I really don't care if I'm called a gamer or not, it's the generic term that's been around since the 80's. I'm not so autistic to think I'm above being called it because I play dark souls and unreal 2k4.
Besides I thought it was cool to be a gamer after GG when s retina said the term "gamer" was dead. What happened to that you contrarians?
>>318748232 The janitor there is notorious for being extremely biased. We've had threads that broke the 1999 violation stay up for weeks while tons of on topic threads get wiped out solely because someone said something the janitor didn't like, that and the combination of mods forgetting the place exists can create some really annoying moments.
>>318745047 >ITT: Shit that makes you ashamed of being put in the same category as "gamers". I have 2.
1 - Collectivists who think that they can blame me for what other people do. Might as well notice that both Hitler and I had eyebrows, therefore we must have a lot in common. Wow, both me and this other guy play video games, that must mean we're pretty much the same thing, great job raci- er, I mean collectivism.
2 - Both people who reject the term "gamer", and people who worship the word. If someone calls themselves a "gamer" that is simply their way of saying they play video games. So fucking what. It's not necessarily a "label", it is just one of the many ways of saying that you play video games. And to some people, they're content to "label" themselves, if it means saying "I'm a gamer" instead of saying "I play video games". That's just their way of saying it, so what. But then you also have people who say you have to apply the label to yourself if you play video games, which is really fucking gay. You don't even have to consider yourself a human being if you don't want to. You'd think all the feminists and SJWs would support gamers not identifying as gamers, when they support men calling themselves women and vice versa.
>>318746210 But everyone that does anything on Facebook is retarded. Look up "thin blue line" artwork or "Uncle Sam's Misguided Children". I'm sure you could find an edgy housewife cooking group on Facebook with retarded artwork.
>>318748830 >NOT JUST A COMMON HOUSEWIFE >I AM A MASTERCHEF >A GLADIATOR OF THE KITCHEN. >I FRIED THE ONIONS WITH A BLOODLUST FERVOR. >I'VE USED KNIVES IN WAYS YOU COULDN'T IMAGINE >I CAN CONCOCT ANY FLAVOR IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE >I AM MASTERCHEF
Gamergate did it kind of. I just couldn't see how people were so angry about transparency in fucking video game journalism. Video. Game. Journalism.
And then all the extra shit happened and it's gone down hill ever since. Now whenever there's a game that has something that falls under the loose category of meme or sjw you can't talk about it without out obnoxious fuckwits spewing inane shit over and over again.
People always post shit like >/v/ But it's never been this bad.
Almost everything is cringeworthy. Shirts, references irl, e-celebs, gamers identifying as such anywhere, shoving it in peoples' faces in social networks, memes outside of their communities, "gaming journalism", youtube reviewers, fanboys etc.
Anything that isn't just sitting down and playing the game, shitposting anonymously and metagaming to improve your game.
>>318750249 >I just couldn't see how people were so angry about transparency in fucking video game journalism. Video. Game. Journalism. Maybe because the media coverage of one's hobby, particularly the media specifically catering to that hobby, may in fact be of some importance to them?
>>318750965 >Yeah...but it's just books >Yeah...but it's just music >Yeah...but it's just cars Et cetera.
If that's your attitude, maybe this is the wrong hobby for you.
It shouldn't even matter what sort of journalism it is. All journalism should be held to a universal standard. Saying "yeah well it's video games so who gives a shit" is incredibly arbitrary and has no real basis in any logic. Journalism is journalism.
Basically the two most insipid communities dedicated to the medium that contribute literally nothing positive. Memes, hiveminding, hypocracy, bigotry, armchair faux intellectualism, cynicism, creative bankruptcy, etc. An overwhelming majority of posts/threads are pure cringe and represent the absolute worst of video gaming and "gamers".
>>318751137 >If that's your attitude, maybe this is the wrong hobby for you. What do you even mean? My inability to care if the journalism for a luxury item is honest removes me from the list of people to enjoy it?
>>318751338 People have complained about shit like paid-off reviews for years if not decades, the Quinnspiracy thing was just the straw that broke the camel's back, and something visible enough to provide leverage to prove what everyone already knew.
To solve the problem that led to Five Guys is to solve the problem that led to MGSV's review bootcamp. They are the same problem and cannot exist independently.
The revision of ethics guidelines and the enforcement of full disclosure in coverage goes a long way to solve the entire issue.
>>318751508 Your inability to see why anyone WOULD care.
If you don't care, whatever. You do you.
How you could honestly say "I don't get it, it's just video games guys :^)" is nothing less than absurd if you actually like video games.
