Fallout 1 and 2
>humanity has multiple self sustaining settlements
>trade is efficient and regulated
>force field doors exist in the NCR
>people make porn movies, work on drug formulas, have running casinos
>after 1 bottlecaps arent used anymore now that real money is available
>cars work and can be driven around
>places like vault city are green and full of life
>ncr has a strict no guns policy
>no one gives a shit about you unless you prove yourself
>enclave recruits wastelanders
>bos is xenophobic
>the master literally mindrapes you
Fallout 3 and 4
>hurr radiation
>hurr wasteland
>hurr everything is shit
>hurr packaged food never spoils
>hurr enclave bad BoS good
>hurr everyone loves me after i shoot something
Why is this allowed
The only defense is the fanwank that the east coast got fucked harder than the west.
The only positive thing Bethesda did in Fallout 4 lorewise is making the BoS dicks again.
>>318413467
The thing I might hate the most in games nowaday is the overglorification of the player character.
You kill a rat in the street
>HOLY SHIT CHOSEN ONE ONLY YOU HAS THE POWER TO SAVE THE WORLD
>>318413732
Then explain why NV is just as bad if not worse than any area in the East Coast despite NOT being hit by the bombs until House awoke and got shit in order less than 10 years before the game, almost 200 years after the bombs.
And despite House and NCR intervention, everything is still shit.
>>318413880
but NV wasnt bethesda friend
>>318413467
>ncr has a strict no guns policy
How is that a good thing?
>>318413880
Easy tiger I'm just repeating what the lore nerds theorize, I never said it was a good explanation.
>>318413786
I dunno man you're LITERALLY called "Chosen One" in FO2
>>318413880
Because Obsidian reused assets from Ffallout 3. And whenI say reused, I mean literally copy-pasted the entire game and tweaked it a bit.
Like how it makes no sense for there to be scrap cars around. Why doesn't anybody use them for things? Why would groups like the NCR just leave metal lying around?
>>318414128
Yeah but your some grimy fuck in a shitstain tribal civilization in a wasteland.
It comes off corny as hell as well, and ends up being whatever in the grand scheme of things.
>>318414128
But your character was treated with disgust outside the village because they were a tribal.
Plus you are pretty under-powered compared to the modern fallout games
>>318414069
they have a police force that works, except for the crazy dude you have to kill
>>318414128
True, but you're only the Chosen One to your tribe, the rest of the world gives approximately zero fucks about you until you start causing a ruckus or saving it.
Comparatively, Three Dog knows pretty much everything about you and extols your praises/condemnations to every chucklefuck with a radio so that you become the Truman Show candidate by the time you reach Megaton.
>>318413467
This is what I hate about power armor. Other than the giant weapon on the right, everything else looks dorky as fuck cause your character has to scrunch up just to 'hold it properly'. It makes you look like a giant pussy.
You're wearing power armor damn it, most people wearing that shit should feel like Terminator and waltz along with confidence. The entire point of the armor is to augment your strength. laser weapons don't even have recoil.
>>318413732
they take you in as a member because you helped danse for about 10 minutes, their portrayal is still off
>>318414069
Maybe they're thinking that you don't need guns because they have police officers standing in the streets every 5 feet.
>>318413467
>Nostalgia
>>318413467
>a strict no guns policy
Actually, they want you to actually just carry your guns instead of waving them around like retards.
But one can argue that they are coming toward a shitty leftist capitalist state that would actually be nogun.
Webm not related.
>>318414069
>>318414489
>>318414731
>Nogun
They want the weapons to be HOLSTERED.
Of course nobody in a safe enviroment wants to be around some dusty hardasses that just got there from the wasteland, stained with blood, waving guns around.
But they are definitely not nogun liberal scum, yet.
>>318414976
Which is funny, considering they're Californians.
fallout 2
>enclave is scary as shit
>they kill anyone who crosses them
>bred intelligent deathclaws who could talk
>field general was Frank Horrigan, a monster of a man who could punch deathclaws in half
>planned on wiping out the wastes using modified FEV in the jetstream
>BoS is scared of them and wont fight them
Fallout 3
>enclave is led by a computer and some no name colonel
>raiders can kill them
>want to take over a water purifier and ????? profit
>BoS thinks they can take them out even without liberty prime
>>318415112
Well, most forest and jungle hippies actually own guns in secret. They just dont tell people about them. Exactly what you can expect from liberal scum anyway.
>>318415151
>field general
He's just a secret service agent and has intelligence of 2
>>318413786
Well, as the chosen one I killed that rat king in the sewers.
>>318415471
A level 30 in NV with 2 intelligence can max out like 5+ skills. In real life that person would already be considered a genius.
>>318413880
NV, worse? First time I'm asking but did you play Fallout 3?
>>318414317
They reused a bunch of assets, yeah. But Vegas and the NCR's capital are sort of different places with different circumstances. Freeside is a dump, but Westside is a prospering little community. As for the NCR not scrapping all the metal would be a good question if you could reason them needing it, having to use it somewhere, or how they would transport it with the railroads not functioning.
>>318415151
And BoS in Fallout 2 made a lot more sense. Bethesda can't write Fallout and don't understand the factions are supposed to, despite being sci-fi and not in the real world, mirror what actual humans would do. After all, it's about how humans are after the Great War. "War never changes". Did Bethesda even know why that term was used?
>>318415471
He isn't stupid, he's just fanatized by the Enclave to follow their ideology to every single word. He follows, he obeys.
