>your character has a backstory, a wife, son, and a predetermined intro sequence
How am I supposed to roleplay in this game again? Not even being cynical. Literally how am I supposed to get into the mindset of a character who has already been set from the start?
Even when comparing Fallout to Fallout 3, you can see that Bethesda always managed to dumb down the roleplay/atmosphere/immersion aspects of the game. It's no wonder this trend would continue into Fallout 4, I just went into the game with gameplay and exploration in mind.
>wife is a lawyer
>lets husband carry the baby
>leaves vault and is a trained killer with no real reaction to doing so
>looking for a child she couldn't even be bothered to hold
>narration at the start of the game is the guy talking
this game is such a shipwreck and shows how hype culture is killing vidya
>>317997808
>lets husband carry the baby
What's wrong with this? In a situation where every second matters, giving the baby to the faster (and stronger) person makes sense. The baby was safer in his hands than hers, even if she would have bitched and moan like a woman to hold it - and if she did, the husband would have slapped her to knock some sense into her.
Who knows, maybe she's the most /k/ lawyer there is?
>>317998371
You watch too much television.
>>317996804
Stop playing video games then. Every RPG video game has limits to the amount of options that are available. Eventually you're gonna run into something that the game doesn't let you do. If complete freedom of choice in role-playing is what you desire, you need to move into playing tabletop RPGs like Dungeons & Dragons
>>317996804
The same way you roleplayed as a vault dweller looking for a water chip or a tribal looking for a GECK.
>Fallout 4 is absolute garbage
>can't go back to F3/NV/TTW because I've played it for too long and can no longer deal with its awful engine
>>317997808
Female main character isn't canon :^)
>>317996804
Wheres that tweet where they don't give a fuck what you say because this is a meme game for memes?
>>317999000
Damn son, that triple double
>>317996804
You aren't forced to go look for your son. Do what the fuck you want.
>>317998823
Yes, but at least that's the only information you got.
What, do you expect the game to literally spawn you in the middle of the wasteland with no goal?
>>317999000
Trips for truth.
but muh mods
>>317996804
Roleplay means taking on a role other than your own. It doesn't necessarily mean you get to create your own new role. In that sense, every game ever is a roleplaying game.
>>317998371
what didn't make sense was the trained soldier losing in a tug of war match with a limp wristed institute woman then getting shot like a little bitch. I don't care if he just woke up, protecting his kid should have been pumping him full of adrenaline
>>317999000
fuck me those are some impressive digits
>>317996804
>get into the mindset of a character
you don't, really. Think of Fallout 4 man/woman the same way you would the Master Chief or something. Fallout 4's not for roleplaying, it's for hunting down generic bandits for rare loot drops and construction supplies. If that doesn't please you wait for another outsourced spinoff or play the old ones.
Fallout 4 is basically a JRPG with shootan combat.
>>317999648
>a JRPG with shootan combat.
If you change the combat of a JRPG, then it is no longer a JRPG
I don't understand the comparison here anyway to be honest, the game is fucking western as shit
>>317999952
maybe he just means the story is stupid and nonsensical
>>317999498
He thought they were vault scientists
It was less "I WONT LET THESE FUCKERS TAKE MY BABY" and more "I can convince these scientists not to take my baby"
Also adrenaline can't beat just waking up and being partially frozen
It doesn't help that you can't make any decisions about things that determine your character's ideals, every choice is "muh faction" or "muh shaun"
>>317996804
And that says nothing about their personality and who they are as a person. Make up the rest and play in a way that matches it. Done.
>>318000176
>He thought they were vault scientists
>It was less "I WONT LET THESE FUCKERS TAKE MY BABY" and more "I can convince these scientists not to take my baby"
>the man with armor and a gun is obviously a scientist
Shills pls
>>318000176
>Also adrenaline can't beat just waking up and being partially frozen
worked fine for the player character
>>317996804
>has a wife
>has a baby
>has a house
>a car
>a robot
>younger than myself
>is not a virgin
I can't role play what I don't know.
>>317999572
>Fallout 4's not for roleplaying
You guys are all such fucking faggots.
>>317996804
Same way you did when you were an older teenaged Tribal who'd never set his foot in the wastes and was just about to complete his coming-of-age test before being sent out to search for the sacred GECK in order for his village not to starve.
What if [...]
You actually got to go to the park with your waifu at the start of the game as an option
And do couples stuff etc. to make you actually sympathize for the characters
And your son wasn't a niglet but a toddler who resembled you, and the waifu, and you all went to the park together
At the park there would be situations you could roleplay around like the FO3 intro, that would affect Shaun and the campaign later
But before all this there was a flashback scene in a lawyers office or a battlefield to characterize the character you wanted to play, and here you could roleplay and make choices other than yes yes sarcastic no, this would affect your character's disposition in their dialogue responses later, how much they care about their wife and/or kid etc
Hire me Bethesda
Well... I don't see why it has to be so black and white.
>Gotta find my son
>No time to cry about what happened to the world
>Everyone is a means towards my son
>Revenge for my family will be had.
>>317998881
>can no longer deal with its awful engine
>the same engine as FO4
Ebin. :^)
>>318000609
This. It has roughly the same level of character backstory and control as the previous fallout games.
>>318000637
What if you could actually use the memory den to go back and hang out with your waifu/husbando while pregnant with Shawn. What's so fucking hard about that
>>318000842
Just buy the season pass.
