How can anybody believe this game stands a fucking chance anymore?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21i-QzpkPoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9S-6xDbM9M
They aren't even reporting sub numbers anymore. There's no reason to believe it will ever recover. Much better alternatives exist now, even games like Dota 2 fill the gap Blizzard games used to fill.
Why they even bothered with this is beyond me.
Can this be the new >Warcraft Lore thread
...just gonna ignore the first post and make this a continuation of the previous wow thread.
>>318222185
Didn't know that about the forsaken version of the plauge affecting scourge up to and including arthas.
Why the hell didn't they start chucking canisters of it into scourge occupied territory then instead of trying to be snidely whiplash about it and backstab everyone... hell they could have been the heros of the fight instead of being massive asshats.
Then again I ask that question any time I do a space hulk campaign as to why we didn't just virus-bomb the giant metal turd that just got shit out of the warp before sending a team of marines in to find the missing cat unit stuffed up the arch-lictor's bum....
>>318223337
yes, yes it can.
>demon hunters are all mobility and literally nothing else
>monks 2.0, the class nobody plays
>>318223198
they reported sub numbers in their last quarter report, it was a drop of 100k from the last one.
there are no MMOs worth playing tho, thats the real problem
>shipping Maev and Illidan when Maev is a bulldyke
I dont know if it was just nostalgia. But was it me or was the DK starting area/quests much better then the DH one?
I watched somebody play though the DH aera and it really did not feel all that great.
>>318223198
TLDW?
>>318223782
Nah, there's still a lot of differences between monks and demon hunters, especially with the class/spec changes.
>>318224026
The entire philosophy behind pandaren is "it's perfectly okay to be lazy shits as long as you are happy. The industrial mogu were miserable and killed themselves!"
I would come crawling back if they had a viable f2p option. The 60k gold per month isn't it
>>318224097
So the Pandaren are Iberian?
>>318224097
>lazy shits
But pretty much all Pandaren work hard and keep themselves in shape. The Pandaren are the opposite of lazy, they just happen to eat.
>>318224026
Mogu are evil assholes who are full of themselves and demand everything be grand and shiny.
Pandaren are simple folk who prefer the life of less.
>>318224130
> Being poor
> In fucking WoD
>>318224234
>>318224261
chinks, chubby-chasers or neckbeards
the world may never know
Daily reminder Admiral Proudmoore & Garithos did nothing wrong.
Gas the Orcs, race war now
>>318224287
cmon bro
62k a month is too much
>there will never be a true server merge and removal of menu based grouping
>wow will never recover from turning into a single player game with irc
>>318223198
Reminder: All Draenor raids have been released and legion isn't out for another year. Prepare for the worst year in WoW history.
>>318224004
...dh?
>>318224804
unfortunately this is true...
>>318224560
this. Why are tokens so inflated on non NA. Shits so fucking dumb
>>318225017
prices are proportional to the average gold grinding autism of the playerbase
>>318224804
WoW is already dead, I can't imagine anybody returning for Legion after WoD. I mean, how much of this content is even going to make it to the final product?
>>318224026
mogu structures were built with slave labor including the pandaren
>there are people in this thread right now who play Alliance
lmao
>>318225367
I agree, who would play a faction that the developers hate
>>318225367
>not playing both and switching depending on the focus of the expansions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT7pWWtQagE
>Stormheim; Vrykul Godking: "Skarvald"
I hope that's wrong. Skarvald is a mid boss in Utgarde Keep. I hope Blizzard doesn't intend to reuse names hoping no one would notice.
>>318225367
>there are people in this thread right now who play WoW
lmao
>>318224516
>tfw he was right and Jaina went nuclear during MoP
>>318225687
>there are people in existence who are not me and don't think like me and agree with everything I think and say
roflcopter
>>318225510
>every man for himself vs will of the forsaken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mACssWZ80XQ
Those were some garbage videos desu OP
>>318225961
>there are self aware consciousnesses separate from my being that decide to not merge of the ultimate collective
1-3 do nothing
4-6: resub with gold
7-9: resub with money
0: resub and delete everything
it wont be good but idiot fanboys will still play it
they probably stopped showing sub numbers because there's no competition so there's no point
>>318225965
didn't they balance that already? Anyways I was referring to the lore
>>318225152
I understand that. But why do casual players have to be fucked in the ass because of the grinders? I believe they haven't though through this system at all. It was supposed to be an alternative payment method to keep subs from bleeding and it doesnt work. Is Blizzard really that unaware of the gold economy in their own fucking game?
This expansion is going to suffer from ashbergers syndrome.
>>318226271
every player-controlled market is shit for this purpose. At least on high pop realms the AH is balanced because there are a gajillion different items. But when you focus an entire continent's autism into a single resource grind and then average out the price this is the result . Ultimately Blizz just isn't ready to stop milking the cash cow
I'd play Runescape if it wasn't for the retarded click to move mechanic
Sadly, I think if I had a time machine, I'd probably go back to TBC release and relive the dream.
If Velen's so powerful, why doesn't he just kill the all bad guys?
>>318226567
>Click spot to get away from enemy
>Watch character either move closer or pathing freak out and make them turn in the same spot
>>318224516
>literally killing your own father for a homicidal mongrel
>Varian dies
>fury warriors don't get his swords
>>318227252
Jainna - white people, Horde - islamic refugees, Admiral - Europe
>>318227252
When was Thrall homicidal?
>>318227353
>horde fury warriors taking the king's swords
That's not going to look good at all.
A MOBA is supposed to fill the gap of an MMO?
>>318227724
>scumfuck alliance shamans who stole the class are getting Thrall's hammer
Yea, like that's an issue
>>318227850
It's what's popular these days.
Maeiv x Illidan when.
