Asgore hate thread. Asgore is a cunt and caused pretty much every issue in the game.
>>318713594
Tape 1 in Alphy's lab
more like ass gore amirite?
>>318713594
Go to sleep, Toriel.
HEY LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT HOMESTUCK
>>318713594
Asgore's "worst" quality is that he's acoward. Before the final boss in the True Pacifist route, Toriel doesn't berate Asgore for killing humans, but for taking so long to acquire the souls like the coward he is.
Asgore 'You'll Drop Before Your Balls Do' Dreemurr
>>318713831
At least Undertale is finished.
Its kind of hard to blame him when all of humanity just banded together to hunt down monsters in a massive sneak attack then locked them down underground. Usually shit like this happens in fiction to the stronger race whom the others are afraid of, but humans WERE the stronger race here so they're basically 100% fire nation-tier for that. It's a miracle Asgore didn't set up anti-human policy until after Asriel died, and he would have been even more justified if he knew the first human to fall down there wasn't all that nice either.
>>318713868
It's not just that, he's the catalyst to Flowies creation too. There is literally no problem that cannot somehow be traced back to him. He could have used one human soul and killed 6 shitty humans, murderers or something, rather than wait for 7 poor kids to fall down so he can kill them in cold blood. It's fucked up how no one in the game cares except for Toriel. If it wasn't for her and Papyrus I would feel justified doing a genocide run, after all everyone is trying to kill you. But NOPE, I'm the bad guy.
*Alphys
>>318714159
He still kills 6 kids in cold blood. Those 6 kids were innocent, so he's bad as well.
>>318714369
Alphys is a victim too. Her research was an order from Asgore. Again, every problem can be traced back to him, he doesn't deserve a happy ending, Flowie does.
>>318714484
Flowey all but tainted his happy ending.And by completing a genocide run, you taint yours as well.
>>318714378
>He still kills 6 kids in cold blood
[citation needed]
>Those 6 kids were innocent
[citation needed]
Friendly reminder that all 6 children had weapons and the monsters of the underground fear them and only accept you in most cases because they don't know you're human. The other fallen children almost certainly killed at least one monster each, most likely far more, making Asgore entirely within his right to dispense justice for his people. Even should a child reach Asgore as a pacifist, they still can't leave without at least one boss monster soul - Asgore's only alternative, if the child is determined enough to leave, is to fight them, or offer up his wife as a sacrifice.
>>318714378
Has it ever been confirmed that Asgore himself actually killed those kids? Could it have been Undyne or somebody else?
>>318714484
>Alphys is a victim too. Her research was an order from Asgore.
Incorrect. Asgore asked her to research other ways of leaving the underground. He in fact gave her virtually no oversight, allowing her to play Mengele and ruin literally everything. His only mistake was trusting a self-centered, amoral monster with Gaster's resources, which plays into his trusting and generally dopey nature.
FUCK OFF TO /vg/, you gay cross dressing furry degenerates
>>318714378
If it weren't for Flowey or Frisk at least one of those kids would have to die anyway for monsters to ever be able to leave that shitty place humanity locked them in.
And of course he's still bad for this but Jesus Christ, you'd logically expect anyone in his position to be a human racist anyway, and you can't expect him to not be ignorant about what modern humanity is like.
Asgore's a thousand times nicer than he would be if he wasn't a big softy. Most people in his position would be Undyne on steroids.
>>318714620
Not his fault, he's unable to feel compassion or love. He even says he tried for years. He's a victim.
>>318714724
We're literally told that 'no one makes it past Asgore' so we know he kills at least one. We know that he ordered the killing of any human that falls down, so I am going to put that on him.
As for innocence I could argue every kid is innocent, but more than that you can't even fight in game unless you're being attacked... The monsters are trying to kill you before you kill them. Not every kid has determination, even if they tried to do a pacifist run they could very well die, it's just self defense. Asgore is still a cunt.
>Implying everyone but Papyrus isn't fucked up one way or another
At least Asgore is likeable compared to the dumb lizard chick
>live with Asriel
>sheds like a maniac
>hair, hair everywhere
kill me
>>318713594
>>>/tumblr/
>>318714484
>Again, every problem can be traced back to him
Yeah but the problem also traces back to Chara too.
>>318715037
>cross dressing
Where did that projection come from? Anon? Are you not telling us something?
>>318714786
We know he killed at least one since we're told no one makes it past him. desu I don't know how anyone could make it past Sans and not make it past Asgore, but that's what we're told.
>>318714946
That would still make it his fault. Anyways Alphys is a scientist, she made a mistake that may have been unavoidable for all we know. If he hadn't ordered her to play God it wouldn't have happened, he is the catalyst.
>>318715037
Sup Autismo
>>318715292
That partsmells like Mettaton
>>318715293
>Cyan Soul human died in the Ruins
>Orange Soul human died in Snowdin
>Blue and Purple Soul humans died in Waterfall
>Green and Yellow Soul humans died in Hotland
None of them even made it to the Core, let alone past Asgore.
