"You're all diamonds"
Imagine Hayter trying to deliver that line
>>317985290
Diamonds, huh?
>>317985290
Imagine Keifer delivering more than 10 lines the entire game.
>>317985290
you're that diamond...
>>317985290
hayter hasnt done a good voiceover sine mgs2
>>317985479
This
Chief-Kief was actually growing on me but then he just stopped talking for the rest of the game
Quiet had more lines
Would have been much better.
All of Snake's lines would have been much better.
>>317985290
Why would he?
Venom said it not big boss
Hayter is Big Boss, Kiefer is Venom
>>317985387
>comparing voice actors to the script itself
S M H
M
H
You're... all... diamonds?
Snake, diamonds are the strongest metal known to man
"Metal...?"
>>317985725
Then why was Kiefer the voice in Ground Zeroes?
>>317985657
>He cost so much they could only afford him for half the game
>>317985290
>>317985479
hes not supposed to talk. The entire point of the game is NOT TALKING. Further, his clint eastwood-western esq personality dictates his lack of nonsensical talking.
Skullfaces plan is essentially to make the entire world shut the fuck up. Literally.
A game series renowned for be being Outlandishly wordy, is for once, Quiet.
metal gear solid is a meta-work-of-art if there ever was one.
>>317985863
Because it would have ruined the plot-twist
Imagine having Hayter in gz and as Ishmael in tpp
His voice is too recognizable
Kiefer's voice was easily recognizable as Ishmaeel too
>>317985943
So why didn't just give "Snake" the parasite? Instead of having a oversexual pointless character make Snake the quiet one. He already is for 90% of the game and would've been a great twist into why he doesn't talk much
>a slice of American pie on Communist soy oil
>soy oil
Wow.
>>317986131
>>317985725
Japanese voice actor is the same across all the saga.
Your argument is invalid.
>>317986592
It means Venom and Big Boss have the same voice
Kiefer is supposed to be Venom but was BB as well for the sake of the twist
>>317985290
its a shitty cringe line either way
just like the rest of hackjimas writing
>>317986172
he doesnt talk much because hes a caracature of The lone, stoic gunman. I have no idea why people construct reasons or arguments for him talking more.
The girl has the parasite to juxtapose the inherent concept of "feeling" "emotion" and "love" being transcendent of words, even in War. Venom is a "listener" whos action is dictated by the words of others. From the very beginning of the game, he is listening and responding to conversations, radio chatter, soliloquies in jeeps... and speaks through the action of war. His language is War.
What is with Japan's obsession with melodramatic exposition?
>>317985479
FUCK
ITS GETTING LIT IN HERE
>>317985845
Diamonds aren't metal
>>317985290
>GYYRRAAHH!! I WON'T SCATTER YOUR SORROW GYRRR TO THE HEARTLESS SEA?! SEA?! GRRRRRR
game was better off without hayter
>>317986756
No, just no, fuck off.
>>317987072
more like Sutherland is expensive
>Kept you waiting, huh?
Imagine Keifer voicing that line.
>>317988154
Why so mad bro?
>>317988245
He did it perfect. Twice.
>>317988174
except he wasnt. Are you really having this hard of a time understanding that the character was designed to talk very little?
see
>>317985943
Have you ever seen any of the "Dollars" trilogy, Eastwood western films? This was the foundation for Venoms characterization.
>The Hudson River, two years ago... We had classified intelligence that a new type of Metal Gear was being transported. The whole thing stank... but our noses had been out in the cold too long.
Imagine Keifer reading none of this because when he voices Snake a fucking mute retard.
>>317986756
Holy shit your entire post was countered by the one you quoted.
Kojimadrones are this deluded.
>>317988347
So he said it so fast, that he actually said it twice?
Interesting,
THE WORLD CALLS FOR WETWORK
>>317988518
So what about Solidus?
Akio voiced Solidus too
>There's more dialog spoken by Snake in the opening lines of MGS2 and MGS3 than the entirety of MGS5.
>People are ok with this because muh hayter hate band wagon, Keifer can do no wrong even if he never talks
>>317988174
It has been stated by hayter himself that he was more expensive. Kiefer also did a ton of mocap.
>>317988574
He does the line in the start of GZ and he does it for Kaz as venom when you rescue him.
MGS2 Snake
>
MGS1 Snake
>
MGS3 Snake
>
MGS Twin Snakes Snake
>
Keifer Snake
>
MGS4 Snake
>
Peace Walker Snake
-
It's a shame that Hayter peaked with the game where you only play Snake during the first quarter of it, and once he became a CODEC number to call he was unavailable half the time.
