>OK, maybe this seems weird to some of y’all. But, this type of mod has a very specific history within a segment of the Fallout fandom. Back when Fallout 3 was released, there was some drama surrounding children in that game. Older Fallout games let players murder kids if they so pleased, and there was even an associated negative reputation that players could earn for doing so. Fallout 3 left that “feature” out of the game, though, and this was a move by Bethesda that some hardcore players really disliked.
>Why would anyone want to kill kids in the first place, though? There are a few things going on here, judging from the comments people have left on the “Killable Children” mod page for Fallout 4. There are players that consider killing children a part of Fallout tradition. Other players like this mod on principle, because it represents a political ideology. Perhaps they have no intention of using it, really, but they still want it to exist because they see it as a blow against so-called politically correct culture. Then you’ve got players who see invincible children as a nonsensical feature in certain contexts the game itself sets up. Typically, these players think invincible children is ‘immersion breaking.’ You’ve also got players who don’t think the mod goes far enough. And finally, there are players who just...dislike certain characters, or intend on playing Fallout 4 as a serial killer of sorts.
I don't understand why you people want to have killable kids in FO4. Why can’t nude and killable mods just stay for adult men and women. Seriously what do you get out of killing a child in a video game? I can’t wrap my head around it as a parent and it seems so psychopathic. I admire modders’ skills and dedication but this takes it too far.
>>317767217
It's just kids and old office workers wanting to be edgy. Just ignore and move along.
Why do you care?
It's not going to hinder your game at all
>>317767217
>All this blatant Ageism
This is the equality you fuckers craved. Best revel in it and just not let fake kids dying get to you.
Can you honestly say that you aren't discriminating against humans that aren't kids by taking this stance that kids in games shouldn't be killed? They don't even exist.
>>317767217
because children in bethesda games are annoying as fuck and not being able to murder their dumb faces in not only breaks immersion, it's a serious flaw in the game
>>317767681
Fuck little lamplight
>>317767217
Why do you get triggered by such meaningless shit? Holy fuck!
I've played violent games since I was a kid and I've never wanted to kill anyone irl.
There's nothing psychotic about killing a baby in a game, just as there isn't anything psychotic about killing and running over thousands of pedestrians in GTA. It's just a fucking game ffs!
>Doing mission where you blow up the Prydwen
>Kill everyone on my way to plant explosives
>See one last red dot on my radar running around frantically
>It's some kid
>He keeps repeating "What I wouldn't give for a weapon right now" every 5 seconds
>Can't kill or hurt him in any way
Immersion fucking broken
>>317767594
Wow. Underageb& detected. In the first fallout games you'd have kids running around in the middle of a firefight and if you accidentally killed one you'd be labeled as a kid killer and hated by all npc's. It was super annoying and I am glad they made kids invincible since.
Normal person
>I don't like the thing
>I wont buy or download it
Liberal
>I don't like the thing
>I'd better get all huffy about the thing and write passive aggressive articles about the thing and advocate banning the thing while saying it's not about censorship
>>317767809
>Fuck little lamplight
>tale of three wastelands
>take Macready back to lamplight
>kill all the children
>shoot him as well
>>317767217
x < number of irl children saved by disabling child simulation in popular game > y
Well, children can be killed and sexed in real life. I expect the same to apply in-game.
I know Fallout is far from realistic but being able to kill adults and not children is fucking ludicrous for many different reasons. It's the first mod I install, always, even if I don't plan on using it.
The only time I did use it was in Fo3.
>>317767217
100/10 writing. Really putting their "degree" to work
or its because in fallout 2 children were thieving little shitbags everyone hated
>>317767217
Those little shits can attack you without retribution. I wouldn't mind them being invincible at all if they didn't JOIN in fucking combat. If you pull a fucking gun on me or punch me I'm gonna beat your ass right back. It's game breaking and unfair to have an enemy that you are literally cannot kill, but can kill you, and is present is pretty much any and all cities if you decide to be a dick or accidentally aggro them.
>>317767930
>underage detected
Try again. Your sensors are off buddy.
I don't play Bethesda games because they're shit, but I haven't played the original Fallout games either. I'm just pointing out the blatant flaws in the stance OP is taking.
