What did he mean by this
its pretty obvious, why are you confused?
>>318254628
think about it
>>318254628
How is Maleficent in the gray area?
>>318254628
how the fuck is Maleficent "gray area"?that shitty angelina jolie movie isn't canon right
I really hate how they simply HAVE to use characters from currently popular shit in these games
>Lone Ranger
>Maleficent
BLEH
where the fuck is Goofy?
>>318255205
>>318255149
of course it is
>>318255205
>>318255149
look at her skin dummies, its not Green Maleficent
>>318255149
>>318255205
Probably the live action movie
>>318255213
>lone ranger
>currently popular
Nope
They're just trying to push him more.
>>318254628
>Dat Angelina man jaw
Disgusting
>>318255276
>>318255275
>>318255242
How's purple guy in the gray area. He was clearly a villain, not an evil mastermind or main villain sure but he was still relatively a bad guy doing bad things.
Almost none of those characters are gray. Live action Maleficent and Ralph are straight up good (and I'm sick of that damn live action movie- it turned my favorite Disney villain into a SJW). Randall is straight up villainous (seriously? He tried to banish Mike and Sully to the damn Himalayas and traumatize Mike with that machine). Only Barbossa is somewhat gray, except he's also more heroic due to the later movies.
>>318255242
>>318255275
>>318255276
That makes sense. So what about the Monsters Inc. guy? I forgot his name.
>>318255383
I still can't believe they tried to humanize one of the best Disney villains, she doesn't even turn into a dragon in the new movie, also, everything bad that happens in the movie is because the guy she loved try to help her out by telling everyone she was dead, and she has a fucking hissy fit about it and curses his daughter
>>318255205
>shitty
the only shtty thing around here is your taste
>>318255585
Randall was a literal child abductor who wanted to harvest children for energy.
I don't think there's a gray area.
>>318255585
He's a straight up villain who was willing to kill a child for laughs
>>318255524
Randall was doing what was within his power to save the monster world from a total energy crisis. Nobody fucking knew about laughter until boo was a thing
>>318255680
>>318255686
He was just trying to fit in! I relate to Randall a lot nowadays, doing things he doesn't want to do just to find his place in the world.
>>318254628
Even if it's Jolieficent and not actually Maleficent, fucking Randall's there. How exactly is there anything "gray" about getting off on scaring little kids half to death, then building a machine to suck the life out of them and attempting to kill anyone who gets in the way?
>>318255725
By being a total dick and then refusing to listen to Mike and Sully because he was jealous. He and Waternoose were clear villains and Disney just has no gray characters so they have to bullshit.
>>318255752
He had a henchman.
Good guys don't have henchmen.
>>318254628
I hate that Maleficent was based on Angelina Jolie from that awful live action movie
Not only does she looks stupid but she should be the most evil of them all, not this misunderstood hero bullshit
>>318255524
I haven't seen the live action movie but it's obvious that Maleficiant and Raplh are there because they literally have "the bad guy" as their carrer. Hence grey are because they act as heroes in the plot but still.
>>318255850
>"Now you must deal with ME, my prince. And all the powers of HELL!"
>b-b-but she dindu nuffin
>>318255609
him cutting off her wings is supposed to be a rape allegory, no, seriously
>>318255839
So he is not a good guy? Well, yeah, both OP and I said that. It's just he isn't transparently evil.
>>318255839
A bad guy's henchman is literally the same as a good guy's sidekick.
>>318255887
That's fucking bullshit and even worse. They're advertised bad guys but actually good and Disney puts them in the third wrong category when they could reasonably fit in good or evil. Only Barbossa belongs in the gray category. Jack Sparrow should be there too, but nah, he's a hero of course!
>>318255686
He found a cheaper energy that was superior to screams all while ridding the world of "Dangerous" children, assuming the machine kills which was never confirmed, that test is probably what the kid in the movie was for.
That shit would have changed the world and done wonders for the economy and quality of life in the world of monsters.
>>318255938
It's really stupid, cutting her wings off made him more sympathetic because he figured out how to become and protect her at the same time, and Maleficent wasn't the least bit grateful, I'd understand that she'd be fucking pisses, but she should have realized it was for the best when the forest stopped getting attacked
>>318254628
>playing kingdom hearts
Faggot.
>>318256130
No matter how you look at it, he was a fucker for cutting her wings.
