>80 years after the bombs dropped
>People are living in bombed-out cities and constructing huts out of old materials
>200 years after the bombs dropped
>Literally nothing has changed
I admit Fallout never made a tremendous amount of sense, but come on.
You're thinking of Fallout three and four. In Fallout two people generally were living in less shitty villages after two hundred years of progression.
>>318012573
Its called having a theme
Faggot.
The east coast, having the nation's capitol and a number of high priority targets, was bombed much harder than the west coast. As such the damage it sustained was worse and longer lasting, and the two games we've played that take place there take place in and around two cities that got bombed to hell.
>>318012573
Raiders anon its all raiders and Super mutants they keep taking over all the would be establishments.
>>318013298
Look at the ruins of Boston and DC. Hundreds of still standing buildings. More so than even the West Coast.
>>318013416
neutron bombs? idk
>constructing huts out of old materials
Shady Sands buildings are Adobe in Fallout 1 not junk.
Adobe is fine desert building material.
>>318013095
I'd like to interject for a moment, what you are referring to as 'Fallout 3' and 'Fallout 4' are not actually related to the Fallout series despite the name.
In the future, please avoid referring to these games as part of the Fallout series, as it is wholly disrespectful to the true Fallout fans and the original creators. Thanks.
In NV the NCR was making whole new buildings with new concrete.
Unfortunately only in the California area. Vegas still looked like a shithole because the NCR didn't want to build up territory they didn't own yet.
>>318013675
Fallout 3 and 4 are related to the fallout series.
Yeah its 200 years later but cities are back up and a new goverment is forming as the NCR. It just takes a while to get past all of the ruins, and mutated animals
You'll have a lot more fun if you just think of Fallout 3 and 4 as kind of "half canon" spinoffs.
>>318013968
Yep. Think of them in the same universe asthe BoS game
>>318013968
Even ignoring it completely doesn't leave me with anything other than what can only be described as 'Bethesda Games' which are kind of old at this point. You play each one for thirty hours and then its like it all turns to dust and feels hollow.
>>318014057
Is that game worth playing? Out of morbid curiosity, I'd be going in knowing full well what it is, and how shitty it is. But I've seen gameplay videos and I want to try it.
>>318013168
its called Bethesda being absolutely retarded.
>yfw you realize China wasn't actually aiming to nuke America off the face of the earth, and were actually solely aiming to fuck over the Enclave's future plans to reclaim the wasteland after an atomic war they would have instigated anyways even without China's first strike
They aimed for where they knew FEV was with surgical strikes to throw a huge fucking wrench in the Enclave's reclamation plans. Without their release of the FEV there would not be mutations like mirelurks and yao guai and shit like that.
Someone must have saved a screencap of those posts off /fog/, it makes a shitload of sense when you connect the dots
>>318013968
They are canon. Just on the other coast.
>>318014171
I hear it's actually a lot like...what were they. The Dark Alliance games? Or Champions of Norrath? If you're into those, you might have fun bro
>>318013825
>>318014228
thats like saying the dune books written by herberts son are canon
they might be in the legal sense but not to anyone with a half functioning brain
>>318013565
I acutally saw a program on the Science channel that said it would be better to build that way on the moon because of how durable they are.
I just want to remind everyone that there is a perfectly white house sized crater in DC with towering buildings all around it and a nice conveniently completely intact service tunnel attached to it.
>>318014367
>Canon is subjective.
It's not. It's factually canon.
>>318014340
Yeah the gameplay videos were exactly like that, same engine and everything. I do like those games and I know it's bad, I just want to experience it first hand.
>>318014425
do you enjoy eating garbage?
because that is what you sound like right now.
>>318014186
>HURRR WHY ISNT EVERYTING REALITIC
No, you're the retard.
>>318014506
>canon is related to the quality of the product.
The Star Wars Prequels are canon too. Stop misusing the word canon.
How good is Fallout?
I never played any of them before, I like isometric games and old RPGs. Is it worth trying out, or is it just rose tinted glasses?
>>318014430
I don't think the gameplay would be bad, I just think people dismiss it because it shits on the lore a bunch. Which is as good a reason as any, since I would be a hypocrite if I said don't worry about the lore, with all the fallout 4 shitposting I've done.
But try it dude. I wish they made more games like DA or Champions
>>318014572
Rose tinted glasses, your better off playing any other isometric game.
There is a reason the developer was forced to sell out to Bethesda, and its because the isometric FO games were trash.
>>318014572
3 and 4 are Oblivion and Skyrim with guns respectively.
1 and 2 are fun if you've played old RPGs and like good writing (F1) and good roleplaying (F2) respectively.
NV is just all around solid.
>>318014367
That's simply not how canon works, you may want to get a dictionary so you know how to use the word.
>>318014572
I think they're pretty fun. Just make sure you get the fan patches. And the resolution patch so you can play it with those fancy space-age widescreen monitors
>Meanwhile in Vault City for Fallout 2
>Implying they didn't open borders after the Chosen One came by
>Implying this isn't the rest of the West
>>318014367
That isnt how canon works at all
Whoever owns the legal rights to a franchise has the right to also change its canon at any time to anything for any or no reason.