Well, now that I'm reading what I wrote, stupid people do that.
Wait no, IT 3< is retarded, so since he can give a speech he must have IT 4>
>>318415471
His intelligence is 10. Every one of his stats is 10
>>318414765
I'v been looking for that webm weeks ago, thanks.
>>318414317
NCR probably wouldn't leave all that metal lying around once they could entrench themselves in the Mojave instead of stretching themselves thin defending against the Legion.
Do you really wanna send men to haul junk to recycle and shit when you don't even have enough men to win a war?
>>318414128
Yes, because you're from a clan of backwater tribals who think you're special because you're the grandson of a Wasteland legend.
In the outside world, people treat you like a nigger for being a tribal and you have to actually prove yourself to become a hero.
>>318415431
But liberals support gun ownership.
"Liberals" isn't a term for people you don't like.
>>318413467
>Fallout 3 and 4
>>hurr radiation
>>hurr wasteland
>>hurr everything is shit
>>hurr packaged food never spoils
>>hurr enclave bad BoS good
>>hurr everyone loves me after i shoot something
I love how NV is somehow exempt from all of these flaws. Why?
>>318413467
>Why is this allowed
Because post-apocalypse is a much easier sell then getting people to think about what they're seeing. Fact so few people actually commented about what you're talking about proves that.
>>318416186
Why would it not be?
>>318415151
It helps that first encounter you have with the Enclave is a fucking brutal execution of the civilians.
>>318416186
Because NV doesn't do any of those things?
>>318416359
Because they're all still applicable.
>>318413880
Because the Mojave desert is a DESERT. go to Vegas today and drive out into the DESERT and it'll look like a DESERT. Its difficult from an agricultural and a not dying of thirst perspective.
>>318416449
But you know right well that isn't true.
>>318416186
Because communities and trading is actually developed
They kept the packaged food thing, but there's a lot of "homemade" dishes
Enclave and BoS have little impact in NV, you can actually ally up with enclave remnants.
There's faction reputation, if you help people around goodsprings they'll like you etc.
![FNV_Lanius[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6bBQPmw.jpg "FNV_Lanius[1].jpg")
>>318413467
>ncr paper shit
>money
>>318416570
This.
Only silver and gold are worth a damn.
>>318413732
>got fucked harder than the west
>historical buildings still up
>"rubble" forms perfectly straight walls that are clearly put there for console limitations that force you through copy and paste tunnels with nothing in them except ebin zambies
And people have the fucking COURAGE to complain about the Strip being gated when 90% of the fucking DC area is either empty or tunnel snakes.
>>318416186
When NV does those things it's done in a consistent manner that fits the rules of the world.
In Fallout 3 and 4 you are wasteland jesus from the start and the entire universe revolves around you not to mention bethesda throw in shit like 50 googie design and radiation because in their retarded minds that's all Fallout is.
>>318413880
Ever been to the mojave? you know deserts are famous for being fucking deserts.
>>318414765
I wonder how many of those young boys would end up dying during the war. Hell, depending when that video was made, there could have been babies there who ended up fighting.
>>318414489
you don't have to kill him, but only a character that's gone balls deep on charisma has the required stats to talk him down at that point in the game
>>318413880
From my understanding, NV's buildings and interiors still look torn up and shitty because 90% of the assets are reused from FO3. It bothered the shit out of me too, but considering that NV was rushed out the door in less than a year, they can be given a pass considering everything else they managed to accomplish with the game.
>>318416671
It's just shiny metal, m8.
>>318416857
I believe most of them died.
Either fighting or after the war in allies camps.
>>318414128
the fun part is, despite being literally called "The Chosen One", protagonist is just unwashed tribal, who did rite of passage in some backwater village, and his only actual qualification is beign direct descendant of guy who brought vaulters into village decades ago
>>318416997
Rare shiny metal.
You can always barter actual goods.
>>318415151
>>318416429
What I really like about the Enclave in 2 is that they only kill when the situation escalates to it.
The first encounter with Frank Horrigan and the Enclave is at the end of them persuading the villagers to come with them peacefully. Only after the villager says "I'd rather die" do they mow them down.
The Enclave in 2 really FEELS like a post-apoc US government. They act like the government but will resort to violence to accomplish their mission if need be. The Enclave soldiers you meet feel very human, like the Drill Sergeant who trains you, the communications officer you can fuck with, and the Navarro gate guard who will only shoot you if you sprint past him into a secret government facility. They all warn you to not interfere and to their credit they leave you be if you do as you're told. Shit, if you go full Int 1 retard the navarro gate guard takes pity and explains things to you slowly because he has a brother who is also mentally handicapped.
In 3, they turn into goose-stepping not-nazis with a shoot first as questions never attitude that rids them of any humanity.
>>318416186
>hurr radiation
Not very prevalent but yea, still stupid.
>wasteland
I didn't see so much wasteland as empty/undeveloped land, it wasn't covered in ruins like fallout 3/boston.
>hurr everything is shit
It's not though, lots of people are poor and living in slums but that's due to societal problems like poverty.
> hurr packaged food never spoils
While true there is far less pre-war looting in new vegas.
>hurr enclave bad BoS good
Not even going to bother with this one
>hurr everyone loves me after i shoot something
Engine limitations
>>318413467
Really the only issue is that Beth couldn't write an original story and wanted to use 1 and 2 elements to help them. 3 and 4 would work so much better if they took place around when 1 did. Nearly all issues would be gone because "oh the nukes happened like 60-80 years ago"
>Nuclear explosion
>200 years of Wasteland
>Half of windows aren't broken in Boston
>>318413467
Boston and the Capital are wasteland India.
