Tell me, which one would win in combat to the death?
We've gone over this many times. Chief would win against a normal Space Marine because of his Luck but against a Primarch he's fucking dead.
I welcome the lore conversation to follow.
A better question is Samus vs a space marine
Space marine.
>>317874542
Samus wins hands down.
Metalseadramon wins hands down.
>>317874718
no, she wouldn't
Chief would likely win, but most other Spartan's would have their ass handed to them by the typical Space Marine.
Given that the image simply says "spartan" but doesn't specify the Chief, yet the illustration depicts Chief, I'm not sure if it's asking specifically about MC or any Spartan in general.
>>317874791
you must be new
>>317874935
I've been here since 207 faggot
Aren't the space Marines just enhanced soldiers? why would 1 be able to kill master chief?never played halo or anything warhammer
Chief would lose because of 343 making him incapable of taking down a spartan 4.
They turned him into a chump and will probably kill him off in Halo 6 to make room for the new nigger MC that will have his own games
>>317875023
>207
Were the Dark ages scary?
It seems most anons on /v/ has a difficulty reading because OPs image specifies it's a NORMAL HELMETED Space Marine vs a NAMELESS MK2 Spartan. Please sort out your autism before posting on this thread. Thank you.
>>317874848
>depicts Chief
Didn't Chief's age of Spartans all have the same armor?
>>317875159
Oh it was vs a spartan. Nevermind
The answer
http://dagobah.net/flash/Space_Marines_vs_Spartans.swf
>>317875176
Not much, the medieval age was worse
>>317875213
>MK2 Spartan
?????????????????????
Weird that the speesh mehrine is taller than the Spartan 2.
>>317875516
New authors are putting them around 8'2'' in armor, so about a foot on a typical spartan
>>317875483
Yes MKII spartans. What were you expecting, IV's?
>>317875608
Weird.
I wonder why they're changing it up, usually they get more HUGE the higher rank they are with chapter masters standing closer to like ten feet tall and all that shit.
>>317875647
Im retarded, the MK2 threw me off. Used to seeing it as SII
>>317875516
>>317875608
Here's the true image that depicts the Space marines size.
Made to scale.
>>317875706
Well they were originally just normal dudes in armor.
>chapter masters standing closer to like ten feet tall
Kinda wrong here. They are the same height but the terminator armor they are typically wearing adds some height and bulk to them.
>>317875778
True, the armor is usually referred with MK but I've seen people use both styles.
>>317875849
A bit too large fambam
>>317875906
Sooorta. Spartans go through a process similar to speesh mehrines minus all of the silly organs.
The process for them essentially just makes the original human form better without adding on a tonne of stuff like they do for SMs.
I dunno. Most chapter masters always seem to end up taller and beefier. Maybe I'm just thinking of primarchs.
>>317874350
For reals though Chief would get decimated. I really need to save the massive write-up I do of an Astartes abilities. All the luck in the world won't save Chief from a guy that can shrug off a tank round and keep fighting.
>>317874718
This is actually a ton closer. It largely depends more on the Marine Samus is fighting. If it's a Librarian, her shit is wrecked, and even against a regular Marine she'll probably get a few surprises when he spits acid or keeps breathing with both of his lungs destroyed.
>>317876110
I think you are thinking of Primarchs. This is the first time I've ever heard of CM's being taller and I've been a fan for years.
>>317876092
This is actually backwards.
SM used to be 7' but now they're 8'2" for some reason.
Spurtans are supposed to be around 8' as well. I don't have it, but there's a picture of a bunch of technicians servicing the suit while Master chef is in it, and he pretty much dwarfs everybody there by an absurd amount.
>>317876234
40k is kind of wonky in this respect. The power creep is ridiculous.
Besides, spitting acid isn't a very great idea when it exposes your teeny tiny head to bullets.
>>317876110
all of it its exaggeration to make prominent characters stand out in minis or artwork
>>317876110
How are the gene seed implants silly? Space Marines are suppose to be the vengeful angels of the God Emperor of man...and yes the Primarchs are huge.
>>317876373
A ton of Marines fight without helmets, especially the Space Wolves. Their modifications mean they can see, smell and hear better without their helmets than they can with them on.
>>317876373
The only spartan that is 8 foot was George, and that was because of his armor. I know what picture you are talking about though.
>Used to be
Several authors have height boners. A night lord in one book is like 9'8'' in his armor.
>>317876373
The spitting acid was meant to dissolve anything toxic or poisonous a Space Marine ingests. So in an alien world he can eat anything and not die from it. The after effect is to melt the bars oof crude Ork prisons.
Whats even the fucking reason for conflict in WH 40k
From what I know IoM could zerg its entire universe
>>317876343
Probably. I haven't read up on the hobby in ages. I still have my unpainted tau which I never got around to finishing up.
>>317876395
Makes sense.
>>317876478
Many of the implants just seem a little unnecessary, mainly the acid spitting one I suppose. I remember that there was some big list of modifications they had for them.
>>317876578
Doesn't that mean all of the IIs that wore the same model of suit are at the same height as well?
40k is full of height boners.
>>317876520
As far as I remember that's just their specific gene seed mutations. I was always a huge fan of the Iron Hands myself.
>>317876628
Is it? I thought there was another organ for that.
>>317876686
>Ancient Egyptian kill bots
>trillions of hungry lizards
>dark gods and their slaves
>having to protect 1 mil worlds
thats what
>>317876686
Also keeping a Space vagina warp tear that's gushing out legions of daemons at bay because Eldar had a massive orgy...
>>317876628
Nah dude, that's completely separate. There's two other implants that Marines have to dissipate toxins. The spitting acid is purely to fuck with people in close combat if they're not wearing their helmet. Shame that literally no Marines uses it, ever.
>>317876686
The Imperium of Man is literally one of the smallest and weakest races in the 40K universe. Chaos is bigger. Tyranids are Zerg. Necrons are near-limitless. Tau out-gun them. Orks out-punch them.
They get by on moxy and HOLD THE LINE alone.
>>317876761
> As far as I remember that's just their specific gene seed mutations. I was always a huge fan of the Iron Hands myself.
Yeah, it's specifically Space Wolves that get mad-good senses. That being said, a lot of Marines swear by the situational awareness that going helmetless gives them.
>>317876761
No because George wore heavily customized armor that Halsey comments on during the game. He was big yes, but the armor added like 8-9 inches. Most SII's were around 7'2'' in armor.
Allow me to point out the firearms that are used.
HAND TO HAND:
If Space Marine had his combat knife and Chief had an Energy Sword, Chief would win. If the Space Marine had a power gauntlet or power sword, the Space Marine would likely win.
"CONVENTIONAL" FIREARMS:
Considering an average Space Marine will be carrying a bolter, which is a 100 caliber round, that acts as a mini-grenade when it makes contact, he pretty much wins with his default weapon. The Sniper Rifle, Rocket Launcher (but not really), Fuel Rod Cannon and the Spartan Laser are pretty much the only weapons that could dent the Space Marine's armor, let alone kill him in one go. Chief is severely outclassed just by handheld twin-linked lascannons, bolters, heavy bolters, stalker bolters, which are all just as accurate but severely more lethal than the rest of the USMC's armament.
