I'll admit it, The Old Hunters DLC is the hardest thing I have ever experienced in video games. I am losing my mind.
This guy and his afterbirth jojo are fucking unbeatable.
>>318062942
Shit meme game.
Is it really that bad?
I just got to Ludwig and he doesn't seem very tough.
>>318063010
oh, /v/
It's a real shame how easy Lady Maria is since you can stunlock her like most common enemies.
Similar with Orphan of Kos. Parry 2 win.
Fuck Laurence though. That was a god damn mess.
NG+ right?
I died to this once in NG, Laurence 2 or 3 times. Beat the others first try.
Is it viable to use the starting axe the whole game? I suck with kirkhammer hammer form is too slow for me so I suck with it. Only best cleric beast and father guacamole
Probably, I used the cleaver for the whole thing.
>>318063208
All weapons are viable.
In fact, the axe is considered one of the best items in the game. Or was, I don't know how the meta has changed with the updates and DLC.
>>318063042
Imo Kid Kos is the hardest boss in any of the "souls type" games
>>318063380
Thanks mate. The game definitely has a nice feel to the combat. I keep pressing triangle to 2 hand like a tard and wasting syringes, but they are common as fuck.
>>318062942
You can stun lock him better with the saw blade
>>318062942
He is weird, first run I one shot him, next run I died 6 times
Some tips; stay on his ass, you can just walk around a lot of his first phase attacks and backstab him, you can also parry his crazy chains
When he enters second phase lead him in to the ocean, you can easily dodge the lightening there after his scream and there won't be anything obstructing you
When he throws his hubba bubba at you, never dodge in to him, but back - otherwise he can land all 3 and get one shot
OP here, JUST BEAT HIM!
Got to his second form and noticed I he was at 1/4 hp and I had lots of vials, started cheesing by always having full health. Choked hard as fuck but somehow finally managed to beat him, 12 or so hours later.
>>318063918
12 hours = memory leak , does not count!
>JK
Congratz
So where do you go after kos?
>>318065745
Nowhere, that's the end of the DLC.
Being able to parry bosses was a mistake
>>318062942
>100% meme difficulty
I found Ludwig pretty challenging.
Living Failures were just that.
Maria was pretty okay but parry to win and i just lost a few times from panicking/running out of ammo one time cus repeater pistol.
I have 2 tries so far on Orphan but haven't went on cus 1 try i had like 10 vials and the other i just failed.
Orphan seems very manageable i just need to go get some more vials before i attempt.
Laurence was fuck though. I should've hugged his left leg from the start though honestly but he two shotted me so many times those fire hitboxes are giant when combined with clerics already big arms and his AI was much more aggressive.
He took me like 12-15 tries but i didn't hug his leg until the last 3. Holy shit i'm rusty as fuck at games and something like him should've seemed easier especially since i've been through Master Ninja like 10 times in the past but fuck he put my through hell.
>>318063137
what level were you, and did you have chalice gems?
>>318063918
>hardest thing
>beats him same day
yeah, right
>>318066412
ya Laurence was pretty much the only boss i truly had problems with since i couldn't really attack him from the back. The orphan was alright all you really had to do is actually fight him really close and time every attack right. Maria was like orphan but a bit more challenging and Ludwig with some summons was easy.
Stop being double niggers and play the DLC as intended. Tricked beast claws only.
>>318066778
>Ludwig with summons was easy.
>Using summons the first time
Cmon man any boss is easy if you have something to continually distract it.
>>318066507
not him but i beat it in ng+ and i will say nothing is harder than that fucking shit of chalice bosses killing me in literally 2 hits, and im level 125.
>>318062942
They can't be worse than EbrietasCan they?
>>318066939
well i know but it was right before the boss entrance so i didnt care, plus i know that he isnt that hard compare to the chalice beasts.
>>318062942
>Bloodborne >"Hard"
>Ludwig >"Hard"
>>318067216
its actually challenging if you don't over level yourself like a retard and don't have coop or summons.
>>318062942
>Want to get the DLC
>Started a NG+ playthrough a few months ago and never finished it
>Don't want to start a new character to get to the DLC
>Stuck in purgatory
>mfw
Beat Ludwig last night ng+ his sword is pretty disappointing
>>318062942
difficulty wasn't what made DaS good though
>>318067454
>Don't want to start a new character to get to the DLC
Why not? It's only like ~4 hours to get to the correct level.
>>318067154
>Instead that hard compared to the Chalice beasts.
I found Ludwig to be equally hard as headless BLB honestly but in a better way because he didn't have that abysmal camera.
>>318067216
>Big moveset
>Takes small damage
>Murders you in 2-3 hits usually 2
>Not challenging.
What is hard to you then friend?
how the fuck do I get past ludwing in NG+, everything is literally a damage sponge
God damn, Orphan is pushing my shit in. Only NG too
>Trying to progress in NG+3
>Doing pretty good so far after axe man
>Make it to Ludwig
>First boss, can't be too hard right?
>Get charged at and one hitted
>mfw
>>318063642
>but they are common as fuck.
Say that again when you're throwing yourself at Ebrietas or OP's pic.
Seriously m8, save those things up.
