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Witcher 3:
>Good graphics
>Shit voice acting
>Only third-person
>Boring story

Fallout 4:
>Decent graphics
>Stellar voice acting
>Third person and first person
>Incredibly entertaining and surprisingly deep story

Hmm...
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>No mention of gameplay
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This 5:
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>>318321202

Witcher 3 boring gameplay

Fallout 4 fun gameplay

fin
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I've got the 5 senpai
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>>318321207
>can't get 5

lmao
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The worst bait I've ever seen. You'd be better off dead, OP. Honestly.
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>>318321339

>teehee everything I disagree with is trolley

Fuck off and present an argument
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>people complaining about the 1 Just Cause 3 thread popping up and accused of shilling
>then this thread pops up
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>>318320919
go to bed Todd
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>>318321483
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>>318320919
They're both good though for the Witcher you have to like playing as an old guy.
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>Incredibly entertaining and surprisingly deep story
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I was actually pretty interested in the story right up to Shaun ordering me to do his dirty work instead of bonding with his father/mother he hasn't seen in 60 years and should be more grateful that I went through all this just for him.
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>>318320919

More like

Witcher 3:
>Amazing graphics
>Great voice acting
>Amazing story for a video game
>Decent combat

Fallout 4:

>Shit graphics
>Decent voice acting
>Mediocre, generic story
>Decent combat

Hmm...
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wew lad
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>Bethesdrones unable to accept their golden turd was so painfully mediocre they have to resort to slander about the competition
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>>318321908

Witcher 3 protagonist

>horrible embarrassing voice acting
>little to no customization
>only male

Fallout 4 protagonist

>incredible voice acting
>full customization
>male or female

Hmm...
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you have to kill your son or nuke boston
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Even though I like Witcher having played all 3, Witcher 3 felt like a chore at times. I think it has to do with how little you interact with the world and NPC.
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>>318320919
Witcher 3:
>Great graphics
>Decent to great voice acting
>Great story (If you've played the series and read the books)
>Okay gameplay

Fallout 4:
>Okay/Decent graphics
>Okay/Decent voice acting
>Passable story line
>Okay gameplay

I like both but TW3 is honestly better all around.
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>>318321483
Your opinions were fake though, hence trolley
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>>318322110
>incredible voice acting

You're trying to bait.
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>Fallout 4
>Stellar voice acting
>Incredibly entertaining and surprisingly deep story

Stop. Stop right now.
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Witcher 3:
>Good graphics
>Decent voice acting
>Decent story
>Terrible combat

Fallout 4:
>Decent lighting
>Somewhat poor graphics
>Decent voice acting
>Silly story
>Decent combat

Witcher 3's a great RPG and a looker but the actual fighting is super mashy and boring, which turns most people away.

Fallout 4 has a few RPG elements, and the gameplay is decent, but if you're looking for a decent story you're not going to find it here.
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>>318321908
Decent combat to you is casual Dark Souls Arkham "spam this button" combat?
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>>318321908
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>>318320919
>adjustable camera angles matter more than gameplay or plot
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>>318323273
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I had more fun with Fallout 4.

Why do people say it's a shit game? It made massive improvements to the gameplay formula, and while there are some steps backward, you should have expected those. Come January you will have the power to fix the few issues with the game.

Also if you download other people's mods that aren't massively complex additions of scripting and the like (such as any XRocket Engine mod, Turn Based Combat, or high-quality weapon models) instead of making them yourself, you are the cancer killing the Fallout modding scene and should off yourself immediately.

Also both games are pretty good. I give Fallout 4 a 9/10 and The Witcher 3 a 8.5/10 only because the fantasy setting isn't really interesting... like at all. But with how solid the rest of the game is, it more than makes up for the generic uninspired "Totally not DnD gaiz" setting.
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>>318323591
>It made massive improvements to the gameplay formula

What?
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>>318323764

It made massive improvements to the gameplay formula.
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>>318324134
Like what?
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>>318324249