VEHICLES:
Predator > Scorpion
Thunderhawk > Pelican
Landspeeder < Warthog
That's about it
OP Primarch(Magnus) > Samus > Average Primarch(Dorn) > Master Chief >= Space Marine > SPARTAN
>>317874542
Samus would screw attack him and it'd be gg
>>317876947
Dude SM's are basically silver back gorillas in hand to hand, chief would get shit on
>>317877008
Thats if Magnus ever got off his ass.
>>317876947
Reminder that, canonically, a Vanguard Veteran armed with 'just his fists and hit wits' can fucking overrun an enemy bunker and come out victorious.
Not to mention that a Marine would have decades IF NOT CENTURIES of experience on a Spartan. Scout Sergeant Telion is reputed to have gone hand-to-hand with some of the galaxies worst monsters and found them wanting.
Also,
> Landspeeder < Warthog
> Landspeeder can mount TWO anti-tank weapons that instantly melt anything short of starship-grade armour to slag
Yeah no.
>everyone in this thread forgetting about how fast space marine's reflexes are
>they don't know that the outer armor is just for show
>>317876946
Welp. Didn't know that. I thought that the customizations were for the chest piece with the shield generator and all that.
>>317876947
If you target the weaker points in a space marine's armour you could penetrate it with things like an autogun which is essentially a conventional (If not pretty high calibre) firearm. Otherwise it's pretty hard to go through that sort of armour with just about anything.
>>317877175
Makes me wonder how Commissar Cain fucked over a khorne berzerker with a rusty chainsword lmao.
>>317877008
No such thing as an 'average primarch'.
>>317876941
Really? I thought the acidic spit was just a biproduct and the main function was to dissolve toxic chemicals and poisons incase cultists taint their food or they get stuck on an alien world...
>>317877301
Its basically just clothes to them. I remember reading that they feel naked without it on
>>317877175
You have to take into account as well, that Chief's armor is incredibly lighter compared to a Space Marine's armor. If Chief was agile enough, he would win hands down.
Although, I suppose it depends what chapter the space marine belongs to, as well. If he was a Blood Angel inflicted by the black rage, he would undoubtedly win.
>>317877275
Yeah, you're right. I was just trying to give a point to the USMC's vehicles because I felt like it was a little bit too much in favor of the Imperium's vehicles.
>>317877356
Did the Khornate dude have a name? Cain's a big guy in the universe so I doubt he'd get killed easily.
>>317877275
>Piece of shit land cruiser with a relatively short range multi-melta
Pretty sure a gauss warthog would make short work of those due to range alone.
>>317873860
Depends on their weapons loadout. If Warzone stuff is allowed, then I'll give the Spartan a solid 50/50 chance.
>>317877379
Do Space Marines ever bathe? I've always wondered this, they can't just keep wearing that armor forever...
>>317874350
>>317874791
>>317874848
doubt chief would be able to take on more than a single Ork nob or one of the Boyz, just get one that's a little bigger and he's done.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Orks
>>317877462
And Space marines have the muscles and black carapace to make their armor light on them as well.
>>317877301
>they don't know that the outer armor is just for show
That's so incorrect I don't even know what to say.
>>317877535
Yes I think they have servitors that clean and repair their amor
>>317877489
Probably not, but it's great when the writer allows a conventional man to take down the magic-enhanced super-super-human soldier with millenia of experience with a rusty weapon, named or not.
>>317874542
if we go by the more out there bits of lore on samus, she utterly wrecks almost any type of marine
>>317877535
Serfs probably wipe them down. Honestly I don't think I have ever read about this and I've gone threw quite a few 30k and 40k books
>>317877365
Nope. They've got a preliminary stomach that filters edible toxins, and a third lung to filter airborne toxins.
>>317877462
Reminder that an Astartes in full Power Armour is just as fast, if not faster, than a Spartan with an AI implant boosting his reaction times.
Marines have 40 thousand years of technology on Spartans. They won't win.
>>317877497
> Piece of shit land cruiser that can fly and travel at near-mach speeds.
You realise that Marines use it for low-orbit insertions from Thunderhawks, right? It'd be difficult as fuck just to get a bead on it, let along hit it. Meanwhile, you've got the Space Marine pilot doing evasive techniques and barrel rolls and shit.
>>317877535
They can remove their armour, yes. When out of combat, like at their battle-monestary, it's not unusual for Marines to just go about in regular tunics in their Chapter colours.
>Chief would win against a normal Space Marine because of his Luck
No he absolutely would not
>>317877767
Got an image of that? Never seen a non-armored Space Marine before.
>>317877535
Depends on the chapter honestly but armor can be removed and put back on, it just takes a while do to all the ceremony.
>>317877660
Most chapters use serfs rather than servitors.
>>317877462
Weight means jack shit, its POWERED armor. The armor not only compensates for its own weight but would over compensate so that one could move faster than if he had it off.
>>317877535
In the first Horus Heresy novel there was some poem written about how they stink, a lot. These guys will spend weeks, months and even years in armor if needed.
>>317877701
It is, but It can get silly at times. In one of the Word Bearers books a lowly unnamed Stormtrooper kills a Possessed Marine with a single shot to the head. Pretty sure he'd be A OK though
>>317877709
This is so wrong on so many levels. That kid probably failed grade 10 physics
>>317877767
I don't think a spartan with a starship-grade AI companion would have much trouble hitting a target going at mach speeds.
>>317877709
Nigger what. There's no way that's correct.
>>317877649
It is for show sempai the only thing its good for is spitting acid saliva and other modifications, they are not defensively exceptional. A space marine without his armor is still just as viable in combat as one is with it on
>>317874542
I remember tg estimated Samus be around the level of a Primarch.
>>317877891
I don't think there's official artwork, but in the first few Horus Heresy books, it describes a journalist-style girl getting a ladyboner over a Marine who's wearing like a tunic while polishing his armour, which is hanging up on a rack.
>>317877997
While also getting shot back at with:
a) antitank weapons
b) heavy flamers
c) rotary cannons
Righto.
Keep in mind that the Land Speeder also has a machine spirit, which is basically a super-dumb AI
>>317876947
If chief had dual katana energy swords, was wearing a key chain he got from a midnight release of halo3, and had taken every preformance enhancing drug known in his respective universe and the SM had a combat knife it would still be a safe bet to say the SM would make chief his bitch
>>317877891
Not him
>>317878093
Got a single source to back that up? They never go to war without it. That shit is thick ceramite
>>317877997
7.62x51mm is going to do nothing to a Space Marine. For reference, lasguns are comparable to .50 cal rifles and barely scratch the paint.
>>317876941
>IoM
>smallest and weakest
Yet the most powerful as well
>>317878226
That seems a bit sacreligous with those undergarments...
What if Chieft got turned into an Space Marine and became the leader of one of its divisions
How would his armor look like?
Why hasnt anyone drawn it yet?
>>317877356
They're a pretty clear difference between Magnus who could snap Titans with his mind and Dorn who got zerg rushed and beaten, presumed killed by fodder.
