So...
If gen 3 synths are basically just humans that are manually assembled piece by piece by a big ass machine (as you can see in the Robotics division of The Institute)
And the molecular teleportation device smashes your atoms apart and then re-assembles them elsewhere...
Doesn't that make you a synth?
Synths are churned out in under a minute.
They didn't grow up or have any real memories or connections to the world, they won't age, they're less alive than zombies.
They are a real threat and completely bonkers.
Dance is the only sane one.
>>318263507
That's not true, gen 3 synths are normal people
How do I know YOU aren't a zombie?
>>318263025
Humans are born, Synths are made. And Synths are far better than Humans in nearly every single thing.
Its a pretty fucking big difference.
>ANYONE COULD BE A SYNTH is forced down your throat
>simple blood test or accident breaking skin would reveal them
Fucking stupid desu
Baby's first teleporter dilemma
>>318264093
>>simple blood test or accident breaking skin would reveal them
Their blood is identical to humans, as is all their organs.
>>318263925
EMP THE SYNTHS
>>318263025
>synths are good boys they dindu nuffin
Gen 3's a shit.
They're disrespectful, deceptive turncoats.
I wanted to side with the institute because shiney, but I also wanted to blow the mayors head off.
I should have sided with the brotherhood and purged the fuckers.
I'm your god damned master, bow before me robot.
>>318264002
You were made by your mum. You're just a meat computer
>>318264491
Yeah no, now your just throwing around words.
>>318264669
you're*
A real human would know how to spell. Synth detected
>>318265054
Looks like you're (you are) the synth then, faggot.
>>318265201
no u
SYNTHS ARE EVIL
>>318266942
HATE SYNTHS
Why wouldn't anyone choose the institute? As acting director you have the ability to change it in the future and thus change the world (or at least the shitty commonwealth)
The soul is the conscience of sentience. A soul can be bestowed only God. Therefore the soulless sentience is an amoral abomination and should be reviled.
>>318267462
this to be frank
>>318263025
Atoms cannot be turned into information, mass cannot be annihilated. Your body is destroyed and a copy is made.
Bethesda is retarded
Syths are almost 95% indistinguishable from humans, they are sentient, they might aswell be humans.
The problem is that they are immortal and once these syths realise they are gods amongst men its more then likely they would group up and rebel against humanity in the wastes.
Basically what the Railroad is trying to unknowingly do.
>>318267316
>there are people that actually chose the SJW RailKeks
i dont get it how are gen 3 synths not human? is it just because they are built rather than grown in a womb?
they feel pain
they have personalities
they think, they get bored,have fear etc
there organic
im not sure if they age though i imagine they would
the only reason they speak like robots and behave like that in the institute is because from the moment they are concious they are instructed how to act talk etc
![Terminator-Diagnostics[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/WgPlRin.gif "Terminator-Diagnostics[1].gif")
>>318267159
SUPPORT SYNTHS
>>318267462
What if it's the other way around though, and a soul is required for a being to be sentient? The soulless sentience is not just an abomination, it is a gross impossibility and a cruel one at that.
Even Danse knew synths were abominations.
Ad victoriam
>>318268810
This. Its why I'm siding with the Brotherhood to wipe the fuckers out eventually.
>>318269120
Gen 3 synths are basically humans.
All these fedora just spouting religious bullshit.
If we created gen 3 synths right now in the real world they would probably pass legislation to ensure that they are actually easy to distinguish and probably keep them as a slave race like they do in the Institute ingame.
>>318268810
So you are a synth then, since in game you're basically inmortal in the not-killable sense.
>>318263507
>Dance is the only sane one
>kill all the synths!
>e-except that one I like!
Brotherhoodfags everyone.
>>318263025
Stop being a massive retard.
>armchair philosophy
Go fucking die.
>>318264669
>Yeah no
He's right though.
Our brains are nothing more than just organic computers with pre-programmed goals and guidelines (instincts) and huge autonomy in achieving them.
I'm sorry Anon but all we do is more or less predetermined.
>>318268810
>synths may as well be humans
Synths are literally confined to their programming. They can't "think" or do anything beyond it. The same goes for any AI. Real Intelligence would then be the ability to think novel thoughts.
Stay a keked synth shill though. You'd be the first to go either through my boot or the synths metal foot.
While I want to kill all the synths, I could never kill Curie.
>>318267462
>implying God gave you a soul
>>318269580
Too high brow for you?
>>318269741
>Synths are literally confined to their programming.
So are humans.
You are not a special as you think you are.
>>318263025
No, synths are like Blade Runner replicants.
More human than human.
>>318269659
This is true, but I'm repeatedly confounded by how you autists actually think that shit matters.
So what? Consciousness can be defined more broadly than what most people think because there isn't a huge philosophical difference between the function of a human brain and a cell phone, but does it really matter? What you're saying is still irrelevant to the fact that there are fundamental differences in the technicalities of ho Synth's work/are made.
They are still different than humans, even if they are conscious. They are still problematic to the existence of our species and need to be contained, unless you're a turbo-hippy that doesn't give a shit about the human race in the favor of all life, maaaan.
>>318268905
I beat the game as pure Brotherhood at first. I'm only doing Railroad now because different playthrough.
