>200 years after the bombs
>New Vegas was spared from destruction
>Yet, all the buildings are in ruins, things are run down, and look like utter shit despite not suffering nuclear war.
I guess it's okay when Obsidian does it?
How can /v/ criticize Fallout 4, yet deflect all criticism on New Vegas?
Because the lore supports it? The mojave was only recently colonized in the last seven years.
Because Obsidian respected the lore, dipshit.
Todd did whatever was cooler in Fallout 4, Obsidian respected the previous Fallout and Fallout Bible in New Vegas.
>>318524320
>strip gets protected from nukes
>everything but a couple of buildings is in ashes
When I first heard about this game, I believed Vegas would be a complete city, just with the proper fallout theme. How naive I was.
>>318524320
you didn't actually play new vegas, did you?
they explain in game that non-vault people only recently moved there. the strip was abandoned for fucking ever until House decided to play god
>>318524818
Wasn't house and his robots always present though? Why would he just let it all rot until someone decided to settle?
>>318524320
Yeah, 200 years without maintenance will do that
>>318524320
>Yet, all the buildings are in ruins, things are run down, and look like utter shit despite not suffering nuclear war.
Even without nuclear fallout, buildings and human settlements are still subject to the elements and lack of maintenance. Sand storms are pretty hard on most types of structures. Unless a building is made of stone and in the right climates most of them are going to succumb rot away after the first 50-75 years with no humans around.
>>318524916
House was in a coma for over 100 years and his robots aren't exactly the DIY Handyman type
>>318524320
>200 years will do nothing to buildings
>200 years withour repair and renovation
>whole place was filled with war like tribes and riders who waged wars for years before House
>beth shitters damage control
also this >>318524818
>>318525069
>coma
I did not know that.
Then how did the casinos themselves stay in such a good shape? Don't tell me people cared so much about rebuilding those.
>new Vegas is shit
>this thread is shit
Don't try to argue with obsidiots.
They are a bunch of angry old RPgeezers who spend all their free time coming up with detailed arguements for why "You kids get need off my lawn."
Nostalgia and bitterness over getting old are not a good mix.
Why the fuck does Project Nevada crash my game whenever I drink those bottles for Starcaps?
My little anon cannot be this retarded.
>>318525253
House took down 78 of the 90 nukes headed toward Vegas and a few failed to detonate
>>318525253
Maybe Pre-War America had building materials capable of lasting in the Mojave Desert
House had a huge hardon for the place even before he started predicting nuclear war, maybe he had a hand in convincing people to build a city that would last
>>318525576
Take some Ritalin and calm down young one.
>>318525253
there is a vault under the strip where the experiment was that everyone gambled. they loved gambling a ton, so yes they cared about rebuilding the casinos.
So its ok for the strip to be destroyed because of not being inhabited and raider wars, but its completely lore breaking that the commonwealth and capital wasteland are still trashed?
Well, this was quiet a one sided debacle.
Not sure what to do here now.
>>318525732
>>318525837
I guess that makes sense, in a way.
>>318525253
>Don't tell me people cared so much about rebuilding those
The absolute first thing House did when he started to rebuild Vegas was to recruit three tribes and set them up in a different casino because his entire plan revolved around getting NCR to gamble their money away
>>318526024
Yeah, but that doesn't really explain their pristine conditions (giving the circumstances). Unless all those tribes were composed of construction workers and architects.
>>318525736
I am just mad that someone in the obsidiots family helped them use the interweb machine.
Every post should start "Back in my day." or "You kids and your fancy graphics now Zork there was a game you could sink your teeth into."
>>318526135
The tribes were composed of House telling them what to do and how not to be dirty tribals, I don't think it'd be hard for him to explain how to build structures and paint walls.
>mfw people don't bother to learn the lore
>>318524320
At least DC had actual developing settlements with trade and ongoing efforts to improve quality of life despite the bombs.
New Vegas wasn't even hit, and all it had until House woke up was literal tribal dipshits squatting in the ruins and no infrastructure whatsoever (most of it was built by House in-vegas, and the NCR off-Vegas).
Honestly, I don't think it's BAD per se, but the NV setting sure as fuck BTFO of every retard crying about MUH 200 years.
>>318526135
House had enough concrete on hand to completely flood most of a Vault, I think it's safe to say he had a stockpile of materials and holodiscs relating to building upkeep sitting around. He only directly saved himself and his robots, after all.
The majority of Vault 21 was kicked out as well, he probably took some of them on since they had nowhere else to go
>>318526319
Zork was too casual, learn to program basic yourself.
>>318524320
Do you want running water and power, or do you want to sweep the streets and paint the exterior of a building?
It's not like uncle sam rolled in and employed everyone to do a job; wasteland setter priorities maaaan
>>318525847
its a bit silly that only a single nuke hit the commonwealth and pretty far off from the city, there's no lore anywhere to hint that other nukes missed, were duds, or were shot down
>>318525576
Don't try to argue with bethshitters
They are bunch of angry kids who spend all their free time coming up with detailed arguments for why "You old geezers need to lay down already"
Bad taste and bitterness over being a virgin are not a good mix.
>>318524320
>>200 years after the bombs
200 years of decay, I'm surprised buildings are still standing after awhile. I guess someone maintained them?