>>318715218
I've never been to Tumblr, I have never heard of Homestuck until /v/ got salty about Undertale, fuck off Mr. Salt.
>>318715102
>We're literally told that 'no one makes it past Asgore' so we know he kills at least one.
We also know that no one can make it past Asgore regardless, because the barrier is there.
>We know that he ordered the killing of any human that falls down, so I am going to put that on him.
Capture, actually. And, as mentioned above, the human literally cannot leave without killing a boss monster. Therefore expediting the battle with Asgore minimizes the risk to the Underground's citizens and allows the child a chance to claim his soul. The suicide ending shows that Asgore is entirely willing to part with his soul to allow a child to pass the barrier, but cannot in good conscience simply roll over and die.
>Not every kid has determination
Verifiably false. All 6 of the human souls persisted after death.
>As for innocence I could argue every kid is innocent,
The vast majority of players kill at least one monster on their first run.
>but more than that you can't even fight in game unless you're being attacked...
Monster kid.
>Asgore is still a cunt.
Irrelevant.
>>318713982
Ooh... Ouch... Too close to home man
>>318713594
he also has a really shitty name but that's mostly the designer's fault tho
ASGORE DID NOTHING WRONG!
What happens to the souls when you finish the game? Does the player absorb them?
Alphys > Asgore
This triggers the barafags
>>318715293
>That would still make it his fault.
If you're going to take it to that level of abstraction, the blame is on Chara for dying and setting off the chain of events. Or the first boss monster to fight in the human/monster war. Or the first monster period.
>Anyways Alphys is a scientist, she made a mistake that may have been unavoidable for all we know
So Alphys is allowed to make mistakes but Asgore's are unjustifiable? Even though Alphys hides from her responsibilities, refuses to answer to any sort of authority, and even contemplates killing herself- which, I may remind you, would leave a lab full of starving, insane abominations who are literally unable to die. The only reason she doesn't? Fish pussy. Alphys is an utterly selfish and reprehensible person and far less morally sound than Asgore or even Flowey.
>. If he hadn't ordered her to play God
He asked her to find a way past the barrier, not to create deathless abominations whose every moment is suffering. That was her idea.
>>318715140
>Toriel is a hypocrite
>Sans could save everyone if he wasn't a lazy shit
>Undyne has serious anger issues
Wow you're right.
>>318713594
Chara caused every issue in the game. He ate poisonous flowers just so Asriel would absorb his soul and cross the barrier, inciting a race war and subsequently leading to the events of the game, because he was an angsty shit who couldn't cope with other people. Chara is essentially /v/.
>>318713594
asgore backwards is erogsa
I've come to give this song from crystal tears
I've come to give this song from love
ha ha ha
ha ha ha
ha ha ha
ha uhhh
blolololololo ha ha ha
It's a shame the neutral-pacifist ending doesn't pan out
What EXACTLY did asgore do wrong?
I liked him. He was a tragic character. Didn't wanna hurt nobody.
>>318715146
So he's like a cat, except I can fuck it?
worth
>>318713735
fuck, if asgore were my dad, i'd tie him up and fuck his giant goat ass every ngiht until he begged me for my cum. seriously, he's so beta when it comes to anythign other than the literal survival of his people, he'd probably just let me jam my cock into his quivering asshole every moment of every day until he's my personal bitch and lets me freestyle on his ass whenever i want. assgore the queer is an understatement. he'd let anyone fuck him for pennies on the dollar
>>318715923
>Chara caused every issue in the game
well not the single biggest one, being stuck underground, that was old humanity
>>318716121
Fair point.
>>318715738
Neutral ending: they disappear after the Flowey fuckery happens
Pacifist ending: they disappear after Asriel uses them + the monster souls to break the barrier
Genocide ending: they get destroyed like everything else
>>318716045
Let Toriel walk out on him.
>>318716045
Epic Divorce Man did so many things wrong that it's hard to even figure out where to start.
>>318716046
Sure, but he was still a massive fuckup.
>>318716045
Was to much of a coward to back out of the crap he said. So he followed through with it and murdered 6 people and attempted a 7th kill instead of fixing his mistakes. To pussy to go full through with what he said, and to pussy to fix his problems. The loser sat in the middle and just hoped no kids one come down the hole.
>>318716106
You've thought about this before, haven't you?
>>318715903
>Sans could save everyone if he wasn't a lazy shit
Only reason I hate his character. I'm a casual to bullet hell games, once I saw how strong Sans was I couldn't be fucked doing a geno run.
He could literally kill either you or Asgore and end the game, but he just chooses to watch you instead, what the fuck.
>>318715903
>Sans could save everyone if he wasn't a lazy shit
the problem is that he knows he actually won't be saving anyone, he knows you'll just rewind anyway
>>318716106
>>318715738
Neutral: They sacrifice themselves to stop Flowey
Pacifist: They leave, probably to be revived or reincarnated
Genocide: They get erased with the rest of the world
>>318716264
Yea he was a fuckup but you could tell he truely wanted everyone to be happy. You can't fault his mistakes when his intentions were so sincere
>>318716352
He knows you can reset, so there's not any point to anything. He only works up the ability to give a damn and attacks you at the end of genocide because he knows you're coming up on a choice that can't be taken back
>>318716320
only for a bit. i've jacked off to asgore once before, but i'm just drunk now so i say whatever comes to my mind right now. he's really a hunk, like the kind i like, but still he's just got a dadbod (even though that's practically my favorite fetish)
>>318716419
The problem is that since time rewinds, Sans only ever figures it out near the end of every timeline. Unlike Flowey, he doesn't know he's in a game until the end.