Combat is completely overhauled fa*m
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>>318323591
Fallout 4 is barely a game anymore. It's more like a in-engine meme at this point.
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>>318323764
Let me lay out a list of improvements and additions that add to the game and make it a much more solid experience:
>RTS now native, meaning no more relying on Arcoolka's shitty mod that was half-finished and poorly balanced that crashed every 5 seconds. Even more often if you used turrets.
>Gunplay is no longer 100% certifiably unsatisfying shit
>Power armor offers a tactical advantage that can turn the tide of a battle
>Random encounters on top of patrols, which result in cool shit like walking around Boston when suddenly a BoS patrol assaults a Super Mutant outpost and about half-way through some gunners join the fray, making the world seem alive
>Rad X is no longer useless and Radiation is actually a drawback and not something that just debuffs you slowly in ways that don't matter
>Enemy level scaling actually isn't shit (though some of it is, especially late-game bloodbugs. who the hell though skinny-ass mosquitos should be able to laugh off a fucking 12 gauge) for once
>Ability to call in artillery support, making the addition of settlements more than just a way to farm caps and materials to repair your armor
>Ability to call in and ride in a vertibird
>All the other support grenades
>No longer locked in dialogue, can stop talking by moving backwards slightly and kill the asshole by blasting him in his stupid face (a feature missing since Fallout 1)
>Healing isn't instantaneous

Among other improvements. Fallout 4 is a fantastic game. People are getting way too caught up, bitching that it's shit because it isn't arbitrarily following a genre's set formula (like the removal of skills) without even stopping to think on what and how it affects gameplay.
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>>318324649
>making reasonable posts on /v/
nobody actually cares that the game plays better, they excluded [arcane feature that adds nothing to the game] and meme like the cool kids on NMA!

Of course if you asked these kids to play a golden-era RPG, like pic related, they'd piss themselves and bitch that "it's barely a game anyways!"

Oh the hypocrisy.
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>>318324649
Holy shit, you wrecked those cunts. They can't deny any of that stuff isn't improvements.
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>Guy makes a good post that facilitates discussion
>People shitpost at him
>He smartly counters their shitposting with more discussion points
>People stop posting in the thread
Classic.
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>>318325828
/v/ isn't about video games

it's about who can shitpost the hardest
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>>318324649
Look I'm just going to tell you my experience. I feel as though the gunplay was really the only thing that improved. Stim's still heal way too fast, radiation still debuffs you but you've got enough radaway and rad-x to completely negate any of its effects. Power armor is ludicrously overpowered and has a terrible HUD and quite a few drawbacks like the inability to hack a computer. Then you've got the OP bullet sponge companions who act as tanks for you while you fire from the background.

I'm level 35 in the game and it's starting to become a real chore. I keep facing legendary mob after legendary mob and they're all serious bullet sponges despite having a few fully modded guns. I'm also sick of facing the same enemy types over and over, the ghouls in particular are seriously annoying. As for your comment about random encounters it's just a simple script that spawns a vertibird on your head every so often to shoot everyone around you until it inevitably explodes. Let's not even get into the melee combat.

I believe only the shooting improved and everything else got a lot worse. Hopefully I can find some weapons that can kill these pinatas faster.
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>>318320919
Holy shit, could you suck any more cocks, or is Bethesda hogging your whole face?
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>>318327169
Whoops, forgot I was posting from Austrailia.

9
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>>318320919
heres your reply
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>>318320919
>FO4
no hold on lets step back

>FO3/NV
>combat is pretty fucking shit
>its excusable because the game is an RPG and its trying to appeal to turn & stat based RPG fans

>FO4
>its no longer trying to appeal to traditional RPGs
>its now an adventure game with FO lore
>combat is still the abortion it was with a better paint of coat on it

no nigga no
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>>318326591
>Power armor is ludicrously overpowered
As it should be.

>Then you've got the OP bullet sponge companions who act as tanks for you while you fire from the background.

Every NPC ever seems hell bent on shooting at me instead of my companions, I don't know what you are talking about.

>I keep facing legendary mob after legendary mob and they're all serious bullet sponges despite having a few fully modded guns
Get better guns. Seriously. And I'm not even talking about power weapons.

If you are using any rifle that isn't a plasma rifle at level 35, you are a fucking idiot. That's plain and simple. The plasma rifle is so fucking overpowered and deals so much DPS that even level-matched legendary Alpha Deathclaws have a TTK of about 10 seconds.