>>317989014
Does he say the line at Mach 5 in Phantom Pain too?
>>317988742
"THIS IS THE ENEMY, AND WE HAVE HIM ON HIS KNEES!" - Kaz "Fullton a Koon, I'll shoot the balloon" Miller
>>317989153
No he says it slow when talking to kaz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hubEaNmTklk
If I have to choose between
Mmmmggrrr Kept you grumble grumble wait grumble huh?
VS
Keptyawaitinghuh *silence forever after*
I choose "bring back Raiden or something, fuck Snake"
>>317986592
Kojima has stated multiple times that the english dub is the definitive version of MGS. It is widely known that Kojima doesn't care as much about the japanese version. To him, the english version is the one that matters.
>>317989065
All Hayter had to do was tone down the raspiness. Especially in Peace Walker holy shit. He knew Richard Doyle voiced Big Boss, so he knew his voice got LESS raspy.
>>317989265
>It's really you snake
So did he know about the fake big boss plan?
>>317989065
Kiefer>MGS1>MGS4>MGS3>MGS2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PW
>>317989280
[citation needed]
>>317989265
>This is the only thing Snake says at all during a pivotal scene in the game
>It's optional and easily missed
>It's not even well delivered a line, AGAIN, sounds awkward as hell especially given the current situation
Yeah wow Keifer is so great
>>317987072
>Cringe: the cutscene
>>317989278
>Mmmmggrrr
>>317989391
Look it up for yourself faggot. It's a widely known fact that Kojima doesn't give a shit about the japanese versions of MGS.
>>317989441
>It's not even well delivered
But it is?
I think you're just a nostalgiaboy for Hayter, that's ok bro.
>>317989364
>Kiefer>MGS1>MGS4>MGS3>MGS2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PW
Jesus chirst, this is bait I can't help but take
>Implying Skullface isn't the best in MGSV
The only character that's better is Kaz or Pequod's pilot.
>>317989504
>Look it up for yourself faggot.
>Its a widely know fact out of my ass
The burden of proof is on you, fuck off kojimadrone.
>>317985290
>"You were the diamond in that mudpit"
>>317989525
>Question mark after an incomplete sentence that wasn't meant to be a question
>Nostalgia for an ongoing series where most of the games came out in the last decade and only recently switched voice actors for the main character
Get off my board kid
>>317985605
he never did a good voiceover
>>317989735
Looking up research is always on you when you're on the internet, faggot. This isn't a formal debate, I'm not going to back up my words with proof when you can easily google them for yourself.
Now suck a dick.
>>317989819
>I'm not going to back up my words
Stopped reading right there, thanks lad
>>317985290
As much as I initially hated Keifer, I came to like him. Does anyone know why they didn't hire the guy who does Big Boss' voiceat the end of MGS4?would have fit pretty well, I think.
>>317989637
>One of the best characters in the game is a faceless pilot
The horrible thing is you're not wrong.
>>317986378
What are you high on to hear that?
>>317985943
...Except for the oodles of unused dialogue that has been datamined.
>>317987072
>His language is War.
But this isn't the story to do that in. It's not compelling at all because it was expected to be Big Boss and tie everything together. As you state, the Dollars Trilogy does it with infinitely more finesse. There was no sense to doing this with MGSV.
>>317989868
Welcome to 4chan. It seems you are new here.
>>317989504
>it's widely known Kojima doesn't give a shit about the Japanese
>Look it up
LOL, how fucking delusional can you get?
Keifer delivered though. The "diamonds out of ashes" scene is probably one of the most well acted scenes in the entire metal gear series.
He delivered all those line perfectly.
>Most of the games came out in the last decade
>PW 2005
>MGS3 2004
>MGS4 2014
Yea really last decade
>>317985387
you noticed how big boss started to talk like that when speaking to venom.
>venom: what happen to the woman?
>big boss: the woman?
>>317985479
Kiefer actually recorded a lot more lines, some of them are still within the game's data. Apparently, according to an interview with one of the programmers at Konami, in the near-end stage of development, Kojima approached them and said he wants to cut off most of Kief's dialogue to make him sound more like Max Rockatansky from the new Mad Max.
I wish I was joking.
>>317988387
>This was the foundation for Venoms characterization.
>>317990075
GZ and TPP are the only MGS games in this decade
>>317990158
>Most of the games
>MGS4
>MGSV
>GZ
3 games? That isn't most.