They all suck except Deacon.
>>318269923
Pointless, unprovable platitude.
All an AI is is mimicking human intelligence. It isn't real. It will never be human or natural. It is confined by it's very definition.
>>318264235
>EMP
Wouldn't do shit to them desu.
Do the Minutemen tie into the whole Institute situation at some point..or..? I am really conflicted on who to side with.
>>318270107
I refuse to side with the Brotherhood no matter what because I don't want a final mission as a glorified pet-walker.
>>318268905
It's the faction that gets the most hate and buzzwords thrown at it so it's probably the best
>>318270243
If you don't side with the Brotherhood of Dumbasses and blow your cover in the Institute so you can't infiltrate it for the Railroad anymore then you can get the Minutemen ending where you sneak into the Institute and hijack their teleporter to bring in a small army and wreck their shit.
>>318270162
>Pointless, unprovable platitude.
How?
Bethesda is just lazy.
They made synths look 100% like human even internally because they couldn't be arsed to create new models.
So they can just add "synth component" to the NPC inventory and say "he/she is a synth! isn't that clever?".
Free will is a meme.
>>318270468
Cool but is there any meaningfull incentive to their attack? ReachedThe Battle Of Bunker Hill.and the Minutemen have nothing to do with it.Do they just suddenly wake up and decide the Institute and the BoS need to die for shots and giggles?
>>318270162
We are literally biochemical machines that are limited by the inherent functionality of our brains. Slaves to hormones and mood swings.
Thinking we are anything more than that is delusional and thinking synths as they are portrayed are anything less than that is the same.
>>318270664
If you get on the Institutes bad side then they will send an army of synths and coursers to attack the castle.
>>318266942
>>318267159
You synths are fooling anyone!
>>318263025
I am very sensitive towards this subject
>>318270642
Religion is a joke
>>318270765
Kinda pointless. So who should I side with? Secondmen,Brotherhood Of Hoarders or The Instismarts?
>>318270630
Iunno, that manufacturing process was pretty sweet and completely unnecessary.
>>318267316
because they are actually stupid as fuck and doesnt look as badass as BoS. The whole character in stitute is boring
Heck the whole story went downhill when your son allowed you to take a walk on supposedly 'dangerous' enemy base
i never seen vilain so pathetic or un-intimidating as insititute in any RPG
>>318270246
>I don't want a final mission as a glorified pet-walker
What? Is Liberty Prime back or are you just traumatized?
>>318270691
>>318270530
Prove that there is a limit.
>>318270691
>Wah, were biological so AI is the same or better than us
All you keks are self-hating machine fetishists.
>Machine created for recon missions on the surface has very sophisticated AI that allows it to feign emotions
>Sometimes the machine malfunctions and forgets its directive, so it falls back upon its AI to create a back-up "personality"
>"SYNTHS ARE PEOPLE AND HAVE FREE WILL!!"
>>318270017
Yes, they are different, but they are also indistinguishable. LIterally no way of telling if you are a synth or a human.
>unless you're a turbo-hippy that doesn't give a shit about the human race in the favor of all life, maaaan.
Why does it matter if it's a human or a synth? You can't tell the difference. If I would tell you that everyone around you is actually a synth and you are the last human on Earth, would you really give more than maybe 2 fucks about it?
>>318270162
>Pointless, unprovable platitude
Oh it's very much provable I assure you.
Take a kitchen knife and try to slit your throat. Guess what, you won't. Not because you consciously don't want to die (at least not directly) but because you are literally programmed to avoid death.
You are physically incapable of killing yourself unless another, more important program (like the desire to keep your offspring alive since it's more important to the human race survival than you are at this point) overrides that, or unless your brain is malfunctioning because of some illness.
>All an AI is is mimicking human intelligence
Or, if advanced enough, being an indistinguishable copy of it.
>It isn't real
Who are you to tell?
>It is confined by it's very definition
You seem to think human brain is some Perpetuum mobile which can't be created no matter what. It can, everything can be reverse engineered, we just lack the capabilities at this point.
>>318271130Both.
>>318270630
What would you have changed visually? Anything more than Blade Runner eyes would be stupid as the whole point is that they can replace actual humans you know and you'll never tell.
>>318271131
You need proof that we're not omniscient?
>>318270691
>limited
If that was true you wouldn't be having this conversation right now. We're not limited in any way, we constantly improve and overcome our shortcomings to the point where we've left evolution way behind.
Can someone of you quasi-philosophical fags help anon out?
Doing BoS playthrough, it seems bugged and I can't finish it. How to restart a quest of NPC? Because when Liberty Reprimed starts and Proctor Ingram is supposed to go somewhere and show you something, she just stands there, doing nothing.
Pls help.
>>318271467
>OR NPC. Fixed.
>>318271467
Kill him
>soul
>>318271467
fast travel away. Rest for 4 ingame days. fast travel back. Works 90% of the time.
>>318271535
OR?
>>318271467
She should have teleported to the airport.
Ur fucked.
>>318271458
Limited brain power doesn't somehow imply that we wouldn't be capable of having this conversation. It's just acknowledging that we don't know everything and are not capable of knowing everything, and that our behavior and thoughts are affected by things that influence the brain instead of it all being controlled by us.
