http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/3ds/mario_and_luigi_paper_jam_bros
> Described as ‘Classical Mario vs. Bowser’ Story.
>Boss fights described as ‘very different from each other’.
>Environments, including villages, are described as ‘stale’.
> The toads you rescue become your slaves and help you during Papercraft fights, with Toadette as the slavemaster
> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
>Bowser Jr. is going to get character development focusing on the fact that he’s secretly very lonely.
>Ultimately called AlphaDream’s overall game design very ‘safe’.
>>318455430
>Bowser Jr. is going to get character development focusing on the fact that he’s secretly very lonely
That's kinda cute
Nintendo is fucking dead to me
>>318455430
Oh boy, another game for barafags to discuss
short hair peach is a sin.
now ponytail peach from superpapermario was some good shit
>>318455430
> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
SCANDALOUS!
JUst want someone to rip all the sprites 2bh.
It's literally the only good thing about M&L 3DS games.
>>318455430
>>318455596
i hate how paper mario is reduced to a gimmick character in the subpar spinoff series of his own games. i hate that this isn't even a paper mario game. fuck nintendo
>>318455430
Sounds cool actually
>Boss fights described as ‘very different from each other’
SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING
NINTENDO IS FINISHED
>>318455430
>>318455591
I remember some other game saying he had a lonely side. I'm kinda interested to see how that goes.
>Peach will never get short hair instead of that silly ponytail thing
BRB killing self
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1l2zYzaUMk
GameXplain review discussion. European affiliate likes the game but dislikes the pacing, amount of Toad missions, and feels the game is too "NSMB/Sticker Star".
>>318456513
>too "NSMB/Sticker Star".
Welp, I know what I will be avoiding now. Goddamn it Nintendo, all I want is a decent Paper Mario or Mario & Luigi RPG.
>amiibo
So what content does it unlock?
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short
I'm willing to forgive the generic areas if they did something interesting or unique with them like PM64 did, but it looks like they didn't even bother in that regard.
Is there any reason why Toad Town, the capital city, seems to have inexplicably vanished from the Mushroom Kingdom? And where'smah nigga Toadsworth?
>>318456669
>The introduction of Battle Cards feels something like an alternate version of Paper Mario:The Thousand Year Door's star meter, where performing well in battle added to a pool of star points to be spent on special abilities. Similarly, in Paper Jam you eventually unlock a deck of cards that can heal you, deal extra damage, or affect your stats in many different ways, all at the cost of star points. The bottom screen displays up to three at a time, which can be activated or skipped over during any of your turns, and get randomly dealt out from a fully customizable deck. Dozens of unique, more powerful cards can be purchased in shops, earned as prizes, or are unlocked by using a Super Mario themed amiibo
card details
>All this battling is only part of the adventure though, and an entirely new quest system adds a lot of variety to proceedings. Lakitu Info Centers serve as quest hubs, where an ever-changing selection of Paper Toad rescue missions offer up brief slices of instant gameplay in the form of puzzles, quizzes, or hide and seek chases. Most only take a couple of minutes to complete, but are a refreshing change of pace that never outgrew their welcome in the slightest. Rescuing these poor Toads isn't just a fun diversion either, but is actually necessary to progress in the story. Why? Because the more you rescue, the more slaves - sorry - "assistants" Toadette has on hand to help build gigantic papercraft weapons of course.
missions
>>318456513
>>318455430
+ Story not as bad as Sticker Star
+ The dialogue is really good
+ Bowser and Paper Bowser talk
+ The Koopalings talk
+ Bowser Jr. gets a lot of character development
- 'Classic Mario vs. Bowser' story
- Settings are bland as fuck
- Pacing is bad
- Too many Toad minigames
Eh... sounds like something watching a Let's Play would be better than actually buying it.
>>318455430
Why are they doing this to the RPGs? I don't understand. People liked the unique characters, environments and stories of the other games. They really helped to flesh out the Mario universe and make it feel like a diverse, living world.
now it's just generic goombas and toads and shit. Why now?
>>318456916
Oh, so more horrid meaningful content being locked by cancerous nintendos physical DLC? Yet another pass for me. Gee nintendo, you're doing worse now than you did with the fucking VB
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
Dick status: muh
>>318456983
Because nintendo has been the new EA for like a year now
>>318456983
They got too reliant on OC so Nintendo is bringing them in line with the other spinoff series so they'll never have another Rosalina situation.
>>318456985
>muh Papah Mary-oh fags
Fuck off, shitposter.