>>317985479
OH SHIT
>>317985290
Imagine Hayter in this scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZO5gYPK4t8
>>317990102
Kojima became too Hollywood in the end and the game lost all its soul because of it. Fun gameplay meh everything else.
THIS IS THE ENEMY
AND HE'S HERE ON HIS KNEES
Imagine Hayter saying that.
>>317990215
Read again, retard
GZ and TPP are the only MGS games in this decade, in the last decade we had MGS2(2002), MGS3(2004), MGPO(2006), MGS4(2008) and PW(2010)
"You're all Doritos"
Imagine Geoff Keighley trying to deliver that line.
>you're all diamonds
>in the ruff
>>317990306
>mfw venom literally dreamed about shoving his hand inside paz' vagina
I was playing some MGS1 the other day and holy shit. That Snake voice is so perfect. Almost non-raspy at all.
>>317989879
Of course not.
>>317990609
>that joke at a quiet exit
>Wow quiet i didn't know you could be so talkative.
>>317990409
I might cry seeing all those people that dew
>>317989360
I will remind everyone that there is a position in voice acting called the "voice director", who tells the actors what to do and when to gargle the rocks.
Kojima and the director went with the rocks.
>>317985290
>rather have a mute then Snakes original VA
I fucking hate it when they change VA for popular video game characters. It changes the character completely.
>I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea
>plant your roots in me
>I will always be with you
>>317990379
Who the fuck counts time like you do?
>>317990306
>Hruuughhhh, you are all... diamonds.... huh?
It's funny how this thread, not a very large thread either, has listed every single line Snake says in MGSV with the lag line "Imagine Hayter voicing this" in an effort to prove it was the right choice to replace Hayter with Keifer.
Try listing every single line Snake has in MGS1 in a single 4chan thread.
You can't, because the number of them that exist in that game can't be counted on your hands and feet.
>>317985290
I think he could pull it off if he went back to MGS2 Snake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seuq0haB43g
If Snake was voiced by Hayter, he'd probably have more than literally two short lines of dialog in that cutscene.
>>317991078
Everyone?
>>317985887
>Then the game cost so much they could only afford hald the game
>>317991237
MGS2 truely was peak Snake.
After games really started to give a shit about voiceovers in games and actually had decent sound equipment, but before Hayter and Kojima decided Snake needed to sound like he was drowning in phlegm.
Makes the fact you don't play as him in that game hurt again, over a decade later.
>>317988387
>Have you ever seen any of the "Dollars" trilogy, Eastwood western films? This was the foundation for Venoms characterization.
Shit nigger, i just saw all of them recently because i discovered the love for western and i can't hardly make anything out besides subtle design ideas. And i won't take the wrist or that he hides his arm as a hint for Venoms prosphetic.
Don't make shit up like those nine-eleven tinfoil hatters.
Game is shit, story is shit, has fapbait, gameplay is mediocre, nothing about this is good written.
If Kojimbles thinks he can write, he should try writing a TV series or a movie and then let all his retcons fuck him in the ass afterwards and the fans calling him out on this bullshit inconsistency.
>>317991785
Well, to be fair, he didn't plan any of the later games when doing Metal Gear Solid.
>You now realize MGSV could have been a complete game if Kojima hadn't spent 3/4ths of the budget on Sutherland
>>317991390
In the last decade we've had PO onwards, since the last decade was 2005-2015. Next year the "last decade" will be 2006-2016.
Kiefer isn't a bad as the voice of snake (especially now that he isn't slurring his speech like in GZ).
His voice acting is good, but there isn't much of it whatsoever. And the few times he does say something, it's generally very straight-laced bland things like "yeah, got it." There's absolutely no flairB-B-BUT KOJIMA PURPOSEFULLY MADE HIM NOT SPEAK BECAUSE OF HIS MASTERFUL RUSE!!! That's a bullshit cop-out and you know it.
>>317988387
Blondie says more in the Good the Bad and the Ugly, a movie that's 177 minutes, in a genre known more for it's gunfighting and other such action then dramatic dialog, then Snake says in the entirety of MGSV, a videogame is a series known more for it's dramatic dialog than it's gun fighting, that can take over 100 hours to complete to 100%.
>>317990409
Is he supposed to be eating it?
All I see is snek rubbing dorito cheese all over his face
>>317991961
>3/4ths
Rumors say he costed somewhere around 500k.
You niggas have to realize that Sutherland isn't that big, without 24 he would be a nobody.