>>318271582
Alright, I'll try that. Thank you anon.
>>318271181
>You are physically incapable of killing yourself
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>318271181
>You are physically incapable of killing yourself
hahahahaha
If that were true, I wouldn't have spent most of October and November in hospital and under constant supervision.
>>318271658
Good job not reading the rest of his sentence
>>318264093
Do the covenant quest.
There's a lady that dissects synths.
>>318271658
>I take things out of context
>you are physically incapable of killing yourself unless another, more important program (...) overrides that, or unless your brain is malfunctioning because of some illness
Tell me about someone killing himself without any of that being the case, I'll wait.
I never get this whole idea of "what is human".
Sentience is its own thing, if a synthetic is just as sentient as a human, that makes it a sentient being.
>>318271181
>>318271181
>>318271181
>this example
Explain suicide then. How could people possibly go against their programming?
AI's don't have the will to go against their programming because they don't have will to begin with.
My internet is really shit so my responses are going to be slow.
>>318271220
>>318271467
>tfw want to play Liberty Prime mission but don't want to make a character go through Brotherhood of Radiant Quests
>>318271739
Good job not reading the rest of his sentence, too
>>318271789
>Explain suicide then
Bad code, or degeneration of the hardware leading to erratic and aberrant behaviour.
fuck sytnhs
>>318271741
>>318271778
That's retarded.
>you are PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE of killing yourself ... unless you do, then uhh, there was a virus in the Matrix
>>318271181
>You are physically incapable of killing yourself
What is suicide
>>318271658
>>318271739
>>318271789
Do you fags even know how to read?
>you are physically incapable of killing yourself unless another, more important program (...) overrides that, or unless your brain is malfunctioning because of some illness
>>318271739
And why did you try to kill yourself? Depression? Guess what, depression is a mental disorder. Your brain is literallly malfunctioning.
>>318271789
>Explain suicide then. How could people possibly go against their programming?
Read for yourself. Not going to repeat myself more.
>Synths supposedly have free will
>Can be switched off and mindwiped with a simple code phrase
If they possessed free will, they could ignore the phrases.
Checkmate, Railroad.
>>318271946
Why are you talking like that?
>>318271934
You are a moron.
>>318272062
You know there are drugs that inhibit mid-term and long-term memory.
I'm missing 2 days of my life because of them.
The doctors probably raped me knowing i'd never remember.
>>318272062
>Can be switched off and mindwiped with a simple code phrase
You can do the same to humans if you brainwash them.
Psychological conditioning is hell of a drug.
>>318272183
We're both arguing philosophy on /v/, it's assumed that we're morons.
>>318272183
High quality argumentation
>>318271146
>Implying "real" emotions are anything more than programmed responses to external stimuli.
>Implying free will exists
>Implying we can't study brain activity and accurately predict the choices that a given subject will make several seconds before they have consciously decided.
>Implying that you are anything more than a meat computer.
>>318271741
>you can't do X
>but you can actually do it if Y or Z
That basically means you can do x, but he's trying to prove a stupid points so he masks his statement
>>318271778
By killing yourself are we also talking about voluntarily going in harm's way where it can cost you your life? Your
>like the desire to keep your offspring alive
would imply that the answer is yes.
There's shitloads of examples in any war where people died because they believed in a cause that had nothing to do with survival.
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/stamfordbridge.html
Just random example that first came to mind
>>318271739
well he is right, you did fail at killing yourselftry again, don't let your dreams be dreams,
just do it
>>318272167
>claim people are "physically incapable" of suicide, unless they have a mental illness
>you can tell you have a mental illness because you try to commit suicide
>TRY AND BEAT MY CIRCULAR LOGIC
Fuck off, Aristotle.
>>318263025
They're literally just clones, they have human dna.
>>318272062
I still don't quite understand how are gen 3's programed.
Their manufacturing process looks like they are fully biological.
>>318272027
>And why did you try to kill yourself? Depression?Chronic headache condition. 10/10 pain for 4 months. Lost the will to live under pain. Psych team only kept me on supervision for as long as they did because my scared family asked them to. They knew it wasn't depression and that I won't harm myself unless I suffer the same amount of pain for such a long time again.
But yeah, think what you want.
>>318272345
Shit's painful, bro. Also, discovered my waifu is in an upcoming vidya. Gotta 100% that.
>>318272371
This is Bethesda we're talking about.
Don't try to put in more thought to this kind of shit than they did. It'll otherwise just confuse and irritate you.
>>318272359
Why are you talking like that and using a strawman?
>>318272359
an average well adjusted person in a relatively stable environment doesn't commit suicide unless he suffers from something tho desu senpai
>>318272371
Their brains have a robotic synth component in them, and this is a world where a ghoul village has a machine that lets you enter people's minds, and you can't imagine how they could program memories?
>>318272371
There is a three stage process. The first is skeleton, second is electrical wires and covering, last is skin and whatever that shit is in the red vat.
>>318272237
The dumbest thing I've ever heard. Trying to equate psychological conditioning to a complete mind wipe and mental self-destruct code on a AI.