All I'm saying is that there are Primarchs like Horus, Magnus, or Russ, who in a straight up fight are a force of nature. Then there are Primarchs like Lorgar and Alpharius, who are demonstrably weaker than their peers and aren't that good in a 1v1 fight.
Unfair comparison, one is orders of magnitude above the other.
A more accurate one would be something like halo vs vanquish or space marine vs samus.
>>317878093
>Space Marine Power Armour is an extraordinarily sophisticated defensive system which combines huge resistance to physical damage with a sensory array and sealed environment which protects its wearer from the ravages of the void and alien atmospheres. Integrated with the armour are networks of electro-motivated fibre bundles which mimic and augment the muscular strength of the wearer. The true genius of the design, however, lies in its close integration with the already superhuman physiology, senses and reflexes of the Space Marine within. Working in concert, armour and Astartes together become a weapon without equal.
Pulled straight from the 40k wiki.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Power_Armour#Space_Marine_Power_Armour
>>317878357
That can't happen, he's way too old. Raptors Chapter would best match his armor and tactics
>>317877984
Those guys are more points than space marines on the tabletop.
Totally not lowly.
>>317878179
All of which are probably horribly out-ranged by the gauss rifle. I think only the assault cannon would be of a comparable range to the gauss cannon.
Machine spirit is just a retard brain with wires hooked up to it. All it can do it fire the guns with idiot aim and move around at plodding speeds.
>>317878281
A heavy stubber is comparable to a fifty cal actually - those are the guns usually slapped onto Imperial Guard tanks.
Hence why I said the weaker parts of the armour, like joints and stuff.
>>317878384
Alright, I see your point anon.
>>317878403
Yeah, this is on par with Spartan armour which I think is hooked directly to the spartan's nervous system (This is boosted with an AI in the works).
For the marines, this is managed by their black carapace which allows a direct connection to the suit.
>>317878179
A relationship with a Space Marine would be awkward as fuck...onw kiss could melt her face off.
How inconsistent 40K lore is muddles everything up
There are accounts of marines getting wasted by what may as well be farmers with cap guns
There are also accounts of marines just as qualified toeing it with daemons and winning
>>317878226
They can throw a car and Sprint to speeds of 60kmph and take small bullets to their skin without any armor the armor just improves on this maybe take a krak missle
>>317878574
Same as a spartan?
Also a krak missile will open a space marine like a soup can.
>>317877891
>Nameless space marine vs nameless spartan
Space Marine wins, no question. The Spartan literally has 0% chance of winning.
>Nameless space marine vs Master Chief
Space marine wins, but hear me out. Although the Chief has a lot of plot armor and "luck" (according to both the games and the books) the weapons, equipment, and genetic enhancement of the average space marine is far and above anything that the Master Chief can provide.
Maybe through some outside help (like blasting the marine with a MAC cannon from orbit) Chief might be able to win, but 1 on 1 with conventional weapons, he stands no chance.
>>317874791
Can you explain how not? Plasma in the W40K universe is already able to cut through the marines power armor, and I'd imagine Samus's plasma beam is even stronger than that. Also add in charging too that and missile combos, and it would probably melt through after a few moments of fire.
Not only that, Samus is practically infinitely more mobile (space jump, speed booster), has power bombs (which could maybe get through their armor, tough to say), and screw attack (which is even tougher to gauge how effective this would be). In the worst case, Samus could probably safely retreat.
>>317878574
Proofs))))))))))))))
>>317878745
Since when the fuck do Spartans have the strength to lift a car?
>>317878281
> lasguns are comparable to .50cal rifles
O i am laffin
They're really not. They're called 'flashlights' by the people that USE them for a reason. One, two or even ten doesn't do dick shit, even to a pissant Eldar. When there's several billion of them, though...
>>317878325
> most powerful
> Tyranids are from outside the Milky Way. Have already devoured at least one universe. Imperium is shitting itself.
> Necrons are on a fuckton on planets. Nobody knows they're on a tomb world until its too late. Imperium is shitting itself
> Orks are near-limitless and reproduce using spores. Only way to stop it is burn the fucking planet. The more they fight, the more they love it. Imperium is shitting itself.
> Chaos can just fucking pop in whenever it wants, and requires Psykers to close the warp portal. Daemon Primarchs are still a serious threat. Imperium is shitting itself.
The races they're not overly fussed about are the Tau, because they're stupid blue Commies, and Eldar, because they're getting killed faster than they're reproducing.
I'm a Marine player on the tabletop, but I'm not disillusioned enough to think that in an all-out brawl the Imperium would come out on top. They wouldn't.
>>317878491
> plodding speeds
> mach 1
ok m8.
>>317878561
It's more just they don't understand feelings beyond KILL THE HERETIC, BURN THE UNCLEAN.
>>317878574
Reminder that a Krak missile will wreck Power Armour. Terminator armour and Centurion Warsuits are where it's fucking at, son.
space marines are literally spartans but the writers go 'lets not even try to be reasonable with then, give them flak cannon pistols and bulletproof skin why not'
>>317878561
A space marine having a relationship is considered to be heretical by design. During their creation, Space Marines are not only conditioned to not have emotional attachments towards others, but are genetically created to have their sexual drives... turned off, for a lack of a better term.
>>317878574
Im certain a space marine could take a krak missle and keep fighting, the more elite chapters marine's can have their whole stomach blown out and keep fighting
>>317878814
see >>317877856
Marines are way above Spartans in every way.
>>317878870
Chief flips a Warthog both in game and in-book.
Flipping a Scorpion is probably a bit far-fetched.
>>317878871
Usually the machine spirit cannot control vehicles very efficiently.
On the tabletop, the land raider can only move at a fraction of its normal speed as far as I remember.
Not sure how this would reflect on a landspeeder.
>>317878952
Mate, tabletop rules state a Krak missile breaks Power Armour. S8/AP3 versus the Marine's Toughness 4 and Sv3+ means that a) the Marine's armour would NOT stop the missile, and b) if the Marine was a hero like a Chapter Master with multiple wounds, he would still be killed via Instant Death because of the immense damage.
>>317879057
Power of the Machine Spirit on the tabletop is unrelated to speed. It allows the Land Raider to fire one extra weapon than it normally would be allowed to do.
>>317878871
>>317878906
Could a Space Marine get away with a relationship in secrecy? I mean no one would know so it's not Heresy...
>>317878047
I have no idea about the calculation, but the mass and radius of Zebes check out
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Zebes
>>317873860
>me, which one would win in combat to the death?
the real question is...who cares?
>>317879131
They must've changed it then.
I played years ago, and I remember PoTMS allowing the land raider to fire at least one weapon at BS 2 even if stunned/shaken in addition to allowing the tank to move a little bit.
Maybe it has been way too long since I've played. Fuck.
>>317878871
>They're really not. They're called 'flashlights' by the people that USE them for a reason. One, two or even ten doesn't do dick shit, even to a pissant Eldar. When there's several billion of them, though...
I'm pretty sure a single "flashlight" could penetrate up to 6 inches of solid concrete and kill the unarmored human on the other side. They're flashlights cause everything around them is bullshit.
>>317878871
>They're really not. They're called 'flashlights' by the people that USE them for a reason.
