>I detest the term "SJW." The fact the gaming community has reduced the concept of fighting for social justice to a pejorative is, in a word, pathetic.
>What we are really talking about here is advocacy and, hopefully, advocacy is something that we can agree is an important process in our society.
>When people advocate for stronger female characters and greater cultural diversity in games, it is not about following some superficial SJW/PC agenda, but rather recognizing that new viewpoints allow for new stories. These new stories can have a significant impact.
>This is what I try to do when I advocate for greater diversity in games. I'm showing my appreciation for developers and publishers who take that risk to recognize other audiences. I want to reinforce that these design decisions are good. They help.
>There's still this big marketing fear that if a piece of media doesn't have a white male lead, it won't succeed. But recent studies are showing that African American and Latino youth play games more than their white counterparts, and with women now accounting for over half of all gamers, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep ignoring these markets in terms of character and story representation.
>It is all of these yet-to-be-told stories, the ones that go beyond generic scruffy white guy #25 and generic sexy warrior girl #100, that will allow us to expand our understanding of the human experience.
>A recent study has shown that people are starting to extract more meaning out of their video games. It is often creative storytelling that inspires new, innovative mechanics. Imagine the gameplay possibilities if we could undertake the harrowing journey of the refugees currently pouring out of Syria and the Middle East. Or if we could take the role of a black teenager growing up in Detroit or Chicago. Of a gay woman in Russia. A war orphan in Africa. Having that does't mean Mario, Call of Duty and Final Fantasy are going to be replaced.
Thoughts on this, lads?
video games
>>318379395
anthropology has no words on fads and social behavior the fuck is this shit.
>>318379395
>women now accounting for over half of all gamers
Oh boy here we go again.
When a character has a huge roster of diverse characters it's always more interesting for me, but I wouldn't want every single game to be that way and I don't want to play the same kind of game forever.
It's as simple as that. There's no 'need'. There's 'want'.
I agree with him actually
>>318379504
Game*
Fuck.
>I-it's about anthropology in video games!
Whatever, SJW.
How about developers just worry about making good games?
No, having a black gender-queer xenmorph does not automatically make your game good just because it is diverse.
tldr
>>318379395
>Having that does't mean Mario, Call of Duty and Final Fantasy are going to be replaced.
But it already means that DOAX3 is being replaced so fuck off with your cherry picked examples, faggot.
But an anthropologist isn't supposed to fucking interfere with the subject of study you stupid fuckwit!
>>318379395
>There's still this big marketing fear that if a piece of media doesn't have a white male lead, it won't succeed. But recent studies are showing that African American and Latino youth play games more than their white counterparts, and with women now accounting for over half of all gamers, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep ignoring these markets in terms of character and story representation.
The same old bullshit
Every day
>>318379395
>Kotaku
Discarded
I need views, lads
Explain to me one reason why diversity is bad.
>>318379486
Got any evidence to the contrary?
No? Didn't think so.
>>318379395
Didn't read, OP. Why do you care about this stuff?
>>318379395
generally i agree with most of that
>>318379395
>Anthropologist
Yeah right and I am the fucking Pope.
Thanks for triggering me by reminding me of combo chicken, OP
>>318379395
>I'm not X i'm Y :^)
>critical thinking tactics
Thanks Obama
>>318379395
>Imagine the gameplay possibilities if we could undertake the harrowing journey of the refugees currently pouring out of Syria and the Middle East. Or if we could take the role of a black teenager growing up in Detroit or Chicago. Of a gay woman in Russia. A war orphan in Africa
OK I can see the gameplay of being a refugee or war orphan. I can see it for a black kid in Detroid too since San Andreas exist.
But what the fuck are the gameplay possibilities of being a lesbian in Russia. Neither being a lesbian nor being in Russia would affect gameplay differently than being straight or in another country.
I don't even disagree. I don't mind more different colored protagonists, what I mind is the constant whining at games that don't have them, as if that somehow isn't allowed.
>>318379620
Lets say you make a game populated with nothing but white dudes. It's a shit game and it flops. No one bats an eye.
Now lets say you make a game featuring a wide and diverse cast. It's a shit game and flops so you scream about privileged gamers and how your project is being sidelined by the Patriarchy and suddenly you get a bunch of sales from people that don't want the game but want to spite the very idea of oppression.
Minorities are a shield against criticism these days.
>>318379395
You expect to read all that shit? Fuck that, I'm going to sleep.
>Imagine the gameplay possibilities if we could undertake the harrowing journey of the refugees currently pouring out of Syria and the Middle East. Or if we could take the role of a black teenager growing up in Detroit or Chicago. Of a gay woman in Russia. A war orphan in Africa.
Sounds mighty fucking boring, actually
>>318379395
>women count as half of gamers
I play AAA trash (friends play cod and other shit) and I only see a girl gamer like once a week.
>>318379765
It isn't bad. It's also not inherently good either. It's change for the sake of change.
>>318379765
human mind is build on "me and my friends vs them". diversity without enemy simply, literally doesn't work.
>>318379395
you know this thread was deleted two hours ago for a reason, right?