So they're like, double India.
>>318416035
There are like 20 cars just outside Mojave Outpost.
>>318417169
>the communications officer you can fuck with
The original "What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch?"
>>318416132
Their world always come to a Jacobin shitfest though, and uncle Adi only happened AFTER they took over the old order.
>>318417169
they murder in cold blood the unarmed inhabitants of vault 13 in the intro
>>318416560
>>318416451
How are they applicable?
>>318416132
But they don't. Conservatives are just as bad though tbvh (to be very honest).
>>318417274
>nuclear explosion
>200 years
>somehow every single living thing on the planet has had its DNA altered and become evolved 100 million years into the future via mutations
you're complaining about realism when we have zombies, mutants, two headed cows, laser guns, aliens, and things like power armor
you're delusional and hating on the game solely because its trendy right now to shit on the game, like a bunch of shitters angrily venting their own IRL frustrations on the latest craze
niggers like you said nothing about the dialog wheel when it was fucking in mass effect 1-3 or every RPG since that game, you just only bring it up now because you cherry pick your criticisms and cherry pick the standards you have for gaming, giving passes to shitty franchises like the witcher , then having higher standards for games like fallout
>>318416570
>>318416671
NCR literally had gold coins in Fallout 2 you dingus
>>318413467
The main thing that pisses me off about the story of post-Interplay Fallouts is how they take place something like 200 years after the first Fallout, and everything is still the same desolate ruins if not even worse. How the fuck have these lazy asses not fixed any of their shit in two centuries? And if you WANT it to be the same (which is entirely valid), just have it happen like one year after FO1, not 200 fucking years.
>>318417818
Yes, they do.
Hint: It's in the name.
>>318417821
>niggers like you said nothing about the dialog wheel when it was fucking in mass effect 1-3
lmao fuck off everyone complained about it in mass effect 1 you fucking newfag
>>318417821
The rampant mutations are a product of FEV, not just radiation. They flat out say this in FO1.
>>318417947
The democratic North Korea is also democratic.
Fallout 1 atmosphere
>walking up to the master
>"Your nose starts to bleed. You hear voices in your head. They are calling for your name. Darkness washes over your eyes for a moment, but you recover"
You were hit for 8 points
>"A voice calls to you. You turn your head and see the image of a forgotten friend, obviously dead. The worms fall from her rotted jaw as your headache grows."
You were hit for 11 points
>"it is getting harder to move forward. Your foot seems bonded to the floor. You look down, and the flesh of the floor is crawling up your leg. Teeth gnaw at your knees. Still, your headache gets worse."
You were hit for 17 points
>"Something catches your attention, a flash of movement from the ceiling, and then a sliver of bone pierces your eye! With it comes the thoughts of the dead and tortured!"
Your eyes are now crippled and you were hit for 9 points.
>join master
>convince him to die
>throw down in the hardest fight in the game
>run out of the cathedral to escape the bomb
Fallout 3
>walk behind liberty prime
>kill some enclave
>kill autumn or speech him
>turn on purifier
>?????
>profit
>>318417930
So, you think people got 200 years to rebuild ? Instantly, after the explosions ?
>>318413467
Because it would have ruined fallout to have the world rebuilding so quickly
Fallout 1 & 2 are niche as fuck anyway. Way too much fucking nostalgia faggotry.
Fallout 3 and New Vegas were good. Fallout 4 is better. Morrowind is more nostalgiafagged and full of shit than Mass Effect 1 shills.
>>318417821
>I don't understand a game's solid lore so I spout buzzwords and nonsense as an argument
New vegas:
>incorporates a closer-to-home area
>directly references 1&2
>several forms of currency directly taken from 2
>alternate currencies have a worth in caps as it remains a currency in this lawless area
>visible struggle between NCR and others
>basically van buren in a shit engine
NV was the best thing to happen to fallout after 2
>>318417947
Idk man, the liberals i've met are almost completely anti-fun. The lax ones just want a bit more regulations.
And what we call liberals today aren't the classical liberals.
>>318418048
Not to mention you can avoid taking that damage when you're walking to the Master by stealing one of the psy-protectors from the test subjects.
>>318413880
>>318413467
3 was trash, NV was in the fucking ass-end of california and about as far away from NCR heartland as you can get and still be in California.
That covers >wasteland, >radiation (mainly a result of nuclear waste being dumped in places pre-war, or recent use of dirtybombs), >caps (NCR dollas do make an appearance, but indepenedents and unassimilated regions are fond of caps)
>Brotherhood are still dogmatic assholesassholes
>enclave remnants can be brought around as allies
>Brotherhood basically can't
>actual farms, stettlements, and trade
>>318417594
No, they murder the Overseer who showed up with armed security personnel. The intro cutscene vs the in-game events differ slightly.
>>318418151
Got'em!
>>318418189
Jurassic world is the best sequel of Jurassic Park, doesn't mean it's a shitty movie.
>>318418081
Read the post again.
It's 200 years after _FALLOUT ONE_. Which already happened 85 years after the war.
Fallout 1 already had working settlements and trade, first stabs at police and government. 200 years after FO1 they should basically have fixed everything to the point that it would be hard to even tell there ever was a war.