There are dozens of instances of people's arms being blown off by a stray las shot in the books.
They're called flashlights because compared to other weapons in the setting they are fucking shit.
>>317878974
Flipping and lifting are two different things anon...unless a Spartan can physically lift a car and throw it at his enemiea...then that ain't lifting.
Who would win? Harry Potter, or a normal average Space Marine?
>>317875238
It's similar but there are slight tweeks based on individual capibilities IIRC.
>>317879131
>taking tabletop as canon
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHh
>>317879182
wow man you sure showed this entire thread of people that obviously care
>>317878889
You don't know shit about Space Marines then.
It is the year, 40,000. Space Marines are heavily genetically enhanced humans with armaments that make sense for their given year.
>wow a space marine outclasses a spartan, they didn't even try to make them modest
No shit.
>>317879145
I'm gonna chalk that up to sci-fi writers not knowing what actual science is. Because holy fuck there's no way that's right unless Samus is secretly a goddamned Kryptonian.
>>317879338
depends who the book is about
>>317879297
There is an instance where a spartan uses a mongoose (ATV) as a makeshift hammer to plow and crush some baddies.
>>317879346
The fluff is too inconsistent.
>>317878889
>Not realizing Space Marines came first before Halo Spartans
How fucking autistic can you get?
>>317879416
there's other crazy stuff in there like the description of the volt driver
besides, its not like its any different from most of the quotes on space marine abilities (and Samus stuff is from actual in game descriptions)
even with the more "reasonable" stuff, Samus still does things like wade through lava likes it nothing
>>317879338
Gonna go Space Marine. Even J.K. Rowling says that wizards will lose to a redneck with a shotgun more often than not because bullets are faster than spells and pulling a trigger is faster than an incantation.
>>317879338
Considering Space Marines will fight all manner of psykers that include (but are not limited to) Chaos Sorcerers, any Eldar and some of the elite Tau units...
I mean, is this a serious question? Space Marines win, hands down.
>>317879142
I mean, it's really hard to sneak away from your battle brothers at any given time, so probably not possible, no.
>>317879142
It's not 'could they', it's that 'they wouldn't'. They literally have no interest in inter-personal relations that aren't their battle-brothers.
>>317879235
Dunno what edition you played, but now it's like, if it moved at Combat Speed (one weapon at full BS, rest at BS1), it can fire two at full BS. If it moved at Cruising Speed (one weapon at BS1), it can fire one weapon at full BS.
>>317879270
Specs on Lasgun please. A hotshot lasgun, yes, could penetrate Power Armour - it's AP3 - but that's because the focusing lens has a ton more work on it and the battery pack is dangerously overcharged.
>>317879346
> reminder that crunch and codex fluff overules Black Library fluff
Who would win? Oniisama or average Space Marine?
Just bought this off steam.
First time playing anything related to warhammer.
What am I in for?
>>317879582
I dunno, man. That's comic level stupid bullshit. If Samus could survive that gravity she could throw people into the fucking sun. This shit's blowing my mind, son.
Still, barring that, yeah, I'm betting on Sammy. Let's talk about her normal gun shooting through walls and other solid matter.
>>317879610
>Even J.K. Rowling says that wizards will lose to a redneck with a shotgun more often than not because bullets are faster than spells and pulling a trigger is faster than an incantation.
Then why didn't they kill voldemort with a gun ?
Why don't wizard just pop shotguns out of nowhere ?
>>317879789
spess mehreens
>>317879447
Mongoose's only weigh 900 pounds.
Pretty weaksauce compared to the strength feats in >>317877856
>>317879686
>Psykers
>Tau
>>317879789
You're in for becoming a WH40K fan
All the space marine has to do is spit.
>>317879780
Space marine would,chuckle and walk upto the faggot as he empties his bullets into the Marine. Then the Marine grabs him by the head and crushes it slowly.
>>317879789
Don't forget to play dark crusade after that
and soulstorm
and maybe space marine
>>317878871
It's been flat out stated that if the Imperium were able to muster its full force on any one front, nothing could stand against them, the issue is that they're spread so thinly defending millions of worlds while everyone else is focused on killing them, and even then, a fleet is overwhelming force compared to most of everything else.
Lasguns are powerful as hell, too, it's just that pretty much everything else in the setting is somehow more powerful than them. Elder are incredibly advanced, in armor, weaponry and pretty much everything else apart from artificial insemination, so it's not surprising that a lasgun isn't super useful against them. Even then, it is lethal if they get hit by a full on blast from one, according to most lore sources.
>>317879854
Because he's bullshiting, there is probobally some bullshit protection charm from bullets.
>>317879789
You should also check out Space Hulk and Space Marine if you want some action.
>>317879714
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Lasgun
Here's information on Lasguns, a piece of it reads:
>It is a relatively unimpressive weapon when compared to many of the other high-technology weapons available in the galaxy, but it is capable of cleanly severing limbs and potentially even piercing the Power Armour of a Space Marine (but usually only through a vulnerable spot in the armour).
>>317879937
Pardon me, I thought that Ethereals were considered Psykers, doing a little bit of research, I guess they're just straight up mages. My point still stands though.
Taken straight from a unit list in Dawn of War
>Ethereal - Tau mage, strong special abilities, can summon Tau Body Guards.
>>317879416
I'd just say it's fluff writers not knowing their elementary physics when they described Zebes. If that much acceleration due to gravity was being pushed down on Zebes, the human body wouldn't be able to stand even if all of Samus's bones were solid titanium, unless she and everything else in metroid are like 15cm tall.
>>317878115
This.
You have to remember that she's wearing a battlesuit made by a people who mastered science so hard they went back into philosophy til they died out. 40k equivalent would be necron or eldar tech.
>>317879854
Because the point of magic in Hogwarts was not to cause harm with magic but harness it's abilities outside of destructive properties.
>>317879789
You're in for a good RTS.
Get Dark Crusade or Soulstorm and the Firestorm Over Kurava mod.
>>317880063
> nothing could stand against them
> there's an entire galaxy (maybe more than one) of Tyranids slowly working their way to the Milky Way
Even if the Imperium killed ten thousand Tyranids for every human dropped, they'd be overrun.
>>317880151
My mistake then. I think they're like AP5 or 6 in the tabletop, which on second thoughts isn't too bad. It means it can penetrate normal Guardsman flak armour. I retract what I said about lasguns.
>>317880151
But Tau magic relates to their Greater Good communist bullshit, nothing to the Warp at all. In fact if Tau believe in the the Greater Good they are immune to Daemonic influence. (Hence only one Tau got possessed because he doubted the Greater Good)
This all depends on one simple question:
Can Tau beat Space Marines?
Because Prometheans are far more advanced than Tau and MC fought against several without problem.
Also, in the books Spartans act more like ninjas, hiding in the shadows ambushing their targets.
>>317880339
>til they died out
or transcended. its here or there
>>317878115
>I remember tg estimated Samus be around the level of a Primarch.
What? There is no chance in fuck Metroid is more over the top than fucking 40k.