>games about mudskins invading yurop, niggers in the hood, African niggers, fags in Russia, etc
Who the FUCK wants to play shit like this???
>>318379395
My problem with this bullshit is that people bully developers that don't follow suit with this retarded view of entertainment. Devs should have the freedom of doing whatever the hell they want, that includes making a female MC and sexualize her for the sake of profit or maybe not.
>>318379864
thats a great anecdote, have you considered submitting it for peer review?
>>318379395
He/she's a sjw who hates the term sjw since it's gotten a really bad reputation.
No matter how he/she hides and claim he/she isn't... he/she's a sjw.
>>318379395
>It is all of these yet-to-be-told stories, the ones that go beyond generic scruffy white guy #25 and generic sexy warrior girl #100, that will allow us to expand our understanding of the human experience.
So this guy thinks that stories about white men are no longer capable of "expanding our understanding of the human experience," but that some video game stories about other people will.
It's a video game not a novel. If expanding the human experience is your aim go write a book. If your goal is to make a good game then make a good game. Character ethnicity is irrelevant.
>>318379771
>evidence to the contrary
Burden of proof on your side.
>bacon1eggs
Literally cancer.
>I am not fat
>I just have big bones
>>318379504
Mistaking want for need is precisely what opinionated people behind a computer screen do since there's no standing social logic surrounding them to prevent them from saying something stupid and cringing at themselves.
>>318379395
He's right though. Greater diversity allows multiple viewpoints. Nowadays almost all games have a straight 30 something male protagonist with stubble and no sense of humor and dark depressing thoughts...and that's it. Now I'm not saying there shouldn't be any games like this, but when ALL follow this trend, there is a problem.
I'd like to see some teenage guy saving the world. Or a twentysomething woman being in the army in space, fighting mutant humans, showing her view of the story. Maybe even an elderly fat wizard overcoming struggles.or a transgender woman vanquishing an opressive king who murdered her brotheror some fags falling in love on the battlefield
>>318379936
>So this guy thinks that stories about white men are no longer capable of "expanding our understanding of the human experience," but that some video game stories about other people will.
hes saying that kind of story has already been told to death.
>>318379395
If this person wasn't retarded, he'd know that the exact problem people tend to have with "fighting for diversity in games", is how most of them, and most likely including the person writing this, wants to change and replace already existing characters and franchises to fit their shitty agenda that ultimately they are doing just to feel better about themselves.
This whole shit is mainly done by selfish assholes that are just looking for a good feel trip. If they ACTUALLY wanted to fucking create more variety in games, they'd talk a lot more about the good games that has it, rather than focus on all that they perceive as "Bad" for the sake of moral superiority.
Bone explains this perfectly.
>>318379771
This is real demographics, not just a sample size.
http://mynintendonews.com/2014/08/28/nintendo-reveals-demographics-of-wii-u-eshop-users-males-account-for-93-and-females-only-7/
>>318379874
if it aint bad, than why the hostility towards it.
>>318379882
The enemy is whoever isn't as diverse as you, as shown in that very article.
>this thread gets 45 replies in 10 minutes
And this board wonders why it's the laughing stock of 4chan.
>>318379627
Good goys, fight the power by importing our shitty porn game. You hate SJWs, don't you? Well, you can defend freedom for only $299.99 (+ $124.99 international shipping costs)!
In fact, you should import TWO copies! You don't want Anita to win, do you?
>>318379395
>But recent studies are showing that African American and Latino youth play games more than their white counterparts
Citation needed. Is anyone familiar with this study? I highly doubt that, given that white people make up the vast majority of the population, and especially since he lists the bullshit 50% of gamers are women thing right after it.
>>318379395
>Gameplay Possibilities
>Discusses things that would only matter to the narrative, not to the gameplay
My favorite, solid 9/10 bait here
>>318379395
>When people advocate for stronger female characters and greater cultural diversity in games, it is not about following some superficial SJW/PC agenda, but rather recognizing that new viewpoints allow for new stories. These new stories can have a significant impact.
I actually agree, too bad stories have nothing to do with how enjoyable most games are. People play videogames to have fun, not neccisairly to follow a story. That's a form of entertainment any other media can provide, so most gamers (I'd hope) have that at the lowest priority on their list of 'important video game features'.
>There's still this big marketing fear that if a piece of media doesn't have a white male lead, it won't succeed. But recent studies are showing that African American and Latino youth play games more than their white counterparts, and with women now accounting for over half of all gamers, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep ignoring these markets in terms of character and story representation.
STUDIES have also shown gamers actually give zero fucks about who or WHAT they even play as; they just want good games. This is why videogames were still popular back in the mascot days. The person who made this article is either nearly underage or feigning ignorance to push an agenda, there is no other explanation.
>>318379929
:^)
Well they always account for mobile games for this shit. Do you honestly believe there's a 50/50 split on PC/PS/XBox ?
>African American and Latino youth play games more than their white counterparts
>women now accounting for over half of all gamers
That's awesome, this means the industry is working as intended and all those people like it the way it is now, no need to change.
