What went wrong?
2 was rushed and yet it is the best, 3 was delayed for polishing yet it is the worst.
Prime was perfect except for the artifacts at the end
Prime 2 was bullshit because they made ammo limited
3 was bullshit because they gave Samus a voice and she wasn't alone
>>318074059
>3 was bullshit because they gave Samus a voice
What? She only ever grunts.
>>318074059
>they gave Samus a voice
It's been a while, but I swear Samus doesn't speak until Other M
>>318074038
Agreed.
>>318073908
>>318074038
You have to be retarded to deny it.
>>318074059
Samus didn't speak until Other M.
And to be fair, Prime 2's ammo system was alright. You could never get stuck as you could still charge up for a standard shot if you had no ammo.
>>318073908
2 was alright up until the fucking rail guardian. Fuck that guy.
Otherwise, the world between the intro levels and Sanctuary felt a little uninspired. Fuck Torvus Bog and Agon Wastes.
3 was shit just because it was for the Wii. Fuck the Wii. Rundas was aight though.
>>318074038
2 sold less than 3. both are shit anyway. They fixed none of the problems prime had.
Not much. They are good games, but all of them suffer from useless collectable padding
>>318073908
1 >>>> 3 > 2
Absolutely nothing. 1 and 2 are phenomenal, 3 was showing signs of fatigue but was still good enough to hold water. The subseries managed to end with its head still held high.
>>318073908
>we want the halo audience
>miyamoto is senile and thought it was a good idea
>handed to westerners who had no idea what metroid was
>bad fanfic tier writing
>scans
>tank movement
>power ups removed
Truly the DmC of the franchise.
>>318075654
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/HNI_*/
>>318076808
Nah, that's either Hunters or Other M. And no, Other M was not a representation of classic Metroid in 3D, but rather Fusion in 3D with everything divisive about it made worse and even more problems of its own design.
>>318076808
halo didn't exist yet chum
>>318077374
Prime was 2002, Halo was 2001. I doubt Prime was developed from the ground up in one year, though.
>>318073908
The boss battles were difficult and Prime 2 was boring, but literally nothing else.
>>318076321
this
>>318077660
The Halo crap story didn't even show up till 3 anyway.
>>318073908
They stopped making them. Objectively the three best games in the Metroid franchise. Here's hoping Fed Force can convince Nintendo to get the Metroid train rolling again.
I honestly can't imagine why would someone deny that Echoes is best.
>>318073908
Motion controls.
>>318078196
you didn't play Super Metroid nor Metroid Fusion right ?
>>318078416
Played both before I played the Prime trilogy. Good games, vastly inferior to the Primes in every regard though.
I suspect Super is one of those games you had to play at release to think it's "the best ever" and having been a Genesis kid I didn't play it til a bit after the fact. Certainly fun if unpolished.
>>318073908
Nothing. Probably the segregation of the fanbase, even tho declaring yourself fan of something is stupid, especially if it's something that could decay over time.
>>318078416
>Fusion
Eh, I think it's great in its own right but there's definitely room for debate on that one.
>>318078256
Its changes to the formula were more experimental than actually forward-thinking. It's divisive in the same way Majora's Mask is - some love it, some hate it. Also, some people think Echoes is too hard or something, I dunno.
>>318073908
Not a whole lot, and what did was pretty minor, save for 3, which still managed to be a good game, regardless.
>>318074059
>she wasn't alone
>>318078956
Yep.
>>318078351
Prime 3 is one of the few Wii games with great motion controls though. Aiming was better, the lasso was fucking awesome, interacting with the world was a bit gimmicky but was kinda neat and at worst inoffensive.
>>318073908
I honestly don't have a problem with Prime 3 despite the motion controls. Even though the worlds weren't connected among themselves (like Tallon IV was one huge maze), the planets were well designed and the lore was pretty good. P.E.D. suit looked cool too.
>>318074059
>le loneliness meme
dank
1>3>2
Prime is the original and somehow best. Echoes is the one that was generally disliked until hipsters started hailing it as the best, who ignore all of the shit in it and hate on 3 for doing something a bit different. 3 is the one that gets too much hate because it dared to be a bit too different , but it actually pulled such things off without losing touch with what made people like 1.