I don't get why during a second playthrough you cant convince everyone not to fight you by telling them shit you learned the first time
>>318716291
go through and kill humans on the oustside so humans would hate him more?
>>318716821
Well I mean other than Sans and Flowey (who already knows) do you think they would believe you? And even if they did, unless you did a pacifist ending they still want to kill you and escape.
>>318716723
Given the stuff in his house, I think he already knows by the time you've shown up. And while he can't remember stuff across timelines like you or Flowey, he does seem to be able to save some things - he'll have the True Pacifist photo in his shed if you make that choice and then True Reset.
There are hints that he may have been involve with Gaster in some way, too.
Nobody knows what's up with Sans.
>>318716821
Because they'd think you were insane
Except for Sans, anyways.
>>318716821
I'd imagine it's because you're supposed to be a new kid, so you wouldn't know what to do.
>>318716352
I believe (Now this requires citation) But I believe Sans was suffering from massive depression. Some speculate it was from losing Gaster, which you find out through a lot of fuckery, was a friend of Sans and Papyrus.
Others speculate it's that he used to love playing in the flowers but Flowey fucked that all up for him...
>>318716947
Another reason Asgore is a faggot, after getting his 7 souls he intends to go out and commit a human genocide. And the game tries to make me feel bad for doing the same thing in self defense?
>Asgore fags gtfo
>>318716947
Too cowardly to do that.
>>318717036
I think that's implied whenhis Lost Soul says "just give up. i did."
>>318716723
>Sans only ever figures it out near the end of every timeline
I'm not sure we can tell when he figures it out' at some point he and whoever else is included in "we" detects all that timeline mumbo jumbo through science stuff, but he does seem to break the game with shortcuts since Snowdin, so it seems he actually might have this sort of knowledge sooner rather than later.
>>318716976
Papyrus makes it clear that he understands some time shenanigans happen pretty often in their world, and Asgore straight up acknowledges your death(s) if he kills you.
>>318717093
>self-defense
In a genocide run, YOU become the threat. Not just to monsters, but humanity as well.
>>318715903
>Sans could have saved everyone
If you do a pseudo-genocide run (kill everyone but don't kill until monsters stop appearing), Sans admits that he fucked up by not interfering and basically hates himself (along with you of course)
/r/ing asgore the toddler terminator etc. pasta
>>318714724
>The other fallen children almost certainly killed at least one monster each, most likely far more
[citation needed]
see, I can do it too, faggot.
>>318717216
Yeah, if you manage to enter Sans's room, eventually Papyrus asks if Sans is pranking you across time and space, and that Papyrus hates it when his brother does that.
What does this mean about the truth behind the world? Well, the truth is thatyou got owned, nerd......
>>318716994
False. I went to start doing a genocide run, fucked up, went back and decided to pacifist it up and there are dialogue lines plainly stating (Up to the point that you got on your other run) that you look very familiar and they have lines that heavily elude to you being the same person. It was only a reset after all
>>318717291
He also knows it wouldn't help if he interfered. if the player has determination they can keep trying until they beat Sans, he acknowledges this when he fails to kill you.
>>318717450
There items were covered with dust. Which implies that they kill monsters as monsters turn to dust when killed.
Keep up boyo
>>318717216
>Asgore straight up acknowledges your death(s) if he kills you
really? Like as in like Sans being able to read it on your face or he just straight up knows? Neither of those sound right because he's not supposed to be aware this is a game.
Besides I certainly died to him a few times and don't remember that.
>>318717450
>>318714724
>>318714378
Why is everyone assuming the other 6 souls belonged to kids? Adults have souls too
>>318717520
no they weren't
i know for a fact glasses wasn't
>>318717528
You use an act thing to say how many times you died. Asgore just nods and accepts it like it is nothing.
>>318717450
He's not wrong tho.
You can bet the other kids defended themselves one way or another.
>>318717138
True. I just don't know if it's about the reason behind it, that being the flowers, Gaster or some other reason we can't see in the game
>>318717528
Yeah, it happens. He reacts differently depending on how many times he killed you as well.
i really never understood why everyone assumed all six humans were children. the coffins, yes, but really none of the games graphics are to scale anyway. i actually feel like it's far more likely most of them were adults. one of them had a fucking gun. i think the common thread between them was probablysuicide, and possibly what made Frisk so special was that hetotally wasn't suicidal but rather was just abandoned there. That he was innocent.
>>318716054
>those thighs
Jesus fucking christ no
>>318717607
They were almost definitely kids, I can't remember how I know though...
