How do you feel about the new, canon look of the classic Deus Ex characters?
>>318741816
Feel good.
They look great!
>>318741816
'Scool
![Tomb-Raider-IV-Young-Lara-1999[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PdBiYPG.jpg "Tomb-Raider-IV-Young-Lara-1999[1].jpg")
Character design wasnt the strongest point of original Deus Ex so its cool
MISTAH JC DENTON IN DA FRESH
>>318741816
The designs on the right look straight out of a SMT game.
I hope they die in a fire along with their shitty fans.
>>318741816
Cool, i love borderlands artstyle.
>>318741816
Can't improve on perfection
>>318741816
Looks like they went full HDTP on Walton Simons.
>>318741816
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxi7JRJrod4
>>318741816
Laputan Machine looks derpy
Bob Page looks way too young.
Walton Simons looks terrible.
JC looks too much like a movie star.
>>318743606
That's supposed to be 2027 Bob Page.
>>318741816
Why are they all Asian now?
>>318743606
He was always derpy. Also seems like they just traced this very pic >>318743481
to get Simons look.
>>318743567
>U-UNATCO?
>Savage.
Every time.
>>318743002
Helios ending is Law
Illuminati ending is Neutal
Dark Age ending is Chaos
They look bretty gud.
The old designs weren't exactly a selling point for the original game, so changing them isn't a problem.
>>318743986
Paul... UNATCO hurt my weenie.
They look the same as they always have.
>>318744274
I wouldn't say they changed the designs. It's more like what the designs would look like on actual humans.
I see no problems, you'd have to nitpick pretty deep to find anything legitimate to complain about.
It sure makes me wish that Eidos would show the same respect to that other highly respected series that began on the PC around the same time that they have the rights to.
>>318744669
TAFF YOU
>>318744512
That just means they did an awsome job.
Why contain it?...
...S'cool.
>>318744512
Sometimes this is a good thing, anon.
>>318741816
what gives? They look the same as they used to.
>>318744759
Oh yeah, I wasn't complaining. I was under the impression that OP thought they were different.
>>318744776
Truth.
They don't bother me.
Who /Aqualung/ here?
>make super sleek robot arms
>now have to explain why Herman and Navara look like shit
wew lads. Gonna be a hell of a lore rape coming in. (as if it wasn't raped enough as is)
>>318741816
JC looks handsome. They managed to make his retarded hairstyle look less retarded.
Lemon-lime man is Batou now.
>>318744909
it plays on the radio sometimes after work, i dont really hear the song that often
>>318744959
Is that really fucking JC? How long before Deus Ex does this take place? Because in the first game he's like 21 and before that he'd either be some random ass non UNATCO cadet or in school. He'd had to be like a teenager.
>>318745082
It is his original DX look. He doesn't make appearance in DXHR nor Mankind Divided (as far as we know).
OP pic is from anniversary video.
>>318744797
>>318744512
Yeah, nah.
>>318745229
Which was actually a Mankind Divided trailer.
>>318745320
>different hairstyle
The overall look is still the same, the entire iconic look is what counts.
Snake from MGS changed drastically but even then I wouldn't consider his "original" look the best.
>>318744926
Some of the augs in MD look janky as fuck. I think they'll have an explanation.
>>318745190
>if he says UNATCO one more fucking time...
>>318745320
He wears designer sunglasses instead of $2 Chinese shop shades.
I thought HR was weak, it didn't hold a candle to the original and I very much doubt the next instalment will be any good. Anyone else with me?
>>318741816
Ion Storm is dead, so there's no such thing as new canon in Deus Ex, anyway.
>>318745432
The problem is no explanation will justify going from elaborate arm tech that has explosives in it to clunky arms.
They really should have kept the aesthetics basic and justified military grade stuff with real augmentation to the body and weaponry to be the more unsightly stuff as it'd value function over form, compared to just a basic arm replacement)
Then again I've been spiteful since invisible war and could probably write a 3000 word essay on why human revolution sucks. Everything about it annoys me. It's death by a thousand cuts.