I liked 3, but the beams stacking was shit, as were the lack of powerbombs, and the hold + to win, but at the same time out of hyper mode you barely did any damage
>>318079949
I'd 1 > 2 > 3. 1 falls back on the basics harder than the other 2 but has the most variety in its design and aesthetic in the process. I've never thought 2 was all that flawed myself, and in fact see it as damn near 1's equal. It's not as diverse but the worldshifting and light/dark mechanics gave it its own flavor, and it's the most challenging of the Primes to boot. 3 is still very good but I disagree that it doesn't really lose its touch. 3 almost strays as far from the Metroid formula as Fusion does with greater cast integration, sequenced worlds (though ship travel was little more than a glorified elevator from the first 2 games that went anywhere you wanted) and even a little jumping the shark with the story towards the end. That said, I think it has the most flaws but still very much succeeds as a Prime game despite those flaws.
Chozo ghosts were so annoying, good god. Or was there some quick way to deal with them that I'm not aware of?
>>318080276
Hypermode's a cool gimmick since it traded health for sheer power, but it kinda broke some bosses since they often required Hypermode, meaning they had to drop health mid-fight to make that viable. Fights sometimes devolved into pattern recognition and health grinding so you can Hypermode to win.
>>318080945
Nah, they're bitches. That said, it's been a while since I've played but I want to say super missiles fuck them up.
>>318080945
Two super missiles and a charge shot will consistently kill them.
the dark world kills 2 for me. game would be much better without it
>>318080945
>>318081246
I thought it was only 1 super missile and 1 charge shot, they genuinely terrified me though
1 is the best over all, I really want to like 2 more than I do, but it has a handful of little things that bug me, and 3 is just meh, but a good meh.
>>318081073
They do, but their hit detection is wonky as fuck
>>318081282
Oh come now, it's only annoying in Agon Wastes. Once you get the Dark Suit the atmosphere pretty much stops mattering.
>>318080945
Did you use the X ray visor while fighting them?
>>318081628
wasn't talking about that so much as the tedium of switching back and forth between light / dark aether. also had a lot of things that obstructed travel and locked doors that forced fights that just made it a pain in the ass to get around.
>>318081540
prime 2 has the best suits in the seriesThe non-corrupted P.E.D. suit is also up there
>>318082017
I picked up the Complete Edition or whatever it's called, with all three bundled onto the same disk.
1 and 2 play so well with the Wii controls, it's not even funny. The Remote is pretty bad for most things, but it fits the arm cannon in a way no other controller can.
1 > 3 > 2
But it's not a very large gap on any of them, and 3 > 2 is closer than 1 > 3.
>>318081918
Fair enough. It definitely had its impact on the pacing.
I got lost after the plant boss and quit
>>318082183
The annoying thing is the swap to 3 though, were suddenly the motion controls that have just been a joy to use suddenly become a gimmick.
>>318073908
Speak of the devil, I'm playing through the Trilogy right now. One thing that was fucking dumb was having to play through the same game on every difficulty if you wanted to 100% the games (for those little black dots on the save file), then there was that thing where you needed those green emblems or whatever they're called to "buy" some cosmetic shit on Corruption, and they're impossible to collect because you need someone else to donate a voucher to you, but the online services were shut down. In Metroid Prime 1, that music whenever you were fighting generic pirates was fucking annoying, and all those Chozo Ghosts were super annoying too. They aren't even challenging, they're just a pain in the ass
>>318080740
I actually thought 2 was the least varied, at least in overworld design. The worldshifting is a decent idea but often feels like a bit of a chore and is kind of an artificial way to 'increase' the size of the game. The ammo system worked only because the types of beams would be overpowered otherwise, but miss the thing that many enjoy about different beams. It also had the worst mandatory scavenger hunt of the three.
I won't deny that 3 is the most akin to Fusion, but that depends on if you considered Fusion bad. I for one did. It was more different than 2 from a conceptional standpoint, with the 'different planets' and having more of a story focus, but it still gave you plenty of room to do your own thing. In fact I'd say that, aside from the Aurora units, the other hunters and Dane (who is what Adam should have been) were all done pretty well and added to the game.
>>318082474
Prime 1 & 2 had motion aiming at all because of 3, and in my opinion 3 does way more cool things with it since that game was actually designed with them in mind. 1 & 2 just had them slapped on and it's nice, even if it somewhat breaks the intended lock-on oriented combat.
>>318074038
This.
>>318074059
This kid.... baka
>>318073908
The backtracking didn't translate quite well to 3D; in the 2D ones it emphasized your seclusion and solitude by having you dig ever deeper in an expanding labyrinth whose individual parts didn't warrant much mention (the point was the whole).
In Prime, the individual parts seemed to be more of the focus rather than how they fit into the whole, and so going through all of them again and again got a bit tiring.