Then again Maleficent should be fucking MALEFIC, they didn't need this SJW nonsense and "well I guess she still has a good heart
>>318256283
That's another problem, they try to make you hate the guy, but they kind of just make you feel sorry for him, he's really the only likeable character in the movie
>>318256485
I cringed when that prince was like 'but do I have the princess's CONSENT'. Jesus, be more obvious you were paid off by SJWs. I read some dumbass blogpost that was like 'as a feminist, I LOVED THAT line.'
SHE'S ASLEEP AND WON'T WAKE UP WITHOUT IT.
>>318256021
>transparent
I get it
>>318256592
>have the urgency of waking her up from that deadly slumber.
>I STILL NEED CONSENT
>>318256130
Well he kinda became king for that and keked her, and let's not pretend he didn't wanted to be king, it was clearly his biggest dream. And it's not like she was in real danger, whole armies couldn't make it so I doubt anyone could get to her. And besides, wings are cool as fuck and I would be pissed to if my gf just cut them off.
What I'm more pissed about is the "one true love kiss" bullshit homo-erotic strong indepentdent womyn propaganda.
>>318254628
HE IS FACTUALLY FUCKING WRONG
DAVEY JONES AND VENOM ARE THE FIRST TWO BOSS FIGHTS IN TOYBOX TAKEOVER, YOU HAVE PLENTY OF ACTUAL VILLAINS ON YOUR SIDE YOU GINGER FUCK
>>318256485
Not really, he was a dick just like everyone else except for Aurora, Maleficent and her fuccboi the crow
It pissed me off that they even made the three faries look like bitches who didn't give a fuck about Aurora and saw her more as a nuisance and a responsibility that they didn't want rather than actually caring and loving her
They were trying really hard to make Maleficent seem good and that only made me dislike her even more
>>318254628
>Syndrome isn't his favorite villain
He's always been my favorite.second movie when
>>318254628
even so syndrome is almost gray-ish b/c all he wanted was to be a super but got rejected by his all time hero only to then create technologies where everyone and anyone can be a super.
>>318256915
He killed superheroes for no reason.
>>318256839
Villains who have a broken view of 'equality' are always great, especially when they have personality
>>318256737
I think they saw Frozen and thought the whole lesbian sister thing was what made it sell so well
>>318256915
Having motivation beyond "I'm evil ha ha ha" doesn't make you gray area.
>>318254628
Why is Elsa in the hero group? Didn't she become a cold-hearted Ice Queen and put the land under perpetual winter?
>>318257064
God damn i loved armstrong.
>>318256960
we'll call it 'retiring' in case they did decide to come back and fuck shit up for him.
>>318254628
even ralph is like "dude why are these people here?"
>>318257127
It was just a prank, bro.
>>318256737
>And it's not like she was in real danger, whole armies couldn't make it
that's another thing that bothered me, they made it a point to say that she was weak to Iron, yet she was flying through a bunch of Iron clad knights like it was nothing
>>318257127
It was an accident, or some stupid shit like that.
>>318256915
>He planned to destroy a city without caring for any potential casualties only to trick people into believing that he is a hero and they give him money as a way to give a giant middle finger to all superheroes
>killed dozens of superheroes to gather data on how to make his death machine even deadlier
>He challenged Mr Incredible to see if he had the guts to kill his assistant
>Attempted to kidnap the Parr youngest child to make him into a criminal
Grey area my ass, that is full blown evil
>>318254628
How the fuck is Randall "gray area"
>>318254628
>Ralph is grey area villain
WAT
>>318257392
all for revenge
>>318256915
Yeah, Grey area.
I mean Syndrome never hurt anyone, he was a good boy.
>>318257475
Remember this is disney with its weird fucking morals. Just because ralph WANTS to be a good person and isnt an asshole hes still bad because he literally cannot stop breaking things
>>318257431
>>318257475
Probably has to do with his less antagonistic role in Monster University.
>>318256839
2019, allegedly
>>318256915
Syndrome was a little shit
>>318257594
I'm talking about wreck it ralph fool, not randall
>>318257121
This is something all of you and /v/ need to understand.
Is doing evil for the greater good evil or good?
What was the guy in the overalls name again?
>>318257697
You can't do evil for the greater good.
>>318257674
Ralph is the villain in his video game.
>>318257539
He didn't do it, the robot did.;^)
>>318257723
fuck it francis
>>318257730
What. Yes you can, the whole killing some people to save more thing comes directly from that mentality.