>>318526509
Isn't pretty much everyone in fallout filthy tribals? Apparently west of hoover damn its all shit like the faux natives you find in the honest hearts DLC, hence ceaser stomping all over the place.
>>318526952
Vault City nigga. Plus bethesda can always come up with the new vaults not on vault tec register.
The best answer is that budget constraints forced Obsidian to reuse assets from 3
>>318526952
Pretty much, as far as we know the only truly developed society is NCR, everywhere else is either tribals or small communites
>>318524642
Because after the nukes fell, House went into a very long coma, and Vegas became just another tribal infested shithole.
There would be even less there if the game took place 8 years earlier. No one had even gotten the idea to capture the Mojave. I mean, why would they? It's a fucking desert.
Once House woke up and the legion realized the hoover dam was actually still operational, that's when NCR moved in.
>>318524320
Do you seriously expect things to stay in pristine condition when they're left to decay for 200 years in the fucking Mojave desert?
The only people around in the Mojave were backwards tribals and they didn't give a fuck about renovating old world buildings like the NCR, they were happy walking the trail, dicking around in tents and squatting in crumbling old buildings like dumb savages.
Then you've also got to remember that most of the outlaw tribes/gangs from the NCR fled to the Mojave, like the Khans to fuck shit up.
But yeah, a building left to decay for 200 years in the desert isn't great.
>>318526848
One difference.
Bethdrones play games to enjoy them.
RPgeezers play games to see what they hate about them.
This is one reason Obsidian struggles.They try to cater to the RPgeezers.
>>318524818
But why? No nukes and there's water right next to you. Consider the people watching the nukes fall all around Vegas and seeing how everything but Vegas got hit. Who the fuck would want to leave Vegas.
>>318526509
>developing settlements
Where were they? I missed them. Megaton was a bunch of people sitting in a ditch with a bomb doing nothing to fix the broken water pipes. Rivet City was a bunch of people sitting on a broken aircraft carrier near the middle of a raider and mutant infested ruin. Republic of Dave is a single family playing politics. Little Lamplight is, well, Little Lamplight. Big Town is full of incompetent teenagers. Canterbury Commons is a bunch of people squatting in buildings watching mentally ill people fight. Oasis exists entirely because of one freakish mutant ghoul.
Most of the settlements in New Vegas sprung up because New Vegas itself became a tourist destination. Primm, Nipton and Novac all thrive leeching off of New Vegas' popularity. Goodsprings is built around a clean water source.
>>318526952
In Interplay/Obsidian lore a good portion of Post-Nuclear America is tribal.
Bethesda decided to ignore that part of the lore though, since there aren't any tribes on the East Coast.
>>318527161
There's also the Midwestern BoS, which is basically NCR with democracy replaced by power armoured feudalism
>>318527278
The desert is the best place in the world for keeping something preserved.
There are cars that have been sitting in the desert for 50 years, still in good condition.
200 years of sand and wind isnt enough destroy concrete and rebar
>>318526509
>be in a vast desert.
>there's nothing but desert and ancient airforce bases.
>sharpen my spear.
>no NCR.
>no law.
>no society.
>no one to stop me enslaving my fellow tribals and feasting on their flesh.
>no one to stop me from wielding machineguns stolen from the vast armories.
>can fire off thousands of rounds a day without ever needing to think about supplies.
I just can't imagine why there was nothing happening out in the desert where there was nothing before the war, man.
>>318527306
lol whatever you say virgin.
>>318524320
American houses are basically made of cardboard, dude. They fall apart all by themselves.
>>318526509
No infrastructure?
What about the numerous trade routes and the settlements established along them? The Long 15 and the Nipton-Novac road I forget the name of, and the 188? They're all trading towns based around the trails through the Mojave.
>>318524320
That tends to happen to building after 200 fucking year when they have not looked after.
Fucking retards
>>318527574
Midwestern BoS are hardly canon though.
All we know from Tactics is that there was a BoS chapter deployed there, and that's it. Most of Tactics wasn't canon.
>>318527278
Aren't the abandoned buildings at Chernobyl already crumbling after only 29 years? That's without the scavengers, giant radioactive critters and the harsh desert environment wearing it down.
It's surprising there's anything left at all, but I guess adobe huts wouldn't be as nice to look at I guess.
>>318527608
The concrete and rebar isn't destroyed though? Just in bad condition. That'll happen after 200 years with no maintenance, good conditions or no.
>>318527608
>The desert is the best place in the world for keeping something preserved.
You must be joking.
>>318527608
you do know tribals and riders were waging war there for years?
>>318527847
Yeah, but that's most of the old soviet countries for you. All their buildings are falling apart, even with people actually living in them.
>>318527847
>Russian/Soviet building standards and materials
>tfw everytime i try to make webms they look like shit
Well I played NV for the first time after having previously played 4, 1 and 2 in that order and I must say, Obsidian did a great job
>legion feels like a legitimately "bad" people
>people recognize you for your deeds, like those kings keks constantly giving me fucking squirrel sticks even though I don't need them
>unarmed combat really suprisingly fun
>great track list compared to 4
If only companions weren't so fucking retarded like killing all brotherhood members for Caesar and Veronica barely gives a shit, just telling you to stop quarreling with her senpaitachi
I'd give it an 8/10
>>318526509
Las Vegas is an absolute shit tier place for a city. The place basically only exists for obscure legal reasons. Take away the infrastructure supporting it, by for example wiping out huge parts of the population maintaining them, and there is absolutely no reason to stay there.
