Why is it okay when Obsidian does it but wrong when BioWare does it?
>>318270675
Because you're a dumb faggot.
>arcade only mentions he's gay when you pry into his personal life
>Bioware gays never shut the fuck up about how much of a slut they are or how they have a dead husband
gee I wonder
>>318270901
Wait, he's gay?
How come I never knew this.
>this thread again
>>318271167
Because Obsidian know how to write characters.
>>318271167
Because he's well written to be like a real (non-faggot) gay person.
>>318270675
Because Obsidian made a decent character with an interesting backstory and not-cringey comedic timing who happened to be gay.
BioWare makes hundreds of LGBTQLMNOP characters that are just as gripping as watching paint dry and expect you to just immediately fall in love with these characters because the primary aspect of them is "They like the same gender."
Do you not see what the point of contention is?
Obsidian gets a pass because the character was good.
BioWare doesn't get a pass because their characters have the remaining personality of that one toe I had to get amputated in order to walk properly last year.
But nope, must not like LOLSORANDUMB scatterbrained "witty revolutionist" elf because I hate the queers.
>>318271167
it's calledgood writing
>>318270675
HOL UP HOL UP
SO YOU SAYIN
RITE
HOL UP
DIS NIGGA
WHAT YOU TRYIN TO SAY IS
DIS NIGGA GAY?
i didnt know untill /v/ told me desu and you know what, i respect his sexuality.
>>318270675
because everithing obsidian produces is terrible. they have good intentions but produce half-baked games. people feel sorry for these ethernal losers and try not to notice objective flaws and scandal-themes
now the bioware are pros in making interactive melodramas, no matter what haters think. So people tend to criticise them, because the expectations are always sky high.
Because Obsidian has good writers. Or at least had before PoE.
>>318271167
because good gay will shut up and never use his own orentation to gather attention
>>318271464
Too bad vidya isn't supposed to be a fucking soapbox
Because nobody on /v/ has actually played any Bioware games so they mischaracterize them as tumblr-pandering LGBTBBQ+ characters.
Most of their fag characters are just as well written and subtle as Arcade. It's okay to like more than one developer, retards.
>>318270675
Because Arcade was actually a well written character, rather than SJW propaganda shoved into the game to satisfy degenerates.
>>318271568
to bad people don't buy obsidian games, but only talk good things about them in webz.
>>318271685
Every Bioware character is bisexual, and they make it obvious by constantly trying to have sex with the player character.
What about Veronica, Cassidy or Christine? Write a lesbian, nobody scrutinizes it, write a gay man and there's a parade celebrating diversity.
>make male character for FNV
>find Veronica
>wow what a qt, I think I'll make her my waifu
>she's gay
>later make a female PC
>meet Arcade
>damn he's pretty qt, he can be my husbando
>he's gay too
Fucking why?
>>318271794
only Dragon age 2
>>318271464
>now the bioware are pros in making interactive melodramas
By melodrama standards, hell even afternoon only-bitter-wife-at-home-watches-this-shit tv dramas, Bioware products are bad. At least the former are only repetitive and bland, not offensive and offensively stupid.
>>318271685
Oh fucking please. The shuttle pilot in ME3 is cringeworthy.
>hey shepard I had a husband
>my husband is dead shepard and I'm sad about it
>did I mention my dead husband today shepard? I miss bouncing up and down on his cock
>>318271464
>because everithing obsidian produces is terrible. they have good intentions but produce half-baked games
Are you shitting me? Their entire legacy is built upon doing IP's far better than their original creators ever could.
>now the bioware are pros in making interactive melodramas, no matter what haters think
Oh yeah, BoyWire makes good fiction. Remind me again about how ME3 ended? Something about a god from the machine- a literary technique universally regarded as trash.
>>318271685
You're an idiot if you genuinely think anything in Dragon Age: Inquisition was subtle.
>>318271812
Veronica a shit
Because he was a well developed character and you had to inquire a lot to discover he is gay.
Instead Bioware characters introduce themselves by stating how much they love to suck dick.
>>318271812
>Make a character for FNV
>Find Cass
>Give her whiskey and flirt with her
>She ends up sucking Rex's dick
Everything went better than expected.
>>318271685
totally, I completely agree. I almost couldn't notice when my shuttle pilot in mass effect 3 told me he had a husband in the very first conversation we had. and I really had to pay attention to find those articles that put all the focus on dorian's homosexuality and not what kind of character he actually was.
>>318271167
Because he doesn't try to suck you off after 2 conversation choices.
Captcha related
>>318271685
>Subtle
>>318270675
obsidian does it right
>>318271795
>You will never hold Christine in your arms and comfort her trauma
The hardest part is letting go.
>inb4 some retard tells someone who dislikes shitty writing to go back to >>>/pol/ >>>/stormfront/ or any other >>>/boogeymanwhodoesn'tlikewhatilike/
>when straight characters flaunt their sexuality, it's iconic i.e duke nukem
>but when gay characters do it, it's pandering
>>318271167
Because Arcade isn't an attention whore. He only mention he wants to suck your dick if you hit on him.
>>318271685
>Bioware
>well written character
The what now? There was Mordin. And ME1 Wrex. And....that DA dwarf. And...That's it.
tfw Bioware has made both Kotor and Dragon Age Inquisition
I find that so hard to believe
>>318271167
Don't feel bad anon. This is my first time hearing about this as well.
I didn't even know he wasex-Enclaveon my first play through.
>>318272116
Uh.... Zaeed? Garrus?
Fuck... Alistair?
That's all I got. BioWare's forgotten how to write characters you want to associate with.
>>318271885
>HEEEY Shepard
>HEY HEY SHEPARD I'm sad about MUH dead husband again. May I please trust myself by sucking your cock.