>short hair Peach
muh dick
All of these new ideas come with plenty of tutorials to ease you in, as well as a few gameplay options to make things a bit simpler. You can practice attacks, toggle certain indicators and even activate an easy mode to beef up your bros at the expense of skill points. Guarding at the last minute also helps raise your defense if you can't figure out how to completely avoid an enemy. The best part of this is that almost every tutorial can be completely passed over or skipped through if you aren't interested. The 'R' button fast-forwards through text boxes and cutscenes at lightning pace, so there's always a way to keep things moving if you so choose.
tutorials
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
boner boner boner boner
>>318456983
Cutting down the roster size and focusing on character parallels makes sense and keeps the story from becoming too much of a clusterfuck/fanfic. As for the areas, they probably wanted to reuse as much assets as possible.
>>318456983
>>318457173
I think Super Paper Mario was the nail in the coffin. IS got too risky with the OCs in that game. None of them looked like they belonged in a Mario game, now they're all paying the price.
>>318455430
Aaaaaaand I'm out
>>318456983
They didn't flash out shit. The OCs didn't exist outside their own series, their own single game even in most cases.
Mario has no fucking worldbuilding, Nintendo never cared.
>>318457015
wow, optional battle cards are your trigger, gee way to go
>all this new info
>almost everyone only gives a shit about Peach's haircut
You know, maybe you guys deserve getting another Sticker Star.
>>318457401
when the new info is literally just confirming "yeah it's mario vs bowser all over again whoooo" theres not much to discuss
>>318457357
Why wouldn't it? Pretty reasonable to be upset by content being taken out to lock behind toys.
>>318457401
Peach's hair is the only good thing there.
>>318455430
>> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
>>Bowser Jr. is going to get character development focusing on the fact that he’s secretly very lonely.
TOO MUCH
TOO MUCH
>>318456092
the only game where boss fights felt the same was sticker star man
this isnt a selling point, its the only good thing left in M&L that isnt garbage.
>>318457401
What new infos? There's nothing new in what OP posted.
>>318457401
Short hair is shit, anyways.
>paper mario will never have different partners all with different personalities ever again
>paper mario will never have different partners all with different traits/skills ever again
>paper mario will never have a funny, enjoyable, dialogue heavy story ever again
Don't say a word, just post your face when.
>>318457401
look at this homo
>>318455430
>Bowser Jr. is going to get character development focusing on the fact that he’s secretly very lonely.
What about his othersiblings?
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
This sounds exactly like me.
>>318457509
they're run of the mill battle cards that don't last the entire battle
>>318457689
>>318457706
The review doesn't talk about them, but it's a good point: if he's so lonely, why doesn't he just play with seven other fucking kids that live in the castle?
>>318455923
>i hate that this isn't even a paper mario game
No shit
It's being made by the M&L team
>>318456918
Look at your fucking list dude. Is that a game review or a book review? Honestly couldn't tell besides the Toad mini games
>>318457689
>AlphaDream playing it safe again
I dunno why but Dream Team almost felt...sterile. They could've gone so many crazy routes with the dream angle but they held back for a generic "ancient evil has awoken" plot. Seems like they did the same thing with the paper gimmicks here too
>>318457734
And? I don't care if it's a fucking flash on the screen, I don't support cutting content to make more money off fans who will buy toys. If this upsets you, I suggest just filtering me because my opinion is never ever changing brah.
>>318457180
>AAAAAAAAHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH STICKEEEEEEER STAAAAAAAAR
Don't forget to take your meds.
>>318457706
who knows
>>318457292
Atleast Super Paper Mario did have unique designs to some of the characters and the flipside town people were from another dimension so maybe thats why they looked so shitty
>>318457689
>Mario and Luigi
>still has meaningful and funny dialogue
>Paper Mario is the all useful tool and hit taker for the bros
fuck your paper mario
>>318455430
>toadette as the slavemaster
how progressive!
If all you care about is partners/SS Bros. Attacks then you were never a real fan of PM or M&L, just a shithead.
>>318457706But they're not his siblings.
>>318457689
Can it. I like Paper Mario, but this is a Mario & Luigi game. So unless you don't have faith in AlphaDream, stop. We all know Sticker Star sucked, but that was on Intelligent Systems.
>>318457896
>calling out the shittiest Mario game in recent years has gotten so righteous that mad contrarians are doing everything they can to defend it
wew lad
>>318457891
>I don't care if it's a fucking flash on the screen
That's just silly bro, considering the dozens upon dozens of cards obtainable in the game
>>318457689
This is not a Paper Mario game, you retarded fag.