>>318527650
Go to the RPG Codex and see how many old timers try to out do each other on how much everything sucks.
>>318528132
Please tell me you didn't fall for the meme and did modded for your first playthrough.
>>318528132
Is 1st person different how the fuck are you attacking so fast? Even at level 30 with slayer and hacker I still can't swing my fist that fast unless it's love and hate.
>>318528193
>dislike bethesda
>you must be old!
>you must be from rpg codex!
>abloo abloo
lel this virgin is mad
>>318528003
For structures? It is.
Rain is the most destructive thing for buildings.
>>318528132
Veronica not instantly flipping her shit at you destroying the BoS is a bug/oversight
>>318527847
https://vimeo.com/112681885
Looks like it's holding up pretty well so far, only shit that's falling apart is the metal crap that is exposed and rusting away from water damage.
>>318528328
I used a guide because I'm fucking retarded when it comes to moddinghttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=475068117
It was all vanilla stuff though, no gameplay changes
>>318528345
I'm using the Greased Lightning in this webm, have the slayer perk too
>>318528442
Technically volcanoes and meteors would do more, but rain is definitely the most likely to fuck anything up in nature.
>>318528442
I would imagine snow is worse than rain.
>>318528345
Looks like Greased Lightning, basically the fastest Unarmed weapon in the game
>>318525992
>grudging consent
Admit your logical crimes hereticTrue to Caesar
>>318528513
Veronica lost all will to live when she realized that her years of fruitless struggle to change the BOS and convince them to recruit wastelanders or make alliances, that ended with her leaving with you were overturned because you did 3 fetch quests and were welcomed into the fold with full Brotherhood status.
>>318528665
Actually no.
Snow isnt as bad as rain as long as it stays snow.
Rain in cold conditions, or melting snow is the worst because it soaks into the material as water, and expands as ice, causing it to fracture and break from the inside.
Its why sidewalks come in squares with gaps between them, to make room for expanding ice
Wouldn't the desert overtake Vegas pretty fucking quickly?
Well Boulder City for one got bombed to hell and back by the NCR
House managed to neutralize almost all nukes, but not exactly every single one of them so the Mojave was still hit. Over the course of time raiders and various other primal tribes settled around Vegas because it was one of the few places in the Mojave that wasn't a barren wasteland, so of course everything was decayed and gone to shit. Actually lots of areas surrounding the strip are still ruins because the fiends roam the area.
And it's not all that far off from reality, just take a look at all the abandoned buildings in DC and all the abandoned Cold War era cities. Places that are actually inhabited are for the most part tidied up and in good condition.
Nobody's going to give a fuck about gas stations or stores in the middle of the fucking desert. It's why towns like Novac, Nipton, Nelson, Goodsprings, etc. exist
>bethdrones try to pick apart New Vegas
>utterly fail right from the fucking start
Fucking kek.
>>318527347
11 nukes did still land in the area, and the first survivors formed the early Raider groups and DID stay in the area and tore it all to shit before spreading out.
People only moved back en masse 7 years prior to NV because House woke up and coraled the 3 Families, and then the NCR tromped in
>>318528368
Not so much.
Chances are I would not like WL2.Just not my type of game.
Do I
1. Go in thread for WL2 and shitpost
or
2. Not play WL2
RPgeezers have a compulsion to let people know they do not enjoy the game you like.
It is fine everybody needs a hobby in their golden years.
>>318528518
And Chernobyl was just a leak of radiation. They stopped it before it could explode and covered it quickly to try and contain the leaks.
>>318529159
>Implying
Every argument against the OP's point boils down to "w-well it's a shitty desert so it makes sense for civilization to stagnate for 200 years despite no radiation, farmable land, clean water and no big threats. What do you mean DC isn't an NCR level superpower when they're in a place with virtually no farmland, virtually no clean water, radiation and a massive amount of Super Mutants barely held back by the local BOS chapter?"
>>318528157
>Take away the infrastructure supporting it, by for example wiping out huge parts of the population maintaining them, and there is absolutely no reason to stay there.
That's exactly why House exists, he validates Vegas still existing. He reconciled the 3 Families who run all the day-to-day operations, maintains the police force of the city, and brokered the alliance with NCR, greatly increasing the number of tourists to the Strip.
>>318528835
No there is gaps in sidewalks because concrete will always crack.
The joint is a designed weak point to control where it cracks.
I do foundations and floors and just giving a heads up.mild concrete autism I guess.
>>318529458
Chernobyl wasnt just a leak of radiation.
The meltdown caused a steam explosion, which is why the radioactive fallout was able to spread so far
What I want to know is, what did they make their goddamn money out of
>>318528513
No, it's not. She doesn't really like the brotherhood all that much. She only turns on you if your rep is super mega negative. If you've done any kind of brotherhood quests before you blow them up, you likely won't get enough bad guy points for it to happen.
However, if you dismiss her, then go talk to her at the trading station, you have the option of telling her you blew them up, at which point she'll attack. You have more options for this if you haven't actually recruited it her before you exploded their bunker.
>>318528442
And sand constantly scouring away at concrete and metal isn't?
