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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1l2zYzaUMkG
GameXplain's European affiliate likes the game but has some issues with it (most complaints is that it is too NSMB/Sticker Star).
>>318397332
>(most complaints is that it is too NSMB/Sticker Star).
>>318397420
Are you surprised?
So, anyone want some spoilers?
>>318397332
As long as its better than Dream Team I'll be satisfied.
Ive already accepted it wont be better than BiS.
>>318398507
spoil it all
>>318397332
That's just personal preference though. It'd be like hating Tingle's Rosey Rupeeland just because it centres around Tingle that isn't really an issue with the game, the player just doesn't like Tingle.
>open video
>It's Andre "Twenty-dicks-in-his-mouth" Segers
>close video
Every time. If they would just hire different people to do voicework for their channel I would watch more of their videos.
>This game is great, I had lots of fun with it
>BUT THE ENVIRONMENTS AREN'T WACKY IT'S SHIT
When did Mario and Luigi ever have interesting environments?
>>318397332
The fuck is with this guys voice?
>>318397420
please no
>>318399105
Well they've always mostly been the basics with a twist.
>>318398917>no old M&L or PM characters aside from the ones we already know about
>there are small towns in almost every major area, although they're not fleshed out much, they're mostly shops with one or two regular houses
>there are five Papercraft battles
>Bowser's Castle is the final dungeon and it's divided up in two visits, there are two more environments between visits and the second time it gets significantly upgraded
>the Koopalings are fought in pairs and are also divided between the two visits in Bowser's Castle, they have dialogue
>final bosses are Bowser and Paper Bowser. Bowser grows gigantic and Paper Bowser transforms into his armor
>there's something neat in the sound test screen you unlock after the end of the game
>>318397332
>too NSMB
How the fuck can an RPG be like a platformer. Oh wait, it's the 8th generation of video games, when everyone suddenly has sickle cell.
>>318399552
Eh, I'd be willing to handwave the generic NSMB stuff if the game itself is fun and plays well.
What do we know about difficulty? Each entry is supposedly a step up in difficulty, so is it more challenging than Dream Team?
Are the papercraft battles atleast half-way as fun as the giant battles?
Is there a decent variety of bros. moves and whatever the fuck Paper Mario does? Are the bosses cool even if they're generic?
But it's done by a completely different dev from those guys, how does that make sense
>>318400331
I haven't played it myself, a friend of mine who reviewed it for our site did, but he thinks the difficulty is just about on-par with Dream Team and that Papercraft battles aren't as fun as Giant battles. As for Bros and Trio attacks, yeah, they're fun and varied, and so are the bosses.
STICK
ER
STAR
>>318397332
So it's a "Mamma mia!"?
Looks like we can add it to the wall. Thank goodness Xenoblade X seems to be doing well for reviews atm.
>>318400438
What if Nintendo forced Alphadream?
God damn it. We all predicted it but it still upsets me.
>NSMB the RPG
God damn it, God fucking damn it.
From what I can tell, the usual Mario and Luigi antics are still in, so I really don't give a shit about the NSMB-ish environments.
>>318400903
Huh, Triforce Heroes and Rainbow Curse were disliked?
>>318400903
Xenoblade X is at about an 84 on metacritic right now. Its good, but there is no way in hell its gonna have any significant impact on WiiU sales.
>>318401061
Which fucking every game had.
>>318400165
>How the fuck can an RPG be like a platformer.
Successor to Super Mario RPG when?
>>318401087
At Gamespot. The same place that gave Tropical Freeze a low score for being too hard.
And the same site who gave Luigi's Mansion 2 a low score. For being hard.
>>318401220
never ever
>>318401250
>Tropical Freeze and Dark Moon
>Too hard
They were the only games Nintendo's released that require any skill at all outside of multiplayer.
Apparently adding rotting teeth to a generic beach setting really does make all the difference.
>>318401250
They used to have competent reviewers.
>>318400903
>>318401089
Super Mystery Dungeon is doing "okay" review-wise right now, it's in low green, but since no critics got review copies, it has few reviews (most of which are very critical). Reviewers are still playing the game so it's very possible it can drop to yellow sooner or later.
>>318401341
Of course it does, all an environment needs is a slight gimmick to make it anything but dull shit. Hell, even your classic fire/ice combo level is ten times more interesting than any fire or ice level.
>>318401336
In the past five years I meant.
>>318401397
Really? When? I remember all the way back into GC era that Gamespot was hated for being garbage (and was the most obviously paid-off at times).
>>318401160
Super Paper Mario was a damn good Action RPG looking back.
>>318401220
>>318401284
>Super Mario RPG remake
>everything gets localized so things have proper names in line with standardized Mario now (Bowser's Keep -> Bowser's Castle)
>>318401510
No it wasn't. It's horrible. The game itself is fun to play, but EVERYTHING ELSE is horrible.
Cutscenes that interrupt you every ten steps in a platformer is bad design.
>>318401220
>We will never have this
>Or a remake
>Or at least have Geno and Mallow in the Mario sports games Square makes
>>318401482
Kane and Lynch?