What's the lore behind Paper Mario being in a 3D realm?
>>318457336
>Mario has no fucking worldbuilding,
And yet there exist other Kingdoms besides the Mushroom Kingdom in the Mario Universe.
http://www.mariowiki.com/Beanbean_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Mushroom_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Waffle_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Koopa_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Chai_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Muda_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Easton_Kingdom
http://www.mariowiki.com/Birabuto_Kingdom
As well as a list of implied locations that the Bros have been to outside of Mushroom Kingdom:
http://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_implied_locations
>>318457909
Has anyone translated this yet?
>>318458134
it just works
>>318458134
The Paper Mario world exists in an ancient magic book in Peach's Castle or some shit.
It's not gonna be anywhere near as deep as you or I want it to be.
>>318457543
jr's already been erased from the main series. He's become too developed and must be culled.
The Koopalings are next.
>>318455430
Remember when Nintendo Games werent as shallow as a kiddie pool?
Remember when they were actually substantial games that just had a childish coat of paint on the top instead of minimalist safe-mode garbage?
>>318458032
Bringing it up in every fucking discussion has this kind of effect, retard.
>>318458182
Sprixie too.
Why is only mainline Mario allowed to leave the Mushroom Kingdom now and he can't in the spinoffs?
>>318458353
Is Xenoblade X not substantial?
>>318458182
Can you read? They only exist within their own games.
Nintendo never cared about constistency and never will.
>>318455430
>game is safe
>environments stale
>classic Mario v. Bowser
Fuckin' Nintendo.
>Bowser Jr. gets character development
>in a spin-off RPG game
Alright, that's the silver lining to it. Maybe I'll play if it goes on sale or falls off a truck or something.
>>318458085
Why is it silly to expect the entire game to be available to you and not have to unlock it by paying even more money?
That's just common sense. Anything else is retarded corporate apologist shit
>>318457829
>>318457706
The Koopalings aren't his siblings, and considering he's their prince, I don't think they'd probably be all chummy around him. Look at any game where Bowser's minions interact directly with him; they're usually on edge, terrified, and trying to butter him up with praise and adoration. They're minions, not his friends.
>>318458353
That sure as fuck wasn't Mario and Luigi.
>>318458353
When the fuck has M&L ever been that newfag. The worst of the series was partners in time and it still has a pretty decent game, everything else has been great.
>Toad Town literally just disappeared from the Mushroom Kingdom
>the one locale the RPGs are all consistent with including
I can't handle this lack of Mario lore maintenance
>>318455430
>E3 2016
>Coming soon for the NX New Super Paper Mario and New Super Mario and Luigi
>Bowser kidnappaped Peach and you must stop her
>Traverse through your favorite locales in the NSMB series like Grassland, Desert, Beach, Jungle, Forest, Ice World, Mountains, and finally Lava
>Exciting boss battles in the form of Giant Enemies, Boom Boom, Pom Pom, Bowser Jr. and Koopalings
>>318457909
>>318458015
So we know the Koopalings aren't his kids, but are they at least siblings with one another?
>>318458626
And yet recently they've tried to force consistency by keeping the Aesthetic shown in the NSMB games.
>>318458353
>muh lore
No, Mario games never were like that.
>>318458632
The entire game is available. You can beat and enjoy the entire game without paying anything other than the game
>>318458734
>Bowser kidnappaped Peach and you must stop her
>her
Bowser has a vagoo?!
>>318458694
It was in Galaxy, at least.
>>318458587
>Developed by: Monolith Soft
They still just do their own thing and focus on their Xeno series games. Nothing wrong with them
Alpha Dream is going the same way as Intelligent systems. Being corrupted by nintendo to do nothing but make boring "safe" shit that they hope will sell.
>>318455923
I'll give you being reduced to a gimmick character, but M&L is far from a subpar spinoff.
>>318458869
is that the fucking bull things from the lava levels in mario 64? pretty cool
>>318458694
>Every recent game has her castle sitting in the middle of nowhere
>Mario doesn't even seem to have a house anymore
What the fuck is she even ruling over? Does Mario live in a drain?
>>318457857
It's a story-heavy turn-based RPG man, there's only so much you can expect from the gameplay.
>>318458647
Damn... The fuck is Bowser doing to his poor kid? He's gonna have so many problems as an adult.
>>318458940
>Alpha Dream is going the same way as Intelligent systems. Being corrupted by nintendo to do nothing but make boring "safe" shit that they hope will sell.