>>318529475
>farmable land, clean water
All the water is piped in and we don't even have farms in the mojave in this, the year of our lord 2015 what the shit are you thinking nigger?
>>318529831
Not as much as you would think.
Unless its in an area prone to high winds and sandstorms.
>>318529816
>If you've done any kind of brotherhood quests before you blow them up, you likely won't get enough bad guy points for it to happen.
That's fucking retarded.
>I blew up your home and family but it's okay I brought them some cassete tapes I found on dead guys beforehand.
>>318529816
Yes, that's an oversight. She still loves the BoS because they're her family. No amount of BoS reputation should prevent her from freaking out that you're responsible for murdering them all
The fact she DOES attack you if you let her know should really clue you in on this
>>318529475
>tries to argue against NV by pointing out a bunch of the blatant idiocy in FO3
Great work
>>318529912
Piped in FROM THE HUGE CLEAN RIVER.
Note, the pipes were built by the NCR because 200 years isn't enough for the Vegas shitslingers to build rudimentary aqueducts for irrigation.
>and we don't even have farms in the mojave in this
They sure do have a FUCKTON OF MAIZE, faggot.
>>318529745
Lots of countries are starting to use plastic money these days
>>318528442
Wind is the answer you are looking for.
>>318528132
Man, power armor in FO3/FNV looked like fucking shit.
>>318530078
Pre-War America was running a little short on petrochemicals
>>318529745
Making bills isn't exactly a big secret, it's just a thin paper-cut cloth and an ink press.
>>318530059
The opposite, I'm pointing out that if NV is a shithole despite not having much in teh way of real problems for 200 years, then DC can be excused for being in that state.
Lorefags like to pretend NV wasn't a hole with minor tribal settlements and nothing else for almost 2 centuries because it destroys their most popular argument against DC.
>>318529745
Same shit as we do today. Money is very durable. You might have noticed this in your many years of living.
>>318530183
True, though none look as bad as the only power armor Obsidian made from scratch for FNV though.
>>318530078
What the hell are they going to make plastic with? There isn't any petroleum left.
>>318530208
>their most popular argument against DC
NCR?
>>318530061
>200 years isn't enough for the Vegas shitslingers to build rudimentary aqueducts for irrigation.
You're a retard
There was nobody IN The Mojave until 7 years prior because the 3 Families had just fucked up Vegas itself and then House woke up
>>318529475
>people give all reasons explained in the fucking game as to why the entirety of the Mojave isn't completely civilized
>even though there's lots of towns with established trade routes, farms, a good portion of the Mojave has clean water that comes from the Colorado, and the only real shitty decayed parts are some old Vegas squares that are inhabited by Fiends
>proceeds to ignore all of this and instead tries to excuse FO3's retardation as an argument as to why NV supposedly doesn't make sense
Bethesdrone logic everyone. A fucking chimp could come up with better arguments than you
>>318529954
The reputation system was good on paper but retarded in practice due to disguises only affecting reputation and nothing else.
> Do quests for the Legion
> Get on their bad side
> Put a dead wolf on your head and go back, pretending nothing ever happen
>>318524320
>>318524320
>I guess it's okay when Obsidian does it?
Or maybe you missed the 100+ year gap in which tribals ruled the strip and went on gangraping everything that moved while House was asleep.
>>318530310
You mean this?
>>318530346
Synthetic petroleum
>>318530445
No, that's a slightly edited T45D.
I mean the Advanced Power Armor.
>>318529475
But civilization in the Mojave didn't stagnate, you dumb Bethdrone. It just went a different way to the NCR.
Instead of forming Governments and becoming expansionist, much of the American west evolved into isolated tribal societies. They're not stagnant because they're not camped out in Super-Markets eating tinned food, instead they've progressed into these tribalistic groups that hunt, farm and create settlements, though some are nomadic in nature. The Core Region had several factors going for it that pushed it into a more old-world style civilization, and whilst you might not consider tribes as civilization, it's certainly not stagnant.
Now fuck off, idiot.
>>318529954
Why? You obviously supported some of their ideals at one point. You might even have been a crucial ally responsible for fixing their bunker.
Then the elder pissed you off, or outright told you there would be no peace, so you had to destroy them for the greater good of everybody else in the Mojave.
Maybe you even did Veronica's quest, and heard the elder say that, yes, they're gonna die there in the fucking bunker, and yes, that's how it's gonna be, and nothing will ever change this. He knows it's futile, but he's accepted this reality.
It makes perfect sense that she'd not be ultra mad at you for blowing them up if you were actually on good terms with them up until X point.
>>318524320
Some nukes hit the area, House didn't knock them all out. Regardless, you seen how buildings have decayed in only 20 years in OUR world?
>>318530481
That doesn't look too bad to me. Looks better than the T-51b at least.
>>318530208
I don't think lorefags can pretend that NV wasn't a shithole with minor tribal settlements and nothing else because that's exactly what the lore says it was
but DC is somehow worse, there are no tribes, its infested with FEV mutants, brotherhood, and enclave and there is not even an attempt to explain any of it.
>>318530481
That wasn't made from scratch.
>>318530372
All you're doing is showing the entire class your massive double standards, Obsidiot. Don't get me wrong, there's issues with the worldbuilding in F3, but "Muh 200 years" sure as fuck isn't one, because the Mojave was in an arguably worse and more stagnant state for almost exactly as long until a third party intervened and put shit in order. Just like the Vault Dweller did when he kickstarted the NCR.