>>318418151
>baiting this hard
>>318418151
>Fallout 3 and New Vegas were good. Fallout 4 is better. Morrowind is more nostalgiafagged and full of shit than Mass Effect 1 shills.
Man I wish I could shit post this good one day to get a bunch of (You)s
>>318417851
The Brotheerhood fucked up their gold reserves, which is why they had to go back to water-backed money and why very few people use NCR cash in NV.
>>318418048
while games obviously benefited from improved audio-visual presentations, some of the chill just straight up got lost as it stopped being presented in text crawls.
>>318418393
people are retarded, especially us east coasters
>>318418151
Is this you by any chance?
http://poland.gadgetmeet.com/top-six-reasons-fallout-3-is-better-than-fallout-new-vegas-after-playing-both-i-discover-the-six-reasons-that-fallout-new-vegas-simply-can-not-exceed-but-fallout-3-tfts-technology-gadgets-curiosities/
>>318418189
My favorite part of NV is that they straight up recycled much of the background music from FO1+2. That was not just nostalgia, that was them realizing that soundtrack is crucial for the mood.
>>318418680
It was also probably tight budget. Same reason why Dead Money had a mute character and was otherwise in a contained environment - limited budget they had to work with.
>>318418516
{100}{}{The hairs on the back of your neck rise. You feel something from the corridor ahead. The bile rises as you recognize the mass of flesh ahead - human parts in the wall itself. The worst part is that it is moving, calling to you.}
{101}{}{Your nose starts to bleed. You hear voices in your head. They are calling your name. Darkness washes over your eyes for a moment, but you
recover.}
{102}{}{A voice calls to you. You turn you head and see the image of a forgotten friend, obviously dead. The worms fall from her rotted jaw as your headache grows.}
{103}{}{It is getting harder to move forward. Your foot seems bonded to the floor. You look down, and the flesh of the floor is crawling up your leg.
Teeth gnaw at your knees. Still, your headache gets worse.}
{104}{}{Something catches your attention, a flash of movement from the ceiling, and then a sliver of bone pierces your eye! With it comes the thoughts of the dead and tortured!}
{105}{}{The pain in your head is maddening. You feel the sins of others wash over your soul. And it gets worse, as your sins answer them. Like
madmen, they fight through your psyche, and in the process tear your personality apart.}
{106}{}{Your head is pulsing with the intrusive thoughts of others. The pain grows and grows. Suddenly, as if it never existed, the pain vanishes. You fall to the ground and weep. But something does not feel right.}
{107}{}{The pain in your head does not feel as bad as it did. The effects of this strange corridor do not feel as strong.}
Damn straight
>>318418835
And yet they made some pretty great characters despite the lack of AAA money.
I wonder how much was poured into FO4?
>>318418516
>>318418851
Modern games can do it, they just need to be not fucking lazy about it.
Think of like, MGS4's microwave tunnel crawl: animations and gameplay designed solely for that scene alone to convey a specific feeling to suffering and desperation.
I guarantee modern games could pull off the trip to the master, but not on bethesda's shitty fucking engine.
>>318418231
Wait you mean you didn't get the brotherhood helping out at the dam fight?
>>318417384
UNITED FUCKING STATES OF AMERICA
>>318418231
Also the Legion had their own money too
To show caps are double worthless no matter who won
Fallout 1 and 2
>start up game
>interplay and black isle symbols
>by gamers for gamers orbits around the interplay symbol
>fun little song and some backstory
>game screen
fallout 3 and 4
>boot up game
>bethesda softworks
>huge list of small text
>game screen
>>318414317
Obsidian made 5x the game of Fallout 3 in 1/2 the time, while having to teach themselves to speak the autistic retard jabber necessary to read FO3's engine language. You can cry all you want about reused assets
>>318419351
Legion currency was worth more to, After the brotherhood war the NCR economy tanked and the waterback lost a ton of value, Bottlecaps which are used commonly in lawless areas always have a set value because they wont get more but there could always be more, they are also alot harder to forge then the waterback because of the way bottlecap rivets are, also they based their economy around water which is dumb
>>318418048
>>318418851
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_Grey%27s_audio_diary
>>318419526
I would have refused to use the engine
Use the fucking unreal 3 instead of that shit
>>318419319
>Who the fuc- Who is thi-, I should kick your fucking ass
>>318419576
I seriously think the bottle caps were made from depletes uranium.
>>318419805
i love how you can literally shit talk to the guy and when the patrol he sends to you finds you, you can pussy out.
>>318419698
Half the reason so much content was cut in NV is because there's no in-engine mean to edit quest scripting once it's been set
Say if you wanted a questline to go from X to Y, but then later decided it should go from X to Z instead. You can't. You have to dummy out X1 by scripting it to go nowhere and instead have an X2 set up to go to Z.
That's why some quests like White Glove or the trading with Contreras to get This Machine just flat don't work in the last official patch
Fallout 3's engine is fucking cancerous
>>318417169
Mate, you're fucking with me.
>exit Arroyo
>Take nice ol' walk along the beach
>Getting south now
>Oh shit, Enclave encounter
>LITERALLY RIPPED IN HALF IN ONE SHOT
>Try again, thinking it was just a fluke encounter
>1 hit killed
>1 hit killed
>1 hit killed
>2 hit killed-- in this case, one of the Enclave shmucks explicitly says, "Sorry kid, I got orders to kill on sight!"
>>318420051
>sneaking around their home
>not expecting to be shot on sight
That's an American right.