This game was made on reused assets like something like Majora's Mask or Galaxy 2. It's just to help tide people till NX is out, whenever that is. If the next M&L doesn't have any original content like the previous M&Ls, then you can be worried, but otherwise this is just a crossover game made with reused assets to service the fans.
>>318458869
>mexican Shy Guy in the snow area
Fucking why?
>all reviews praising the script
>praising the dialogue
>all around mario and luigi shenanigans
Good enough for me
>>318459013
Bullies, yes. They were in 3DWorld too.
>>318459013
Bully, yeah. They were given the redesign in Mario 3D World.
>>318458913
Well, he is a lizard...
>>318458785
Yeah, I think that's still right. I think they described Ludwig as the oldest and Larry as the youngest in the Smash 4 trophies, so it'd make sense.
>>318459013
Bullies, anon. They were in Super Mario 3D World too.
>>318459095
He jumped the border so hard he landed in Canada.
> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
mite be cool, I think she'd look good with short hair.
>>318456513
>feels the game is too "NSMB/Sticker Star"
>>318459095
Peach never built the wall.
>>318458869
I like the 3D World rep and all but I'm sad we can't get at least something from SM64 or World that wasn't featured in something else first.
I guess there's the Ninjis, but that's literally the only Sticker Star enemy that wasn't pried from NSMB.
>>318455430
>Haven't played a M&L game since Bowser inside story and that was GOAT
>Nintendo shoving paper mario in a good series of games because it's been shit for a decade
They are going to shit all over not only my favorire rpg but probably one of the best handheld series they have left just to save a dead one. Faggots
>>318458940
>Alpha Dream is going the same way as Intelligent systems. Being corrupted by nintendo
this is all around hilarious, the paranoia is astounding
>>318457973
But the new bros attacks are awesome
>>318459073
>Papa spends all day plotting to kidnap Princess Peach
>No siblings or mama. No friends, either.
>Routinely get the shit kicked through you by a plumber
>Spends all day by himself building robots
Being Bowser Jr. is suffering
>>318459484
>>Haven't played a M&L game since Bowser inside story and that was GOAT
You didn't play Dream Team?
>>318459383
King Bob-Omb is there for some reason.
>>318459383
King Bob omb.
>>318459076
Don't listen to TTYDfags, they've been running a smear campaign for this game ever since it was announced last E3
>>318457971
fug off, more toadette is fine by me
I can't fucking believe this game exists.
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
WHY CAN'T THERE BE ANOTHER GOOD PM GAME
>>318458473
I think Sprixie is more of an alternate dimension, I mean look at what they're traveling through when they go through that clear pipe initially.
>>318459526
>But the new bros attacks are awesome
Which is why I SS bros. attacks, the physical linking ones from Superstar Saga.
SS.
Proofread next time champ.
I'm calling it now.
One day Bowser Jr. and Jr. Troopa are going to be buddies.
>>318459803
Ask Intelligent Systems
>>318459665
I cannot wait until Paper Mario completely dies. His shit tier existence in Mario and Luigi is ruining that series. Then the fans will fuck off from video games forever.
>According to Iwata's Asks, Alpha Dream had arguments with EAD regarding how the game would be.
I guess they finally yielded
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
>>318459545
Maybe that's why he loves machines so much. He's always by himself and needs to find companionship in robots and that friendly looking clown car of his.
>I haven’t even got into the new Battle Card system, in which you can build decks of cards that offer various bonuses, buffs and debuffs. You can activate up to three cards before performing any battle action, with each card requiring a certain number of Star Points (earned by causing damage to foes) to use. You can obtain and manage multiple decks of cards throughout your quest, and they’re quite handy but not essential. While there are some difficult battles, this isn’t a particularly hard game.
Okay, so this replaces the star meter system. Build you deck for different shit.
>>318456513
>too "NSMB/Sticker Star".
Miyamoto approves
>>318459551
I'm waiting for the next handheld so i can get the 3ds plus all the good games for cheap. Almost bought it just for dream team and then i felt sad because it was the first time i skipped a M&L game . Is it good Anon?
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short
>Bowser Jr. is going to get character development focusing on the fact that he’s secretly very lonely
OH FUCK
THE LORE IS GETTING TOO DEEP
>>318459665
>being this paranoid over a video game
>>318459871
>Jr. Troopa are going to be buddies.
>Implying any supporting character from the first two Paper Marios will ever come back
The most perplexing thing to me was that they chose to use Paper Kamek rather than Kammy.