Bethesda's games are canon to FO lore as much as 1 and 2.
>>318014814
I never played Fallout 2, what is this place?
>>318014506
Nobody said they liked the fact that its canon anon.
>>318014941
A vault experiment where they were designed to open the vault after a certain amount of time and use a GECK.
>>318014367
NV is definitely canon. NV references 3. 4 references 3. Therefor they're all canon. I'm not real happy about it either but fuck it.
>>318014941
people got out of their vault and made a city, they called it Vault City
the green grass,healthy food and tall trees is what you get when you use the g.e.c.k. on soil and not on water.
You got mutants running around, radiation, divided factions. It's a little harder for society to progress. There have been times in human history when progression was flat lined as well.
>>318014941
Then go play it and find out homo
>>318014941
Vault City. It's built around Vault 8, which was a 'control' vault. There were no fucked up experiments, it operated properly, opened on schedule, and the inhabitants rebuilt society with their GECK.
>>318015095
I.E. a normal vault
one of the ~8 non experiment vaults
>>318014814
MEANWHILE AT THE NCR DURING FALLOUT 2, LITERALLY A FUCKING HICK TOWN THAT LOOKS LIKE FALLOUT 3/4 DEVASTATED TIER DURING FALLOUT 1
Top kek bethesda
>>318015127
>what you get when you use the g.e.c.k. on soil and not on water
The function of the GECK in F2 is completely different than what Beth turned it into in F3. Brush up on your Fallout Bible.
>>318015095
>>318015127
>>318015181
Thank you anons.
>>318012573
In Fallout 4, the people tried to build a united nation, emulating the NCR.
The Institute said "fuck you" and ruined it for everyone.
Fallout 3 is just plain stupid though.
>tfw only 36 hours into Fallout 4 and I'm already getting bored of it
>>318014564
Theyre actually not though. Why do you think Disney has completely shunned it with all of their SW shilling over the last 2 years? Im almost 100% positive I read a statement from the head women at disney saying theyre only focusing on the OT as a base going forward.
>>318015243
NCR DURING FALLOUT 1 (SHADY SANDS AT THE TIME)
TOP FUUUUKKKINN KEEEK
>>318015456
Go find it. Because they just released a full anthology collection with 1-6 in it.
They are canon. Deal with it.
>>318015095
a vault experiment where they did exactly what it was implied they were going to do? crazy.
>>318014673
Interplay going under has little to do with Fallout. Or the quality of the Fallout games. Stop spewing shit.
>>318012573
>nothing has changed in a world where technology was lost
No shit faget. Just look at how much the world 'changed' from 1100-1400.
>>318015537
Theyre not though if theyre avoiding it going forward. How dumb are you?
>>318015456
Because the EU was a convoluted mess at that point
Better to shed all of that crap off and then pick and choose from the best of that to make canon again. Comics do this all the time, changing continuities on a whim.
>no explanation for why power armor is so different from the power armor in 3 and NV
>no explanation for why fusion cores can run out
>no explanation for why anyone can use power armor now
>even though it's easily explainable
IT JUST WORKS
>>318015641
Can you find the source? I just asked for it.
>>318014168
Thats you
I've put it in 1000 hours EACH for NV and 3
Mods for xbone was a godsend since I don't have a PC that can run FO4 and have already put in 70+ hours in FO4
>>318015619
A huge amount?
>>318013675
Quit being a fucking faggot.
>>318015641
Terrible bait.
Because the Blu-Ray versions of Star Wars are canon. This means the prequels are cannot. Not to mention the novels, comics and games.
>>318015724
not technologically
>>318014673
Wasn't Interplay the reason why Fallout is the way it is now
>>318015619
Please be bait
Please be bait
Please be bait
>>318015714
Im not the same guy just pointing out how it makes no sense that they are considering it canon if they are avoiding it deliberately as evident enough in all of their advertising and media presence.
Releasing an anthology to make money makes it no more canon than any of the other EU shit they are still selling.
>>318015826
>prequels are cannot
*canon
nigger who cares
ghouls don't make sense
super mutants don't make sense
stop trying to make sense of video games
>>318015420
>Fallout 3 is just plain stupid though.
Hardly, considering the history if NV Fallout 3 fits quite nicely into canon.
>>318015986
also vaults dont make sense either
>>318015904
But it is canon. Just because they avoid it, does not mean it's not canon. Jar Jar Bink still exist, and could, potentially, come back in Star Wars 7 or 8 with a son or what ever.
They are canon, just because it's "shameful" canon, does not mean it's not canon.
>>318015826
Well most of the stuff is not canon now. Most books and comics are not canon. Only the 6 movies, and some TV shows like Clone Wars are canon.