>>318401571
>Yo'ster Isle becomes Yoshi's Island
>Boshi becomes "Blue Yoshi"
>>318401510
Ehh.... no. The gameplay was always atrocious. It was filled with floaty platforming, dreary levels and awful enemy designs.
On the other hand the game was god tier because of its creativity, excellent story, fantastic characters and writing, atmosphere and music.
>>318401853
No, the characters were shit too. Outside of the villains at least.
>>318401853
The characters weren't any good except Bleck and his lackeys, all the partners were completely forgettable.
>>318401975
>>318402214
Well I primarily meant the villains, since they pretty much carried the whole thing so well. In hindsight you're definitely right though. I can hardly remember any of the other characters.
>>318401654
I have reason to believe that the people who bought it thought it was just a platformer, and that's why they hated the story. It's probably why Sticker Star exists. Nintendo didn't make the connection.
>>318397332
So the 3ds is the worst handheld ever. Every sequel from Kirby to paper Mario was casulized shit
>>318401571
>SMRPG without the shitty 90s SE translation
Why can't we have this?
>>318401853
>>318402459
Sticker Star's lack of story came as a result of a Club Nintendo survey that said less than 1% of players found Super Paper Mario's story engaging in any way whatsoever.
>>318401654
Are you full retard? The gameplay was absolute shit, it was only the cutscenes that made it bearable at times.
>>318398757
But Dream Team was already better than BIS.
>>318402560
Dark moon was pretty good, and there's smash. Overall I will agree its a pretty mediocre system, at least in terms of first party games.
>>318399105
In every game except Bowser's Inside Story.
>>318401510
No it wasn't.
It had great music and writing, but it was both a mediocre RPG and Platformer.
Is this the final boss? Looks cool if it isn't.
>>318397332
>most complaints is that it is too NSMB/Sticker Star
DROPPED
cancelled my preorder , no joke
>>318401654
You have it backwards.
Everything but the gameplay was top notch.
>>318403124
ok dont bother forming your own opinion then
I am so Fucking READY!I'm checking 3dsiso daily
>>318402214
>>318401975
>>318402369
>Francis
>Flint Cragley
>Squirps
>That huge bitch Luvbi
Outside of those guys and the chapter bosses though, the villains were essentially the entire cast.
And the regular NPCs were pretty much the same quality as the previous games.
>>318401137
That's just an outright lie
Super Star Saga was set in an entirely new land with completely different areas
Partners in Time had you going to a mountain made out of thwomps and even into space
Bowser's Inside Story had mostly meh areas but you did get some cool moments inside bowser
Dream Team had a really creative map with a lot of nice areas, although they weren't necessarily unique
>>318403352
>Koopalings are fought in pairs
>but there are seven of them
? ? ?
Roy and Wendy are an interesting choice for partners. I thought they would have went with a more generic Roy & Morton.
>>318403058
Looks fake as hell. A recolored Dreamy Bowser sprite in a generic space background.
>>318403441
Ah shit, yeah. How could I forget Francis, holy fuck. I need to replay the game.
>>318403441
Oh yeah, Francis. Can't remember any of those others you named.
I still remember pretty much everyone from every chapter of TTYD is kind of what I mean.
>>318403521
Ludwig could be fought alone. He's always "that" Koopaling.
>>318403521
You see Iggy alone at the snow area using some sort of cannon.
>(most complaints is that it is too NSMB/Sticker Star).
It's over.
>>318403519
he was talking about the antics
>>318403708
Pic?
>>318397332
>too NSMB/Sticker Star
Fuck you, Nintendo. Stop it with those games. Sticker Star literally has no genre because it's so fucking bad.
I am just about done with these dumbasses.
>>318403805
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7CueM5wF5w
3:30. Not in battle, but he could use it in a fight I guess.
>>318401975
>Multiple merlin wizards
>Paper Bowser and Luigi shenanigans (Mr. L!)
>Squigg the space squid thing
>Pixl
>The otaku chameleon boss
>The divorced rulers of heaven and hell who casually use cell phones to talk about who has the daughter atm
It was great.
>>318403521
Roy and Wendy are the Koopalings with the most screentime actually. Interesting choice indeed.
>>318403838
>>318403726
>>318403124
Where did you retards come from?
We knew how the game was gonna be like for months.
And on the M&L side, it's closer to 3DLand/World anyway, and there is stuff from most major Mario games.
>>318397332
>(most complaints is that it is too NSMB/Sticker Star).
>>318404198
How are their personality like?
Are Morton and Lemmy retarded like they look?
>>318404326
King Bob-Omb is a nice touch. I'd like to see his characterization in this game.
Hoping for King Boo too actually. Gooper Blooper maybe?
People need to chill out. This game is easily going to be better then Sticker Star from everything they've shown so far.
>>318404741
STICKER
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R
>>318404696
Goober Blooper is garanteed for the beach area.
I was hoping for King Boo in the haunted forest, but apparently there's Wiggler there.
>>318404981
>I was hoping for King Boo in the haunted forest, but apparently there's Wiggler there.
Every Mario and Luigi game had some sort of Wiggler Boss fight. It's pretty much tradition at this point.