>>318272179
>he missed out on the best questline in the game
>he didn't freak out elder mcnamara by already knowing how to use power armour
GOMFL
>>318272148
>Trying to romance any of the companions
>Not just emptying your balls inside Sarah Weintraub every day
Fugging plebs. In my headcannon, the Courier retires and makes a family with her inside New Vegas after hetakes over.
>>318272148
>Make a sniper
>Find what I think is Dale Gribble
>wow what a useful companion perk I'll make him my permanent partner
>we kill many Legionnaires and leave Ceaser as a headless corpse
>no homo
>>318272285
Yeah I fucked up. And didn't know how badly until I read some stuff online later before my next play through.
The sad thing was that I had actually found the bunker, but couldn't figure out what triggered or opened it.
That being said I didn't run around with Arcade that much. I was too busy fucking up the Legion with Boone.
>>318270675
Because no one reads dialogues in Obsidian games, they are rather boring and meaningless, just like entire plotlines.
Good thing you can ram across all of their action rpg games without even reading quests.
>>318272148
More like NTR trooper!
>>318271787
Todd pls
>>318272330
Why is she willing to be your cumdumpster for a few vault suits
>>318270675
Because Arcade is actually gay.
Unlike Bioware where everyone is a depraved bisexual and refusing to have sex with them will cost you a thousand relationship points if you were at one point even remotely a decent human being toward them.
>>318272580
Because you have Lady Killer perk and you can convince most women to be your cumdumpsters.
>>318272148
>Make female character for FNV
>find Mr. House
>wow what a qt, I think I'll make him my husbando
>he is literally a barely alive fucking corpse
Every time I play New Vegas as a grill character I always sleep with Benny. When he gets caught by the legion, I always kill the entire camp so he can run free into the mojave. He is forever my husbando
I want you to take note of something in this thread.
Not one post given by these people who think anyone who dislikes BioWare for having gay characters actually refutes the points being made.
This is a popular trend in EVERY thread on this subject. People who actually make points about BioWare's characters being fucking awful, and how the company is only touted as being good writers because of past success that they simply cannot live up to anymore, is brushed aside.
Brushed aside for what? For nothing, the opportunity to argue something that doesn't exist. They say the people who dislike the writing in BioWare games never played them and only criticize it because they hate gay people. The people who bought and paid for DA2, who then found the quality of writing to be incompetent don't exist. The people who thought the homosexual characters in recent BioWare games were horrible, cringey characters don't exist. That's some hardcore Lovecraft-style mental gymnastics. Give these people enough time, they'll make Michael Kirkbride look like a fucking amateur in terms of mindfuckery in words.
This is why people don't like BioWare's characters in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnZ7cXfwYZI
>>318272462
>I was too busy fucking up the Legion with Boone.
Good man.
>>318273090
>Fucking and trusting a guy who kills you for selfish reasons and double crosses you twice, both times entailing your would be death
At least you're roleplaying women right.
>>318272820
>>he is literally a barely alive fucking corpse
>he let that stop him
>ghouls_laughing.jpg
>>318273154
>>318272693
I like Solas' romance, of the shit ones in Inquisition it is the least shitty but as I understand it nobody plays Elven Females.
>>318270675
Can someone just create an infographic already we've answered this same damn question in the same damn bait thread a million times.
>>318271464
Bioware™ Quality™
>>318273219
Hey come on, it was nothing personal
>>318273381
Those may be the worst light-sabers I've ever seen rendered in a video game... and I've played fucking Republic Heroes.
>>318273381
This is actual cutscene? Looks like bad machinina,
>>318273591
Bioware animates their cutscenes using The Movies.
>>318273154
It never ceases to bother me how incredibly ugly Sera is. Even by WRPG standards, where most girls are man-faced, Sera is just horrid.
BioWare hasn't been good since Jade Empire and it's got nothing to do with gays.
>>318272097
There's no such thing as pandering to straight people, right, my fellow /v/edittors?
>>318270675
Why is it okay to repost the same thread over and over?
>>318272148
Lack of waifus is really NV's primary weakness.
>>318273921
There is, it's just called evil sexism and misogyny.
>>318274194
>Lack of waifus
>weakness
I want this animu weebshit to end already.
>>318274279
We're only growing stronger, senpai.
>>318273921
Every single tacked on generic piece of shit love story subplot in every movie and tv show ever. It's fucking disgusting.
>>318274279
>character doesn't mention their sexuality
>good writing
>character mentions their sexuality
>bad writing
Never change, /v/
>>318274194
Well its got Fisto
>>318272097
People don't write articles calling the developers amazing revolutionaries changing the medium for Duke Nukem.
>>318274194
There's plenty of waifus, you just need to search for them.
>>318274194
>his waifu isn't Veronica
It's only sensual if it's non-consensual.
>>318274461
Fuck, I don't think there's anyone who even likes Duke Nukem. He's more of a parody of the stereotypical tough guy archetype than a real character.
>>318274279
If a female character isn't appealing to /v/'s desire to fill their crippling loneliness then it's bad
this is why I have a hard time taking opinions on this place seriously
>>318274548
And by search you mean mod them in.
>>318274567
Biodrones and SJW's think Duke Nukem is played straight, parody is a lost concept to them.
For Christ's sake, these are the same people who say GTA has never done satire because once they made a joke someone else made.
>>318274567
>more of
No, he is exactly that. A whole genre of movies exists solely for that.
Duke still has more character than 99% of Bioware voice acting placeholders.
