Why is PC gaming so ungodly fucking expensive?
>>318493205
Because technology. Still cheaper than most smartphone + contract combos, overall. Much more versatile as well.
It isn't since all my games are free.
>>318493205
I blame the gays
>>318493205
Its only expensive if you want to play shit at ultra settings on high resolutions.
Otherwise theres plenty of builds out there that compete with consoles in price and beat them out in performance.
>>318493205
How is it expensive? I never pay more than 20 bucks for a game.
>>318493551
I don't know, the $1000 barrier to entry?
>>318493205
I heard that Binding of Isaac was good so I had to buy an $8,000 computer from Alienware, then found out I needed to get a Monster gold plated HDMI cable as well.
The guy explained that my PC is outputting a tremendous amount of data, so I needed a high quality cable to avoid losing the quality.
I had to buy a monitor, because I got home and found out I can't plug it into my mac laptop to use the screen, that set me back another $350, then Mouse and Keyboard I was really skimpy with and only spent $100 each (With warranty it came to $250 all up).
Finally get home and realise that THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS IN THE COMPUTER.
What a fuckign scam, I never had this trouble with my PS3 and PS4, fuck Binding of Isaac and Undertale or whatever the fuck. I'm returning all this shit tomorrow.
>>318493205
it isn't though
plus it's versatile with infinite backwards compability and also you can play entire old console's categories or games (emulated) on top of it
>>318493589
>this meme again
>>318493654
FUCK, sorry, I meant to say $1,800, not $8000. Even PC prices aren't THAT outrageous (Well not that I've seen, jesus christ)
>>318493589
You don't have to spend $1000 to get a decent gaming pc.
You can slap a graphics card in a pre built and have it be better than consoles.
>>318493589
but you can build a $400-500 PC that outperforms Xbone/PS4
>>318493654
>paying more than $4 for an hdmi cable
>>318493792
wow what a feat, xbone can't even run just cause 3 at >20 fps
>>318493589
>mfw I just built a top tier PC (Unlocked Skylake, 16gb DDR4, 980 TI, 500 gb SSD 850 EVO SSD, etc...) for 1200$
>1000$ entry barrier
Hue okay.
>>318493756
How better? Not by much, which is the point.
There is a paywall to performance, stop pretending like there isn't.
If you're going with a $400 PC you should just go with consoles for the extra games.
I started off with PC gaming because console gaming was too expensive for my family and the family computer was all we had
>>318493589
I built screaming fast gaming PCs for my parents for ~$750 each. You can very easily get a mid-range PC for much less.
Plus you need to remember that PCs aren't consoles; they're not one-trick ponies that only play games. Most people do absolutely everything they need on desktops. Unless you're shitting your paycheck through your phone every month, you're very likely using a computer already. Might as well make it a good one and save money by not buying consoles on top of it all.
Prudent consumers buy the most versatile products that can satisfy multiple needs at once.
ITT: we don't understand how to periodically update our systems
you start out with a shit rig, you only future proof the motherboard. get stuff you can afford at first.
then slowly over time you upgrade piece by piece just like every other American guy. it's not fucking rocket science guys.
>>318493589
I paid 700€ for my PC and I don't use it just for video games. Seems like a good price to me, considering games are way cheaper.
>>318493880
seriously?
>>318493895
That 400$ PC can also be used for a lot more than just gaming & streaming TV shows, can't say the same for consoles.
>>318493930
Protip: people that don't do this very often have no idea how to stop themselves from ending up in a dead end upgrade path.
Spent 1k on gaming PC 4 years ago. Play thousands of dollars worth of games for free. Tons of free movies and software. Tought myself how to use Solid Works quite well.
YAR HAR MORALFAGS IM SMARTER THAN YOU
>>318493895
Computers can still do a lot more than consoles
I will never understand normie logic
>PCs can do so much for $500-$800
>TOO EXPENSIVE
>run off to buy $400 consoles with overpriced games and a monthly subscription fees
>still need to get a $500 iPad or $1300 Macbook to do computer stuff
>>318493917
>Prudent consumers buy the most versatile products that can satisfy multiple needs at once.
The entirety of Japan says otherwise. I too seperate my personal files/organization and planning from my gaming machine and in my opinion they should be separate.
The advantage consoles have over PC anyway is they're going to get a lot of games PC will miss out on. And it has a cheaper entry point of $300 + 2 games now.
Wow look guys, all I have to do is mail in a bunch of dumb bullshit to Newegg and they'll send me prepaid Visa cards 3 months later! What a return on my investment!
>>318493895
but you get thousands of games spanning generations of gaming, instead of... bloodborne
jealous much?
>>318493895
I'd rather buy whatever pc i could afford and upgrade as i went along.
How is it appealing to buy a console thats already at a disadvantage and is only falling farther behind?
>>318493654
Are you stupid or trolling? I honestly can't tell.
>>318493205
If you guys want to talk about expensive, try tabletop gaming. I've seen people throw down 200~ on models for one list that they'll use rarely. I'm not even talking about 40k either which is a bigger sink.
But I think this is all about how you define value and how much use you can get out of soemthing. I just spent about 2k on a PC and I honestly feel like its a good value and kick myself for not doing so early. Then again I'm coming from having a pos from 2006 to having something new and good now so theres an extreme there.
I threw down about $250 for a 3ds just for MH4U. I'll probably throw down about $600 for a ps4, fight stick, and another copy of Xrd just have access to nextgen anime fighters. Thing is, I play this stuff daily, so I get a lot of use out of it, so that makes the money spent on it worth.