>>318223198
half the shit from legion is ripping off ffxiv
>>318227892
Thrall's been neutral for years. Doomhammer is basically an Earthen Ring weapon at this point.
>>318227724
Troll hunters can get a Windrunner bow, Alliance mages can get a Kael'thas's sword, Horde mages can get weapons for some of the strongest human mages ever, Horde paladins get the symbol for which the Order of the Silver Hand revolved around, Alliance rogues get Garona's daggers, Horde warriors get the sword of the original leader of the united human tribes, and so on.
>>318223198
Is OP the faggot in the videos? I watched a dozen of his vids. Every single one is scathingly negative of Blizzard.
Why does this retard keep playing or bothering at all if he hates them so much?
>>318228157
Too bad they can't rip off the good primal fights and actual frequency of content updates.
>>318223796
Yes, and they also said they would no longer be releasing sub numbers going forward, because they have "better metrics" to measure performance.
>>318224516
Man Kul Tiras marines were so fucking badass looking. I wish Footmen used that look in WoW, and they made elite Footmen.
>>318228419
Blizzfags are the most vindictive motherfuckers in the industry. Almost as bad as Fallout fans with that mini nuke thing.
>>318228661
>they have "better metrics" to measure performance.
Wow, that was the reason they gave? The situation is sadder than I thought.
>>318228362
Kael'thas left his sword in the snow, it's fidners keepers at this point
>>318228824
How? Measuring actual player activity is obviously a better measuring tool than just flat sub numbers, because that doesn't get to how many people are actually playing with any degree of regularity (but is not as easily reducible to a number you can show off at a shareholder meeting).
>>318228419
being an edgy cunt on youtube must pay well
Only in WoW threads argument ad popolum is seen as legitimate.
Because people who got lured in with Nightelf Mohawks are true connoisseurs of videogames.
>>318229058
If you knew anything about youtube you would know that the guy op posted makes like 0 money out of this.
>>318228661
>>318229014
Their quarterly releases will include things like earnings and profits, with a very good chance that they will be broken down by source.
Take what they report their income from subscriptions is and divide by 45. That gives you a rough estimate of subscriptions (although, because of the chinks that play for like $1, it may skew numbers a lot).
>>318229014
Tell me a scenario where those numbers would actually sound better to shareholders as opposed to raw numbers of everyone paying them money regardless of whether they're actively playing or not.
>>318228419
Because according to the end of his video, he is brave and strays from the norm and doesn't care about money and, why the fuck is he talking about himself. what a twat.
>>318229429
Their response was about measuring performance, not about what number sounds nicer or more appealing to shareholders. And in that regard it makes sense to look at metrics of player activity, rather than just putting out a vague number without context.
let's get this shit started
>rogue sewers
>>318228094
>Legion is actually a romcom about helping Illidan as his wingman to help him get over his love for Tyrande and find someone who actually does care for him
It's going to happen.
>>318229379
Also, the token thing that gives you play time for gold will also skew results.
>>318223198
>Why they even bothered with this is beyond me.
Because the game's going to make a shit ton of money? That's beyond you?
>>318228671
Actually, aren't the Human Player characters from Kul Tiras?
>>318229694
Where they belong.
>>318223198
>They aren't even reporting sub numbers anymore.
That was a fun read.
>The developer revealed that the game was down to 5.5 million subscribers, its lowest number since 2005, and that it would no longer be sharing subscription numbers at all.
>"There are other metrics that are better indicators of the overall Blizzard business performance."
At a 9 year low, magically their number of players don't matter anymore.
>2015
>Not playing an Orc
>Not breeding Alliance women full of your green seed
>Not turning loyal human women into orc loving race-traitors.
Why?
>>318230093
Their player numbers never mattered, even when they were 11 million. Because even at their lowest they still completely blow away any of the immediate competition, which makes people obsessing over them seem really stupid and pedantic.
>>318230093
They now make $5 more for some subs and sell cash shop mounts
So yes, 100% of their WoW revenue doesn't come from sub numbers anymore
>>318230093
It is kind of stupid that people are more concerned with how many people are playing rather than if the game's content is good or not.
It isn't, but let's face it. The sub numbers only purpose was to shit on Blizzard and WoW post WotLK.
>>318228628
Only thing XIV really has going for it is aesthetic and boss music, WoW has some great tracks but nothing like a good boss theme
Don't really know how XIV has been doing since the expansion dropped but every 3 months was pretty nice, even if not every update had something to keep you playing for long
>>318227718
When he committed genocide on the quilboar and aided the tauren in invading the centaur lands also resulting in genocide
>B-but the tauren were peaceful nomads!
The tauren were fucking leeches come to pillage the natural resources of the centaur because they used up thousand needles and couldn't be arsed to farm and shit, they rather roam and raid, fuck the tauren.
>>318230439
>It is kind of stupid that people are more concerned with how many people are playing rather than if the game's content is good or not.
I think people focus on the sub numbers as an indicator for the quality of the game overall. 11 million playing? must be a good game. 5 million people playing and people dropping off in the millions every month? Says the lack of content is a real issue for players.
Or at least that's the connection most people make and it does have merit.
Not saying numbers are the end all be all but you lose that many players that fast and of course that matters.
>>318231035
But LoL has more people playing than Dota 2 and it isn't that good of a game. People started dropping off from Dota 2 when reborn hit, but it doesn't mean the game was complete shit.
>>318223782
>all 3 specs get fucking trashed over the course of wod
>blizzard announces new nostalgia hunters that embody everything that monks were before blizzard decided to trash them
>literally destroyed a class so they could make money off selling their rushed piece of shit
It's like being harassed by a giant retard.
>>318231035
The issue with shit like that is that its mostly conjecture and people also love to ignore all the data.
Like, when WoD launched nobody actually cared about Blizzards marketing getting three million people back into the game which was the highest amount of returning players for any expansion so far.