>As for your comment about random encounters it's just a simple script that spawns a vertibird on your head every so often to shoot everyone around you until it inevitably explodes.

Wrong kind of encounter. Enemy patrols exist and spawn at random intervals as well, which is what I'm talking about. All manner of factions have this, BoS, Gunners, Raiders, Institute, Minutemen.

>Hopefully I can find some weapons that can kill these pinatas faster.
I seriously hope you aren't still using a combat rifle at level fucking 35.
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OP's image is a bullshot, right? That place looks nowhere near that polished at night ingame.
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Witcher 3 having shit voice acting.

You literally can't bait any harder.
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>>318322110
>horrible embarrassing voice acting
>not playing it with polish voices
I shiggy diggy
>little to no customization
>only male
No shit nigga, you're playing The Goddamn Witcher, that's what the game is about.
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>>318320919

More like

>Witcher 3:
>Among the best graphics you can find right now on pc
>Decent voice acting
>Only third-person
>Interesting story

>Fallout 4:
>2009 graphics
>Good voice acting, shit voice acting when it's not english
>Third person and first person
>Stopped playing on day 2 because it was pretty much boring, my roommate started playing it on my pc instead

Hmm...
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>>318328185

not him but are the polish voices actually an improvement? i really dislike geralt's va
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>>318328383
I love Geralts english voice actor. One of the best out there.
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>fallout 4
>great voice acting

Preston Garvey's voice acting is all the proof you need to know that Fallout 4 had GARBAGE voice acting.
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>>318321512
This is is not a selling point morron
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>>318328383
Dunno, I played the whole series with the polish voices so I don't really think the english voices fit the characters by now.
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>>318328238
>>Witcher 3:
>>Among the best graphics you can find right now on pc
kek downgrade
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>>318327790
TODD PLS
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>this fucking op
look at him
look at him and laugh
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>>318329023
>a single shitty voice means the whole game has shitty voice acting
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Witcher 3:
>Is an RPG

Fallout 4:
>Isn't an RPG
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>>318320919

hahahahahaha
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>>318329201
It does when the man in charge of directing the voice actors doesn't know how to get a good performance out of an actual actor
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>>318320919
Don't forget that Witcher 3 has a literal Top Kek meme in the fucking game. Fallout 4 doesn't. One of them is Meme Trash the other is GOTY.
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>>318329041
I am the opposite. Played all of the games with the english voice actor. I just looked up some polish scenes and the polish voice does not fit him at all.
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people like op actually exist and actually have opinions this wrong
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>>318329268
How is Witcher 3 an RPG when you're given a predetermined character who acts in a certain way?
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>>318328873
Same here.

The book describes Geralt's voice as "Unpleasant and metallic" and I think he actually nailed it. I don't get the hate he gets.
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>>318329573
Fallout 4 has spelling blocks positioned to spell "lol" in some rooms

You is a idiot
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Fallout 4 >>> Downgrader 3
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>>318321676
Younger than FO4 MC, gets more pussy too.
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>>318324649
>>Enemy level scaling actually isn't shit (though some of it is, especially late-game bloodbugs. who the hell though skinny-ass mosquitos should be able to laugh off a fucking 12 gauge) for once
>>All the other support grenades
>>Healing isn't instantaneous
That shit's in New Vegas and the rest of it save Power Armor and gunplay (which is tremendously hampered by the lack of weapons, ammo, and creative perks) are fluffly spectacle you won't use in most encounters. Vertiberds might as well be made out of paper, regardless.
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Witcher 3: good game

Fallout 4: bad game
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>>318329594
I think that was only an issue with the first game, the english voice acting in the first was pretty bad so I changed it to polish so I just went with it with the other two.
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>>318329650
Don't act like Fallout 4 doesn't have a predetermined character.
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>>318329650
You are "playing a role" even if that role is predetermined. how hard is this to understand?