>>318016017
[expected complaint about fallout 3 making aliens canon]
>>318015456
The prequels are canon, but Disney is desperately trying to connect their movie with the original trilogy. The extended universe is not canon, 1-6 is, but Disney isn't trying to market their new movie based on the prequels that most people disliked.
>>318015641
Jesus that's one of the most retarded things I've heard. If something is not contradicted, nor deliberately stated to be non-canon, then it's canon.
Before Disney, the EU was canon. Which means that all those books and comics from the 80s and 90s were canon. Just because the prequels and the 2000's media didn't mention them "going forward" didn't negate that. Old media doesn't become non-canon just because it's ignored. That'd be fucking retarded.
>>318016174
Dr Who is canon in Fallout 1.
>>318016171
Sheev is canon though
>>318015696
>retcon, 4's version of PA is much closer to how it's always been envisioned, minus the power core shit
>gameplay balance, what they should have done was have low tier sets like T45, T60 (basically a retrofit T45) and Raider run out of power but high tier like T51 and X-01 having unlimited power
>Lore has stated that power armor is extremely simple to use, 'even a child could operate it'. Training in 3 was another gamplay balance feature to prevent you from doing the equivalent of the Navarro Run in 2 and getting power armor (which is endgame armor in 3) in the first half an hour out of the tutorial.
I'm sure they put at least SOME thought into shit like this but they expect you to have extreme suspension of disbelief and to be able to accept handwaves at any moment
>>318013168
Then what the fuck do you call Fallout 2
>>318015986
but theyre explained so its less retarded, thats pretty different than something not being explained that also makes no sense
>>318012573
Why do I feel like we've had this exact thread with these exact replies just a week or so ago?
>>318016171
>Most books and comics are not canon
Wrong.
The new comics like Vader, Star Wars, Leia, Chewbacca and novels like Tarkin, Lords Of The Sith, Heir to the Jedi are canon. They both include a great deal of prequel information and incorporate it into OT. The storygroup is making a massive cohesive continuity now.
You also forgot Rebels.
>>318015578
It has literally everything to do with it, they went under because FO was unsuccessful and didnt keep them alive
But nice try at revisionist history
>>318015420
I really dont understand why the institute did that. Also wiping out univeristy point because of the unlimited ammo laser rifle is kinda ridiculous...
>>318016528
Sure, but they erased the whole extended universe like the books about the kids and ect.
>>318013675
Kek what a fucking fgt
If the game was true to reality on a 200 year timeline, pretty much all the buildings would be gone, and the ruins/remains still there would be barebones and unexplorable. Realistic bombs wouldn't have done nearly the same amount of damage either. If they're going to make a video game that's actually fun to play, I'm fine with the liberties they took as far as the condition of everything from the old world. That said, it would be nice if the places people still actually lived in at least cleaned the human skeletons and rocks out of their houses and patched up the walls.
>>318013416
That always annoyed me while playing F3.
>buildings everywhere
>we'd all rather live in a shack in the middle of nowhere just a stone's throw away from Super Mutants
>>318015848
You would need to expand upon what you mean by 'the way it is now' in order for that to be answered friend.
>>318013794
Too bad the NCR and Legion found out about the Divide community and the Courier fucking it up. Must have been great living there with all those intact buildings.
If there was a nuclear war in real life on the same scale as Fallout (All major cities targeted with nukes) would there actually be any survivor or would the planet just be fucked?
>>318015986
Go to bed Pete. You are terrible at PR.
>>318016761
Right, the storygroup wiped out the old EU and created a brand new canon system.
All authors and directors are in constant communication with each other to not make a fucking mess again.
>>318016660
Because a unified common wealth would basically be a huge threat to them. Once the leaders get ahold of one of their synths or catch onto their experiments, then they can easily unify everyone against the institute, which is not what the institute wants. That's partly why I killed my son and betrayed the railroad, the institute was full of shit from the beginning.
The institute isn't helping anyone by playing god and creating robots that do nothing but kill people and question their own existence, so why would the commonwealth's people allow them to carry on their experiments let alone help them with them?
>>318013794
So what your saying is that it looks like shit 200 years after on the west coast as well? And /v/ doesn't actually know what it's talking about?
>>318016621
Fallout unsuccessful? What?
You know they made more stuff than just Fallout right?
You are clearly just baiting at this point.
>>318017098
Thanks for the infogram.
I'm not a star wars guy at all. I watched 4-5-6 and 1.
Which is strange because I loved Babylon 5, BSG, Firefly, Lexx and Farscape.
I guess I'm just more a TV show guy than a movie guy.
>>318017024
Why were there intact buildings in the middle of a canyon
>>318016945
This.
You look at some of the inhabited areas in F3 and F4 and just think "Why in 200 years has no one cleaned up this pile of bricks?".
Since aliens are canon, why hasn't there been a DLC where you go to the alien homeworld and bring back something that could help rebuild Earth? Instead, we get Mothership Zeta where we can glass part of the planet accidentally.
>>318017479
Or removed the skeletons from their bed.