But when the same three millions quit the game everybody declared the game dead.
Generally I do think that Blizzard deserves this kind of flak, but for other reasons.
They used to brag about these numbers to shareholders and they obviously set themselves up for a situation like this because there's no chance in hell that WoW could ever maintain the 11mil players forever.
It was short sighted and just like people now say the game is shit because of the low subs they used to say that the game was great because of the high subs.
Shit goes both ways and karma is hitting them hard now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mACssWZ80XQ
BOLVAR SOUNDS FUCKING AMAZING
>>318231143
LoL is 300x better than Dota 2 though, hence why it's more popular. it takes way more skill to be good at league of legends and that's why it's going to be the poster child for competitive gaming, because it takes the most skill to be good at.
>>318231815
low quality b8
>>318231815
>>318230919
Those Centaur lands were originally Tauren lands, before they were forced to flee due to Centaurs indiscriminately murdering them.
Also, as far as I know there are plenty of Quilboar, so at most Thrall took care of whatever hostile forces attacked them while looking for a place to live.
>>318228419
>Why does this retard keep playing or bothering at all if he hates them so much?
If he stopped playing he wouldn't be able to make inane complaints about the game on youtube and wow players rack up a lot of views.
>>318228419
There's an army of retards that outnumber Blizzard fans that hate Blizzard simply just for existing, and because of how popular they and their games are.
Success breeds jealousy, as they say.
>>318232541
>So most Thrall took care of whatever hostile forces attacked them
You mean the original inhabitants of durotar who were defending their homes from the alien invaders who, after fucking up their own planet and losing a war trying to invade other peoples home, did the same thing again and this time won?
The horde is fucking cartoon villain tier of evil matey, wake the fuck up.
>>318230919
>>The tauren were fucking leeches
Yeah, pretty much the first race on Azeroth were the leeches, not everyone fucking else.
Fuck off you uneducated fucktard.
>>318232996
>Pretty much the first race on Azeroth
That's not the trolls you demented faggot, and it doesn't change that they were being attacked by the centaur because they were invading their lands to reap it of natural resources.
Thrall abetted the massacre of centaur who were defending their territory.
>>318231720
>Like, when WoD launched nobody actually cared about Blizzards marketing getting three million people back into the game which was the highest amount of returning players for any expansion so far.
That was posted everywhere, there was a ton of hope for WoD and not just from the market team at blizzard.
>So many returning players, WoW is back on track!
That kind of stuff was everywhere
>>318232992
Yes, let's just ignore the fact that the Quilboar were primarily in the Barrens, and attacked the Tauren and Orcs both immediately, when all they were doing was moving a caravan through the area. Clearly they are the good guys somehow, because you feel the need to shitpost and be an epic contrarian.
>Let's just give them green quest rewards from last expansion and tell them it's an artifact
>>318233351
that's exactly what rogues deserve
>>318233173
Trolls and Tauren are both races that existed prior to Titan intervention, and trying to pin one down as the "first" is both fruitless and pointless. And lets see what the game actually says about what you're talking about:
"Out of the black lands of the west came a horde of murderous creatures - the centaur. Cannibals and ravagers, the centaur fell upon the Shu'halo like a plague. Though the braves and hunters fought with the Earthmother's blessing in their hearts, the centaur could not be defeated.
The Shu'halo were forced to leave their ancestral holdings behind, and roam the endless plains as nomads forever after. It was held that one day hope would return - and the scattered tribes of the Shu'halo would find a new home under the loving arms of the Earthmother."
>>318233351
I am 100% convinced that you cannot make daggers that look good and fit into Warcrafts artstyle because daggers should be simple by default.
You cant go ham like with two handed swords, axes and huge wizard sticks.
Same applies to stuff like Katanas. Shit needs to be simple or it goes stupid really fast.
>>318233342
>Quillboar were primarily in the barrens
Bullshit, they largely fled there after the orcs butchered them, which you get informed of repeatedly.
>Attacked the Tauren and Orcs both immediately
Armed invaders show up on your doorstep and start taking your shit, yea let's not defend our homes!
>When all they were doing was moving a caravan through the area
And reaping it of natural resources
I don't see how you can be so retarded that you don't even understand why the quilboar and centaur would want to defend their land against foreign invasion when the result is right in front of you, the orcs stole more than an entire province from the quilboar and all but eradicated their entire species to the point where they ran to the fucking UNDEAD for help.
I'm not saying the centaur and quilboar were "good guys" but the orcs and tauren certainly are bad guys.
>N-no, surely my circlejerk fandom can't be wrong!
Indeed. Fuck off.
>>318233583
>History as told by the tauren
Very credibly indeed!
>Retcons by Chris "horde dindu nuffin" Metzen
Oh boy!
Are memesters trying to portray the Horde as objectively evil again?
>>318233914
Yea what a shock, how could people possibly do that? Everyone knows they dindu nuffin.
>>318233914
Only the blood elves and tauren aren't objectively evil
>>318223782
Do you really believe people won't play DH? Only reason monks aren't more popular is because their tanking is "hard" and because you have to level them from level 1. If they had started at or near max level there would be way more. Just like with DKs. Everyone and their mom will have a DH.
>>318233608
That Naaru-on-a-stick staff makes me want to play Holy. Its just so comically ridiculous that I love it.
Also want the skull artifact for Demo. Buts thats because skulls are COOL.
>>318234206
Many reasons for monks not being popular.
Your average Warcraft player isnt too interested in kung fu shit, they want generic fantasy stuff.
Not like I care though, because I think that kung fu shit is pretty cool.
They just need to make WW damage good.
>>318231792
Are all the names he mentions ACTUAL Npcs from W3? Did Blizzard finally do something right?