You dont understand what an rpg is.
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>>318320919
>>Incredibly entertaining and surprisingly deep story
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>>318329721
That isn't even a meme. At all. Not even close. Literally a Top C U C K Meme in Witcher 3. LITERALLY.
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>>318329832
I really liked the voice acting in the first game.
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>>318329789
Witcher 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Memeout 4
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>>318329881
What?
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Witcher 3 = 2015 graphics
Stellar voice acting for the most part
Gameplay a little shallow
Story unbeatable by any game
Has feels

Fallout 4 = 2007 graphics
Hilariously bad voice acting
Gameplay a little shallow
Story is piss
No feels
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>>318330074
https://youtu.be/vmUJlTMYdEM

Literally a Top C U C K Meme
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>>318324490
It is not "overhauled" it is the same made a little less clunky, that is not an overhaul.
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>>318320919
>fallout 4
>Stellar voice acting
The PC's male VA being totally deadpan except the rare times when it's whiplashing between over-emotional quivering and yelling like an angry 14 year old on XBL is not stellar voice acting.
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>>318324537

You're a meme
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>>318330153
Witcher 3 gameplay is pretty deep as you explore it more.
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>>318320919
Both stories are boring you twit
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>>318320919
I think the story on both are good. But you can't compare their gameplay. FO4 has the best Single Player FPS mechanics I ever experienced, but I love slicing people in Witcher 3.

But what really settles me back on Witcher is that every common NPC and lesser enemy looks exactly the same, where in this Fallout everyone is unique (except regular BoS and gen 1 Synths)

also you can make a waifu in FO4
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>>318330153
>No feels
Only genuinely emotionally part of Fallout 4 is when you find the holotape of the Giddyup Buttercup inventor's daughter and give it to him.
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>>318329721
<You a idiot> what delicious irony
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>>318321908
>for a video game
Why are we using qualifiers, boys?
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>Fallout 4's player-base is much-much larger than Witcher 3. Fallout 4 topped at 470k players on Steam, Witcher 3 only 90k (LMAO, even Skyrim (2011) had more players on release day than this).

>Fallout 4's dev team is 10 times smaller than Witcher 3's dev team. Even tho Fallout 4 sold 10x more copies than Witcher 3

>On Steam, even a 5-year old game like Skyrim has 5x current players than Witcher 3.

>The mod kit for Fallout 4 isn't even out yet and still there are more mods for Fallout 4 than Witcher 3 on Nexusmods website.

>More people are shittposting Fallout 4, because the people who are loving the game are too busy playing it. The shitters that got bored from Witcher 3 are now infesting reddit and /v/.

kek. Literally no one is playing Shitter 3 and you are bothering with the comparison.
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>>318330370
>where in this Fallout everyone is unique (except regular BoS and gen 1 Synths)
What are you talking about? I've got four identical settlers at the Castle alone. They use the same rotation of faces for all the generic characters, and there are only two body types for non-glowing ghouls.
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>>318330416
Shieeeet, those were some unexpected feels
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>>318329850
It is hard to understand. You are playing a role when you're playing a generic space marine as well. Isn't role playing all about choosing your own role?

Class, alignment etc.
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>>318330621
>only two body types for non-glowing ghouls
That is false

>settlers are the same
I was talking about general design, since their initial clothes, faces, phrases and Skills are random. My examples were NPCs where you can't see the difference from affar.
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>>318330541
because not a single person on earth bought the GoG version so CD could get all of the money.
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>>318321483
What does shopping have to do with this
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Fallout 4 has pretty great graphics. Yes, they aren't "OMFG THE GRASS IS LEGIT REAL LIFE OMG GOTY" graphics but they are great and the don't bug me at all. If it bugs you, then you're probably a b*tchy b*tch. Fallout has some really great voice acting, sometimes it can be cheesy but overall it's good. The gameplay has been overhauled, if you can't see it then holy shit, go get your eyes checked. The gunplay is incredibly better, it's fun. The customization and perks are really dope, I don't think anybody was complaining about this though. Honestly, I have never played the Witcher and I probably won't because it just doesn't interest me. The combat seems boring and strange. But I've heard really great stuff about it.
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>>318329827
>Synth relay, artillery support and vertibird beacons are in New Vegas
lmao
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I'm someone who has preordered and completed every assassin's creed game just because I enjoy the story, and even I think the FO4 story is stupid and shit.