>>318714724
so you're saying they killed monsters that wanted them dead and therefore deserved to have their bodies destroyed to forever float around as a disembodied heart
>>318717617
I think anon was talking about the weapons.
>>318717607
Coffins.
Unless they are adult midgets
Toriel is the worst character.
>walks out on grieving husband
>walks out on her people as abandons her throne
>Tries to trap you in her house
>throws a fireball at her husband for some random kid she just met
>>318717216
I believe Papyrus' words involving time is "Is Sans trolling you through time and space again? I hate it when he does that!" But that's, once again, after you do a bunch of fuckery
>>318717528
You have to act towards him. It really doesn't do anything, it's just a dialogue thing.
>>318717450
Not only are you wrong, as proven by the dust on the weapons, but the barrier renders the entire point irrelevant, which you'd know if you read the end of his post.
>>318717647
As they have a right to. If you're some kid that fell down a hole and a monster attacks you how are you the bad guy for fighting back? The game mechanics literally don't allow you to kill unless you're being attacked. In the Geno run you can't kill the turtle shopkeeper because he doesn't attack you.
this game is bad
>>318717716
Yeah, even if the six soul humans were underageb&, the Yellow Soul human was probably the oldest. Either them or the Green Soul human.
>>318717785
That's what happens to humans, anon. Doesn't matter how they die. Even humans that die peacefully in their old age have their souls leave their bodies.
You're saying the humans have a right to defend themselves, but that logic goes both ways- Asgore has a right to defend himself, and the humans have to kill him to pass the barrier. Asgore's only "fault" is winning every time.
>>318717867
No it doesn't
There's nothing stating they reached the barrier of their own volition or even knew what they do in order to get through it
>>318717830
>walks out on murderous husband and a failure as a king
>doesn't want to rule her people if they want to be murderous too
>asks you to stay with her where you will be safe from monsters and be loved
>intervenes to stop a murderer killing an innocent child
0/10 try harder
>>318717830
Literally spinning this in the worst way possible, you should go work for Fox News or something.
Toriel is 2nd to none but Papyrus in terms of being good.
>>318713594
but his theme was so fucking good
>>318717830
to be fair, Asgore "put the tyke on a spike" Dreemurr's form of grieving was ordering all humans to be killed and she was just trapping you to protect you, she watched all the others die.
>>318717924
Monster kid.
>>318713594
Reminder that Asgore did nothing wrong.
If Asgore did what Toriel suggested, took one soul, broke out to steal six more then lifted the seal, monsters would be seen as an invading army by the humans. They'd leave the cave to be greeted by the entire US military.
The entire point of the first war, and the genocide route, is that monsters are fucked if humans decide to wipe them out. Sure a monster with seven humans souls is slightly stronger than the seven wizards who laid the seal, but what are they going to do when the humans gather eight wizards to form a new seal, then throw one unusually determined small child at the monster horde? What are they going to do when the humans gather eighteen blokes with baseball bats?
http://www.generatorland.com/usergenerator.aspx?id=12011
>what if annoying dog is a timelord
>>318717924
Yes, that's true. But it also explains why the stronger monsters may have felt it was okay to attack and kill the kids.
>>318718170
Fiine, but that's only geno run which I think should count as a special exception.
>>318718083
False. All of them passed through the Ruins and therefore stayed with Toriel. All of them were trying to reach the surface. To achieve that goal they had to kill Asgore.
>>318718087
>>318718107
>>318718152
Toriel Defense Force in full action
Asgore made his people happy. Toriel did nothing.
>>318718180
he wouldn't have actually had to kill anyone, just wait for them to die and take their soul
>>318713594
OP is a fag.
This thread is a reason of why i not mention that i like undertale and stay away from this retarded fandom of keks and their waifu game.
>>318718180
>If Asgore did what Toriel suggested, took one soul, broke out to steal six more then lifted the seal, monsters would be seen as an invading army by the humans. They'd leave the cave to be greeted by the entire US military.
Asgore planned on committing genocide on humans after he broke the barrier u fuck
>>318718170
Monster kid does challenge you to a fight, even if they don't attack first.
>>318718180
Cant he restore the humans just like Asriel did at the end?
>>318718342
go to bed Asgore
>>318718431
Monster kid is merely "in my way."
>>318713868
>but for taking so long to acquire the souls like the coward he is.
Yah nah. Asgore was manipulated into collecting all the souls needed to shatter the barrier completely. THAT's why he didn't do it.
>>318718340
Probably not all of them though, Toriel likely only met a few of the kids and let most of them through pretty easily. Hence why she's so hesitant to let Frisk through.
>>318718342
The fuck, he's a failure. He could have went and grabbed 6 human souls himself, but he's too pussy. He's a coward.
>>318718402
Go home Mr. Salt, maybe your mom will buy you the new Call Of Duty if you're good :)
>>318718180
The game makes a big deal out of a monster and human soul combination being super powerful, and hell; Photoshop Flowey is just 6 human souls put together without a monster souls and he's basically a God who only lost because Frisk kept asking the souls for help and they agreed.