>>318017287
>I don't know what tactics or BOS was
>I don't know what Van Buren was about
Not him but Fallout was on a downward slide beforeBethesda got it.
>>318016985
DC has the excuse that most intact buildings were mutant nests they had to avoid, and there were still towns like Grayditch, Bigtown, Republic of Dave, Canterbury Commons, etc in actual buildings.
Megaton and Rivet City had been around for so long they'd become too well established for people to just up and move.
In Fallout 4 they're living in a garbage dump right next to the goddamn mutants and raiders
>>318017479
>You look at some of the inhabited areas in F3 and F4 and just think "Why in 200 years has no one cleaned up this pile of bricks?".
Don't forget New Vegas.
McCarran mess hall is downright disgusting.
>tfw just attacked Adytum with the Blades
RIP half the population
>>318017602
>Bigtown
Shouldn't have mentioned that one. Bigtown is one of the most retarded settlements in the game.
What's the best Courier Duster?
>Independent
+1 Luck, 30% Poison Resistance
>NCR
+1 Endurance, +25 Carry Weight
>Mr. House
+1 Agility, +30% Radiation Resistance
>Legion
+1 Strength, +15 Action Points
>>318017654
All mess halls look disgusting.
>>318017479
>Why has nobody looted all the food from this story in 200 years?
>Why aren't pre-war ghouls valued more in society when they have knowledge that is invaluable?
>Why use a G.E.C.K. for something as shallow as purifying water when you could use it to regrow vegetation?
>>318017573
Yes but he was trying to pin their downfall on Fallout specifically. Failed projects after the fact don't really cut it.
Tactics was fine. It was BoS that got them in shit due to the engine. It was doomed regardless of quality.
Interplay had problems. And part of that was they couldn't replicate the magic that brought about Fallout in the first place.
>>318017654
But the buildings in NV are largely under heavy active use. They're not full of 200 year old rubble, they're full of last week's trash which is a hell of a lot more believable
their are no trees to make wooden things
their is no stability to make anything big because raiders/mutants/roided out chameleons will just break it
forges either don't work or have tenants that are too mean to fight against so new steel isn't going to be available in any large quantity
their isn't any fuel to power big things in most places
the average person isn't like the player character. a super mutant or even a feral ghoul would rip hip in half and eat him in a second. new vegas with more adobe huts is basically the best you could do in the wastes
>>318017729
>Mr. House
>not the lucky 38 symbol
it's shit
>>318017730
Yeah, but not usually because the floor is covered in dirty newspapers and rusty cans.
>>318017727
At least its in an actual town with realistic defenses
>>318012573
>2015
>africans still live in mud huts IRL
m8
>>318017749
>>Why aren't pre-war ghouls valued more in society when they have knowledge that is invaluable?
Because the mayor in Diamond City is an assholeand a synth.
>>318017729
NCR. I'm a hoarder so I like dat carry weight.
>>318017789
Horseshit. Most of the buildings are filled with their own rubble and the same kind of trash you find in most of FO3.
NV is a fucking mess, which is damn strange considering House and the NCR supposedly fixed it over the past 7-10 years,.
>>318017479
You can literally say the exact same thing about NV. There's still trash everywhere. Some people live in sewers. There's still rusted out shacks everywhere.
Never thought I would say this, but the amount of cognitive dissonance obsidrones have is amazing. And I vastly prefer NV over 3 and 4
>>318017321
The Clone Wars is an okay series it gets really good near it's end. Especially seeing the Republic turn into the Empire
Rebels reminds me of a mix of Firefly and Cowboy Bebop.
>>318017060
Yeah, most of the problems would be from radiation. Unless you live in a large city or near a military base you probably wouldn't deal with anything related to the nuclear blast itself. Radiation for about 40-50 years and climate change stuff would be the really shitty thing to deal with, likely leading to the death of a few billion people and a ton of animal species, but a substantial amount of humanity would go on as ever. We have a ton of nukes but making damn near everything go up in a firestorm is still well beyond human capability.
>>318017569
>>318017749
Precisely.
You would think that that would be busywork for the children to clean up the settlement or something to distract them from the crushing reality of the wasteland.
Or even just re-purposing the stray bricks.
>>318017602
Diamond city makes more sense as a town than literally any settlement in Fallout 3. Prove me wrong.
Fallout 4 sort of fixes this issue by having the player clear out all the junk and put it back into settlements, but that just begs the question of why it took 200 years and some dipshit pre-war normie to consider doing this
What's the deal with the rest of the world in this universe? Is Canada and South America fucked? Russia? Australia.
The lore seems like it could get so much deeper and it always seem to be like "THINGS IN AMERICA KIND OF ARE SHIT."
Before I use it, how is that mod that replaces NV music with more Fallout 1/2 Music?
>>318017060
Probably, especially with those hardcore survivalist types.
>find a pre-war ghoul who knows how to make radaway
>never require purified water
Wow, that was hard!
>>318018392
Tenpenny Tower begs to differ.