>>318379765
Good diversity is when all the different cultures can exist within a society and yet still be unique
Shit diversity which people are forcing these days is when everything is thrown into a fucking blender and as a result there is actually no diversity at all.
>>318379997
whats the methodology?
>>318379929
He is right, take the top 10 NPD best selling games of any month and say with a straight face that a majority of the user base that play those games are women. Because you will be full of shit.
>>318380035
>people replying to threads is embarrassing, somehow
Fuck outta here
>>318379395
>Imagine the gameplay possibilities if we could undertake the harrowing journey of the refugees currently pouring out of Syria
So what, a game where you walk in crowds on the highway and throw bricks at truckers trying to do their job? Steal from stores while the police look on and do nothing out of fear of racism?
Guess I could enjoy a game like that for a few hours at least.
>>318379480
>>318379678
Yep. Any good anthropologist would document and study those changes and evolution in a given society, instead of forcing a view or to try to make a change through their subjective lenses.
It's even more laughable if they only look at the gaming community as the society in question.
>>318379395
>Imagine the gameplay possibilities if we could undertake the harrowing journey of the refugees currently pouring out of Syria and the Middle East. Or if we could take the role of a black teenager growing up in Detroit or Chicago.
Gameplay possibilities = propaganda.
Bot I sure do love how a fun medium is becoming an indoctrination tool.
But lets play.
>if we could undertake the harrowing journey of the refugees currently pouring out of Syria and the Middle East
Rapelay,
>Or if we could take the role of a black teenager growing up in Detroit or Chicago.
GTA SA
>Of a gay woman in Russia.
Gone Home but with slavspeak. (This isnt even an interesting game setting, it has nothing to do with gameplay and is entirely about pushing an agenda)
>A war orphan in Africa.
Dont starve.
I dont know whos a bigger fucking retard
/pol/ posters on /v/
or me for thinking my posts will make a difference
>Imagine the gameplay possibilities if we could undertake the harrowing journey of the refugees currently pouring out of Syria and the Middle East. Or if we could take the role of a black teenager growing up in Detroit or Chicago. Of a gay woman in Russia. A war orphan in Africa
And then imagine the subsequent screaming and hand-wringing that developers are "trivializing" these issues by making games about them. Mostly from the same people who demanded the games be made to begin with.
>>318380000
Because they make it the focus. Look at Ubispft who paraded the fact that their latest assassin's creed had a playable female role. Who fucking cares?
If you want diversity then you can have it, no problem. But don't act like it makes your game any better or worse than any other game.
>>318379620
Having tits and lingerie in games doesn't make them good either yet you cry when they get removed.
Video games
>>318379395
But don't most anthropologists think that race is a social construct, and has no basis in biology? If that's the case, then how can it possible make sense to demand more diversity? If race isn't a valid concept, how can they argue that we need more racial diversity?
It makes my head spin.
>>318379985
then what's stopping you from playing any of the final fantasy games or undertale?´
Or Metroid (woman in space fighting mutants) or alien isolation (p.o.v. of a woman in space)
the point is: those games exist, you just don't think about them because that'd break -your- bubble
>>318380079
i wouldn't presume to know without actually doing some research
but please feel free to seek whatever confirms your existing beliefs
>>318380035
It gets 45 replies in ten minutes because it's the second most active board after /b/, aka /v/ with videogames
now fuck off back to your dead board
>>318379765
It isn't bad in and of itself. What's bad is trying to force creators to create things with added diversity to cater to some sort of "diversity quota", thus tarnishing the work. Change "just because" is also bad, and I think anybody should be able to make whatever the hell they want without having to hear a billion whiny cunts moaning about how racist/sexist it is.
>>318379395
>new viewpoints allow for new stories
Nah, not really. Would Half-Life have been better if Gordon was a mute woman instead? Would Doom have been better if Doomguy's little face at the bottom of the screen showed a woman? Games are about MECHANICS, not stories, and 99% of game mechanics aren't affected by the gender or sexuality of the characters involved.
If you can come up with an interesting game where being a gay black Russian or whatever actually affects the mechanics, then kudos, but most SJW games don't. They make boring text adventures so they can cram their social views down your throat without requiring any fucking gameplay.
>>318379771
bejewel, candy crush and farmville don't count
FUCK DIVERSITY
REEEE
WHITE MALES ONLY
STRAIGHTS ONLY
REEEE
>>318380058
I actually agree with every SJW out there because I too hate gamers with a passion
There is nobody else that us below the rest of humanity so much as a gamer
>>318380097
Customer database simple SQL request.
>>318379985
What if the woman character acts exactly like a male would in space war. I feel like the game they want to make would tell you every five minutes that you're playing with a minorirty female instead of focusing on the character.
>>318379985
>I'd like to see some teenage guy saving the world
Play any JRPG
>a twentysomething woman being in the army in space, fighting mutant humans
I can guarantee that 3/4th of her view would still be filled with a gun model thanks to console limitations.
>Maybe even an elderly fat wizard overcoming struggles
Wizardry had little to do with physical capabilities. I doubt it'd differ all that much.
>>318380097
How retarded do you have to be to ask for methodology in this case?