>>318460104
Yeah! It's good despite the tutorials which this game apparently fixes. Overall, I like Wakeport.
It can't possibly be worse than Dream Team based on the "skippable tutorials" alone.
And if it is, then at least I'll have closure knowing that there will never be a good Mario RPG ever again.
why the fuck wasn't Jr. in the previous games, has he been on vacation this whole time?
>>318459835
Super star Saga moves are awesome too pal. Though they've been getting crazier and crazier with each new game, i hated the Partners in Time Bros items things though
>>318455430
Seems very safe and more Sticker Star/Dream Team than anything else, I'll pass.
>>318460213
they tried to retcon kammy out of existence with sticker star
>>318460213
>Kamek and Kammy interaction
Aw, fuck. That would have been great.
>>318460267
Maybe Bowser sends him to evil Koopa school or something?
>>318460213
Kammy's not safe enough. It'll confuse the NSMB-only crowd and they'll start screaming their heads off when they see something they don't completely recognize.
>>318460153
It's not paranoia.
Every Paper Jam thread has been shitposted to hell and back by PMfags.
And what's even more hilarious is that the assumption that IS is making Alpha Dream become sterile or that this is a new PM game is ACTUAL paranoia. At it's finest, no less.
>>318460269
Yeah! Fuck PiT's Bros items.
>Paper Mario series died
>M&L series died
>M vs DK died
>Tennis series died
What's next?
>>318460104
It's good. Similar to Bowser's Inside Story as well. It's not perfect, but it's solid enough, despite the abundance of tutorials.
I hate how Nintendo's neglect of stories/lore in mario is leeking over into their mario RPGs.
Will we ever get a mario RPG with a plot as good as TTYD again, or a mario platformer with a plot as nice as Sunshine again?
>>318457689
Someone post DATS WHY I FUC UP PAPER MARIO!
>>318457881
Nintendo needs to let them work on their own IP again, there are only so many times the same group of people can put a new spin on a stagnant series before they start developing their own samey formula. And besides, Tomato Adventure was GOAT.
>>318460269
What I meant to say was the shitters who hate every M&L/PM game except SS/PM and TTYD because they dont have the SS type of bros moves or the partners.
You can't get more thick-skulled than this.
>>318460267
What's even more odd is that in Partner's in Time, Bowser forms a sort of father-son like bond with his past self, and by that point, Bowser Jr's existence had already been established.
>>318460409
>M&L series died
ur mum
>>318460453
>I hate how Nintendo's neglect of stories/lore in mario is leeking over into their mario RPGs.
>clearly not a case with this game
>>318460409
Golf
>>318460267
Jr.'s in Dream Team as a secret fight.
>>318460453
We just had Dream Team 2 years ago. It wasn't the standard Mario plot, at least compared to the platformers.
>>318455430
That's about what I expected from the game going off what i've seen.
Looks really fun, seems like it cribs a lot from the last M&L game, but I never got around to playing Dream Team so it'll probably have more than enough new shit for me. Skippable cutscenes and tutorials sounds like it'd make the game a lot easier to replay too, I always hate going back to Superstar Saga and having to do those tutorial rooms every time I learn new skill.
> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
oh MAN
>>318459545
>>318460010
:(
>>318460569
oh, well yeah, that's pretty narrow.
>>318460409
M vs. DK never came fucking close to 94. Yoshi's Story was a watered down sequel to YI.
>>318460572
That's probably BECAUSE Baby Bowser reminds his future self of his own son.
>>318460642
nah lad, mario & luigi's plots have been slowly dumbed down subtly from game to game.
it will soon get the sticker star treatment because miyamoto thinks plot has no place in a mario game
>>318460673
But World Tour was fantastic, anon.
I mean, arguably, Tennis and Golf have been dead ever since the portable games lost their RPG elements but still.
>I know all of the Mario lore. You could say Im a.... Mario Historian
>>318460398
The "BAAWWW STUPID PAPER MARIO FAGS" fags are even worse. Some people find Paper Jam underwhelming, and you just wave it off as shitposting.
People have different opinions. Get over it.