>>318257857
No, because evil is doing bad things to other people for selfish reasons. If you did it for a greater good it ceases to be evil.
>>318257730
Sure you can.
>>318257517
You do understand that being told "I'm not taking a kid with me to fight crime" is not enough reason to practically attempt genocide, right?
Hell, Mr Incredible even saved his life.
>>318257730
The end justifies the means, anon
>>318256827
Venom is definitely grey area. Davy Jones is a sympathetic villain so he might fall under that as well.
>>318257897
Wait, so killing a bunch of innocent people against their will to save a bigger bunch of people is not evil because it's not selfish?
What if you were part of the bigger bunch of people? In a way it's selfish because it's self preservation but at the same time it's the needs of the many over the needs of the few.
>>318254628
Why the fuck is Ralph in the grey area? He was never a villain.
Even counting his own game, he was just the antagonist. Being the antagonist of a work doesn't make that person evil. And the movie itself (in which he was the protagonist) portrayed him as a good person and a hero.
And yet they've put him in a group with Barbossa and fucking Randall?
>>318255609
>>318255524
you fuckers, it isn't some sjw allegory it's a satan allegory.
read paradise lost, the new maleficent movie is a 1:1 mid-fantasy retelling.
>>318257968
Eddie in the comics was a sociopathic dick. He literally broke into Mary Jane's apartment to...'scare' her (leaving you to wonder if they were going to have her raped before changing it.)
Davy Jones is understandable. He's not gray. Sympathetic villain=/= gray.
>>318256960
supers are evil though. He was on the right.
>>318254628
What game is this?
>>318258123
That's a new level of edgy.
>>318257997
>What if you were part of the bigger bunch of people?
It would only be selfish if you were killing the innocents specifically to save yourself, with the others around you being a "bonus" so to speak. If your goal was just to save the larger group of people, the fact that you happen to be in them doesn't take away from that.
>>318256039
You guys should stop with the "guys who did nothing wrong" meme.
>>318258173
From my point of view all supers are evil
Randall is based off University, before he attempted to rape lolis.
Maleficent is based off the live action movie.
>>318258323
>That picture
I cannot wait for that playset.
>>318257783
But that's right, eventually the robot even turned on him.
>>318257539
The incredibles where an amazing movie, its just sad hiw Disney threats it with such little regards.
>>318255585
Maleficent was cast as a more likeable character in the live action movie.
Smash it sam for obvious reasons
Randall was a gay nerd in the prequel
Barbarossa became a reluctant good guy I think
>>318258093
Well, he did smash his neighbors' houses. Not really evil per se, but it's not really something a hero would do.
>>318258398
I just wish online multi-player was at launch, but they did confirm it was coming latet
>>318258093
perhaps Syndrome views Ralph as a gray zone character, thats the only way i can understand him being on that spot its through Syndrome's perspective.
>>318258482
He only did it because that was his job, and if he didn't do it, the game would be unplugged and everyone would be homeless. Not to mention the smashing doesn't even matter because Felix can fix it all instantly.
>>318258482
They were basically actors in their video games. None of what happens there actually matters.
>>318258671
Which is why I didn't say he was necessarily doing something evil, but other people didn't really like his actions. He's viewed in his own world, or at least was seen as the 'bad guy' even if he wasn't a 'bad' guy.
>>318258125
Please respond
>>318258482
It's his job that he was made to do.
Fucking zangief says it right there. "You're bad guy, but you're not a bad guy"
>>318258878
>>318258125
Disney Infinity
>>318257897
>>318257857
It's just the opposite: you can do something evil FOR the greater good, but it's still evil.
>>318258813
>not really something a hero would do
Living his life doing something he hates and being shunned by the community for it, all for the greater good so that everyone else can have a good life, kind of sounds exactly like something a hero would do.
How are we sure it's the same Ralph?
Everyone is trying their hardest to read into this far more than they need to.
>>318259194
You're saying it's meta-Ralph, from the actual video game inside the movie?
>>318255149
The new live action movie.
>>318259060
But how would he be considered a hero when the people around him think he's a monster, or at least not someone that they want to associate with?
>>318259029
Is it still evil if the intention is unselfish? Furthermore, how do we prove that the motive is completely selfless? Are there absolute evils in the universe? How do we determine them?Who thought that we would have this kind of discussion about some children's game?
>>318259329
Oh gee my mistake, here I though being a hero was about your actions, not what society thinks of you.