>we have 200k users
>10 k claim to be female
>HUUUR WHAT'S YOUR METHODOLOGY
are you legit retarded?
>Thread about video games
2 replies and eventually 404s
>Thread about some retard on the internet saying retarded things
Thread reaches post limit
>>318380223
why are creators entitled to good things said about them just by virtue of creating something?
>>318380237
thanks for that input mr. mcintosh.
>>318380186
>then what's stopping you from playing any of the final fantasy games or undertale?´
>Metroid
I hate those
>alien isolation
fair enough
>>318379997
Most of those male accounts are really women who are forced to say that they're male out of fear of sexual harassment online.
>>318380000
If it ain't good, why the push towards it?
>>318379395
My thought on this is that its a separate plee to make sjws have some power over the market. Sunset Strip and other gamshave tried pandering and become failures for it. The market I speaking and feminist agendas do not work.
If half of women play games then as they are now is the gold standard. You can not have a better balance than the actual population ratio.
>>318380271
They aren't. But they should be campaigned against for making something they want to make, when there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a cast biased towards one race. We see a lot of white leads because that's what game devs want to make.
>>318380097
Is called performing a query. If you weren't a SJW faglord you would know how to perform a simple database search.
>>318380058
>I actually agree
but it's literally wrong. Doom doesn't become deeper if the MC is chinese, or the demons white CIS male.
the cultural stuff is merely flavour that is neutral to the game quality. Black Mario would be good because it's a platformer by Shigeru miyamoto, not because watermelon and guns power ups are somehow more enlighteneing than shrooms and flowers
>>318380267
what constitutes a user? that seems like a pretty important detail, and something that would be a part of the methodology. especially since i am told this is not a sample, yet the wii u has a few million units sold.
>>318380320
It's a fucking store account. No one else sees it but you. Who the fuck is going to harass you, Nintendo's IT?
> Imagine the gameplay possibilities if we could undertake the harrowing journey of the refugees currently pouring out of Syria and the Middle East.
Back in 2004 an Australian team attempted to make a game about refugees breaking out of a detention centre. It got shitcanned because no one would fund it.
The writer doesn't get it.
>Thinking people wanna keep generic white guys as protags
>Generalizing the entire fucking industry as being full of generic white guy characters
It's an accusation that's flat out fucking wrong and happens only because you're a casual shit who only plays big budget western titles.
Speaking of, a good number of those are made in the US for US players. Where the population is still about 70% white and generally prefers to see men doing action-y shit.
If you want something different:
Stop looking to creatively bankrupt big budget titles
Stop metaphorically riling up a fucking hornet's nest every time a game comes out that doesn't adhere to your sensibilities
Stop ignoring games that take steps in the "right" direction, or worse bashing them for including elements that you don't agree with. Bayonetta is best example of this one.
Stay positive. This little culture war that's been going on has only further proven that negative reinforcement doesn't fucking work. Let diversity happen naturally, because it will happen. Creative minds love to work with as many tools as possible, but only if you stop stifling. No one's going to make unique roles for females or different races or sexuality if they think it's gonna be scrutinized to hell and back. Stop pushing and just let progress happen on its own, fuck.
This board belong to /pol/ now
Good bye my friends
Perhaps some day, we will meet again
>>318379765
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/immigration-diversity-and-social-cohesion
http://politicalscience.ku.dk/staff/Academic_staff/?pure=files%2F130251172%2FDinesen_S_nderskov_Ethnic_Diversity_and_Social_Trust_Forthcoming_ASR.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam#Diversity_and_trust_within_communities
Multiple studies showing diversity negatively effects social cohesion, showing people in more "diverse" places, are less envolved with their community and more distrustful.
>>318380361
Are you intentionally acting retarded or?
>>318380391
>Who the fuck is going to harass you, Nintendo's IT?
Wouldn't be the first time.
>>318379395
>Having that does't mean Mario, Call of Duty and Final Fantasy are going to be replaced.
and yet these people are STILL bitching about linkle not replacing link in a 'real' zelda game
>>318380428
What does that have to do with video games?
>>318380404
What sort of gameplay could that have without making everyone livid?
>>318380184
It doesn't matter to them. Logic is oppressive.
>>318380260
>>318380267
>>318380349
Go back to gg, you science bullies.
>>318380348
you see a lot of white leads because PUBLISHERS see it as the path of least resistance to sell copies.
plenty of AAA devs will tell you that tons of their more creative ideas are funneled in service of emulating commercial success.
so please stop pretending that making a brown haired 35 year old scruffy faced white male protag is somehow an act of bravery or even artistic integrity
>When people advocate for stronger female characters and greater cultural diversity in games, it is not about following some superficial SJW/PC agenda, but rather recognizing that new viewpoints allow for new stories. These new stories can have a significant impact.
I'd rather there be good stories, but originality, if that's what she means by new, is good, too. But that's pretty vague.
>This is what I try to do when I advocate for greater diversity in games. I'm showing my appreciation for developers and publishers who take that risk to recognize other audiences. I want to reinforce that these design decisions are good. They help.