He's a known actor, but he isn't goddamn Robert Downey Jr.
>>317985290
i honestly dont get whats supposed to be cringy about that moment.
Never heard of poetry?
DIAMONDS?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGOb1TcO-8o
All I wanted was for that
CONSECUTIVE
C
Q
C
line to be in the game
>>317991213
Dude, Hayter in MGS 1 and 2 was really great but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YefmWA_exss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMilA34KGXw
>>317992304
What's really cringey is your name, faggot
>>317991907
I know that, i posted this also in earlier threads OFTEN to support my claims, because Kojimbles wanted to do other stuff long ago but FUCKING Konami didn't let him. They milked out Metal Gear and Kojima, and i hope there is something left for the future, a fresh new start with a completely new IP.
I rather would've had ZOE3 than MGSV, and i have a feeling it would've been a better, more diverse game, lifting itself up beyond the sea of shooters and war games.
>>317991237
MGS2 Snake is just honey in my ears.
>>317990306
1:00
Poor V, forced to remember the incident as the real Snake.
Guys i'm trying to get my Eli voice down.Pls no hate http://vocaroo.com/i/s1x7YT2GUnYN
>>317988387
I don't remember Eastwood sitting around doing idle animations while Angel Eyes was giving his villain monologue
>>317992420
What are you trying to disprove exactly?
My post was about the quantity and you posted more Snake spoken dialog with those two videos than all of what exists MGSV combined, without a doubt.
Regardless, I'll take Phlegm Snake over Mute Retard Snake any day.
>>317992610
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s1x7YT2GUnYN
>>317992502
>Could have had ZoE3 instead of MGSV
>MGSV was the one of the most disappointing games of the year
>Kojima is gona
>Konami owns the rights to ZoE
>If we ever see a new game in the series it will be a pachinko machine
>>317992424
What's really cringey is you caring about it, faggot.
>>317985845
>>317987972
They're also not strong. They're hard.
>>317992610
Sounded like Eli mimicking himself. You got the voice right, but act more dominant like the enraged brat he is.
>>317992731
whoops the ZOE HD collection sold like shit, guess people is not interested :(
>>317992610
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0iwp2TIUVwt
>>317991785
In the dollars trilogy, Eastwoods character is sometimes referred as "Manco" a word meaning 1 armed. Also his guns have Silver snakes engraved in the handles.
>I'm already a GOTY edition
That line took me out of the game.
>>317992840
>Have a blindfolded Orangutan program the port
>Surprised it sells like shit
FUCK KONAMIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>317992872
>>317989810
That's not true anon, what about smash?
>>317992915
like i said, sublte.
This isn't a foundation for a charachter. A man isn't profiled by how he looks primarly, rather how he acts.
>>317992872
That's actually not bad.
>>317992632
Watch "Unforgiven" then. Its the epilogue to those movies.
>pic related
the game should have ended with Salhentrhapus exploaded and then instead of a hand to hand fight like in traditional metal gear, you had a Shootout with Skullface at high noon. 1 shot. bang the end.
>>317991785
I like how people were totally hyped and sucking Kojima's dick before MGSV, but now that MGSV's story is mediocre, everyone hates him.
Considering the mayor fuck up that MGS4 was, I can see you all going back to sucking Kojima's dick in about 2 years.
>>317992727
Posting Joosten isn't enough feedback.
>>317992816
Alright i'll try and improve.
>>317993069
http://vocaroo.com/i/s16KpK5fAOVK
>>317991961
You do realize hayer would have cost double that, right?
>Tfw mgs fans are fucking retarded and all regurgitate what some other retarded mgs fan before them says
>>317992404
Fucking hell imagine if MGSV was like this
>Diamond Dogs?
>Afghanistan?
>Soviets?
>Bionic Arm?
>Wolf?
>Skullface?
>XOF?
>Skulls?
>Parasite?
>Code Talker?
>Medical Platform?
>Huey?
>Africa?
>Fulton?
>Metal Gear?
>Base Camp?
>Infection?
>>317992279
>implying
I don't think you guys take into account all the mocap kiefer did, he had 16 or so lines but he did a ton of mocap.
>>317993239
There's a rule in the Screen Actor's Guild that the more times an actor returns for a given part, the higher his paycheck has to be. So blame Hollywood, not Kojima.