>>318494043
i used 6gb of RAM until i could afford 16. also i picked up a used r9 290 before i could afford my 980.
being bad with money is a separate issue that has nothing to do with computers.
>>318494084
Built my PC for $1700 back in 2010 and it's still going. I only upgraded to an SSD and a more modern graphics card, it's great
>>318494105
Japan doesn't into PCs because a large majority of them live in DF style houses with very little space. Essentially closets with plants for rugs which is incidentally how they measure floor space.
>>318494098
We buy consoles to play games not to use microsoft excel.
Most of these 'features' are irrelevant and can be achieved easier for cheaper on different platforms. You don't buy a console for features, you buy it for its ability to play games, be supported for it's life cycle and to play games.
PC clowns always back peddle with this 'features' shit, every single time.
>>318493930
>>318494043
I don't understand how you're supposed to learn this in one lifetime. You'll probably do it 3 times before you realize it's a mistake and by then you've already been PC gaming for 1/3rd of your life.
>>318494235
No, I'm pretty sure people buy consoles for its features.
>>318494154
Its always funny to me when people include monitors in their price estimation. Guess Consoles cost 500+ because you have to buy a tv also.
>25k for a gaming PC that barely outperforms the ps4/xbone
>PCfags will defend this
>>318494235
>Most of these 'features' are irrelevant and can be achieved easier for cheaper on different platforms
So you mean a computer?
Just spend your money smart and you could have one of those that also has the feature of playing games better than consoles for not much more
>>318493205
They get lower yields on the highest end chips, and they also use premium pricing on them to pay for their R&D, because people that will buy the highest end are price insensitive.
>>318494235
>You don't buy a console for features, you buy it for its ability to play games
Guess that's why most people who buy a PS4 just use it for netflix or some shit.
This also explains why the PS4 and Xbox One have no games yet are popular, but the Wii U has a handful of good games yet isn't selling.
>>318494296
>remove the monitor
>it's still over a thousand dollars
>>318494160
90% of which everybody has already played 10 years ago or can literally playe elsewhere for cheaper.
People simply don;t buy current gen consoles for backwards compatability, just because your platform doesn't get new games doesn't mean this basic reality isn't relevant.
>>318494154
If you're spending a thousand dollars on something, an extra hundred or so isn't really anything.
>>318494181
Fucking this, I tried to get into 40k but jesus christ fuck the prices of minis.I didn't even play the tabletop, I just liked painting and thought it was relaxing
>>318494296
Gotta include the cost of furniture, internet, HVAC, house, etc.
>>318494369
>I made a computer that costs a certain amount of money
>it costs the amount of money that it costs
Come on people, I mean it's 2015!
>>318494235
I emulate old games. I can't do that on anything else but a PC. You might argue that I can do that on handheld devices, but that's a complete waste of time because they can't emulate everything available like the PC can.
It also has the side effect of expanding the already incomprehensibly massive PC game library.
>>318494369
Math is hard
>>318493205
Its not.
Barrier to entry can be high, but its less than a console + shitbox facebook machine that most people have in the house. But even if you jump in at a higher amount over time you save money with cheaper games and longer lasting parts. When the new gen hits you can still play shit and maybe only upgrade one or two parts if that.
Yes 1000 is probably what you are looking at to really get started with a beast of a machine that plays games on high, but you can start with a modest but good case for around 60, a good motherboard and starter CPU, and modest GPU around 150 will out before a console.
As you get more into it you bump up the GPU or add ram etc, but getting started is maybe a 100 or two more than a console if you play it right.
>>318494235
>PC clowns always back peddle with this 'features' shit, every single time
but the difference is that PC gamers have, as stated several times in this thread, literally thousands of more games to play spanning generations of both PC games and almost all previous generation consoles' games through emulation
there's literally no excuse to buy a console over a PC in this day and age
HOWEVER, owning a console next to a good PC is acceptable...
>>318494467
I'm not counting the fucking stupid mail-in rebates that don't even get processed half the time
>>318494235
It's a way to cope and to justify the purchase. I am not willing to shell out extra for a console after having gotten a PC, so I would rather have it do the rest.
Personally, my PC is where I listen to muzak as well, on top of doing all shitposting. You are not likely to shitpost here on your PS4 or xbone.
That and I really hate how that the choice of peripherals on the console is a bit limited. As said in the other thread, I can use cronusmax to use other peripherals in emulating I guess, but if I do that, then I might as well as to game on PC instead.
>>318494395
The argument console buyers will use to justify buying one over pc.
>>318494380
>People simply don;t buy current gen consoles for backwards compatability
Which is why people were complaining that current gen consoles weren't backwards compatible and why Microsoft added backwards compatibility to the Xbone
>>318494321
>350w PSU
My sides! Out of all the intentionally fucked up shit in that image, this got me the most.
>>3184943384
Why would I fork out $1000 to use computer features which I use elsewhere, for cheaper just so I can run MGSV at 60fps at 1080p exactly like the PS4 runs it? And on top of that, loose acess to an entire line up of games for 2016 onwards.
>MFW PC gamers try to justify how expensive their gaming PCdont waste your time brother, you are smarter and richer for being a part of the master race
>>318494380
>just because your platform doesn't get new games doesn't mean this basic reality isn't relevant
but PC has gotten the majority of good exclusives, ever
there isn't a console game that i can't emulate that i'm missing on my PC, especially now that dragon's dogma is coming (as a vastly enhanced 1080p 60fps first time experience, so we still win-win as usual)
>>318494321
>no poptarts
Why even bother?