>>318530489
No, see, most people would consider it a betrayal of the trust and friendship you had fostered and be even angrier
Especially if you blew the bunker up with the self destruct, hidden deep in the facility, a place you could only get to by abusing your apparent loyalty
>>318530208
But NV isn't a shithole. There aren't people eating pre-war food and surviving off of pre-war scraps. The Mojave was very tribal in nature and had it's own society.
It also doesn't help that most of the raiders ousted from the NCR fled to the Mojave, either.
>>318525665
>90
How many got USA hit with altogether?
>>318525253
>I did not know that.
How? He tells you this himself. Did younot play the game
>>318530560
The model was. And it's literally the worst looking power armor in the entire series.
>>318530787
>>318530481
Fuck you it looks great.
>>318530672
Holy shit are you retarded.
How many times must people say this.
The Mojave had lots of tribal societies and wasn't stagnant, there were settlements built around farms and clean water (i.e Goodsprings) and numerous trade routes throughout the region. People weren't squatting in Super-Duper marts eating Fancy Lad Snack Cakes for survival like the bombs dropped yesterday.
Even the shithole ghettos like Freeside and Westside had their own communities based off of trade lines and supplies.
>>318530928
Of course it does since Obsidian made it :^)
>>318529934
That's pretty much the desert from the Mojave to Nevada. It get's worse without shit really blocking the wind.
Las Vegas is a terrible place
>>318530697
Would betrayal of loyalty be such a crime if it meant eradication of a threat to civilization? Pretty sure that's a good tradeoff.
>>318530976
>The Mojave had lots of tribal societies and wasn't stagnant
200 years of all tribes and no infrastructures IS stagnating, stupid, no matter how many cows they have transporting maize to each other. There was no rebuilding and no efforts to improve quality of life, case in point only when the NCR arrive did they bother making an aqueduct instead of taking water everywhere by cow.
>>318530697
They send a full paladin squad to kill the follower's outpost if she leaves, and the same paladins will pick a fight with you if she stays. It can only be ended by a 95 speech check or violence.
She doesn't even spend any real time near the brotherhood, because her way of thinking and homo tendencies are both seriously looked down upon.
We know this is the intended way to handle her, because other followers, like Arcade, will instantly fuck off if you do the one thing that makes him actually angry. Same with Boone and Cass.
Cass, especially, is extremely picky about your morals, to the point where she'll say 'you're overstaying your welcome' if she sees you steal shit from people.
>>318531343
To other people? Maybe not.
To Veronica? Yes. They were her family.
>>318525576
I'm 20 and I love NV
>>318530928
Hahahaha. That skinny unimposing piece of shit with clipping all over the place that was supposed to represent the most badass armor in the whole series "looked great"?
>>318531202
You've got to be some kind of degenerate to LIVE in vegas, what a horrible depressing place.
>>318525847
Boston actually got hit with one of the few high yield bombs that function more like real world bombs. Most Fallout bombs were low yield carpet bombs or were bunker busters. Most fallout bombs were not rated in the megatons. Boston's bomb clearly was. It was probably from a pre-pre-great war stockpile.
>>318531202
>no big backyards to play in
>houses literally built side by side
>no playgrounds
>hot Mojave climate
>no grass
Glad I don't live anywhere near the southwest
>>318531359
You're missing the point.
People complain about Fallout 3 being stagnant because everyone seems like survivors and looters with no long term settlement, it feels like the bombs dropped recently. it's not just "Why aren't they the NCR"
The people in the Mojave are no longer survivors and scavengers, they're tribals. They adapted to the new world. They have their own traditions and customs, they hunt and farm. That's a post-nuclear society, not post-apocalytpic survival.
By your logic, the Native Americans are bad writing in real life because they didn't form a centralized Government on level with Great Britain or France.
>>318531428
She had already begun to think that she should be on her own, she even gets the courier to help her confirm her choice
Whatever family she had there, she LET GO of a while back
>>318524320
OP didn't even play the game.
Read the fucking lore and then post shitty threads like these.
SPOILER ALERT BELOW FAGGOTS:
>Mr. House said that if he had platinium chip delivered in time he could save WHOLE New Vegas and Mojave. Some of the missles get to the target.
>>318524320
I'll tell you right now 90% of NV fags played that game before any of the other games.
>>318531572
>boston, coastal, CIT, same size city as vegas
>a single bomb, that missed
>vegas, pretty far inland, gambling, the hoover dam sort of nearby
>80+ nukes
China must've really hated gambling.
>Find the Yangtze and general Zao below waiting for help
>Get him his shitty coil and hack the terminal to get the missile
>It's in perfect american english
>Hack the terminal below to get some weapons
>The terminal is again in english and the weapons are a laser rifle, 10mm pistols.
Literally zero effort in designing these areas, what a fucking disappointment.
>What are you talking about faggot? Las Vegas looks exactly the same as it does today >:l
You're a fucking idiot who has never been to vegas if you think it consists of 5 casinos, an airport, and ramshackle shanties spattered here and there.
Also Novac isn't even in Nevada so fuck you.
>>318530787
>And it's literally the worst looking power armor in the entire series.
Nah.