>>318274374
arcade ganon references his sexuality but in a very natural way
it doesn't feel a huge deal because it was written by a fanfiction author who the character's sexuality to meant a lot to but a considered and understated reveal written by someone who really got into a characters head
>>318270675
Because Obsidian actually knows how to write good characters.
>>318274774
Pretty much. You can ask him to tell you more about himself and he doesn't go "well I'm a gay boy living in the wastes just trying to live the gay life". You usually have to outright flirt with him to learn it.
I generally dislike romances in video games but I'm curious as to how one with Gannon would play out.
>>318274774
Here's the thing. In BioWare games, you learn a characters sexuality the very moment they open their dumb looking mouth.
MEANWHILE, IN THE REAL WORLD
People don't mention their sexuality until it naturally comes up in conversation.
I didn't even know he was gay till I saw it in a post here a cause I don't care about my companions sexuality and b because its not his entire character like with the gay characters in bioware games
>>318274949
>>318274989
>play inquisition (I regret purchasing)
>actually like Dorian a lot, he's flamboyant as hell but that's a valid character trait
>do his sidequest, expecting some mage intrigues and stuff
>it's literally just about his gay daddy issues
Bioware really can't write for shit
>>318274685
>Red Lucy
>Sarah
>Beatrix
Naw nigger they're already there.
Am I the only one who liked Arcade's bad end with Caesar? He's one of my favorite Fallout characters but that ending was pretty badass.I also really liked Caesar.
>>318275305
I like to imagine him being Caesar's new fuckslave to replace Vulpes
Talking about Arcade, I'm having a glitch where he sometimes pulls out a scoped hunting rifle instead of his plasma defender. Anyone know the fix to this?
>>318275305
What is his bad end with ceaser?
>>318274651
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGnPSXNMtaE
>>318275305
I liked ruining Caesars whole fucking operation in the Mojave, then strutting straight up to him in The Fort.
>You're the courier who's caused so much trouble for my Legion, and yet you dare come before me.
>Vulpes Inculta, the best of my frumentarii, is dead.
>All the bribes I sent to the Omertas ended up buying me nothing.
>The Great Khans aren't exactly clamoring to fight for my Legion now.
>The garrison I established at Nelson has been wiped out.
>Years of meticulous scheming to place a mole at Camp McCarran - wasted.
>The Kings of Freeside are cooperating with the NCR now, which frees up soldiers to defend the dam.
>You even disrupted a promising weapons deal with the Van Graffs.
>So tell me this, because I really want to know: I am feared - with good reason - but you of all people dare to come before me, the mighty Caesar.
>What were you thinking?
...
DEATH TO TYRANTS
>>318270675
this guy is fanatstic. joined the foloowers on my current playthrough and using him is a ton of fun. his dialogue is hilarious
>>318270675
Why do people always deflect and make bad analogies?
>>318275598
You basically sell him into slavery as Caesar's personal doctor, and he ends up killing himself.
>>318272110
really? confirmed bachelor only gave me one option in his dialogue. and he denied
>>318275576After you sell him to Caesar, he becomes his personal physician for several years and Caesar grows really fond of having a companion matching his intelligence (and also speaks Latin.) They verbally debate on a lot of subjects. Arcade eventually disembowels himself with a surgical knife and dies, Caesar mourns his loss for a long time.
>>318275661
>find a way to cure Caesars tumor
>Saturnite Heated Power fist looks like good cure
>criticalstrikeonCaesaer.jpeg
>>318275661
>>So tell me this, because I really want to know: I am feared - with good reason - but you of all people dare to come before me, the mighty Caesar.
>>What were you thinking?
>mfw "because you promised safe passage"
In all honesty, I'm surprised /v/ even still likes obsidian, especially as new vegas fans have started popping up in swarms among the more popular shitholes like reddit and neogaf.
Obsidian fanboys in general are quite cancerous though.
Somewhat like CDPR drones, although cdpr's games have started to sour on /v/ as their popularity and success increases.
In addition, most people who religiously pleasure themselves to pictures of obsidians development teams are the same people who played their predecessor team's games when they were 10 or 12 years old.
>>318275843
Oh I would never see this because most of my characters are staunchly anti slavery and everyone tends to kill slavers as soon as they discover they are such
Mainly cause I hate the idea of being forced to do anything at all
>>318275967
shut up, todd. it's neither obsdiains nor cdprs fault your team can't write for shit
>>318275967
Just stop. Not everything is about fanbases. Stop trying to rile people up all the time and just go jerk off or something.
everytime i go into sneak mode i die laughing. this guy is fantastic
>>318275967
bethdrones are somehow better? ayyyy lmao literally undermeme fnaf tier.
Arcade was gay?
>have to pry like fuck to get a very small piece of dialogue that barely changes anything
>BioWare games have gay characters to flamboyant and in your face you get ANDERS DISAPPROVES if you don't flirt with him
Dead Money > Honest Hearts > Old World Blues > Lonesome Road
>Dead Money is a whoe new experience, deadly regardless of your level and has interesting characters
>Honest Hearts has Joshua Graham
>OWB isn't bad but has a Planescape Torment tier amount of dialogue at the start
>LR is literally "listen to a crazy homeless guy ramble: the dlc"
>>318276374
Are you suggesting that studio wide bethesda drones even exist on /v/?
No.
Sure there are the few twitter and casual game endorsers out their who probably lavish on about bethesda as an entity, but this is really not that applicable to places like /v/.
Places where arguments between different instalments, especially in elder scrolls, is hugely prevalent.
>>318276643
Joshua was the only good thing about HH, though. Everything else was completely awful.
>>318275967
Shut the fuck up, Todd.
>>318271887
They had the reputation of being "The studio franchises go to die."
Until Bethesda's Fallout 4 no series Obsidian worked on had a sequel.