>This thread
Holy shit bunch of scrubs
ok so since i finished the old hunter dlc what is the official level people stop at to pvp and summon each other? i hate being at a level higher or lower than what people are, last time i knew about the level cap was 120 but that was for darksouls 1 and i think 2.
>>318063042
>>I just got to Ludwig and he doesn't seem very tough.AH....SO YOU WERE BY MY SIDE THE WHOLE TIME
This is like the time I took on Fume Knight for the first time on NG+4.
>>318068150
I don't think there is a set meta for PvP.
For summoning, the game scales you down to the host's BL, so you should always be able to get summoned as long as someone is in the area wanting help.
>>318067816
>getting hit
>using armor
>having leveled up
>using weapons
>using a controller
All those Plebble Flintstones in this thread.
>>318068234
second phase is a lot easier than first phase to be honest
>>318063882
How do I backstab him? I know it's R2, but do I need to charge it fully?
>>318068547
>using armor at all
>in any Souls game
Haha!
>>318068756
there's no reason to not use armor in bloodborne since it doesnt slow you down
>BUT I'M SO HARDCORE AND I WANT TO LOOK LIKE A FAGGOT
>>318068894
I know anon and that's why I like it. Just pure fashion.
>>318069053
Speaking of fashion, what's your favorite new set from the DLC, /v/?
>>318068336
Jesus Christ the fume knight
I don't understand. On paper he should be that hard and watching someone else fight him makes him seem pretty easy but he tore my ass asunder time and time again
None of the other DLC bosses took me more than like 3 tries other than the two cats and that shit just feels plain unfair
>>318067629
Level up some more, get a weapon that uses the gems that best suit its stats, and gather more gems.
>>318069151
he gets triggered hard if you try to use estus flask
>>318062942
took 4 tries, once you figure out his shitty swing patterns is cake.
>>318069151
It felt great slowly learning all his moves though. You go from getting rekt to dodging everything.
I think it became so ingrained in me that I could go and fight him now with no trouble.
Hahahaha nice DLC assholes. Literally unplayable poorly coded artificial difficulty mess. Complete waste of $20!
>>318066018
Bosses being parryable, and being able to parry bosses are two different things.
I have phase 1 pretty much down, phase 2 wrecks me though
Ludwig finally broke DSP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMPwq6Wj6X4
>>318070491
Damn I hate those overpriced, gigantic, silly-looking "gamer" headphones. Every single fucker using facecam has one of those.
>>318070491
Does DSP play these games for the views or does he legitimately enjoy them despite being complete garbage?
>>318070491
>those tear eyes in the prologue video
lmao
>>318070491
He should have just summoned Valtr. Ludwig fucked my shit up so many times until I switched from Henriett to Valtr.
>>318070767
Views. He usually completes the new (Souls) games that have been released even if he gets stuck at some part. Only in DLC's he just doesn't give a shit anymore if things don't go his way from the start.
I think he legitimetaly enjoyed DaS2 because of lightning spells which allowed him to just cheese every encounter without any issue
>>318071163
he used the dupe glitch in bloodborne to get to like level 90 in the beginning of the game
>>318069821
RNG bullshit! Augh auhg augh agh!
>>318070767
theyre his bread and butter so he only plays them for the views. channel is on its last legs tho
>>318071608
Rightly so. Faggot just cancels every event he has scheduled resorting to some bullshit excuse every time. And then he can't even finish some of his games because "I'm not having fun!"
I just don't get his fans who actually fucking donate to this sperg.
>>318070491
Drawing of Ludwig doing a backbreaker on DSP a la Bane when?
Moonlight is good for arcane builds.
>>318071495
>>318069821
Except DSP literally said that he wasn't criticizing the game itself or the developers for his opinion on the DLC. he just said it was too hardcore for him.
>>318070491
>Fighting him right up against the walls instead of trying to get out into the open
Theres your problem
>>318070491
>doesn't heal when he staggers him
>standing directly behind him
>mashing R1 like a tard
>fighting locked on most of the fight
>not healing once his summon has aggro of attacking from a distance/using hunter tools
>healing RIGHT NEXT to the boss
>not rolling or dashing through the attacks
>hurr, only the most hardcore could do this!
No one to blame but himself
>>318072609
he called the boss uninspired, cheap shit that's just boring and tedious to fight against and wondered how they could release such a boss
also something about "rng"
>>318068756
>counting on fast roll in DaS
>I need le i-frames XD
>>318069132
Old Hunter garb is very nice.
And TheWandering Samurai outfit. Gonna do a NG+ Chikage build with it on.
>>318071095
He didn't grab the Valtr rune so he couldn't summon him.
>>318072869
Weirdly enough, the only times he was able to go into phase 2 was when he fought him right agains the walls.
>>318070491
>>318070491
Can you roll through the big wave he unleashes after raising the sword above his head?
>>318070491
>You have to learn and grind and ;earn and grind
>I have better stuff to do
[BITCH TEARS INTENSIFY]
>It should be the final boss! It's bullshit! It's crap, I don't care
>You only beat it if you have played the game multiple times
>>318074181
To be fair, if he had beaten him with some miracle he would have ragequited on Kos anyway.