>>318745320
Would look better with the glowing eyes behind the sunglasses
>>318745546
Nah.
HR was a blast. Sure it's not DX, it's heavily casualized, but compare it to the rest of the games these days and it will look fucking good.
Soundtrack was GOAT and atmosphere were great.
I find difficult to believe they'll fuck up with Mankind Divided, this time they actually have money and time since Square believe in the franchise.
It's a difference of art style. The design is the same. It's not like they suddenly put everyone in cute skirts.
>>318745602
>there's no new Fallout canon
>there's no new Star Wars canon
>there's no new Saints Row canon
>there's no new Doctor Who canon
sure anon
>>318745756
>compare it to the rest of the games these days and it will look fucking good.
well yeah when given the choice between dog food and dog shit I'd rather eat the dog food. I still won't enjoy it.
>>318745756
I respectfully disagree
>>318746510
Never play a post-2005 game then
>>318745546
I liked HR better than the original. I really do think the world of that game. It was a delicious ray of sunshine in the truly abysmal sea of shit which is modern videogames.
Then again my first Deus Ex was Invisible Waron the Xboxand I thought the only really shitty thing about it was how bad the weapons felt and universal ammo
>>318746792
>post 05 games are all shit
I like this meme
>>318746875
they aren't, Human Revolution is an example and Mankind Divided will be another one
>>318745915
That's completely correct, yes. There isn't.
>>318746875
Most of them are. Almost all of them are. All of them are, with literally a handful of exceptions.
Fuck videogames.
MAH NIGGA JC LOOKIN FRESH AND ABOUT TO FUCK ALL DEM HOES. DID YOU KNOW THAT ANON FROM FOUR CHAN's /V/ BOARD WAS BASED OFF OF JC DENTON?
>>318746967
Must be a nightmare living in your fantasy world while the rest of the actual world moves on
>>318747093
>/V/
>>318747187
i think he was trying memeing, but I can't tell what did he mean
>>318747185
His world actually sounds a lot better than our world, I'd like to join him. In fact I think I will join him.
>>318747185
Garbage post. Shakespeare doesn't have new canon, Dune doesn't have new canon, Metal Gear and Deus Ex neither. These games are glorified fanfiction, be they good or bad.
>>318745915
>implying saints row had a decent story canon
>>318747342
Too bad they do have a new canon, except Dune and Shakespeare.
>>318747419
Sure, anon.
>>318747543
I know, it's hard to accept. Kyle Katarn never existed. He will keep existing in our heart.
>>318747653
Kyle Katarn was never canon, either.
>>318747760
Starkiller was.
And then they deleted him from the canon.
We're 100% black.
>>318747884
Not really. Lucas added Starkiller to his canon, he left, and then JJ Abrams was brought in to create new movies, which are fanfiction.
>>318748214
Actually Lucas removed Starkiller himself because of the Clone Wars tv series.
>>318741816
as far as i'm concerned, weird albino JC is the only canon
>>318741816
He doesn't look like low poly Steven Seagal anymore so that's neat.
>>318747093
>>318748520
what do you have against low poly seagal m8
>>318741816
Wait wait why the fuck is Tong part of the Illuminati? I don't remember him having any connection.
>>318741816
JC should be a little more gaunt but over all I think it's quite good.
>>318748214
>which are fanfiction.
Nope. Rights holders determine canon.
Fact that can't be argued.
>>318749579
Shut up, you'll trigger him.
>>318744669
Was it the same people who did DXHR? Cause if it was I'm really disappointed in them. I always thought it was some B team.
JC looked pretty lame in the original deus ex, but that was part of the charm. He was like a really competent goofball.
>>318745082
HR is 2027 DX is 2052.
JC is born in 2029.
>>318749579
Nah, the original creator determines canon. It's impossible to argue those shitty Dune books by Brian Herbert or James Bond novels by Anthony Horowitz should be considered legitimate extensions of their respective universes. They don't apply whether some suit says so or not, they're just fanfics.
>>318745546
I couldn't play covermechanics revolution past the first few levels.
>>318750208
>wahh muh headcanon
That's your post. They're canon whether you like it or not, your favorite stories are ruined. Deal with it.