Hint , It wasn't because Obsidian had reached the pinnacle of what was possible for that franchise.
>>318272116
>>318272204
I quite liked Legion as well.
>>318271685
You're just showing how new you are to /v/ newfriend.
>>318272110
>Raul giving zero fucks
>>318277032
KOTOR 3: Bioware didn't renew their SW licence.
Fallout: This year.
>>318277293
>>318277293
>read as the legion
>prepared to tear you a new asshole
>reread
Oh yeah actually he was kinda fun.
Still Bioware doesn't hold a candle to Obsidian when it comes to writing.
>>318277293
He was cool in 2 before he turned into Pinocchio in 3.
>>318277293
It was okay, except for some really fucking stupid explanation for its fixation on Shep. By way of Bioware forcing the writer into making it a Shep fanboy. If you saw what the writer had planned originally, you'd weep.
>>318271167
Because it isn't important to his character.
>>318277451
>If you saw what the writer had planned originally, you'd weep
Do tell.
>>318276789
Exploring the caves and finding Clark's journals was good fun too.
>>318272471
>>318272097
Duke's not supposed to be a positive character. You're supposed to laugh at him, not with him. His overtly macho sexuality is a point of mocking.
You'd get hanged if you did that with a gay person.
>>318274651
This may shock and disturb you, but there are still quite a few people who buy games mainly for their entertainment value and judge characters in them based on how entertaining they are. Crazy, I know.
>>318274194
>Lack of waifus
You aren't looking hard enough. Just because they don't want to fuck you after saying hi and make them main characters, doesn't mean they don't exist.
>>318274567
>He didn't like the DOUK
Wow.
So this is what /v/ has become.
Duke honestly was my fucking role-model growing up since his games along with Megaman were some of the first I really sat down to play through.
>Saying "Shake it baby" to girls as a young shota.
>Bringing 3DPD lolis under my bed to 'dance' for me.
Thanks Duke.
>>318277514
Sadly, the forum posts of the author have been deleted (the whole site is dead, I think). Chris L'Etoile had really, really interesting concepts for Legion's and EDI's development.
Bioware said nope, we want Legion to hump Shep and EDI to fuck Joker. Disgusting.
>>318277719
/v/ in general doesn't. too many people here prioritize one thing over anything else: "can I fap to it?"
>>318275661
Have my keks, anon, I did that too
>>318277782
Do you remember what those concepts were?
>>318275661
>Never actually finished FNV.
>Would always get up to doing all the faction quests before fizzled out and then restart.
FUCK
I MUST FINISH THIS.
>>318277748
>talking to that semen demon for the first time with high speech
The qtiest NPC is the great khan blonde tho
>>318277858
That's entertainment.
>>318270675
Because you're asking that question in the fanboy/retard cesspool.
>>318271685
>>318271464
>>318270675
>There are still Biodrones left on /v/
Biowarefans are the cancer that is killing gaming.
>>318277756
>holodouk
Oh god I forgot about these
>>318277890
Oh, hey, the internet way back machine actually works:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130120045453/http://www.holdtheline.com/threads/me2-writer-chris-letoile-on-the-ai-characters-and-the-reapers.4229/
>>318275967
>giving a fuck about other places
>>318277782
>Shy Legion around a more 'human' EDI thanks to interaction with Joker.
FUCK
I'm just glad I never touched ME3.I heard Legion dies? ALONG WITH FUCKING TALI FUCK AND FUCK THAT PHOTOSHOP FAEC
>>318276643
>LR is literally "listen to a crazy homeless guy ramble: the dlc"
Isn't that basically dead money as well?
>>318278069
>5,684 posts
Fucking forumtards I swear.
>>318275661
>" I was thinking about decorating your tent with your insides"
>>318278170
>I heard Legion dies?
Yes. Think about that. An entity of data actually, genuinely removes itself from existence, instead of copying itself, to solve the non-existent problem. A purely logically thinking machine did this.
If I remember correctly (haven't played ME3) there was even a "does this unit have a soul" line. It's...baffling.
>>318278232
I've made far more posts on 4chan than that I bet. You probably have too.
>>318278173
Elijah was a bit crazy but I could understand him. Both the dialogue and voice actor for Ulysses were just... frustrating. Exhausting dialogue with Ulysses was suffering. As opposed to Joshua Graham where you're disappointed when there's nothing left to ask.
>>318278173
He's not homeless by the end of it if you play right :^)
>>318278409
not who you're replying to but NOT COOL do not make me think about that.
goddam over all these years... who knows. I can't even estimate.
Because Arcade isn't a fucking cartoon, he is just a dude who likes cock. He won't even tell you unless you care enough to ask about his personal life and shit. Bioware characters greet with "Nice to meet you. I'm gay. Wanna hook up?"
Honestly, I'm a little bit surprised the LGBT community isn't offended by that shit that Bioware, and as of late, the rest of the industry, has been pulling. They treat gay folk like a political tool or an outright caricature of a gay person.
Not only do they not get mad about it, they brace it and praise it. Fucking baffling to me.
>>318278364
Wasn't the "Does this unit have a soul" thing established way before ME3 though? I remember hearing about thats what started shit between them and the quarians before ME3 released.
OK nerds. I haven't bought a Fallout game since Fallout 2. I've played them all as they release through scallywag methods. Is any of the DLC worth making a new character for? I've been thinking of making a speech character in NV but after playing 4 I feel like speech was a gimmick and didn't really do anything.
I've heard good things about the NV dlc, and I have it all downloaded, just never played it.