>>318404513
I'm sorry, I haven't played it myself yet.
>>318402906
>>318397332
Not the same anon but I got a review copy.
It's ok, nothing mind blowing. The mission stuff is awful but the rest of the game is alright.
my ranking would be
SSS>BIS>DT>PJ>PIT
>>318405381
BIS is incredibly overrated, and just slightly better than PiT.
>>318405727
The overrated game is Supernostalgia Saga
>>318405629
How's the final boss like?
Who's the secret boss?
Paper Luigi?
>>318401341
You're the same anon who shits on BiS in every M&L thread for some benign reason.
Go suck on a dick, yeah?
Someone please tell me this game is not "collect these 5 items then unlock the final level" .
>>318398757
But I enjoyed the fuck out of Dream Team
>>318401220
TTYD is better.
Sequel to TTYD when?
>>318405906
The final boss is just bowser and paper bowser merged, it's better than the final boss in dream team imo
...I didn't know there was a secret boss You mean like bowser jr was in dream team? I haven't completed the boss gaunlet thing yet
No paper luigi in sight. If he was a cameo, I didn't see him either.
>>318405925
Not that anon, and I rightfully criticize BIS when we talk about it too.
Now what?
Mario RPG Rankings
God Tier
TTYD
Bowser's Inside Story
Great Tier
Paper Mario
Superstar Saga
Good Tier
Dream Team
Super Paper Mario
Okay Tier
SMRPG
Partners in Time
No Tier
Sticker Star.
Based on everything I've seen, I'm confident this game will be at least be in good tier.
>>318406298
>SMRPG that low
>>318406298
SMRG to Great, dream team and SPM to Okay, remove "good" tier entirely
>>318406368
I still like the game. I really do. It's just hard for to get into, since I played both the PM and M&L games before it, so it's hard for me to get used to in comparison.
>>318406298
partners in time sucked dick.
Bowsers inside story was okay. Haven't played dream team yet.
Superstar still remains my favorite.
>>318406368
>>318406461
SMRPG I feel is difficult to get into if you've played literally any other Mario RPG first.
Shoddy SE translation does not help either.
>>318405925
What? How did you get such a thing from my comment?
I like BIS, but its environments are easily my least favorite part.
>>318399552
>Bowser's Castle being the final dungeon
>Final bosses being Bowser and Paper Bowser
Of course, why should I have expected anything else when it would all amount to this?
>>318406171Paper Luigi is chilling in the sound test.
Can't wait for this.
The two funniest versions of Bowser arguing with each other... gonna be brilliant.
>>318406298
>lazy level design
>awful forced repetitive minigames every 20 minutes
>story is all over the place
>forced stylo fucking everywhere
>generic Mario areas
>lazy enemy design
>pointless 2D sections
Is this how God Tier is like?
>>318406854
Die.
>>318406854
I'm biased I admit. Bowser is one of my most favorite characters in the series, and playing what was essentially Bowser RPG, was awesome. His great dialogue and banter with the other characters, his awesome special attacks involving his minions, the giant battles which are really fun for me personally, and fun antagonists with Fawful and Midbus.
>>318406368
Once you know it in and out, the game becomes piss easy. Paper Mario RPGs and M&L games at least give you a bit more tension with the action commands.
>>318407039
>"I prefer bara over gameplay!"
>>318407243
Good characters can make a good character, and the game was far from bad by any means. Youre in the minority on this.
In terms of enemy design, I can't say I'm disappointed that this game sticks to the main series and adds many new enemies from the 2D and 3D platformers. Regular enemy design was never a strong suit in Mario & Luigi in my opinion, BIS and DT in particular had some really lazy/weird regular enemies. The first two Paper Mario games also stick almost entirely to main series enemies and I like those enemies a lot better.
>>318407243
It was still a fun game. And no, I don't swing that way, as I've seen some other posters have.
I understand if you didn't care for it. It's not a big deal.
>>318407039
Well the dialogue is easily the best in the series, and the best part of the game.
That and the final boss.
>>318407463
We can all agree Super Star Saga had the best enemy and boss designs?
>>318399552>there's something neat in the sound test screen you unlock after the end of the gameWhat is it?
>>318407463
Are there Koopatrols?
Alright folks I have the updated Mario & Luigi tier list it should look something like this:
DT > BIS > SS > PJ > PiT
>>318407554
Some were also very weird like those inexplicably lanky Boomerang Bros, but others like the Bone Sharks and the Techno-Chomps were really cool, yeah.
>>318407561
>>318406781
>>318407746
move sss above bis
>>318406854
The writing alone could hold up even the worst game.
Bowser RTS fucking when?
>>318399104
I wish Derrick would do all the reviews. But he was busy as fuck because of XCX so it's understandable.
>>318406854
>>lazy enemy design
Oh but SSS enemies being fucking beans and bean variations was super creative design?
>>318407768
The weirdness was the best part. SS saga is Mario and Luigi's bizarre adventure, and that's why it's the greatest.
You fight a living soda monster. A LIVING. SODA MONSTER
>>318407182
>Paper Mario
>hard
lol?