>>318062942
I don't think it's the hardest thing ever, it's mostly just endurance test. Instead of splitting up boss fights they just require you to do them one after another. Oh sure you can't fuck up as much but it's not like the enemies patterns are difficult to figure out. You just have to be consistent. I just prefer difficulty to be in short bursts not long drawn out redo boredom.
>>318073579
Please respond.
>>318073579
just run behind him before he casts it
you get like 10 free hits on him
>>318073020
Actually healing next to a boss is sometimes more beneficial than away from them in Bloodborne. So many bosses have huge AOE long ranged attacks that just dodging and healing behind/next to the boss is better. Otherwise it's pretty right I would assume.
>>318073160
He's not wrong. I mean, it's not that difficult in comparison to other stuff from the series. But it's literally just an amalgamation of fuck... Just lazy design.
>>318062942
I did it with 10vit, you just have to try harder and learn his moves
Take a break once in a while, in his first phase stick to his left (your right)
>>318063918
>cheesing by always having full health
you mean playing safe and sensibly?
>>318074993
I don't think it's lazy at all.
Ludwig has the most unsettling design of anything in Bloodborne, in my opinion. And it's in part due to how he's an "amalgamation of fuck."
>>318074525
I mean he did admit that he was glad he quit when he did. If all the bosses were like that, which they are he would have lost his mind anyways. Which is fine with me. I don't get why any of you give a fuck whether he "bitches out" or not. It's his choice, you made yours and no one gives a fuck.
>>318074993
Yeah I hate agreeing with DSP on anything, but the last thing Bloodborne needed was another four-legged swipey screaming beast boss.
I like the lore around him though.
>>318074887
I've never had to do that except with ebrietas, and even then it's not that advisable because of that soul ray thing she does, makes it hard to judge when she will fire.
I'm getting this game next week.
What are the hardest and easiest boss fights in it?
>>318075228
>another four-legged swipey screaming beast boss.
he's got more than 4 legs though
>>318074525
I have a feeling he wouldn't make it past the whale/shark guys.
>>318075307
Find out on your own, you bitch.
>>318074993
I agree on the first phase, but when he pulls out his sword the fight goes helluva lot better IMO
>>318075307
Play the game
If you look at a guide or summon you're scum.
anyone got the picture of bloodborne being the only game on the shelf? i need it
>>318075142
Unsettling... for no reason. It has no literal reason to look like that. Cool for looking creepy i guess but no one cares. This isn't a horror game. It's an action game with alien invaders morphing people. I just don't buy him looking like that when everyone else turned into werebears, turned bigger, etc. Something more logical than that. Best transformation of a "boss" will always be the blind man I thought I could kill so easily.
>>318075337
Whatever m8.
>>318075307
Mid-game ones are the easiest.
>>318068739
this desu senpai. Beat him on the first try I got on to 2nd phase
>>318075337
But he literally operates like all of the other 4-legged things just with multiple arms.
>>318075358
I can stand by that at least. It could have just been that as the boss and then change the moveset and speed halfway through.
>>318075463
>>318075496
I know Logarius, celestial emissary, witch of hemwick, and micolash are joke fights. Anything else besides that?
>>318075639
Right. The second phase is bretty gud though 2bh.
>>318070491
I think I finally understand why people watch this guy, his misery is exquisite.
>>318075747
logarius is far from a joke fightyou are right about the others
>>318075747
>logarius
>joke fight
Oh are you in for a fun time.
>>318075747
>logarious
>joke
Also enjoy getting your anus shredded by a call beyond on NG+
>>318075882
Atleast he has gotten better since DaS. It was just fucking pathetic. I don't think anyone could finish watching that PT.
>>318075747
>Logarius
Make sure you leave your console on for 12 hours beforehand then.
Mergo's wetnurse is pretty easy tbqh.
I wish all enemies looked nightmarish after you beat Rom.
>>318070491
To be fair, hes on NG+.
>>318075493
>Unsettling... for no reason. It has no literal reason to look like that
It is for a reason.
I forget which item description this comes from, but one describes how the more holy a man, the more terrifying the beast he becomes is. Ludwig was one of the first members of the Healing Church, so it makes sense for him to be so abhorrent.
You can say that it's not a good design, but he does look crazier than other beast bosses for a reason.
>>318068547
>posting
>breathing
>existing
plebbest of the pleb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RzA_Oomra8
Its just so fucking good.
>>318069132
Brador's Set.
Too bad being in Beast Mode removes your headgear or it would be perfect.
>>318075493
You are an idiot. Please learn about the lore before posting stupid shit.
>>318070491
someone should of told him about valt or vaitr or whatever the hell the other npc summons name.
>>318070491
Knew this would happen. He doesn't want to start a new character, and even if he did, he would have to grind gorillion levels to compensate for his lack of skills and weapons + the fact that DLC is pretty fucking challenging. And NG+ is just too hard for him.
>>318062942
At best I can get him to half health.
It feels fucking impossible with whirlgig saw.
>>318070491
He just didn't look like he understood the second half of that fight. He tried facetanking the boss even though Ludwig has a gigantic fucking sword.