>>318000637
>And your son wasn't a niglet
Casual racism aside, doesn't the child look like your regardless, as in the skin pigment changes?
As in black parent makes black baby. yellow parent yellow baby, etc?
>>318000539
It's fucking not, it's a solid shooter but there's no real variety or choice whatsoever
>>318000956
Engine limitations.
>>318000962
Even CoD is better.
FO4 is a solid chunk of smoking metal garbage.
>>318000742
but it's not
no one has ever said fo4 is an rpg
though it's funny that pcgamer was banning anyone who said the controls where awful
>>318000742
still feels like a major improvement to me
after 700+ hours i'll take anything i can get
so do you just not play games where you can't make your own character?
>>318000736
>meanwhile every dialogue choice is crying about Shaun
>literally cannot just say fuck it to Shaun
>>317996804
>implying it's a problem
>implying I'm not a a hand to hand specialized assassin
>implying my husband wasn't nothing more than a cover up story
>implying I'm not playing at a sub 15 fps on my PS4
You guys really are plebs.
Obligratory.
nothing you say or do matters because it's a cartoony shooter and world objects all use the same texture
>>318001194
>play RPG
>can't RP
Obsidian game on new engine when
>>318001025
Only took CoD what, 17 games to get to where Fallout is now?
>>318001289
>that Ronnie tweet
jesus christ
>>318001353
>hand to hand specced assassin
>webm sows you carrying a weapon
>>318000736
Gorgeous
>>318000402
Your over 200 years old?
>>318001796that part literally forces you to shoot a people from a distance
>>317996804
>Carrying about all that and not just having fun
Stop being so stubborn for once in your life?
>>318001796
>I named my gun Hand to Hand
>I challenge everyone to H2H combat
>I pull out my gun and shoot them.
>attempting to Rp new bethesda game
>you are married and have a baby
>that means you're not virgin
>and that you like kids
>that means you want to have a family
>and your character has the voice of an white american
>you are either a soldier or a lawyer
>the entire game is about you finding your baby and saying how much you love your spouse(almost crying while at it)
>which means you fucking love your family
>you can't just tell the dog to fuck off
>which means you like dogs
wew
>>317996804
wow u fukin nerd
War, war never changes.
War, war never changes.
War, war never changes.
Have we mentioned war never hchanged yet?
What this fuck is it with you faggots?
>How am I supposed to role play?
They've given you a game, a role.... And you FUCKING PLAY IT.
Who gives a shit about your circlejerk storyless fantasy fag shit. Just play the fucking game... Or don't. Fuck me you infinite line of whinging neckbeards need to kill yourselves
>>318002018
I wish you funfags would kill yourselves. You're ruining video games.
>>318002315
>RPing like a basement dweller minus the dice
>All RP's are just murder hobos anyway
>But I'm a wizard/baker/hockey player whose just trying to survive
>So you dressed up in a trenchcoat and carry a rifle, just like everyone else in the game.
How old were you when you realized RP'ers were simply Trolls who have to play pretend in everything.
I bet half of you roleplay in Star Fox.
>>317998719
Every other Fallout game gives you heaps of freedom for role-play.
>be me
>maybe wanted gay character
>>318001289
is this /v/?
>>318002748
Roleplay
>Let me make up a head canon for my Avatar
>These decisions totally affect my personal idea for a character.
Yeah, they all offer the same amount. You spergs are just limited by your tiny imagination.
>>317999218
>You aren't forced to go look for your son
You can't even so much as have a conversation without being literally forced into mentioning it. The game railroads you so fucking hard.
why did they record like 1000000 kids names if it's locked to one?
>>318000314
Anon, you've been frozen in a pod with your baby in your arms for 130 years, the first thing you'll notice is the person taking your baby, not the person in the corner of your eye
>>318002817
No, this is Retard/v/ille.
To get to /v/ you want to go two blocks down, hang a right and its past the bar, you'll see people having intelligent discussion about Videogames without posting memes and /v/omiting bullshit.
>>318002641
calm down todd
>>318002714
>I bet half of you roleplay in Star Fox
>>318002975
>forced to look for (x) SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUN
>>318003042
So it's not /v/? The ID and the post count had me confused.
I'll get the game when it's like $20 for the GOTY edition and then I'll pretend I'm playing a shittier version of MGSV
>>318003051
Essence of /v/'s latest shitposting extravaganza.
You got me there memelord
One thing I don't get it it's been over 100 years since the all the songs played on the radio were recorded. Why wouldn't they have new records?
I don't know why this came as a surprise to anyone. Fallout 3 was like ME, a shooter with RPG elements. Fallout 4 is like ME2, a shooter with less RPG elements. Fallout 5 is just going to be a shooter.
It's not the worst game ever made, but it's not that great either. I'm enjoying it for what it is. AAA cashgrab which I didn't pay for.
>>317996804
Quite grasping at straws op, it was a good game with rpg elements. Almost no video game is a true rpg in the DnD sense of the term. It's just boring
>>318001880
Yes. You'd have to add +300 year extra on top of their +200 year.
Everyone here is technically older than the fallout4 characters.
Maxson is such a huge cunt. The Brotherhood in FO4 in general is pretty shit.
Just a bunch of standard military dudes that discriminate a lot and have you threaten farm people for food. They're not even obsessed with weapons and shit, they're just cunts.