Humans can't take souls from other human, so I think Toriel's suggestion would have been a formidable threat
>>318718180
THIS he has no reason to believe he wouldn't be BTFO if he left the underground. He saw what they did to his son, who also had a human soul (did Asgore even know that?) in him and wasn't hostile. His plan takes much longer but is safer for everyone.
>>318718428
Yes but he wanted to do it once he had SEVEN souls, not just one. His chances of actually defeating the humans would be much higher then.
how many people that like undertale consider themselves 100% not gay
>>318718631
>Go home Mr. Salt, maybe your mom will buy you the new Call Of Duty if you're good :)
Thanks meme titan but i'd rather stay with your mom. :^) Im not done with her yet. ;^)
>>318718631
>He could have went and grabbed 6 human souls himself, but he's too pussy.
>Attacks surface humans
>They retaliate
>They slaughter all the monsters
Nice thinking ahead retard
>>318718180
>>318718342
Asgore did everything wrong. If he hadn't said he wanted a war nothing would have happened. He didn't even bother taking it back. He also didn't even go through with it, he sat there wallowing in his sadness, hoping the bad stuff that was going to happen didn't.
He didn't even try to make his people happy like a good king, he gave them false hope. He could have tried to do other things but didn't even bother. I can guarantee if he did kill Frisk he would have tried to genocide humans and started a war anyway because he would be too pussy to tell his people it is not a good idea.
If it weren't for Frisk being a cool sparing kid then the Underground would remain forever a shithole filled with Sadness due to Asgores cowardness.
>>318718479
Yeah, because you know the kid can't actually do anything. they're just trying to stand up to you to be tough like Undyne.
>>318718340
>>318718340
Yeah because toriel tells you you have to kill her husband to get ou OH WAIT SHE DOESNT
>>318718815
If he knew they would slaughter monsters then he should have never said he wanted a war in the first place.
>>318718859
Because if she convinces you to stay it won't be relevant.
>>318715861
>the blame is on Chara for dying and setting off the chain of events.
Considering what Asriel, the tapes and the genocide ending reveal, the blame absolutely is on Chara. Chara wanted war and manipulated Asriel to get it.
>>318718859
she does if you kill her as she's dying I think
>>318718815
The game tells us that Flowie/Asriel could have killed all the humans that attacked him with ONE human soul if he wanted. Asgore could get seven in no time if he tried, Toriel knows this. Go to sleep Asgore.
So here's a question for you guys.
Do you think Napstablook and Mettaton were humans before they were ghosts,or monsters?
Or do ghosts count as monsters?
>>318718828
The game has many ways of representing ineffectual attacks or dangerous but not intentionally harmful actions, such as Migosp's dance. Monster kid literally does not attempt to stop you. In fact, if you spare him, he states he knew you wouldn't hurt him and you're not a bad guy after all.
>>318719036
Toriel really kept berating him for not just breaking through with 1 soul and getting 6 more.
Asgore didn't want to kill them because he is a gentle soul.
Asriel got his kindness from his dad.
>>318718817
>If he hadn't said he wanted a war nothing would have happened
The monsters got locked down there from a complete surprise attack by humans, waterfall makes it clear that the "war" introduced in the intro was anything but. He clearly made his people happy as every monster but Toriel fucking loves the guy and him saying he'll use 7 human souls to break the barrier is what kept most other monsters from wallowing in sadness.
>>318719076
>do ghosts count as monsters
do zombies count as monsters?
they're unnatural, and they're not humans anymore even if they used to be
>>318719192
He's still a pussy and a shitty king, and he still caused every issue in the game.
>Asgore apologists gtfo
>>318718431
He does challenge you yes but only in a fit of self defense. I mean... You've been killing everyone, Undyne warned him, he was searching for strength that he didn't have, to fight against something he didn't understand, nor have any power to fight against in the first place. I mean fuck if you get the info on him it says "Looks like free EXP"
>>318719076
Ghosts are just another type of monster, specifically those who are incorporeal and thus cannot be harmed by physical attacks.
>monsters break the barrier
>humans are totally okay with this
Someone explain, or did the world just collectively take the kid's word that everything was cool?
>>318719258
But there aren't any zombies in the game.
Unless I missed them.
>>318719036
That's Chara's soul though
>undertale and the fandom ('undies') on 4chan
a meme for the ages
>>318719316
Chara caused every issue in the game.
>>318719436
>undies
>>318719438
yeah but Asgore mismanaged the fuck out of the aftermath
>>318714724
>Friendly reminder that all 6 children had weapons
DROP THE BALLET SHOES
SHOOT, HE HAS A NOTEBOOK
>>318719402
it's an example
how about "living skeletons"?
>>318719364
I think that's supposed to be one of moments in the genocide run to make you want to change your mind about doing it.
>>318719227
But that was a downright lie and wouldn't achieve anything.
He could have tried to find another way of breaking the barrier and giving actual hope. The only reason they thought that was because after Asriel died he said that out of anger and never ever took it back. If he did the whole thing could have been fixed and he could have been an actual good king and give hope to his people in a different way. But be pussied out of both taking it back and following through with what he said. As I said if he did get 7 souls he would have broke the barrier and caused a war in which monsters get rekt anyway, all because he was to much of a coward to fix things the right way.