He ran away when Ludwig powered up his OHKO attack, rather than getting behind the boss.
He always tried to heal directly in front of Ludwig, the wondered why he was still getting hit.
He just did not understand that fight at all, not once did he try to flank Ludwig's second form or attack from the rear. He decided to face the building sized sword straight on.
>>318077150
I just used untricked version and parried his ass. Always got my ass beaten with the saw attached.
>>318077190
>He tried facetanking the boss
Thats literally all he does in every single Dark Souls boss.
>>318075747
>Logarius
>Joke
DOHOHOHOHOHO
>>318077253
this happened more than anything in Bloodborne playthrough. he just bruteforced everything with Ludwigs Meme Blade, and this time it worked pretty well taking rally in account
>>318077487
it worked well because he was way overleveled from duping blood
>>318062942
This guy is nothing compared to Defiled Watchdog.
The soloing the Chalice dungeons is the hardest part of ANY souls games apart from LMAO TWO CATS in the DSII DLC
>Bloodborne is hard!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhaHcIchIY4
>>318076248
>You can say that it's not a good design
I think its good design and its persistent throughout the whole game. There are some really cool details by just looking at enemies. For example the new Bloodletter weapon and the old Bloodletting beast. When you stab yourself with it what you are doing is killing the vermin worm inside you. Its like a cleansing thing. The Bloodletting beasts has a giant hole on his back and a worm inside him. Whoever the BLB was must have been a really holy man or hunter who tried several times to stab him and get rid of the worm but it was too late for him and went mad. The release turned him into that fuck huge beast.
>>318077662
>watch his fresh BB pt
>he's doing alright
>gets ass handed couple of times in Nightmare Frontier but nothing too bad
>is level 40 or so before quits his session
>come to the next part and see he's level 97
>lose interest completely
nice job gutting his viewers completely
>>318078041
>max level
>best gems in the game
>runes spent entirely on visceral damage
>beast blood pellets
>bone marrow ash
If anything, it just shows you can cheese the game if you really really want to.
>>318078041
Oh god is this faggot again shilling his videos with level 500 characters and 99 stats on everything.
Should you go for the kill on a boss during co-op or let the host take it?
Are the "corpses" in the first area of the nightmare hunters?
>>318071163
>that moment when his lightning bolts bounce off the mirror knight
>>318079237
I always try to let the host take the kill. Corpses look like messengers to me.
>>318062942
I really love this game but 1 shot kills are not fucking difficult just really annoying and I wish they would think the boss fights through instead of throwing it around like always.
Dark souls had fun balanced boss fights with a shield
Now all you have is a gun that CANT FUCKING BLOCK OR DO SHIT FOR DAMAGE AND MOST OF THE BOSSES CANT BE PARRIED
Seriously what the fuck is the point.
>>318079237
I've had too many times where the host has been shit and just died in the last two minutes. I'm normally good enough to dance around the boss and weather it down with some back-up from the host.
If they're blatantly using me to kill the boss for them, and hiding somewhere, I'll refuse to fight and probably try and invade the guy next time if I'm feeling salty.
>>318071095
Where's Valtr?
>>318079350
>I always try to let the host take the kill
Same, it just seems people hesitate when the boss is near death sometimes.
>>318079412
the gun actually interrupts all bosses single attack on the dlc, and you can proper parry 2 of them.
>>318062942
>orphan of Kos
Kosm fags btfo
>>318079594
>orphan of Kos
some say Kosm
>>318079287
>first boss he can't just throw ten lightning spears in and call it a day
>throws a huge fucking tantrum about how bullshit unbalanced unfun boss it is and fucking from who made this obstacle in my way
>>318079237
I believe the underground corpse pile is where the church hid all their failed or dead experiments with blood healing, like if they died during the experimentation the research hall would just chuck them down there so no one would find them.
ng+3 lvl59 painstakingly suffer through most bosses.
>my fucking face when I run up against the orphan
just came here to post lady maria is a fucking qt, thanks.
>>318070491
I don't get it, he was doing actually ok for the first half, then just started acting retarded in the second.
>>318075493
It's a dream everything is possible you stupid faggot.
There is literally no reason for him NOT to look the way he does.
>>318080168
Why 59?
>>318070491
hahaha what a fucking manchild. I beat him on 6th try
>>318070491
what's that weapon he uses?
>>318070491
He's not familiar with both movesets of his weapon, what a moron.
>>318082674
he's not familiar with anything but R1 spam
>>318068748
Yes. You have to hit enemies in the back with a maximum charged R2, then you walk up and tap R1 to backstab. It's essentially the same thing as parrying and doing a v. attack, except you R2 their back instead of shooting them just before they land an attack.
>>318081138
I just started playing and the last time I played was when the online was so broken that the only way to get invasions was to be really low leveled.
Now I'm just being stubborn
>>318076239
but hes such a high lvl he can take so many hits before dieing
How does this compare to the other Souls games in difficulty?
As a reference I found Dark Souls to be the hardest, but it also wasn't as fair as Demon's, notably in the second half
>>318084728
depends on how you play, I always made knight builds and just used the shield so bloodborne raped me for a good 10 hours before I got things down.