>>317880584
>In the books
Yeah in the books SM's are even more stupidly overpowered
>>317877856
If luck is a tangible virtue in this fight, I am afraid to inform you of the sheer power of what faith in the Emperor can do. In the 40K universe it can literally translate into miracles.
And an Astartes faith in the Emperor is nigh unshakable.
This is on top of the fact that the Marine has served in war longer than Chief has been alive. And that is before he even became full Astartes, and was just part of the Scout company.
Astartes are supposed to be super OP, because they live in a universe where everything is.
I like Chief, but there is next to no way he can win this fight.
>>317879789
Arguably the best sci-fi franchise out there. Despite GW selling the Warhammer license to any toothless hobo they happen to come across in the street, there's plenty of great stuff if you look around. It is a really interesting universe, sometimes rather over the top, but that's part of the charm.
>>317880473
If the Tyranids fully invaded the Milky Way then the Chaos gods would have to step in because they can't let their worshippers and potential worshippers be eaten by lizards from another universe. I'm sure Tzeentch has a plan that involves waking up lots of Necron tomb world's or legions and legions of Daemonic forces.
>>317880657
Oh, are we doing this again?
Last time everyone got muddled up around the Darkburst, what should we be arguing about this time?
>>317880584
There is no way that Tau could beat the Space Marines. The Tau have an impressive amount of technology capabilities for how long they've been around, but the Imperium of man would win due to sheer numbers.
>>317880473
Ah, okay. Sorry, I don't know anything about Tabletop, I just play a lot of the games play GURPs 40k with my friends, and I've read a couple of books. You weren't entirely wrong though, Lasguns are pieces of shit compared to almost everything else. But it is an easily handled weapon (due to no recoil from laser) and extremely cheap to produce and give to imperial guardsmen.
>>317880523
You're definitely right. I would still say it's more powerful than any magic that wizards in Harry Potter can produce.
>>317880584
> Also, in the books Spartans act more like ninjas, hiding in the shadows ambushing their targets.
Raven Guard are the stealth experts, able to move in like two ton armour without a fucking sound. Raven Guard can out-stealth a Spartan, easily.
>>317880761
Reminder that in one of the first Horus Heresy books, the First Saint banished a literal daemon by holding onto the Imperial Aquila and reciting how fucking great the Emperor was at it. I get fucking chills every time I read that part.
>>317880473
We have no idea how many tyranids there are, Leviathan could be the last fleet coming for all we know.
Plus, human archeotech, which they still have access to, is so far beyond the tech levels of anything else in the setting bar Necrons that it's just insane. They could also just rely on suicide mission type attacks with religious zealots, detonating warp drives in the middle of Tyranid fleets, though obviously that's not a tactic they want to use when they have no idea when else they may need that ship.
Archeotech is just insane stuff though, there's really no limit to how far it goes. Just one example is the Men of Iron, which were pretty much just Necrons except without having to sacrifice people to create new ones, they were fully autonomous and sentient.
>>317880895
Couldn't nids absorb the biomass of incredibly warp sensitive species and then start drawing power from the Chaos gods?
>>317877987
>>317878047
The math is (sorta) correct. Going off the wiki, his radius is wrong, but the force of gravity is still absurd (2338 m/s2).
Zebes is like 3 orders of magnitude heavier than earth. Zebes is also ~2 times as big as earth. This means that zebes is ~2 orders of magnitude denser than earth, so it makes sense.
Just as a comparison, g on the sun is about 274 m/s2, and the sun is like ~30% as dense as earth.
>>317881072
No. Chaos are entirely uninterested in the Tyranids, solely because they don't produce the blood that Chaos seeks, if I remember correctly.
>>317880950
Even considering that it can tear limbs, it's real strength is its weight of numbers and ability to keep working after a ton of damage. And its ammo pack can be recharged by tossing it in a fucking fire.
>>317881027
> reminder that a C'tan god is inside Mars
> reminder that, should it wake up, all human machine spirits will either a) cease to function, or b) turn upon the users
> reminder that the upper echelons of the Mechanicus are terrified as fuck about any Necron getting close to Mars in case exactly that happens.
>>317881072
But daemon bodies deteriorate back into the warp? Nids can't really do anything with it.
>>317878870
what game is this from?
>>317880584
What Tau? Like a regular rank and file Firewarrior? A Shas'O in a Crisis Suit? A Manta?
Plus as advanced as they are, I somewhat doubt they are Necrontyr levels of advanced. Though possibly close.
Marines can handle a ton of things that should out class them. They still win through a combination of experience and sheer willpower and faith.
Unless your Spartan is Genestealer levels of stealthy (Or old Kroot fluff levels which was even crazier), he won't just get to ambush an Astartes.
>>317881072
No. The nids draw power from the Hive Mind, which is also incredibly powerful and can disrupt demonic incursions with its presence, but it's not anything compared to the Chaos Gods or the Emperor, it's a different type of being completely. Plus, the gods have to actually grant them power, they can't just take it, if they tried to take from the gods when they didn't want it, they'd just all turn into spawn that served Chaos.
>>317881072
They already absorb biomass from warp sensitive species so no. If they were to create organisms made to absorb warp energy then they risk corruption of those species into daemons, something that neither party enjoys. Nids gain no biomass from daemons and the gods hate the nids for their stupid bugginess.
>>317881174
>Reminder a god damn massive fleet is Petrolling the Solar system every hour on the hour.
Nothing will touch it for a long time.
>>317881156
>Produce the blood
What now? I thought Chaos Gods feed off the powerful emotions of living things.
Like every time you jerk off you're feeding Slaanesh.
To nids just not feel anything?
>>317880256
Also when Samus arrived on Zebes she was still human. So you can't blame Chozo DNA.
>>317881335
Yes so in theory the only hope for the Milky Way Galaxy incase of complete Tyranid invasion is ironically the Chaos gods and the Daemonic forces.
>>317880960
To be fair it wasn't really her faith that banished the daemon. It is that the Emperor is the actual antithesis of daemons and the warp. Where they are pure chaos, he represents pure order, and just the concept of that hurts them.
That being said that was a great scene. I loved the first 3 HH novels. And Flight of the Eisenstein. It got a bit hit and miss from there though.
I loved Nemesis just for the fact we not only got the 4 known assassin shrines in there, but also some extras.
>>317881251
Looks like Space Marine, though with a Blood Ravens reskin.
>>317881126
>>317881451
so if we say that samus (in zero suit) weighs about as much as an average adult woman ( going from a wiki page, the average american female has mass 74kg, feel free to pick any other country), that means that samus weighs (74kg*2338m/s^2)=173000 Newtons, or about 39000 american pounds on Zebes
>>317881435
They don't. Nids are all primitive, the only cognitive functions they have is eating, breathing waliking etc...no mental thought. The Hivemind controls everything.
>>317879981
Clearly you have no idea who this character. It's not even close. That gun doesn't shoot bullets. He could make the space marine evaporate from kilometers away without ever even entering his line of sight. And that's just the tip of the bullshit iceberg.
I love how no one is even discussing Spartan vs. Space Marine anymore, it just turned into a 40k thread. No arguments about that from this guy.