>>318713594
what a fuck
>>318716054
GODDAMN THAT ASS
FUCK
>>318719532
monsters are fragile as shit dude, its not the weapon, its the intention behind it, hence why ballet shoes or a gun without bullets or fuck even a god damn stick are deadly shit
>>318718428
He claimed he wanted to kill all humans, but that was just to give his people hope. No-one who gives each victim the opportunity to go for a walk and enjoy life for a while before coming back to fight could genocide an entire race.
>>318719527
So did Toriel
>>318719628
goatfuckers leave
>>318719192
Toriel berated him for being a hypocrite that was only giving into pressures and being generally indecisive instead of staying true to his kind nature.
The fact that he didn't execute something like a hypothetical "better plan" was proof that he was living a lie.
>>318719387
I think it was because that particular human was the first human to climb Mt. Ebott and get back out alive.
>>318714228
>Going out and finding 6 people who you deem evil.
>VS taking the souls of people who climb to what is known as a suicide mountain?
>>318719638
>But on a slick suit and disco jive through the underground
>Slaughter all monsters with the power of your funk and by disrespecting their dance moves.
I want this
>>318719602
>wouldn't achieve anything
Except keeping the whole population happy and with hope.
>He could have tried to find another way of breaking the barrier
Did you ignore the whole deal with Alphys?
>>318719795
>michael jacksons moonwalker
>>318719778
but I'm not talking about your mom
>>318719789What was the context behind that image you posted? I'm curious.
What if Asriel were a girl?
>>318718745
I don't know how much we can trust Flowey's (Asriel's?) words but at the end of the genocide run it stated that the soul of Chara took over his body and wanted to hurt the humans in a major way. So we have to assume that he wasn't actually all that peaceful in his first contact with humans... Which I'm actually happy was clarified cus it confused me as to why the monsters were so readily accepted in the true pacifist ending. Dunno how relevent to your post this is but you know.. Thought I'd throw that out there
>>318719672
In other words, Asgore lied to his people about the goals on the surface.
He tried to make everyone happy, and thus made no one happy.
>>318719912
>he didn't overwhelm flowey with pure goodness
You dun goof'd
>>318719789
He was trying to actually find a way to break the barrier that didn't involve killing humans. The true labs and whatnot.
People keep acting like all Asgore did was have his thumb up his ass.
>>318719893
I wish I had a goatmom tb.h
>>318719638
but they're not actually weapons, the children may have gained exp and then hatred towards the monsters, which is understandable when they are tying to kill you. Only weapon is a gun and some knife I think.
>>318719778
What do you have against the welsh?
>>318719946
Then 99% of the people attacking him would be defending him.
Just like 99% of the people defending Alphys would be attacking her if she was male.
>>318719961
Yeah, that is why everyone in the underground is miserable and hates his guts.
>>318719672
That's speculation, it's canon that Asgore had every intention of destroying humanity, he already killed or had 6 children killed.
>>318720013
>create secret lab underground
>try to break barrier
>end up turning monsters into mutated hellspawn and then not telling their families
what a real hero
>>318719602
>But that was a downright lie and wouldn't achieve anything.
we actually don't know this for sure, I think its probably understandable to assume he's just do it if Frisk died, really he'd have everything necessary to free all the monsters then and there then.
>As I said if he did get 7 souls he would have broke the barrier and caused a war in which monsters get rekt anyway, all because he was to much of a coward to fix things the right way.
A human and a monster soul combination is already super powerful, it's made clear Asriel could've wiped the village clean if he didn't disagree with Chara at the last second and just stand there.
Omega Flowey is just six human souls with no monster soul and that shit is a fucking God who has complete control over save states and was undefeateable without Frisk asking the souls for help. If Asgore went through with this he'd have atleast one monster soul and 7 human souls. Military might wouldn't help against savescumming.
>>318719912
I don't quite remember, but I do remember it not being very important. The text comes from some anon's post.
>>318720046
You could probably bet that the gun is just a cap gun or something.
>>318720160
>>end up turning monsters into mutated hellspawn and then not telling their families
All Alphys, especially the not telling the families part, Asgore would've told them.
>>318719994I meant the thread in question.
>>318720160
>end up turning monsters into mutated hellspawn and then not telling their families
>Asgore is Alphys
>>318720046
>but they're not actually weapons
They don't have to be. The soul of every single monsters is barely as good as a single human soul, they can be made extinct with ballet shoes or a frying pan.
Personally I'm still confused on how these "fights" actually happen, but it seems to just be some soul vs soul bullshit
>>318719387
Not to spoil but at the end of geno run Flowey said that he was influenced by Chara to attack the humans, meaning that it was Chara's fault asriel was killed. In true Pacifist mode no one was influencing the monsters to attack so... they didn't... And thus the humans didn't see a threat and didn't attack the monsters
>>318719947
We're also told he resisted, he was peaceful. We can trust Flowie in the geno run because he trusts you, until he doesn't obviously.
