Noone has a problem with bethesda retconning the old fallouts with fo4?
>>318030624
Shut up nerd lo!
Fallout started with 3
>old fallouts
You mean those games nobody played?
they already threw everything out the window with 3
>>318030682
they even retconned that one.
>quest that specifically states ghouls don't need food to survive
What the fuck did they retcon you Obsidiot?
IF Todd decided its the bets thing for the series, than I believe it. the series has to evolve
>>318030624
>Noone has a problem with bethesda retconning the old fallouts with fo4?
Why? The old games are still there and these later games are not made by the same people.
>>318030752
nobody in FO3 needs food, lol
>>318030624
no, because the story is shit, i just play to loot shit and shoot shit
Who cares? Go play those games if you love them so much. Holy shit.
>>318030821
>interpladiot
>>318030897
is this satire?
>>318030624
I haven't played it yet, still have PTSD from Fallout 3 and Skyrim.
>>318030897
Go to bed todd.
>Noone
Fuck off there have been plenty of complaints preceding Fallout 4 since they got the rights.
Fallout would be dead if not for Bethesda.
I love fallout, but am I the only one who absolutely hates vault boy? I find him so irritating.
>>318031027
Better dead than this zombie franchise.
>>318031027
>what are obsidian?
Obsidishits always looking for something to bitxh about. Just get over the fact that Bethesda makes the best fallouts
>>318031062
What do you have against memes?
>>318030624
Just because Fallout is about a universe where oil ran out doesn't mean gas cans shouldn't be found in every other house
>>318031060
>What is jet
>>318030624
Too many glaring problems with the gameplay and lack of RPG elements to even care about the shitty retconning.
>>318031094
Bethesda allowed them to make NV.
>>318030624
They didn't retcon the old fallouts.
So no I don't have a problem with the situation that didn't happen.
>>318030624
no because nobody played/gave a shit about those old games except for turbo nerds
>Fallout, the beloved RPG filled with plenty of immersive details and atmosphere
>who cares about the story i just want to shoot stuff lol
i want reddit to leave
>>318031154
Bethesda outbid Obsidian at the last minute for the franchise you mongoloid
>>318031206
The very first thing you do in fallout 1 is shoot rats in a cave.
It's always been about shooting stuff kiddo.
>>318031172
There are some changes like Jet suddenly being a pre war drug. I don't get the complains about cats when in 2 some girl cries about a lost cat or using power armor without training when pa training was made up in 3
>>318031354
To give you a feel for the combat. It's essentially tutorial m8
>>318031234
Obsidian is a company that gets hired to develop games.
No one would fund them to make another Fallout.
For their own projects they had to resort to Kickstarter like with PoE. Meaning if what you claim is true and they managed to secure the right they would need to beg players for a small budget isometric Fallout game with turn-based combat.
>>318031027
>I don't know the reason for Van Buren's cancellation
>>318030624
It don't matter.
None of this matters
>>318031234
dick move im not buying any more bethesda games now
>>318031206
>i want reddit to leave
As much as I agree with your opinion, this reddit meme shit needs to stop.
>>318031354
RPG first. Shooter second.
>>318031206
>I just wanna shoot stuff
>implying you can even do that when every fucking npc is essential
>>318031354
The first thing you do in Fallout 4 is make your character.
It's always been about making characters kiddo.:^)You also notice that Fallout 4 threads are all about character designs, waifus and pretty settlements
>>318031428
Which would still be better than any game Bethesda has managed to shit out since Morrowind :^)
>>318031356
Those goddamn freefall legs are straight out of Skyrim. They have some kind of mystical power that prevents you from taking fall damage.
>>318031515
This
You could kill kids in the old one. I miss real freedom in games
>>318030624
Considering retconning their own shit is a staple of the Fallout series since Fallout fucking 2, no.
>>318030624
I'm sure Paul doesn't care one way or the other.
>>318031563
>Which would still be better than any game Bethesda has managed to shit out since Morrowind :^)
Doubtful. PoE and Wasteland 2 are both shat on by /v/.
>>318031648
>Wasteland 2
???
>>318030624
>non canon
>retcon
>>318031515
>>implying you can even do that when every fucking npc is essential
Meaning you want main storyline quest character to always show up out of the blue because otherwise you could've killed them.
>>318031563
Oh fuck off, if Obsidian had their way it would have been like their latest games, f2p MMO games.
