SMT IV
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just picked this game up for the first time, two hours in and I'm still in naraku (doing the first three challenge quests). I've just been fucking around, this game is a lot of fun. What do you guys rate it? Also if you have any tips I would appreciate it.
>Pls no spoilers
Leave now, there will be a spoiler within about 1-2 posts.
Adachi is the killer
>>318258770
have you already beheld the demons who are a bit different?
It's fun but the difficulty drops off too soon and I miss actual dungeon design.
Leave the thread immediately, spoilers are inbound.
>>318258770
>any tips
For your first playthrough you should follow the white (you'll know what that means later) and then do whatever other ending you want next, because a bunch of quests only appear on NG+
Do lots and lots of demon fusion, at least until ~level 70
If not, get those stat booster apps asap, they're pretty rad
>>318259281
This. You better recognized OP.
>>318260187
>>318259281
What is this.
>>318258770
I'd rate it an 8/10.
My only advice is to always side with Walter, unless you're a little bitch.
>>318260185
alright
>>318260429
Walter seems like a beast, so that's no problem
>>318260518
Than you're gonna go far, my man.
You've already made the best choice.
Always pick the 1st option
>>318260801
really?
>>318261042
No.
>>318261102
Oh.
>>318261042
Yes.
>>318261042
Maybe.
>>318260456
You're a fucking pussy if you actually do that. It's basically killing Ryouji on Persona 3 or throwing Namatame on the TV. Essentially an early NG+ if you're too scared of the endgame.
>>318261268
so don't follow white because I basically skip the endgame? good to know
>>318258770
The game that made me buy a 3DS.
>>318260429
I second this advice.
Just play the game. Fuse and don't bother with STR.
>>318258770
Don't put any points into STR, DEX and MAG are both good but a magic build (+3 MAG, +1 AGL, +1 LCK per level) is generally better.
>>318258853
>>318259598
What is there to spoil in this game? Tokyo appears in the trailer and it happens like 10% into the game.
>>318258770
9/10 game, hyped as fuck for the sequel
>>318263819
>but a magic build (+3 MAG, +1 AGL, +1 LCK per level) is generally better.
Magic build is shittier as the game goes on. Also LCK is absolutely worthless if you're going with a MA build. +4 MAG and +1 AGL is better for pure raw damage.
>>318264379
LCK affects demon negotiations, no? I agree that +4 MAG/+1 AGL is better, but even +3 MAG per level is overkill for most of the game.
>>318264660
LCK doesn't affect negotiations. Went with +4 MA and +1 AG and never put any point into LU and never had any problems with scouting demons.
Only the older SMTs like SMT I and SH and the like actually use stats to influence negotiations.
>>318258770
I played it for the first time this year - one of the best games I've ever played.
Everything just clicked with me. Loved the demon variety and artwork.
First game I completed in ages at the time. Actually rekindled my passion for games and I've completed loads since.
Can't wait for IV Final.
>>318258770
Prepare for constant poisonings
I'm doing my neutral route playtrhough because I sided with walter when the game released. Lucifer palace's caught me by surprise. Digging the original Demonica. Also both dex and st are useless why would you not use magic all the time?
>>318265653
DEX is better endgame than magic is.
>>318265764
how so? its much more limited in terms of weaknesses, is it a significant margin or something negligable like 100 hp
JUST REMEMBER OP
WHITE IS RIGHT
>>318265926
White is right?
>>318265653
>That build
Nigga, what are you doing?
Also, Ma is really good at the beginning but gets gradually worse as the game goes on.
Dx build is a lot better by mid point in the gameblasted tokyoand gets better and better.
>>318265910
You can crit with physical attacks, but not with magic. Most endgame demons don't have weaknesses to exploit. Also Desperate Hit and Occult Flash.
>>318266043
WHITE IS RIGHT
>>318265653
OP here, you can get Strange Journey shit in IV? Thats boss, I loved that game.
>>318266180
WHITE.
>>318266197
Yeah, you get the Black Demonica automatically as the story progresses, and you can eventually buy the original Demonica from a shop.