>>318419941
Wait a patrol really comes after you? I never saw that, I thought he was taking shit.
My biggest gripe is how BoS and Railroad blow the fuck out of the institute. It's a secure location with sustainable food, air, water and no outside risks. That's without even making use of the advanced technology.
Imagine how superior the BoS would be if they had the ability to teleport wherever they want when hoarding their tech. But noooo, muh boogeyman institute, blow it up yo!
>>318419848
NV establishes that bottlecaps only have value because the Fallout 1 era trade Caravans have kept them in use and because lawless Tribes and such still use them.
That and Crimson Caravan makes a point to shred or take every bottlecap press they can find, so on the EC the bottlecap supply is controllable
On the WC bottlecaps are used because fuck you and the settlers are too retarded to counterfeit them
>>318419698
>I would have refused to use the engine
I don't think it was debatable. In the end, NV was good in spite of the shitty engine it was using.
>>318419526
Yknow, spouting random shit about engines you know nothing about doesnt strengthen your argument.
You cant shit on Bethseda, then praise Obsidian for the same thing by going 'Its not their fault!!!!!' Face it, Obsidian are just as shit. Take off your nostalgia goggles
>>318420189
Restored content mod has the verti-assult team come to fuck you up.
>>318420189
nope, right after you leave Gecko an Enclave patrol stops you and asks whether you were that shitter who was fucking with the comms officer
>>318420304
BoS doesn't want to touch the Institute tech because they see it as the next Atom Bomb, and in a rare moment of insight Bethesda remembered that people are supposed to HATE NUKE
Plus, Maxson seems set up to take the Brotherhood on the WC in a new direction - doubly so if House ending is canon in NV and the EC BoS is destroyed
>Fallout 3 and 4
>hurr enclave bad BoS good
That's wrong though. Enclave are literally the good guys in Fallout 3.
>>318420394
I understand their reasons for using it, budget and contracts being what they were.
I just really want to see a 3d fallout that isn't printed on such a garbage engine
>>318420398
That info about the scripting comes from an Obsidian programmer
And yeah it's pretty easy to shit on devs who are awful when another team makes 5x the content in 1/2 the time
>>318420337
I think you've got your west and your east mixed up....
>>318420569
I thought their beef was literally just with synths. Using the facility as living quarters just makes sense if nothing else. They can destroy everything they don't like beyond that.
I really need to play F1 and 2 because people relentlessly keep sucking those games' dicks and calling later fallouts trash.
>>318420628
Alas, it was not meant to be, my friend.
>>318420775
You'll be disappointed if you think they are super great. They are fun games though
>>318420398
>>318420672
Actually that got me,
What is "* Smacks lips * Befesda's " excuse for unkillable NPC's? You could fucking kill any one in NV.
I want to kill piper because she's a jew bitch.
>>318420569
Did you forget that they use a giant nuke throwing robot?
The real reason they blow up the institute is because the alternatives would require effort
>>318416738
The DC Area is trash, it literally forces you into a series of tunnels for the odd road.
Although, the reflecting pool area is fairly open plan which is good!
>>318420775
I just finished Falloiu 1 for the first time.
One thing to expect to be disappointed over is responses after you complete quests.
If you say, kill Gizmo in Junktown, everybody except Killian goes about their business like he's alive.
Where's the roleplaying Fallout 1 and 2? You can't turn your back on the vault in 1 to pursue your own interests, you ALWAYS have to return the water chip.
In Fallout 2, you can't join Horrigan and the Enclave, you HAVE to destroy the oil rig.
Pic-related will always be the one and only cRPG with true freedom
>>318421764
>You can't turn your back on the vault in 1 to pursue your own interests, you ALWAYS have to return the water chip.
Are you retarded?
>>318421057
But that's wrong. Killing Gizmo shuts down the Casino
>>318414653
What exactly do you have to do for them. I haven't played FO4 yet but I still remember them forcing me into that radioactive crater in 1 before they let me in their secret clubhouse.
>>318420914
Did you forget that Bethesda are retarded?
I'm just assuming that if Obsidian gets another crack at the Fallout 4 midquel, they'll take the BoS somewhere new
>>318421764
You, uh, you can sell out the Vault to the Lieutenant.
>>318422173
Kill some Synths, track down an old squad. That's about it
>>318421764
So you never played the game? Good to know.
How would you all feel about Fallout set in another English speaking nation? Britain or Canada for example?
>>318422173
help them while they're under attack from some ghouls, then go kill some synths to repair the comms array.
>>318422270
...which results in a game over screen. How is that different from just dying?
Unless you're saying that getting yourself dipped or killed is a "roleplaying" decision with zero in-game consequences
>>318413732
>The only defense is the fanwank that the east coast got fucked harder than the west.
Logically speaking, it's false.
They fought China, not USSR. USSR was US ally in Fallout world.
>>318422428
It could work, it could not work. If Beth does it I expect it to be especially awful.
>>318422428
Completeky misses the fucking point. Stop posting this retarded idea
>>318422556
>>318422348
To be fair "tracking down that old squad" was kinda a pain, especially considering the super mutants with a few fatmans that I encountered on my playthrough.
I don't see why I would play Fallout 3 or 4 when I could just play STALKER.
Bethesda needs to stick to Elder Scrolls.
>>318422363
>So you never played the game? Good to know.
Beat both of them multiple times. And like I said, I can't join the master and I can't join the Enclave.