>>318407925
They were not all beans. There were actually very few bean enemies, it was mostly just the people that were beans
>>318407921
That other guy they got to review Super Mystery Dungeon who instantly went "I never played a SMD game after Blue Rescue Team which bored me in three hours" should've also been avoided.
>>318404198
>Wendy gets a lot of screentime
I might just pick this up then
>>318406298
Those are some good opinions senpai
Why does NSMB have to seep into everything? Mario games don't have to be homogenised to fit in line with that bland bullshit, jesus. That was part of the RPG's appeal.
Dream team fucking sucked, I dont see how this will be better.
>>318408891
According to someone, most tutorials are relegated to optional books to read now.
>>318408980
That was the least of the issues I had with the game. It was just all around mediocre to bad, the tutorials were just annoying.
Does the game have a hard mode?
Do you have to beat it to unlock it?
I want a hard mode, but if you have to beat the game to get it, then Id actually rather there NOT be one. Hard to explain why.
>>318407463
>I prefer generic enemies that Ive already fought before and know how they may attack ruining all suspense instead of original ones that keep me on my toes
The mental gymnastics Neotendrones like to pull off are fucking ASTOUNDING
You can't be serious. No Paper Luigi? No development of the premise? Bowser's Castle really is the final area? The game is 99% mini-games? The final boss is nothing more than Bowser and Paper Bowser teaming up?
I'm really tempted to cancel my pre-order now. How did Mario RPGs fall so low?
>>318409460
Did someone else start developing them? The quality is so meh. Generally lazy, with bad writing.
>>318409157
dont start
you always stir shit up when you mention dream team
>>318409157
It had stellar combat, solid and extremely varied level design, an interesting setting, a great cast of characters and an amazing OST.
Dunno what your problem is.
>>318409624
I M&L1 was just a fluke. M&L2, 3 and 4 were terrible.
SPM was badly executed even if it had good ideas and Sticker Star was made by a team of newbies sucking Miyamoto's dick, and now Nintendo has decided people want more Sticker Star.
>>318409745
None of that is true. None.
>>318409745
>great cast of characters
the only characters that were remotely interesting were the muscle dudes up that mountain, the pillo'o were the most dull race of people i've ever seen
>>318409436
Because enemies in Mario RPGs attack in the same way they do in the main series right?
Subhuman tripfag.
>>318409745
This
It's a shame these games are geared towards children, they could easily be 10/10 masterpieces if they were just a little more complex and didnt hold your hand every step of the way
>>318409460
>No Paper Luigi?
He's in the game.
>>318409460
>The game is 99% mini-games?
What? Every Mario RPG had mini games as you went through them.
>>318409460
>Bowser's Castle really is the final area?
SMRPG, Paper Mario, Superstar Saga, Sticker Star, and Dream Team had this. That doesn't mean they can't get creative with it, like previous games.
>>318409889
Great rebuttal.
>>318409894
The gay pillow was great. Then there's Zeekeper and many returning veterans of the series at their best.
>>318409979
>he's in the game
As a cameo in the sound test mode.
>every Mario RPG had minigames
They didn't make up most of the games however.
>previous Mario RPGs did this
Difference is that they didn't show it in previews. It's disappointing that they couldn't get more creative with a "Bowser kidnaps Peach" story.
Plus there's the "leak" we got two days ago, which was apparently a fake, while the real final boss is nothing more than Bowser and Paper Bowser and that's it.
This is literally the Sticker Star of M&L, except the battle gameplay is great. After seeing the reaction to Sticker Star, I'm baffled that anybody at Nintendo could think people want more of it.
>>318404326
I held out hope that Sticker Star was just a fluke that we would never see again.
It's not like I was planning on buying it. I hoped this would be alright, but I totally expected it to be crap.
>>318409460
>Bowser's Castle really is the final area?
Yeah, like two of the other M&L games, as opposed to Peach's Castle in the other two.
>>318406298
Super Paper Mario really wasn't a very good game at all
I think it goes to show that creative settings can't save a game when the gameplay itself is shit.
SMRPG on the other hand was stellar
>expanding on the Mario universe for the very first time
>dem secrets
>dat creative dungeon design
>dat soundtrack
>>318406626
>Shoddy SE translation does not help either.
literally what? I can't remember a single translation in SMRPG
>>318410378
>They didn't make up most of the games however.
Bowser's Inside Story had you doing mini games with the bros a lot in Bowser's body to make him do something in the overworld sometimes. Plus where's the proof it's all mini games? Stuff like the Papercraft Battle which is the new game's equivalent to Giant Battles?
>>318410378
>This is literally the Sticker Star of M&L, except the battle gameplay is great.
Paper Bowser Talks, the Koopalings talk, and there's no sign of any weird trial and error puzzles involving thing stickers. It fixes issues people had with that game.
>>318410396
>>318410378
>hurr Sticker Star
God you people are annoying. And boring, since it's all you can shitpost about, even when the game has none of its flaws and nothing in common with SS aside from the reused assets.
>>318399552
What was the point of this crossover?
>>318410876
The biggest issue a lot of people had with sticker star was that it wasnt very creative outside of the new sticker mechanic (which was poorly implemented)
This doesn't seem to fix that issue. I'm sure the game plays great, but it doesn't do anything we haven't seen before
>>318405785This.