The companion is alright but he's a fucking synth anyway, so there's no point in going with the Brotherhood other than to steal a fucking Gauss Rifle and get the X-01 helmet early.
>Get plans to build the thing to get into the Institute
>Tell that faggot hipster haircut Maxson about it
>"YEAH NO YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING ELSE FOR US FIRST"
>I fuck off and build it with the Railroad guys, who are nothing but helpful
>Return to Maxson and talk to him after a while
>"I'M DISAPPOINTED YOU DIDN'T BUILD THE THING WITH US"-- even though I fucking told him a million times before
What a fucking menstruating woman he is. Fuck the Brotherhood in FO4, seriously.
>>317996804
>How am I supposed to roleplay in this game again?
The only Fallout game with an actual loose backstory is New Vegas.
The series has never been about complete roleplay, just look at Fallout 2's protag.
Besides, if you wanted strong "roleplay" you would play P&P and not videogames.
Is there any way to get shelter from those not-blowouts when you're out in the wastes? They're fucking annoying
>>318001383
F4 has the best skill tree
>>317999000
trip fucking confirmed it
SUCK IT KOTAKU
>>318003487
I didn't enjoy killing the chick scribe in the police station when I had to blow up their airship, but eh.
>>317996804
It's not what you were before the fallout, it's who you become after.
RPG 101 m8y
Not even trying to defend this game
>>318001383
>this looks pretty dated, but I can work with it, lots of options
>nice, easy to understand, easy to use, perfect framework, can't wait to see how they improve on it
>pictures of the food on the cash register tier
Why does our lord in heaven allow these things to happen, /v/?
>>318003359
Yeah to be worst game made this year. It'd have to be worse than Arkham Knight. That's a new record for most fucked up launch.
>>318002769
faggot
>>317996804
I feel the same way OP. Like, I don't give a fuck about my wife or son because there wasn't any characterization given to them.
The game would have been better if you had legit factions and each had a "game ending" quest line. Can you even join raiders in this game? Like no Mad Max playstyle available just bullshit fetch quests for minutemen and BoS, etc;
Good Fallouts:
>Raiders are actually humans with different goals, there are several tribes that figth eachother because they think their goal is better
bethesda fallout:
>raiders
does Lone Wanderer rank 3 get rid of the damage resistance and carry weight or does it just give the 25% damage on top of those?
>>317996804
Don't forget that male PCs are all army vets with PA training.
>>318003497
Fuck off you're huge faggot and you know it.
>>318003964
You know Fallout 4 had some pretty decent raider characterization. Would be 10/10 if they differentiated groups.
>>318003487
Ladies and gentlemen, the mid-western Brotherhood.
I'm just glad it's not the fucking Lyons' Pride again.
>>317998881
>TTW
I ain't hip on this newfangled internet lingo, son. You're gonna have to explain that to me in clear American.
>People bitch about the femc being combat capable
>Implying a good soldier wouldn't want his wife to be handy with a gun to protect the babby on the home front
>>318004202
https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/faq#whatisttw
>>318004202
It's a mod that loads all the Fallout 3 assets into new vegas.
>>318004247
its not only about her knowing how to handle a gun.
its about literally everything.
Her whole character goes against playing like fallout 4 wants you to play.
>>318004272
>>318004325
Much obliged, folks.
>Strong loads into rooms I haven't opened yet or unlocked and alerts everyone to our presence
>just generally bad AI pathing
>VATS headshots miss when target is only a few feet away from me and we're both standing still
>so far enemy variation is extremely low and uninspired
>>317996804
>FFany
>Man I'm playin as a fuckin premade character, how am I supposed to roleplay in this?
fuckin die.
>>318004028
>>318004715
jrpgs are not rpgs
>>318004028
>Fuck off you're huge faggot and you know it.
Truth hurts that much, huh?
>>318004167
>Ladies and gentlemen, the mid-western Brotherhood.
What are you talking about? The Brotherhood in FO4 is not the mid-west Brotherhood splinter faction from Tactics. Those guys are the "nicest" out of all the Brotherhoods. Not only because of the reason they were sent on a "mission" (basically sent away so they wouldn't cause trouble) but because they actually became more similar to the Minutemen. They offer genuine protection in return for recruits and resources. They recruited ghouls, deathclaws and super mutants, which is something the core Brotherhood faction would never do.
there should be a perk that connects all your benches for junk. I left some pretty good shit out in the middle of nowhere.
>>318004102
Fucking this man. Capital wasteland seemed in shit enough condition that raiders wouldn't really try to distinguish themselves from other gangs, but the Commonwealth is so dense, it would've been cool to see named gangs with their own equipment and weaponry.
Beth did pretty good with all the terminal entries, but raiders are just so boring to encounter and fight.
>>318005012
Check out the Cha 6 perk.
>>318004247
>>Implying a good soldier wouldn't want his wife to be handy with a gun to protect the babby on the home front
"Knowing how to handle a gun". As in what? Knowing what the safety is and not to point the gun at the baby?
Knowing how to properly fire a gun takes practice and then you also have to be able to aim.
Even if in theory she had been shooting up beer cans in the back yard it's completely different when she would be sent out into the wasteland to survive on her own as someone working in law.
The father is obviously the canon protag for several reasons.
>>318004587
>using Railway Rifle or whatever it's called
>run up to enemy and VATS point blank
>95% to blow their head off
>3 shots
>miss all of them
Just finished the game, and I thought the ending of F3 was bad, holy shit I feel fucking insulted.