Alright, so speaking as a gay person my main gripe with the way Bioware does same-sex relationships is that they just kind of shove it in there and it seems really thoughtless and contrived. Like for instance, how there are no actual homosexual characters in Bioware games, just bisexual ones. Did you notice that? Or consider how there's absolutely no social context to the fact that there's such a thing as "gay people." In a medieval setting, that kind of deviant behavior would at least be something worthy of comment. But, absolutely everyone in the Bioware world lives in this hypothetical utopia where dudes banging dudes is uncontroversial and unremarkable.
I'd be okay with it in Mass Effect but, still, with the huge cultural diversity you'd think there would at least be differing viewpoints on the topic. But no, in a misguided attempt to be socially progressive, Bioware has sucked all the credibility out of their depiction of same-sex relationships.
Bethesda sort of does this too, not quite as bad mind you. But at least they actually have gay characters. And for Arcade, he at least responds with a bit of surprise when the male protagonist makes a move on him, and I'm not sure but the dialogue just feels a little more realistic.
Not to mention, if you watch the scenes of two men having sex in Dragon Age, it's pretty obvious that whoever made them has never even seen two men having sex before. You're pretty much watching two guys take turns having vaginal intercourse with one another.
Shame video game developers can't really do same-sex relationships well. I mean, there are a few small exceptions to this. I thought Undertale's was alright, even if it had no social context (again). Walking Dead also did a pretty believable same-sex romance. Bethesda comes a little closer with Arcade than Bioware has ever come.
>>318276643
Dead Money > Lonesome Road > Honest Hearts > Old World Memes
Dead Money is by far the best in every way. My only complaint is how mazelike the map is. I don't like being lost in a game.
Lonesome Road is incredibly linear and basically just a string of fights with a few conversations, but has the best atmosphere of ALL Fallout content ever. Holy shit that felt spooky and gloomy. And Ulysses is so fucking cool, I wish he was in the main game instead of confined to this one DLC.
Honest Hearts is boring and tiny. It has exactly one good NPC, and you interact with him exactly three times.
Old World Blues is the biggest and with most content. Too bad all the content is memes and jokes and shit. Only DLC I always skip.
>>318278158
>It all comes down to racism again
Wow, what a surprise.
>>318272204
>Alistair
>Well written
Nope.
>>318278000
No, that's terror.
>>318278689
I'm gay and it's slightly offensive the way they portray the gay characters. They try to do good but they fail so fucking bad.
I want (but don't need) inclusion/representation, but there's a fine line between that and pandering.
>>318278781
Video game developers can't do any sort of relationship (except abusive ones) well. Or at least extremely rarely. They can't even do characters in general right most of the time. In most games it doesn't even matter, but if you're trying to tell a story, do it fucking right.
>>318271261
>>318271317
>>318271390
>>318271549
>>318272009
>>318272110
>falling for shit bait to suck Obsidian off
Because the Japanese are the only ones who can be trusted to faithfully depict same-sex relationships.
Pic related. Believable, heartfelt same-sex romance in a game from 1996.
>>318278689
C'mon man, you should be able to see this. They're not interested in well written characters, they're not interested in anything other than the free press they get from being victims. Otherwise there would be articles about Arcade. I thought that guys was a good character.
>>318278758
Speech is really good in NV. And another neat thing is that several speech checks aren't related to the speech skill, often they are [guns], [Intelligence] or even related to a specific perk like Sneering Imperialist. There's a bunch of shit like that which makes conversations feel good and really helps build up the character you've made.
>>318279049
You could be right. I honestly wouldn't know because I've never had a hetero relationship.
>>318277316
>>318272110
I fucking love Raul
>>318279005
It's all about pandering and inclusion. Hence why there are no gay people in DA2, only bisexuals. Not even characters really, just a fanfic simulator of who you'd wanna get with who.
I dunno about inquisition, didn't play it.
>>318278689
I'm actually not surprised. This is the same community that won't dare turn on "Caitlyn" Jenner despite him voting republican and saying he doesn't support gay marriage. They'll turn on insignificant minions, and they'll turn on academics who don't support their solipsistic ideals, but they won't turn on a figurehead. They continuously dig themselves deep into a hole and then sit their with a shit covered grin and act like it's all okay, that it's a good thing.
>>318279316
Inquisition is worse because it retcons qunari lore to make them more inclusive.
>>318279316
I think only two of the romances in Inq were bi, the rest were straight/homosexual, but really stereotypical and bad.
As a gay man you're stuck with either the huge ugly bull troll or the super flamboyant wizard with severe daddy issues.
>>318278781
>Bethesda
Obsidian. Bethesda's gays are the bisexual Bioware version, as seen in the new Fallout 4 where you can fuck them all regardless of gender.
>>318278782
>mazelike
>mfw flashbacks of trying to escape the sierra madre vault as the collar beeped signalling my imminent death (for the tenth time)
>mfw no face because too traumatic
>>318278069
What game are they talking about here?
>>318278069
Degeneracy
>>318270675
Because he was a character who happened to be gay, not a gay who happened to be a character.
Only the absolute worst kind of people define themselves with one thing and that's the biggest problem with gay characters in any media. They're whole character is just IM GAY DID YOU KNOW IM GAY? Instead of having actua characterization, goals, wants and desires.
It's a problem in a lot of media not just games. But Bioware is probably the biggest offender, if I was gay I'd fucking hate Bioware for it considering every gay character they make is 1 dimensional and have their personality solely revolve around being a faggot or dyke
>>318279762
Probably Baldur's Gate re-release. It's unlikely they have contact with anything else of the kind.
>>318279850
>They're whole character is just IM GAY DID YOU KNOW IM GAY?
I know what you're referring to but, I can't think of a single video game character like this.