>>318494178
if you can't tell you're the stupid one
>>318494368
>but the Wii U has a handful of good games
PC and wiiU idorts.
The two worst consoles.
>>318494543
>just so I can run MGSV at 60fps at 1080p exactly like the PS4 runs it
pls be b8
>spend 1000 dollars on a PC
>can't play arkham knight at a smooth framerate
>>318494543
>consolefags don't think there are framerates and resolutions beyond 1080p 60 fps
>they don't even realize that PC usually has better graphics
>they don't know that you have more input options on a PC
>>318494635
Literally no reason to buy a PS4 or Xbox One if you have a Wii U and PC.
>>318494390
You can do that with other miniatures from other companies. A box of anything from almost anyone else will be a good hobby project. Whereas a box of dudes for $80 feels like it better be more than just a way to pass the time, cause now we've entered drug costs.
>>318494635
>Uncharted
>The Order
>The Last of Us
opinion discarded
>>318494478
He'll just shit over emulation though. It's something that I care about because I want to play some PSX, SNES and PS2 games along with a few PSP titles. Buying up all of these consoles isn't really expensive, but I still rather pool my money into having better Video card and to have the PC run these titles via emulation instead.
>>318494671
But the reason people hated the PC port of AK was because it was as shitty as the console versions, not worse.
>>318494289
the only mistake i made on my last build was getting a mobo that was on it's way into obsolete, an 1155. but it was a bundle value, so i couldn't pass it up.
money comes and goes, i'm gonna make more, spending it isn't a big deal.
Americans are just in financial shock, so they second guess everything.
Yeah I realized PC gaming is one of those edgy phases you go through a teenager. Then you become an adult and go back to console gaming.
>>318494738
Sorry to say, but the PS4 version of Arkham Knight runs like a dream.
>>318494671
Exactly. The shitty port deserves to crash and burn. Mad Max that was in beta ran smooth as silk on the other hand.
What? You are actually right.
>>318494672
Console fags think they can buy a 4k tv and have their console play games at 4k with no issue.
>>318494794
So it runs at a steady 60 fps?
>>318494840
yes, jesus. things change or are we too stupid to realize this as well?
>>318494730
>>318494478
You don't need a $400 computer to emulate up to the wii or play 90% of PC games. That's why I said, all the PC features can be carried out elsewhere and for cheaper, not to mention most are looking forward and dont really want to play half life for the 20th time.
>>318494756
I am kind of too cheap to pay for the PSN. You got kids that are sharing your account with you or something? I can't justify it as it's just me, so I don't think of gaming on console.
>>318494840
silky smooth cinematic 24fps
>>318494671
but AK is a dog turd of a game even without the bugs
>>318493205
PC-WiiU master race.
>>318494390
Okay dude if you ever listen to ANY ADVICE EVER about getting into tabletop minatures listen to this.
Don't fucking buy anything until you've finished that box you just opened. Paint Everything. Take it slow dude because it's a long term investment of your time.
>>318494895
B-B-BUT I DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO PLAY IT
>>318494881
Do you have a video of this?
>>318494756
>you become an adult and go back to buying the inferior, more expensive thing. That's clearly the more mature thing to do.
>>318494889
I sincerely doubt most people have played most PC games, there's just too many
>>318494889
I do need a computer for that. I cannot have an android phone do more than emulating SNES.
>>318494927
but it's true. Arkham Knight is an absolute lazy abomination of a video game. There must be better examples of good games not available on PC
>spend $400 on a console
>spend $200 on a shitty computer for general purpose shit
Why not just combine the cost and get a half decent PC that can do everything?
>>318494902
Mah nigga. The Wii U is the most fun I've had with a console since the SNES era.
>>318494756
I bet you let your normie gf convince you to buy a crossover or minivan or something
>>318493205
>Spend 400€ to build an APU machine and another 100€ for monitor
>It runs 95% of the games released for PC because of indies, backwards compability and lightweight online games
>Being a PC, it can also do a ton of other stuff
>hurrdurr PC gaming two expensivue back to my ps4
>>318494962
I am somewhat ashamed to say that I will never get through the humble bundle backlog that I got sitting in steam, and I've yet touch the origin games or the Uplay titles at all.
>>318494915
I only bought one pack at a time. I was like 13 and didn't have a lot of disposable income.
>>318494715
Only reason I got into tabletop was because of the DoW games. I fucking love how over the top the 40k world is. If I ever paint minis again, It will be 40k even if GW dicks me on the price.
>>318494645
PS4 literally runs MGSV at 1080p at 60fps.
Yeah, but yeah we don't actually reallyare, most haven't even noticed, I didn't even notice until somebody told me and I'll only bring it up when PC clowns try to shit on consoles performance as if it is relevant to us when it's not.
>>318494672
>Pretending you can achieve 1220p 140 fps within a $300 price bracket
>Implying most people don't just want to play games for a reasonable price and not piss away thousands in becoming a PC enthusiant professional meme poster
>>318494990
That makes too much sense
And theseretards are buying $500 iPads and not $200 computers
>>318494915
The world has gotten extremely lax on painting requirements, I think only GW stores had some semblance of that but they're at a point where theyre discouraging players from playing in their store. Other than that, most tournaments and pick up games no one gives a fuck about painting.
>>318493205
It's only expensive if you're looking at it from a strict gayman only persepctive.