>>318748495
This is correct, albino JC true JC
>>318750265
It's simple and widely accepted literary theory, m8.
>>318750369
Nope :^).
is his vision augmented or is his glasses augmented?
why does he wear the glasses?
>>318750256
What a gay
>>318750208
also a gay
>>318750391
Yup. :>D
>>318750417
>my vision is augmented
The glasses are so he can watch you weave and breathe your story lines. And to hide the way his augs glow.
>>318750417
I think an e-mail in the game said something about him using sunglasses to hide his albino eyes.
>>318750424
I really wanted it to be good. It's just not.
>>318750369
>theory
Indeed, it's your headcanon-esque theory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js02m-7qHyE
>>318750640
>didn't even finish it
>I-it's not good!
There's a reason if most of the people that tried the first Deus Ex without finishing it stopped playing on first level or chinatown.
It's slow, has boring parts and player isn't hooked. But finish it and it's a fucking good experience.
You're just like those who never finished the first game, congrats.
>>318745320
>not a single version of JC looks like he's 23
Also when did he look like the fucking Terminator?
>>318750265
They're fanfiction, he's right. Anything not by the original author is LITERALLY fanfiction.
>>318750937
I can't, I'm allergic to cover mechanics.
>>318751535
then play without cover you... you... double unatco
>>318751535
Don't use covers then spermlord
>>318751089
>not a single version of JC looks like he's 23
This always bothered me, even in the first deus ex he looked like steven seagal nearing his forties.
Nanomachines makes you age badly.
>>318746845
Jesus Christ Denton
>>318750937
>it gets good after X part!
kill yurself
eating shit is wonderful after you eat a few different ones . try it!
>>318751516
Firstly, the original author is fully capable of creating fan fiction to his own franchise; he just needs to declare it non-canonical and never acknowledge it in the canon.
Secondly, the original author is fully capable of declaring the work of others as canon and including their lore in his own creations.
The canonical status has nothing to do with who wrote it, only who has power over the franchise, which by definition is the copyright-holder.
>>318752293
>it gets good after X part!
You just described the first deus ex
>>318749172
>gaunt
Come on, he was short and stocky in DX
>>318752221
>paul and jesus christ
>>318751089
>>318752119
He's a man, not like you femine faggots
>>318752307
Anon, not even you believe that nonsense. You're being a strange contrarian. I'll just restate it because there's no point getting into it, it's self-evidently true: anything not written by the original author is literaly (literally) [spoilers]literally[/spoilers] fanfiction.
>>318752689
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_lapidem
>>318741816
Savage looks tired.
>>318741816
Looks fucking great. This is how I remembered the characters looking - comparing them to the old ones? Well, Denton now has proper sunglasses instead of 2 dollar Walmart Matrix sunglasses.
>>318741816
My feelings are augmented.
>>318753051
You can break out all the wikipedia (hue) links you want, you're being silly and you know it.
>>318752608
men in their twenties usually don't have any wrinkles on their face.
>>318753057
taking over the world is pretty tiring
I'm okay to be honest, mostly because deus ex characters are so low fidelity they could be anything.
>>318751704
That like saying to someone that doesn't like Super Mario because of the running to play the game without using it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJUsOP0T1o
>>318752689
>You're being a strange contrarian.
Not him, but it's literally how it works.
YOU are the one being the contrarian, are you actually unable to realize it just because you're surrounded by a bunch of fanboys with a beloved headcanon?
>>318754124
I never liked running in Super Mario
So, I never used the ability of running in New Super Mario Bros
And I liked the game
Bad example kek
>>318752307
>The canonical status has nothing to do with who wrote it, only who has power over the franchise, which by definition is the copyright-holder.
This is a very US-centric view (slight differences between th ecopyright model and the Author right model). And probably part of the reason why a lot of us euros never really "get" th US comic book industry.
>>318755472
That's nice. That's (willfully?) missing the point though.
Not to mention changing the game makes your whole answer moot. That's not the game I used as my example.