>>318279098
Go back to fallout 4
>>318278158
>The truth is that the armor was a decision imposed on me. The concept artists decided to put a hole in the geth. Then, in a moment of whimsy, they spackled a bit Shep's armor over it. Someone who got paid a lot more money than me decided that was really cool and insisted on the hole and the N7 armor. So I said, okay, Legion gets taken down when you meet it, so it can get the hole then, and weld on a piece of Shep's armor when it reactivates to represent its integration with Normandy's crew (when integrating aboard a new geth ship, it would swap memories and runtimes, not physical hardware).
>But Higher Paid decided that it would be cooler if Legion were obsessed with Shepard, and stalking him. That didn't make any sense to me -- to be obsessed, you have to have emotions. The geth's whole schtick is -- to paraphrase Legion -- "We do not experience (emotions), but we understand how (they) affect you." All I could do was downplay the required "obsession" as much as I could.
God damn, the more I read about how dumbed down ME2 and ME3 were from the original intentions, the sadder it gets.
>>318279918
Steve "Gay Pilot" from E3
>>318279850
Not only that, but apparently almost every gay man is flaming and flamboyant. This is a trend that pisses me off to no end.
>>318278781
>it's pretty obvious that whoever made them has never even seen two men having sex before. You're pretty much watching two guys take turns having vaginal intercourse with one another.
Do guys not have v-v-vaginas?
I agree with you though. That's why every time a developer announces a gay character before the game comes out, I know it's going to be poorly written, and unrepresentative. Where as when I encounter one in a game that hasn't hyped it as a selling point I just enjoy it as a depth of their character.
As far as bisexual/homosexual, you're on the money. With bethesda people will inevitably mod them to be horses with dick armor anyway so write a decent character and let the mods butcher it if they want to, but Bioware really doesn't have an excuse, making every character bisexual isn't including everyone, its eliminating any semblance of identity the character should have.
>>318279918
DA:I, Dorian
>>318279957
For the most part I actually liked 2, mainly for its characterization but this is a fucking shame.
>>318278781
There are relatively few bisexual people in Bioware games, everyone being bi is just a myth made up by /v/ to shit on it. And Inquisition did deal with homosexuality in Dorian's questline by making it about how his father didn't necessarily mind him being gay, but he had to marry a woman because that's how the Tevinter society worked or something like that. In the end it was just stupid anyway, and just felt like a way to make young gay boys go like "omg I identify with this so much!!" as if 90% of gay people haven't experienced something similar.
There not being much social issues with gay people in the Fallout universe makes sense as one of the big things with the setting is that society was wiped clean and people generally forgot about the old world's issues and stigmas, for the most part at least.
Also Bethesda is terrible at this, OBSIDIAN wrote the characters in NV. Bethesda forced you to be in a heterosexual marriage in FO4, and every romance is inexplicably bisexual just like you're complaining about and there's no discussion around the fact that you went from your wife to fucking a big burly male BoS paladin.
>Standing around doing shit
>"If only I could find a man" is just his ambient dialogue
Why do you memesters keep saying you only know he's gay if you have a perk?
Oh I forgot, it's Obsidian and Obsidian can do no wrong
>Weee I'm from the BOS but I hate being all cramped up! I'm also a huge muff muncher **Holds up spork**
It's literally Bioware tier but hey, It's fine when Obsidian does it
>>318270675
Because Obsidian are good at it and Bioware aren't
>>318272471
>>318280102
He's super flamboyant and a narcissist so it's super obvious just through that, but I think he's kinda funny because of it. It's the fact that his sidequest is about his gayness that ruins him.
>>318280126
>And Inquisition did deal with homosexuality in Dorian's questline by making it about how his father didn't necessarily mind him being gay, but he had to marry a woman because that's how the Tevinter society worked or something like that. In the end it was just stupid anyway, and just felt like a way to make young gay boys go like "omg I identify with this so much!!" as if 90% of gay people haven't experienced something similar.
I haven't played Inquisition. That sounds like a step in the right direction, though, to say nothing of how it was executed. Good on them.
>There not being much social issues with gay people in the Fallout universe makes sense as one of the big things with the setting is that society was wiped clean and people generally forgot about the old world's issues and stigmas, for the most part at least.
This might be a little bit academic, but you should consider that most cultures in the world, even with different religious backgrounds, view homosexuality as somewhat taboo. I would think the barbarian survivalist culture of the Fallout universe would at least produce some examples of people who find it objectionable.
Acceptance of homosexuality is a hallmark of sociological development, not a baseline from which prejudice creates a deviation.
>>318279957
Was there ever an explanation why Ashley's space racist characterization was completely sideswiped for her dicklust for Shep and super sexy INDAHPENDUNTS WOWMAN redesign?
That was seriously some great fucking writing. The fact that they had the balls to write a likeable character who doesn't necessarily have likeable or even acceptable ideals, and pull it off fantastically was great. She was a compelling character who actually had depth. And then she just got turned into a bimbo.
This whole gender politics and progressive writing is such shit and pisses me off. We can't even have good stories and characters anymore in fear of someone being called an "ist" over the internet because they think every character is a self insert for somebody.
>>318270675
>ask Gannon about his life and he casually mentions that he wants to find a decent guy to settle down with
>thats it
>any bioware homosexual
>YES I AM GAY, AND BEING GAY IS WHO I AM, AND IT IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF MY CHARACTER AND MY BACKGROUND, LETS BE GAY TOGETHER
>yes (relationship +100)
>no (relationship -100)
>*sarcastic* (relationship -50)
>>318280536
She was never a space racist. Play the game again.
>>318275237
>beatrix
paying whores to fuck you isn't waifu-ish
>>318279957
It's EA. It's Bioware.