>>318495119
It drops frames and looks like ass
>>318495081
40keks setting is great, but god the jewing. The ticket price to get in on the club is just prohibitively expensive. You can spend less to have a go at it with a hooker than setting up a proper army.
>>318494384
>10% isn't a lot
pls take an eco credit
>>318495119
...But you said 1000 dollar PC would run it just like the PS4. You never mentioned 300 dollars anywhere.
If you think it's expensive, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epIlB49SNTI
For 150 bucks you have a decent gaming system with 16gb of ram.
Why do PC gamers care about muh resolution when all PC gamers are blind as fuck from staring at their PC screen all day so it doesn't matter anyway?
>>318495119
PC does let you do the whole 21:9 resolution that you don't get to do on a console, but that's for a niche audience (such as a memester like me, pic related)
Yes, you are looking at me playing a kusoge made originally for the Vita and now on PC.
>>318495186
Not interested in paying upwards of a thousand dollars to gain a couple frame and loose access to exclusives 2bh.
>I can't possibly spend more than the price of a console on my hobby
>but I can spend 60 dollars a year for access to the internet connection I already pay for
wat
PC/console comparisons never consider the cost of ownership.
PC is the far better deal. For a little more money, you get upgradability, no walled gardens/paid online, cheaper games, Steam deals and humble bundles, backward compatibility with almost everything, emulation, piracy.
Console owners are being ripped off but they still think they got the best deal.
>>318493895
>>318487131
>>317744369
>http://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/315246309/#315265339
>http://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/318340589/#q318344940
Someone's a little obsessed.
>>318493205
bought this for my friend and im going to put it together for him
how fucked his he?
>>318495081
Lucky you.
I was that kid that got everything he looked at in the store.
So yea.
>>318495131
Yea but...
How can anyone even stand playing with grey? Fully painted armies are just tops.
I just finished the last fex for my 4k Tyranids a couple months ago and I'm pretty fuckin happy with them.
>>318495321
>thousands of dollars
>lose a couple exclusives
>>318495187
Are they even making a profit anymore? I honestly don't see why anyone would invest in such an expensive hobby these days, especially one like 40k tabletop which isn't exactly "in" with the masses. They can only keep Jewing so much until increased prices eventually hurt them more than they help.
>>318493589
>$1000 is a lot
spotted the fat unemployed faggot
>>318493205
Please stop making sonygger spawner thread. Please. Just stop.
I've always played console games as a kid, but I eventually got a PC. What I noticed is that PC gaming is actually better for console games than consoles are. All of my favorite games can be played on PC, but I can use whatever controller I want, I get options like filters and the ability to not stretch the game to fit my screen (which distorts everything and makes it look ugly), I can use rom hacks for some of my favorite games (thus, giving them entirely new levels, new enemies, etc.; making them feel like new again), etc.
Even if you aren't interested in PC exclusives, PC is still better because you get the best versions of all your favorite games, and the best versions of multiplats. And I can also play Diablo 2 on top of that.
>>318495323
Nobody said the ps+ sub isn;t jew as fuck but it isnt a mandatory cost and the entry to PS4 is still cheaper and nets a lot more current gen games.
>>318495253
He's saying a PS4, which you can find for $300 nowadays, can perform better than any PC that you can get for the same price
he's correct
>>318495276
Come on. Not like you do any better when you are staring at a cell phone at any rate. Your eye strain is a bit less on a decent monitor at any rate.
Resolution counts though. I do find 4k gaming to be laughable, but the higher pixel density with larger scaling really eases on the eye strain.
>>318495323
>>318495342
lel these
>>318493589
>$1000 is entry level
i built my rig over amost 2 years ago for $800 and it'd still be considered top tier
>>318495405
they are all done with the blood souls dlc so they have nothing else to do
>>318495256
>you can buy parts and tape them to a piece of cardboard
lmaoooooooooooooooo not a rig
>>318493654
>HDMI
already obsolete you fucking poor faggot
>>318495187
On top of the price, theres also no guarantee you'll that what you own will still be viable, and I mean viable in that it's a legal support list to be played, not in a competitive manner. GW has just dropped support for armies before. Then redid armies that didn't include older units. Then theres what they did to Fantasy.
Generally, with any tabletop game, the rules are subject to change between edition, but your dudes will still have a profile going into every edition. In a weird way, if you're playing a good tabletop game, you have something that doesn't have an expiration date, so it's got great value for that. On top of the whole social aspect if your group is cool people.
>>318495401
It's a lot more than $400. Being employed doesn't make you wealthy, being smart with the money you get from it does.
>>318495276
>all PC gamers are blind as fuck from staring at their PC screen all day so it doesn't matter anyway?
That's hilarious coming from console fuckwads who claim there isn't a percivable difference between 30 and 60 fps
Also funny how "muh resolution" only matters when it's a console exclusive and PS4 has 1080p and the Xbone doesn't. Of couse as soon PC gets its version hurr durr it's suddenly doesn't matter. Fuck your double standards you stupid cunt.
>$1000+ pc
>no games
>only LoL, Dota2, CSGO, and shitty MMOs
LOL
>>318495428
>Why would I fork out $1000 to use computer features which I use elsewhere, for cheaper just so I can run MGSV at 60fps at 1080p exactly like the PS4 runs it?
>$1000 to use computer
>just so I can run MGSV at 60fps at 1080p exactly like the PS4 runs it?
>$1000
>computer
>exactly like the PS4
How does it feel to be illiterate?