>>318231792
>Destroying theebon bladefor the shards
Please no, those were my brothers.
>>318234490
Legion is literally "Major Lore characters doing shit: The expac:. Its not surprising. They are jamming three expacs worth of stuff into a single expac just to appeal as hard as possible to long time fans.
Only thing left is LITERALLY Argus.
>>318233910
Yeah, because Warcraft is so well known for having unreliable narrators.
And pray tell, what did it retcon? Show me the part of WC3 where they are not clearly evil cannibals that indiscriminately attack people.
>>318233805
You're clearly putting a spin on events that has no bearing on what actually happened. "Reaping it of natural resources"? Really? Orcs appear, they join up with the Tauren, and while making their way to Durotar they get attacked. Nowhere in that do they lead an attack against the Quilboar that the Quilboar themselves do no initiative because they are generic chaotic evil enemies.
>>318234206
it has nothing to do with starting from level 1. the class is just boring, uninteresting. doesn't fit with the rest of the classes. has high learning skills.
monk needs a serious revamp for it to become popular.
>>318234625
They could make endless expansions about different legion or titan planets
but everyone knows people only just bitch when come up with new ideas
>>318234725
Brewmaster has been LITERALLY the most fun and rewarding tank spec in the entire game since it existed. Yeah, the other two specs are meh and they obviously never had a good idea of what to do with mistweaver, but BrM makes up for the other 2 specs several times over.
Shit, BrM was so enjoyable they changed EVERY OTHER tank spec to work with active mitigation just like it.
>>318234757
To be fair, their last couple "new ideas" have sucked donkey dicks. Who really wanted MoP? Or WoD?
>>318234875
MUH GUARD
>>318234672
>Evil cannibals that indiscriminately attack people
They only attack the Tauren who were literally invading their lands, and the orcs who were doing the same, and cannibalism? You add that on yourself because you know how weak your actual narrative is here.
>You're clearly putting a spin on events
Yea because nomads eat nothing but air and dirt, after all!
>While making their way to Durotar
You mean while roaming through their territory armed to the teeth the local populace defended themselves? Wow anon, what utter chaotic evil monsters! And the Horde were totally justified in taking an entire province worth of land after butchering the vast majority of their race to the point where they desperately look to the undead for help.
>It's fine we invaded their lands and murdered the majority of their populace, they were clearly evil!
Holy shit anon, that's disgustingly evil.
>>318234725
>the class is just boring, uninteresting.
Couldnt disagree more.
They are anything but that.
They only suffer from a lack of proper class armors because they are new, and because huge shoulders arent truly fitting for monks.
>>318234875
death knight was the first active mitigation tank
>>318234969
MUH OX STATUE TANKING FOR ME
MUH COMICALLY STRONG DEFENSIVE COOLDOWNS
MUH DODGING EVERY ATTACK WITH 80% EVASION
MUH ROLLING AROUND
MUH GOTTA GO FAST TAUNT
MUH STAGGER BEING OP
>people are actually defending the centaurs just to make the Horde look bad
This is too hilarious.
>>318234949
>Who really wanted MoP?
I don't know, isle of Thunder was pretty good and the ToT raid was a lot of fun. I know people hated 'muh pandas' but the zone stories weren't bad and the raids were fun.
>>318235123
>People can't argue back and instead try ridicule
How fitting.
>>318235045
Technically, but it was really halfassed compared to BrM. BrM was literally designed with the idea that if you didn't keep everything actively running properly and timing everything just right you fell over dead, but if you handled everything well you basically couldn't die. I was literally telling my healers to not bother healing me during Heroic (currently Mythic) progression because being good at BrM meant bosses couldn't kill you.
>>318235042
you may disagree but the numbers say otherwise. I play a rogue, which is also an underplayed class. I enjoy it but realize that it's not popular for anyone outside of the pvp community.
>>318235128
It's weird looking back on it, it's pretty much the best expac. Decent story for the most part, good zones, a good amount of content, with that content being diverse rather than just solely focused on end-game raiding. Pretty good considering it started as "Muh Pandas" and "Pokemon in WoW?"
>>318234949
>Who really wanted MoP?
I did.
I wanted it more than TBC.
They actually thought that sending us to a planet that already got fucked to shit with all the major characters being dead already was a good idea.
And then we killed Illidan for no reason.
>>318235128
MoP had good stuff, but lore wise, no one gave any shits. The entire "point" of the expac was just Garrosh going apeshit. Thats it. It was a waste.
>>318235123
It goes to show how people can read too much into anything, including one-dimensional cannibal raiders.
>>318235220
>he thinks being an active denier of established lore because "muh headcanon makes it easier to hate Red team" is worthy of anything but ridicule
>>318235241
People dont play interesting stuff, people play faggy shit like Hunters and Paladins.
People also primarily play Bloodelves.
People simply have shit taste.
And rogues are pretty fucking good in PVE. Best melee pretty much.
>>318235292
>For no reason
Other than him being the most consistently evil character that wasn't part of the burning legion in the lore?
>B-but Illidan dindu nuffin!
Come back when you actually paid attention to the story you retarded spaz.
>>318235301
But the actual lore was pretty interesting, between the Mogu relationship to the Pandaren, Emperor Shaohao, and everything related to the Mantid.
>>318235220
>posting garbage and expecting legit responses
>>318234576
Sounds more like you're helping the Ebon Blade fight the Dreadlords who stole the shards of Frostmourne. Literally every major organization is returning for Legion, this could be the end of WoW.
>>318235390
They are almost always great in both pvp and pve. Most people don't like them compared to things like hunters and paladins because its much harder to do shit solo with them. Hunters can solo practically anything thanks to their pets and Paladins and other hybrids can keep themselves going with heals. Rogues take more work than other classes to do the same thing.