>>318005327
This is why I wish the spouse you pick would have been the soldier.
>>317999000
You saw it here first, folks.
Yeah, Bethesda's forced backstories really bother me.
You're basically required to be an intelligent person in their late teens in 3 if you want the story to make any sense at all.
>>318005194
There are some different special gangs. For example the ones that hide out in the old courhouse, the leader is a "judge" and they convert people they capture into their fold via torture and by signing a blood contract (that all of the raiders there carry).
They even have some unique dialogue.
>>318000539
no really, in fallout 3 you couldnt be anything but the guy/girl who lived their entire life in the vault. what fucking gives, thats not fucking roleplaying hurr durr hurr. and in fallout 2 you cant be anything other then the descendent of the vault dweller, what fucking crock of shit is thi-or, your argument is kinda stupid because literally every fallout locks you into a predetermined history, which you can alter only somewhat, in the newer ones. its the freedom AFTERWARDS thats considered the roleplaying. which blows in fallout 4.
>>318005616
If you read some of the terminals, there are some logs depending on which other raiders you've bumped off.
>>317999000
>double trips
Well, I guess it has to be true then.
>finish main story
>danse was my companion
>decide to get new companion
>tie between cait and valentine
>choose cait cause flirt option
>gain her trust
>flirt option appears in conversation
>nows my chance
>fucking charisma is to low
>failed persuasion
>friendzoned
>she still drops hits later on that shes into me
FUCK YOU BETHESTA I ALREADY DEAL WITH THIS SHIT IN REAL LIFE
other than that, the end game is pretty shitty, only a couple of BOS side quest and minute men settlement quest, I might as well just start my "punching only" play through
>>318006123
>not quicksaving in conversations and quickloading until you pass the charisma checks
Lrn2SaveScum
>>318003964
The Gunners are basically just raiders so there is that.
>>318001503
CoD has had better gunplay than Fallout for the entirety of Fallout's existence as a franchise.
>>318006284
>implying I am gonna sit there and reload saves over and over
nah also I am a console peasant so it takes longer to load and reload saves fuck that.
>>317999952
I meant JRPG as in it's an rpg in name only because it has stats and numbers.
You're following a mostly pre-set character and experiencing their story, rather then carving your own.
>>318006686
On PC the load times for quicksaves once the main game has been running is like 2 seconds.
>>318006686
Takes longer? It already takes fucking forever on PC, how the hell do you stand it on console?
>>317999146
that's not a triple double, it's a double trip
get your shit together bateman
>>317996804
My name is the wanderer, i go into combat all the time and i use only the strongest chems.
Until this Chem seller wouldn't sell me his strongest chems because his strongest chems can kill a deathclaw let alone a man like me.
After arguing for quite a while we saw past our differences and found out that we love eachother.
We've been married ever since.
The bitch still doesn't give me the strongest chems.
>>318007268
That video isnt funny.
>>318004836
>jrpgs are not rpgs
>Japanese role playing games are not role playing games
>>318007268
god you steamfags are cringeworthy
>>318007392
They aren't. They are character progression games.
>>318007392
They aren't.
Just because the nips stuck RPG at the end of them doesn't make them actual RPGs.
JRPGs are action games, nothing more.
Fallout new Vegas left it almost completely open ended all you know is you were taking a courier job so your back story can be anything. Also in fo4 your forced to be a good person no slavery or eugenics nope just building settlements cause you love people and also the plot is just fo3 in reverse but instead of trying to find Liam Nessie your trying to find your son who you just know as a baby also the main story ends as if you got on a train and just as it was leaving the station it just stops and you see a explosion out the side window
>>318007440
>>318007510
Give me an example of a true RPG from the last 5 years then.
>>318007510
Then fallout 4 is a WRPG. Just because western devs stuck RPG on the end of it doesnt mean its an RPG. Its an action game. WRPGs are action games. Nothing more.
>>318007813
divinity
>>318007392
They're really not. The title just kinda stuck because they were based off of pnp rpg systems, but they're really more of adventure, strategy or action games, depending on the game.
>>318007871
Fallout 4 is a shooter with perks, nothing more.
>>318007813
New Vegas
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xOGc0SK.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>317996804
>your character is literary the chosen one, have an an aunt, a tribe, and a predetermined intro sequence
>How am I supposed to roleplay in this game again? Not even being cynical. Literally how am I supposed to get into the mindset of a character who has already been set from the start?
Yea, it's almost like you're playing a Fallout game and not Elder Scrolls. Fuck you niggers for wanting Fallout to be even more like TES.
>>318000736
Jon Lajoie?
>>318007949
Still have a backstory. The combat feels like a traditional crpg, but the ui rips off Diablo. Has arpg elements.
Just because it's more magic and stats based doesn't make fallout less of an rpg. I suppose Skyrim wasn't to you too? What about morrowind?
>>318008431
>Just because it's more magic and stats based doesn't make fallout less of an rpg
What the retarded fuck are you even babbling about?
>>318007268
>>318008141
Back story. Further cemented by godawful dlc with the most grimdark nigger in video games with an obsession for bear and bull. Not stat heavy if fallout 4 isn't because it's the same fucking stat system. Try again.i say this as someone who has hundreds of hours in NV played. I think both are RPGs, but you can't say 4 isn't and NV is
>>318008431
Fallout 4 is a shooter with perks.