Again, as long as the end result is a good story, that's fine. But I don't know how diversity is the best foundation for a good story. If the end result is a good story, yea, they should be reinforced.
>There's still this big marketing fear that if a piece of media doesn't have a white male lead, it won't succeed. But recent studies are showing that African American and Latino youth play games more than their white counterparts, and with women now accounting for over half of all gamers, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep ignoring these markets in terms of character and story representation.
Which makes sense if the whatever comes out is good. But I get it, there are changing demographics that could be better reflected in our media.
In 2016, I will vote for Trump. I hope you enjoy that story.
>>318379835
The "anthropologists" don't care about gameplay. They want you to walk through a story.
>>318379985
>Greater diversity allows multiple viewpoints.
Funny, becuase this "diversity" bullshit, is all about pushing one viewpoint. Anyone else who doesnt share your view must be shamed, excommunicated, or somehow punished for stepping out of line.
>>318380320
Bull fucking shit
Unless you have user names like "cutegirl21" there's not reason people should know your gender, this goes for males as well. We just assume everyone is male of the name doesn't have any gender connotations.
>>318380320
>nintendo harasses random women when they buy something in the eshop
Is this what you actually believe?
>>318379395
You couldn't make games about any of that shit. Even if you squeezed it past the ratings board it would start a media feeding frenzy of biblical proportions. If it had any game play at all it would be seen as trivializing that shit. If it didn't have game play no one would buy it.
People need to get this shit through their thick skulls. Video games are fucking GAMES not some artistic medium. I don't remember people harping on hasbro to make poignant political statements in their board games. People don't blog about monopoly because it disparages the poor or chess because the white pieces move first.
>>318380349
That's not really fair. Although making a simple query is easy, I imagine that most people would never come across the situation where they would need it.
>>318379992
I doubt a game a about a "black teenager warrior fights a ancient evil" will be very different from the usual "white teenager warrior fights an ancient evil".
>>318380184
>>318380528
I actually got it when I thought about it a little, but I'm not fucking telling you.
Protip: You are both fucking stupid.
>>318379771
Do they have any evidence to support their claim? No. If you count mobile phone apps as games then they are approaching a greater portion of the market, yes.
Actual video games though, nah.
Nintendo released the eshop stats last year that showed 93% of their customers were male.
If Sony or Microsoft were to apply the same test you'd no doubt get similar figures.
>>318380515
It was a point and click adventure game where you try to figure out how to stage an escape. It really only pissed off the Immigration minister because it was critical of his policies.
>>318380431
i want to watch you connect the dots on why a portion of owners of a product shouldnt be considered a sample.
after all, thats what this article is being used as evidece for, remember?
>>318380264
>What if the woman character acts exactly like a male would in space war.
She could.
But what if she isn't your typical jar-headed chick but someone who was forced into the army by the government? What if she was harrassed and abused by her fellow female soldiers and instead made friends with the guys in a neighboring barracks? What if she wasn't as strong as other soldiers so you'd have certain handicaps when fighting - but also benefits, ie: crawling through small spaces, hiding well etc.
And what if she'd say fuck you to all humanity due to the abuse, and she chose to save the mutants because her bros became bitten?
See, there is a unique perspective.
>>318380406
>Let diversity happen naturally, because it will happen
This is the main problem I have with this entire fucking sjw thing. I feel like we were on the right track in terms of racism and sexism, we've had laws against both for quite a while now in most relevant countries, and old people will die out in time. Every generation seemed likely to be less racist/sexist than the last, simply because there was little reason to be.
In come dumb fucking feminists that bully everyone that doesn't agree with them that everything is sexist, and suddenly when I see a woman the first thing I think isn't "that's another person" but "hopefully it's not another fucking feminist". I'm already more sexist than I was before this started happening, I don't even doubt that.
>>318380680
So, for what reason would this not be possible if you just reversed the genders?
>>318380680
Okay, now take everything you just said and switch the character from female to male.
Nothing changes. So why go out of your way to make "diversity"?
>>318380097
>user creates an account
>states sex
>connects to wii online shop
>wii online shop saves the information on that particular user ID's sex
>simple maths reveal the %
Lo and behold, American education at it's finest.
>>318380752
>>318380759
The idea is she's harassed for her gender, numbnuts. If you're actually going to start saying sexism doesn't exist in the army then there's no hope for you.
>>318380680
I feel like there would be a shitstorm because she didn't save her fellow women and saved the "male" mutants. Interesting idea though, but as we have seen this last month with legend of Zelda. You can't win with these people. Imagine playing GTA with Catarina, most people would be fine with it because she's a psychopath just like all the protagonists in the games, but feminists would still bitch about it.
>>318379395
>just another i only play aaa and nintendo sjw
>denying the first generations
cunts like this might be second generation sjws or sjw clones. i feel they cant be replaced with anita and are already dated.
>>318380296
>hurr those games exist but I dislike them
>thus, they don't count
Hwat?
>>318380123
On point
>>318380748
what FACTS do you have to back up the idea that things were becoming less and less racist until those pesky skeletons screwed it all up?
please remember, your feelings are not facts.