![p159752_p_v7_as[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FiwAIWO.jpg "p159752_p_v7_as[1].jpg")
>>318493205
>they are still going
top kek
Pic related my favorite ps3 game
>>318495349
You don't need an i7 or 16gb or RAM for gaming
Get a 256gb SSD and a HDD for storing games, they aren't limited by hard drive speeds
It's better to spend more money on a single nicer monitor than a pair of crappy ones
>>318495475
So GW is using the rulebook is a form of planned obsolescence?
>>318495525
being employed as the bag boy at target doesn't make you wealthy****
>>318493886
how?
peripherals add to cost
>>318493205
Expend ~800€ every 2-3 years (if you build up a complete new one) with all the freedom + features. Yeah, so expensive, not even comparable to buy a 400-500 dollarinos in a console + online + 60 zeny on every game. RIGHT? RIGHT!? I despise people like you.
>>318495428
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kxJgGX
That build will absolutely destroy ANY Console released and will run most games good if they're not a piece of shit.
>>318495625
>~800€ every 2-3 years
uh yes that's pretty fucking expensive senpai
>>318495342
>he thinks 1 single person has coined the term ''paywall to better performance''. The guy in your pic is a literal autist but you're really reaching for straws otherwise.
Also funny you talk about ownership. You only temporary digital licenses on games you buy from steam. Once those servers go belly up you loose your games. I receive physical tangible goods I can return within 7 days or re-sell at a later time.
Stop talking abotu upgradibility, cheaper games, steam deals, bundles, its irrelevant. These are non-points, trivial garbage or outright bullshit and it's only you back peddling.
Keep the discussion about games because that's what this discussion is ultimately about. PC has no games.
Sorry.
>>318495614
>moues and keyboard for $12
>>318493589
I'd say that $700 is the low line. You can easily get a capable PC for less, but if you save up a bit more you'll get one that will be able to play most modern games for a few years time.
>>318495276
>>318494532
Yeah, and people are gloating that the PS4 will have PS2 emulation.
>>318495690
Most people don't build a new computer from scratch every 2 years. I've only upgraded my graphics card every other year
Don't you guys just talk FUCKING GAMES?
I'm sick looking this kind of thread on /v/
It doesn't matter which platform you're game on.
/thread
>>318495556
And you know like
All the multiplats
And really good RPGS
And better porn.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw5xEsQQE9U&
better than ps4 already kek
>>318495418
Also, I forgot to mention a few things. It's nice having everything on one convenient system. If all my favorite games can be played on PC, then why would I keep out all my old consoles, just so the games can look worse and I don't get to use my controller of choice? There's no point in playing around with all those shitty wires just for the novelty of playing them on the original consoles. Of course, most console drones are traditionalists and purists so they don't care and don't think this is a good point. I'd rather have the more convenient, more practical item, than the sentimental item.
Another thing. PC gaming is actually more convenient than console gaming. You cannot get more convenient than making 3 clicks and instantly being in a game. With consoles you have to play around with stupid physical copies of games and switch disks around, and the games load much more slowly. Consoles are seen as more convenient by most people, but this is a common misconception. PC is actually more convenient.
>>318495614
scoping black friday deals like a hawk, and based microcenter. I already had a keyboard and mouse though.
>>318495790
>you're game on
>you are game on
>>318495559
He's saying you can run MGSV at 60fps at 1080p on a $300 PS4 exactly like you can a $1000 PC
>>318495697
If you define multiplat titles as the only ones that can be called games, and if you define the PC-specific genre such as MOBA, hardcore sims, turnbase and RTS as dead genres, then I can't disagree with you. If anything, I totally agree.
>>318495603
Yeah, it's been this way for a while. They did it to a bunch of large tyranid models. They never made the models, so a model company made them, meaning GW wasn't making money off those models. Next tyranid book doesn't feature those models.
>>318493205
Maybe I got lucky, but my PC cost me around $500 and I threw in another $100 for a new monitor for it around 3 years ago and my computer is considerably "shit", but it still runs everything I throw at it at top settings in 1080 and 60fps at least.
The most recent upgrade is a 2gb amd gpu that ran me $60
Still running beastly
PC gaming isn't that expensive if you think about your decisions before buying a PC
>>318495803
>on a console
>buy a physical copy of a game
>put it in expecting to play it
>have to wait and hour for it to download and install a massive update
>>318495697
>"PC has no games"
>Sonyggers trying this hard to deflect a meme targeted on them.
>>318494154
>WiFi adapter, but no SSD
Enjoy your PC being old before it even arrives.
Console fags can't do this.
PC gaming is a luxury that nets you benifits that may be useful for you. Like for me, I prefer nice framerates, graphics, and keyboard + mouse. If a console suits your needs then fine. Its like cars. Most drive a car cause they need it, some get pretty cars cause they can afford it and like it.
>>318495970
If you're going to do that, just get one large monitor and pull out your field of vision. That shit looks ugly as fuck.
>>318495970
>DayZ
LMAO isn't that the game where that Rocket guy scammed all those people into buying an early release game and never updating it? The one that is still in Alpha like 2 years later?
>>318494321
>Dat PSU
Worst part is that people actually do this.
I honestly just want someone to build a PC for me.
Like, a prebuilt, but not shitty and overpriced.
>have $2,000 PC
>still enjoy my PS3 and Xbone as well
Why can't we all just get along, brothers?