>>318460231
>>318460440
Thanks bros i thought the Luigi shit was going to kill it but if it's like BiS i'm in
>For series veterans, Paper Mario and his wafer-thin cohort are the key ingredient in making things feel fresh. At a base level, he adds a third character to keep track of during battles - his fluttery jump requires different timing to the original duo - and his ability to create multiple copies of himself to boost his defences adds an extra smidgen of tactical depth. Most exciting, though, is his arsenal of trio attacks, in which he flattens enemies with a ginormous cardboard hammer ready for further abuse. The first, for example, sees the squashed enemies pinned to a wall as the heroic trio thwack a squash ball into them. Even better are the tiny details which give the paper cast a distinct identity; how they become ‘crumpled’ rather than stunned, or the way that paper koopa troopas fold themselves into 3D shells to attack. It’s ludicrous, convention breaking, and utterly charming.
So Paper Mario's DEF are copies of himself?
>>318460814
>nah lad, mario & luigi's plots have been slowly dumbed down subtly from game to game.
How are they getting dumbed down, game to game? From Superstar Saga to Partners in Time, etc.
>>318460953
Not him but it comes off as Paper Mario fans, not taking into account the Mario and Luigi side of the game, series, and fanbase at all.
>>318456513
>too "NSMB/Sticker Star"
Somewhere, Miyamoto is thinking "I did a good job, surely more people will become fans and experience the game without all those pesky distractions"
>>318458473
Sprixie is from a mainline game though
>>318460814
>Dumbed down
Mario and Luigi plots have always been dumb funny shit, with the usual emotion whatever thrown in at random. This game doesn't seem to shy away from any of that
>>318460953
>Some people find Paper Jam underwhelming, and you just wave it off as shitposting.
Yes, posting in every fucking Paper Jam thread saying Nintendo is done is not shitposting. Not at all.
Double standards much?
>>318461023
>i thought the Luigi shit was going to kill it
What do you have against Luigi?
>>318456513
>>318456918
Welp.
I guess FF Explorers doesn't look too bad
>>318461171
They aren't. Mario and Luigi has always been skin deep. Dream Team was fucking deeper than SSS. It was funny though.
>>318461302
Man, that's every Nintendo thread in general.
>>318461096
The copies are also his POW since he does fuck all damage by himself.
>>318459970
We'll see when M&L 6 comes.
This was a game made in a shorter time than usual, with many reused assets and was a crossover too.
It's not indicative of anything.
>tfw retarded millenials will never stop circlejerking ttyd and ignoring the superior, original paper mario
Only thing ttyd has going for it is the suped-up combat and better music, everything else is a huge step down imo
>>318461308
He's talking about the stuff with Luigi's special moves and dream world stuff
>>318460453
It's sad because the only thing they ever introduced that would have broken the way you ever view Mario games was maybe the Afterlife place in Super...assuming it was even the real deal.
I mean if Peach was revealed to dye her Hair, made Waluigi relevant or Bowser revealed to be a Girl then yes there'd be a problem, but none of the games have ever done something that wasn't instantly forgotten by the next game.
>>318461465
Partners had more personality.
>>318455430
>Ultimately called AlphaDream’s overall game design very ‘safe’.
Fucking dropped. I am sick of Nintendo playing it safe, and that's really all they do anymore with established properties.
>reading other reviews about the game
>suddenly Paul Heyman reference
>"Play to your strengths. Ignore the weaknesses."
>>318460673
Good. Once Golf and Tennis are dead, maybe Camelot can finally get back to Golden Sun.
>>318461465
>tfw no paper mario 3 to take the stronger aspects of both
>>318460753
So, how long until we get a Bowser Jr. edit of this?
>>318457881
I wanted the final boss to be some sort of dark feelings of inadequacy or jealousy Luigi keeps locked in the back of his brain
>>318461368
I can see how, maybe, some people are like "Well this iis underwhelming this isnt what I want from Mario RPGs". And thats fine.
But then there's this other extreme where people lash out at the game and make up bullshit on the spot about it just to make it sound worse. This is a lot like how Metroidfags reacted to FF from pent up years of apparent "abuse". Its the TTYD fanbase who never got their rehash sequel attacking everyone including M&L fans, which is what these threads are supposed to be geared to, because AGAIN, PAPER JAM IS A MARIO AND LUIGI GAME.
>">Described as ‘Classical Mario vs. Bowser’ Story."
>a con
I don't know about you guys, but I think it's good that Bowser's the main antagonist.
>>318461624
That's a real shame. I can respect IS for trying to take the IP in different directions but it's pretty clear at this point that they don't have the talent to pull it off.
>>318457292
That was kind of the point. The game takes place in a totally different reality.
>>318461745
That goes against the whole brotherly love thing the series has.
>>318461891
And there's 2!