>>318031356
Cat quest is in Tactics, it's basically non-canon at this point.
>>318030624
I don't give a fuck at this point. I don't care for betheda or new-fallout.
>>318031515
It's funny that you can kill Father the moment you meet him
>>318030943
There are no such thing as "retcons", just shit stories.
>>318030943
Threadly reminder that Dobbs turns to goo because of the biogel and not because of being cryo frozen
>>318031708
Wasteland 2 is not by Obsidian, but by other people from the now gone Interplay. It is a game somewhat similar to Fallout.
It did also not turn out as great as /v/ hoped and is consistently shat on here, just like PoE.
So keep believing this theoretical situation would've resulted in an amazing Fallout game. Stay delusional.
>>318031648
that's because you can't just slap a bid eye camera and shit interface on a game and call it an old school crpg
>>318031027
Bethesda has the money, but not the talent.
>>318031797
No, there is a girl in 2 in IIRC Klamath that claims to have had a cat but it got lost. You get exp for listening to her.
>>318031356
I don't think they ever outright say Jet is pre-war do they?
Plus in the same kinds of places you find Jet, you also find pipeguns and molotov cocktails, obviously post-war creations.
>>318032013
it was implied that it was pre-war, there were terminals that were pre-war that discussed it
>>318032013
There is a terminal about jet shipment to a vault somewhere.
>>318031971
Bethesda has made two Fallout games. The only game worse than theirs is fucking Brotherhood of Steel.
Obsidian has made one Fallout game, and their team had made two others in Interplay. They're the best Fallout games.
But you're right they probably would have made shitty games!
>Assassins Creed launches bugged
>gets nothing but shit for it
>every Bethesda game in the last 10 years launches in terrible shape where the community has to patch and mod them
>"Bethesda charm"
>>318030624
As soon as you build a water pump and throw up a bunch of purifiers in your first settlement you've basically invalidated the plot of Fallout 3.
Don't really expect them to respect the old game when they can't even keep sensible continuity between two of their own games.
>>318032085
>>318032090
Haven't seen this yet, that's disappointing.
Maybe in Fallout 2 they just rediscovered Jet and took credit for it. At any rate it's a very minor retcon.
>>318032090
To be honest, it's not that hard to believe that Myron would have found jet, syntethized it and get all the credit for reviving a prewar drug.
It doesn't excuse their lack of attention to the lore but they're not exactly writing themselves into a corner here.
Fallout lore is a pile of shit. Why do people care about it? If not for Bethesda, Fallout would be a completely dead series.
>>318031091
>more popular than ever
>normies now aware of the series
>referenced on Conan O'Brian
>zombie franchise
LEL
Obsidian will save us in two little years.
>>318032201
I agree, that's why I'm not really complaining. I actually like FO4
>>318032174
You do realize Boston is not Washington, DC don't you?
You must also realize that Megaton and presumably every settlement in Fallout 3 had small scale water purification......right........you're not this dumb right?
>>318032272
Go drink the water in Megaton and come back and tell us.
>>318032174
The thing is.. you can't radiate water
they use it as shielding in reactors, cause you cant radiate it
>>318032201
>>318032192
Jet is made from brahmin shit, it's unlikely to have been possible in the old world. Not to mention they have jet posters that look exactly like Myron's.
>>318032092
>Bethesda has made two Fallout games. The only game worse than theirs is fucking Brotherhood of Steel.
>Obsidian has made one Fallout game, and their team had made two others in Interplay. They're the best Fallout games.
>But you're right they probably would have made shitty games!
So why wasn't PoE as good as Baldurs Gate, Planescape or whatever?
But to be fair, the old Fallouts had complete shit gameplay, it was the script and shit that made them enjoyable.
But it is pretty funny how you think Obsidian would've been able to make a flawless sequel 15 years later when the team isn't even intact.
Also now the key person behind those classic Fallout games has left Obsidian.
>>318032201
>To be honest, it's not that hard to believe that Myron would have found jet, syntethized it and get all the credit for reviving a prewar drug.
Don't give Bethdrones new retarded arguments, please.
>>318032245
Jesus Christ the level of unawareness here.
>Game died.
>Game was resurrected but was stripped of everything that gave it identity before.
>Now everyone is aware of it.
Literally what happens when a no name fatty dies from a strange new cold making the rounds then makes it onto the 11 o'clock news because his corpse is fucking eating people.
>>318032174
FO4 takes place 10 years after the event of FO3.