>>318012573
I've never played Fallout but OP's pic and >>318014814 look fun. I need a light RPG to kill time on my T420. Should I start with FO1 and 2?
>>318017798
Literally everything you posted is wrong
>>318018401
dude. bombs fell on my great-great-great-great-grandmama.
>>318018401
>some unirradiated faggot is the smartest man on earth now
Pretty much, sperg
NCR territory is pretty much rebuilt by the time Fallout 4 takes place.
>>318018549
If the graphics dont turn you off sure. Be sure to use the unofficial patches and restoration mods.
Welcome to Diamond City, where we choose to live in single room sheet metal shit shacks, or just sleep on the ground!
>>318018620
Graphics are fine and look comfy. The only time I used mods was with CnC Generals ZH/SW. Should I torrent the game and then look for some popular patches and mods?
>>318018489
Well, between Fallout 3 and 4 we can guess that Russia and Ireland have recovered pretty well since they're at the point where they have immigrants crossing the ocean to get to America. But then if they're so well off why would they leave? Or did Bethesda just want wacky ethnic stereotypes in the middle of communities that have had no contact with humanity from more than 100km away in 200 years because lol?
Don't try to make sense of Fallout.
>>318018516
But what do they eat? Diamond City has farms.
>>318014814
>vault "city"
>barely anyone lives there
>yet people bitch about how diamond city/megaton are tiny and no one lives there
:'D
>>318018549
Take 10 in Agility and the gifted trait.
>>318013675
Sadly nobody gives a fuck
>>318017060
The planet would be fucked by the massive ammount of shit brought up into the atmosphere by nukes covering the entire earth in a huge blanket
without the sunrays getting through it would be basicaly ice age early arrival edition
>>318018769
They have a constant supply of traders who roll through. The bourgeois don't need to farm for themselves.
>>318018813
I assume you're talking about the starting stats?
>>318018730
I like to imagine that the rest of the world is doing okayish...but ignores the states because it's an underdeveloped shit-hole.
>>318018784
There are people who live in their houses
and there are people who work
>>318012573
I don't think Bethesda ever played Fallout 1 or 2
>>318013675
ebin pasta
>>318013675
NMA pls go
>>318012573
Well it took a shitload of time for humanity to get to the current point in civilization. Niggers are still far from it.
If you had constant raider attacks and everything has been annihilated in nuclear fire then you'd literally have to rediscover the wheel. And people would mostly care about surviving to another day.
>>318014367
You're that retard for /tv/ that keeps insisting that the Prequels aren't canon just because they're shit, when Disney literally went out of the way to /keep/ them canon.
goddamnit now i want to play FO2 for the 20th time
>>318018961
>successful vault experiment (meaning it should have around 1000 people in it when it opened)
>use the GECK to make it livable
>less than 100 people probably live there
:'D
>>318018912
What is it that they sell to buy food?
>>318018968
They did, that's why they own the series
In this day and age, developers aren't limited on how many sprites they can make, so buildings end up more destroyed instead of mint condition.
Imagine what the deep sea looks like in the Fallout universe.
>>318018681
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the player home you can get has wood flooring with a concrete foundation. I haven't been in it in like a week so I can't remember what the interior walls were.
>>318017060
It wouldn't be as bad as you might think. Superpowers would get fucked. Major cities are fucked, anything military is fucked, industrial sectors are fucked, there probably things like highways and water/oil pipelines too. If you survived all that you need to stay inside for 150 - 200 hours after the bombs fall. Avoid rain in this time period. After that anybody that can do anything is probably dead or dying. No country is going to be in position to invade anyone. Things become safer exponentially the longer time passes. You might get a nuclear winter buts its not all that bad.
>>318018137
I heard the world has enough nukes stockpiled to make everything go extinct 8 times over
>>318018936
Yeah, they're really fucking important in the first two Fallouts. you have to have at least some idea of what you plan to do when you create your character and you have to actually play to it when you start. It's really not that hard, just if you tag speech, science and repair don't go trying to take on 15 raiders with your handgun.
10 agility feels more or less essential after you've played with it once because it makes the combat so much smoother. I don't think of it as cheating or anything, it's just how I make a pretty dated and clunky system fun and playable.
>>318019102
Probably unaffected patrick.
>>318017060
We don't really have vaults. Aside from that the radiation and constantfalloutswould kill the remaining people. We don't really have any radaway...
>>318014673
>>318016621
Fallout 1 and 2 were extremely successful for their time, it's the reason why Fallout 1 got a sequel so quickly. The reason why Interplay went broke was because they WEREN'T making Fallout, they wasted time and money working on that faggot Hervé Caen's shitty spin-offs.
>>318019014
Constant raider attacks didn't stop the wild west from eventually developing.
>>318019053
Anybody who can afford to live in Tenpenny Towers is already rich in the first place. They pay for that security somehow.
>>318019102
water is a good shield for radiation, it's probably very similar
>>318017323It wasn't always a canyon.