>>318266047
>>318266093
oh well its not like the game is hard enough for me to change my mind now. I assume that multiple hitting guns are better for than then right?
>>318266327
Shit son.
>>318266370
>I assume that multiple hitting guns are better
Why would you even use guns? Skills + MP recovery App and you break the game in half.
>>318266539
right i forgot that dex affects physical skills
I'll show you my_hoy_
Are they fixing the smirk system on final, half the times i've died is completely based on luck and is determined whether the demon smirks or not
Its a pretty good game, not great but still fairly enjoyable. Only thing that was an issue is that without a defense stat of any sort(barring health), most random encounters became a race to decimate the other side before you get fucked.
As for tips, its damn near difficult to get the neutral ending(Around -8 to +8 alignment at the ending lock) unless you have a guide on which conversations affect your alignment(hopefully find one thats somewhat spoiler free). This is only made worse by a decision LITERALLY made just before the ending lock that swings your alignment something like 10 points in either direction, none of that inbetween crap. So yeah while neutral is my favorite route in the game, you will have to jump through quite a few hoops before and after getting locked into it to complete it.
>>318266652
Exactly. You don't need to use guns or swords outside of the first parts.
>>318266697__Hoy__
>>318266727
Thats steep, because from what ive heard neutral is the best ending.
>>318266718
It's being changed, we know that much.
>>318266797
does ag affect accuracy at least, on my first playthrough last year i avoided physical skills like a plague because of how much my character missed
>>318266873
Yeah, Ag greatly influences Hit rate and avoid rate. Lu also affects Hit/avoid rate but to a smaller degree.
Lu also increases hit/avoid rate of ailments and Hama/Mudo, by the way, while Ag doesn't.
>>318266806
Neutral is a great ending, the longest of the endings, fairly satisfying and even gives some side characters some screentime/background. Unfortunately pic related (spoiler I guess?). Honestly though you get a lot of chances to turn your alignment around so its not too hard to get back on the path. Its more keeping track of your alignment's exact number that gets annoying as you may think that being somewhere in the ballpark is fine but goddamn 1 or 2 points can really screw you out of the ending. Case in point my first run I miscounted my points and the mandatory big decision would only place me on the non-neutral routes, luckily I had a save before a different decision point but still had to do an entire dungeon(+Level grinding/fusion) again.
>>318267653
My gripe with the neutral ending is thatthere was no boss. In my opinion,all those DLC fights should've been a part of the main game, and the neutral ending should've culminated in the Masakado fight(because reasons, I dunno). Hell, Masakado's battle theme is even a part of the base OST, so he must've been in at some point.As it stands, I bought only the For the past, for the future DLC and then found out I can't even beat it without skills from previous DLCs.
>>318267919
>the neutral ending should've culminated in the Masakado fight(because reasons, I dunno).
But that wouldmake the neutral ending canon, and who wants canon endings?
Great game. Navigating through the map was a bit confusing though and the smirk system was kinda shitty.
This is the best song, by the way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEtRzDYYBuY
>>318268104
>make the neutral ending canon
Nigga, SMT I's canon ending is Neutral, as SMT II directly states it.
>>318268251
>Ikebukuro Underground
Excellent taste, my friend.Although all tracks are 10/10 material
>>318268289
Isn't Neutral canon for SJ too?
>>318268289
What does this have to do with not wanting IV to have a canon route?
>>318268418
Yeah, it is.
>>318268421
Because all Neutral routes are canon, anon. Even IV-Final is going Neutral only.
>>318268418
SJ has no canon ending. I,and now IV thanks to FINAL, are the only ones with one.
>>318268524
>SJ has no canon ending
SMT IV implies that SJ's neutral ending is canon with all those shenanigans about the Demonica. Also Mem Aleph doesn't rule the land and Zenelin is brainwashing the world populace.
>>318267919
>Masakados boss fight
Only place I could think of putting it would be afterthe two "what-if the other pivotal dude had leaned chaos/law instead" scenarios, maybe only if you sided neutral. As for the other DLC fights yeah some of them definitely felt like they should have been in the base game, though I guess a few of them wouldn't make much sense likefighting the four archangels
>>318268524
There's Demonicas in IV and the world wasn't a WURLD OF STR or a 24/7 YHVH circlejerk on pillars before the events of IV, so it's safe to assume Neutral is canon.