>>318259420
But who's the judge in naming a hero? Can't those who society has deemed monsters and villains be called heroes by outsiders?
>>318259329
Ultimately, objective evil is not a thing. Whether or not an action "is evil" depends entirely on who is judging it. Now there are a number of things for which peoples' opinions of its evilness generally coincide, for example eating babies is something that most people would consider evil, but asking very grey questions about what is evil and what is not will always end in disagreement, because ultimately whether or not something is evil is based on who you ask.
>>318254628
Are you telling me they made the purple lizard from Monsters Inc a good guy in the second movie?
What the fuck 2bh
>>318259296
What if it's another Ralph from another arcade?
>>318257064
There was nothing broken about Syndrome's view of equality though.
He went about it in entirely the wrong way, but he was still right.
>>318259538
>But who's the judge in naming a hero?
The audience.
We're talking about works of fiction, remember.
Ralph is a hero because the audience knows that he does what he does for the greater good.
Just like the audience knows that Batman's a good guy even if the police don't always.
Just like the audience knows Lex Luthor is a villain even if he's beloved by Metropolis due to him keeping his villainy secret.
And so on and so forth.
In a work of fiction, hero and villain status of a character is ultimately determined by the audience, not the other characters in the story.
>>318259296
He's saying it's Ralph from a different arcade unit.
Or, he's saying it's Ralph based on the movie character, who is Ralph based on the game character, or something.
>>318259669
What was he right about?
Ralph would be as "gray area" as Elsa.
The Incredibles was really great. I hope the sequel doesn't fuck things up.
>>318259707
I dunno I kind of felt bad for syndrome.
>>318259618
He's really just more of an awkward young adult trying to fit in with the popular crowd. Mike's roommate is Randall, the purple lizard dude, and he starts off just being an alright nerd, but he ends up distancing himself from Mike and stuff happens that further distances the two. It was a surprisingly okay movie, too.
>>318259718
A game within the game based on the movie?
>>318259649
In Disney Infinity, all the characters are the same versions of themselves from their respective movies, right?
So why would that Ralph not be the same Ralph from the Wreck-It Ralph movie?
>>318259728
The fact that Superheroes are just a genetic lottery and Supers get all this recognition whereas nobody cares about the average joe.
By making everyone super with tech, nobody will be revered for their abilities alone.
>>318259765
He had understandable motives, but he still killed innocent people so he could pretend to be a hero.
>>318259618
No, they made him a brown-noser who sold out his actual friends to be "cool".
>>318259816
>Superheroes are just a genetic lottery and Supers get all this recognition whereas nobody cares about the average joe
Why is any of this a problem?
>>318259765
A sympathetic villain is still a villain.
A villain with an ideology is still a villain.
A villain with real, sensible reasons for why he's the way he is, reasons which would cause anyone else to turn out the same way, is still a villain.
It's okay to sympathize with a villain, just like it's okay to hate a hero and think he's a jackass, but still recognize that his actions make him a hero. Often, sympathizing with a villain is a mark of good villain design.
>>318259816
You sound like a white guilter.
>He was killed by the Pamunkey Native Americans when he was going to trade with them in 1609.
SAVAGES
S A V A G E S
>>318259765
>>318259816
Syndrome might have had the a situation that the audience can sympathize with, but the methods he used to further his own ends were malicious and left him appearing as a villain. His problem was that he lacked a conscience and ended up killing others and causing wanton destruction just to further his own plans. Sure, Syndrome would have aided in starting a new human and scientific revolution, but it would be fueled by a lust for revenge instead of philanthropy.
Implying Maleficent wasn't a good guy.
Fuck off fairy shits
>google syndrome
>this is the first thing that pops up
holy fuck my sides
>>318255912
That line was Maleficent's power chord
fuckin' A
>>318259916
It's not necessarily a problem, but when you consider how he can make all of this stuff and is clearly very intelligent, but was cast aside by his idol as a child, you can see why he's got that viewpoint.
>>318260347
I can understand his motivation, but I don't sympathize with him in the slightest.
>>318260220
The fuck man why do you search up down syndrome images so much for?
>>318259764
It will most likely be a disappointment
The point of the Incredibles was a "what if" scenario for what would happen to retired superheroes that are forced to live normal lives, how the struggle to fit in and how that affects them their family
The fact that there is a sequel now that the ban for superheroes is gone means that the theme that made the first movie different and interesting is gone.