>>318018861
Lots of us do. Even you do. You're just trying to bait. The majority of people on planet earth not caring doesn't mean "nobody cares".
>>318015126
4 also references NV
>nobody explored Kellogg's mind and found he ran away from NCR to the still savage east coast
>nobody gets the implication that all those not willing to join society are being pushed east, explaining why it's still a mess
>>318017060
Watch Threads, a British movie / documentary about buildup to nuclear war and a realistic scenario
>>318019191
>Constant raider attacks didn't stop the wild west from eventually developing.
It wasn't bombed as hard because it wasn't populated as much.
>>318019124
Yeah, but even during MAD it's not like any superpower would actually launch ALL OF THE NUKES everywhere.
>>318019091
You don't have to have played or even liked something to own it. The fuck is your point? They're lazy?
>>318019245
>4 also references NV
There isn't a single reference to NV in Fallout 4, that pisses me off.
>B-B-BUT DA NCR
Kellog was from Fallout 2 era NCR.
>>318014673
>Rose tinted glasses
Played Fallout 1/2 over the past few weeks when 4 came out for the very first time in my life and loved them, get fucked.
>>318019146
I get what you mean. Wanting to change stats once you're a couple hours into the game is a bitch. I'll look up recommended starting stats when I start.
Agreed on the agility. There's never no reason to not have it.
>>318019162
If mirelurks are in fresh water just imagine what's in the depths.
>>318019039
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault_City_travel_log
>Population: Current Census 103 Citizens.
Your point being? Vault City is acknowledged to be small in the game itself.
Still has more personality as a settlement than anything Bethesda has come up with in the past two games.
>>318019191
>They pay for that security somehow
Bravo Bethesda
>>318015420
>In Fallout 4, the people tried to build a united nation, emulating the NCR.
>The Institute said "fuck you" and ruined it for everyone
How and when? I missed all of that discussion. The most I got was the loading screen saying The Institute tried to share it's knowledge initially but was forced underground
>>318019014
>literally have to rediscover the wheel
I don't think the Fallout world is that bad. Even if the entire planet forgot simultaneously they'd probably figure it out within a year just by looking at cars and the millions of tires lying around everywhere.
>>318019191
But the Wild West only got tamed because the Vault dweller and The Chosen one came and killed all the threats in the area. Everyone would either be dead or turned into mutants without them.
>>318018912
Where do the traders get food?
>>318019039
nice goalpost moving
>>318017729
>all relevant stats at 10
>poison resist already maxed because END
>rads never matter
>VATS is shit
>always need more inventory
idk man
>>318019358
>Still has more personality as a settlement than anything Bethesda has come up with in the past two games.
Careful, people are going to think a wacky gimmick town of 4 cannibals and an old man means it has "personality".
>>318019356
Fresh water is inland, close to surface water. Who's going to be dropping nukes in the middle of the Pacific Ocean?
>>318019091
>In this day and age, developers aren't limited on how many sprites they can make
Ok.
>so buildings end up more destroyed instead of mint condition
That doesn't follow.
The reason everything looks like the inside of a trash can in Bethouts is because they think it looks cool for whatever reason. Apocalyptic vibes and shit.
Black Isle didn't make it look like that because they realized that fucking brooms becoming ancient, forgotten technology is idiotic.
Even in Bethouts plenty of buildings still stand but everyone makes fucking shacks instead of patching up the holes in a perfectly good house.
>>318019437
>diamond city mocked for having 45 or so people
>le 100 totally better
:'D
>Help us!
>Yes
>Yes
>Sarcastic yes
>Yes
Holy fuck Bethesda
>>318019362
I mean stockpiling caps is fairly easy past a certain point. Selling weapons and ammunition, materials you collect, running a business. Naturally you'd want to live someplace safe even if you had a business in say, Megaton or Rivet City.
>>318019447
Well, then you'd have to side with the NCR and that sucks. But, since it's determined by your faction reputation at the point of clicking "yes" when told you'd have to enter it and not come out until the confrontation with Ulysses is done, you can be sided with the NCR and then nuke them, ruining your reputation but still getting the good duster.
>institute is supposed to be crazy high tech
>can't evensave your son from cancer by putting his brain in a robot like Big Mountain
>>318019562
whats sad is that isnt even sarcasm
>>318019406
>Where do the traders get food?
In Fallout 3? Gathering food isn't a mechanic :^)
>>318019557
It's because they've proven they can do bigger cities in past games they've made. They had to make it playable on consoles though, which aren't very powerful.
>>318019562
You can tell her to fuck off
>>318018221
The shit that happens in fallout is basically the same problem that occurred during the middle ages with peasants, namely that they were so oriented on basic survival they didn't take advantage of all the Roman technology that was available. They had shit like indoor plumbing for centuries, but because no one bothered building infrastructure, you had people dumping chamber pots in the street. That shit ends up being endemic, because the second some guy says "Hey, with enough work and money we could run a stream through town and use that to carry our waste down stream where we don't have to worry about it", some dumbass says "Why the fuck should we do that when we can dump our chamber pots in the street like my father did and his father before him?" Not that people are stupid mind you, but they are creatures of habit and culture. You still see that shit in rapidly industrialized areas like China and India, where people who grew up in rural farming villages just shit in the street because they don't see anything wrong with it, or who can't use a toilet because they've literally been squatting their whole life and pooping while siting is just alien to them.