>>318223782
>tfw hated monks initially
>tried bm out and it's now BY FAR my favorite spec
holy shit monks are fun
>>318235230
almost every tank spec could do that because tanking was so broken in mop, and monks were perma-shuffled after the first tier from haste, it wasn't even a skill thing
>>318235402
And then there's this retard.
>>318235387
>Established lore
>Self contradicting mess
>Let's ignore every other point raised and just cherry pick this one point that I can argue denies "established" lore that was only "established" years after the fact.
You're adorable son.
>>318234625
>Only thing left is LITERALLY Argus.
....that's what we thought before wod.
Fuck, that's what we thought before pandaland.
>>318235552
Dunno, rogues were never in a terrible spot when it comes to that either.
They just arent DK tier, but barely anybody is.
Recuperate gets you far though.
Hunters are definitely a lazy mans choice though. Easy to play, always works, all the advantages of melees and ranged with no downsides, pets for tanking, great survivability.
>>318235615
>rattle off a bunch of vague shit
>none of which has anything to do with the issue originally raised
>expect serious responses
>>318235572
Wasn't just shuffle man. It was also keeping your stagger cleansed, timing all your cooldowns and guards, and maximizing your dps WHILE doing all that maximize raid guards from your statue.
I'm not saying it was "hard" but there is a reason a lot of people were convinced BrM were garbage even during SoO. It was way more common to see people playing them badly and falling over dead than it was to see some being good with them. The gap was huge.
>>318235481
>I have no legit responses so I'll just decry it as garbage!
You know you need to be 18+ to post here right?
>>318235615
What's contradicting about centaurs and quilboars? What has changed about them between WC3 and WoW?
>>318235402
He wasn't evil after being released from prison, until WoW. Same with Kael
>>318235668
People thought Emerald Dream.
They thought Broken Isles or at least something Azshara at least.
They thought maybe another Legion invasion leading to Argus in the expac after it.
So literally Legion.
Instead of making each of those their own expacs they made two "original idea" expacs and then condensed everything into 1 expac with Legion.
>>318235736
>I'll just dismiss it as vague and irrelevant because I have no arguments!
Really anon? You're going to keep trying this?
>>318235606
The irony is palpable, kid.
>>318235045
Why are gooks such degenerates.
>>318235765
>getting this upset because you got called out
>>318235832
He was actively working with Kil'jaeden, the guy responsible for so much bad shit happening to his people. And once he begged for forgiveness and decided to go after Arthas after he desperation play of running to Outland didn't work, he was beyond having the excuse of just "infiltrating" the Legion to help the Night Elves.
>>318226001
>My mark
I thought Bolvar wanted people not to know a Lichking still exists?
>>318235858
Of course you're both of these guys arguing this retarded shit.
Obviously.
>>318235858
Heres the difference.
Im dismissing a retard thats shitposting.
>hint: this is you
Youre trying to dismiss established lore to continue shitposting.
>>318235986
As the player character you know he still exists, because you were there at ICC when it happened.
Why the fuck does the Forsaken still continue the process of creating new Forsaken?
It's fucking retarded
>"Oh new player we raised you from the dead, you were once a xenophobic human but now part of the Forsaken"
Even the starting quests explaining that some don't join still doesn't make sense since the reasons of those who side with the Forsaken is literally "Lol undead now, k"
How can they justify this lazy and retarded writing?
Why do people feeling compelled to shit on every midocrum of WoW information? If the game was truly dead or dying then nobody would care. Only autists participate in this sort of shit. It's a video game, who the fuck cares.
>>318235045
I really hate seeing murder rape. If you have a hot chick just rape her. Murder is such a huge waste of warm pussy.
Why the fuck does the Forsaken still continue the same process of creating new Forsaken?
It's fucking retarded
>"Oh new player we raised you from the dead, you were once a xenophobic human but now part of the Forsaken"
Even the starting quests explaining that some don't join still doesn't make sense since the reasons of those who side with the Forsaken is literally "Lol undead now, k"
How can they justify this lazy and retarded writing?
Why do people go to such irrational lengths to shit on Blizzard. They aren't as good as they used to be, but they are far from terrible. It's not like old Blizzard went on to do anything better.
>>318236067
Because the PC undead isnt a former xenophobic human.
Youre some rando the scourge cut down that the valkyr reanimated at Sylvanas' command.
You then 'choose' to serve the Forsaken by killing those that dont or wont serve so that you can continue existing.
It isnt hard to grasp. Youre just a moron.
>>318235832
>He wasn't evil
>Kills thousands of night elves in the fishing villages even though he could have literally just walked on water to escape Maiev and she'd be none the wiser
>Tries to destroy Northrend on behalf on Kil'jaeden which would flood half of Azeroth and kill millions
>Same with Kael
Sure thing man, they were constantly telling you about the danger of using demons and shit corrupting you because they weren't going to do anything with it! That makes so much sense!
>>318236067
What else would they do?
Either join the undead masses or go solo.
As long as only a fraction of them joins its a win for the forsaken.
>>318236114
Because we all, at one point, held WoW very close to our hearts. Back in 2004-2005. No game like WoW existed, nothing as big or as enthralling as WoW could've even though to exist back then.
Literally the only reason people still plat WoW is because of the few people who cling to hope that the new expansion will bring WoW back to it's glory days.It wont.
>>318235956
>I got told, but I'll say he did to cover my ass!
Jesus anon, you just keep trying the same retarded strategy? Is this actually all you've got? Seriously man?
>>318236039
>Here's the difference; I'm right and you're wrong!
Holy shit you actually went there, hilarious!
>>318235301
MoP was fantastic because it got to focus on the world and exploration. Most of the time WoW will switch between focusing on the world and exploration and focusing on the war and combat, and there's a huge mood whiplash when it switches so often. Stonetalon Mountains was a cool zone because it entirely focused on the war going on over the zone.