>>317881435
The only sources that I can find (unfortunately) are forum posts that say that Chaos isn't interested in Tyranids because Tyranids live for the hive mind, and without the hive mind, they would die. Taking that into consideration, since they only live for the hivemind, the Chaos gods wouldn't be interested in trying to corrupt a Nid, because it would be fruitless. The Tyranid would more than likely just stop functioning.
>>317881345
> nothing will touch it for a long time
> Chaos can literally warp anywhere
> Eldar and Dark Eldar can Webway almost anywhere
> Necrons can teleport without using the Warp
It's not that they CAN'T get there - they could most likely warp onto the planet itself. It's just that they'd get mauled within several seconds.
>>317881156
>>317881435
Reminder that Khorne doesn't give a shit WHERE the blood comes from, whether it's human, alien, loyalist or renegade, as long as it flows.
>>317881652
Does the Hivemind feel?
>>317881072
Look up "The Fall of Shadowbrink" in the 6th edition Tyranid codex. Basically, Tyranids have no interest in Daemons because they can't absorb any biomass from them. Chaos have no interest in Tyranids because they no souls to corrupt or feed upon and such. That said, the Chaos Gods will surely have to step in to keep the Nids from devouring the galaxy.
>>317881548
Not at all. Crons are the hope for the galaxy if bugs come full force. Khorne hates the bug's ichor, Nurgle can't infect them properly and there is no decay since they eat each other, Tzeentch has no grand schemes to disrupt or fuck people with and there is no real sensation of pleasure (and likely pain) for Slaanesh to feed on. The gods lose when they fight nids, its just that nids hate fighting them just as much.
>>317881451
I may be remembering incorrectly, but wasn't she in a tank the whole time?
And she was injected with Chozo DNA because she wouldn't have been able to survive on Zebes without it?
>>317881773
Sorry, my explanation of Chaos Gods' uninterest in nids wasn't really up to par there, refer to my other post >>317881706 for an actual thought out theory.
>>317881345
1/4th of the Imperial fleet is dedicated to protecting Terra and Mars (with the moon being a gigantic orbital station) at all times but what >>317881773
said was correct.
>>317874542Samus. That's the only name you'll hear. Samus. It means the end and the death. Samus. I am Samus. Samus is all around you. Samus is the man beside you. Samus will gnaw on your bones. Look out! Samus is here!
>>317881548
Or everyone could go Necron.
>>317881843
Yeah but the Chaos gods just can't sit and watch their potential worshippers get eaten and turned into more bugs...surly legions and legions of Daemonic forces could push back the bugs no?
>>317881174
>reminder that we have little to no fucking idea what the void dragon actually does
>reminder that the Emperor kicked its ass just to impress the crazies who lived on mars
>reminder that the upper echelons of the Mechanicus have no idea how the machines work, hence why they pray to tanks in the hopes that they won't turn on them and kill them
The Mechanicus is fucking retarded, on all levels, they refuse to innovate in fear of creating shit that almost wiped out humanity again. Doing literally any science is known as heresy to them.
Also, Necrons have been to Mars at one point, a bunch of ships rocked up and were promptly destroyed by the insane amounts of defences around it, before the fleet even got a chance to respond.
The Imperial Fleet is fucking huge around the Solar System, the Imperial fists alone pretty much just keep their flag ship (which is likely single handedly the most powerful ship in the Imperium, outside archeotech stuff) just chilling there. And that the emperor is shown in several lore sources as still having enough power to essentially make the solar system into his own domain, he stops time completely in it in one book, to talk to an inquisitor.
>>317881773
There is no fucking way Chaos is getting anywhere near the solar system, it's proven that faith alone is enough to repel them if it's strong enough, and Terra is the center of the entire Imperial cult. Elder can only webway where there's a gate, too, and there isn't one in the solar system.
Khorne might not care where the blood flows from, but it doesn't actually benefit him at all for the Tyranids to kill everything bar possibly Orks in the whole galaxy and there be no-one left to worship him. Ignoring Nurgle, Tzeentch and Slaanesh, who would lose all of their power as a result.
>>317878745
>same as a Spartan
In The Fall of Reach, a single HE missile is shot at Chief while he's in his armor. He has to tilt it up with his palm in midflight to survive, but it still renders him barely conscious and bleeding profusely.
>>317882186
Not as likely as you think.
Remember that when Tyranids defeat any of their foes, they eat them, absorb their biomatter and mutate accordingly. So if hordes of daemons started fighting Tyranids, all you would have is bugs that are extremely resistant to Daemons' abilities.
>>317881848
You may be, if you are going off a different source material. Going off the manga (which is probably the closest we have to canon), she was brought to Zebes by the Chozo, and soon there after given bird DNA. She was infused with Chozo DNA to survive on Zebes, but it was more to help cope with the hostile wildlife and atmosphere. She definitely set foot on the planet human.
>>317882392
Daemons aren't made of matter.
>>317881627
>Looks like Space Marine, though with a Blood Ravens reskin.
Is Space Marine any good?
>>317881627
>>317881251
Looks like a reskin of that gif of TF2's Heavy laughing.
>>317881828
Unknown. But it does have agents that possess something at least akin to emotion. Or at least understand it enough to exploit it.
Whilst not core GW it was approved by them for the FFG RPG Deathwatch game. Look up the Dagon Overlord.
Imagine a Hive Tyrant, that is immortal in the sense it keeps getting rebirthed when it dies, heralds its arrival in system by making psykers on planet kill themselves and make a pyre in its honor so others know it is coming, actively creates new and deadly nid strains, and is apparently actively hunting down the Deathwatch.
All the Deathwatch can do is keep killing it to try and keep it in respawn.
>>317881834
I always loved Nids facing Chaos. The idea of them finally finishing them all off, getting all excited to sit down for some tasty biomass, then it just dissapears, and they would be all like "WTF I was hungry. Pretty sick of this shit.".
>>317882504
But heavily corrupted Chaos Space Marines are, that's my point.
>>317882490
>The manga is closest thing we have to a canon
pls don't.
>>317882392
But Daemons evaporate back into the warp once killed? There is no matter for Nids to eat. Hence the reason the Hivemind hates Daemons.
>>317882316
> tfw, like the Nazis, the Dark Mechanicus did more for human technology than the loyalist Mechanicus ever did, since the Dark Mechanicus continually innovates and says "Yes, this bolter works fine, but WHAT IF we put the soul of a serial killer in it, and make it fire penises?"
That's when the Daemonettes appear and act all interested.
I also find it hilarious how Orks find getting taking into the Warp just one great big adventure, because everything there just wants to fight them.
>>317882186
Seeing as Daemonic legions are literally infinite, and can't be stopped except by closing the portals (which the shadow could do for minor ones, sure), and that all of their worshippers would focus on making fuck off huge portals that leave entire planets half in the warp, if not just opening the Eye of Terror to be that little big big enough for the gods themselves to just waltz on through.
>>317882392
Nids that eat Daemons just mutate uncontrollably and die, if they don't just turn into Daemons themselves.
It was in one of the Tyranids Codexes, I think it was 6th edition, they said that Nids don't consume daemons because they get no biomass from it, and usually just die as a result.