>>318380664
Man you have to be fucking retarded. Nintendo clearly told you what that percentage meant.
90% of Wii U sold are connected online
70% of Connected users visit the Eshop regularly.
93% of the Eshop users are male
7% of those users are females
Now you could make a case that Nintendo doesn't have a hold of a lot of female market or that female on general will not buy digital games and prefer physical copies or that Sony and Xbox marketplace has a more equal ratio of male:female customers.
But that would need for YOU to present evidence of that since this is directly from Nintendo, not some 3rd party company that is extrapolating data to present their "controversial" projection.
>>318380680
I wouldn't mind it being a woman, but that perspective doesn't seem all that different from a man having the same things happening to him.
Generally, in extreme situations like the ones games tend to be about, fairly minor factors like skin color and sex just aren't really that relevant. Unless you're making a game about social interaction in a situation that's not that pressing, I doubt it'd impact much.
>>318380891
So she's harassed by females for being female.
>>318380870
>it's
Oh I'm beholding it. Why don't you try that insult again when you pass 3rd grade English?
>>318380870
1) why should i trust the accuracy of the data, 2) how does the data reflect on consoles used by several members of the same household, 3) how is this data set of 200k members anything but a sample of the few million Wii U owners?
>>318379395
VIDEO
FUCKING
GAMES
I HATE YOU
>Imagine the gameplay possibilities... Of a gay woman in Russia.
I did. It's called Artificial Academy 2 and it's pretty awesome.
>>318381038
Well, if she were transgender and it was TERF territory..
Wait, there's actually a game about that, and the dev comes here too.
>>318380680
>but someone who was forced into the army by the government
And when the fuck did that EVER fucking happen? Males have been pushed towards the army and currently you could argue that a poor population have been pushed towards the army as the only means of finding a job or education but when in the name of fuck did a woman was forced to join the army?
>>318380494
it makes you less likely to embrace a diverse casting of characters due to ingrained biological xenophobism and preference for what's known (fear of the unknown being the biggest fear there is) .
Hopefully you can infer on what this leads to .
>>318380891
So it's just GI Jane recycled into space?
>>318381101
>And when the fuck did that EVER fucking happen?
How old are you?
>>318380891
You said she was harassed by the fellow female soldiers. So she was harassed by her fellow females.
So what changes when you switch all the genders? Nothing.
>it's about sexism in the army!
Nice goalpost moving too, but we ain't falling for it.
>>318380891
>she's harassed by women soldiers because she's a woman in the army
what
>>318380680
>Woman called to war by the government
hahahahahaahha good one
>>318379395
>gameplay possibilities of a Syrian refugee.
so..lots of walking and bad living conditions until they get into Germany.
Sounds revolutionary to me, sign me up. 10/10 inspiring. Would highly recommend actually walking from Syria to Germany.
>>318381101
How young are you? Go look at Israel you retarded teenager.
>>318381171
>>318381175
See >>318381098
I'm actually not this guy >>318380680, but I came up with a more interesting idea, so fuck him.
>>318380950
I don't have any on me regarding racism, but this looks pretty pro-women to me.
>>318381160
Since when women are drafted to the military and are sent to Iraq or Sandagistan against her will? There are women in the army I will give you that, I serve with a few in Iraq but they aren't by any fucking means drafted and sent to a war zone against her will or face prosecution and jail time.
>>318381101
>And when the fuck did that EVER fucking happen?
Israel has female national service. Easy as fuck to dodge, but it's there.
>>318380991
>But that would need for YOU to present evidence of that since this is directly from Nintendo, not some 3rd party company that is extrapolating data to present their "controversial" projection.
no, the fact that those opportunities (among others) cannot be controlled by the data should be reason enough not to rely on it for inferences in those particular matters.
you've essentially failed to prove why those figures are useful. all i have to do is laugh at you and post a gif
>>318380752
>>318380759
Yes,it's quite possible to flip the genders. Even then, you'd have a unique perspective. In videogames men are usually quite capable and manly, why not make a smaller, femme guy a protagonist? Let's make him straight for hilarity. See! Tropes and rules are made to be broken
>>318380905
>there would be a shitstorm
I know. That's the point. Breaking down expectations and having a shred of originality.
>>>318381101
>And when the fuck did that EVER fucking happen?
it's in space, in the future. humanity is fighting for its survival. just roll with it.
>Males have been pushed towards the army and currently you could argue that a poor population have been pushed towards the army as the only means of finding a job or education
And that is terrible. Could make a game about it, showing the dark side of the army and society.
>>318381216
Basically a Muslim-based Oregon Trail, but with radicals hunting you and your family down, as well as government militia/police in other countries.
>>318381216
Just re-purpose space invaders
>>318380950
>your feelings are not facts.
That's not what they said said to me
>>318380332
Very good point
>A recent study has shown that people are starting to extract more meaning out of their video games. It is often creative storytelling that inspires new, innovative mechanics. Imagine the gameplay possibilities if we could undertake the harrowing journey of the refugees currently pouring out of Syria and the Middle East. Or if we could take the role of a black teenager growing up in Detroit or Chicago. Of a gay woman in Russia. A war orphan in Africa. Having that does't mean Mario, Call of Duty and Final Fantasy are going to be replaced.