>>318084728
most people find bloodborne the hardest, from what i've seen
>>318084880
this
my first build in Dark souls 1 was heavy as fuck knight with bulkiest shield available
I was a literal tank that blocked everything and moved as fast as a snail, so I never learned to dodge properly
I almost could not take the assbeating that Cleric beast gave me in BB but eventually I adjusted this new and better playstyle
>>318084942
I'd say Dark Souls 2 is by far and away the hardest, but that's mainly artificial difficulty and bullshit like shockwaves, ganksquads and awful, awful hitboxes.
>>318075747
Why did you even buy the game if you already know all of it?
>>318075747
Logarius, Ebrietas and chalice dungeon Bloodletting Beast were the hardest bosses in the main game imo.
Any anons need help with the DLC bosses? I helped a couple anons with Ludwig and Kos yesterday, more than happy to help out others.
>>318084657
Lvl 115 with shitty stat allocation is overleveling NG+ DLC now?
>>318065745
the DLC's secret bossKosm
>>318086129
grant us eyes, grant uss EYES. AWOOOOOO
>>318075747
Logarius was the hardest for me, no joke, he is brutal.
>>318086376
>fishing hamlet
>located in the Nightmare Frontier, on the shore of an eldritch ocean
>surrounded by swampland
THE GRAND LAKE OF MUD, HIDDEN NOW FROM SIGHT!
>>318075493
>bloodborne isn't a horror game
and yet, it puts more effort into being unsettling and/or unnerving than most "horror (aka jump scare)" games that come out nowadays
>>318085875
I could really use help with Kos if you don't mind. Password is kosm, sitting outside the boss door.
Laurence is the most bullshit boss ever. Even more than Ludwig.
What the fuck were they thinking? Memes killed the Soulsborne series.
>>318070491
What happened to Ludwig?
>>318087796
Daily reminder that this guy beat the shit out of you after just being birth and with his mother placenta
>>318087796
beasthood
>>318062942
Killed every boss on my first try aside from Laurence. I died about 8 or 9 times to that nigger.
>>318088224
he was born a while ago
he just crawled back in his mom's uterus to sleep
>>318088224
>After just being born
He's old as shit.
>>318088507
What's Kosm doing there anyway?
ok fuck this hunter at the Forbidden Woods lamp.
I wanted to start a new character for the dlc but this guy is pushing my shit in constantly.
I just don't get it. I'm not leveled enough for Hunter's Nightmare, but I can't even start Forbidden Woods because of this faggot.
>>318088614
Being dead.
She died from the parasites and washed up on the fishing village shore. Then the villagers started fucking with it and then the scholars started fucking with them pissing of The Orphan and Maria.
The real question is how the hell Kos got there to begin with. In order to summon a Great One Mensis (and presumably the other ancient civilizations) had to do shit like perform mass sacrifice rituals in order to bridge the nightmare and reality.
As far as we know Kos just sort of washed up with no magic or any bullshit. Then again I guess she could have been old as fuck living at the bottom of the body of water or some shit.
>>318088224
>implications
Orphan of Kos has been inside that belly for a long-ass time. his inability to leave his mother's side is shown in the fact that his essence sticks around EVEN AFTER you kill his body. It refuses to let things go, and return to the ocean like it should (hence the unrelenting curse of beasts that is unjustly punishing the people in Yharnam for the sins of their ancestors)
Furthermore, notice how the Orphan drags, like, half of Kos's body out with it when it emerges. It's very obviously been in their for quite a bit longer than intended
>>318063208
Every weapon is viable, but the hunter's axe boasts one of the best movesets in the game in addition to the dramatically higher rally it has compared to pretty much every single weapon except the burial blade scythe mode.
>>318087237
OK I can come help now if you're still there
>>318068748
>>318083637
Augur of Ebrietas works as well. Generally faster than charging an R2 and also acts as a backstab since the buff in the last patch.
>>318088507
>>318088548
That's why Orphan has trouble breathing when he comes out of Kos and has to do like babies do to be able to breathe I suppose?
>>318088995
Someone just did it with me, thanks anyway bro
>>318088836
Kos just seems to be a Great One that just so happens to be aquatic, I guess.
I think the timeline is
>Byrgenwerth shows up
>fucks with fishpeople
>makes Rom
>Orphan gets pissed, flees with village into the Nightmare, curses Old Blood that Yharnamites use as revenge
>years pass
>choir and mensis start exploring the Nightmare
>choir sets up labs in the Frontier
>start experimenting on people
>Maria is in charge (or at least in the inner circle)
>the find the fishing village
>Maria becomes disgusted with what she's done
>tosses her weapon
>makes a pact with the Orphan like Gehrman did with the MP
>becomes host of the Hunter's Nightmare
>sucks in blood-addled hunters, ensures that any future hunters join the party
>they murder the local choir staff
>nobody can get past them to get to the research labs or the village
>victims are safe
>>318089047
Wait, wait.
Hold the fuck up.
Augur can trigger backstabs? Seriously?
>>318089053
It acts like a baby because it refuses to act like anything more than a fetus inside his mother and literally never left the womb for X amount of years.