I for one don't appreciate it when the press for my favorite hobby orchestrates an organized assault of articles asserting the death of their own readership.
I don't like when a journalist gives positive coverage to a game that their roommate made. I don't like when review records for a certain person or site are so incongruous that it becomes clear there is some sort of foul play.
It's all a bunch of bullshit and I'd like for my favorite thing to get the same journalistic respect that everyone else's favorite things get.
>>318745047 >>318746210 we need all the self-proclaimed "gamers" we can get after gg. by we I mean consumer advocates in video games. publishers and distributors are easily frightened by angry moms and feminazis, and developers in the west are already under the politically correct boot heel of the regressive left. the word "gamer" is used in identity politics as a derogatory by people who want to change and disparage the video game industry. if that doesn't concern you then you're a filthy casual
>>318749886 >be 10 years old >join a role-playing forum (this shit was popular at the time, basically D&D style with a game master and dice rolls etc..) >taking place in the Star Wars universe >name myself "Darth Revan" >do all kind of stupid shit all the time with realizing it, like throwing my lightsaber into lava to stop the flow when I was trapped >people laughing at me so much that a sub-forum dedicated to me was created, where people would just mock my actions >one guy tries to defend me and is ultimately banned from the forum >decide it's my time to go, plan my escape from the game world to be an epic moment >instead die in my own spaceship because I opened the airlock mid-hyperspace I would pay actual money to find an archive of that forum, but it was a really small community so it's probably lost deep in the internet now.
>>318751835 >I don't like when a journalist gives positive coverage to a game that their roommate made. Since when does anyone look at reviews for indie shit?
Why does anyone still care about fucking reviews? You can now return everything on Steam if you've played it for less than 2 hours. YouTube and Twitch are swarming with Let's Plays and live video of every single new game.
Why would you ever read about a game instead of trying it or watching gameplay of it? Nobody gives a shit about gaming journalism because game reviews are useless as shit.
When's the last time you watched the news on TV rather than read about an event from a dozen independent online articles using the same firsthand smart phone footage that the big networks use?
Journalism is done, man. It doesn't need to be pure, it hasn't been pure since the digital age began and news stations had to fight for relevancy. If any journalist stuck with the cold hard facts, they'd be out of a job because the rest of the world saw it an hour after it happened. It's all sensationalist bullshit now. You're your own journalist, be as pure as you want.
The most a video game journalist has done in the past 5 years is blow the lid of a new sequel for absolutely no reason or benefit.
>>318753423 >Journalism is done, man. Look, you aren't getting it.
I do NOT CARE if there are better ways to get information. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT.
If you're going to be a journalist and do journalism, then you have to do it right. No matter what your subject matter is, no matter your platform, you have to be a fucking journalist.
The fact that GamerGate even happened in the first place should tell you how much this means to people, how important it is that the press do their job the way they're supposed to. Why is that not enough for you?
Just because there are other ways to get information, suddenly it's inconsequential how a journalist conducts himself? You know that sites like Kotaku and IGN are getting millions of unique pageviews every month, right? They still have influence. They still have relevancy.
And again, even if they didn't, even if Kotaku's peak traffic for all of 2015 was 5,000 people, they still have an obligation as journalists to conduct themselves in an ethical manner. Because that's their fucking job.
>>318754030 I get it. While it exists it should be ethical.
But it's impossible. In a perfect world journalists would accept poverty to remain steadfast in the face of bias, but that doesn't happen anymore. Even journalists need to eat, and eating means pageviews. Pageviews mean clickbait.
>the fact that gamergate even happened should tell you how much this means to people The fact that it's now a laughingstock of an event should tell you how much it doesn't. People wanted to make fun of a girl who supposedly slept with some guys to get good reviews on her bullshit indie game. And now mentioning GamerGate is the quickest way to kill any credibility.
It'd be nice if a journalist conducted themselves correctly. It would be, and that's the way it should be. But take Twitch as an example- Halo 5, Overwatch, Rainbow Six Siege- they were given to top streamers to play and show off. You know why? Because someone who plays video games in front of tens of thousands for a living will offer a much better review than a journalist who needs to pay off their student loans.
You see what I'm saying? A journalist should be an ethical light in darkness. But they can't be that and do their job, because they don't actually offer anything new.
IGN may get millions of unique pageviews, but do you really think anyone buying the new CoD or Assassin's Creed made sure IGN rated it well before buying it? No, they went to YouTube to look at gameplay. IF that.
>>318755037 Do you really think anyone cared enough about GamerGate to pull some counter intelligence bullshit?