You're always the vault dweller/chosen one. How is that roleplaying?
>>318422774
>I never played Fallout 1
>>318422771
And why does it miss the point? Is it carved in stone that FO needs to always be set in the US?
>>318422845
Because despite their flaws, fallout 3/4 are somewhat playable.
>>318422845
>I don't see why I would play Fallout 3 or 4 when I could just play STALKER.
because not everyone wants to play a broken slav-shit game with shitty gunplay and head bob
>>318420131
>random ass coast
>their home
I saw no sign that said, "enclave only, no wasters allowed"
>>318422428
every thread someone asks this question and the response is a resounding no.
A prominent theme in Fallout is American Idealism taken to the extreme, and taking that out just wouldn't be Fallout. Although Canada is regarded as "Little America" by the end of the war, it's unlikely that it would have the same feel as with the mainland US. I know a lot of people want to see their respective country in a post apocalyptic game, but Fallout belongs in America, you filthy redcoat/canuck
>>318422556
We all know China was the big bad, that has nothing to do with the US east coast getting fucked by nukes more than the US west coast you mong.
>>318422845
Hit detection for one.
On an unrelated note there's people thinking the glowleaf on the pryden means that Fallout's earth and Tamriel are the same world now....
>>318422774
>>318423135
Fallout world reminds world post 1975 politically, except China was more radically anti-USSR and anti-US and USSR went anti-military.
It made sense for Chinese to nuke West coast heavier, since majority of American army stationed here, waiting for them to invade.
>>318423016
I know you're talking about stalker only because you've said slav.
>>318422963
China had the means to bomb either coast, what the fuck does that have to do it not being "logical" that the east coast couldn't be hit harder?
>>318422537
Do you not know what role playing is?
>>318422121
Only immediately. It comes back. Unless you use a mod that changes that type of thing.
>>318422894
>I can't join the Enclave
I wanted to join the Mercykillers in PST but couldn't. How's that for freedom?
>You're always the chosen one.
You're always the nameless one.
>>318413467
Notice how this obsidian shill leaves out NV which also has these flaws.
Probably because NV is not canon.
>>318422537
>Give water chip to the overseer
>Game ends
WOW GAME OVER FOR WINNING THANKS
>>318423135
>China is closer to the west coast than the east
>majority of U.S.' nuclear bases are in the midwest/west
>China fucking invaded the U.S. from the west coast
>HURR BUT THE EAST HAD IT WORSTEST
>>318413467
FO3 got a pass from me because it dedicated to the idea that DC got bombed harder than most places and has its own settlements but generally things are pretty sparse.
New Vegas and FO4 tried to expand the world without actually, well, expanding the people or space you interact with. They're so gun-centric that its really just more of a Call-Of-Duty RPG than a fallout game.
FO3 had the best DLC among them too between Anchorage, Pitt, Lookout and BrokenSteel
>>318423506
Nigger blame bethsoft for that shit not me. Or did you forget that abomination named Fallout 3 exists and is canon?
>>318423653
>complains about NV and 4 being like cowadooty
>anchorage among best DLC
Replace the Chinamen with Russians and you basically get Cowadooty without health regen.
>>318413467
that's almost reductionist as your penis
>>318422845
because STALKER is boring
>>318422774
that secret loss.png
>>318423653
>Broken Steel
>good
Get the out of here.
>>318423653
Just fucking kill yourself honestly
>>318423653
Good job anon, you triggered me.
>>318422556
>an anti communist US that was more extreme in its hatred towards the color red allies with the creators of communism
Can I have what you are smoking?
>>318413467
But Fallout 4 is a far better game than3
Also, BoS are cool again.
So is BoS only interested in pre-war technology because nuking the Insitute was probably the biggest loss in technological advancement since the Great War.
Imagine the medicine, robotics and food advancements they could of captures if they did something simple like, keep the fucking building after slaughtering the scientists instead of pointlessly destroying it.
>>318414069
Guns kill people. If you take away the guns, people can't kill people.
>>318418024
Complaining about f03 and 4 when they don't even know fallout lore...
>>318414361
>>318414470
>>318414520
>>318416042
>>318417096
What was the point of saying the same thing to the poor guy, don't you guys check answers?
>>318424115
>thinking the Fallout world is an exact replica of the real world
Can I have what you are smoking?
>>318413467
The NCR is also pretty alright with guns in New Vegas.
>>318418048
You missed another
Sneak in and ignore master, pick lock on elevator to get into basement, hack into computer in basement, activate self destruct sequence, sneak out.
>>318424231
>Sane people not aloud guns
>/r9k/ newfag redditors sneak guns and go reee before shooting the place up
>Sane people are no longer armed and are now defenseless.
Like clockwork.
tbqhwy I wish they would've dropped the RPG style combat mechanics when they moved to a 3D engine
shooting someone in the head 5 times and doing hardly any damage because my skill isn't high enough is bullshit
the roleplaying should come from how you acquire the weapons in the first place
>>318422428
Fallout has no Canada, only more USA.
>>318417821
Pete Hines pls go
>>318416979
>considering everything else they managed to accomplish with the game.
You mean garbage? That's what every facet of New Vegas was, shit. Before you give your obvious retort, 3 was also shit and I never touched 4
>>318420775
People look back to those games with thick nostalgia goggles, just like Morrowind. They're not bad games, bu someone who can think clearly will be able to pick apart all the problems.
>>318422978
Yes
Quite literally
Are you challenged?