The Fallout 3 Enclave armor is, by far.
>>318531969
Did you play the fallout 3 DLC where you have to fight chinese in a simulation?
Bethesda couldn't even get the chinese right. He big bad general has the worst chinese of all time. It was fucking disgusting, same with the samurai in the alien DLC, who has broken as fuck japanese.
>>318531902
100% of FO3 fags played that game before any of the other games but only a few played NV first.
>>318531784
Yes, she's had a major falling out with the BoS and is coming to terms with the idea of moving on and leaving them to their stagnation.
But she still loves them and cares for their welfare. Her personal quest is trying to convince them to change their ways, to adapt to the situation they're in and survive rather than stagnate and die off.
She gets mad and tries to punch your face in when you inform her you've killed them. This really ought to be all you need to know about what value she places on the BoS.
>>318532017
It IS a shithole though, he got that right
>>318532017
Novac isn't a real world location. Novac is a no vacancy sign with some letters popped off. Dummy.
>>318532228
>that fucking helmet
>>318532017
>Novac isn't even in Nevada
Literally look at the sign, you dense faggot.
>>318525567
Is that Eddie from Iron Maiden?
Novac's Dinky is actually from California
I guess he just upped and walked to the Mojave one day
>>318532250
heres the thing NV is a fallout game, its not better or worse really than any of the others.
![dinky[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kAgefqZ.jpg "dinky[1].jpg")
>>318532394
Amusingly there is a motel in California with a giant concrete T-rex though.
>>318531950
there are a lot of military installations in the Nevada region.
>>318532523
i always assumed dinky was just used as inspiration and it wasn't literally supposed to be the same dinosaur.
>>318532514
kek does look like him
>>318532603
Are you retarded?
>>318526576
Non-military target.
>>318532603
>saying this when FO3 and FO4 exist
>>318532509
Read the thread you moronic shithead
God Obsidiots are fucking gay.
True /v/ cancer. In all it's forms.
>>318532228
Why did Bethesda feel the need to come up with their own shitty designs for power armor like the T-45d and that new Enclave armor? They did it again with the T-60 and even retconned it so it was the most advanced armor before the war instead of the T-51b.
>>318532759
So why is NY nothing but a glowing crater in Fallout?
They've got a copy of New Vegas on display
>>318532678
What does kek mean
>>318524320
>Yet, all the buildings are in ruins, things are run down, and look like utter shit despite not suffering nuclear war.
Wow, I wonder how it is that run down and dilapidated buildings exist in places in real life that haven't been hit with nuclear bombs?
>>318532825
>trying this hard to shitpost
Seriously reconsider your life decisions
>>318532891
It's also purportedly haunted.
>>318532901
>What does kek mean
>>318532831
Very few people realize this, but fallout 3 has more in common with fallout tactics than the other games, including its armor designs.
This makes it double funny when Bethesda later came out and said tactics isn't canon. Todd, please. You have the same god damn armor designs and shitty brotherhood implementation.
>tfw friends want to go to Vegas for gambling and strip clubs
>all I want to do is hike the Mojave, eat some agave and get stung by wasps
>>318530487
nomads are most definitely not civilized.
>>318533119
It's because the idiots looked at the art for Tactics without playing the game, they thought the armor for it was Enclave armor.
>>318530547
One thing FO4 did right was actually made the PA look like big ass suits of mechanical armor because you literally get into it like a vehicle. They're big and bulky and look durable.
>>318527449
there are in point lookout
>>318533272
Which isn't how they work in fallout.
I will give Bethesda a pass on this, because the way they implemented the armor looks pretty neat.
>>318524320
So, you're still living in a house made my Aztecs, right, OP? Or maybe the Mayans? Perhaps the Greeks, Romans, or the Vikings?
>>318533704
>Which isn't how they work in fallout.
How do they work?
Because I've heard both ways, and want to know the truth.
>>318534175
Not a very good comparison
>>318534175
residential buildings being many centuries old is very common in non-american countries
>>318528116
>>318528069
>implying american drywall or paper houses are more durable
Soviet housing was actually tough as fuck because all of it was concrete, often reinforced and not even built from individual bricks, but rather using large premade pieces. It was literally Ikea-tier assembly of buildings.
>>318530445
Looks so tiny compared to the FO4 power armors.
>>318534279
They are armor you put on. They're not gundams. They're a step up from combat armor, and most of the US ground forces were in power armor.
Power armor isn't a magical suit that only the chosen can use. It doesn't require special training. It does require special maintenance and parts that a tribal would never be able to provide, but if he found a dead paladin somewhere, he could take the armor and wear it no problem.
The whole system is designed in such a way any fucking idiot in the US army can use it with minimal training and effort. Just like with real life military equipment.
>>318534175
I know in the US anything over 50 years old is considered historical but here in europe building that are 200+ years old aren't rare.
>>318534175
In my city we still have buildings from hundreds of years ago
Difference is that they get maintenance regularly of course
Who the fuck is going to check the infrastructure of a 200 year old war-torn house in the fucking Mojave? Sure you have settlers and towns and traders and farmers and shit but it's not like there's dedicated people to maintain buildings.
Anyway most of the Mojave is inhabited. Only places that are flat out abandoned are large useless locations in the middle of nowhere or the Vegas squares that have been taken over by the Fiends and every building is just rubble
>>318534991
It actually does require training. You wouldn't know how to use a fucking tank if you got into one would you?