Also boring. I literally could not care less about what happens next. I just want to get all my settlements up to 20 people each just to say I've done it.
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Witcher 3:
>Downgraded graphics
>Shit voice acting
>Only third-person
>Boring story

Fallout 4:
>Bad graphics
>Stellar voice acting
>Third person and first person
>Boring story

ftfy
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>>318330541
>Fallout 4's dev team is 10 times smaller than Witcher 3's dev team

Now this is some fucking bait
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>>318331637
>what is the NCR Emergency Radio
>what is Archimedes II
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>>318320919
not baiting me faggot 0/10
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>>318320919
Go to bed, Todd. You are not fooling anyone.
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>>318320919
>obvious bait
>over a hundred replies
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>>318332319
This is the thing I hate. You people dont know the truth. Bethesda is actually a very small dev team, most people don't know that. Bethesda has around 150 developers.
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>>318323591
>Why do people say it's a shit game?
It's called opinions. If I was to say you had shit taste because
>the fantasy setting isn't really interesting... like at all.
That would be an opinion of an opinion.
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>Decent graphics
for 5 years ago maybe

>Stellar voice acting
le bethesda ruseman face

>Third person and first person
and both feel like shit

>Incredibly entertaining and surprisingly deep story
you could have just stopped before this, but no you had to expose the bait
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>>318321254
hipsters dont want to talk about how awful witcher 3 played
they just want to talk about cutscenes
because witcher devs just remade mass effect 3 and entire game was a cutscene simulator with gameplay being an afterthought
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>>318332841
Same with CDPR
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>>318330184
>pleb cant understand basic premise of improvement to gameplay
>pleb shitposts on 4chan all day long

at this point fallout has become so big the hipsters are flocking to it to shitpost, and its going to be a trend for a long time, as they've been shitposting for 3+ months on 4chan and no mods have banned them

so stay tuned for 7-8 more months of the same retarded hipsters chiming in pretending new vegas was a good game
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Why is /v/ full of degenerate retards who fall for shit bait like this?
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>>318331631
not him and im a huge fan of the bethesda, but the voice acting quality of main character male side is dog shit, no range, very awkward forced unnatural sounding, not very good at all

like so many good voice actors with range, they pick a literal unknown and he's got the most boring monotone voice and sounds so samey in everything he says
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why nobody is bitching about the end of fallout 4? no matter who you side with, it's the fucking same cutscene afterwards. it's fucking mass effect 3 all over again

also the whole thing about the game is finding your son, and when you do, it's just meh, you just become and errand boy like any other npc quest giver.

fallout 4 was a letdown. 7 years after fo3, handful of improvements and major setbacks.

never played witcher
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ACTUALLY

Witcher 3:
Great main story.
Boring, repetitive side quests (dive for that treasure x20, bomb drowner hole x12, kill swamp monster and open treasure chestx16 repeat ad nauseam)

Fallout 4. Boring, uninspired main story.
Great side quests (Help Travis gain confidence, save sick kid by exploring secret vault, [Speak like the Silver Shroud], preform the heist of the century with a ghoul gangster)
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>>318332138
fallout 4 could be vastly improved with mods
while you wont see a single worthwhile mod for witcher 3
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>>318333826
witcher 3 main story was dog shit and terrible
the side quest cutscenes is the only thing it got praised for, which were all stolen personas from game of thrones
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>>318320919
>shit-tier b8
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Just got Witcher 3 since it was on sale. Is it me or is combat in this game mind numbingly easy?

I'm literally just mashing weak attack because if you land it once you stunlock absolutely everything to death.

Please tell me it gets better than this.
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>Witcher 3
>Good graphics

Wasn't there a huge debacle about Witcher getting a downgrade? Doesn't it look worse than Witcher 2?
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>>318320919

is this a new moonwalker game?
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>>318333972
>Baiting this hard
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>>318334273
>Playing on normal
Kill yourself
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>>318334928

Normal on Witcher 2 was ball breakingly hard (until the casuals complained and they made it easier).

Normal in Witcher 3 is easier than easy was in Witcher 2. Even the hardest difficulty in Witcher 3 isn't as hard as normal in Witcher 2 was.