I realized this when I got the combat rifle, and the game became easy-as-fuck mode even on Survivor.
>>318008690
>NV
>god awful DLC
Also can you speak English?
>>318006328
What the fuck is the deal with the Gunners
They're like /k/ in the post-apocalypse and shoot first ask questions never.
This is so far the only interaction I've managed with them and it goes -
>Pay either 500 or 2000 caps or haggle
>Can pass, the others don't say anything, the Sergeant just says go on, one liners, no more interaction
>Say you can't pay, or refuse to pay, or walk away without talking
>They shoot you
>Run up to them and get too far or talk to the wrong person and you are immediately hostile to them
Had to approach them carefully and slowly to speak to the Sergeant only and then they wouldn't be hostile.
I ended up reloading my save after I haggled for 440 caps passage and just attacked them from a distance, then proceeded to have the most intense firefight of the game as they close on my position, each one lobbing Molotovs of which they had infinite amounts to throw (fucking /k// man) and after taking out the Sergeant I fled and ran to the Fishpacking plant, got on the roof and found a Sniper rifle there and fired at the other two who returned to guarding the bridge, finally killed the last one with a bottlecap mine.
That was a good fucking fight. Now I'm going to wipe out all the Gunners from their little highway fortresses after they proved themselves to be nothing but a nuisance to society.
>>318008690
>Back story.
Yeah but it's kept ultra vague so you can kind of fill in the blanks as much as you want.
>>318008567
Divinity is a mix of baldurs gate elements and Diablo. Someone suggested it as a true rpg. I am saying for it to be an rpg does not disqualify FO4 as one since people are arguing FO4 is not an Rpg.
>>318008690
>you can't say 4 isn't and NV is
Except you can. Are there any skills or skillchecks in F4?
No. None.
>>318003545
>No traits
>Less perks
>Less "skills"
>Perks are generic stat boost
>Lady Killer doesn't ad any unique dialog
>>318008818
Get fucked
>>318008875
FO4 isn't an RPG though.
I'm going to say it again. It's an RPG with perks. If it had skills, and actual weapon/armor requirements it would be an RPG, but it doesn't, so it isn't.
Hell it doesn't even have Karma, and stealing has no affect on anything except everyone shooting you immediately for stealing corn.
>>318008818
If you save one of your settlements from a gunner attack the settlers basically say that the Gunners are just raiders with fancier equipment and they will attack anyone who looks weak.
>>318008690
>>318008895
Yes. There are speech checks based on Charisma and doors and computers that can't be opened unless you have a skill at the right level.
>>318005616
there's also that Norwegian bandit ghoul gang.
>>318008431
You have a loose enough backstory to characterize your PC.
The problem with FO4 is too much backstory, even Mass effect had the right idea to have loose origins for your Shepard. Yeah, those origins didn't mean much in the grand scheme of things but at least you got to choose them yourself.
Hell, even Bioware had the right idea as to not make Shepard have a canon. Everything around Shepard can have a canon but not Shepard themselves. This actually allowed players to get immersed instead of being pulled straight out of the immersion because you picked the wrong gender.
I mean, I would rather have a game that defined everything about the character you're playing then have a game half ass my backstory and then expect me to care about it.
All in all, it feels like Todd was trying to get the Mass Effect/Bioware crowd without knowing why Mass effect was appealing in the first place.
survival is so easy wtf
>>318009028
So they extort when they can and then attack whoever, whenever they can, no different from raiders then.
I can't wait to wipe them all away, the highways will be safe to travel once more.
That is if they don't fucking respawn as soon as I'm out of sight and my actions have no real consequences.
>>318002748
Nope. Fallout, Fallout 3, and Fallout Nee Vegas all have pretty set shit. Fallout you're a Vault Dweller sent out to save your Vault. Fallout 3 you're always a Vault Dweller whose dad is the main drive behind the water purifier. New Vegas you're always a courier. Fallout 2 is the ONLY Fallout where you're basically a blank slate. The only back story you get is that you're the descendant of the Vault Dweller from Fallout 1.
>>318008813
My post was very clear. Godawful can be written as one word. I will express my thoughts again. The argument that 4 is not an RPG is centered around the fact that your character has an established backstory and is looking for his son. New Vegas' courier has an established backstory and is looking for revenge on Benny, the platinum chip, etc. Lonesome Road is the godawful DLC I refer to, which you could've guessed by when I said "grimdark nigger", or Ulysses, and "the bear and the bull." Most people did not like the courier having history with Ulysses in the way that Lonesome Road explained it and felt that it was a bad DLC. Therefore, if Fallout 4 cannot be an RPG solely due to the fact that the Sole Survivor has a backstory, neither can New Vegas. Is that clear enough for you or shall I break it down even further?
>People defending this game
>Even worse, people trying to drag the other Fallout games down to it's level
>>318009037
Those aren't speech-checks. They're merely different ways to get to the same result.
>Fallout Online
I can almost feel this happening
Bethesda might just do it
Todd might just be mad enough to do this shit
>>318009221
The Courier is more of a blank slate than the Chosen One.
The Chosen one has a whole family, ancestry and home town.
The Courier just has a job.
>>318009387
Does it or does it not check your stats/skills to determine your odds of passing?
>>318008895
Literary every encounter in Fallout 4 can be reduced to a skill check.