>>318755681
>This is a very US-centric view
It's the same here desu
>And probably part of the reason why a lot of us euros never really "get" th US comic book industry
marvel comics are more popular than ever in my country right now
what are you talking about
>>318755794
I can say the same about the GBC port of the first supermario
>>318756116
>It's the same here
Not exactly, the moral rights are inalienable from the original recognized author, who then has the final say in canon.
>marvel comics are more popular than ever in my country right now
Which disproves a lot of people don't "get" the US comic book industry and its model how?
>>318752689
>not even (you) believe that nonsense
>>318753241
> (you)'re being silly and (you)know it
Just because you want to dictate what's canon and what's not based on how you feel doesn't make it so.
Copywrite holders make things canon because it's objective. Anything else is subjective.
>>318756463
>>318755202
>>318753051
Are you people taking crazy pills or what?
>>318756179
And you'd be bullshitting, some jumps you can't make without running in original Super Mario .Unless the port changed the level-design, by which point, again, your counter example is moot,
>>318741816
they did a good job considering Deus Ex characters look like fucking ass in the game
>>318755681
I'm actually European. Normally I have no preferences between the intellectual property models, but in situation when there are many people working on the same creation; many writers, many graphic artists etc. and sometimes they come in and move away, the copyright model is the only one that makes sense. Who's the "author" of Mass Effect? Drew Karpyshyn wrote the story to Mass Effect, co-wrote Mass Effect 2 but didn't participate in Mass Effect 3. Does that mean the events of ME3 are non-canonical? Or maybe it depends on the producer? What if every single person was different but it was published by the same company? Would Mass Effect 3 be canonical then or would it be fan-fiction?
>>318756556
>And you'd be bullshitting
No I'm not, I finished it on 3DS last year and I literally still don't know how to run.
>by which point, again, your counter example is moot
Same can be said about your point, since you can actually finish Human Revolution without ever take cover.
>>318756401
>moral rights
no such thing exists, anon-kun
>>318756708
You just answered part of why there was originally such a push to the director model in movies. And hy it came from Europe. Different model altogether in their pre-assumptions.
As for the the "the copyright model is the only one that makes sense", no, shared authorship cold also be a thing, but it just disadvantages companies too much in the favor of actual workers. Who would want that ?
>>318756551
Amazing.
You aren't even rusing us, you are just uncapable of realizing you can be wrong.
I have no words
>>318756761
But then, again, that was not my point.
Yours is invalidated by the change of example, mine hasn't been touched upon.
>>318741816
I love the bionicman.
>>318757092
>As for the the "the copyright model is the only one that makes sense"
It's not, it's just the only one that actually applies in this world.
>>318752689
It will be considered fanfiction only after the rights to the works enter the public space. After that everything can be considered fanfiction, unless original author steps in. In most cases he's already dead though. Until then canon is determined by copyright holder. If copyright holder is not the original author, then he has a made a deal with copyright holder, recognizes and accepts them as a party that can do whatever the fuck they want with his creation. Therefore if original author creates a work, but not recognized by copyright holder, it's can be considered a fanfiction at the very least, or a future court case at most.
>>318741816
Nothing wrong with that. In fact I'm impressed. The only one they fucked up was Simons.
>>318756849
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights
Search engines, such an incredible invention.
>>318752293
I'm with you usually. I hate it when people say "it gets good after X" because it's never ever worth it to me. But Deus Ex is an exception. Not only does it get good, once you understand the mechanicsyou can play through again a bunch of different ways. It gives you freedom of choice without resorting to the open world meme, because it wasnt around back then
>>318741816
JC looks fucking cool.
>>318741816
They look cool.
>>318757186
So your point is... you can't play Human Revolution because it has a cover system, and playing without using it would be like playing Super Mario without running, except you can actually play Super Mario without running, just like you can play Human Revolution without ever using the cover system.
10/10 anon
just 10/10
How do we know this is canon? Where was it posted?
>>318745320
>Which was actually a Mankind Divided trailer
Link pretty please?