>>318533272
But that's not a Fallout power armor
Bethesda went full retard and made it so that every power armor is an iron man suit.
>>318532831
You know, is there any reason given as to why the US decided to make the T-60 a glorified T-45?
The major difference between the T-45 and T-51 is that they switched to composites as the main material but now the T-60 switches back to steel for no apparent reason.
Obviously the real life reason is that Bethesda likes their own PA design, but is any in game reason given.
There's no actual water tower in the cemetary..that seems unsanitary
On a side note. Fallout 4 is now as bad as Fallout NV. :^)
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-4
>>318531202
>remembers all the games i played and made the housing buildings side by side
i will never build my shit like that again, that image is depressing
>>318535264
It was the new thing. T-51 was obsolete because it was used in Anchorage. Kinda comparable to how T-72 relates to a T-90 with a T-80 inbetweenI'm talking russian tanks here of course
>>318535187
The point is that it wasn't a fucking tank before FO4.
>>318535414
Grids, anon! Grids are the way! Grids are love, grids are life!
>>318534991
I thought it needed training because otherwise you would fight against the servos and such, and it you snap your arms/legs.
I just assumed it was durable armor with an internal powered skeleton to keep the weight off the wearer, and nothing all that special.
>replaying FNV again
>talked to the brahmin rancher in Novac
>"hurr somebody's killing m'cows, I mean m'brahmins"
>accept to handle this
>wait until midnight
>some spooky noises thataway
>what the fuck is that a nightkin
>shoot his dumb head off
>loot his corpse
>a tape
>idiot killed brahmins and recorded their death screams
what the fuck
>>318535187
Do you require 'ballistic vest training' to put on a ballistic vest? No, you don't.
It's the same with power armor. It's an idiot proof upgrade over non-assisted armor, like the combat armor. Most of the brotherhood are stupid as fuck grunts, who have no idea how their equipment actually works, and they have no reason to learn, because there's a special caste that's supposed to maintain it all, and another that researches it and knows all of its history.
As long as you have POWER, and you have a built-in fusion reactor, not Bethesda's batteries, the suit replicates your movements. That's all there's to it. It's not a special gundam armor. It's not a space suit. It's just armor.
It doesn't open up from the back and allow you to step inside it like it's the cartoon Iron man's briefcase power armor suit.
>>318535626
Nightkin have mental disorders from overusing Stealthboys
>>318535626
Don't do Stealth Boys kids
>>318530717
217
>>318535529
>The point is that it wasn't a fucking tank before FO4.
It kind of was. They're huge in the 2D games. The Oblivion engine didn't immediately support something like that, though.
>>318524320
>200 years after the bombs
>200 years with no matanance.
>>318535529
But power armor training was a perk in previous games, it does require know how to properly operate the suit, the NCR version doesn't need training to use because NCR techs strip out the joint servos so you don't need special training to wear it.
>>318535529
It actually was. FO4 is literally the first to make a realistic power armor minus the massive power drain (done for gameplay reasons I imagine).
>>318535673
Power armor isn't a ballistic vest anon. It's a pretty complex thing with a shitload of different gauges and other stuff complicated for a regular civilian.
>>318535673
Where are you getting all this?
Power armor use is intentionally left vague
>>318535605
You're not fighting anything. It's like you're wearning nothing at all, which is the whole reason the thing works in the first place.
If you were fighting something to move, it wouldn't be 'powered' armor.
>>318535845
It's not complicated, and there's not a shitload of gauges or other stuff too complicated for regular civilians, as proven when you repair a suit in fallout 1. You literally repair it right then and there, because the brotherhood master knight guy lends you a power armor maintenance manual, and has a shop full of all the tools needed. If you have 90% in repair, free power armor. If you don't, he'll just mock you.
>>318536224
>because the brotherhood master knight guy lends you a power armor maintenance manual
>maintenance manual
Well shit I guess it ain't so easy and uncomplicated after all
>>318535947
>>318535845
>>318535673
Obviously power armor isn't something as simple as "put on helmet strap on vest". It does require SOME degree of military training to wear properly
That said, it also isn't a fucking spehhs mahreen armor that requires the help of a god damn techpriest and that makes you 10 feet tall. Power armors aren't these huge Iron Man integrated suits that you step into as if it was a mecha, it's armor that you need how to strap on. That's it, nothing more nothing less
>but power armor is supposed to be bulky :^)
Yes but it's not literally a god damn vehicle
>>318535826
Power armor training is something Bethesda invented in an attempt to curb the traditional fallout problem of 'speedrun to the power armor location and then rape the early game like a boss.'
But the way they did it was retarded, and fallout 3 power armor is super shit. It provides less protection than the higher end combat armors, at twice the weight, and with an agility penalty for some reason.
New Vegas used this as legacy content, which didn't matter much, because you'll only ever see power armor when you're around the two factions that can bestow training, and said training is then just a simple quest away.
>>318536450
It is. How do you imagine accomodating all the tech it uses and making it so resistant while making it paperthin?
>>318536450
>military training
I think you overestimate what this means.
A repairman who gets a look at the internals should more or less be able to figure out how it works.
>>318534991
>step up from combat armor
>designed to go face to face with regular tanks and win the fight
hmmm nah, you're wrong.