Here's the real problem
Refugiees from Syria: Real world shit
Black teenager in Detroit: Real world shit
Gay woman in Russia: Real world shit
War orphan in Africa: Real world shit
Mario: Made-up fantasy
Final Fantasy: Made-up fantasy
Call of Duty: Loosely based on real world stuff
>>318381317
>In videogames men are usually quite capable and manly
If you only play AAA trash, then yeah.
>>318381359
ok thats great.
what does that have to do with me?
>>318381261
There are more countries in the world than America you dumb twat. And an infinite amount of countries in fantasy video game stories.
>>318381232
>>318381160
>Israel
Wippy doo. Why the fuck should I care? Also it is really easy for those female to ditch service if they don't want to.
You feminist crow are really fucking idiotic when you want to talk about the army, since you mostly have never even fire a gun in your fucking lifetime let alone serve your country.
>>318381371
Metal Gear has a clear anti-nuke and anti-war message and people seem to be fine with that.
Hell, the latest game has fucking child soldiers.
>>318381295
>Get proven wrong beyond any doubt
>Spew nonsense and try to pretend your argument isn't now totally invalid
>post a gif in the hopes it detracts from the obvious ass blast you are suffering from
Jesus. I'm not the guy you were talking to, I just wanted to hop in and let you know you're pretty embarrassing.
I'll post a gif too, because apparently those help make our points now.
>>318381443
Dude described a fantasy setting with aliens, it isn't much of a reach to say they include chicks in the draft in this particular story.
>>318380438
>citation needed
>>318379395
>A recent study has shown that people are starting to extract more meaning out of their video games
What study? And what the hell does that even mean? "Extract more meaning out of their video games"?
But it's a Kotaku article so I doubt they have any sources.
>>318381317
Have you played Rayman? It's a unique platformer from the perspective of a disabled person that doesn't even have any limbs. It's really quite amazing!
>>318381512
>a fantasy setting
yeah I should fix that
a fictional setting in the future with an alien invasion
>>318381317
> In videogames men are usually quite capable and manly, why not make a smaller, femme guy a protagonist?
who are you. look like a weeb pretending like a sjw.
>>318381537
>it's a kotaku article
No, it's destructoid
>>318381390
Stop oppressing me.
>>318381537
>And what the hell does that even mean? "Extract more meaning out of their video games"?
It means retards are reading too deep into games and trying to find deep social messages where there are none.
>>318381497
lets take a look here
Is it a demographic of the video games user base? Nope
Is it a demographic of the non-mobile video games userbase? Nope
is it real demographics of the Wii U userbase? Nope
Is it even a demographic, instead of a sample?
Nope.
Is the poster attempting to present it as each of the above. Yup.
>>318381489
Metal Gear is a fun and solid game first and foremost. The messages are heavily in the background. That's like saying "JRPGs have friendship messages". They do but they don't really matter. And nobody is pro-nuke anyway so it's not exactly a political message.
>>318381443
>WHEN THE FUCKING FUCK DID FUCKING THIS FUCKING EVER FUCKING FUCK HAPPEN FUCK
>"This time"
>FUCK WHY WOULD I FUCKING GIVE A FUCK ABOUT FUCKING SHIT FUCKING LIKE FUCKING THAT
Jesus Christ, I see its your first week on 4chan. Come back when you're over 18.
>>318381043
>it's
oh right, it's used incorrectly. My bad. However, as for the rest of your post, please become a poliglote and then respond in any language of your choosing :^)
>>318381052
1) because it's oficial Nintendo data. you can't dispute the results from that sample. Only argue that it -might- not reflect the global share. In which case, the burden of proof falls on you. (continued on 3)
2) that's valid but ultimately stupid. No one questions how many people use my PC or my PS4. Or even my Steam account.
3) it isn't a 200k set of members, they didn't reveal how many users were mined. This question of "validity" in sample size is one statisticians have studied thoroughly and more aptly understand than yourself. Only when they reveal actual # can you really question this.
For reference, sample sizes of as little as 5/10% are commonly used in your everyday life. Even less. What changes is the margin of error (which wouldn't be significative in this case because there's so little females anyway)
So you're arguing "THE RESULTS ARE NOT EXACTLY RIGHT" and you're an idiot for it. Because statistics are never about exact results in the first place.
>>318380184
Anthropologists study humanity as a whole. Archeologists who dig up ancient human relics, scientists who temporarily integrate into african tribes to document their experiences with a different branch of humanity and people who study apes and gorillas and such for the sake of their connection with humanity are anthropologists. They couldn't give less of a fuck about race being a 'social construct' or not.
Sociologists study societies and human's roles within them. What you're arguing against is within their sphere, they're the ones who go on about oppression and microaggressions and social constructs and the patriarchy and all that.
>>318379853
It sounds like they want a sob story and not FUN
>>318379395
>new stories
Sorry, I'm here to play a game. What fundamental, game-changing mechanic will me playing as Rahjeet introduce? DLC Splatoon character who smears their own shit on the floor instead of ink?