>>318757549
I never understood why people think the first mission in Deus Ex is bad. I replayed the demo dozens of times and was extremely hyped for the full version. Yeah, it's slow-paced, but the entire game is about slow and thoughtful approach to problems.
>>318757712
>>318757809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_40BvIHrgY
>>318757712
Because someone on 4chan said it was
>>318746845
>Then again my first Deus Ex was Invisible War
I'm so sorry anon.
>>318757297
This post is the dumbest thing I've read this month but not this year.
>>318757882
Don't be. The fact that it was my first meant I got to enjoy it instead of being bitterly disappointed like fans of the series were.
>>318757837
Looks like they'll go back to international secret plots instead of muh augmentations
noice
>>318757607
a) You can't play Super Mario without ever running. Which is unrelated to:
b) Even if you could, the game as seen designed so that you would. If you chose to ignore it, that's nice and all, but that just should make for an in inferior experience. And if i doesn't, the game has been poorly designed. And I don't pay a game to do the designer's job in their place.
Either the game has been designed for you to use the *base* options it gives you, and if you don't it doesn't play well, or it hasn't and then there poor adequacy between game and level design.
>>318750256
>he got in a firefight outside of bosses
>needed to use cover on bosses
this is full casual even on /v/ standards
>>318757827
It can be a rough introduction for new players if they go in expecting it to play like a shooter. Anyone who actually knows how to play the game should be able to recognize its quality, though.
>>318750417
>why does he wear the glasses?
To checkout those unreal engine 1 butts he's going to prod.
>>318754124
not even close, cover mechanic is irrilevant on the whole game, you can easily clear the game without using it once
>>318758375
First action of every Deus Ex player: shooting Corporal Collins and getting mowed down by the security bot.
>>318758138
>but that just should make for an in inferior experience
Nope, you're just adding difficulty.
Making the game much more like your beloved DX.
>the game has been poorly designed
Nope, it's just designed so everybody can play it the fucking way he wants.
You know, the core element of Deus Ex.
Still 10/10 because you look like you actually believe what you're saying
>>318758371
>le noscope gamerpro
If you don't use cover on bosses you're literally playing the game wrong.
>>318758102
>Adam joins an anti terrorism task force at the beginning of the game
>but he's investigating because he thinks there can be a conspiracy
>he thinks the organization can be controlled by the Illuminati
They're literally re-using the premises of the first game
>>318758785
Except there's no Malik for you to fall in love with, just some black power dyke (who used to be white in the last game she appeared in) so it definitely won't be as good.
>>318758596
>Making the game much more like your beloved DX.
a) When as DX ever been about difficulty ?
b) Adding difficulty isn't all that you're doing in that process. You're changing the base game design.
If you make a valid goal in soccer can only be scored though a head shot, have you made the game more difficult, or have you changed the game on a fundamental level ?
>Nope, it's just designed so everybody can play it the fucking way he wants.
Which in my opinion, is generally poor design (there are a few exception, but generally I do think it is) and it has plagued modern design.
We may not agree. Call me when they make a 4X that playable by everyone just the way they wants, we'll see how it compares to other games in the genre.
>>318758596
>Making the game much more like your beloved DX.
The AI in HR is designed around the cover mechanic. In DX, enemies have a reaction time, and if you hide quick enough they'll dismiss you as a homeless person or something. In HR, they go into full alert immediately, because if they acted like they do in DX, the game would be too easy when using magic 3rd person mode.
Enemy LOS calculation is also more forgiving when in cover in HR. They can see you if you're just crouched behind low cover when they're close enough to see over it, but in cover they're much more oblivious.
>>318759048
why are you still replying, you were fundamentally wrong since the beginning because you are convinced somehow using cover is mandatory in HR and refusing to do it prevents you from playing (it's not, try to play the game you'll be surprised seening how wrong you are)
>>318759048
Sounds like you have a much greater problem with the series other than cover.
>>318759341
I'm not the one "refusing to play", I'm another
anon.
I just don't agree with the argument that was being presented.