>>317993239
You are delusional if you think Hayter would cost more than Sutherland
The man was salty as fuck that he didnt get to be in MGSV. I bet he wouldve done it for a fourth of Sutherland's fee
Hayter genuinely cares about the series and the dude loves playing Snake
>>317993171
What was that Plaze even there for? Doesn't seem the kind of graveyard that would have large receptions or anything, and it's at least 200 graves worth of space used up.
>''Small... village...?''
Fucking hell, Skullface's ride would have been even worse with Hayter.
>>317993393
It would have greatly increased my enjoyment of story missions.
>>317993393
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zhucdA2J5E
>>317990306
What the... I'm pretty sure in my game Paz didn't have her entrails hanging out like that
>>317985479
Kieferdrones B T F O
>mfw I always thought Hayter was in the ruse and he would appear at the end of MGS5 as Solid Snake
>he didn't
>all that baby-rage on twitter was real
>>317993420
Literally anyone can be taught to mocap, and literally anyone who's of the right height and build could have mocapped snake, especially if it was strictly just cutscenes.
>>317993420
Wasn't the mo-cap work just for facial expressions?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/739464-metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes/credit
According to this Erik Brown did Snake's mocap work.
>>317990319
>too Hollywood
What are you talking about, one of the complaints is the lack of story.
I'm actually impressed with how few cutscenes there were in the game.
>>317993532
At least he would have said something in those 5 minutes of nothing
>>317993761
Yes and it was a ton of mocap, he said he worked on the game for a year.
>>317993729
Not for a face.
>>317993532
No it wouldn't have.
Literally anything would have been better then the awkward ride with captain autism that we got.
>>317993467
Do you know how much he was making by the end of peace walker? Keifer not only cost less but was a much better actor. There's a thing called the actors guild friend, look it up.
>>317993393
But really though, you are aware that Hayter doesn't write Snake's dialogue, right?
>>317993852
No, it wouldn't.
Getting rid of Hayter is one of the few things this game did well.
That talentless hack has no job for a reason.
>>317993848
What a waste of his time. At least he got paid the entire games budget.
>>317993848
Keifer doesn't look like Snake at all, and vise versa.
>>317993171
SHOULDA COULDA WOULDA
We should stop this guys, i mean it, i get triggered everytime someone posts about this game. I need to stay abstinent
>>317993189
> I can see you all going back to sucking Kojima's dick in about 2 years.
>generalizing
>/v/ has suddenly one opinion they agree upon
never gonna happen
>>317993393
>Sahelan...
>...thropus?
>Muyaha...
>...din?
>Metallic?
>Archaea?
>White?
>Mamba?
>>317994007
Yeah, literally the worst cutscene in the entire series history would've been worse if it had one of the things it sorely lacked, you got me kid, great job.
>DON'T YOU SEE, HE'S A WOLF
>A wolf huh...?
>YOU SHOULD BE ON THIS BOAT SNAKE
>I should huh...?
>>317994151
This vs
>...
>...
>...!
>...
>...
>...?
>...
>...
>WE'LL MAKE DIAMONDS FROM THEIR ASHES THO
>>317994034
>Kiefer doesn't look like snake
>>317993627
it was removed from the Japanese version.
>>317993891
>>317993467
He BTFO out of you senpai. Why are MGS fans all autists that think they know everything then go mute when theyre proven wrong? loving every laugh
You know what the worst part about arguing with MGSV drones is? They think in absolute black and white.
You can't complain about the unfinished lackluster plot, lack of character personality, extremely sparse voice acting/cutscenes, etc without some faggot retorting by saying "LOL WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE SNAKE REPEATING SOMETHING EVERY FIVE SECONDS AND HOUR LONG CODEC CALLS!? :^)"
>>317994424
Why was Skull Face so much better in Ground Zeroes?
>>317994424
Are you black or something? Do you think all us whiteys look the same? Looks nothing like any iteration of Snake, including the one he fucking voice and mocapped.
>>317994384
Words vs perfomance
>>317994536
He wasn't.
>GZ
>Menacing cowboy
>TPP
>Hilarious cowboy
Everyone knows cowboys aren't menacing.
http://strawpoll.me/5880654/
>>317994523
>autists that think they know everything then go mute
Are you describing MG fans, or Venom Snake?
>>317994536
Because you didn't know shit about him, and there was so little information in the entire paid demo that you still didn't have any idea of how things would play out.
>>317994665
Good work
>>317994657
Strawpoll?
>>317994536
Air of mystery plus not wearing that stupid mask.
>>317994624
Used to be Metal Gear had both, but that was before your time I imagine.