It's most likely just going to be an average superhero film
>>318260056
Fuck superheroes, all of them should check their super privilege
>>318257942
But anon, he's already a demon
>>318260742
Really though, the "superheroes as regular people" plot only lasted until the wife and kids went to the island, which I'm pretty sure was around the middle point of the movie. After that it was a standard superhero movie.
>>318254628
I don't know
>>318260913
It felt more like a spy movie with superheroes though.
>>318258323
University? You mean the movie where Randall is revealed to put his reputation above his friends and is still an ambitious prick?
Still not seeing the grey.
What an odd thread
Better than the stealth furry ones
>>318257942
>Hell, Mr Incredible even saved his life.
I hate that he never explained that clear enough to Buddy. Sure Buddy might not have been considerate that he would be dead if it wasn't for what Robert had done and continued on with his scheme but it would have been nice to fill up the misunderstanding.
>>318256039
>He found a cheaper energy that was superior to screams
But the five or so adult screams in Monsters University managed to not only fill over 100 canisters remotely, but it also powered up a door. Why in the world they focused on children when you just need to spook the hell out of an adult and then mess with their head until they scream from sheer terror? Adult screams seem like they're on the same level as kid's laughs.
>>318255680
Randal was trying to abduct a handful of children to avoid needing to scare the shit out of thousands of children a night.
He also did this to solve a terrible energy crisis facing the monster world.
>>318263550
Makes you wonder what kind of energy you could get from an adult's laughter.
>>318260742
Given that Brad Bird said he'd only do a sequel if he felt he had a "superior" idea for the theme of the second film and that's why it took so many years, you may well be wrong.
Also, the normal lives of superheros wasn't really the main theme of the Incredibles, at least not directly. The main theme was how in their youth supers (especially Bob) struggled with forced retirement and their midlife crises were basically longing for those glory days (Bob, Lucius, Gazerbeam).
>>318256837
Faeries are selfish little cunts irl.
>>318254628
its hitler duh
>>318264156
Considering how rarely I laugh nowadays, it would probably be like an EMP.
>>318261921
Thats just being a dick anon.
>>318254628
He means "evil" is making the world end "good" is making the world keep going
the "grey area" dudes didn't want to end the world, or to make it better, they just wanted their own shit regardless of what happened to anyone else. "ignorant"
>>318255149
she didn't WANT bad stuff to happen, she was just too ignorant to care that what she was doing CAUSED bad things to happen
>>318265193
Are you saying that Jack Sparrow didn't just want to do his own shit?
>>318257949
Felix Herngren, get outta here
>>318265193
But syndrom didn't want to end the world. He just wanted to be a superhero and then he wanted everyone to become one.
>>318259925
>Often, sympathizing with a villain is a mark of good villain design.
I don't think that's true in the slightest, this might be a thing for Disney movies, but in actual movies as far as I know you're never supposed to sympathize with the villian because he's a meany-head that moves the plot along, of course, I don't mean to not make him likeable, or interesting in the very least, but to the point where he's more interesting and relatable than the protagonist is just fucking wrong, ''he dindu nuffin'' mentality can go fuck itself.
>>318260742
I don't know, I have some hopes that it will be at the very least as good as the original, and that's a lot coming from someone that thinks that it shouldn't have a sequel because it's perfect as a stand-alone movie, literally impeccable filmmaking all over.
Coming from Inside Out and the promise that Brad Bird came up with an idea better than the original fills me with some hope, even if the whole Disney owning Pixar to the point of creatively mangling with their films is still going on.
>>318266989
Watch Wakfu.
>>318265454
Right on, that would be considered "ending the current state of the world" or "psychologically ending the world"
Just changing absolutely everything to be his will and testament. "trying to control everything"
>>318254628
Ralph wants to wreck Maleficent.
>>318256485
wat
He was clearly an asshole for deceiving her.
>>318256837
It's because it's not supposed to be a direct adaptation, it's some kind of fanfic AU bullshit.
I miss evil Maleficent, she was a bamf.
>>318258121
And then he was the protagonist of his own comic book.
>>318255642
and that movie
>>318267292
See it was cool in Wakfu until I realised they were trying to make ALL their villains sympathetic. There is a time when sympathetic villains become oversaturated and annoying.
>>318255149
>Metaphoric rape victim
The remake where the main villain is Briar Rose's Father