>>318759284
>In HR, they go into full alert immediately
but that's wrong, they have faster reaction but still plenty of time to headshot/takedown them before alarm goes up
you can play all the game sprinting up to people mashing q and you'll never sound the alarm once
>>318759502
I have my issues with every game in the series yes, I also commend each of them for what it - probably in some parts inadvertently - managed to achieve.
To me DX worked because of the way it mixed systemic, emergent gameplay with pre-scripted events at such a level of granularity that it managed to give a certain illusion of both agency and reactivity of the world to that agency that was far bigger than what was actually on offer – even if it was for a good part smoke & mirrors, really, it felt *alive*.
>>318759048
>a) When as DX ever been about difficulty ?
Always, it's always been used as an example of how difficult, challenging and immersive were games before the whole industry got casualized
>b) You're changing the base game design.
No you're not, the game is designed in a way that let you choose to use or not to use the cover system
>Which in my opinion, is generally poor design
Play the new Call of Duty then
>and it has plagued modern design
Modern design is literally the opposite, forcing you to play a game with a single approach
You still can finish the game without ever using the cover system so you're still wrong
>>318759284
>In HR, they go into full alert immediately
Not true, you have all the time to find spot to hide from them.
It's really not that different; you just crouch instead of take cover.
>>318759806
So you don't like that shit then you like that shit.
OK whatever you say.
>>318741816
Is the VA for JC still alive ?
>>318759859
>it's always been used as an example of how difficult, challenging and immersive were games before the whole industry got casualized
Immersive, more than probably, though I don't like that word. Difficult and challenging ? I call bullshit. No old-school player is going to find DX hard. It wasn't by the standards of its days.
>You still can finish the game without ever using the cover system so you're still wrong
And yet again that was not exactly what was being specifically debated.
>No you're not
And my point is that, yes you are. You may not agree, my example may not be good enough, but it's better than just repeating no every time as an answer, which isn't going to change anyone's mind.
>Play the new Call of Duty then
Why would I? Not my genre. Can't even say whether that particular game is good or bad, I'd never play it.
>Modern design is literally the opposite
Are you trying to tell me open world games, games that "respect your time" games that are by themselves void and let you create your own objectives, games that are made so anyone not normally uninterested in their genre can play them their way - because the base design has been watered down into nothingness - are not more firmly entrenched in modern design sensibilities than in the classics .
>>318759645
I'm not talking about having time to shoot them, I'm talking about seeing what's around a corner to plan my approach. In DX you can peek and hide if someone spots you. They need to actually see you for a moment before they go "It's Denton!" and everyone starts chasing you. In HR if someone spots you, they WILL go into full alert, even if they only saw you for a split second.
>>318760683
Yeah.Gunther's isn't, though.
>still no prod in hr:mkd
>318760103
It's almost as if - and the possibility is going to blow your fucking mind - people could have ambivalent, layered, opinions on things that aren't just "It's awesome/it's shit".
You can appreciate the achievements in a piece of work yet still recognize its problems.
>>318760891
We have EMP bullets and taser arm augmentation instead.
>>318741816
But anon, Mankind Divided isn't in the same canon as Deus Ex 1
>>318741816
He looks a bit skinny for a nano-augmented super soldier.
>>318760057
That wasn't my experience at all when I tried it in HR. In DX, they go "I saw something" to "it's Denton!" When I tried it in the police station they always went straight to the equivalent of "it's Denton!" Was the AI just especially twitchy there or something?
>>318760741
>No old-school player is going to find DX hard.
readingcomprehension.jpg
It's not hard by it's days standards.
It's hard by today's standard.
HR is not hard by today's standards.
It's a bit harder if you never cover.
>And yet again that was not exactly what was being specifically debated
Yes it was
>And my point is that, yes you are.
Anon, it's not a debatable opinion.
You literally aren't changing the game's design by not taking cover.
>Why would I? Not my genre.
Strange, looks like you love games that never let you play the way you want, forcing you into a single style.
>are not more firmly entrenched in modern design sensibilities than in the classics
I'm saying most modern games don't usually let you choose your own approach, not as much as Deus Ex anyways
>>318761235
>he chose the most retarded ending in HR and considers it canon
W/e m8.