Literally retarded.
>>318272481
I think we can all agree that generally behavior occurs in reaction to something, and won't deviate greatly from expectations unless something goes wrong in the brain, but people aren't "physically incapable" of suicide any more than they're physically incapable of licking their own shit. People just tend not to seriously want to do that.
>>318272328
>There's shitloads of examples in any war where people died because they believed in a cause that had nothing to do with survival.
The ultimate goal of life is to preserve life.
It doesn't necessarily mean your life, however. It means life in general. If you decide that sacrificing your life for the many lives of your countrymen is worth it, then you will do it.
>>318272486
>and you can't imagine how they could program memories?
more like I can't quite understand how do you shut down a living person with a phrase
no matter how much metal is connected to their brains
>>318272579
>Trying to equate psychological conditioning to a complete mind wipe and mental self-destruct code on a AI.
Give it time, Anon. We will get to that point eventually.
>>318272737
>how do you shut down a living person with a phrase
"Your waifu is shit"
what is newtons third law
and
why do people have so much trouble coming to terms with deteminism
>>318272737
Simple. I shoot a bullet into your brain. You die. Mind wiped.
>>318272794
You're literally trying to say that you can delete system 32 on a person.
>>318272737
>how do you shut down a living person with a phrase
its called being triggered shitlord
>>318272725
But I'm going to kill other humans, won't I? How exactly does that benefit my race or my genetic code? My "genetic programming" doesn't have "country you should die for" embedded in it, it's my free will to do so because of some human beliefs that again, have nothing to do with genetics. Some might have same beliefs but can be unwilling to die like I would.
I kill other people, I kill myself and my genes die with me. If I had a kid then he'll have a smaller chance of surviving without a father to help him along.
>>318272223
>Drugs that a person must ingest/get injected with so they can have a physical effect on their bodies
>Same as someone saying a phrase within earshot and getting
>>318272328
>you can't do X
>but you can actually do it if Y or Z
>That basically means you can do x, but he's trying to prove a stupid points so he masks his statement
But this is how every action or thought you ever have occurs--some reaction excites you to do or think those things. You can kill yourself, but almost always it's a sign of an unhealthy mind (either clinical depression, extreme grief, etc.) since there are biological and cultural influences that try to sway us away from doing so.
>>318272737
Combinations of words trigger memories all the time, except in their case, instead of accessing a memory file, it's accessing a shut-down sequence.
>>318272671
Did you even read his post?
>You are physically incapable of killing yourself unless another, more important program (like the desire to keep your offspring alive since it's more important to the human race survival than you are at this point) overrides that, or unless your brain is malfunctioning because of some illness.
>unless another, more important program (like the desire to keep your offspring alive since it's more important to the human race survival than you are at this point) overrides that, or unless your brain is malfunctioning because of some illness.
>>318272878
>You're literally trying to say that you can delete system 32 on a person
Every brain has a component that regulates the work of other components.
We are you to know how to manipulate that with psychology, but give it time Anon. Remember the 1st Clarke's Law.
>>318272965
Well it's kind of fucked up.
For those 2 days I was conscious, talking, moving, making decisions, having free will.
But it wasn't me. It was using my memories and my body, but whatever it was doesn't exist anymore.
And this is the shit they give to civilian doctors.
The cia must have some crazy mind control shit.
>>318272737
You build a mechanism into the organism that releases a potent dose of sleep hormone or something to paralyze it then you use the code phrase as the trigger, or rather, you use a particular emotional state as a trigger then condition the synth to go into that state when they hear the code phrase.
In real life there is a species of goat whose muscles lock up whenever they are panicked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fainting_goat
>>318273112
Did you even read mine?
>generally behavior occurs in reaction to something, and won't deviate greatly from expectations unless something goes wrong in the brain
I get the thing you quoted. All I'm saying is the phrasing "physically incapable" is dumb. It's only there because he needs that connection to act like we're so similar to robots who have set program to physically stop an action in its tracks, except that's not what's going on at all.
The only problem with Synths is the concept of psychological zombie.
They could act perfectly like a human could, but what if they don't themselves actually feel any emotion from this? Maybe they're just a really good program that acts like a human but none of the internal emotive feelings?
I guess in a sense it doesn't matter but in another sense doesn't it? Would you want to be love with something that doesn't actually feel love with you, but acts like a human in love does?
>>318272963
>But I'm going to kill other humans, won't I?
Yes.
>How exactly does that benefit my race or my genetic code?
You decided that the lives of your countrymen are worth more than the lives of others.
My "genetic programming" doesn't have "country you should die for" embedded in it, it's my free will to do so because of some human beliefs that again, have nothing to do with genetics
It's pretty much like tribal mentality. We tend to favour what we already know and what we made bonds with, it's a safe bet.
>Some might have same beliefs but can be unwilling to die like I would.
No brain is the same. Some instincts are stronger or weaker depending on the individual, and most of your decisions is based on a fuck ton of different instincts.
>>318273367
You're not even arguing against anything though, that's what I'm saying. You agree with his original post about how people don't commit suicide unless certain factors lead them to doing so, and have only restated that point
>>318273598
I'm glad you realize I am not getting caught up in this non-argument, just clarifying some word use. Unfortunately, it might take you a few more years to realize there's a world outside internet arguments.