>>318409979
>SMRPG
don't make shit up, anon
Smithy's Factory was the final area
>>318410218
Okay besides tutorials, lets see:
>Shitty overworld that consistent of uninteresting areas
>Multiple segments of backtracking, needed backtracking for bed parts
>Terrible implementation of Gyro controls
>Awful characters and writing, not even remotely amusing or funny minus the mountain bros. and statues
>The dream world were literally the worst aspects of the game, terribly simple and tedious, and were nothing more than a road block of annoying platforming and gimmick shit
>The environment design clashed heavily with the sprite work; low poly, jaggy 3D models instead of drawn environments
>Almost no original ideas, most of the shit was ripped from BiS
>Luigi battles were long and tedious
>Game was ridiculously easy, to the point 4 shot dream bowser with sling luigi
>Reused soundtracks mixed in with mediocre tracks that played on a nauseating loop
>Terrible motive for the story, almost no incentive to push forward
>Minigames are complete dog shit
I'm not even sure what I can say was actually good or unique about the game. I'm happy it ended and I'm happy I only paid $15 for it because it sold terribly I guess.
In regret finishing it, probably the first time I felt like beating a game was a huge waste of my time.
>>318410627
Again, the problem is that they showed it in previews.
Worse, it being Bowser's Castle was either unexpected or done in a creative way. In M&L1, Bowletta hijacks Bowser's Castle near the end of the game. In M&L4, it's a new castle wished up by Bowser and Antasma halfway through the game. Even in past Mario RPGs: in SMRPG it's taken over by the Smithy Gang. In PM1 you spend the entire game trying to collect the Star Spirits to get there, and it's in space too. In Sticker Star it's hidden from you until you gather all the Royal Stickers. In Paper Jam... it's on the map from the beginning and you basically just go there to save Peach and that's it.
>>318410876
>Plus where's the proof it's all mini games?
That is what the reviewers are saying.
>SS
The problem with SS was its lack of creativity, which is exactly what PJ suffers from too.
>>318410914
Sticker Star is one of my favorites Mario RPGs, idiot.
>nothing in common with SS
>Paper Luigi doesn't exist, only regular Mario enemies allowed, premise is extremely simple even for a Mario RPG
>>318411136
It was only a few rooms, it doesn't even appear on the map.
>>318411160
oh its you again. fuck off.
>>318411160
Don't forget the fact that it's 40 hours long.
>Using the Mario universe more is bad
>Bringing better representation to established characters like Koopalings, Chargin Chucks, King Bob-omb and others is bad
I want this meme to die
Paper Jam is already awesome in the gameplay department
We don't need a shit fit because of literal who OC characters being shafted for actual Mario characters
Derrick you fucking scumbag you were just complaining about Dream Team and now pulling a 180
Fuck you
>>318411327
>It was only a few rooms, it doesn't even appear on the map.
Is it that hard to admit you were wrong?
I'm always fascinated by people who feel like they have to save face on an anonymous image board
>>318411359
It should have been done in 15, its just stretched out with garbage content.
>>318411634
Who the hell is Derrick?
>>318411065
>The biggest issue a lot of people had with sticker star was that it wasnt very creative outside of the new sticker mechanic (which was poorly implemented)
But Paper Jam is doing new things. It's giving the chance for new mainline Mario games to be featured in an RPG, the Koopalings have a chance to actually develop their personalities for the first time in an RPG, Maybe that's not enough, but it's still better in comparison to Sticker Star. I get that as a crossover, it could have been more, but what we got so far, isn't what I call bad either.
>>318411685
That guy wasn't me. I forgot about Smithy's Factory being connected to Bowser's Keep. Fair enough.
>>318411634
>gameplay is awesome for a game i havent played
>>318397332
This is the last straw. Nintendo lost their magic.
>>318411904
Every company lost their magic. Doesn't surprise me in the least though. I've mostly moved from video games.
Nintendo's decision to give Mario a consistent image across all platforms has really turned into a mess.
>>318411685
>you were wrong
I'm not him, you fucking idiot
Also thank you for proving my point with your picture, that is tiny compaed to Bowser's Castle
>>318411904
Nintendo's not magical,anon.
You just grew up, it was always kiddy shit.
Took you long enough,huh?
>>318412065
>that is tiny compaed to Bowser's Castle
How does this relate to whether or not its the final dungeon?
Bowser's Castle in Sticker Star was literally two room. Does that mean that the Airship was actually the final dungeon?
Final boss pictures ?
>>318399552
Wow, a crossover that doesn't bother using anything unique from either series. Nintendo truly innovates in the "dropped ball" department.
>>318412252
Yes?
Do you know what a dungeon is?
Besides, if anything, the Weapons Factory is part of Bowser's Keep.
>>318411832
I respect your points anon, but as an entitled nintenbabby I will always wish it could have been more
Honestly we'd probably be better off if we could just accept it for what it is like you have, so we can at least enjoy the game
so Europe guys, know any stores that might sell this game early? want that rom as soon as possible.