>>317882627
>>317882684
Please refer to >>317882615
>>317882529
do you like gears of war? If you thought gears of war was okay or had a more positive opinion of it, you will probably like Space Marine. If thought Gears of War was shit (from a gameplay standpoint), you will not like Space Marine.
>>317882615
That doesn't make sense, the mutations of a Chaos marine wouldn't be genetic.
>>317882186
They can and will. Zoanthropes have blasted apart Great Unclean Ones. There are no possible rituals that can be preformed using nids directly to summon more daemons and hive fleets avoid warp storms like a plague. Fighting the nids would generally be a waste of time to chaos. They have nothing to directly gain from their defeat and khorne is just fine with the slaughter of people.
Besides that, the whole "Shadow in the Warp" fucks up all sorts of summoning and psychic abilities.
>>317882615
But the Chaos gods call the shots...so all they'll have to do is tell the Chaos guardsmen and marines to stay the fuck away and let the Daemons do all the fighting I can see the full Nid force being vanquished. And since the powers of Chaos fought back the destruction that'd equal a lot of new worshippers...
>>317882490
>to help cope with the... ...atmosphere.
That's definitely what I was thinking of.
>>317882621
It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have for Samus' early life.
>>317882779
I'm just going off of what I know of Tyranids, sorry, I haven't read too much about them, honestly.
>>317881629
Samus' weight and height in and out of suit
>>317882767
I did like Gears of War. I'll try Space Marine. Thanks.
>>317882828
The manga only damages the canon, it never stated anything that wasn't stated in booklets and stuff by the time Super Came out. It only made things worse.
>>317882529
Arguably, not really. I understand what they were going for, but it just doesn't really pan out into being that interesting.
On top of the fact that despite it being a niche IP they still tried to appeal to the widest audience, and as such they don't go into as much detail of the universe as they should.
Hell the actual antagonist isn't even named.
That being said they did get the feel of the weapons right (even if there is debate about the Melta being like a shotgun), jumping around with a Jumpack hitting things with a Thunderhammer is hella fun, and Titus was a great protag.
The biggest pity is that it didn't get a sequel, but I can't really go into that as to why without spoiling the ending.
I'd say if you can get it for like $10 it is probably worth it.
>>317882820
just to play daemons' advocate, the factions of the chaos gods and even the chaos space marines are constantly fucking with each other. I could see the Alpha Legion tricking a bunch of World Eaters into fighting a Tyrranid incursion. I'm not sure World Eaters can be told no from anyone who isn't Khorne, and I'm not sure Khorne would give a fuck. This is all just fluff theory-crafting anyway.
>>317882779
If a Tyranid ate a mutated Marine, either a) the mutation would also be broken down into regular old biomass, since it stopped being non-matter once it became part of the Marine's physiology, or b) the Tyranid would gain similar mutations or begin mutating as well.
Think the Predator-Alien Hybrid
>>317882615
Yeah, they're made of corrupted matter, which kills nids that eat it, and isn't something you can really copy, because it's granted by magic and wouldn't work without it. Plus, you're getting how Chaos works wrong. Their abilities aren't built into the daemons, they're literally fucking magic that you can't biologically adapt to resist, resistance comes from either being a null, something which only humans have (Tau are close, but are still effected by it), or being a psyker yourself, which is too difficult to create for the fleets to give it to anything but specialised organisms.
>>317882682
Anything Orks and Chaos is great, they always end up being some of the best stories in the codexes, like the one where the ork warboss went back in time with a fucking huge Waagh accidentally, then killed himself in the past to get a copy of his favourite gun, which resulted in the entire Waagh disbanding because it was just too weird.
Post Crysis 3 Prophet.
>>317883097
pretty sure the mutations are warp based physical-law breaking tier anomalies that can't be absorbed and copied by a nid since they aren't really "there".
>>317882959
weight is mass times acceleration of gravity. Where was that weight taken? If that weight was taken on Zebes with it's afforementioned 2000+m/s^2 acceleration due to gravity, that would mean she has a mass of far less than a single kilogram.
Again, I think we're just looking into this far more than the creators of Metroid fluff; I'm just arguing it because I got excited I got to use my elementary physics for something. I understnad it's videogames and in actuality, she has whatever characteristics the creators say she has.
>>317882767
You forgot to mention the lack of cover mechanic.
I loved what they were going for, but Marines aren't that kind of retard, and it hurt the game in the end.
Though arguably worth it just for this pic.
>>317883097
Nids that eat corrupted matter get corrupted themselves, like anything else in the setting does. Even if they could break it down, there's nothing special about the matter itself, it's just flesh, but it's a gift from the dark gods, so its power comes from them. You kill the bearer of the gift, and the gods kind of stop giving it power, so it's just a weird claw, or a horn, or whatever.
>>317883097
Chaos corruption is warp magic on a genetic level.
It corrupts it so bad that the Nids can't ingest it.
It is basically spoiled food and would just make them sick.
>>317883384
I agree that marines, especially a Captain, wouldn't be so dumb to just charge at dudes and not use cover, it really felt like I was a fucking space marine when all the guardsmen were hiding behind their emplacements behind me while I charged the line of boys with muh hammer. Even if i was getting shot to pieces, i tried it at least once in every engagement before I started to hang back and pick boyz off with mah bolter.
>>317883261
Chaos mutations being Nid in/compatible is a nebulous, gray area in the lore because Tyranid genetic appropration is already a nebulous, gray area.
Just take a look at the Zoanthrope - it's supposed to be the result of Tyranids getting their hands (claws?) on Eldar DNA. So does that imply that the reason Eldar are so strong in psyker stuff is purely physical (because it's in their DNA), and has nothing to do with souls and other non-physical, 'mystical' bullshit? And to compound this confusion, Zoanthropes don't even channel warp energy - they use their own psychic strength derived from the hive mind.
Is this still canon? Who cares! Space magic and alien dinosaurs!
>>317879338
Spells can be blocked by hard surfaces and only the impact remains. The Flipendo Knockback Jinx is only powerful enough to knock over an empty suit of armor, and it is solely meant to produce kinetic force.
>>317883954
That's it. Tyranids are a race of SJW and they can't stomach Possessed marines because it would be genetic (cultural) appropriation.
>>317879789
Also asking this.
I just bought the Collection that comes with Dark Crusade and everything else.
>>317884180
If you like RTSes, you're in for a good time.
Get the Firestorm Over Kaurava mod
>>317883951
Of all the Chapters, Ultramarines would be using cover because it would be outlined in the Codex.
If it was say the Black Templars, or maybe even the Space Wolves, I could understand. But not the Ultramarines, even with Titus being one of the non-Codex thinkers.
That being said stupid charging into your enemy from your entirely defensible position is a Marine tradition.
They are shock troops and supposed to engage close up like that to use their physical advantage. Unfortunately writers always seem to translate that as 'Dur they don't use or need cover'.
If that were true there wouldn't be the Stalker pattern Bolter for sniping.
And damn was I happy they put that in the game. Felt good to use one in a vidya after using it for ages in the Deathwatch PnP RPG.
>>317883954
If the Old Ones created the Eldar to be powerful psykers there is a clear correlation between soul strength and the physical.