>>317994729
Nice
>>317994934
>Used to be Metal Gear had both
Lol, no it didn't.
>>317994979
You have to be 18 to post here.
>>317994948
Best choice honestly.
>>317994948
that choice is disgusting
I blame a lot of the game's problem on the tapes. So many of them are just characters talking at Snake, sure it works for delivering the story but it's not an actual conversation like codec calls were. And you can't just pop a tape in at random points and get different dialogue like you could by calling different people after doing certain things. I really miss stuff like Snake and SIGINT going full autism over guns or asking why the fuck you're wearing a crocodile hat.
Even Rising had pretty good codec calls if you bothered to take a break and call people.
>>317994657
>all those underage MGS3 babbies
>>317994657
5880654/r huh...?
>>317994657
>shit taste: the poll
>What happened to the woman?
>>The woman?
>Who are you?
>>Who am I?
Imagine Hayter trying to deliver this lines.
>>317994536
Cause he actually was evil and you saw him do, or hear doing evil things.
Now you hear he wants to wipe out enlgish from the world, and when i look at america, i hardly think it's that bad of an idea. So he got pretty meh up till his death. I wanted at least some kind of fight or some kind of prove for his "cleaning up" skills and if that guy would ever actually pose a threat without his toys.
Makes the whole clean up even more unbelievable.i hate retcons
>>317994657
>mfw MGSV is the only one I like
garbage series t.b.h f.a.m., at least the gook went out with a bang
>>317988940
>not hiring Tom Jane
https://youtu.be/NgWY1_ck_RU?t=5395
"Arrowhead project?"
>>317995123
The tapes were fucking bullshit. They might as well have said "congrats on beating the latest mission! As your reward, here's some scraps of story of stuff that happened while you were gone"
That and miller/ocelot just telling me to listen to a tape on my idroid for the next mission instead of telling me directly. Takes all urgency/relevancy out of everything. Tapes were a mistake.
>>317995298
>What happened to the woman?
>>The woman?
>The woman huh...?
>Who are you?
>>Who am I?
>Who are you huh...?
>>317985943
>>317987072
Reading this shit makes me so glad i gave up on this games story mode.
>>317995148
I'm curious as to why there's so many "mgs3 babbies"
mgs3 was my first mgs game I played because I saw the shagohod trailer when it first came out.
but why mgs3?
>>317994657
>liking videogames
>>317994536
Skull face in Ground Zeroes
>Mysterious
>Threatening
>Sets a brutal trap to kill BB involving snukes
>Cool design
>First appearance is in a great cutscene
Skull Face in Phantom Pain
>Ineffective
>Hammy
>Cartoonish
>SUCH
>A
>LUST
>FOR
>REVENGE
>WHOOOOOOOOOOOO
>That dumbass mask and cowboy hat
>Dies like a bitch, unintentionally, by his own weapon piloted by team Shotacon, finished off by Captain Kekold
>Once he's dead XOF just becomes a part of Cipher again, and Skull Face is forgotten, making his entire arc completely pointless
>>317985479
Why don't modders just mod in some sgt. Roebuck dialogue?
>>317994531
Lol fuck off. The hate from V is from a bunch of kids who can't stand that the game isn't perfect and picking nits to justify it
>>317995554
He had the cowboy hat in GZ though.
Reminder
https://soundcloud.com/dndmovies/extended-skull-face-speech
>>317995462
Probably people who didn't have a PS1 and thus didn't play MGS1, but had a PS2 since fucking everyone had a PS2. And people still fucking argue about MGS2 so obviously not as many people would consider it the best.
Or they were just too young to get MGS1 or 2 when they came out so 3 was their first Metal Gear and they had trouble going back and playing the others.
Or hell maybe they just liked the game the most.
He doesn't talk because brainwashing him into being as autistic as Big Boss went wrong and he just became a different kind of autist.>>317995554
>Imagine this line read by Hayter
You know how you can imagine every line in the past games as being read by Keifer?
Just hit mute whenever Snake is about to speak.
>>317995818
>Are you with the pentagon? Thanks for rescuing me! Here's a tape detailing the situation here. I've uploaded it to your iDroid
>>317988827
>opening lines of MGS2 and MGS3
Nigga the MGS3 opening lasted like 50 fucking minutes of pure dialog, it's not a normal comparison
>>317995676
This is awful
>>317993189
Ground Zeroes was fantastic, the hype is totally justified.
>>317995554
AKA I'm going to nitpick a game and praise the previous one because the Zelda cycle is now being applied to every single franchise, even though we all know GZ was a forgettable and mediocre scam.