Remember almost liking Dragon Age: Origins?
I am constantly torn, because I hate Bioware and EA, but they reliably provide lesbian content which makes me DIAMONDS. I pirate what I can, I'm sorry /v/ I'm part of the problem, but my dick makes me do it.
>>318270675
Because bioware makes a gay character.
Arcade was a character that was gay
Catch my drift dumdum?
>>318280719
Pirating doesn't make you part of the problem. Just don't buy. Especially not for that reason alone.
>>318280458
A lot of modern homophobia stems from either religion ("it's wrong/unnatural/a sin!") or misogyny (in the sense that femininity is considered weak and homosexuality is perceived as a feminine trait) and none of those are significant factors in the Fallout universe, no one has really had any reason to bother with caring about who people falls in love with.
>>318279957
No wonder that arc went nowhere
>>318280719
DA:O was for the most part pretty good, shame the series just plummeted immediately
>>318274194
[Christine stares at you.]
>>318280198
>>Standing around doing shit
>>"If only I could find a man" is just his ambient dialogue
>>318280838
Yeah but I played SWTOR for the lesbians. I am the problem.
>>318280894
I think we may be giving Fallout a little too much credit. None of the world seems to have really put a lot of thought into the social aspect of the setting. Consider for instance that there's not really any social class structure, no distinction between rich and poor people, no food crises or people struggling to survive. Everyone just kind of walks around during the day and sleeps on a mattress on the floor at night.
>>318280629
I have, she was a Space Racist. While she tries to deny it, she completely distrusts alien races and holds grudges against Turians especially for the shit that went down with her grandfather(?).
Didn't they also get rid of her religious side? I don't remember hearing her say a thing about her beliefs or even hinting towards them in ME3.
>>318272820
I got one of those shitty sex mods once and raped houses half dead corpse.
I humped the shit out of that bed.
>>318273921
Its kind of hard to make a flamboyant gay character likeable.
>>318272820
I hope you're not trolling because that is literally how I felt. I just want my Walt Disney husbando.
>>318278069
''I like watching shitty movies more than actually putting effort into fucking reading a good quality book'' goddamn these fucking degenerates
>>318281165
>she completely distrusts alien races
She distrusts people outside the structure of the military units she belongs to. Which would include human mercenaries (such as Zaeed), because they're unpredictable, especially in the scope they're dealing with at the time.
>and holds grudges against Turians especially for the shit that went down with her grandfather(?).
That's not racist. It's made clear int he game that others and even other species think that way, too. Turians being too trigger happy.
>>318277401
Not him but I like the Legion. You really have to understand Caesars long term goals to be able to side with the legion other then lolevul reasons. Plus it doesn't help that like 80% of legion content was scrapped because of deadlines. The Legion is solely a conquering military force to create a society after they're done with. Caesar made an army and that's what they are, their methods while barbaric to our modern sensibilities are perfectly normal if you roll back the years to the times of Ancient Rome and really it's the post "post" apocalypse what is morally just is what's necessary for survival be it of a single man or the human race.
But I get why you don't like them. It's the fault of Beth for refusing to push back the release date. We could have gone east of the Colorado. Seen the society Caesar was building behind his army his female war priest, the trade hubs and free settlements without a raider or monster in sight. Maybe even have visited the spires of dog town Denver.
Too bad SOMEGUY IS A FAGGOT WHO CANCELLED SINNERS AND SLAVES. GOD DAMN YOU SOMEGUY IT WAS THE ONLY CHANCE TO HAVE A VIEW OF THE LEGION.
>>318281083
At least you're aware. Some here are so deep into their delusions, common sense simply doesn't get to them.
>>318281159
NV had rich people and all the poor ones are not even allowed into the best district of town. All of the factions have their own hierarchy system. Survival is not a big issue in most settlements because it's not too hard to grow some crops and purify some water. It's not like the average person is living comfortably though. People just mindlessly walking around is just because of shit engine/making a ton of NPCs actually do meaningful things is pretty much impossible.
Your post seems to be based on the Beth-made Fallouts, which shouldn't even be taken seriously because they're just bad.
>>318279976
>>318280018
>>318279850
>>318278158
That reminds me.
>>318281507
I get what you're saying, and you're not dumb for thinking it.
But we're not rolling back time. People remember, not actually, but through the tales of their ancestors a time when Caesar's brutality wouldn't be permitted. This isn't a group of ignorant serfs, people in the wasteland (well, I guess as I like to imagine them) aren't idiots, they're hard workers.
>>318281018
She was ruined when she got her voice back.
>>318279918
DA2 Anders
Mass Effect 3 Cortez
Inquisition Sera and Dorian
That's just from half remembering the games. In my opinion Cortez and Sera are the worst offenders. But Anders was also bullshit with his whole "Hawke thank you please let me suck your cock" say no? Enjoy your reputation drop.
>>318271167
He's a gay man, not a faggot. His homosexuality isn't a defining characteristic of him.
>>318283152
>ME3 Cortez
God I fucking hated him.
>oh great here comes my military superior
>better activate the wetworks so now he knows I'm single AND gay
And he remained in that state the entire fucking game
>Cortez lets talk about the ship
>Oh the ship is in good condition UNLIKE MY GAY MARRIAGE THAT JUST ENDED WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>318283152
Funny enough the most obviously gay of them, Dorian, is the best. Not good, mind you, but not total shit either.
>>318270675
Essential characters is a terrible feature. Let people kill anyone they want but let them know when they fucked up.
>>318274565
>jerking it to Felicia Day
>not blowing Veronica's head off regardless of what side you pick
Even if it means side-lining the BOS, me and Veronica cannot share the Mojave.