>>318412452
I should have known better than to get into an argument with a dungeon expert such as yourself.
>>318399552
This doesn't seem much like a crossover
More like lets slap two assets together for a cheap buck
>>318412089
No. I'm playing games from Nintendo I didn't play as a kid and they blow the current games out of the water
>>318411160
>Shitty overworld that consistent of uninteresting areas
The beach town was great, the ancent foresta was amazing, the mountain was good and so was the castle.
>Multiple segments of backtracking, needed backtracking for bed parts
Going in new areas close to old ones isn't backtracking.
>Terrible implementation of Gyro controlscontrols
How so?
>Awful characters and writing, not even remotely amusing or funny minus the mountain bros. and statuesstatues
The writing was above average for the series, Zeekeper, gay pillow, Elite Trio, Dreambert were good.
>The dream world were literally the worst aspects of the game, terribly simple and tedious, and were nothing more than a road block of annoying platforming and gimmick shit
Improved the 2d sections from BIS in every way.
>The environment design clashed heavily with the sprite work; low poly, jaggy 3D models instead of drawn environments
Lol
>Almost no original ideas, most of the shit was ripped from BiS
The mob battles are arguably the biggest change in the series so far.
>Luigi battles were long and tedious
Git gud
>Game was ridiculously easy, to the point 4 shot dream bowser with sling luigi
It's the hardest in the series.
>Reused soundtracks mixed in with mediocre tracks that played on a nauseating loop
B8
>Terrible motive for the story, almost no incentive to push forward
Jesus
>Minigames are complete dog shit
Are we talking about BIS now?
Anyway the game sold well, this reeks of pasta and you sound like a faggot.
>>318397332
>(most complaints is that it is too NSMB/Sticker Star).
Neo nintendo is cancer holy shit.
>>318412573
I'm always fascinated by people who feel like they have to save face on an anonymous image board.
>another M&L game with a unique story setup wasted by BetaDream playing it safe
At least muh nignog Petey is in the game
Gamexplain's normal discussion about the game was already garbage whinning about MUH PAPER MARIO DREAM TEAM WAS TOO LONG WAAAAAH
Why the fuck would you listen to the review discussion from somebody who still acts as if this is a Paper Mario game
I'm satisfied with the gameplay not being fucking butchered, rather improved upon and we get more character developments from Mario series characters
Are you seriously gonna riot because somebody shoves the NSMB NSMB meme complaint because you don't have google eye enemies like Dream Team did?
Fucking really?
Paper Jam's music is inferior to Dream Team's.The Superstar Saga battle arrangement is inferior to the original.
>>318412845
>Super Star Saga, their first take on a Mario RPG is the most wild and creative
>Paper Jam, which should have been a wild and crazy crossover is bland and too safe
Y tho
Is there at least a part in the game where you go to a paper world?
>>318412983
Superstar saga IS the original.
>>318412925
>I can't handle anyone saying anything negative about my favorite series
thanks for posting
>>318412845
>unique story setup
Oh I'm sorry
I didn't know Paper Jam needed to be about fanfiction tier mashups
Let me guess, you want Fawful and Dimentio to team up?
>>318413051
>reading comprehension
>>318400903
Is chibi-robo really that bad? It kinda looks fun and I was thinking of buying it.
>>318412452
It's a separate level select anon. The Weapons Factory is in another dimension.
>>318411359
>>318411757
>having tons of content is bad
>solid and extremely varied gameplay is "filler" and garbage content
A new level of retardation.
>>318413243
Yeah it is pretty awful, why on earth did anyone think level select being the roll of a dice was a good idea I don't know
I don't know what bothers me more
People acting as if we need to ignore that Paper Jam didn't butcher the gameplay
Or people pretending that Sticker Star's biggest fuck up wasn't butchering the gameplay
>>318411160
Nice pasta from a previous thread fag.
>Shitty overworld that consistent of uninteresting areas
You can say that about the other games. I disagree as each area stands out and feels more distinct from the standard grasslands, desert.
>Multiple segments of backtracking, needed backtracking for bed parts
You visited new areas in previously visited locations.
>Terrible implementation of Gyro controls
The only place where the Gyro controls were bad was with some of the giant bosses.
>Awful characters and writing, not even remotely amusing or funny minus the mountain bros. and statues
The game had plenty of great moments and interactions with the bros such as luigi fucking things up at some points.
>The dream world were literally the worst aspects of the game, terribly simple and tedious, and were nothing more than a road block of annoying platforming and gimmick shit
I never liked them much either. But they were better designed and didn't drag as long as the ones in BiS.
>The environment design clashed heavily with the sprite work; low poly, jaggy 3D models instead of drawn environments
Don't know what you are talking about here. I thought the environment was great as I liked the way the sprites stood out making characters easier to spot.
>Almost no original ideas, most of the shit was ripped from BiS
So Dream World battles and more ways to avoid attacks aren't new or original?.
>Luigi battles were long and tedious
Don't know what your on about here they aren't long in the slightest.
>Game was ridiculously easy, to the point 4 shot dream bowser with sling luigi
Bullshit. It's impossible to 4 shot dreamy bowser.