No other Fallout game before allowed me to, solely by being a radiant beacon of charisma and social intelligence, to not only strike up a conversation with any enemy in the game, but to converse, trade and convince them to join my side.
Max charisma in Fallout 2 and I can't even convince the ants to fuck off. Shit franchise turning into GOTY material.
>>317996804
I dont think that roleplaying should only be limited to your own special kornflake OC character that you define from start to finish.
Sometimes its nice to just play out a defined character in a specific setting and then see where you can take them with your own decisions.
Too bad that Bethesda games are fucking shit though.
>>318009428
You mean Zenimax. I really don't think anybody at Bethesda is interested in the concept but After TESuvious Online we'll see.
>>318009428
they've already raped the shit out of the lore in f4 so why not
>>318009481
It does not. You do not require something like 10 medicine or 20 intelligence.
The speech checks in F4 are completely random.
>>318009428
Maybe it will finally be a proper RPG, without the story revolving around the single player
>>318009559
It checks your stats and perks. Are you being intentionally obtuse by saying it doesn't count because it's not checking the one metric that YOU want it to check?
>>318009495
>Literary every encounter in Fallout 4 can be reduced to a skill check.
No it fucking can't You just shoot everything until it dies. This game is a walk in the park on Survivor with a fully upgraded combat rifle. The perks in this game are nothing more than damage multipliers.
>>318009531
>TES Online
Do people actually play that game? Nobody seems to care about this game
>>318009629
no it fucking doesn't
I've bypassed red speech options at 2 charisma
please stop being a fucking drone
>>318009559
You're basically arguing that Dungeons & Dragons aren't role-playing games because they're decided upon dice rolls.
>>317997805
I went in with high charisma because I thought I could bullshit my way through battles and other things.
Ignoring the shit dialogue and weak as fuck plot, all speech checks are RNG now.
>>318009728
no, you're just moving goalposts
>>317996804
Daily reminder witcherfags defended this
>>318009650
Did you miss the picture I posted or something, you daft cunt. Next time you're playing, try to talk down a Deathclaw into not attacking you and see how that goes without spending points in Charisma.
>Bethesdrones actually trying to defend FO4 as an RPG
holy fuck I hate bethesdrones so much they're the absolute worst and never know what the fuck they're talking about
>>318009881
I played all the Witcher games
and I still think F4 is boring as hell, what are you talking about
>>318009387
Says the guy who obviously hasn't played the fucking game. The speech checks aren't just giving you the same result. For one, it's impossible to romance companions without those checks. Second, there are quite a few quests that get different endings based on whether or not you pass a speech check or two. Off the top of my head is the Silver Shroud quest line. At the end the NPC you're tasked with saving is basically a dead man unless you choose one of two speech checks. One causes the main bad guys goons to run away, leaving you to try to kill said bad guy before he kills the NPC. The other convinces the bad guy and his men to try to kill you first, thus making it MUCH easier to save the NPC. Without either of those it's basically 100% chance the NPC is dead before you can kill the bad guy.
>>318001046
Yeah, it is though. It's on the same engine Bethesda has used for the past 15 years
>>318010054
But it's not.
Why is Fallout 4 so dumbed-down compared to previous Fallout games, and why does it have less content and fewer mechanics, despite being in production for seven years?
>>318009997
>The speech checks aren't just giving you the same result.
Oh wow I can extort caps, how different.
Oh man I can flirt, it's like I'm really playing a Bioware game.
>>317996804
You play as the wife and always reply with sarcasm.
>>318010096
Yes it is you fucking drone.
>>317996804
It's not that hard and if we're completely fair other Fallout games (even the good ones) had a certain amount of set up that defines your origin and long term goals. Fallout 4 goes the extra mile and a lot of the progress they thought was important (like full voice acting) locks you further into their story.
That said, you can look at the introduction as background and decide how your character wants to react to events around them. Personally I came out and pushed towards 'deranged murder hobo' shuffling around the wasteland killing anything that looks at me funny and being a shadow of his former self through grief.
It's possible, but if you don't want to discount the intro entirely you are locked into considering how your PC adapted to events and rationalize it to fit how you want to play.
>>318009997
The only speech checks I've seen have been asking for more money. Nothing important or quest related.
I also hate how all dialog checks are just Charisma now. It was so much better when we had speech checks for a variety of skills, perks, and SPECIAL. Now it's dumbed-down to shit.
>>318009819
You don't even know what "moving the goalposts" means because it's just nonsense to say something like that now.
No, you are claiming that Dungeons and Dragons aren't role-playing games because the base concepts are identical. Depending on if you have 2 or 4 in a skill makes your dice roll easier. It's the exact same principle in Fallout 3 and 4.
>>318009881
The Witcher as a game series is based on a book, and even if it calls itself an RPG game, I would only go as far to say its an action game with rpg elements.
It doesn't deserve as much hate as Fallout 4 does for its lack of roleplaying features, as it didn't come from a game series whose main features were for roleplaying.
>>318010197
But it's not.
>>318009997
tl;dr
every single conversation in F4 leads to a yes. Even no means yes but later.
>>318010219
>It was so much better when we had speech checks for a variety of skills, perks, and SPECIAL. Now it's dumbed-down to shit.
No it was awful, the speech skill made the charisma stat utterly useless.
>>318010230
Stop putting words in my mouth to support your shitty argument.
>>318010247
It's the same base they've been using since Morrowind.