Then you get shit like Draenor Nagrand where there's fighting Iron Horde forces and over the river there's goofy goblin shenanigans and the throne of the elements to explore. And it's fucking bizarre that Icecrown was surrounded by Storm Peaks, Wintergrasp, and Scholozar, the only zones with little to no Scourge presence. It's weird that the closer you get to Icecrown the less the Scourge there are.
MoP was great because the majority of the time was focused on the world to the point when you are called to war you're supposed to feel like it's wrong you are doing so.
>>318236295
>Tries to destroy Northrend on behalf on Kil'jaeden which would flood half of Azeroth and kill millions
Honestly, the batshit crazy headcanon you manage to come up with is pretty hilarious. Keep up the good work.
>>318235985
He was being forced against his will.
>>318236058
I know, but having a deathknight carry his mark so the Dreadlords will know of him sort of reveals to other mortals that a Lich King still stands.
>>318236365
>you will never be that much of a pathetic cunt making threads about games you dont like anymore after a decade
feels good.
>>318235851
honestly never though emerald dream was a legit possibility.
>>318236292
>"oh I remember how I died"
>"an Orc cut off my hands and left me to die"
>reviving a high ranking human who fought against the undead
>"lol okay will serve you guys now"
gee anon maybe you should go back to the mental institution, looks like they haven't cured your retardation
>>318236415
Getting called out on your shitposting is usually when shitposters stop.
Youre just looking pathetic now.
>>318236491
I haven't played WoW since Cata was released, but I still think about it, a lot. I'm smart enough not to resub.
>>318236427
>Things the game literally tells you
>Headcanon
Anon...
>>318236542
>get called a retard for saying something retarded
>"NUH UH UR TARDED NOT ME"
>>318236523
You shouldn't, because anybody who puts any thought into it would know it would be boring as fuck. The Emerald Dream is just Azeroth without any technological influences. In other words, it would be an expac that's just what we already have, but this time without any cities. Good for a single zone like what they're doing with it, but a full-blown expac was never feasible.
Now the Azshara-related stuff is an entirely different matter, and screams of Blizzard mashing expac ideas together.
>>318236552
>I'll keep insisting I'm calling him out, maybe someone will believe me and come to my aid!
He still doesn't learn, holy shit this is so pathetic it's amazing!
>>318236523
A LOT of people did. You couldn't go one thread here where "exac ideas" came up where someone didn't bring it up.
And now they added a leadin quest with the Grove Warden SPECIFICALLY setting it up for Legion. Should have happened a long time ago.
>>318236595
http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/589475-warcraft-iii-the-frozen-throne/faqs/38545
Here's the game script. Feel free to point to the part where it talks about destroying Northrend to flood half of Azeroth.
What I don't understand is why they don't just stop with the Xpacs and make monthly content updates. Basically a HERE'S WHY YOU SHOULDN'T DROP YOUR SUB THIS MONTH every month.
>>318236731
No matter how hard you deny reality, it doesnt change.
But please, keep shitposting. You arent even being subtle about it you clearly are in desperate need of the attention.
>>318236683
Blizzard is most likely scared of making a water themed expansion after the reception Vashjr got.
>>318236683
The Azshara thing really couldn't work as an entire expac. Reason being that Blizzard WILL NEVER do another underwater zone again, after the massive backlash about Vashjyr. And you couldn't have an entire Azshara themed expac without any underwater zones. Which is a damned shame. An entire expac focusing on all the oceans of Azeroth overflowing with Naga, sea monsters, and servants of N'zoth and needing to beat them back and take them out would have been great.
In the sunken city, he lays dreaming.
The drowned god's heart is black ice.
At the bottom of the ocean even light must die.
In the land of Ny'alotha there is only sleep.
Ny'alotha is a city of old, terrible, unnumbered crimes.
In the sleeping city of Ny'alotha walk only mad things.
The stars sweep chill currents that make men shiver in the dark...
The fish know all the secrets. They know the cold. They know the dark.
>>318236674
>"wahhhhhh I can't defend my point"
>ad hominem
TELL ME MORE ABOUT HOW THE CRIMSON CRUSADE HUMANS WOULD JOIN THE HORDE OR UNDEAD ANON!
>>318236894
They should definitely consider making their content patches smaller and more frequent.
Rather than one 14 boss raid for half a year make two 7 boss raids for three months.
That would definitely guarantee that people wouldnt get bored that quickly.
>>318235668
People thought after Cata, because of vash'jir, there would be a "south seas" expansion entirely underwater, where we would fight Azshara and N'zoth. That's why the "dark below" rumor spread.
Then it would be a legion expansion. Blizzard thought it was too soon and wanted to milk WoW more so they switched to things people didn't ask for.
>>318235851
They had emerald dream shit during BC development. Then they gave up around cata and fixed the problem with a book. desu, I feel blizzard has grown to hate the emerald dream as a concept.
It's pretty sad they've fallen back on the shitty Stornmrage book to bring the nightmare back.
>>318236817
>Refer to the Kil'jaeden part
>Think the rest was so obvious no one would be dumb enough to question it
You know what, let's actually entertain the retarded notion that destroying/melting an entire frozen continent wouldn't have dramatic consequences for the rest of the world.
Remember all those things that were alive and well in WotLK? Those would all be dead, all of them, entire species butchered because Illidan wanted to appease his master.
But yea, he clearly isn't evil, he was a good guy trying to fight the good fight and kill the Lich King!
>I'll defend my first edgy teen self-insert faggot to the death!
This is you right now, get the fuck out.
>>318237005
They never committed to it and Vashjir had nothing worth returning for.
>>318237116
Not really true. People would just get bored twice as fast and come back twice as often.