>Reused soundtracks mixed in with mediocre tracks that played on a nauseating loop
Well that's your problem to me it's the best music in the series.
>Terrible motive for the story, almost no incentive to push forward
As opposed to any other Mario RPG?.
>Minigames are complete dog shit
Much better that the ones in BiS. There aren't even alot of them.
>>318413465
>think level select being the roll of a dice
I already know about that one, but design-wise how are the levels? How's the gameplay? Is there a demo on the eshop?
The only thing i'm mad about is the fact that Bowser is the main villain.
The game looks fun, but I think it'll be the weakest of the serie.BiS is the worst one mainly because of my language's translation of the game where 80% of the jokes went missing and the 1000 shitty mini-games with cancer music
>>318401834
Washi, actually.
He was created to be a Wario-type counterpart to Yoshi
>>318413131
Don't be stupid.
I just want something that isn't Mario & Luigi with their new gimmick traveling through grass-desert-beach-mountain-Bowser Castle infested with the gimmicky element of the day.
I mean, look at Dream Team. You have a game focused on Luigi's dreams and all you get is 2D versions of game areas with a filter slapped on. It's lazy.
>>318413696
Slow, unchallenging, gets old fast and just not that enjoyable to play
Except we already knew from the beginning that the game was gonna focus on the main Mario cast
You can't seriously still be upset about this
The best thing this game is doing is giving the characters in the main Mario series better representation
As well as the fact that the main gameplay is being improved into 3-man and you have a lot of side content with the toad missions that all vary differently
I'm excited that we get representation of the Koopalings and King Bob-omb
Hell, we are even getting Chargin Chucks and Ant Troopers from 3D World
But whatever floats your boat, you want to shit on it for decided to make an actual Mario World RPG go ahead
I'm gonna be enjoying the fuck out it especially the Paper character interactions
>>318401510
Damn straight it was. First Paper Mario game I played and my 2nd favorite Mario game overall.
>>318413243
It's so bad, anon
I was really hyped up and bought it at midnight on release, i fucking LOVED Chibi Robo
It is the blandest, safest, most by-the-books platformer I've ever played. But that isn't even the worst part, I could deal with that because Chibi is adorable.
But what I can't deal with is the myriad of terrible design decisions that plague the game. It should never have gotten past playtesting
What's that? You want to go on to the next level? Well better hope that the spinner doesn't land on the same level you just did, forcing you to play it again! Oh and did I mention you have to watch the same minute long cutscene each time? Also, remember to buy Airheads™ :^)
Costumes are unlocked by literally looking up the codes online, that's what the game tells you to do.
Also, a HUGE chunk of the game is locked behind the chibi amiibo. Without it, you cant buy any of the figures inside the game world and unlock any bonus levels. There's not even anything to spend your money on besides those figurines because the ingame shop only has two items. a backup battery, and a jetpack that saves you if you jump off a cliff
FUCK THAT GAME
>>318413782
>It's lazy to build a game on a gameplay mechanic
Superstar saga did the same fucking thing though, with the "gimmick" being whatever new move you learned used in the area
>>318413305
not them, but dream team wasn't very subtle with its occasional padding segment
>break a bunch of rocks
>break a bunch of rocks while on this machine
>multiple Pi'illos in the same location requiring Luigi to nap on one at a time to access a really tiny 2D area to advance
>kamek's stupid door locking bullshit
>>318414287
>>318414030
Is it really that bad? Holy fuck. Guess I just saved 40 bucks then. Thanks anons.
>>318414408
>Superstar saga did the same fucking thing though
You'd think 10+ years would be enough time to step away from a stale formula and try something unique. But people like you are satisfied with things like Fawful heads at the beach and googly eyes at the dreamy beach.
>>318411879
Oh no let's ignore all the gameplay videos that clearly show that the gameplay mechanic has improved
Overworld is more zoomed out and you can sprint
No more Garbage 2D sections that plagued DT and BiS
>>318411904
Lost their magic how?
Because they didn't give you a story you wanted?
>>318414424
I miss the weirdness of Superstar Saga andPartners in Time
BiS is too "random" instead of weird and DT is too serious.
>>318414149
>they slapped in more nostalgic garbage so it's good
I bet you were sucking PiT's dick for having Yoshi's Island music
>>318414748
>No more Garbage 2D sections that plagued DT and BiS
Not the same anon, but it makes me more hyped than I was already. So happy with this.
>>318412845
>another M&L game with a unique story setup wasted by BetaDream playing it safe
AlphaDream told off Miyamoto during Dream Team's development. I don't know what you're talking about.
>>318412862
You'll love the fact there's...a Paper Petey as well.
>>318415131
>AlphaDream told off Miyamoto
Incorrect, they told of Nintendo. Miyamoto was never fiddled with a M&L game.
>>318415131
I'm talking about a game taking place on a brand new island location focusing on Luigi's dreams being nothing more than a reskinned slog through recycled series staples.
>still no decent footage that isn't facecam/LP garbage
>Mario & Luigi has become extremely formulaic
>Paper Mario went full retard
Someone tell them games don't have to be one extreme.