GamerGate wasn't a big event. It didn't tear down any walls, it didn't reveal any huge corruption. Who the FUCK cared about Kotaku's review of Depression Quest? It's ridiculous. And comparing it to Watergate? A fucking Kotaku writer getting some heat from Twitter compared to the goddamned POTUS being outed as corrupt? It was laughable the second someone coined the term.
>>318755294 >Do you really think anyone cared enough about GamerGate to pull some counter intelligence bullshit? >it didn't reveal any huge corruption I see you didn't really follow it when it was happening.
It was a big event. We're still talking about it, aren't we?
GG uncovered a clusterfucked web of collusion across the entire mainstream gaming press. The GamesJournosPro email list, where conversations organizing certain narratives across multiple websites took place, wherein some people were silenced in secret for dissenting opinions, having their jobs threatened. Nepotism as far as the eye could see, journalists funding devs funding journalists who were judging their games for awards funded by journalists who were friends with devs. It's a fucking mess and it reeks to high hell.
It was really quite something, and it becomes glaringly obvious why the press released like 12 "gamers are dead" articles within 24 hours of each other. They wanted to nip it in the bud because they knew they'd been found out. This is in addition to rampant censorship of discussion on their own sites, NeoGAF, some other forums, Reddit and even right here on 4chan.
Why else would they bother? If it were just about Zoe Quinn, it would have been over in about a week. Let the memers meme, muh five guys, everyone has a good laugh.
But it was just the tip of the iceberg and nobody had even really bothered to cover their tracks to anyone who dug even a little bit started uncovering things.
>>318745047 being a gamer or considering yourself a gamer is just embarrassed and autism. people in general think gamers are creepy nerds, whereas some gamers start believing "being nerds are cool today" . I see "plebs" are still right. fuck gamers.
>>318755930 >GG uncovered a clusterfucked web of collusion across the entire mainstream gaming press. No it didn't. It found out a bunch of industry figures were friends and sometimes talk to eachother.
>The GamesJournosPro email list [...] for dissenting opinions, having their jobs threatened.
Not a single email found from that indicated anyone had their jobs threatened, and there is literally nothing wrong with a bunch of likeminded individuals having an email list. The practice is as old as the internet itself is.
>Nepotism as far as the eye could see [...] It's a fucking mess and it reeks to high hell.
That didn't happen either, they just found out a bunch of journalists were writing shit about games they'd kickstarted, promoing friends who were running one, or otherwise.
At best one or two fringe incidences were uncovered.
>It was really quite something, and it becomes glaringly obvious why the press released like 12 "gamers are dead" articles within 24 hours of each other. They wanted to nip it in the bud because they knew they'd been found out.
You mean a bunch of articles all came out covering a particular news topic within a relatively short timeframe? Oh, the horror!
Also lmao at you niggers still calling those articles the 'gamers are dead' series when literally only one of them said that and it was all about how the hobby had grown too big to for ''gamer'' to be considered a singular, unified identity and now it could apply to virtually anyone.
>This is in addition to rampant censorship of discussion on their own sites, NeoGAF, some other forums, Reddit and even right here on 4chan.
So moderators doing their job by clearing up shitposting and conspiracy theorist nonsense and harassment and doxxing is a problem now?
>Why else would they bother?
Because you fuckers are annoying.
>But it was just the tip of [...] a little bit started uncovering things.
Why do "gamers" have to be loud, autistic and constantly talk about game-y aspects like if you don't play all the biggest triple a games, you're not a real "gamer" or if you can't get a high k-d in a shooter, you're not a real "gamer". What cringes ME the most is the entry-level lcd triple a gamer that can't see past games from a consumer-level. and yet you get these child mentality-having fuckwits trying to hoist their hobby as a fucking art. The sheer amount of dumb bottom-barrell plebby, capeshit-watching, consumer-grade comments I find on articles from sites like ign or on youtube are so dumbfounding it's incredible. I'm sorry, but I'm a film guy foremost, and that pic comparing hobby intelligence cracks me up because even if it's shitposting fuel, there's so much merit to it. For example, you have "gamers" trying to defend their hobby as art, but they know absolutely nothing ABOUT genuine art nor do they boast the sophistication to even critique art. They're a bunch of entitled self-righteous babies. Did you SEE all the hateful comments against The Last Guardian, one of the last bastions of hope for artistry in a dying medium, at E3?? People saying things like "this looks boring", "what do you do", "who wants to play a game about a rat-chicken-dog thing", "this is what they spent years working on?" Yet they'll go gaga over action rubbish like uncharted, halo, or horizon simply because they see guns and action. These are the types of people they criticize some of the best games ever like Journey and The Talos Principle and bunch them together with pretentious, dull, monotonous walking sims like Dear Esther and Everyone Goes to the Rapture then proceed to call these games bargain bin indie trash. It's as if these people don't know the definition of art, but want to claim their hobby is in vain of getting mass critical acceptance or to defend its legitimacy. Overall, more "gamers" should be like this man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II2VHj9cWOU
Anyone shallow enough to feel that they have to identify themselves through a single hobby that they do needs to kill themselves and stop wasting the resources which could be used to help more worthy people.