So water purifiers are a thing.
>>318032385
You can make Stimpaks in New Vegas from a few plants and a syringe. Just because Myron's jet is made from brahmin shit doesn't mean old world jet had to be too.
And the inhaler is irrelevant, of course they'd put neo-jet in inhalers if that's the way the drug is consumed.
Here's how it works: Bethesda makes the engine, and uses marketing to get mass appeal. They get all the jewgolds, and then let another team (like Obisidan) use the tools to make something worthwhile to the actual fans of the game.
Imagine what it's going to be like when a studio that can write a character and a quest for a damn gets to make a game using the FO4 engine and resources?
>>318032385
>pic
That's just fan-art... r-right?
>>318032445
For real though, Fallout NV was leagues better than FO3. But Obsidian couldn't have done it without Bathesda making 3 first.
This game comes out, everyone is amazed and entertained
yet I am still waiting for Yakuza 5 do be released after....3 fucking years
Why are our standards so low?
and no Sega has no plans on releasing the new Yakuza Ps4 games
>>318032554
the engine is crap, the animations are crap
>>318032632
>For real though, Fallout NV was leagues better than FO3. But Obsidian couldn't have done it without Bathesda making 3 first.
What exactly have I been saying in my posts? Are you legit mentally handicapped or illiterate?
>>318032642
>Yakuza 5 was supposed to come out this month
>>318032445
Obsidian work much better when they have a franchise to work with. (Interplay also had nothing to do with Baldur's Gate).
I'm not saying they would have made a flawless game but even PoE or Alpha Protocol shits on any recent unmodded Bethesda game, sorry m8.
>>318032357
>there's nothing but h2o in water you find in the wilderness
You're a special kind of dumb
>>318031971
b- but muh van buren
>>318032529
>You can make Stimpaks in New Vegas from a few plants
I actually liked that they bothered remembering Xander root from Fallout 2
>>318032826
>(Interplay also had nothing to do with Baldur's Gate).
I was talking Fallout here and people from Inxile worked on the Fallout games, like Brian Fargo.
>>318032826
>I'm not saying they would have made a flawless game but even PoE or Alpha Protocol shits on any recent unmodded Bethesda game, sorry m8.
So we would have instead have had the same shitposting how these new Fallout games are shit compared to the old ones. What a world to live in.
>>318032818
I know.. they keep holding it back and they don't even seem to have a marketing department
they will stealth release it on PSN and not say a word
>>318031975
No, she's in the Den, at Mom's restaurant
What bothers me is people shitting out "mods" before even checking if it was already made 5 time.( ie chem retex)
>>318032445
You shouldn't put so much stock into the teams that made the games you like.
Learned that one the hard way recently with a game called Dead State. The game was headed by Brian Mitsoda, who helped design and write the legendary Bloodlines. It's one of the worst rpgs ever created.
COME BACK BLACK ISLE
p-please ;^;
>Marcus Octavius: I loved Fallout. Things die. It is the way of life. All we do is try to find a reason to go on, build it again. I have found mine. Why don't you find something?
>Colin MacLeod: Mine, is to endlessly shitpost and whine.
>Marcus Octavius: I wonder, who is the bigger fool?
>>318032796
I'm agreeing with you you argumentative sperglord.
>>318030624
bethesda (even though obsidian made NV for them) has 3 games out now, so bethesda is the new lore.
there is no retconning fucking reddit retard
>>318035017
Of course theres retconning if they change the lore from the classic games you fucking cunt
>>318030624
No because beth is just showing them how an actually good fallout game should be.
>>318035080
if you care so much about semantics, okay bethesda retcons shit because they can
fallout belongs to them, they decide what the fallout franchise is about not the fo/fo2 nerds
So i installed Fallout yesterday, and I gave up after 15 minutes of playing. The UI is terrible, the controls are idiotic, and the combat system is shit.
Should I try giving it another chance, or just play 3/NV/4 when I get a decent PC?
>>318031141
A colloquial name for a drug that existed before the war with a different name
>>318030624
What the hell it retcon
>>318035745
objectively not correct
>>318035626
just play 3->NV->4 in that order, it gets progressively better/more interesting
>modern bethesda
>relevant
>>318032385
epic fanart
is there more?
>>318031729
Morrowind didnt have any problem with letting you kill everyone
>>318036771
With all the normals they got thanks to marketing ,they're more relevant than ever.