"Creation Engine" is just another bullshit lie, like the no loading screen claims.
>>318010142
the only way
>>318010217
>Personally I came out and pushed towards 'deranged murder hobo' shuffling around the wasteland killing anything that looks at me funny and being a shadow of his former self through grief
Shame about all the unkillable essential NPC's then.
>>318001383
Honestly, this shit is dumb as hell
Skyrim (and Oblivion to a lesser extent) fucking killed the level up game. Only autists could complain about >muh roleplay in one breath and in the next, complain that you can't level up like an actual sperg
You get better at blocking by blocking. Being able to put points (wtf even is that???) into whatever you want makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
Until games like Fallout realize that you can't just sneak around all the time and use rifles, and then just decide you actually got stronger instead of sneakier when you level up, they will never be on Skyrim's level FROM A STRICTLY ROLE PLAY STANDPOINT
>>318010398
So Creation Engine is a lie. You have proof of this? Source code comparisons?
>>318010374
>less is better
Literally kill yourself. Charisma still played a role outside of conversations with skill checks.
>>318000787
Fallout 2 didn't have a voiced protagonist and had more then 4 dialog options.
And it had low Int dialog.
>>318010492
Ok. That doesn't change anything about the backstory and who the character is.
>>318007392
jRPGs are what happen if your DM likes to railroad hard
>>318010374
There's no reason why you can't have diverse speech checks, AND have Charisma being useful.
The reason why Charisma is more useful in isn't because it's the only stat used for speech checks you retarded faggot, it's because it has more useful perks that allows Charisma to be utilized in combat. They didn't have to dumb-down and limit dialog and skill checks on top of that.
One step forward and two steps back.
>>318010469
Creation is just a slightly visually improve Gamebryo and is recognized my Morrowid modding tools.
>>318006123
The flirt options appear later on if you fail them I thought? They're just a harder check
>>318010238
Oh fuck off.
In Fallout, your character is always a Vault Dweller from Vault 13. No matter what backstory you personally give him in your mind, he can never not be a Vault Dweller from Vault 13.
In Fallout 2, your character is always the Chosen One, grandchild of The Vault Dweller, born and raised in Arroyo, which you had never left until the start of the game.
No matter what, your character will always be from Arroyo, always the grandchild of the Vault Dweller from the first game, your life will always be isolated until the moment you leave on your journey because that is what the game demands.
In Fallout 3, you will always be the son of James and Catherine. You will always grow up in Vault 101, never allowed to leave, you will always get a pip-boy at the age of 10, and the most you can decide about your characters backstory is whether or not you like intentionally picking fights with Butch.
In New Vegas, no matter what you want your character to be, they'll always be a courier, who somehow know Chinese, under the employee of the Mojave Express who got a bad deal. You also used to work for the NCR before you nuked the Divide.
Sometimes the backstories are more vague than others, but your character ALWAYS has some kind of backstory, unlike say the Elder Scrolls series where all we know about our character is that they were arrested for "Something" (Which can be anything from false imprisonment to genocide to cannibalism) and our lives before that are the players to fill out how they like in their head.
Forced backstories are a mainstay of the Fallout franchise and anyone who bitches about it in Fallout 4 has clearly never played any of the other games in the series.
>>318008239
Yeah, having an aunt is a real defining character trait like having a wife and a son, dipshit.
>>318010813
The backstories in 1, 2, and NV don't get in the way of your gameplay, Fallout 4.
All your dialog options for conversations always revolve around "MUH SON", you're shoehorned and forced into pretending to care about your missing faggot son. You HAVE to follow the story by looking for him.
>>318010096
Yes it is you moron, Creation engine is just a renamed Gamebryo
>>318003497
>The only Fallout game with an actual loose backstory is New Vegas.
No it's not. You're limited to only being a courier looking for revenge (if we're going by the standards of the no-imagination losers that constantly use the "no roleplaying" thing for Fallout 4).There's even a DLC all about your backstory that you had no part in deciding.
>>318011006
[Citation Needed]
>>318010469
>You have proof of this?
It's files are recognized by modding tools for fucking Morrowind.
>>318011031
Can't you ignore the whole revenge angle?
>>317996804
why ist more people talking about how shit the ending was? That cutscene was so fucking shit and everything before that as well.Although racist optimus prime was cool
Fallout 4 is as much of an RPG as Borderlands/2.
>>318011083
How about the Creation Engine wiki page retard
>>318010418
yeah, don't I know it. I guess I can still either be a complete asshole to them or shoot them and be forced to retreat.
Oh yeah, and a free dog whether I like it or not. In all fairness Dogmeat fits what I want to play and I could just tell him to stay at Sanctuary for the rest of the game. It's just a reminder of how Bethseda does these things.
Also, I swear I walk into way more fucking bugs then most people in this run. Most of them involve me acting too quickly while someone is saying something. Game seems to break in some way every hour or two.
>>318011159
Not if you want to do the main quest. You can forgive him but only once you're there. That's as bad as only being allowed to kill Shaun when you first meet him.
>>318011031
>You're limited to only being a courier looking for revenge
You don't have to get revenge if you don't want to. You don't even have to confront Benny.
>>318010647
>>318011157
Bullshit
>>318011159
You can ignore the whole looking for your son angle too, and just kill him when he shows up for the first time or not meet him at all.
>>318011083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyVQ9KaPxRI
>>318011169
Aren't there multiple endings?