>>318278069
I fully understand that some people just can't like older games. Even I have problems now playing games that I loved in the 90s just because I've gradually got used to the various gameplay and control updates that have happened since.
But "there's too much to read" is such a shitty complaint, holy shit.
>>318273368
Tumblrtards ruined DA elves for me.
All I want now is the ability to purge elves.
>>318270675
Because BioWare hasn't made a good game in over 10 years.
>>318274929
Honestly a romance would ruin his character. Witnessing a romance between two NPCs can be done well, but when the player gets involved it's impossible to write an actual relationship into being without railroading the player. If you don't railroad the player, you have to hollow-out the NPC into a walking bag of "loving spouse" stereotypes to match the player's lack of input in the relationship.
>>318283736
That requires leagues more effort in storytelling than they're willing to put in.
>>318283736
Most people would disagree with you. I hate finding out a character I need/like died 30+ hours prior to my current playthrough.
>>318284290
That's a consequence for killing people.
Making NPCs essential from getting killed by random enemy spawns is one thing, but when I can't even kill Marcy Long in FO4 something is just wrong. They make a game where player freedom is supposed to be the most important element and then forget to give them actual freedom. Good job, Bethesda!
>>318278781
>Like for instance, how there are no actual homosexual characters in Bioware games, just bisexual ones.
It was always my headcanon that the characters you can romance as either gender were either 100% straight or 100% gay dependant on your character. So if the NPC is a guy and you play a guy, he is gay and has always been gay, but if you play a woman, he's straight and has always been straight. Alternative universes and all that shit.
What annoyed me more than anything is characters who had an established sexuality in one game suddenly being shoehorned into being gay/bi/whatever in another game in the series just to be more progressive. That's just shit.
>>318283504
>Quest that revolves about WAAAAH I HATE MY DAD BECAUSE HE TRIED TO MAKE ME STRAIGHT WITH BLOODMAGIC AND I WAS NOT WILLING TO JUST STICK MY DICK INTO A FEMALE SO MY 18273109832 YEAR OLD LINEAGE CONTINUES TO EXIST
> but not total shit either.
Are you trolling?
>>318284578
Let me reiterate: He wasn't total shit UNTIL that quest. I really liked him but that quest ruined everything.
>>318270675
Obsidian make it subtle.
BioWare literally had a marketing campain about the character's sexual preference.
>>318281497
>Turians being too trigger happy.
Oh. Oh, I see. That's how you think. Okay. Makes sense. Space racist.
>>318284690
It's a fact they've proven time and again. Hell, even they admit it. And are proud of it, because of simplistic species design.
>>318270901
Like veronica?
Literally would not shut up about being a pussy eating dyke all fucking game.
Do gays still feel like they need to reproduce, but are just attracted to men or do they have no desire for anything like that?
>>318284880
Quite a few want to have a family. Adoption or otherwise. Reproduction, as in penis in vagina, no.
>>318284230
To further elaborate, when the player can't input anything meaningful, it becomes impossible to "show" that the two characters love each other. So, developers have to settle for reinforcing the relationship status by "telling" - having the character explicitly say things like "I MISSED YOU SO MUCH, MY DEAR, DEAR LOVE" as often and clearly as possible.
>>318270675
Because it's just a small part of him. Honestly Arcade sucks but it's more because he's a moody, whiny faggot than the fact he's a gayfag.
>>318284840
>literally being a space-racist
Oh /v/
>>318284880
Just like with straight people it depends on the person? You do realize there are many gay couples with children right?
>>318284846
Nigga what she's even less vocal about it
>>318284846
>ask her about her personal life
>she talks about her ex girlfriend
LITERALLY CAN'T SHUT UP
>>318270901
>Bioware gays never shut the fuck up about how much of a slut they are or how they have a dead husband
Literally what? I've never witnessed this is a Bioware game. Care to provide some examples?
I did hear that one guy mention his dead husband when I was talking to him in ME3, but he only mentioned it once or twice and only when I asked him about it.
>>318285482
Your bait needs some work.
>>318285482
I always found it pretty jarring how Traynor was a pretty good character but her introduction made sure to talk about how much she wanted to fuck EDI's voice because Bioware can't into subtlety.
>>318284880
I think about it every now and then, how I do have this innate desire to reproduce and don't want to die without reproducing, but I don't want kids. I don't want to be responsible for the upbringing and lives of other human beings. Not because I'm selfish, but because I think I'd make a horrible father, and the last thing this planet needs is another underprivileged, poorly raised kid.
>>318284880
I can't speak for all gays everywhere but I have no desire for children. But, I'm sure a lot of straight people feel the way I do, too.
>>318270675
Because /v/ thinks progressive shit is writing a character and then mentioning he's a fag, while bioware goes for a more realistic approach in how annoying literal faggots are
Of course Obsidian çuck are mostly closeted homos and bisexuals (which is code for " I'M A FAGGOT BUT I WANNA SEEM STRAIGHT TOO :^((( LE SAD FACE" ) who won't shut up about their trash fallout game, which compared to fallout 1 and 2, is complete dogshit.
>>318278364
You can discover that it was to complex for the geth tried to copy him , but it didn't work, if I remember correctly. He was really 200+ different geth shoved in one robot, and copying them and putting them back into a robot didn't create legion(2), it created legion pre-memories. That's why legion could die.
So how about some positive examples of good gay characters in video games?
I agree with Arcade for example.
>>318286513
Well, yeah, faggots are annoying. Gay people aren't, though. Now take a guess which character is which.
Other than you being a troll, of course.
>>318286709
you really second guess him trolling? why did you even reply to that retarded comment
>>318286704
That guy from TLOU I guess. There really aren't that many.