Who is the better Old Hunter, Gehrman or Maria?
Who has a better boss fight?
Who had a harder life?
>there are people ITT who didn't fight Kid Kos in the water with lightning paper for increased dps
Hardest boss I ever faced for sure and I've played every soius game.
I had to grind out to level 70 to beat it. The second form just shits all over the place and fucks with the camera.
>>318089310
Of course.
The Beast Claws lunge while using eh Beast Rune also triggers backstabs.
>>318089371
I thought the Orphan had 9999 bolt resistance
>>318089330
What about the fact he evolves right in the middle of the fight? His voice even changes when that happens. He could have evolved inside the womb.
>>318089310
Yip. They increased the speed and enabled it to parry and cause backstabs. I'm constantly using it of late.
>>318089526
if it was a "true" newborn Great One as you say, it would have dropped an Umbilical Cord. It's fully grown, and thus doesn't have one
>>318070698
just to make sure, you're not hating on over-the-ear headphones, are you? because that would be stupid?
>>318089769
It has a bloody umbilical cord sticking out of its chest, you retard. This may well be where the "third umbilical cords" (which is a mistranslation - Jap says "third OF AN umbilical cord", which makes far more sense) comes from.
ok wait
who's the guy that fucked Kos to get her pregnant?
>>318066507
98, three 16% damage increase gems I believe
>>318089186
I don't think any research ever actually happened inside the nightmare. I think we're making some big assumptions that the Fishing Hamlet and the Research Hall in Nightmare Frontier are both real places that got warped into a nightmare dimension but I'll accept it. However I'm fairly convinced that once the Micolash nightmare happens Maria has long since faded away into her nightmare and thus precedes that. In addition the Orphan thing probably has to happen almost at the same time because we haven't seen anything where you can have a nightmare dimension without a host first.
So while the specific don't matter it's
>Byrgenwerth fucks with fish people
>They do experiments on both the fish people and research hall patients
>Maria and Orphan make Hunter's Nightmare
Hell I think she basically has to predate even Gehrman making his nightmare since the Doll is probably Gehrman's and that could only be the result of his waifu leaving him first.
So really
>Maria makes her dream
>Gehrman makes his
>LONG ASS TIME
>Mensis achieves a dream with Micolash
>>318070491
Ludwig has way too much HP.
The transformed version of this is such a fucking garbage. I regret spending 8 blood chunks on that shit.
>>318090067
>I'm going to get super rude and aggressive for no reason at people who are trying to have a polite conversation
ok champ
furthermore, he doesn't have an umbilical cord, I'm looking at the fight right now and I see no such thing -- if you want to claim otherwise, point it to me. Regardless of whether it's called an "umbilical cord" or "third of an umbilical cord," all other Great Ones that are stated to be infants drop them when they die, no matter what their models look like. The fact that the Orphan does not, is strong evidence to suggest that it's a lot older and developed than you seem to think
>>318090675
Where did this "Orphan is really old" come from?
Even if it was thousands of years old that doesn't mean the thing was up and walking around previously. Which for all intents and purposes makes it a newborn since it has had no time to develop.
I mean is there actual proof it was doing stuff outside the womb prior to your arrival?
>>318090227
Maria can't have made her nightmare before Gehrman, Gehrman is the first hunter, and him making a pact with the MP is what kickstarted his career as a hunter.
the way I see it, Maria disappeared into the Nightmare with the Choir, and never came back, so Gehrman assumed that she died or knew she was otherwise lost forever, and made his waifu to compensate.
And we do have an example of a nightmare realm existing without a host -- the Lecture building. when Nightmare planes merge with reality, shit gets outright sucked in or copied -- like a moving/copying files in a computer -- all the time
>>318076029
I'm happy someone else said this. Cause I beat Mcdonalds or Micolash w/e u wanna call him first time. Came back through on NG+ and it is like he started spamming that attack and all of sudden I was respawning. It took off a lot of health.
Old Hunters is the hardest part of bloodborne by far. The hunters are vicious, and take off huge chunks of health and the attacks stagger all the time. It makes fighting them great fun but its also kinda scary.
Did they update the chalice dungeons? I'm hopin for some new bossess and stuff in the dungeons? I realized that as boring as the dungeons are when you force a run through them, they are fun to go into from time to time to fight bosses. The fighting in BB is great. Just great.
>>318090784
>i have no arguments and will therefore shitpost
>>318091128
>and him making a pact with the MP is what kickstarted his career as a hunter.
Elaborate, this is the first time I'm hearing this idea
>>318091126
This. He might be ''old'' for humans, but that doesn't mean anything for Great Ones. When he got out of Kos, he barely stood on his legs, you could see them shaking a lot.
>>318075951
>>318075987
>>318076029
>>318076160
Did you guys have trouble with Logarius? He took me two tries and i was using the Stakedriver.
>>318091262
"Every Great One loses its child, and then yearns for a surrogate. The Third Umbilical Cord precipitated the encounter with the pale moon, which beckoned the hunters and conceived the hunter's dream." - Abandoned Workshop
umbilical cord description. Laurence, Gehrman and co. lured the MP with a Cord, so they could make a pact with it and form the hunters
>>318075493
>This isn't a horror game.