>>318425741
I played them for the first time literally a month ago and they were amazing experiences and some of the most fun I've ever had with video games.
They had their flaws, but for every one of them there were at least 3 things done right. Anyone dissing those games just doesn't like video games, it's that simple.
IS THERE SOME KIND OF COOL NEW VEGAS TEXTURE MOD THAT GETS RID OF ALL THE REUSED FO3 ASSETS?
Something that makes it more lore-friendly.
>>318423430
Do you even f1?
>>318420776
Ah fuck, why is this not a thing?
It can't be that hard.
>>318413467
OP, it's time for you to move on and accept fallout 1 and 2 are over a decade old and the developer behind them is closed.
Let go, OP. There are other things to live for.
>>318426363
>>318426416
>>318420776
Is that F1 or F2 and is that how the gameplay looks and plays?
>>318426758
Neither. Van Buren, the scrapped fallout 3 project.
>>318426758
Yes for the gameplay but a bit more rustic because of it's age.
>>318426416
letting go is the hardest part
>>318426556
I've never seen so much cancer in one pic, It physically make me want to vomit. Are these the kind of people who browse this board now?
Tell me what was the point in the gunners. Is there any story around their army or are they just the BOS equivalent of raiders
Most of the gunners terminals i've read have just been oh this is a good spot lets set up camp here, the raiders will never be able to take this bridge
>>318420776
Looks like shit.
Fun fact, Troika tried to get the rights to Fallout from Interplay, but Bethesda outbid them.
Fun fact #2.Beth didn't get the right to Fallout universe, they only got rights for a single player game, but Beth lawyers made a case against Interplay and sued them, resulting in Beth getting full license to Fallout.
>>318426552
>>318420776
Also, for those interested, the artist of those pic made this game
http://store.steampowered.com/app/380150/
Horror game aren't my cup of tea but it looks good.
>>318418048
>Fallout 1
>words words words
>Fallout 3/NV/4
>visual representation
This is basically all these faggy complaints come down to. You faggots always get hung up on the differences between visual & text based media, with a sprinkle of nostalgia. They've made a lot of nice advances in the FO series since FO3. Characters don't look like complete asshole anymore, voice acting was implemented in a way that actually adds to the game, the gun play has gotten better, the world visuals & design have improved with each installment, the side quests have more depth to them, & they've implemented new features like settlement building.
The biggest problem with modern Fallout is that it's still on the Gamebryo engine, it's a mess. Game breaking gltiches occur all over the place, animations still look like complete shit, dialogue scenes glitch out into weird shit, companions get lost who the fuck knows where, enemies spawn inside settlements when raiding, Bethesda writers have daddy issues, companion dislikes destroy freedom, & random crashes still happen.
>>318427263
I felt like they were talon ripoff.
>>318427485
How come i've never heard about this before. Thanks anon, looks interesting
>>318427780
>voice acting was implemented in a way that actually adds to the game
Like narrowing dialog choices to yes,yes?,no(yes),sarcastic(yes)?
>>318427797
>talon ripoff
you say that like there were any defining characteristics to rip off
The gunners and talon company are both just generic amoral merc groups to give players something to shoot at that aren't raiders or mutants
>>318427780
>Fallout 3/NV/4
>visual representation
Stopped reading there. Engine is atrocious, they resort to text and speech to explain what's going on in some scenarios.
>>318427780
>voice acting was implemented in a way that actually adds to the game
10/10, you had me going until there.
Does Fallout 1 & 2 play well on android devices with the DOS emulator?
>>318427780
> voice acting was implemented in a way that actually adds to the game..., the world visuals & design have improved with each installment, the side quests have more depth to them, & they've implemented new features like settlement building.
Honestly the settlement build was better in the over 5 year old mod.
The others are just...special.
>>318427263
they are fighters bred to save the wasteland.
Go to the vault in kindergarten, near some hospital with Muties, it' full of gunners and has some retarded story about eugenics and revolt.
>>318427941
>>318427485
>music by mark morgan
damn, i might even buy this
>>318427960
>>318428280
Like having the player character respond in a manner that changes the flow of the conversation, even if the end result is the same. The illusion of choice is a hell of a lot better than random text inputs that allow me to here four different conclusions from Jeff baker trying to voice 90% of the world.
Though I'll admit Delaney sounds goofy as hell sometimes. Taylor came off as the better va between the two.
>>318428081
> Engine is atrocious
If you had kept reading you'd know I pointed out the engine as a fault itself faggot. Speech & text are used for background information. You don't read a page about how weird the Lorenzo Cabot is, you play through it.
>>318428306
I've never used that mod, but I agree that the settlement building is lacking. After playing Ark a little it feels clunky & limited in comparison. But it's still an improvement over the nothing they had before.
>>318427780
>>318420775
I picked up F2 recently, I had fun minus some rage inducing moments.
>work my way up to vault city vault, citizenship and all
>decide to save
>misclick on load
>back to vault city courtyard
I only have myself to blame for this but still.
Some moments are confusing, like the "unwashed villager" random encounter when they shoot at a spammer.
I just pass my turn until it was over, villagers talk about the chosen one and to join them then left somewhere.
>>318423506
I guess they went for a surgical strike on Washington DC or something?
What i don't understand is why they use conventional bombers when ICBM are so prevalent (see the bomb in megaton)
Can anyone explain this shit
>>318420776
>>318429702
You use different types to make sure that at least some get through. It's how things operate in the real world too.