They basically did what you suggest with the first tier in WoD and it didn't really work well.
>>318236895
>I'll just post some more ironic drivel and pretend it doesn't apply to me, but him instead!
Anon, dearie, you lost, it's over, you can keep going but at least try something else for a change.
>>318237239
>>318237005
I never understood that hate for Vash'jir, it was one of the comfiest zones in cata.
What was the issue? the questing?
>>318237239
Tons of people threw fits about underwater character control. Thats all there is to it.
>>318236894
You're talking about the company that struggles to put out a single raid every 6 months, if that.
>>318237207
>Think the rest was so obvious no one would be dumb enough to question it
In other words, it's your headcannon that you get whiny about when people call you out on it when you say it's "literally" in the game.
>>318237005
Vash'jir was fine, it was basically just a permanent flying mode for everyone
>>318237349
Controlling your character underwater was way too hard for a lot of people. Understand, a lot of people that play WoW are shit at videogame keyboard turning shitters. 3 dimensional movement completely overwhelmed them.
I loved the zone, still think its probably the most gorgeous zone in the game, maybe tied with Jade Forest, and WISH we could get a full Azshara expac, but its just not happening.
>>318237451
>I'll ignore everything else and shitpost once more calling obvious conclusions "headcanon" and this means everything else he said is also invalid even though my dismissal complete shitposting
Anon please, if you lose so disgracefully just stop making a fool of yourself and leave, this is pathetic.
>>318223782
RIP monk WW
if you didnt quit after tbc or even wotlk (still garbage) you're fucked for life.
>>318236594
That's sadder than people who still play. You still daily think about a game that you claim to have not played in years, but don't play it because of probably pretty stupid reasons or you want to fit in. You'd clearly be better off just playing it if you think about it so much.
>>318237207
You can't say for certain that Illidan was aware that the Northrend spell could kill many people. Even if he was, it's not cut and dry that wanting to kill the Lich King despite the sacrifice is entirely evil. And it should be kept in mind that he was doing any of that to begin with because he would be killed otherwise.
>>318237062
>completely and intentionally ignores that these kind of cases are accounted for in early Forsaken questing
>BUT WUT BOUT X HOOMANZ DEY NEVA GONNA JOIN FORSAKEN ANONNLOLOLOL BTFOBTFOBTFO
>>318237301
>still shitposting so hard its practically a pre-suicide cry for help
>probably has damn near had a panic attack since he hasnt gotten a reply in 10 mins
>>318237487
But there was an actual ground walking ability, how could these people not figure that out?
>>318237598
Not him, but you only have circumstantial evidence. That's headcanon
>>318223198
I don't believe Legion is going to be the saving grace, but my friend believes it is because of stuff like:
A) They are removing the need for weapons with the new legion weapon upgrade system or whatever the fuck it is. IMO, they're just chipping away at what is making this MMORPG... an RPG. When are they going to start removing gear drops in favor of the same system? When are they going to start removing stats? When are they going to start removing classes? Taking away things isn't always an improvement.
B) Meme Hunters. They're obviously going to be broken as shit like Death Knights were on release for WotLK.
C) Spec revamps like Surv Hunters being Melee Hunters now. Which doesn't make any sense. I predict these revamps are going to backfire in some way like it always does. Can't wait for the equivalent of 6-second cooldown Frost traps.
Then there's the potential that it's going to be MoP Part 3: Less Content Edition, what with the miniscule amount of raids being available on launch that's inevitably going to happen. Fool me once.
>>318237950
>Forsaken is completely retarded
>IT'S IN THE QUEST!
>early Forsaken questing >>318236542 and "lol k serve Sylvanas now"
ablooo bloo blooo
>>318223782
If the past expansions are anything to go by, DHs are going to be extremely overpowered for up to a year after launch. After missing out on the overpoweredness of Monks and DKs at launch, I'm not missing it this time.
>>318229694
>when the class is so shitted on their guild hall is literally the sewers
>>318238247
In vanilla hunters were gonna be melee. Rogues were gonna be tanks as well as shamans. But they decided not to but you can still see some talents and skills hinting at it
>>318238294
>still ignoring that at least 2 of the pre-Brill quests includes killing raised Forsaken that not only refuse to serve but actively oppose the Forsaken
>LOL IM RITE LOLOLLLOLLLLLLOLLLOLL
So whats the deal with Sylvanas Greymane and Nathos? Is Sylvanas just flying around and Greymane is still butthurt about his son getting Arrow'd? And he attacks killing Nathos though being captured because he's a dumb furry?
>>318238468
I mean, they are already committed to hunters being ranged, and their gimmicks being high single-target damage, pets, and traps. They keep changing the premise of specs and it's usually ends up being a silly, unwanted change.
>>318238298
>Monks OP at launch
...anon I have some bad news.
>>318238294
Retard.
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY DEMO ARTIFACT TREE I WANT TO BE DISSAPOINTED RIGHT NOW
>>318238629
But survival was basically an AOE specialized dot class. They are trying to make the specs distinct. Making survival melee does that more than anything.
>>318237846
>You can't say for certain that Illidan was aware that destroying an entire continent would kill everyone on it!
>You can't say for certain this terrorist was aware that blowing up the building would kill everyone in it!
>Even if he was, it's not cut and dry that wanting to kill the Lich King despite the sacrifice is entirely evil
Illidan was literally just acting on Kil'jaeden's orders, he had no personal stake in attacking the Lich King and certainly wasn't trying to be a hero (hell, he just fucks off to Outland to try and escape his master's wrath after he fails)
>He only did it because otherwise he would be killed!
And that too would be entirely his own fault, as he's the one that threw his lot in with Kil'jaeden in the first place, and doesn't at all mitigate the evil nature of his actions.