>>318461465
>everything else is a huge step down
>more partners
>partners have more personality/backstory
>more places to explore
>more overworld abilities and overworld interaction
>more badges to equip
>more sidequests
>more extra minigames
>more optional battles
>Pianta mafia
I get that you found the original's art style and world charming, but don't be daft.
>>318461789
That's fair, I actually agree. But you're not doing any better when you shitpost about the Paper Mario fanbase. Fighting fire with fire isn't going to solve anything.
>>318461745
Negative Zone?
>>318458869
>mariachi guy is in
aw yes
>>318461465
patrician detected, although i still think 64 has the better music.
>>318462015
>Now none of us will be virgins!
>>318462051
>more partners
wrong. >>318462051
>more places to explore
debatable>>318462051
>more sidequests
maybe.
>cross-over uses no unique elements from either series
What was the point?
>>318461718
There you go.
>>318462153
Sakurai has some really disturbing ideas of Luigi.
>>318462015
>tfw you'll never be Peach and take part in a gangbang with Bowser and your paper selves
>people are scapegoating all complaints to Paper Mariofags
Superstar Sagafag here, this game is going to be ass, and the franchise will never have the sheer charm, open world-ness and RPG aspects of the original
>>318455430
> It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
Oh heavens
>>318462505
as a longtime fan, i am also appalled at this shocking cash grab
Need more art and screens
>>318462451
I dont wanna be Peach, what if I want to cum inside Bowser from time to time?
>>318462390
That's wrong though, it has the unique M&L gameplay and various mechanics from PM.
Sorry if your Fawful and Dementio teaming up fanfiction didn't get greenlit.
>>318458353
Yeah like splatoon and xenoblade x
>>318462505
heh, nice one bro, you tell em!
>>318462751
I never got how Dimentio got so popular when the game he originates from hardly gets any attention.
>>318462505
you've either never played SSS or you've got a very rose-tinted view of the game because you haven't played it since you were little
>want an honest-to-god sequel to Super Mario RPG/Paper Mario TTYD
>it will never happen
why
>>318462390
I understand that something using elements from both series (Especially Sticker Star) had to play it safe otherwise it'd be like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles crossover where they kept shitting on the 1987 Turtles.
I just hope this blandness doesn't spread to M & L next. But we won't know for years.
>Some reviewers saying pacing is great
>Some say it has issues
>All Universally agree writing is top notch
Good to hear, the battle system seems to be in shape and mixed up with Paper Mario and the card stuff. Hope we see more gameplay videos
>>318462505
SSS"the series will never be good like the first game ever again"fags are just as bad, queer.
>>318463058
He's intelligent, nihilistic and has a wicked sense of humour
>>318462451
anon please i already fapped today
>>318462659
>all that wasted potential in the Trio Attacks
Could have had the Bros. shoot cannons in a Paper Mario boat or used rolled up Paper Mario instead of tennis racquets.
At least the kite one is cool.
>>318463071
might be the latter, enlighten me because everyone thinks im trolling, protip im not.
i distinctly remember backtracking and fucking with badges in SSS and just a lot more secrets in general like yoshi's theater
>>318461336
FF Explores is shit Anon.
I'm sorry.
>>318463287
C'mon man, you know it doesn't count as a sequel.It's way better than its predecessors
>Mario & Luigi game
>Paper Mario joins
>REMOVE badges for this one
why in the shit
>>318462451
>bowser
>hairy ape
>arm air
fucking what
>>318457937
i love how that attack is big luigi just hits them with a fucking hammer. not joking i really do like that.
>every review mentions how the usual Mario and Luigi slapstick and writing is still present
>every review talks about how the bosses and combat are still diverse and fun
>/v/ just focuses on to a handful of nitpicked words from one review and loses its shit
when are we going to get gameplay footage that doesn't have some faggot talking over it
or at least a music rip
>>318463298
I don't know, they're all pretty different, some involving Paper Mario like the Kite one and the racket ball, other Paper mario's just cheering on. More paper related ones would rule, but there's still some we haven't seen yet (reviewers were hush hush about it)
>>318463310
Yoshi's Theatre definitely wasn't a secret, you have to visit it to get all the beanstar pieces.
The only secrets I can remember off the top of my head are those little sidescrolling caves that reward you with top-tier items/gear dotted around the overworld and that one room where you make plants grow by spitting water on them.
>>318458647
That'd be pretty anti-climatic given that we've been waiting to see how they treat each other for years.
>>318463438
>He's played a game that isn't out yet
Can you get me an early copy too bro, since you've already played the game in order to know its shit?