The biological factor of course, is probobally unknown to the sentient species in the universe, but that doesn't stop the nids from getting their hands on it.
Chaos mutations on the other hand, are having a law breaking entity stick it's metaphysical finger inside you to induce what appear to be biological mutations but are instead a law breaking anomaly.
Your hand became a crab claw because something is breaking physical laws to do that, a spectral out-of-reality anomaly is warping the matter around your hand to become that claw. Your DNA isn't changing, your cells aren't reforming through any biological means of becoming that claw.
It's simply magically becoming a claw.
This is why nids can't do anything with it.
It's like the nids trying to absorb Doctor Manhattan or Lord Nebula from Captain Simian and the Space Monkey's.
Both are still biological, but they're heavily modified by law breaking anomalies that surround them, of which the nids could not replicate.
>he doesn't main Dark Angels
Is DoW the main 40k game?
>>317884095
Well now I know what to do next time I GM a game of Deathwatch and it doesn't need to be serious.
Thanks anon. You slams may just be rad enough to outjam the emperor's finest.
>>317877649
I think he meant that the black carapace allows most space marines to move as if not wearing armor, if not then the dude is retarded.
>>317885193
> he doesn't main the most heretical Chapter/Legion combo in the entire Imperium
For what purpose?
Salamanders for best Chapter.
>>317876234
>all the luck in the world won't
Stopped reading there, luck is insanely powerful (and a real discernible thing) in 40k
>>317885416
How exactly are they a Legion?
Is Warhammer 40k a good game? I never played a RTS game before.
>>317885104
What if the claw is really tough? Tough enough to stop a power sword. Such mutations surely aren't out of the realm of possibility. Does the toughness of the claw derive from the biological material it's become since transforming, or is it actually imbued with warp energy that actively makes it tougher than it would be if it were just a 'normal' claw? If the former, can a Tyranid eat it and suddenly all Tyranids start being made with crab claw carapaces?
And if it's the latter, what happens if a Culexus assassin wanders too close? Will the claw start to decay? Will it be the same claw, just less tough? Will it just revert back to a normal hand?
Like I said, nebulous and gray.
>>317885829
All of their Successor chapters report to Azrael and they work as a Legion. They are separate, 1000-Marine Chapters on paper, but if Azrael just wants to get them all together for a Legion-sized shindig, they do, and if the Inquisition asks them to stop, they tell them to fuck off.
Not to mention they're cunts because they destroyed a Black Templars ship for a prisoner that wasn't there.
>>317881251
its the SFM animation of meet the heavy but with the heavy model swapped to a space marine.
>>317886006
All the properties of the claw would be a result of warp magic, It might not even be made of sells, just random bits of warped matter only functioning because a matter warping anomaly is present.
It's kind of like how Nergul marines are dead from a biological standpoint.
If the claw was made of a super hard substance in it's own right then I'd still say no, there is nothing in the DNA that allows for the creation of the claws material.
It's not enough to just absorb a substance, a Nid would need the genetic blue prints to biologically produce that substance.
>>317878745
uh no we've seen SaryMue vets/terminators take Krak missiles before.
>>317885901
I think it's a fantastic game. It's the RTS that I can actually semi-immerse myself into.
Very fun gameplay as well.
>>317886538
Terminators, yes. Their armour is Sv2+. Veterans, no. Honour Guard or Marines with Artificer Armour? Yes,
>>317886006
They already have those sorts of claws anon.
Genestealers can shred through Terminator armor like paper (an exaggeration but not really that far off apparently). And Stealers are on the low end of horrible sharp things that can be stuck into you.
>>317885901
If you mean Dawn of War, depends. It is closer to a traditional RTS with the exception of the control point system.
It can be great fun but not for everyone. If it is just RTS you are after if may not be for you. But if you like 40K and RTS, then definitely give is a shot.
DoW2 though is radically different and not really a proper RTS.
>>317883951
The lack of cover is one of the worst things about the game in the end-game.
Against mobs of Orks you would generally get enough health from constant executions to let you keep wading through the enemy with melee and charges.
Then you get the late-game where you're stuck on balconies with no cover fighting the Lost and Damned and their grenade spam and CSM's.
There was one fight I remember just being awful where it was about 15 L&D and 3 CSM and you had absolutely no cover and they were all elevated so you couldn't get into melee to recover health. That fight eventually boiled down to 10 tedious minutes of running out to bait enemies, hoping not to die from the bolt/grenade spam from the moment I entered the room, and then taking potshots from the doorway with my pistol before the enemy could get back into cover and then waiting for my health to regen to do it again.
>>317874350
don't even need a primarch. most of the namned spece merens will do
Am I the only one here that would love another or more Kill-Team two stick shooter games?
It was fun as fuck, and still managed to do the lore justice given the game genre.
>>317885829
They split into chapters in name only. All chapters report to the DA and the DA can give orders to the other chapters. This power tends to make them thing they're above reproach and they'll pick fights with pretty much anyone:
Inquisition, what Space Marine chapter worth his salt hasn't done that
Black Templars, No one can prove they were behind that mysterious accident
Grey Knights, At least they realized that they couldn't pull a Black Templars on them and instead resorted to a mutual blackmail session.
>>317888509
So they go against the 3 biggest faggot organizations in 40k? Sounds good to me.
>>317875608
The majority of spartan 2's aree around 7 feet tall in armor, 8'2 is more typical elite height.
>>317888756
> biggest faggot organisations
> Black Templars literally get on with almost everyone who isn't a nob-jockey, Codex-worshipping cunt
> Get to hang out with the hot bolter bitches because they're tight as fuck with the Ecclesiarchy.
Also reminder that they are actually really scared of the Grey Knights because one time Grandmaster Azrael and some Dark Angels were being supported by Grandmaster Draigo and some Grey Knights, and Azrael was being a turbocunt and trying to pull rank and just fighting Draigo on literally everything he said. So Draigo pulled him aside quietly and said "Mate. We're on the same side. I respect you as a warrior, and as a servant of the Emperor. But you better screw your fucking head on right, or I'll tell the High Lords off Terra, and the entire Inquisition, about the Fallen, and what you do. Yeah, I know all about that. You think you're top shit. So did the Astral Claws. Look what happened to them. So, with respect, from one Grandmaster to another, shut your fucking cunt of a face and follow my fucking orders, you goddamn fucking near-as-might-as-well-be heretic."
>>317875347
>637 MC REKTed
PRAISE THE EMPRAH
>>317886858
>They already have those sorts of claws anon
Genestealer skin cannot stop a power sword.
Space Marine.
>>317890601
He means a Genestealer's Rending Claws. They have the Rending Special Rule, which means on a To Wound roll of 6, they count as AP2, which means they can theoretically tear through Terminator armour. Which is terrifying because there are usually a lot of them, and the have quite a few attacks, and they hit FAST.
>>317890751
But I wasn't talking about their claws, so it's beside the point.
>>317890903
But...HE was talking about the claws. Nobody was even talking about whether Genestealers can stop Power Swords.
Although largely irrelevant, since Genestealers are way faster, so even Terminators are usually put in the ground before they can strike back.
>>317879345
Nope, not that I'm aware of. Only the new armor in Halo 5 is like that.