Poo in the loo.
Or maybe my black character will have higher speed, but wouldn't that be shattering the progressive delusion that there aren't inherent genetic differences between ethnicities?
>>318381809
They want political propaganda.
>>318380680
>women
>drafted into war
For all your SJW bullshit, you fail to realize that women have historically been exempt from -all- drafts.
And when joining up, take desk jobs or fuck up morale in the front line.
>>318381707
>I like the game so it's okay
Also, the messages are not heavily in the background. Look at this shit. How is this in the background?
>>318381871
you seem really really against the idea, why?
>>318380320
yeah, because splatoon and monster hunter 4 are "women unfriendly environments" STFU
>>318381489
Yeah, i'm sure people love the series of the messages, not for the great gameplay, the stupid jokes, retarded bosses. over the top twists and fun gimmicks.
>>318381746
1. I don't distrust that Nintendo is honest in reporting the data they gathered. I have no reason to believe their data is accurate.
2. I think its important especially for a console specifically marketed to families.
3. I am being charitable by assuming the data set is every user. It being anything less than that actually makes the argument that the data is not just a sample, even weaker.
keep in mind the stakes here are that the data is not a sample, its a 1:1 measure of a demographic
>>318381696
I'm not going to get into the same argument you just had with him.
I've seen with my own eyes you are unable to acknowledge facts. I don't wish to waste time on someone like you. I'm content just being a sounding board for your bullshit so you can't waste it on a more naive soul.
>>318381730
I was talking about America. I served and not a single women on the service didn't want to serve. Shit not of us wanted to be in a war zone but we made our choice the day we joined.
Saying bullshit like "how about the story of a woman that was forced to join the army" is fucking bullshit because it has no fucking grounds in reality and it only works to pander to a crow that doesn't even respect the people that died in the line of duty to serve and protect the interest of the same nation as this fucking ingrates.
Yeah lest fucking fight for equality in videogames and syrian refugees when 1/10 of former veterans are fucking homeless or are so fucked up that lose everything in their lives...
Go fuck yourself.
>>318381871
It's a space war, anon, apparently perpetrated by space jews, who are internally sexist against their own women for being conscripted. In return she betrays her own species, because that's rational, and the player learns that the military is awful and they shouldn't participate in it.
>>318381897
because even men shouldn't be conscripted. It's literal slavery, but actually much, much worse, because you're not only forced to serve but you can be killed,tortured, and dismembered.
>>318381954
i accept your apology
>>318381930
But that still doesn't mean it can't work. What if the game about a russian dyke was a point and click with great puzzles and amazing music/visuals? It still fits the author's idea of a game about a russian dyke.
>>318381975
I swear I've read that book. Spots the Space marine.
>>318382001
I meant the idea of gender-restrictions being lifted in a distant-future war story.
>>318381889
It's in the ending. The majority of the game has no message whatsoever. And there's a different between a message and a political message. There's nothing controversial about being anti-nuke, the vast majority of the world is. It's like games where the protagonist is against killing. There's nothing political about it.
>>318381972
You literally have no imagination and fantasy. What are you doing, playing videogames? Go outside and play with your dog, then you won't have to complain about things being unrealistic for you.
>>318382045
Just make it a Russian lesbian that kills pomo academics, by solving puzzles, in order to save her country. It'll be very progressive. :^)
>>318382045
That would be great, too bad the dyke game gone home had nothing like that, just walking around. When they start making good video games people will not care about the protagonist being a disabled black transgender.
>>318382121
>every conflict in every game is caused by nukes
>the endings talk about how nukes are bad
>NO
>MESSAGE
>WHATSOEVER
>>318382014
Thank you. I'm sorry I tried to argue with cold hard facts. You were right to correct me over this.
I'm glad we can agree that the non-mobile gaming community is still vastly populated by males and non yet attracting women.
>>318381696
That is how statistic works. Grab a fucking book instead of your liberal major and think that numbers are racist or something.
You could be arguing about the reliability or the reflection of the data on reality but instead you are arguing semantics. You are fucking retarded and beyond help. You don't discuss data (numbers) with semantics you discuss them with numbers and those numbers means and how they represent reality.
>>318382108
oh, I'm not the guy you were replying to. I just told you what's wrong with conscription, be it in the future or in the present or past.
>>318382159
>people will not care about the protagonist being a disabled black transgender.
So what's with all of the complaining on /v/ about indivisible having brown people then?
>>318382306
Shitposters.
>>318382135
And you are a retard. See every single famous work of fiction, all of them took ideas from situations from the real world or represented situations of the real world.
Fiction is only interesting when it is grounded in reality, not only you are a retarded liberal but you also don't understand your own fucking majors studies.
>>318382306
It's a marketing strategy.
>>318381417
>There are more countries in the world than America you dumb twat.
What the fuck kind of commy pinko garbage are you blabbering on about, boy?
>>318382306
most indivisible post are lewds desu
>>318382397
Your thinly veiled ignorance does not disguise your lack of imagination.
Get a life.