>>317767681
not to mention its lazy adult model FORCED to looks like children
also sex with children in post apoclypse should be natural because you need to repopulate as fast as possible
Are invincible kids a form of censorship, /v/?
LITERALLY think-of-the-children tier. The edgy rebel children become the aging soccer moms.
>>317767217
You do kill kids in all the endings but the minutemen
>>317767409
LittleLamplight was the worst area in a Fallout game EVER. and it could have been fine if we could kill the kids.
Patricia stop posting nobody cares about your clickbait bullshit
believe it or not, but my mod has nothing to do with YOU
>>317768192
>The edgy rebel children become the aging soccer moms.
Reminder that the people who are calling for censorship and participating in book burning campaigns RIGHT NOW are almost all college aged.
The future is fucking bleak.
> I can’t wrap my head around it as a parent
>as a parent
>cant wrap their head around wanting to kill children
liar.
dangerous liar too.
only a madman would lie about personal feelings on an anonymous imageboard
>fat ugly spic bitch and her worthless opinion
sage
>>317767217
Because if they simply didn't want the issue of killing children, they could have avoided the issue.
But Fallout 3 involved a main quest environment in which you needed to get to a place, and the place was guarded by ARMED CHILDREN. If those little shits in Little Lamplight were adults, then I would have probably just shot my way through there, especially with how annoying they acted. But they were unkillable so I had to pretend to be a grovelling little shit.
Funny thing is, all the years I played Fallout and Fallout 2, I never intentionally killed children. But Little Lamplight made me want to.
tl;dr if Bethesda had a moral issue with violence against children, they shouldn't have armed children threaten you with violence.
>>317767947
Eh, I'm about as liberal as people come and I fall in the first category. I don't give a hoot.
>>317767217
>I don't understand why you people want to have killable kids in FO4.
I don't understand why it's a big deal since they're not real. You could shoot dozens of them in Invisible War and no one gave a rat's ass.
>>317767217
>Only do what I say is fun. Wah.
>>317768340
>burning books
Wait what. This is some 1984/Nazi/Soviet bullshit.
The point isn't that people can't live 10 minutes without killing children- and they shouldn't have to defend that even if it were the case. It's that they just want to know that they could. Immortal kiddies is just one more unnecessary guardrail in the game world, and it makes your choice NOT to kill somebody fucking worthless when they can't be killed in the first place.
>>317767217
>Why would anyone want to kill kids in the first place, though? There are a few things going on here, judging from the comments people have left on the “Killable Children” mod page for Fallout 4. There are players that consider killing children a part of Fallout tradition. Other players like this mod on principle, because it represents a political ideology. Perhaps they have no intention of using it, really, but they still want it to exist because they see it as a blow against so-called politically correct culture. Then you’ve got players who see invincible children as a nonsensical feature in certain contexts the game itself sets up. Typically, these players think invincible children is ‘immersion breaking.’ You’ve also got players who don’t think the mod goes far enough. And finally, there are players who just...dislike certain characters, or intend on playing Fallout 4 as a serial killer of sorts.
I'm confused. Is this article pro-child killing? Because all I'm seeing are a lot of really good reasons why it should be in the game.
>>317767217
>I don't understand why you people want to have killable kids in FO4. Why can’t nude and killable mods just stay for adult men and women. Seriously what do you get out of killing a child in a video game? I can’t wrap my head around it as a parent and it seems so psychopathic. I admire modders’ skills and dedication but this takes it too far.
because some people want to have it and fuck you
if you don't like it, then don't download the mod. nobody's forcing you to play that way if you don't want to, fascist.
>>317767217
invincible children broke a lot of things in fallout 3. They could get back items that you stole, then you could never get those items back again.
>>317767217
>Other players like this mod on principle, because it represents a political ideology.
Nigger WHAT
>>317768449
Not to mention killing children in FO2 was a really stupid idea. It was pretty much the worse thing you can do in the eyes of the NPCs. Children were sacred in 2, entirely killable, but you left them alone.
Now people are forced to mod it into the game for the sole purpose of blasting the little fuckers because the option was removed entirely.