>>318273465
>Would you want to be love with something that doesn't actually feel love with you, but acts like a human in love does?
That's what happens with woman though
>>318273019
>>318273019
>>318273019
>>318273019
In a synth, if their programming does not allow for X, they would never be able to do X, regardless if Y, Z, or the other 23 alphabetic variables happen.
>but if the AI works improperly, than that means that they are the same as human intelligence
It doesn't change a single thing.
>>318263507
>>318273465
Did you avoid all sci-fi with AI in it up to this point?
>>318273465
This is devolving into dangerously 2deep4u territory.
Synths have feelings and emotions and they themselves consider them genuine.
Is hormone glands telling your brain that you "love" this person in order to copulate and reproduce really that different from a binary code doing the same shit?
>>318273465
>Would you want to be love with something that doesn't actually feel love with you, but acts like a human in love does
Human women already do this. It's nothing new.
>>318273757
What do you think you clarified?
>>318273465
>I guess in a sense it doesn't matter but in another sense doesn't it?
There is literally no way of knowing Anon.
For all you know you could be the only human left on the planet and everyone else is just a synth with a really good AI but without any feelings.
Now you have to ask yourself: it's a possiblity. But does it matter to you?
>>318263025
Fallout has teleporters now?
What the fuck, Bethesda?
>>318264093
Are you retarded? You realise Gen 3 synths aren't mechanical right? They're biological
>>318273834
I don't know what you're saying.
>>318273834
But anon, their programming would never allow them to betray The Institute and they're betraying it all the time.
>>318273925
But when you feel love you feel an actual emotive response in addition to thoughts about love
Synths could just be feeling programming that says they love, but have no deeper emotive response. They may even be programmed to say they feel love when they don't. They perfectly emulate love without feeling the actual emotions associated with it, perhaps not even with a conscious thought, just a more direct stream of inputs and outputs.
>>318269120
They're robots cause they are programmable. The Gen 3 Synths are just so advanced in terms of AI that they are "practically" humans, but their memories, personalities and other such things are incredibly malleable as we can see that a simple voice command can "factory reset" them. While they can pretty much act and feel things like a normal human; the fact that they can be controlled is the thing that prevents them from ever being truly human.
>>318270939
Instifucks are complete fedoras.
Brotherhood of dumbasses have only one appeal and that's if you like to PURGE!
Minutemen are the only ones who are actually looking out for the well being of the Commonwealth and you get to be more in charge of them than any other faction.
if synths are real then why didnt the institute build a bunch of thickass latinas as sex slaves?
>>318273332
VOCAL PARASITES
>>318274105
>synths
>made to be exactly like humans
>unable to feel the chemical concotion known as love.
You need to get off the wacky tobaccy man.
>>318272737
You know in real life you can induce a coma, right?
>>318273936
That people aren't "physically incapable" of suicide. It is not a physical issue. They won't just randomly suicide unless something like the second half of that post, but it's not physical incapability.
>>318274274
But they could be programmed to not feel it specifically. After all, the Institute was pretty insistent they weren't sentient like humans are
>>318271131
>Prove that there is a limit.
Have a look around you. You see all that infrared light?
No, of course you don't, because your brain isn't built to process that wave length.
>>318274301
You don't think there's a physical incapability if your brain doesn't order you to kill yourself?
>>318274221
>Minutemen are the only ones who are actually looking out for the well being of the Commonwealth and you get to be more in charge of them than any other faction.
>>318274098
>i-it's just a glitch and doesn't count
>Railroad tumblerinas try to tell me Synths are no different than human beings
>When you can literally reprogram them with one sentence.
don't know or care about the initial op topic but it's synth related.
can you turn yourself into a synth or help a synth faction?
I have my dude looking like Arnold Schwarzenegger
>>318274319
>the Institute was pretty insistent they weren't sentient like humans are
They insisted on that because if they admitted that synths are no less sentient than humans, to which all evidence points, then the Institute would have to deal with the uncomfortable truth that they are keeping slaves.
It's much more morally convenient to deny their obvious sentience.
>>318271636
>are not capable
Nigger fuck off. Humanity went from building with rocks to throw people off the planet. We are more than capable.
>>318274221
Yeah,so you become General for the minutemen. Sentinel for the Brotherhood of keks (second in command) And Acting Director for Instifucks. So you can be in charge of The fedoras too.
>>318270468
>you can get the Minutemen ending where you sneak into the Institute and hijack their teleporter to bring in a small army and wreck their shit.
So the same shit as for everyone else then (except the Institute), do they get nothing else?
Railroad ending was the most fun I've had because infiltrating the Prydwen was hard as hell and very enjoyable, and you still get to do the Institute infiltration afterwards anyway. BoS close second just for the silliness that's Liberty Prime.
>>318263025
Why does the institute lag my game so badly. I was in the room with the kid in the cell where you first meet fatherwho I shot dead immediatly when he appearedand my game could barely stay above 15 fps
>>318274274
Hell, with the robo parts in their brains they could probably be controlled by remotely changing the chemicals of the brain to induce a pain/pleasure system whenever they do something.