>>318720147
>can't even bring himself to use the 6 souls against a single child
>but he would totally become god and kill every human in existence afterwards
>>318718643
Frisk might be rare, but he's not going to be the only gentle child on Earth. Beating Photoshop Flowey is just a matter of tanking/avoiding his hits and asking for help when you can. The same goes for godlike Asriel. Keep taking the hits and calling out to his souls.
Anyway, according to the genocide route Flowey used to have SAVE powers and lost them when Frisk arrived. Photoshop, Asriel and Chara were so powerful because they were able to fuck with the timelines, which they could only do because they were the most determined thing in the game at that point. If Photoshop Flowey went out into the world with the determination of six men, he wouldn't be able to control the timeline when faced with thousands of men.
>>318719813
It was false hope though. It barely made that many monsters happy because they still wanted out, which he couldn
t deliver without starting a war.
Asgore could have as a kind inspired his people to think the underground isn't that bad. Hey he could have even not killed humans and waited for them to die natural deaths and then use them. saying there no other option makes you as shit as him. He is supposed to be king, he isn't supposed to give up hope.
>>318720279
So why didn't he do that? Why not deliver his promise to his people like he said he would? He was to much of a coward to fix things. He didn't go through with what he said, nor did he amend his mistakes. A true coward king
why is chara a massive cunt
is that ever explained
>>318720013
Meanwhile instead of telling his people about it he kept it secret, ended up creating monster monsters, and kept killing kids in the meantime. What a hero.
>>318720139
Except that everyone loves Asgore. Not a single person has a negative thing to say about him except Toriel.
>>318720443
he hated humanity, some people think he was a child soldier or some shit
>>318720443
He clearly browsed /v/ a lot and had a strong hatred to all furry things.
>>318719574
I see your point, though reasonably you've already gone that far. You ain't about to turn around and change your ways then and there. I think it was moreso to show how absolutely fucked up Chara was at that point... I mean I told my friend that that's what it said and /he/ got a shocked expression, and he regularly visits /b/
>>318720470
Alphys created the monsters you retards.
>>318720337
>And thus the humans didn't see a threat and didn't attack the monsters
But the whole reason monsters got stomped underground in the first place is because any old monster can abosrb a human soul that's just floating around and turn into god, and there's nothing to suggest they collectively lost this power while they were all underground, so why would people take the risk and let them hang around when they could just shove them all back underground
>>318720586
he condoned the experiments and even visited once
>>318720657
He had no knowledge of the amalgams
>>318720657
But didn't he only ever get to see Mettaton? Who is like Alphys' only "success?"
>>318719436I'm the anon that came up with that a couple of days ago. Stop it. I don't want to be the one who invented the word.
>>318720747
That's also his fault. He can't supervise for shit, how is he the fucking king, he's such a coward...
>>318718817
> He could have tried to do other things but didn't even bother.
He did. He commissioned the two best scientists in the land to try and sort things out. Gaster fucked up and deleted himself from the game files while Alphys fucked up and created Flowey and the amalgamates.
>>318720437
>So why didn't he do that? Why not deliver his promise to his people like he said he would? He was to much of a coward to fix things. He didn't go through with what he said, nor did he amend his mistakes. A true coward king
His promise literally had no time to be delivered yet, he never got a seventh soul. Toriel's suggestion is not his plan, his plan was to wait for 7 souls and that was within reach once Frisk fell, but Frisk survived, so he never got the seventh soul before either dying or Final Boss Asriel breaking the barrier.
>>318720857
To late I already memed it.
>>318720443
Children are cruel, Jack
>>318720857
>he thinks undies was invented a few days ago
>>318720013
He was extremely bad at managing the royal lab's experiments though. He doesn't really manage anything very well. If it weren't for the fact that he was very personable and had people to do the real work for him, he'd have been deposed in weeks.
>>318720370
Yeah, I mean it did kinda seem like he was saying anything so that you would spare him. But if it was primarily asrial that was talking then, and not the... Corrupted form of him that we know of as flowey then I fully believe him. Fuck I fully believe him anyways, totally seems like a thing Chara would do
>>318713594
Asgore is a sexy goat dad and Toriel is just a passive aggressive hater who simply abducts children.
>>318721025
I swear it was like 3 days ago when I mentioned it. Unless you are saying I wasn't being clever and it has been done before? ;_;
>>318721098
>He was extremely bad at managing the royal lab's experiments though.
>your first royal scientist literally falls into the core and ceases to exist in our timeline
>your backup scientist is a weeb lizard who fucks up and makes mutated hellspawn
can he do ANYTHING right?
alphys made the best area in the game, she's alright
>>318719638
>>monsters are fragile as shit dude
and they kill humans just by "expressing themselves"
You forgive jet planes that try to crash into you. I'm surprised muslims weren't featured in those battles.
>>318721341
You play as a human, not an anthropomorphic building.
>>318721238
He survived the first war
Only other one who can claim that is Gerson
>I'm no hero, never was
>>318721098
I think that's the point. He's supposed to be very kind and likable, but completely wrong for his job. He has other people do the work for him.