>Hohoho, I didn't know everything, this thing came out back when I was still hyped and I didn't know enough to realize the game was not going to be what I wanted, don't you see how good it was?
No, it's the same shit.
>Mysterious
No.
>Threatening
AKA edgelord.
>Sets a brutal trap to kill BB involving snukes
Wow, impressive, I mean, it's nothing compared to having the entire damn world under his control.
>Cool design
Which becomes shitty because he wears the mask.
>First appearance is in a great cutscene
Which you all now praise because you disliked TPP.
Don't worry, when MGS6 comes out, you will all be talking automatically about how shitty it was compared to
>insert here moment from TPP that wasn't brought into the light before but that then it will be praised for reasons no one gave a fuck before.
>>317995443
This is why Hayter was axed. You can't have two characters voiced by Hayter interact with each other without getting an infinite recursive loop.
>>317990075
>>PW 2005
I think you're a bit off m8
>>317995148
m8 I'm 25 and MGS3 was fucking amazing.
3+dx > 1 > 2 > 5 > 4
>>317995818
Liquid: FOX!
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Meryl: Wow Snake, he died!
>>317996002
GZ was a paid demo, a scam.
A ''game'' that didn't get praised until TPP came out, and the game itself is just a completely cut down TPP, less features, clunkier, hell, you can't even knock on walls, and the moment you get close to a wall you automatically stick to it.
Nobody said
>OH WOW, DON'T YOU SEE HOW GOOD THE OPENING WAS
until after TPP.
I mean, the MGS fanbase is applying the Zelda cycle to a fucking paid demo, and you managed to get hyped for MGS5 even after the disaster of MGS4.
You will get hyped for MGS6, you will say that MGS6 sucks, and then you will all praise MGS5 and forget about GZ completely.
>>317996002
And TPP was just more GZ so..
>>317992783
Wanna see what else is hard? *whips off dick*
>>317995982
That's 49 minutes more than all of MGSV
It's a perfect comparison just because of how utterly through it points out how little MGSV actually had in it
>>317996415
No it isn't. Sorry snake didn't talk enough(???)
>>317985290
imagine if kojima didn't write like a 12 year old
>>317996228
An autonomous walking battle tank!
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But YOU KNEW this already, right?
>>317996536
Are you Kojima, why are you apologizing for his fuck up?
>>317996314
Shut up Mr. Zelda Cycle.
>>317996002
GZ was a 30 dollar demo. I feel genuinely bad for anyone who actually bought it.
That said, I wish TPP took more cues from GZ. I much preferred having a more compact level design that's still open-ended, but with much more detail and planning per square inch. Much better than TPP's design philosophy of needing to sprint 2 km away to a random outpost just like any other.
Would've been cool if TPP's level design was basically a series of smaller more compact sandboxes in the style of camp omega.
>>317996778
Hit a nerve because of how pathetically predictable you all are?
>>317988827
>>317995982
>>317996415
I don't know what you faggots are arguing about. But here's a weekly reminder that you'll never get this hype before your mission again.
https://youtu.be/Wmws3jh2lXQ?t=142
https://youtu.be/rrlQhklDjIs
speaking of voice acting...
>>317996850
Still got 50hrs out of it and only got to about 50%... Good dollar to content ratio if you ask me
>>317996927
No, you're just annoying.
Metal Gear Solid 2: The Phantom Pain
Raiden: Snake, have you ever enjoyed killing someone?
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Raiden: Snake?
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Raiden: Is any of this even real?
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Raiden: Am I real? Is Rose real?
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Raiden: Fuck this, real or not FOXHOUND doesn't pay me enough for this shit.
>>317996314
That's not zelda cycle. That's GZ just looking better in comparison after TPP came out.
>>317996931
>tfw you'll never be told to spread your wings and fly before you halo jump into enemy territory.
Why live, anons?
>>317997097
>GZ just looking better in comparison
Source
>>317997090
>>317990102
he's just a manchild, i mean he has giant fucking robots attacking the middle east while you're teamed up with a naked girl who can't even assassinate a paralized guy whose been in a ten year coma
the worst part is EVERY SINGLE KOJIMA GAME FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS has been about NANOMACHINES, parasites are just NANOMACHINES IN THE 1980'S
>>317996931
>does this pantywaist know what he's doing?