Games just easy son.
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>>318323224
I'm sorry, but to call the gameplay in TW3 worse than in FO4 is fucking retarded. If anything it's got more depth than FO4.
>BUT MUH MASHING
Maybe if you played past the first few hours you'd start facing more than just common bandits and ghouls.
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>>318334273
It lets you get away with some cheesy shit, but if you cheese your way through the game, then you're equally as responsible for your own lack of enjoyment for using the cheese as the game is for having the cheese.
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>>318335265

So what am I suppose to do? Purposely get hit?

The game has Arkham Asylum combat, but easier and more forgiving.
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>>318335463
You have deal with monotonous combat the whole game. All weapons have the same moveset, the combat remains exactly the same from early to late game. You just get access to some spell upgrades.
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>>318320919
>Incredibly entertaining and surprisingly deep story
>Stellar voice acting
>Fallout 4
????
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>>318320919
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>>318334423
>you're a troll if you don't drone a game like i do!
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>>318335114
>Even the hardest difficulty in Witcher 3 isn't as hard as normal in Witcher 2 was.

The fuck? No it wasn't. Death march was sometimes more difficult than Dark mode, especially if you didn't abuse alchemy.
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>>318320919
>Fallout 4
>Incredibly entertaining and surprisingly deep story
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
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Here's the definitive list, my qualifications are the following: I've played both of these games for over 150 hours each and didn't spend a dime on them. I am judging Fallout 4 and TW3 base game, no expansions or DLC included.

Graphics:
Witcher 3:10
Fallout 4: 5

Narrative (Main Quest):
Witcher 3: 8
Fallout 4: 4

Characters:
Witcher 3: 10
Fallout 4: 8

Sound/Ambiance/Music:
Witcher 3: 10
Fallout 4: 10

Side quests:
Witcher 3: 10
Fallout 4: 7

Open world:
Witcher 3: 8
Fallout 4: 9

Combat:
Witcher 3: 7
Fallout 4: 9

Voice Acting:
Witcher 3: 9
Fallout 4: 8

"Gameplay" aka how mechanically friendly the game is to play and control
Witcher 3: 8
Fallout 4: 8

Loot:
Witcher 3: 5
Fallout 4: 9

Big Guys:
Witcher 3: 10 (Letho is an imposing figure)
Fallout 4: 7 (everyone is the same build except tubsters from Vault 81)

Meme Potential:
Witcher 3:10 (le kek meme)
Fallout 4: 0 (no solid memes yet)

Swordplay:
Witcher 3: 10
Fallout 4: 3 (same as Skyrim)

Gunplay:
Witcher 3: 2 (crossbows are hella gay)
Fallout 4: 10 (I will admit this is the only aspect I really enjoyed over previous 3d fallout games, that and the improved color palette.)
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>>318337158
>Characters:
>Witcher 3: 10

>Sound/Ambiance/Music:
>Witcher 3: 10
>Fallout 4: 10

>Side quests:
>Witcher 3: 10

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>>318320919
I know this is bait but
>Decent graphics
Mediocre at best
>Stellar voice acting
The garbage facial animations take away from it
>Third person and first person
Third person fallout has got to be the clunkiest shit I've ever touched
FIRST person is clunky enough as it is
>Incredibly entertaining and surprisingly deep story
KILL YOUR SON OR NUKE THE COMMONWEALTH

>>318322110
>incredible voice acting
A fallout protagonist should not have voice acting
>full customization
fair
>male or female
fair but holy shit there shouldn't be voice acting

>>318324490
No it did not, it made V.A.T.S. slow mo and turned it into an open-world shittier-looking cowadoody with minor rpg elements

>>318330541
>a big playerbase makes for a better game
see: minecraft
see: five nights at freddy's
see: league of legends
see: csgo

alright end of post I'm all out of autism
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>>318321908
>Witcher 3
>Amazing graphics
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>>318334386
Yes.
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>>318332841
>150 devs
>small
Fucking Lisa and Undertale were better 'complete' games than fucking F4.
How many people made Fallout 1 and 2?
Fuck you.
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>>318320919
>shit voice acting
bait
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>>318334386
it looked worse, then it looked better after a couple of patches afaik
faces among other things were better from the start though
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