>>318463310
Dream Team had easily just as much backtracking as SSS. The sidequests are more obvious and don't feel as "secret" as they did in SSS but they're at least still there. The difficulty is about the same throughout the whole series, with the exception of PiT which was a little on the harder side.
It's okay for SSS to be your favorite, but idea that SSS is on a whole different level than the rest of the M&L series is just pure nostalgia talking.
>>318463663
they still wear mario and luigi gear that does all the other stuff, the last game i played was Bowsers Inside story and i wasn't a fan of the badge system there.
>>318463310
Yoshi Theater wasn't a secret.
>>318463808
Not him, butExplorers is a year old.
Anyone ever figure out the Koopalings ages? I think I have a good theory...
Okay, Ludwig is the oldest. No doubt. He is the king of the crop. He is the oldest looking. Not the biggest, perhaps, but the most mature. Then I'd say it's Roy. He's got a manly voice and a mature face. I'd say Ludwig is about 17 and Roy is 16. Then Iggy Koopa. He's got to be at least 15. He's intelligent, tall as fuck and he's on the fine line of acting like a child.
Next up is Morton. He's about 14. He's big, bulky, but he kind of sounds and acts like a child. He has a ton of immature mannerisms. He's basically the big dumbass. Then Wendy O Koopa. She has to be at the VERY least 13 since females can't physically skate until they hit puberty and we all know her love for glamour and fashion with her pink heels, lipstip and hoop rings and big frilly bows. She is going through her puberty phase which is also why she antagonizes the much prettier Princess Peach and Priincess Daisy. O
So where does that leave us? Ah, Larry. He's probably... 11-12. He's pretty much on the cusp of that blandless of boys before puberty. He's almost there. And then there's Lemmy, he's small, loves big balls and has a wild sense of humor. He's by far the youngest. I'd say he's 7-8.
And that's my theory of the ages of the Koopalings. Thanks for reading /v/!
>>318463732
Sometimes, simple is best.
>>318464014
thanks family
>>318464014
>I have a good theory
It's confirmed that Ludwig is the oldest and Larry is the youngest.
>>318464014
The age is determined by the order they're fought in SMB3.
>>318464014
The order you fight them in SMB3 is from youngest to oldest
>>318463310
They tell you where the damn Beanstar pieces are.
>>318463956
>the difficulty is about the same throughout the series, except PiT
bullshit, SSS was fucking brutal and had you fight the final boss at 1 health (little kid me had zero healing items so that might have been my fault), meanwhile PiT you had an extra 2 lives in the form of your babies at all times.
in terms of secrets, i really don't know, i only played PiT a bunch of times and never noticed any secrets, and quit minutes into dream team because of tutorials.
>>318455430
The white outline of the new Paper Mario is fucking disgusting and completely unnecessary. Paper Mario 64 and TTYD had none of this, Mario wasn't made of paper, he was just flat. The paper jokes were tasteful like Mario sliding under the covers when resting or folding once in the entire game into a paper plane after defeating the Koopa bros to leave the castle area.
There were no giant fans, scissors, scotch tape, stickers or whatever dumb paper gimmick Nintendo have now permanently associated with Paper Mario.
What we need is a Starfox Zero like reboot for the Paper Mario franchise because these new installments have all been complete and utter failures.
>>318455430
>It’s revealed that Princess Peach has a secret desire to cut her hair short.
So they're just confirming her obsolete now that Rosalina exists?
>>318455596
It still got an 8 you retard. They're playing it safe this time because Dream Team got flak for "too many tutorials" and "too much filler!" and plus they also have to please the Paperfags, who are has ravinous and hostile as Metroidfags.
>>318464805
The outline is to easily discern which characters are paper (3DS resolution, remember) and which characters have copies.
>>318464014
Morton is actually the 2nd yougest.
>>318464950
Dream team was also long as fuck, one of the longest mario games of all time. Was that actually a concern?
>>318464805
dumb feelposter
>>318462505
>open world-ness
>bunch of gates locked until you advance the story and learn the appropriate Bros. move
>the moves are learned in a specific order
>>318464713
>SSS was fucking brutal and had you fight the final boss at 1 health
SSS was pretty easy. Bros. moves were overpowered (Advanced were straight up broken) and enemies had the easiest attack tells.
The final boss doesn't start off with anything unpredictable and if you were smart and dumped a few points into speed, the bros. could move first to heal.
>>318464805
>What we need is a Starfox Zero like reboot for the Paper Mario franchise because these new installments have all been complete and utter failures.
But this isn't a Paper Mario game.