Bloodborne is the only true Horror game to come out in years. It relies solely on visuals and atmosphere to set the tone without needing to scare you with jumpscares. (which there are 1 or 2 tastefully placed in areas that will build up your tension beforehand)
Bloodborne is totally a horror game
>>318089371
water?
>>318091226
>I realized that as boring as the dungeons are when you force a run through them, they are fun to go into from time to time to fight bosses.
I feel like you're supposed to do each depth at a certain point inside the game, but that point isn't shown enough. Like Depth 1 0/3-1/3 into the game, Depth 2 1/3-2/3 into the game, Depth 3 2/3-3/3 into the game, Depth 4 on NG+ and Depth 5 on NG++.
>>318091126
>>318091340
it's clearly been in the womb longer than intended, disembowling the mother's body -- even pulling out it's skeleton -- isn't something that's meant to happen and is a strong visual cue that it is much bigger than it's supposed to be, which is a hint that it's forced itself to stay in.
In addition, the fact that it's spirit clings to it's mother after death instead of moving on gives off the impression that it was WAY too attached to being inside it's mother's body.
Plus, people like the idea that the Orphan was the one who cursed everyone and made the Hunter's Nightmare instead of Maria, since Kos is dead, and thus would naturally have difficulty doing these things (even if Great Ones don't truly die when they die, they seem to go dormant like Yharnam and Annalise)
>>318063137
yeah did you call yore other 3 friends to help you maybe?
>>318090675
You were offended by that? Seriously? Figured you'd have thicker skin since you're posting on /v/.
He has an umbilical cord, far as I'm aware. Sticks out of his belly button, wraps around him from his left side.Just checked a video to make sure, but I have this practically ingrained into my memory - fought that fucker many, many times before I beat him earlier today.
What's to say the umbilical cord itself (considering the "third of an" thing) isn't his? That the various characters in the game somehow inherited parts of it, in some form or other? Iosefka in her likening to Maria with her experiments, Mergo what with their shared fates as newly born Old Ones, Arianna with her relation to Kos in this instance, having given birth to an elder babby, etc. etc.
>>318091408
But that doesn't imply that the founding of the Hunter's Dream created the proper organization of being "A Hunter". Even within that description it beckoned "the hunters" who clearly existed before Gehrman created his dream world.
You don't need a connection with a nightmare/dream to be a hunter and it's not as if there aren't like a dozen groups of people using the blanket term "hunter" so I don't get where you're getting the idea that Gehrman didn't already have a career as a hunter before the point he makes contact with the Moon Presence and gets his waifu sanctuary.
>>318089395
>>318089712
I went the entire dlc without using it... had no idea.
Damn.
>>318091628
You don't want to do Chalice Dungeons on ngplus though. I did, but that's not a preferable way to go about things. Especially since iirc Bloodletting Beast is in the half health dungeon
>>318091347
Took me four tries, mainly because the first three times I was always looking for parries and he was intimidating to me when he got melee happy, basically, I let him make the first move and paid for it.
>>318091879
non-dream hunters weren't a thing until Ludwig started recruiting the masses, which was a big deal, since all hunters before then were implied to have had a connection to the dream
>>318091695
So there isn't actually proof of it? I figured people were basing this off descriptions and not vaati level assumptions.
>>318075493
>It has no literal reason to look like that.
the more powerful the person, the more powerful their will to resist the transformation, the more horrifying and hideous the resulting transformation eventually is.
one of the earliest items tells you that when the scourge hit, clerics became the most horrifying beasts, and it follows the theme. Cleric Beast, Vicar Amelia, Lawrence, and Ludwig all became the most hideous beasts imaginable.
Ludwig himself actually has a reason specified in his own fight.
His Moonlight Greatsword was his "guiding moonlight". he saw slivers of light that talked to him and kept him sane throughout his hunts.
In fact, the moment his sword enters trick mode, he suddenly regains cognitive human thought, and even stands upright. The sword and it's light was what kept him from transforming, and so when he eventually did transform, he became a horrifying mess that was also likely part ayy-lmao due to the eldritch nature of the sword itself, his second head has eyes lining it's mouth, so not only did he become a beast but he also attained "eyes" from the sword, so he became even more horrifying through it.
>>318090145
A brave hero and inspiration to us all.
>>318092056
>basing things off of visual cues isn't evidence
Miyazaki doesn't tell his stores EXCLUSIVELY through item descriptions, he is a fan of showing, not telling. In the absence of a written confirmation, making arguments based off what you see is perfectly reasonable
>>318091128
>the way I see it, Maria disappeared into the Nightmare with the Choir, and never came back, so Gehrman assumed that she died or knew she was otherwise lost forever, and made his waifu to compensate.
I'm not so sure. Seems likely that Maria committed suicide, what with the given evidence in her boss room and the description of her chosen weapon having been discarded in the well. She probably just felt disgusted with all that she had done and wanted to end it all - Gehrman either made the doll in remembrance out of grief, or made an idealised form of her to get away from the fact that she was the proto-mad scientist of the Choir. Perhaps both.