>>318536450
Mecha have cockpits, and are regarded as piloted.
>>318534279
Not him but Originally, power armor was supposed to be a suit that enhanced your pre existing abilities. It was more like Gray Foxes suit from MGS1, rather than a walking tank suit.
>>318536517
Wait you need a quest? I just found a book about it by a vertibird.
>>318536517
>less protection than the higher end combat armors, at twice the weight, and with an agility penalty for some reason
Even Hellfire and t-51b fail to bring back the power of FO1 and 2.
At least it made sense when you got shot in combat armor and took damage.
>>318536517
Not to mention that you can just use Ranger armor which is just as effective, and you can literally rush that too by running straight north of goodsprings and doing the NCR quests, even if you later want to fuck off and side with Legion
>>318535605
i think you're thinking of halo's armor
>>318536876
Is there concept art reflecting this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA
@0:49
>>318536413
>hey, man, I see you want this here armor. Well, I don't have time to fix this piece of shit, because I'm busy doing something that matters, but if you do this one favor for me, and butter me up, I'll tell you what part you need, and maybe I'll even lend you this manual that'll make it slightly easier to fix it.
That's how valuable power armor is to the brotherhood. It's not sacred or special at all, and a guy who crawled out of his vault yesterday can fix it using elbow grease, a pair of pliers, a wrench, and a black and white M16 operator's styled manual on maintenance.
>>318537121
I believe it was in one of the Bibles.
>>318536883
Nice mods you've got there, anon. In the real game, power armor training is granted at the end of the brotherhood manliness test, OR by the enclave remnants if you do Arcade's quest.
If you get it from the enclave before you meet the brotherhood, the elder has a funny reaction to you already knowing how to use power armor.
>>318537125
That's just shit writing senpai
>>318537121
So in the Fallout universe technicolor never got invented right?
>>318537125
Well maybe it was made to be repairable easily just like guns are supposed to be easy to field strip.
>>318537425
Later it did according to Big MT, but no, not before the war.
>>318537279
>manliness test
It's just a "run to these six locations and run back" quest
Anyway it's obvious Obsidian thought the power armor training was a retarded idea and just tried to handwave it away by making you do a simply ass quest to get it
>>318537425
They had color televisions, but they were rare, as were black and white televions. Fallout is more about radios than computers and television.
>>318537368
I disagree. It enforces the notion that while this might be really special to you, an outsider, to the brotherhood itself, this is just another of many suits that's in need of repair, but it's not as important to fix power armor as it is to make more super sledges and missiles.
>>318524320
>Have to criticize a 6 year old title to defend your precious Fallout 4
How pathetic.
>>318533020
How can you haunt a videogame?
>>318537805
Kill a man with the CD
>>318537935
The what?
>>318535826
>But power armor training was a perk in previous games
well i am glad you didn't include fallout 1 and 2 in those 'previous games' and consider them separate from what the franchise has become. Good on you anon
>>318529458
>Leak of radiation
Nigger the chernobyl shit spread out over half of europe. My other used to tell me how sweet the air tasted the day of that melt down and the country she is from was a good 6,000 km
>>318538016
combat disruptor
>>318538043
It wasn't that bad but people in nearby countries were literally forced to give a "RadX" sorta thing to their children.
>>318529458
>>318538329
It was very bad, and countries like Sweden are affected to this day. We have rather unusual mushroom growths here ever since.
There used to be laws that forbade people from eating too many of them, because they contain exceptionally large amounts of radioactive material. Only so many pounds of mushrooms could be eaten by people every year, but we haven't done that for half a decade now.
>>318538585
Explains a lot doesn't it
>prefer New Vegas writing and content
>prefer 4's gameplay and improvements
>bored of 4 already due to SHALLOW AS FUCK syndrome
>but bored of NV as well because 400 hours invested now
Guess all I can hope for is Obsidian getting rights again to make another subtitled spinoff.
>>318533073
That's a pretty radical sign, looks old yet timeless. Like a futuristic sign from the 70s or something.
>>318538606
Are you serious anon? I live in Poland and we're not affected by that anymore. In fact even back then shortly after the whole thing it turned out not so bad.
>>318535584
Actually looks like something I would build
jesus
>>318538803
Poland isn't known for it's dedication to safety
>>318524320
They explain it in the story as has been shown in this thread.
But the other reason is because they needed to be consistent with Fallout 3.
>>318538803
Looking at this map >>318538585 the concentrations in parts of Sweden seem to be higher than in Poland.
>>318538803
Due to weather, Sweden got more of the fallout
Also Sweden is probably a lot more thorough when it comes to shit like this
>>318539094
I guess that's how the west sees it but you'd be surprised how dedicated to safety Poland is.
>>318539132
>>318539232
Yeah it looks weird as fuck how it somehow travelled this far and managed to completely omit Poland and a few other countries.
>>318539232
>Sweden
>thorough
Pick one
>>318538803
I was very young, but I remember men in green lab suits and rebreathers going around the countryside with geiger counters to check how things were right after it happened.
They kept coming in those suits for many years, but eventually they stopped with the suits, then they stopping showing up completely, and now mushrooms and berries are apparently completely safe to eat.
>>318538606
You need quite a lot of ionizing radiation in a short time to suffer any ill effects.