>>317768340
I can only hope they're still in their "dumb kid" phase and when they get a real job they'll stop giving a shit about tits or kids in games and things will go back to normal. I have no idea why this generation is so fucked up though. Bad parenting I imagine.
>>317767217
>it's okay to kill people and animals in a game, but not children
the hypocrisy is staggering
>>317768506
You haven't figured out by now that the ideal vidya for the sjws is a railroaded interactive cinematic like the order?
>>317767217
You're already killing random people, some of them begging for their life. There's no reason why kids shouldn't be fair game.
I mean really, with 10 charisma, I pacify as many enemies in an encounter as I can. When the fight is down, I pick a random target and fire a single bullet in their arm. The target panics while everyone else guns him down because they want to stay on my good side
And I continue doing this until there's only two of them left. Then I strip them of all their gear and force them to fight each other to the death. The winner is rewarded with a switchknife (I always carry several of them around) and ordered to turn around and stay in a corner while I walk way. Before they enter the exit I look behind me to see if he or she is still standing. Pacified enemies will sometimes randomly attack you if you wait long enough. If they're trying to backstab, I give them a single critical strike to the head from my shotgun.
>>317768620
Yeah this.
Can someone please explain what political ideology that thinks killing kids is okay?
Kotaku really is the Fox news of video games.
I have a better topic of discussion:Children of the Sky
>why would anyone want to RP in a role playing game
>>317767217
If you're going to argue from a parent point of view then I'll argue from a human point of view. Why do people want to kill grown women and men? My answer is because it's a fucking video game. It's not real. I have three kids of my own and think invincible kids in games is dumb. I think invincible npcs in general are dumb because it creates a lack of consequences.
>yfw this literal gorilla is scrolling through /v/ right now, looking for its next article that will rile us up
>>317768798
That's brilliant and really fucking disturbing.
This guy for president 2016
>>317768835
Being allowed to do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone is a classical liberal idea. Since you hurt no one playing vidyagame, it's a liberal idea to allow you to be fairly liberal when you play the game.
it feels so strange that I wish video games would go back to being a niche hobby you would get bullied in high school for doing.
>>317768340
Its always college aged assholes who ruin things.
Kamikaze pilots were mostly college students. The Young Turks, the guys who tried to exterminate the Armenians, were mostly college students. Hitler was radicalized in his early 20's.
>>317768835
Free speech.
>murdering tons of virtual innocent people is a-OK
>murdering virtual kids is over the line
Why? It's virtual and fake. Why do lines of code deserve to be treated like human beings?The people who think like Patricia "Baboon" Hernandez are the same faggots that think Synths deserve rights. Raildroad wasts of space.
>>317768340
>>317768487
>>317768740
It's worse than you think, /v/.
http://www.thedemands.org/
>>317768165
beth didnt make fallout 1 and 2 you child.
>>317767217
>I don't understand why you people want to have killable kids in FO4
Oh wow so what are kids less important than adults now? Are they not "people" now?
Take your racist, ageist bullshit elsewhere - we have EQUALITY on /v/
>>317768835
>what political ideology that thinks killing kids
can you explain what political idology thinks killing virtual kids is not ok?
>>317767409
This. Why do people care so much? This is like that story about watchdogs that people would upload videos of them killing minorities in the game. Its a game, people are going to do stupid shit.
I mean I think killing kids in vidya is a little creepy, but why let it get to you if someone else wants to do it?
> I'm offended by killing pixels that are younger than other pixels.
>>317768490
>it makes your choice NOT to kill somebody fucking worthless when they can't be killed in the first place
fucking this
![Op+is+a+fa+wait+wat+_d0bf2fed7dd73de6ee917ebf76999a06[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WcMqI3E.jpg "Op+is+a+fa+wait+wat+_d0bf2fed7dd73de6ee917ebf76999a06[1].jpg")
>>317768798
>>317767217
>See Authors Name
>Pic related
Every NPC in my roleplaying game needs to be killable.
No, I dont intend to go on a child murdering rampage.
But if for whatever reason I decide to completely wipe out diamond city, I am N O T going to be satisfied if everyone is dead except for a couple of kids (that are still doing their "I cant talk to strangers, buy the newspaper! routine)
Is that so hard to understand?