Anyway, that's really the biggest problem of day to day life in Fallout: there is no government, and no one bands together long enough to build any infrastructure. You end up with some places like the Hub, which is established mostly out of convenience to the caravans and merchants who don't give two shits about something unless it makes them money, and then you have places like Vault City/NCR where they are trying to re-establish civilization, but they also come off as brutal fuck wits because they're surrounded by people who would shit everything up because they don't know any better or shitting things up IS their way of life. That applies mostly to the original Fallouts though. Bethesda Fallout revolves around creating locations with a theme, which tend to be single minded around that one idea
>>318019562
>Do exactly what you have to do to progress in a quest
>WAAAAAAAH WHY WON'T IT LET ME SAY NO WHEN I'M TRYING TO PROGRESS?
>>318019557
nice goalpost moving
>>318019672
Which dialog option out of:
>Yes
>yes
>yes
>yes
is that?
>>318019562
Why did you join the Minutemen if you didn't want to help people.
>>318019124
ya but you can only launch so many at once and 20 minutes later your dead. Its like a guy with a revolver bragging about having 1000 rounds.
>>318019562
>Yes, what?
>Yes, what?
>I'm a dick, yes, what?
>Yes, what?
what
>>318019796
The game practically forces you to.
>>318019806
>and 20 minutes later your dead.
My dead?
>>318013298
Highest priority targets are the silos in the Great Plains along with DC, Cheyenne mt and other C&C centers. Cities like Boston and NY are counter value target sand don't rate as high as a silo that can shoot back. Look it up.
>>318013675
I can smell your fedora.
>>318019584
The stupidest thing is that they didn't even consider re-purposing their teleporter into a molecular forge.
Pre-war tech could disassemble any matter at the atomic level and put it back in any way they desired, not just move it from one place to another.
>>318019806
>Implying I can't shoot all 1000 of those rounds before you've taken a single shot
>>318019390
Nick Valentine can tell you about it. Basically all the major settlements sent a representative to form some kind of Government and the Institute sent a malfunctioning synth that killed everyone.
>>318019628
Exactly. Vault city has Food, Water, and the stadium serves as a natural wall. Checkmate Atheists.
>>318019873
By giving you the option to say 'No' to Garvey?
So will we ever get a fallout game not based in NA?
Of course vault-tec wasn't in other countries, but china and russia must have had some contingency plans in case of total nuclear holocaust.
>>318019014
Really, just no.
There are survivors.
These survivors lived in the old world.
Even with basic survival knowledge, I assume the average individual could build a simple dwelling with mud bricks in a few months.
>>318019970
diamond city*
I'm retarded
>>318019245
1700 and 1800s USA
>everyone goes out west because its lawless
2287
>the East becomes the new beacon of lawlessness. The Wild East.
DC and commonwealth will be the last to join/be annexed by the NCR.
>>318019983
>Say no to helping Garvey
>Quest prompt still tells you to find the power core in order to help them
I'm not even making this shit up.
>>318019987
See: Metro 2033
just imagine it's after 2077
>>318019748
You can leave any conversation (except for a couple story ones) by simply looking somewhere else and walking away.
>>318019987
>So will we ever get a fallout game not based in NA?
When it's not named "Fallout". It would be worse than a foreigner coming over and being a GTA protag. The setting is important. Only the Russians would make a Russian game right, only a Chinese would make China right.
>>318019454
this image is a meme
>>318020014
Isn't there that show where a bunch of men are dumped on an island and end up basically getting food, shelter and fire up in pretty much a day or two?Of course the women were useless
>>318020092
What's the point of having four dialog options to literally say the same exact thing?
If this was one of the other Fallout games, the other three options would be something like:
>"Tell me more about what you need help with"
>[Barter 50/45] "For the right price I can do anything"
>"Deal with it yourself, I got better things to do"
And then you'd have multiple ways to solve the quest.
>>318017972
>>318018004
I sank more time into 3 and even 4 than NV, because all NV had going for it was the writing, but in Obsidian's defense they had to use the Fallout 3 engine so making new textures would have been too much work for their time frame
They planned on having NV be bigger and prettier iirc but it was stupidly enough one of the last things they worked on so it got stitched together last minute from the same old assets
>>318020094
What a crock of shit. Fallouts basically just 50s stereotypes of the future but with still a 50s attitude.
None of the creators lived any of that. Its all second/beyond hand knowledge and nothing more you couldn't get from literally researching.
Like saying San Andreas wasn't written by a team of niggers, so clearly it didn't portray it accurately.