>>317997006
The "I spent 50 hrs in it" argument is pretty fallacious. It's 50 hours because you spend the majority of that time
- waiting on a helicopter
- running miles away to the objective marker
- running back to a helicopter landing point
- waiting for the helicopter to arrive
- waiting for the helicopter to take off
- doing filler missions that are literally just the same "go to outpost X and fulton Y" mission design
- redoing those filler missions AGAIN during chapter 2
Point being MGSV was padded to hell and back and the gameplay was mechanically solid, but they never mixed it up and it became incredibly repetitive.
>>317997061
Why?
Because you can't stand someone calling you out on your bullshit?
The only reason you are praising GZ is because you didn't like TPP.
No one was praising GZ before TPP came out.
AKA Zelda cycle, nothing less, nothing more, this will happen exactly the same way with MGS5 the moment Konami shits out whatever they are making about MGS now.
>>317997097
It doesn't.
After playing TPP, there's absolutely no reason to go back to GZ.
It's a cut down TPP with 1 year less of development, and it shows.
Hell, you only have to look at how only in 100 meters guards dissappear.
It's an unfinished mess and one of the biggest scams since the conception of DLCs.
>>317997262
I'm glad they fired Kojima. If we get a new MGS gamehehI think it would work out better without him.
>MFW the upgraded UA Drone takes 12 days to make.
What's Konami's thought process? Who would pay 1200 MB coins to finish that instantly rather then buying another FOB or something for MGO?
>>317994657
>http://strawpoll.me/5880654/
Too many MGS3 babies on /v/.
>>317996931
This series will never be this good again
>>317997430
Mr. Zelda Cycle you have me confused for GZ praiser. I just told you to shut up because you're annoying and ramble a lot.
>>317997206
>asking for source for an opinion.
lel, but if you want to know why I feel that way, see
>>317996850
With GZ, they only had that one small area, so there was more effort put into it. Camp omega was more "dense" in terms of level design. Whereas TPP, due to its needlessly open world design, is much more spread out and most of the locations are much more uninspired.
>>317997604
Then ignore it.
>>317997090
Meryl: Snake, do you think I'm sexy?
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Meryl: Make love to me Snake!
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Meryl: Snake! I want you Snake!
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Meryl: Ahh, my head! It hurts! Ahhhhhhhhhh!
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Psycho Mantis: I see... You like men?
>>317996931
I thought snake's name was john? Zero keeps calling him jack in this. The boss calls him jack too doesn't she?
a diamon-d????!!
>>317997718
Get a "Zelda Cycle" trip so I can just filter you instead.
>>317997430
Note that I only think GZ is better in terms of level design. TPP locations feel more like someone went into garry's mod and just slapped down a bunch of guardpost assets.
Mechanically, TPP is better. But nobody is arguing that TPP's mechanics are bad. The issues are with level design, story, and characterization.
>>317997639
And even then, GZ felt empty as fuck.
No, the open world is a good choice, but they should have set up more things, like random convoys, random mujahideen skirmishes, civilian villages which you can defend, and in turn they'll give you resources and such, actual places like hospitals where you'll find high ranking medical staff.
>>317997756
It's a stupid English thing where Jack is a nickname for John or vice versa. Its dumb.
>>317997756
Jack is a nickname for John.
Jack Kennedy = John F Kennedy
Jack Nicholson = John Nicholson
>>317997871
>no Skulls random encounters
>no Sallypus random encounters
Thanks for forgetting the fun Kojima.
>>317997521
Man, you're so hip and cool to dislike something because it's the most popular.
>>317997804
Do I trigger you so much that you need to filter me?
Good.
>>317997898
>>317997945
They literally have the same number of letters, it makes no sense.
>>317996850
TPP's primary problem was that the sandbox was too sparse, with giant swathes of largely featureless land that serve no purpose but to separate villages/compounds from each-other, and missed opportunities to lessen the frustration of such a barren open world(like being able to travel via helicopter across a map).
The carboard box mailing system was pretty neat, and it's good that they did in fact have a system geared towards not running 5km across the map, but not being able to fly across the map via helicopter was a nonsensical passing up on an opportunity to make attacking from a helicopter a more interesting experience while making helicopters more versatile in general, along with letting players get a little more out of their chopper music, of which they mostly only got to hear the intro segment which meant most of the tracks in the game weren't appropriate as chopper tracks.
I'm not sure that I'd have liked the game to be a series of sandboxes though, I feel like that would be taking things too far in the other direction with regards to handling the space between points of activity(from too much space to none at all), though it would have likely resulted in compounds that actually had interesting layouts.