>>318495608
If you wanna spend over twice as much on a system that performs only marginally better at performing visual entertainment to fuel your hobby, then good for you. It's still not a wise purchasing decision. Someone who makes thought out and reasonable purchases is always going to have more money than someone in the same line of work who doesn't.
>>318496036
I went with PC gaming because it was literally the cheapest option for my poor ass
Then I got some money but stuck with PC gaming and got a niceish sports car instead of generic as fuck econobox or luxury sedan
>>318495697
>PC has no games.
>sonyggers trying this hard to deflect his own meme
amazing , not even the jews were this butthurt.
>>318495351
It's more of just wanting play something over painting it. When you start playing in a way to test things out, you end up buying a lot of shit. Not even in a competitive mindset either. It's more like pay to play. Since most tournies don't give a fuck about painting, mostly just getting the shit to be able to use it. And like I said, just don't plan on dying and you'll eventually paint it all.
>>318495697
>I receive physical tangible goods I can return within 7 days
Stop reading right there. You cannot return opened console games to any retailer. Even fucking digital distributors like Steam and Origin let you return the game for a full refund within 2 weeks. PSN and XBL offer no such recourse.
>You only temporary digital licenses on games you buy from steam
Funny way of spelling PS+. Where you liscenses are actually temporary and based on how long you pay for the service. Leave it to a dipshit sonygger to lie about steam games and call them temporary.
Console compatibility with older titles is a real sore point. You spent quite a bit building up that library, and not to have the compatibility is really troublesome.
Make no mistake. PC doesn't mean automatic compatibility. It's just that if I am on a PC, then I have more tools at my disposal to play older titles. Hell, worst comes to worst, I can run a virtual machine to emulate Windows 95 games if need be, and I can go so far as to run no$gba on dos emulation mode to play GBA games inside a virtual machine.
I am not going to call that convenient at all. It's doable though, but the onus is all on the user and the community, instead of the console maker to play old games.
>>318496036
This completely to be honest. Simply different strokes, people choose different platforms for different reasons and it's fine.
>>318496097
Be friends with someone who is good with computers. Don't be a total retard, though. They'll start hating your guts eventually if you keep pestering them for free service.
>>318496154
Yea, that's fair enough too.
I'm probably just projecting what I would have done if I was smart about it.
>>318496158
>You cannot return opened console games to any retailer
I thought everyone except my dad knew this
>tfw he bought me Devil May Cry for my PS One
He meant well, so I kept it
>>318496104
Because there's no drama then.
Sigh. I actually want to play Haylo5 and see Haylo back on PC. It's too bad that MS wouldn't allow it.
>>318495587
you are literally suggesting to me to get a LESS powerful computer, and spend the money on a better screen which really doesnt matter that much
that is literally retarded
I guess I have to spell it out for you people.
>>318496252
Your dad sounds bro tier.
>>318495659
>$549
That's still over 50% more costly than a full priced brand new PS4 bundled with a game
>>318496148
>not even the jews were this butthurt
Holy fuck I'm gonna start using this line
>>318496148
>>318495928
Name a single AAA PC exclusive released this year worth building a $1000 PC for.
I'll wait.
>>318496158
You can return opened games to retailers at any time. You just say it doesn't work properly and that's it. I can play the game for 480 hours and still get a return. You have a 2 hour window and cannot return it under any circumstances after that point.
>Funny way of spelling PS+
Stopped reading there. Moving the goal posts.
>>318496104
Pretty sure most people do this.
Mostly kids that can't afford things are this insecure and worried about getting maximum cheapness.
>>318496060
Games been updated many times, but i do believe they've turned their attention to taking it to console to keep the fags happy.
>>318494990
If you want a facebook and porn machine. Why not just get a android/Win10 tablet with a bluetooth keyboard?
If you bought an Xbox 360 on release and paid for Xbox Live every month since then, you paid $480 just to play online. With the price of the 20gb console package, that'd be $840.
>>318496294
Because an i7 and more RAM aren't going to do fuck all for gaming, you're throwing your money away.
If you still want to spend the same amount of money, use the money you saved on the CPU and RAM and get an even better graphics card.
I'm saying this as someone with an i7 and 18GB of RAM
>>318496231
It's a nice goal to have, and it is really nice to watch two 100% painted forces go at it.
>>318496323
>$549
>over 50% more costly than a full priced brand new PS4 bundle
Sonyggers cannot into math
>>318496456
>$840
$880 even
Not counting the 2 years since the Xbox One has been out.
Roll out imminent.
PC damage control imminent.
I simply cannot wait lmao. Once December hits its literally all over for PC gaming. Bask in what pseudo superiority your $1000 space stations have now because it's going to be short lived my dear, dear PC secondaries.
>>318496373
>>318496373
>this shit again
any sane beginner with a bit of knowledge can try to keep it under 1k.
Also, Total War
>inb4 dead genre
Those are RTS, faggot
>>318495697
>implying you're not just one massive autist spamming threads and spewing anti-pc maymays
Don't even try you collosal faggot. You've already used your "we don't care about 1080p MGSV" "argument" multiple times. You're not convincing anyone.
>>318494543
>>318495119
>>318343489
>>318316291
>>318496523
>POST YFW SONY WON
>>318496459
Agreed. I am saying this with an old Sandy Bridge i7 and 16GB of ram as well.
>>318496373
>Name a single AAA PC exclusive released this year worth building a $1000 PC for.
Talked to you in a thread yesterday you fucking retard. I guess you didn't learn that PCs don't work like that; we don't see a PC as something where you spend $1,000 for one game, in the same manner that you see a PS4 as something where you spend $460 for one game.