Fallout 4 is a regular game with a story, then you can role play after you finish the story.
You still have the backstory set for you, but you can go wherever you want with that then.
>>318011275
Fallout 3 is just as bad as 4 but I didn't want to focus on that since we're talking about 4
3 suffers from the same problems only, "MUH DAD" instead of "MUH SON"
>Your dialogue options are only limited to "muh son" for the main quest
False, see:
>>318002921
>>318011318
Use wiki you dumb fuck.
>The Creation Engine is a 3D video game engine created by Bethesda Game Studios based on the Gamebryo engine
It's just a slightly prettier Gaembryo.
>>318011470
>Based on
So my Bugatti Veyron is the same as a Ford Model T because it's based on the same concept of 4 wheels and a combustion engine.
>>318010986
>The backstories in 1, 2, and NV don't get in the way of your gameplay, Fallout 4.
It did in 2.
Living your whole life in a tribe, for all we know NEVER seen a computer, and only being good at hacking computers and using energy weapons, how the fuck doesn't the backstory get in the way in Fallout 2.
> Man you're really good with computers, what did you say you did before you got here?
> Spent my whole life gathering plants and hunting animals with my stone-age tier tribe.
>>318011372
>You can ignore the whole looking for your son angle too,
Not really, since all of your dialog options revolve around finding your son.
In NV you can at least come off as a guy who wants to find the chip to simply finish the job you started, not giving a fuck about Benny himself.
>>318011372
It's kinda hard to ignore when a lot of dialogue options bring it up. The only other option is to pick the weirdly vague "I'm just looking for something". It's like trying to ignore how the game forces "Diamond City?" into half its conversations, even after you've been there or have already been told exactly what it is.
>>318005546
No that would've been too much work
>>318011378
There's 6 endings but people are easily locked out of them so a lot of people have no idea.
For me, the real role playing killer in Fallout 4 was the totally faggy voice acting. Holy shit that dude sounds like a faggot bitch. You can't even pretend to be a tough guy, because your character sounds like he's easily the biggest pussy in the Commonwealth
>>318011539
Why don't you read the wiki. All Creation added was real-time shadows and better detail for distant objects. The exact same bugs have existed for every Bethesda title, how someone who played their previous titles couldn't realise it was a re-skinned Gamebryo is beyond me
>>318009997
>Without either of those it's basically 100% chance the NPC is dead before you can kill the bad guy.
Weird. I just talked like the Shroud to drive off the goons and then killed the main baddie before he killed the NPC. No speech check involved.
>>318011318
its a bit more complex then that. you rent the gamebyro code from someone else completely. hence, it being used to make civ 4, and epic mickey, and completely different games. but you can also modify and license it, making it propertiery, so no one else can use "that version". so its gamebyro, with pretty much fallout 3`s assets and tools wholesale ripped, with some new, fallout 4 things like godrays and other meaningless graphical updates, packaged together as a "new engine". its quite likely shit from fallout 3 will work with just some minor modifications, to take into account these new graphical additions. otherwise, yeah. its gamebyro but with even more legal protection against modding and reverse engineering.
>>318011447
Oh okay, FNV is limited to "MUH BENNY MUH PLATINUM CHIP" you can't even have a conversation without being railroaded into it and you can't walk into new vegas without being railroaded into speaking with house + the two guys from the other factions.
Fuck off with your hyperbole
>>318011598
No this isn't true at all. I played 20 hours before even going to Diamond city and I almost forgot what the main goal of the game was. If you're only following the main quest, then yes but then you might as well go play COD because linear crap is more your type of game.
>>318011649
Only dialogue for the main quest since that's what the main quest is.
>>318011687
Not really, in some respects it would have been easier. Just have both VAs narrate the starting monologue, then the rest of the game only has to acknowledge either Nate or Nora as being a vet instead of Vault-Tec rep just being a door to door salesman giving Nora a pitch for no reason.
>>318011378
>>318011725
Ive only seen video of one, but from the wiki...
"The Fallout 4 ending cutscenes do not depend on how the Sole Survivor has finished certain quests or interacted with other people. It appears all endings and choices lead to the same cutscene (aside from the first slide in The Institute ending) in which the Sole Survivor recalls the end of the world, the inevitability of facing one's future, and the constant truth that "war never changes".
Why do people defend F4's story and writing so fucking much? It is a fun open world shooter but thats about it. As a rpg, its fucking shit, and the writing is horrible, why cant people just admit that?
>>318011875
>Oh okay, FNV is limited to "MUH BENNY MUH PLATINUM CHIP" you can't even have a conversation without being railroaded into it and you can't walk into new vegas without being railroaded into speaking with house + the two guys from the other factions.
This isn't true though. Finding Benny was only the first small stage of the story questline, and only came up if you followed the objective to ask leading up to New Vegas. Beyond that, it was never relevant. You weren't forced to pretend to care.
>>317997808
If you're male, the wife carries the baby. When I played I thought that was bullshit, as the father was a soldier. Bethesda probably just didn't want to go through the trouble of making a first person baby carrying animation so they just made the npc do the work.
>>318012112
Because Bethesdrones think Bethesda are flawless and can do no wrong.
>>318011378
There's only 2 cutscenes for the ending,the "monologue over blowing up the Institute" cutscene and the "Shaun dies, you become CEO of Institute-Corp" cutscene