>>318258770
Goes down hill really quick once the game opens up.
>>318268857
Honestly, I just got the game, burned out right after Medusa.
I want to like the game but after getting both Karns on most my active party I got burned out too.
My bigger problem is that the game needs a fucking browseable map system, this is legitimately my biggest complaint. Outside of that I think it's a killer JRPG for the 3DS where some people's milage may sadly vary
>>318268957
Though, honestly, I don't think it's really for me.
Not my kind of RPG sadly.
>>318268251
I never bothered with many sidequests since that has me manually figuring out where the temple of fuck is near district chingchong on the map.
>>318264660
Also, doesn't luck, at least to some extent, affect the success rate of trap-type spells? (Hama and Mudo)
>>318258770I am a cat
>>318266093
That's sounds niceMegidolaon
>>318269986
>Implying Megidolaon compares to Occult Flash or Desperate Hit
You'll never get any Smirk with Almighty damage by the way.
>playing endgame chaos route
>fighting Mother Harlot
>boss casts Mamudoon
>kills the demons I had summoned
>"Oh fucking hell"
>waste a few turns reviving and resummoning them
>boss casts Mamudoon again
>kills them all again
The White were right.
>>318271606
>End game
>Not having a team of demons that null light and dark
Shit son
>>318271606
You need Tetraja in your life.
so are the demonicas just a homage or does smt 4 take place in the same world as sj
>>318272865
It takes place in the same world as SJ.
>>318273074
what evidence is there to that? just wondering I feel like it was just parallels unless they straight out spelled it out and i overlooked it
>>318272865
The former. IV basically happens years or maybe centuries after SJ. There's also Mem Aleph's statue in the Ring of Gaea's HQ to further prove that.
>>318273231
>The former
I'm a retard. I meant the latter.
so final takes place after the neutral lock right? how is that going to work? is flynn just going to kill lucifer and the porsche or are we doing that too
>>318274037
The latter. Law and Chaos team up to fight the Polytheistic alliance
>>318274127
>Law and Chaos team up to fight the Polytheistic alliance
what i cant see yhvh and lucifer cooperating, and does that mean that everything post the neutral lock is irrelevant?
>>318274290
Pretty much. Once Flynn gets out of the Expanse and reunites with Isaebu its all up in the air.
>>318274290
Flynn has Masakado's katana, so.
>>318274562
>>318274498
this all just sounds weird, i thought the game was just going to be right after neutral when the ceiling was destroyed.
>>318269301
>the game needs a fucking browseable map system
This. My game time was so inflated simply from me walking around aimlessly, not sure where anything fucking is. The world map is a pointless maze.
>>318274834
The ceiling is still there.
Apparently the Polytheistic Alliance appears before the final battle of the war, and try to recruit Flynn, who's hailed as a hero who has killed both angels and demon.
Isabeau wants the protags help to save Flynn from the polytheists.
Navarre died in a pathetic way and is a green blob ghost that possesses the MC.
Jonathan has been absorbed into Merky, while Walter has been revived as Lucifer and is still himself, that, or he's just Lucy's arm that fell off and Lucy is looking for it.
>>318275191
walter didn't lose his appearance when he joined lucifer. When you fight him in neutral he transforms in front of you. This feels like a game that should have existed if smt 4 ended on a cliffhanger where flynn was about to go slap everyone's shit, I wonder why they decided to make it story wise, i'm sure there could have been stuff they could use after the ceiling fell
>Finally get all the fiends
>Weird glitches start happening all of a sudden in my next playthrough
Am I cursed now?
>>318275126
You need to speak with the little green guys on the map
>>318275615
What kind of glitches?
>>318276910
I fell through the floor twice. Once in Naraku and then later on the world map. There was also a time where a demon asked to change one skill into the same skill but it was really just javelin rain. The last one is probably just a weird translation error though.