And again, I'll refer to the thousands of Night elves he implicitly butchered in the first Night Elf mission, clearly the hero we all deserve
>He did that just to escape Maiev!
Who was entirely justified in trying to capture him as he was a dangerous demon (has to obey Kil'Jaeden or be killed, a point you yourself raised) and Illidan could have easily made his escape without destroying those villages, as evidenced by the rest of the Night Elf campaign, as his actions only served to reveal his plans to Maiev.
>>318238696
I wanted to see their tree so bad. I am so hype for demo and I know I will be let down but I want to see it anyway. Same with brewmaster.
>>318237950
>Hasn't provided a single argument the entire time
>Not a single contribution to the thread other than "yu r shitpostur!"
>Not shitposting
Pick one and only one, dumbass.
>N-no, I'm calling you out! I'm right and you're wrong! I can't do anything but repeat this endlessly!
Fucking. Pathetic.
>>318238541
>Raised humans who hated undead and Horde willingly joining the Forsaken
>BUT YOU KILL THE ONES WHO DON'T JOIN
doesn't that justify why the retarded reasons of "lol I'll serve Sylvanas now" you mong, I guess retarded reasons make sense to the mentally challenged
>>318238920
>if I say you havent provided an argument maybe youll keep repeating yourself so I can keep ignoring what makes me wrong
>someone is paying attention to me! I have to keep this going!
>>318238614
Hopefully he dies. Fuck furries
>>318239137
Agreed.
>>318238247
Personally I think the weapon talent/upgrade system is more interesting than just replacing shit with drops for the billionth time.
Although they're doing it in a retarded way with artifacts and the "you're the super special snowflake hero" angle, where you have to just ignore all the other people playing the game.
It's gonna be shit anyway because none of this crap is gonna matter when Legion is over. That's WoW's single biggest continuous flaw. Everything just gets replaced.
>>318239029
Good English my man
>>318223337
Welp, it's confirmed at last.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1MAiuFmuQ
Rest in peace, old man.
>>318239112
who did this to the pig
monster..
At least it isn't that one gifof cutting a mouse's dick off
>>318239239
>Although they're doing it in a retarded way with artifacts and the "you're the super special snowflake hero" angle, where you have to just ignore all the other people playing the game.
Isn't that a problem that has always existed in WoW? Multiple people could have Atiesh, or Thunderfury, or Sulfuras.
>>318239295
>killing off a literal mary sue
But he's all powerful. This doesn't make sense.
>>318239283
>ad homimen
boy, anon. That sure made the nonsense of the Forsaken make sense.
>>318239498
>Mary Sue
Uhhh
>>318239029
The PC undead is basically 'well shit. Guess I have to make the best of a shitty situation. Least its better than staying dead.'
The non PC ones that you kill run the range from 'FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK' to 'Sylvanas is a ridiculous cunt and we need to kill her.' You know, the very thing youre bitching about.
But please, keep denying reality. Its all right there in front of you in a nice neat package. But maybe if you close your eyes real tight and plug your ears and turn away from it itll turn into what you want.
Or maybe youre just retarded. Who cares.
>>318238687
mistweaver was OP, but the spec's awkwardness held it back most fights
>Killing off Nathos
I'm mad he hasn't even done anything for a couple of expansions
>>318239875
Well they wouldve killed off another Orc but theres literally 4 left that arent nameless Redshirts after SoO and WoD.
>>318239608
>complain about how retarded the reasons for joining undead are
>get told that I'm complaining about the ones that are getting killed
ebin
>>318239593
Problem?
>>318232804
I say this a fair bit just for bants but i genuinely wish you would kill yourself
>>318239875
They're doing it because Sylvanas had killed Greymane son and blizzard is pushing the peace thing, so to make it even they're picking off the only character that Sylvanas ever had sexual relations with.
>>318239295
>Bolvar, is... is it over?
>At long last brother, no man fights forever.
>I see... only... the Light... before me.
>With out his command the restless paladins will become utter shit and bubble hearth during every god damn encounter.
>Control must be maintained, there must always be an Ashbringr, or a few million.
>>318239978
And yet Blizzard clearly loves the Horde more than the Alliance somehow. Even if it makes all Horde characters evil and has you kill them off in droves.
![SWORD_1H_ARTIFACTVIGFUS_D_01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qnf45mC.jpg "SWORD_1H_ARTIFACTVIGFUS_D_01[1].jpg")
>>318239438
Yeah, but they were at least hard enough to get that they were still special. Literally everyone is handed an artifact after a quest chain. Also not to mention your character is supposedly the leader of your entire class.
Most of the artifacts look like crap too. It's really sad that the best looking ones are the weapons that had pre-existing appearances (i.e. Ashbringer and Doomhammer) because they don't look like overdesigned fluorescent dildos. Although they managed to ruin those weapons too by giving them ugly-ass "corrupted" forms and other fucked up appearances.
Look at this shit.
>>318238790
>Illidan was literally just acting on Kil'jaeden's orders
I'm saying the action itself, despite Illidan's intentions, could be argued to not be entirely evil, as the death of the Lich King would save lives.
>he's the one that threw his lot in with Kil'jaeden in the first place
Correct, but I'm saying that his nature as of WC3 would be benevolent if not for him being threatened. One could say that Illidan should have accepted death rather than follow KJ's orders, but him trying to survive is not entirely evil, but perhaps selfish.
>>318240098
needs to be twice as long
>>318240098
Stromkar is pretty cool lore-wise though, even if it does look like shit. And the fact that they're going to make the Fury weapons actually look 2 -handed gives me hope that other changes regarding artifact looks will happen.
>>318240097
No one denies blizzard likes the horde than the alliance, the alliance can litterally not be interesting for the sake of sales.
Remember, there are faggots that play WoW wishing it was LothR online and absolutely need their lawful good humans and high elves.