>>318033656
What a great movie, I've watched at least 3 times already and I first stumbled upon it on Greek television, imagine that.
>Implying Interplay wouldn't have retconned a ton of shit had they kept going
Have you seen half of their lore? Basically everywhere but where they set a game got blanketed with a 'nuked to shit, nothing will ever happen here.'
Interplay had dug themselves into a hole.
This is just my stupid headcanon, but I'm putting 3 and 4 in their own universe and the rest of them (except BoS, fuck that) in another one.
Makes 3 and 4 easier to deal with, and not get pissed at every little thing that they changed from 1, 2, and even NV and tactics.
>>318030624
I want to know if the old fallout weapons are retconned or not.
I really want my M72 Gauss rifle and Winchester City-Killer back.
>>318031909
why don't the robobrains and the eyeballs turn to goo then?
>>318030624
it's simple - convince yourself that 3 and 4 are not canon.
or alternatively stop caring about any storyline made by bethesda
>>318030624
No, because FO3 and 4 are non-canon to begin with.
>>318043086
FO2 is non-canon too because it has all the dumb fucking talking animals.
Only canon Fallout is the first one. Everything else is fanfiction made by memelords.
>>318030624
Welcome back to the world of people not in a coma, apparently you entered yours about 7 years ago.
People have been livid about this this entire time.
>>318031435
Not him, but why was Van Buren cancelled? I never pay attention to cancelled games, too depressing.
>>318043610
Black Isle studios was about 90% done with Van Buren (aka fallout 3) when Bethesda purchased the rights to fallout and wiped out the entire studio because reasons. Bethesda was simply another competitor for a succesful series, not its savior.
>>318044491
>these people have the right to vote
>>318030682
yeah and I can't wait for Skyrim 2
>>318044491
this makes me mad
>>318030624
>Noone has a problem with bethesda retconning the old fallouts with fo4?
no. why would you think a video game universe has to be set in stone?
think about what you're asking for: a video game universe, written by video game writers, to be unchanging with each installment
why would you care? why would you want that? they aren't changing "The Old Man and the Sea". They're changing fucking video game shit. It was never written to the level on par with a young adult fiction novel to begin with, you realize that, right?
>>318032174
>water pumped from within the earth would be contaminated by radiation
I'm assuming this is the point you meant to express
do you understand how wrong you are? do you know what an aquifer is?
Can someone explain to me why there is a chinese submarine captain that has been waiting on his fucking bride for 200 years waiting for you to save his ass and do something he could have done in 40 minutes?
Holy shit that made me mad. Even the "hurr you have to go do it yourself not me, even though the ghouls won't attack me!"
Fuck this game.
>>318032642
>everyone is amazed and entertained
>Why are our standards so low?
can't stop to consider that the game is fun, eh? already decided to hate it, aren't going to play it, can't sink yourself to that level after all.
miss out on the fun others are having, moaning about the release of a game that doesn't exist, lol....
>>318039613
There isn't a single classic Fallout ranged weapon in FO3 or FO4.
Not a single one.
>>318035626
you're not going to enjoy playing fallout 1 or 2.
for all the people here who pretend like they're great games, 99% of those people never beat them, 95% of those people never played them.
fallout 1 and 2 weren't good *when they came out*. When fallout 2 was released it was slammed for being the most repackaged assets ever called a "sequel". FO2 has basically no new assets beyond one tile set.
If a company did this today you guys would flip your fucking lids and die of autistic seizures, typing here so hard. Instead, because it's an old game you didn't play, you look upon it with glory. ROFL.
>>318046774
>b-b-but it's fun
good shitposting
>>318046890
What, New Vegas did basically the same and nobody flipped their shit either. It was actually praised for being a much better game than the one it built upon.
>>318046890
nice statistics
>>318046890
go fix your game todd
>>318046964
new vegas includes a loooooot more unique assets than FO2 did.
but this reason is one of the ones I didn't play NV, I hate retreads, and it was retread enough.
>>318044491
>these people are the vast majority of consumers
It's alright.
Way too easy though. Have you done your daily dose of Waifu Purging?
>>318047362
>they clearly spent more time and money on piper than any other companion
>she's supposed to be "the" companion of the game
>so annoying i can barely stand to use her
>backstory i couldn't care less about
>>318047435
Yeah, she's pretty terrible. But so are all the other romantic interests.