>>318749997
>tfw you are as old as JC
K I L L M E N O WWhy did they design him to look like he's at least 30?
>>318761426
No, I think that none of the endings are canon
>>318761235
Anon, Mankind Divided is doing the same shit that Invisible War did back then.
Take some points from all the endings of the previous game and consider a mix of them as canon.
There aren't two canons in Deus Ex, there's only one timeline.
>>318761426
All of the endings were shit. They were all basically the same thing.
>Boy oh boy, it's been a wild ride.
>I may not have all the answers, but I always tried to do what I thought was right.
>Hope the world turns out okay!
>>318761423
>It's hard by today's standard.
It's not hard by today's standards either. Maybe confusing for people not used to the freedom, but that's another issue.
>Yes it was
>Anon, it's not a debatable opinion.
Glad to know that, not only you are the voice of authority about what is debatable or not, you even have the final say in what it is I'm trying to say.
>Strange, looks like you love games that never let you play the way you want, forcing you into a single style.
>I'm saying most modern games don't usually let you choose your own approach, not as much as Deus Ex anyways
There's a profound misunderstanding at work here. I love games that offer you a lot of options. I love games that favor strong systemic design and emergent gameplay.
I don 't like games that give *base* (see how I underlined that word up there?) verbs and rules that aren't a proper fit for the rest of their overall design. I don't like games that throw as much shit as possible at a wall and tell you that you can toy with what sticks however you want. That's poor design.
>>318761426
I laughed too. What a dumbass.
I don't think they can top movie design for JC. It was spot on.
>>318741816
They seem okay. Hard to say without seeing the details on their augmentations and colors. These aren't really detailed enough for us to get a sense for the art style like 3D models would be.
>>318762176
>It's hard by today's standard.
I refuse to believe you're this much deluded.
Looks like you don't play games since years, anon.
>Glad to know that, not only you are the voice of authority about what is debatable or not
I can't decide shit anon, still, you literally don't change game design by not using an optional mechanic
>That's poor design
Make a game with good design then, just stop trying to justify the fact you don't want to play Human Revolution.
>>318762305What aShame they didn't go for 2 glowing eyes
>>318762728
>I can't decide shit anon, still, you literally don't change game design by not using an optional mechanic
The game designed was changed by adding it. It's whether you can ignore it or not, and how, that makes it good or bad design.
>Make a game with good design then
I'll give it a try when you can present an assertion with proper arguments. Won't be holding my breath.
>just stop trying to justify the fact you don't want to play Human Revolution.
You'll probably have to learn to read first though.
>>318761647
>Why did they design him to look like he's at least 30?
That's how all the main characters in every western game looks.
I like how he looks in OP pic, I hope they'll make it right in 3D.
>>318744669
Is the writing of the new Jew Sex games as bastardised as the new Thief game?
>>318741816
They don't look different, just drawn by an artist but maintaining consistency
>>318763493
I hope for a DLC that let you play a few missions as Denton.
>>318757837
>Acknowledging Invisible War
Goddammit
It was almost perfect
>>318766578
Well, it's Microsoft doing this video so of course they do, since IW was made for Xbox.
>Tfw DE:MD is delayed for six months
>august 2016 instead of February
I hope it means a better game.
Or they cut content and have to redo some stuff.
>>318767583
>pushed back to August
>Augmented August
I can't be the only one to spot this
>>318767583
http://www.pcgamer.com/deus-ex-mankind-divided-delayed-to-august-2016/
>>318767757
>it will release exactly five years after the launch of Human Revolution
Where did time go?
>>318742723
Sway
>>318741816
source???
>>318767982
Read the thread
>>318741816
What is the right hand picture from, because those drawings look dodgy.
>First Deus Ex I played was Invisible War at a demo station at Best Buy
>Thought it was shit so I never tried the original until a few years ago
Invisible War has ruined so many lives
>>318741816
>>318741816
>Adrodgynous no facial hair slant head fuckboy look.
Oh for fucks sake.
>>318745415
wasn't snake's original design sylvester stallone instead of kurt russel?