It's not just "gamers" but stoners who don't shut the fuck up about weed, faggots who don't shut the fuck up about being a faggot, Trannies and their non stop bitching etc.
>>318750249 They were trying to change the market. They were working together to set up a blockade on anything they didn't like and they were practically inserting themselves into game companies requiring them to adhere to weird moral standards. The only people game companies could hear were their outraged fans and it was sort of like actual customers didn't even exist to them.
Or more accurately they were being paid to do this by a large organization connected to DARPA and Microsoft. Almost every major social justice "pundit" was in some way connected. It seemed to a lot of people that they were becoming popular because /v/ disagreed with them and got angry, but the reality is that they were actually all working under the same organization and intentionally rose certain people to celebrity status so that they could have a megaphone for their political positions.
>>318756432 It's a marketing tactic. "Us gamers, right?" lends credibility to marketers they wouldn't otherwise have. It's an incredibly hamfisted method and it really is as cringey to everyone else as it appears to you. The only people who are even slightly affected are casual players and vulnerable young kids who don't really pay close enough attention to see the discrepancy between the audience according to marketing and the audience according to reality. This method reaches very few if any actual fanatics and all it really does is misrepresent and upset them.
It's just stupid and marketers don't really know what people want, don't read into it too much.
>Did you SEE all the hateful comments against The Last Guardian, one of the last bastions of hope for artistry in a dying medium, at E3??
Even as someone who loves SotC, and has waited for The Last Guardian for years, I have to say that the E3 demo did look kind of dull. I really wonder if the gameplay in the final product will look a bit more compelling. I feel like this guy is sort-of insinuating that just because SotC is one of the games that might be closest to being considered "art", Team ICO gets a free 'It's art' pass on every other one of their games. We'll see how The Last Guardian turns out, but from what I've seen so far it's got a long way to go
>These are the types of people they criticize some of the best games ever like Journey and The Talos Principle and bunch them together with pretentious, dull, monotonous walking sims...
Why does everyone and their mother seem to give Talos Principle a free pass? This was a game where some guys from Croteam cobbled together a pretty barebones ( but pretty looking ) puzzlegame, and hired a guy after the game was already done to slap a narrative on it. Is it a good narrative? Yeah, sure, but I certainly wouldn't praise the game so much. If anything, if you're trying to make a game that MIGHT be considered "art" surely the gameplay should be heavily intertwined with the theme / story. Take a look at any Ice Pick Lodge games, for example. The Void is a great example of conveying the theme's feeling through gameplay.
That the modern gamer just throws all their disposable income at people playing videogames makking them rich and being professional pathetic dick suckers and funding shit games a ridiculous prices on kikestarter's And making series like assassin's creed and bioware trash successful And contribute to the ruining of old good franchises like Tomb Raider
>>318757252 For the Last Guardian rebuttal, I walked away fairly impressed by what I saw. If you peer into the details of ow the demo played out, the entire sequence is performed contextually with no hud or interfering game-y elements. Yeah the whole seemingly scripted uncharted jump and then whoops collapsing platform thing was a little forced, but as the demo progressed and you witness the symbiotic co-dependent relationship between these two bloom in front of you, I forgive some of the flaws I saw such as in graphics.
One key moment I really liked was when the dog reacts to the shadowy demonic statue and you have to infer what to do to it in order to calm him down. Overall, I'm know TeamIco is trying to go for naturalism and really trying to perfect the balance of art and game into one cohesive package, and that overall is what I believe they've been toiling to do all these years and not focus on graphics or multipayer or other triple a game-y bullshit.
But regardless, I want to support their endeavors because this is a breakthrough watershed moment for games as a medium akin to film during the era of director-led passion projects in Hollywood when directors toiled and spent years overbudgeting their artistic works to achieve the next level of their vision and push the medium forward regardless of critical appraisal or consumer-pandering. And Sony is fostering this growth for TeamIco interestingly enough.
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