The PC has so many games that you don't build a $1,000 PC just for one game you fucking idiot. See you in the next thread making the same wrong point again. I'll be there to debunk it again and you'll be there to be wrong and lose the debate again just like you always do. You've never brought up a single good point ever in any of these threads. One of the hugest fucking idiots I've ever seen on the internet. You should be embarrassed.
>>318496523
>the "literally who?" of video game titles
>>318493589
I dunno, that would be a good argument if people would not need computers in everyday life for banking, and work already. Also for education its nearly necesarry to have a computer nowdays.
And for all those things people ussually buy a cheap 500-600$ pc. But if you want to play games on ultra settings, instead of buying that pc you are going to add 200-300$. So the entry barrier for ultra quality gaming is around 200-300$, as you are going to buy a pc either way.
>>318493654
Wow, 350$ for a screen? Thats a steal, i bet it was either a black friday sale or you did not even get a huge 144hz screen. Honestly if you dont spend at least 1000$ on a screen dont even bother.
>>318496480
350 x 1.57 = $549.50
It's 157% the cost. It's 57% more costly
>>318496523
>Space station
>>318496576
>Space station
It's not even subtle, Jesus christ. How can one person be this pathetic?
>>318496323
With twice the benchmark.
This generation of consoles suck not because they are plain obsolete shit boxes with parts from 2006.
It's that they didn't even fucking bother to make the hardware custom to the system and tried to go half console half pc hybrid bitch clone.
Which they failed out of when they figured out that would actually cost money, so they just ship the order out to China and slap their dick against your wallet.
Either way consoles would be better now if the price was higher for a more adjustable and longer lasting piece of hardware.
Reminder that they released these new consoles with a 5 year lifespan when they already 5 years obsolete then waste the first 3 years with promises of games.
Don't worry guys all them nice games coming winter 2016. Year 4 on an console release that has 9 years of obsolete hardware now.
>>318493205
PC is the objective best platform to play
>open
>graphic Options
>controll options
>backward with old consoles
>no internet fee
consoles are the subjetive ones
>no options
>play the game the same as other console users
>if the game is below your standarts there's nothing you can do.
>pay a fee to play Multi
If you want the best of two words buy both , but there's no denying PC is the objective best platform.
>>318496617
NOT A SINGLE GAME
>>318496265
>>318496379
I stopped letting stupid shit bother me. Yeah, the frame rate, resolution, and graphics could be way better on my consoles compared to my PC, but people who buy consoles for graphical reasons are retarded to begin with.
>>318496605
>old as fuck i7's
>b..b..b. but i7's dont help for gaming!!!!
ok grandpa haha time for bed
>>318496523
I am too cheap to pay for PSN.
I will wait till it's available on PC a few years down the road.
>>318496650
>Also for education its nearly necesarry to have a computer nowdays.
okay let me just take my desktop PC to college
>>318496687
*features
*features
*features
Games?kek
>>318495323
basically , that's why i never reply to console only owners faggots.
>>318493895
>If you're going with a $400 PC you should just go with consoles for the extra games.
>go with consoles for the extra games.
>consoles
>extra games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PC_exclusive_games
>>318496523
>Bask in what pseudo superiority your $1000 space stations
>>318488007
http://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/317088707/#317092048
This is just getting embarrasing.
I've never had a console last more than 3 years and still keep good framerate on the newest games.
>>318494178
Pretty sure you're the retard here for asking that.
>>318496720
I actually should. it's not good for my health to stay up through real nigger hours. Thanks for the reminder son.
>>318494235
my brother bought a ps3 for Fifa, CoD and to play DVDs
you're full of shit
>>318496523
Massive butthurt PC defence force imminent
toppity kek
>>318496720
It's still overkill for gaming, a Sandybridge i5 is more than enough.
Modern CPUs haven't really had any major increases in performance, it'be been like ~5% bumps for the last 5 years, so literally nothing in terms of practicality
>>318496760
Plenty of exclusive PC games and multiplats along with full libraries of most consoles. Also arcade games.
>>318496872
and vidya hasn't advanced that much in thenon graphicsprocessing department either.
>>318496760
both have games anon.
>muh no gaems joek
>>318496523
>lmutlipats there
>deep down
just lol
>>318496373
>You can return opened games to retailers at any time. You just say it doesn't work properly and that's it. I can play the game for 480 hours and still get a return
Why lie? I mean literally everything you're saying is objectively false, no outlet will accept used console games you played for 480 and give you a full refund for it.
Stop shitting yourself jfc
>>318494671
who cares just stare at Harley Quinn's ass in 15 fps
![SpongeBob SquarePants - S01E08 - Naughty Nautical Neighbors.mkv_snapshot_04.43_[2015.11.30_03.27.30].png](https://i.imgur.com/0z2Ye5k.png "SpongeBob SquarePants - S01E08 - Naughty Nautical Neighbors.mkv_snapshot_04.43_[2015.11.30_03.27.30].png")
>it's just like legos
IT'S REALLY NOT
I DON'T KNOW WTF I'M DOING
>>318496949
>Why lie? I mean literally everything you're saying is objectively false, no outlet will accept used console games you played for 480 and give you a full refund for it.
>Spreading lies on the internet anonymously
Stay in denial I guess.
>>318493205
>>318496638
this.
every single game pictured there happens to be every type of game i don't play, must be a coincidence.