>>318030624
>Noone
>>318047724
no way, curie a cute cute CUTE
>>318047829
I purged her just like I purged the others.
>>318047908
Power Armour and Heavy Weapons is laughably easy tier.
>>318048197
>this is what fallout has become
>>318048197
Hell, the Endurance Tree makes the Radiation Zone, The Glowing Sea laughably easy.
>>318048501
I have literally no endurance skills and I spent over an hour in there and got like 1/5th of my health radiated away
all you need is power armour
Only thing they retconned is that jet was around pre-war (Which can fit because Myron seems like the kind of fag to take credit) and they made the power armor source less retarded
>>318048329
Like I said -- The game is laughably easy.
That being said, the "Build" I'm playing is broken. Explosive Affix is broken. Endurance Tree is broken. Combine both and you're a literal god.
Tried to make my own mod to make it harder. It broken my spawn rates.
>>318030752
get with the times, faggot
>>318031909
Except you're wrong, the biogel was used to help revive him, he was put on ice AFTER because of the evacuation.
>>318044491
When bethesda brought fallout back one of the things they highlighted to the extreme is the notion of exploration. That was one of the biggest things people adored about FO3 was the ability to go anywhere and do anything in a setting where that made sense.
New vegas on the other hand was much more linear/on rails than 3 and dialogue was far and above the most important mechanic in the game. Obsidian made a classic fallout game in an era where hardly anyone wants something like that. /v/ are the odd men out here
>>318048593
Endurance Tree makes it so you don't need power armour.
Cryolator is great fun, though.
>>318048751
as is every obsidian game out to date. So whats the problem there, retard?
>>318048952
those ghouls are super slow, nice try fag
>>318048962
No need to be upset, friend.
>>318049075
Didn't say they weren't. Ghouls are the easiest enemies in the game. Just showing off the effects of the Ice Gun.
Hence why I said it was fun.
>>318031909
The "Private Dobbs experiences post-cryogenic syndrome." on your pip boy says otherwise.
>>318048197
>cat companion
mods make games easier? wtf, right???
>>318049340
but I suppose that's late/end game build. They don't go down with one shot most of the time.
>>318048751
This game needs enemies that have multiple damage immunities and spawn in packs that has different enemies with different immunities.
>>318049524
Ammo hack.
>>318039613
The Gauss rifle in Fallout 4 is pretty close to the M72 It uses 2mm EC instead of engergy weapon batteries too.
>>318049524
>They don't go down with one shot most of the time.
Unless you've just exited the vault. I don't know what you're doing, but you're doing something wrong.
Even on Survival this game is a cake walk because every single fucking perk in this game lets you be ridiculously overpowered.
This is two perks both levelled up once. Watch my health bar. No healing items were used. This is on survival with next to no defence and I was a level 20 when there.
>>318046431
A lot of people care because Fallout is an interesting universe but Bethesda just doesn't get Fallout. I mean, fuck, is it that bad to care about story? Changing canon is retarded because nothing of what you do matters then, does it? No consequences at all? A good developer and writer uses the limits they have, and doesn't fucking retcon it to shit.
>>318046735
Poor writing. How many times has this happened? We have Chinese ghouls in Fallout 3. Yeah, they've been there for 200 fucking years. Then we have the Vault-Tec Rep. He has been around, in the same fucking clothes, for over two hundred years. That's like wearing a fucking redcoat uniform to this day. It's unbelievably retarded writing.
>>318050469
There were ghouls that had been around since the war in Fallout 1 and 2, 84 and 164 years, 200 years is no biggie, ghouls live a shitload longer than humans.
>>318048910
ikr, i tcl'd through all those rubbles
>>318046735
I wish for a DLC where we go with him in China.
>>318051296
That's not the problem, that's just what ghouls are like. The problem is ghouls sitting around and not going outside of their smelly basement for two hundred years. Ghouls wearing the same clothing for 200 years. It's stupid.
>>318053253
Everyone is wearing clothes that are nearly 200 years old, hardly anyone is making new shit that isn't brahmin hide or raider patchwork garbage. Vault-tec guy could have had a briefcase of uniforms or got more from a Vault-tec office, in-game it's just an easy way for you to recognize that this ghoul fellow is the Vault-tec guy from the start of the game.
Fallout isn't a realism sim, if everything has to make 100% absolute perfect sense and we can't just handwave some shit for the sake of it being a fucking game then we'd have to hate nearly every game in existence.