>>318768063
I did and now I am disappointed. That video was shit. What a shame
>>318768415
??
He was made (spoiler if you haven't played Dx1)in a vat, he was artificially conceived as a übermensch
And facial hair serves no purpose.
>>318768727
>And facial hair serves no purpose.
Great temperature insulation in cold climates.
It's all gone Tracer Tong
>>318769098
He got sub dermal augmentations for that.
Isn't Walton Simons a sort of "clone" of JC, that shares the same genes as him anyways? Why does he look any different?
>>318769220
What a waste.
>>318741816
>remembering JC is only 23 years old
>>318745320
Fat Fuck, Punisher, Vampire,..new one looks good.
>>318769719
He's augmented.
>>318770960
They augmented his years too?
Speaking of, I never finished the original Deus Ex.
Should I go with the original or the recent hd rerelease?
>>318745618
Its been 7 hours but whatever, I'm going to reply
The Deus Ex Bible has as its back story that augs are basically treated as second class citizens and widely discriminated against, whilst the Illuminati/MJ12 still doesn't trust them. Furthermore, all surviving augs are basically military or police employees. Its not impossible to think that they simply stopped making good looking and incredibly functional augs after the inevitable restrictive legislation that obviously occurs after HR.
>>318772741
>revision jews
Nope, it's unstable as fuck and even cause fps drop on a 2000's game.
And they screwed everyone who bought Deus Ex before DRMs were a thing.
Original
+
http://www.moddb.com/mods/new-vision
http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-hdtp
Is all you need.
>>318745320
New one is perfect.
>>318749579
>>318750208
>tfw these plebs don't realize canon is just a social construct man
Denton's design was a ripoff from the start.
>>318773260
>even cause fps drop on a 2000's game
To be fair, the engine wasn't designed to process that much detail. Someone was working on a massive overhaul of the renderer, but last I heard he'd disappeared.
>>318774316
>Someone was working on a massive overhaul of the renderer
It's included in the latest HDTP version which came out a month ago.
A Dx10 renderer
http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-hdtp/downloads/hdtp-beta-release-3
>>318774684
Not that one, kentie's renderer's been around for years. What I'm talking about was going to be a major rewrite, not just a port to DX10 with a few extras.
>>318775062
Oh ok.
At this point Edios should make a remaster that fits right after MD. and hope for the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWqng9TnZOY
>>318744669
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1nielWR3Y4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxMf4BdVq_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBPK_oXeJgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FZ-12a3dTI
I hope we'll get some good OST.
>>318777556
>HR's OST was totally forgettable
>same guy doing MD
nah
>>318749887
Thief 4 was a completely different team, although they did use the same studio space.
>>318777656
>forgettable
>Icarus
>That song that plays during the conversation withMeganat the end of the game
>Tai Yong Medical building theme
>FinalAbominationtheme
I would say the sound track was pretty good
>>318756761
Nope. Theres a jump in level 8-1 that cannot be cleared without running. You've outed yourself as a casual that cant beat SMB.
Also, if the optimal strategy is bad the game is bad. It is not my responsibility as a player to do the work of balancing the game mechanics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qNfbx1m4i8
Who's that 4chan guy?
>>318778436
>Icarus
only one I even remember tbqhwy, samey sounding shit from then on
>>318741816
Pretty damn cool, JC looks badass there
>>318741816
Dat jawline, manliness factor just went through the roof
>>318741816
>tfw you will never be augmented
We have the same setting, but without the good things.
>>318780634
I for one welcome transhumanism.
Neural implants need to be mass produced in order to reduce the amount of retards.
>>318778436
The Hive is also pretty banging.
>>318780634
I just want a Hellboy style power fist
>>318757837
>dat "god was a dream of good government" quote from DX1
HNNNNNNNGH
>>318761235
You realise that the Illuminati wasn't just those dude you killed in the Arctic, right? Like that's the point of those intro and post credits scenes and all those email conversations. Eidos is literally doing the only logical thing.
>>318784097
All I need is a neural implant to git gud and that regenerative implant when shit happens.
>>318781203
transhumanism is the only way forward