>mfw Tekken 7
>>318496523
>list of PS4 games pictured releasing this December:
>>318496872
>Sandybridge i5
old as fuck i used to have one, man thoes things are slow compared to haswel i7's
you are a literal idiot if you think a SB i5 is comparable to a modern i7
i could barley play games on an i5 SB before i upgrade
>>318494671
>bought a console
>can't play a shit and need to be happy with 23fps or less.
that's why i was so happy about the DD port news.
DD with 60fps is a dream come true.
>>318497071
>>318496720
There are practically no games that utilize hyperthreading. An i5-4690k or 6600k can be OC'd to a stable 4.5 ghz with a 25-50$ aftermarket air cooler. If you're only playing Vidya, you're wasting money on an i7.
>>318497034
>no u!
Yeah serves me right for trying to argue with an idiot.
Why are you so poor OP? You get what you pay for.
>>318496738
mATX & mITX based PCs are easily transportable, anon.
>>318496523
The PS4 was $400 on release
If you bought it then and paid to play online every month since then, you spent at least $520. Then add the price of every $60 standard game you bought.
Remember that when you think about pirating, mods, Steam sales, infinite backwards compatibility, free online play, superior mouse aiming, custom servers, graphics options, simply upgrading parts to play new gen games, 60+ FPS, and literally every other utility a computer is used for. Even if it's just shitposting about how you don't have buyer's regret, you do it on a PC.
>>318497108
show me what kinda FPS you are getting on your old i5 2500k
seriously if i am baiting, lets see you with solid FPS and nice graphics on modern games
it wont happen
>>318496373
>You can return opened games to retailers at any time. You just say it doesn't work properly and that's it. I can play the game for 480 hours and still get a return. You have a 2 hour window and cannot return it under any circumstances after that point.
Anon, there is a difference between getting an honest refund for something and being a straight up sleazeball.
Anyone who has worked retail knows that customers can get their way if they bitch enough.
>>318496872
A modern CPU would be one made recently and with the highest standard that would be the meaning of that term.
In terms of power you would be wrong as fuck.
Take a look at intel's xeon II
Using the term modern for hardware is retarded given the modern term can stretch either within the first year or the first three years depending on how you look at the term obsolete which happens every year with hardware.
>>318497071
Ok. We're done. Now that's what I call trolling. Anybody that's actually in the PC scene would advice against moving up from 2500k if it's only for gaming purposes. The justification to upgrade to Skylake would be in encryption, encoding, running VT-D and that's about it.
>>318494321
What you gonna do with all those copies of windows?
>>318495697
>Stop talking abotu upgradibility, cheaper games, steam deals, bundles, its irrelevant. These are non-points, trivial garbage or outright bullshit and it's only you back peddling.
>Objective facts that prove PC gaming is cheaper are irrelavent and trivial and only backpeddaling
D A M A G E C O N T R OL
>>318497161
and also shit for gaming
>>318497167
see
>>318496760
It's a non mandatory cost so everything you say is null.
>>318493205
Because everyones telling you the hardware you need to get 144hz at 4k on the latest most demanding games because they have autism
If you want a computer that does next gen games at the same quality it would cost no more than an ok laptop and a next gen console, but defeats the purpose unless you're just looking to save money by the low cost of PC games
Just aim for 60 fps 1080p, or even 30 if you're really broke, you will save money in the long run by not buying shitty laptops and consoles and having cheaper games and being able to upgrade and replace hardware as it fails or goes obsolete
You can always just get another card cheap from ebay and throw it in SLI. I got one cheaper and in better condition than the one i already had and can run games at 60fps
People who talk shit on SLI are retarded. All demanding games support it and get a 75-100% performance boost except batman arkham knight because rocksteady is full of lying pieces of shit
>>318497234
Posted from a PC
>>318495815
>>318495614
the price increases for someone building a good pc without sales or microcentre(doesn't live in usa)
>>318497209
>anybody blah blah
i literally had an i5 sandy bridge, they are literal trash for modern day gaming it couldnt even handle games coming out 3 years ago
the upgrade to a haswell i7 is huge, nice meme tho
>>318497173
>FPS
>CPU
You do realise that CPUs barely affect framerates for most games, right? Games are graphics bound, and that i5 isn't going to bottleneck graphics unless you're trying to run quad-SLI Titan Zs or something
>>318496693
>ignoring the other reply
>>318497234
Nice moving the goal posts.
>>318497282
But the shitposter's PC is just a toaster, right?
>>318494927
I beat AK on PC and still got the free refund. That game isn't better than the last 2. It's forgettable as fuck
>>318497215
>PC gaming
>games
Pick none.
That's the point he was making though, the argument is about GAMES, without games, cheaper games that aren;t there, upgrading your rig to play games that aren't there, find cheaper deals on no games is irrelevant.
>>318493205
>expensive
>700$ to 1200$ is expensive
Anon are you underage?
>>318497194
>power usage
Good thing we're talking about desktops and not laptops or server clusters
Help me build my system /v/.
I want to build a system for $500 that can play today's games reasonably (min 30fps @ 1080p high-ultra w/o cooking the system) with an optical drive and upgrades in mind.
I am upgrading from pic-related (I plan on re-using the case) from 2000, a windows 8.1 tablet from 2013, and a 2011 i3 laptop.
Bonus points if it's a laptop (though upgrades won't likely be possible) or if the mobo has a floppy and/or IDE controllers.
>>318497280
i just want a PC that will manage 1080 60fps on modern games and won't be completely BTFO and left behind in a few years