Based on having only played the first, that's what I think went wrong. It was still a cool game, and I'm looking forward to the rest.Did they really have to shove 3 of the most annoying and tedious-to-fight enemy into every goddamned room during the Artifact hunt, though?
>>318079230
Literally the purpose of Metroid.
>>318078792
Underage detected.
2>1 >>>>>>>>3
Beam stacking was absolute shit, Hyper mode was TOO good for the cost (1 full health tank. You got that back from killing the enemies you used HM on)
2 won out over 1 very slightly for the different beams, the boss fights (Quadraxis was fun as fuck) and the music. Torvus Bog a best.
>>318073908
Definitely not the soundtrack. Definitely not the story. Only complaint is the amount of backtracking, which I actually kinda liked, and the dark world dealing damage outside safe zones. Other than that, what actually did go wrong?
>>318082474
>>318082690
I agree that the controls go from "means to an end" to "show off the system", but it's still much cleaner than the GCN controllers. I love them to death, but moving your hand with the screen just feels RIGHT.
Lock-on is a feature that works nicely in a sci-fi game. Homing in on foes is a feature I'd expect from a high tech suit of armor, and Prime delivers.I still love the use of motion controls for grabbing the power cells.
>>318083357
Wait, maybe I misunterstood. Was OP talking about what went wrong with Metroid SINCE MP2?
>>318076808
I liked the scans bruh
>>318083357
Fucking Christ, why is the Prime 2 Varia Suit so sexy?
>>318073908
Nothing went wrong, it was a spin-off trilogy that was wildly popular and ended on a high note.
You know what's wrong? Faggots thinking we need 9-12 games in the same series until no one wants it anymore. That's wrong.
>>318083553
Probably cause the most recent incarnation looks like a cheap plastic toy.
>>318083742
I can't get over that it looks like a Gi-joe.
>>318083553
Just enjoy it to the fullest extent, anon
>>318083742
But it's always been great. Like in Prime 1 I liked the Gravity and Phazon suits more. Prime 2 though, I like Varia more than the Dark and Light suits. I think it's the glossy finish or something, but Prime 2's Varia Suit is likely my favorite rendition of the suit period.
POST
FAVOURITE PRIME
FAVOURITE SUIT
FAVOURITE BEAM
FAVOURITE THEME
>>318073908
Got rid of any good platforming or even enemy platforming to be shoehorned in a popular genre like odd world. It also has no speed or jumping power ups so essentially Samus is weaker
>>318080945
Dark pirate commandos in prime 2 are worse.
>>318083991
>FAVORITE PRIME
2.
>SUIT
Light Suit hands down.
>Beam
Light. Burning shit was too much fun.
>THEME
???
>>318083991
1
PHAZON
PLASMA, WOULD BE ANNIHILATOR IF IT WAS AMMOLESS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuPJm2XQT0A
>>318075901
>sales indicate quality
top lel my son, top lel
>>318084210
>That music
Fuck yeah this nigga knows whats up.
>>318083991
2
Dark Suit
Plasma beam, but in MP2 I'd say Dark beam because light is meh, and annhilator used 2 ammo, and Im ocd
Torvus fucking Bog
>>318084010
>no jumping power ups
Prime 1 had Space Jump Boots, 2 and 3 had that and the Screw Attack, the latter of which let her wall jump in certain areas.
>>318083991
1
Phazon or PED
Plasma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nMFLquJeCc
>>318084210
Its me, >>318084449
I love you.
>>318084528
speaking of screw attack, anyone else found it weird you get that in the middle of the game in prime 3 and get the spider ball on the last fucking planet?
>>318083991
1
Light -knees
Nova
Skytown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P7jdnU06ew
I love Prime threads, they're chill
Moeblob in Alan Wake.gif
>>318084608
>>318073908
The console they were released on. This spinoff/franchise with proper KB+M would be splendid. Also can't enjoy first person games at 60FOV
>>318078416
>Fusion
Here's your (You)The atmosphere was trash
>>318083991
>Prime
1
>Suit
Gravity or Varia
>Beam
Ice
>Theme
Rundas
>>318082474
>yfw Metroid will be saved when Nintendo makes their VR unit
>>318084978
Level design was pretty fantastic for a more straightforward action adventure though. I disagree on the atmosphere on the grounds that Fusion's probably the closest to survival horror that the series has ever been. It's different but I wouldn't call it trash.
>>318083991
>Prime 1
>MP2 Varia, Light, Dark
>maybe Dark Beam?
>Shit nigga, that's hard, the whole series had great music.
>>318085373
>survival horror
Here's your (You) again
>>318085465
I'm a different person than that guy but okay.