>>318274319
>But they could be programmed to not feel it specifically?
So have some kind of control over the hormones of the brain so it never releases those chemicals. All emotions are chemical reactions, if the Institute can control those, then they're wasting time on just building synths.
>>318274540
Are you joking?
>>318263507
That's what Hitler said.
>>318274098
>>318274098
That's because of Bethesdas writing. AI's would never be able to betray their programming. And I'm sure it could be explained away by simply saying they were programmed to have some sense of independence from the institute by whoever designed them.
>>318274521
bump
>>318274575
Yeah but you can't shape anything in the Institute but you can build shit for the Minutemen.
>>318263507
I was going full edge lord and slaughtering everyone like animals besides bos who will be dead after I gain access to the better quest items they give out so I can have an entire airship to myself. Anyway I spared danse due to his existential theories he discussed with me and somehow passed the speech to let danse survive.
>>318274672
No, I'm not. And I'm glad you fedrora autists aren't the ones in charge of the decisions made at the scientific institutes. In the he 1900s they said we couldn't fly. In the the 60s they said we couldn't go to the moon. Now fallout 4 niggers are saying we're not capable of anything more.
I swear the synth threads brings out the most pretentious pseudo intellectuals
>synths are humans
no they're not, they're fucking synths
>I mean they should be given same rights as humans!
kek, this is fucking post nuke apocalypse, what "rights" do humans even have? oh no I've violated human rights the police will arrest me oh wait..
>I mean people shouldn't hold prejudice against them
just like people shouldn't be hating on ghouls?
>we should kill all synths cause they can go crazy and kill us
just like how there's crazy humans called raiders or gunners strewn all over the place trying to kill you as well right?
>they're people cause they've got advanced AI allowing them to act just like people and people are just biological machines anyways
just like the first conversation with your old housekeeper mr handy after exiting the vault right?
I swear people in this thread are retarded enough to be story NPCs in either of the "major" fallout 4 factions
>>318274521
>can you turn yourself into a synth
No but you can turn a robot into a synth.
>or help a synth faction?
Yes. The Railroad.
just ignore the fucking story for fuck sake, you're playing a shit game to begin with, why are you even surprised of bethesda inability to write a coherent story ? the institute is fucking garbage.
"oh we have a fucking teleporter but let's not use something that can put atoms in the order we want to make whatever we want like every rich guy did prewar (Sierra Madre)"
"Oh there's a lot of car around , let's not rebuild any of them, that would be too much work for such a simple thing"
"let's not teleport any of our magic robot to the BOS airship and the railroad location that is so secret their fucking password is "RAILROAD" , let's wait for someone to do all the work for us"
"we can't remove the cancer from Caesa- i mean father head, we never had that kind of technology ever, except for ALL the autodocs that exist !"
"by the way, remember House ? yeah, the one who made fucking robco but never had an assaultron at his base of operation ?"
Fallout 4 is stupid, it's so inconsistent i can't believe it was released. you got fucking fridge ghouls and prewar people that were turned into ghouls BEFORE THE WAR to live forever.
>>318274105
>Synths could just be feeling programming that says they love, but have no deeper emotive response
>no deeper emotive response
Nick Valentine tracks down and executes a ghoul who killed the wife of his implanted persona of a human pre-war cop.
He feels grief and anger and is really upset because he's fully aware now that the memories aren't his own. Guy is completely steamrolled and doesn't know what to do next.
Where would You draw the line between "simulated" and "real" emotions, when they are both just automatic responses to outside stimuli?
>>318275056
Nice, please read the entirety of a post before replying
SYNTHS?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTLMjHrb_w4
>>318263025
What?
>>318275120
cool good to know
>>318275107
>I swear the synth threads brings out the most pretentious pseudo intellectuals
>now let me postulate my own pseudo intellectual opinions
>>318274910
Guess so.I'm maining Minutemen too at this point.Clearly my favorites.But it just sucks that they barely have a role in the main story.They don't give two shits about the Institute until they attack you.Demonstrated by the lack of Minutemen at the Battle For Bunker Hill.They could'be been there to protect the settlers and caravans or some shit.But come on! Yeah,you're General and can call artillery strikes that never work because "out of range" and call upon the Minutekeks with the flare gun that never works because you literally have to be a couple of footsteps away from a settlement for it to work.For a General,I don't seem to have an army,nor do I seem to lead them in any way aside from being their personal construction worker.
>>318275251
>asspained furfag with no arguments
>>318275195
He "feels" that way because he was programmed that way. Why is this so difficult for you keks?
>>318271582
>fast travel away. Rest for 4 ingame days. fast travel back. Works 90% of the time.
Not working, anon.
>>318275404
They were very obviously designed to be the fail safe for when people fucked themselves out of the three actual factions but they end up being the only likable faction in the game. Mostly because they are YOUR faction.
I feel like the farming quests in the brotherhood alienated a lot of people simply because of the [THIS IS NOW A BROTHERHOOD TERRITORY] thing.
Anyway, MM still get to do all the major stuff. When you get a plot mcguffin, you just turn it into Sturges instead of your respective factional tech guys.