>>318429515
It's an easteregg.
Spammer is actually a troll and Spammer on the Interplay Forums, that spammed the unwashed villagers Thread or something.
>>318429515
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Unwashed_Villagers
>>318421764
What's funny is that you clearly don't understand what an RPG is. An RPG isn't relentless freedom, there'll always be limits. The fun part about Bethesda games is that you can do *anything* within a set paremeters. Whoa, you can lift up cups and items on tables? That gets old, real fast.
>>318429702
Bethesda with their lol whacky 50's bullshit.
It is fucking retarded to think China would fly a bomber all the way across the Pacific and all the way across the continental USA during a massive worldwide fuel crisis and drop a fucking ancient nuclear weapon that is over 100 years obsolete by the time of the Great War. And it doesn't even explode yet still makes a fucking gigantic crater.
The Great War was fought with nuclear ICBMs and was over in maybe 2-3 hours tops. Old ass manual deliver of nukes on a bomber didn't happen.
One question, where the fuck are the ants?
Seriously, I need giant ants.
>>318427414
fucking bethesda
>>318413467
>enclave recruits wastelanders
Uh, no?
>>318430201
What? Mutated ants are an enemy in every game except the first one.
>>318429927
Surely with the reluctance to use oil, planes would be grounded?
>>318428309
That sorta makes sense actually
>>318429702
>>318430159
There's a distinct possibility that the bomb in Megaton was from a US bomber that was doing a routine patrol considering Fort Constantine has racks full of them.
>>318430330
I have yet to find giant ants in 4. It's very important because my next character is going to be based around Sterling Archer.
>>318423010
They're definitely playable games and enjoyable, but they're not proper Fallout games.
>>318428281
Anyone?
>>318430485
Why not use something like road travel or rail travel?
Why even have these minor bombs?
>>318430485
*routine patrol when it went all to shit
Stop eating parts of my posts 4chan!
>>318430485
Now that you mention it I haven't seen any. They must not be in 4.
>>318424115
>russia created communism
Karl marx was german
Guys I figure it out!
Fallout 3 and 4 are Dungeon Crawlers, not actual roleplaying games, I mean, thats what Bethestha have always done, that is what the Elder Scroll saga always was, a dungeon crawler.
>>318429932
>>318429941
Oh alright then.
It's nice to see npc interaction, I have Vic and Cassidy in my party and vic's daughter actually react to his presence when you meet her.
>>318424115
>the color red allies with the creators of communism
German jews created communism and exported it to russia after their revolution failed in Germany.
>>318431071
The game isn't that dumb.
Characters sometimes spew some shit at each other and other characters when they're in their vicinity.
If you like this game tho, you should consider doing a low intelligence playthrough. Makes quite a different experience.
>>318413880
>NV is in fucking Nevada
>Why is it desolated
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eBPqksG9nbA
>>318418680
>Dream Town
hhhnnnnnggggg
>>318418851
>You look down, and the flesh of the floor is crawling up your leg.
>>318417821
Hey petey boy, shouldn't you be writing passive aggressive twitter replies to the people poking holes in your perfect little game?
>>318427485
>http://store.steampowered.com/app/380150/
>Cinematic AAA music composed by Mark Morgan
>John can (and will) die in the most horrific ways imaginable
>Special objects can be used on John himself to end it all
>A holographic stripper
Sounds interesting.
>>318431876
>You feel the sins of others wash over your soul. And it gets worse, as your sins answer them. Like
madmen, they fight through your psyche, and in the process tear your personality apart.
>>318430623
IIRC, it's been a while since I actively studied this.
For starters bombers have more flexibility in targets than ICBMs that have pre-determined targets. More or less a wing is given a list of targets, and if their top choice is already hit they go on down the line till the have somewhere to drop a bomb on.
Additionally the role the bomber plays in deterrence is a second strike capability as long range bombers are usually aloft and in the air, making direct targeting in a first strike scenario damn near impossible.
for all intents if a cold war suddenly went hot the following would happen
>launch orders sent/confirmed
>first strike boomer subs launch and fuck off back into the deeps
>targets generally will be command and control systems for enemy nuke force
>launches are detected and confirmed
>instigating side ground based ICBMs are launched soon after the slbms are flying
>enemy sends counter launch orders, likelihood is ground based ICBMS are launched first but there's a chance these may have been hit by the first strike and are fucked
any bombers in the air basically wait it out, and hope they don't get knocked down by an airburst and then proceed down their target lists and try to ditch in an unaffected area in a friendly country before they run out of fuel.
It's why the U.S. and Soviets had huge bomber wings chewing circles in the sky over europe and the north Pacific, because we got that close (and there were a lot of near misses) during the cold war.
Hey guys what's going on?
>>318432097
>>Cinematic AAA music
>>318432373
fuck... i really thought >>318423173 was joking.
>>318422428
Only if it was somewhere with a US military base, like some pacific island, maybe Japan or Germany.
>>318414063
>Bottom-right corner
oh
>>318413786
"Thanks, Mister."
I'm actually enjoying playing a bit of Fallout 3 again even if it continually crashes on me.I'd try one of the original two games, but seeing how far I've gotten through Baldur's Gate convinces me I just wouldn't have the time or patience for it.
>>318432486
It's just a fancy wording for good ambient music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJhGqOSkaz4&list=PLC2JRJDXgYZByz4Ya-yZh_t37ItGQmAPz