The nightmare's blatantly the cause of the orphan, evidenced most obviously through how it says the usual "NIGHTMARE SLAIN" when you kill its spirit.
>>318090325
I have yet to really experiment with the entire host of weapons since I don't want to spend the blood chunks.
I've got everything but the pizza cutter so far. Does the Amy Club stagger things like a heavy weapon, and if so, does the whip form do that too?
>>318091917
The Defiled Chalice is harder than the base game, so I don't see why you would do it on NG.
>>318091504
Not to mention the only horror game in a long time to actually put the fear of death in you.
Bloodborne is the best kind of horror game, the kind that let's the horror speak for itself. Instead of some scripted haunted house ride. A person who doesn't find something scary shouldn't have it forced down their throat, it just becomes tedious.
>>318091816
nothing technically stops that, since there isn't any item description that explicitly states otherwise. however, I would urge you to apply Occam's Razor here, since there are multiple possible explanations that all fit the "confirmed" lore. All the explanations you're forwarding to claim that the Orphan isn't old tend to produce more questions than answers
I'm still stuck on Ludwig on ng+4
His first form is easy as shit but his second form just annihilates me.
>>318092171
And you think him gestating for years and even going back in the womb is a bigger visual cue than him simply being born for the first time and being a "newborn"
>>318091347
killed him on my first try ever, I was using Blades of MercyI didn't even know you could destroy the fucking sword so I just absorbed all the shit in me
on my second character I died like 5 times using Hunter's Axe
>>318091504
Going through Old Yharnam for the first time scared the shit out of me. Nope'd so many times.
>>318092437
considering that he(?) is the source of the old-as-fuck Hunter's Nightmare (NIGHTMARE SLAIN), yes I do consider that evidence
>>318091128
>Gehrman is the first hunter, and him making a pact with the MP is what kickstarted his career as a hunter.
I dont think so, that happened after. Remember, the Hunter's Dream workshop is based on the real one in Cathedral Ward, which is where Gherman and his hunters originally worked, until the Church shut them down and set up church hunters instead. At some point gherman was enthralled by the Moon presence, and set up to suck up Hunters to do moon presence's will.
>>318092134
>vicar amelia
>hideous
>>318092767
except that the description of the Yharnam Hunter Set said that no-one tried using "normal" people as Hunters until Ludwig, because normies don't stand a chance against the beasts. this in turn implies that all previous (real) hunters were dreamers
>>318092974
There more to this drawing?
>>318092028
>non-dream hunters weren't a thing until Ludwig started recruiting the masses
Non dream hunters were a thing.
the church originally employed Hunters sort of like assasins. to cut down beasts before things got too messy. Eventually, when old yharnam happened, that was when the scourge hit big time and they burned the place down. From there, The hunter's workshop was closed, Cathedral Ward closed it's doors, and the Church set up their own internal church hunters, the likes of which were people like Ludwig and whatsername the yandere waifu.
>>318092310
if she killed herself in the real world, that would be evidence for her corpse being in the IRL hunter's workshop, not her being dead in the Nightmare (unless she was trying repeatedly to do so there as well).
Personally, I think that she's like Micolash. She portaled into the Nightmare with whatever researchers were in the Nightmare Frontier, and left her body behind -- only she stayed so long that it died without her
>>318092339
the club part is good. But the whip part does shit when it comes to damage, even tho you directly hit the sucker.
>>318093002
I think you're reading too far into that. Normal man can just as easily mean the fact that him recruiting from the general populous to hunt means that it's literally retarded farmers and shop keeps trying to fight instead of people training all their lives to kill shit.
>>318092414
Come now. I refer you to >>318091408, who made a pretty valid point. If Laurence, Gehrman and co. lured the Moon Presence with a cord to conceive the Hunter's Dream, they must have got it from somewhere. I believe they obtained it from the orphan. Makes sense, no?
Even if the orphan is decades, or centuries old - that may mean nothing in elder god years. Time is inconsequential to them. What does the 'age' of it matter? When you get asked for your age, do you tell people your age calculated from when you were conceived, or from when you were birthed from your mother? The orphan's a newborn, plain as day.
>>318093228
how old the Orphan is, from the Orphan's pov, isn't important. the claim that people are making is that the Orphan was in the womb when Byrgenwerth fucked up the Fishing Hamlet, and was responsible for the Curse and for creating the Hunter's Nightmare with Maria
>You must accept your death, be freed from the night.
QUESTION. When Gehrman says this, is it supposed to imply some sort of meta fourth wall break? That the only way for the player to be free from this world is, to quite literally, accept your death and walk away from the game?
Or is it explained in the lore what actually being free from hunting implies?
>>318093228
>Makes sense, no?
No it doesn't. The Church/Mensis/Burgerking were trying for years to get closer to the Great Ones and hybrids were attempted all the time. The two other chords are from random ladies who got space preggers so I don't see why the third chord has to come from The Orphan just because he was around during that time.
I mean fuck there are attempts at Great One babies going back literally to the dawn of recorded history back with Queen Yharnam. You can take a chord from any given point in history.
>>318087237
>kosm
Its fucking Kos REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