>>318263025
Why do they create highly sophisticated AI for the sole purpose of sweeping floors and then get surprised when they want to get out?
>>318274425
I agree with what he's saying. Essentially, incapability doesn't exist. A child who doesn't know better might make a game of something dangerous and kill themselves, not our of mental illness but from ignorance. Their survival drive wouldnt even factor into it. It would never kick in magically to stop them. If anything, like putting hands on a hot stove, it's a learned instinct not to do things that could kill you.
>>318275719
try opening the console, clicking her and typing "resurrect 1"
>>318275764
>they end up being the only likable faction in the game
I don't know, being the leader of a faction of people who don't actually do anything themselves and make you do all the work gets a little boring.
>>318275791
Synths are recon units meant to keep tabs on the surface. That's why they need to be able to pass for a human. They are also meant to be completely subservient like the Coursers are. Those who flee are literally malfunctioning.
>>318272965
Someone said anon's shut down code word :(
>>318275810
It does nothing, sorry anon. Jesus christ, this drives me mad.
>>318275764
I have done that so far.Gonna invest some time to build up every settlement for now.Goddamn I want that fucking Bicorn so much.I already did the quest,siding with Ironsides.Is there any way to reach them on top of that skyscraper and take the Bicorn or is it lost forever?
>>318275913
So you hate them because they have quests to do?
>>318275914
Sounds to me like shit design if that many are malfunctioning.
>>318274486
Hitler did a good job at reprogramming an entire Nation with a few sentences, too.
>>318276038
He gives it to you when you go over to the new building
>>318275705
Because his programming is no different from your neuropeptides.
They fulfill the same fucking function.
Unless you think joy, sorrow, love, etc. are some abstract intangible magic happening in your soul cavity.
>>318276052
No, I hate them because their quests are boring as hell and you never actually feel like you're in charge of anything and you stay as an errand boy despite your rank. This applies yo every faction in every Bethesda game ever, though.
>>318273171
The human brain doesn't work like that. It can decentralize and remap functions no matter the damage. There are people who have half their brain matter missing and still manage to have motor skills, albeit impaired. Therapy is the best it's ever been, too.
The important thing to remember about adaptation is that it finds pathways to success. The human brain is made for maximum survival and perpetuation. Of one part stops working, the others pick up the deficit.
>>318276113
Not sure if trolling or if genuinely believe hitler was responsible for the national animosity towards gypsies.
>>318275656
>pretentious hypocrite in denial
>>318276089
The whole synth program is very much work in progress, even at the Gen 3 stage.
And even still the amount of Institute controlled synths vastly outnumbers that of rogue, malfunctioning synths.
>>318276141
Jolly good then.Cheers anon. Long live the Minutemen! By the way,any mods to add the minuteman pain to other power armor models or do we have to live with the T45 ?
>>318276234
It's just a shitty analogy I made without much thinking to give you a general idea.
You can literally reprogram humans with psychological conditioning and trigger it with a single word Give it some time and we will be able to do it on a much higher level, too.
>>318274021
> gen 3 synths
> biological
Nigga, by definition gen 3 aren't synthetic, they're organic by nature.
>>318276151
No, abstracts are a thing happening in your mind which isn't a physical or material thing but a mental process that can't be simplified to pure chemistry and physics. Cognition and consciousness isn't as well understood as you're making it out to be. You're being intellectually dishonest especially when pure computer science and AI design aren't well understood either.
>>318276447
They are synthetic in the way that they are artificially created. There's no gestation, birth or natural growth, they are just built.
>>318276437
So these are the mental gymnastics railkeks do to convince themselves synths are human. Intriguing.
>>318275914
They can program them to follow human behaviour to blend in, but can't program them to, you know, not be disloyal at all? I mean, malfunctioning sure, but how many will malfunction in the same manner? So tired of this cliche.
>>318276686
>implying
For all you know you could be a synth, or all human on the planet except for you could be synths.
>>318276809
>How many will malfunction in the same manner?
You'd be surprised how consistent the anomalies that just one errant line of code produces are.
MAXSON MAY SEEM COMPASIONATE BUT THE INSTITUTE WILL FACE HIS WRATH.
so do any gen 3 synths have the chance of turning crazy and killing everyone?
>>318277258
If Railfags are to be believed, they have the same potential of turning into mass murderers as any other person.
>>318277258
Yes.
E.g Gabriel. A Gen 3 turned raider leader.
>>318277258
They snap in a different way. Your average human probably cracks from extreme pressure, watching loved ones die, etc.
But a synth? All it takes is someone saying "Code xj 45 execute" somewhere in ear shot of that Synth and he'll murder every living thing for miles.
>>318277551
Execute order 66
>>318268770
Matter can be turned into energy though.
>>318277551
In other words, they need to be triggered.
>>318277618
It will be done my Lord
>>318277672
Feminists = Synths CONFIRMED
>>318277551
Now would this affect Curie since the synth was braindead and she merely took over her body
>>318273993
They were originally developed by Big MT. Bethesda literally stole the teleportation thing off of Old World Blues.
>>318275189
Fallout 3 had pre-pre war ghouls as well though, not that it makes it any less retarded. Weren't the chinese ghouls in old world blues the first ones they tested it on?