>>318415653
>every site links to that one facecam faggot doing doing obnoxious voices for everyone
+Gameplay improved into 3 man fight system
+Paper Mario has his own mechanics like the copy ability and can block and flutter jump
+Overworld is more zoomed and you can sprint
+Main point of the mashup is for characters that appeared in both series to interact with each other
+Enemies and their Paper Counterparts attack and must be avoided very differently from each other
+More Mario series representation for character that haven't been properly implemented like Bowser Jr, Koopalings, King Bob-Omb, Chargin Chucks, Ninji's, as well as newer characters like Nabbit and Ant Troopers
+No more 2D Platforming sections like DT and BIS
+Fireball Bros moves is back to the fast paced BIS version
-Main Mario series only
-The plot is simply Bowser and Paper Bowser
That's literally it
If your gonna let the flaws really bother you, then by all means ignore the game but don't pretend the game isn't gonna be great
>>318416049Vould we get a list of pros and cons from a non-biased guy whose posted twice already?
>>318404326
>>318410914
>>318411634
>>318414149
>>318416049
>>318416154
take it easy you autistic fink-rat
>>318416049
>>318416154
Add -Side missions are just rescue Toads, and this list would be unbiased.
>>318400903
>IGN and Polygon
I fucking hate Nintendo anon but why are you bothering to use those fucking sites?
>>318416487
I'll never forgive the faggot that gave Godhand a fucking 3.0
>>318416049
You forgot some
+R button speeds up dialogue
+Bowser Jr. gets character development and isn't just there
-Same old area themes
-Trio Attacks have the longest start-up in the series
-Battle Cards come nowhere near the level of badge customization
>>318399552
JUST
I am hyped for this game. it looks like paper mario is going to elavate the gameplay above DT level and that's really the most important thing to me
>>318416970
>>318417054
you dont view the whole cardboard hammer animations of the trio attacks after the first time.
>>318403519
Superstar Saga still had the usual grassland, desert, forest, tropical beach, etc. I'll admit the bean aesthetic helps it a lot, but every game in the series consists at least half of the usual Mario area tropes. It's not that big of a deal
>>318417402
>It's not that big of a deal
if you like eating the same shit every time sure
you might like the nsmb series and call of duty
>>318408874
Because NSMB is like a cancer.
All Mario games in general used to be much more creative before NSMB came out.
3d Mario and Mario Kart are the only ones who haven't been infected by the cancer, yet.
Anyone have a list of all the bosses?
>>318417402
>every game does it, so it's not bad
That's a dangerous mindset.
>>318412693
>>318397420
>>318403124
They played you retards knowing you will react like this and you all fell for it.
Retarded sheep
>>318417402
I didn't care for places like Hoohoo Mountain and Gwarhar Lagoon, but I did like the following places the most: Chucklehuck Woods, Hoohoo Hooniversity (I'm a sucker for areas in buildings), and Little Fungitown.
>>318417402
>First area is a purple field of stardust and meteors
>Second area is the ruins of an ancient mountain dwelling civilization
>Third is a castle town of bean people
>Then a fucked up forest/Soda factory
>Creepy ass university where all the students have been turned into monsters
>A dried up ocean with skeleton pirates that leads to the mushroom embassy up in the clouds
>I dont even know how to describe Joke's End
SS was creative as fuck, man
>>318417725
I hope the mainline Mario games aren't ever affected like this. Tezuka said something like revitalizing the 2D series. I don't know if it will be a good thing or a bad thing with Nintendo.
>>318417859
Superstar Saga was so fucking good man, I loved little fungi town
>That minigame with Geno
>Bowletta fucking shit up
>Luigi going through an existential crisis and risking his life to save a poisoned Mario
>>318417869
For the most part, the desert wasn't really that interesting, and I thought Joke's End was kind of bland.
>>318397332
Kyle Bosman is based as fuck and he already knows the game will be bad
>>318417801
incomplete but
>Petey
>Paper Petey
>Pokey and Tower Power Pokey
>Paper Kamek and Wiggler
>King Bomb-omb
>Roy and Wendy
>the other Koopalings
>Papercraft Goomba
>Papercraft Kamek
>Papercraft Bowser Jr.
>Bowser and Paper Bowser (duh)
>>318418157
Luigi's jump sounded like Mario during that segment. He was under hypnosis.
>>318418249
WOW KING BOB-OMB AND THE KOOPALINGS?
THEY'RE REMEMBERING OLD THINGS
10/10 GAME, ABSOLUTELY FLAWLESS
YOU GUYS ARE RETARDED IF YOU DISAGREE
>>318418249
>>318418249
Are they fucking serious.
>>318418249
Aside from King Bob-omb, this is kind of a lame list. Hopefully they have better surprises.
>>318418249
>brought back wiggler
>no popple
>>318418783
more like nigger thief
>>318418906
He is a literal beaner
>>318418783
i liked that they brought back popple in DT for a bit but they JUST needed his theme for it to be perfect
his theme is great
not sure why Nintendo dropped it there
>>318419053
They should've given Fawful his own theme in SSS.
>>318419053
because its neo nintendo hahaha
weeeenus peeeeenus