>200 years after nuclear war
there are STILL packages of snack cakes and various valuables sitting around on shelves and in drawers
>>318020243
Fallout 4 is a shooter tho. Get with the times grandpa.
>>318020293
>because all NV had going for it was the writing
New Vegas was better than 3 and 4 in literally every way though.
>>318019392
Well okay, then not literally rediscover the wheel. But you get the idea.
>>318020165
A meme, for sure, bit it's also one of the most solid and concise summaries of what's wrong with Bethesda rpgs and Fallout 3+4 in particular.
I've played all the Fallout's but BoS and I can go back to all but 3, and 4 is already boring me hard after ~25 hours. The almost non-existence of different builds/playstyles is killing 4 for me. If I start again I can hit things instead of shooting and join another faction who will have me doing more or less the same shit. I miss multiple solutions to the same problem being the normal thing, but Bethesda's idea of this is melee or shooting the generic raiders in the nearby factory. In Fallout 1 there's 1 major raider gang and the rest are chance encounters out of the way, Fallout doesn't need generic enemies, it needs thought out encounters that can be approached from multiple angles.
Why did I start writing this post? I just realized I've been writing without thinking.
>>318020243
Well they scrapped everything related to skills and speech. And Charisma in conversations is now more luck than the actual luck stat (which isn´t random at all with "saved up" crits). So most conversations are just to quickly accept a quest or get some small background info.
>>318017060
moscow metro
>>318020428
This is bullshit. The combat in 4 is leagues better than any Bethgame to date. You would have to be utterly delusional to say otherwise.
>>318020607
And that's exactly why it's so shitty. There's no real choice, and nothing you say or do matters.
>>318020539
>it's also one of the most solid and concise summaries
It's a rambling, incoherent mess.
>>318020094
Dead Rising is my favourite portrayal of America in a video game. I'm not American but I still feel like they were more on point than most. They really nailed the tone of a Romero movie and for some reason Romero's work feels more American to me than anything Hollywood's ever made.
>>318020293
>making new textures
I'm fairly certain they wouldn't have needed to make new textures to make shit look clean.
![[Insert Racist Joke].png](https://i.imgur.com/vEsw8gB.jpg "[Insert Racist Joke].png")
>>318019091
wait all you have to do is play it to own the series? Ehh, still probably not worth it for FO4
>>318020752
But isn't pretty much every single surface from Fallout 3 grimy and covered with shit? I also think that the piles of shit on the floor are built into the building models or something.
>>318020709
I'm mean relatively, usual Bethesda V Obsidian discussion here is usually just a back and forth of "NOSTALGIA GOGGLES", "WHAT DO THEY EAT?". That faggot at least addressed Fallout as a game rather than nitpicking retarded world design. Fallouts 3+4 have problems, but not making sense are the least of them.
>>318020851
>war never changes
>>318020736
WEEEEEELLLLLLL
>>318020851
He looks like he's wearing a toilet.
>>318013168
No it's not.
>>318020851
Oh wow. What are the odds of a breeding pair surviving like that?
>>318020987
BUT WHAT DO THEY EAT?
>>318019970
Malfunctioning being the key word there
I haven't found any of this in game yet, but that sounds like The Institute didn't do it on purpose
>>318018784
That's because dialog seems to suggest that Diamond City is a prospering hub of livelyness. Where as Vault City only actually has 100 or so people. One is not pretending to be larger than the game engine allows it to be.
>>318020348
Let's be real here. The only place outside of the U.S. a Fallout game would be likely to take place in is Canada. Both because it's a part of the U.S. in the lore and because places like Ronto have been mentioned.
>>318020182
The women thought that since they were supplied with beans and rice they wouldn't have to hunt
The men hunted because they wanted to eat good, not just eat to survive.
>>318019454
This only makes it more urgent that Obsidian and Black Isle get to tinker with the engine to make their own game, or at least salvage Fo4's story with DLC: I mean, while the story is bad, it isn't shit on the same level as 3.
>>318012573
The story goes that initially, FO3 was set only a few decades after the bombs dropped, and most of the wasteland was designed with that in mind (grocery stores that haven't been anywhere near picked clean yet, a town full of nothing but children that hasn't gone extinct, all the water is still irradiated like crazy), and they decided to set it after FO1 and FO2 late in development, with the "Vault 101 has been sealed for centuries" part being added toward the end. It would certainly explain a lot.
>>318021057
>he's not equipped with the latest porcelain based energy and ballistic absorption plates
>>318013675
Is Stallman into Fallout now?
>>318015480
>no rubble
>clean, newly built wall
>nice and new houses
>a little farm
>>318021375
Could porcelain stop laser weaponry? Is it actually meant to be porcelain?
>>318021048
HE AIN'T MY MEME
>>318021162
Bad writing.
>>318020182
>>318021298
Two come to mind.
The british show on this topic and the Danish or Swedish show.
They both went as well as you imagined, but I know the british show didn't have food supplies included (the women probably received food off camera).