>>318276589
If they are made from organic matter, they're organic.
While you are not completely incorrect, it is wrong to assume that just because they didn't give birth they aren't organic.
> Anorganiccompound is any member of a large class of gaseous, liquid, or solid chemical compounds whose molecules contain carbon.
>>318274521
>can you turn yourself into a synth
yes. 10 end, 10str, 10 agi. iron fist. rooted, toughness rifleman (for shotguns)
>>318277926
It's synthetically created organic matter.
Check mate atheists.Also they still have synth components drop off their corpse so there is some time piece of mechanical somewhere in there
>>318275764
>fags still dont know who sturges is.
>>318263025
>There are people on this board who unironically sympathize with toasters
>>318278165
Doesn't matter who he is so long as he serves my cause. Saw his terminal in that Merc camp down south but really? Who actually reads that shit
>>318277926
>>318277926
>Carbon based compounds are the only forms of organic compounds
You're literally triggering me right now. Theoretically, any compound is organic. That is how we must treat it from now on. Carbon must no longer be privileged as special. Only bigoted backwards fools believe that. It's 2287, I mean come on.
>>318272416
So a fucking malfunction. God damn we have some 10/10 genius operating in this thread.
Synths are basically cylons. Bethesda couldn't even hide that they were ripping off Battlestar Galactica
>>318271181
It is kinda funny because in game there was a synth woman that tried to kill herself by drowning, but her programming literally wouldn't let her do it. Her body when on autopilot and crawled out of the water.
>>318278356
7/10 almost got me
>>318274221
By in charge they mean they just sit around while you do all the work
>>318269659
>>318270017
>>318271181
Are you retards seriously thinking it was predetermined that we fucking shitpost on 4chan?
Holy shit.
It's pretty funny how triggered people are by the railroad. They seem to think that the only way to fight SJWs is to become the exact same thing as them except on the opposite side of the spectrum. LOL I HATE FAGGOTS AND ROBOTS LOOK HOW EDGY I AM, SLAVERY IS KEWL GUYS LOOK HOW NON-SJW I AM
Good job you're just as bad as feminists
Anyway the railroad is the only good faction in the game, they're freeing slaves that are used as tools
I bet you anything with millenial babies play the FF7 remake for the first time they'll complain about the SJW agenda of climate change or something, since you basically play as an eco-terrorist trying to save the planet. "DAMN HIPPIE SJWS RUINING EVERYTHING, FUCK THE PLANET I'M COOL YO. SHINRA DID NOTHING WRONG"
>>318278842
Yes.
We wouldn't if we would be born smarter.
>>318278842
Shitposting gives that sweet dopamine fix.
>>318279019
>if you don't identify Synths as humans, it means you're an edgy raider slavery who hates all synths.
Typical railkek
>>318277737
Probably whatever codes controlled the synth body she took over would work
>>318278165
Synths aren't the problem.
How the Institute are using Synths is the problem.
It does not matter WHO destroys the Institute.
It matters THAT the Institute gets destroyed.
>>318279019
I sided with the Institute and during the Bunker Hill mission you get to ask some escaped Synths why they didn't want to be there anymore.
None of them gives a definite reason, they all go "I was tired of that place" "I wanted to decide for myself" etc. which is well and good but if 200 years worth of people have had no problem living in the Institute why do a few Synths suddenly decide it's not good enough for them?
Because they make them mop the floors?
Boo fucking hoo
>>318278356
Tell that to science, Railtle SynthJW
>>318278124
Still organic matter.
And if having Metal parts in your body makes you a synth I guess every augmented fag in Dude Sex is a synth.
>>318279019
Synths are machines, tools. The people wielding them do not have the interest of the people on the surface at heart.
The railroad wants to take synths and make them "self-reliant and free." What they are doing is the equivalent of removing the guards and handles off of tools and letting them run wild.
It would be like turning chainsaws on and leaving them on the ground, free to make their own choices and decisions.
>>318271808
Liberty Prime is the shittiest character from 3/4 anyways. Hurr durr hate communists, America fuck yeah giant robot. It's just a excuse for tedious on rails action missions, worse than operation Anchorage
>>318271063
>implying the BoS aren't the villians of the game
>implying your son who released you hoping to avenge your wife's death would try and intimidate the man who is alive simply because he wanted a relationship with him
Holy fuck you're dense.
>>318279567
>Liberty Prime is the shittiest character from 3/4 anyways
You just define your whole self by being counter culture, don't you?
>>318276452
They are called abstract because you are not smart enough to dissect a brain and input other shit.
>>318279567
Liberty Prime is just a giant fighting robot.
A tool/
Not a character.
>>318279742
>>implying the BoS aren't the villians of the game
>implying Todd's special snowflake BoS chapter and their meme-spewing robot are seriously supposed to be the villains
>>318263025
SYNTHS MUST BE DESTROYED
>>318279567
THE ENTIRE PREWAR AMERICA IS BASICALLY ANTI COMMIE.READ THE LORE YOU RETARDED PRICK.
>>318280591
I just realised how close to Space Marines the BoS really are.Holy shit.Time to purge me some heretics.