Personally, I don't even think he killed all the kids, like maybe he took out one but couldn't bring himself to kill another.
>>318721238
Water his garden and make tea. Which is probably what occupied him 99.9% of time he was on the throne by himself.
>>318713594
Asgore 'King Kindergarten Killer' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Spike The Tyke' Dreemur
Asgore 'Ankle-Biter Beater' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Crying Child Crusher' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Non-Senior Citizen Slayer' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Toddler Terminator' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Munchkin Murderer' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Innocent Infanticider' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Punt The Runt' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Mourning Mother-Maker' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Child Coffin Collector' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Youngster Euthanizer' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Splat The Brat' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Be Mean To Teens' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Maybe Killed A Baby' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Gerber Grow-Up Plan Gleaner' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Preschool Purifier' Dreemurr
Asgore 'When They Hit The Flowers, They're Dead In Hours' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Extra-Small Exterminator' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Halfpint Holocaust' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Kiddy Cleanser' Dreemurr
Asgore 'You Must Be This Tall To Live' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Crueler for the Preschooler' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Offspring Annihilator' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Get Rid Of The Kid' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Infant Slayer Player' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Stabbed Some Kids Through The Ribs' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Trust Fund Refund' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Playground Flaying Round' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Adolescent Suppressant' Dreemurr
Asgore 'Youthanizer' Dreemurr
Asgore "Come explore and you're done for" Dreemurr
Asgore "Homo is no mo'" Dreemurr
Asgore "Give the lass some gas" Dreemurr
Asgore "Going blitz on the kids" Dreemurr
Asgore "Into the showers those who land on flowers" Dreemurr
Asgore "Six children was not enough" Dreemurrr
Asgore "Fall through the hole I'll take your soul" Dreemurr
Asgore "Time to shit on a kid" Dreemurr
Asgore "I don't need consent for my trident" Dreemurr
Asgore "No mercy from my fur, see?" Dreemurr
Asgore "Get smacked while choosing Act" Dreemurr
Asgore "I'm going Spare alright" Dreemurr
Asgore "Cyanide for Monster Pride" Dreemurr
Asgore "Six kids, six-feet-under" Dreemurr
Asgore "Bergencückung" Dreemurr
>>318720437
>Hey he could have even not killed humans and waited for them to die natural deaths and then use them
Let's not forget the possible ramifications of any of those six kids finding out they need to kill Asgore to get out. If left alone one of those kids could have attempted to kill Asgore themselves, or even kill monsters indiscriminately over not knowing what constitutes a "Boss Monster"
>>318721139
>>318721025
Fuck you were right. I checked the archive and someone already came up with it first.
>>318721413
>He survived the first war
probably by being a coward lmao
>>318721491
>and make tea
>the only time he offers to give you some it's already cold
>>318721410
in those fights i wasroleplayingroleplaying as one
>>318721341
They say on the plaques in Waterfall that humans are much stronger than mosnters, that even a human child could easily defeat grown monsters.
>>318720621
I'd have to imagine that sticking with the theme of the game the humans decided to spare the monsters and see how it goes, just because they are good hearted or something. PLus... I mean... Who would look at Papyrus and go "Oh my god he's going to kill us, kill him first!"? No one that's who.
Toriel's plan, to take one human soul, go outside, take six more then break the barrier, is also revealed to be Chara's original plan. Toriel sides with a genocidal maniac rather than her own husband.
Asgore's intentions were good so therefore he cannot be evil. Just like hitler.
>>318719947
How do you think the humans would react if suddenly MONSTERS appeared?
Would they just gun them down so easily?
>>318720621
To be fair Humans can do this too if they target Toriel or Asgore, and Humans are still way stronger by default. Monsters are taking a much bigger risk just existing on the same planet as them.
>>318713594
L I T E R A L C H I L D K I L L E R
>>318721839
Hitler's intentions weren't good.
>>318721880
Evidently they didn't in true pacifist
>>318721950
>To be fair Humans can do this too if they target Toriel or Asgore
No they can't, one of the plaques says humans can't absorb souls like monsters can
>>318721880
no
I'd fuck hot monster girls
>>318722093
gee I wonder who could be behind this post
>>318721880
Rape rises
>>318721839
But Alphys ostensibly had good intentions at some point and she's objectively the most evil character in the game.
>>318721880
How long before the events of Undertale was the monster-human conflict?
>>318722093
What the fuck
>>318722310
thousands of years probably
>>318721839
>Just like hitler
>>318722147
One of them mentions Boss Monsters are the one exception because their souls do keep existing a little bit after they die. You see Toriel and Asgore white souls for a momment because they are Boss Monsters.
>>318721880
Have you even SEEN /utg/?
>>318722235
I am not Hitler, I swear.
>>318722147
They can, you just never do. Asgore gets his soul destroyed by Flowey no matter what, but I don't see why you can't kill goatmom and eat her soul on a new playthrough.
>>318722310
before written history presumably
>>318719795
>Have an intense dance-off with Mettaton