>>317769150
>but I haven't played the original Fallout games either
Can you fucking read? I'm aware of that.
Sometime I like to go apeshit and kill things in games, and not being able to depopulate a region because godmode kids exist is frustrating. Like I fucked up in Fallout 2 and ruined a quest in the Den, so I just started wailing on this guy with a combat knife. His kid came up and started ineffectually hitting me before I shanked him after his dad died. At that point I went full psycho, dropped some buffout and went on a rampage before quitting out and reloading. I wouldn't do it in a normal game, but I like that I'm able to do something like that.
>>317769117
Maybe this world needs a nuclear war.
>>317768835
GamerGate. Everything is their fault.
>>317769248
political ideology of aged yentas
>>317767217
>shitaku
>>317767217
How long until animu loli mods like for Skyrim?
>patricia "gorilla" hernandez
reddit.com/r/childfree
>>317769564
Communists. Everything is their fault.
>>317769117
>boy I sure am glad my school isn't on there
>wait hold up
>it's right there
>It's to change the name of a building
oh my god who the hell cares?
>Why would you want to do X in a video game, demographic Y finds that repulsive.
>>317769013
that webm makes me laugh.
>>317767217
>a huge list of valid reasons as to why people want killable kids
>WOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT
>>317767217
I think Patricia did a pretty decent job explaining why we want killable kids.
>>317769693
>>317767217
You don't need to understand it.
Other people like different things to what you like. So, it's those other people's problem, in how to get what they want. Not yours.
All you gotta do is stay out of the way.
If you get in the way deliberately in a "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE" manner, people are rightfully going to tell you to go fuck yourself for barging into an issue that doesn't concern you and complaining.
STOP CENSORING VIDEO GAMES
>>317769117
>Not knowing why people would want to kill a child
Look in the mirror, OP.
>>317768740
Larger repercussions for corporal punishment on top of a "you can do anything" culture for children is my guess. The only people who'd hit their kids at this point are legitimate child abusers and the people who'd issue a light smack on the thigh are afraid of jail time.
With all the SJW shit that's happening at large it's only a matter of time before a large push against it happens. It's anecdotal at best, but all the college friends I have that were posting endlessly about Ferguson haven't said a thing about Mizzou because of how badly they're delegitimizing their own movement.
>>317767217
>There are people in this world who still struggle with the concept of virtually killing fictional characters
When will it end? Do video games need to start including a disclaimer at the start? Something like:
>The characters of this video game are not living beings. Their experiences are not real. Please seek psychological help if you being feeling deeply concerned about their well being.
I have no intention of killing kids(though I do like being a berzerker) but I agree it's incredibly unrealistic for npcs or choice characters like kids to be invincible.
Also I was disappointing you can't do gay shit in fo4, I wanted to fuck men in the ass even though I'm straight but I can't do it.
>>317767217
>just posted an excerpt of 4 reasons why people would want killable children
>"I don't understand why you people want to have killable kids"
what a pointless thread.
>>317769957
I really wish Dragon's Crown was more appropriate. I say this with all sincerity. That game was just grossly perverse and it really didn't need to be.
>>317769721
Jews. Everything is their fault.
>>317767217
>I don't understand why you people want to have killable kids in FO4.
you should be able to kill anyone, those little shits don't deserve to be invincible just because they're underage
they even removed kids pick pocketing you.
bravo todd!
>>317769117
>My school isn't on there
>Only 2 schools in my state that everyone already hates is on there
God bless North Carolina
>>317770287
Jump headfirst off a building.
>>317769117
Imagine these people when they get into the real world and their boss doesn't give a fuck about "muh feelz"
>>317769957
>Cringe thread material
Seriously there's a way to argue that outfits shouldn't be changed in games if you want to but going right out the gate with LE EBIL ANITA CARTOON is a surefire way to immediately make people dismiss your argument.
>People ignoring the fact that blowing up the Prydwen is literally killing a dozen young boys
THE INSTITUTE ARE
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https://youtu.be/08YjzmvSx_o
>>317770287
>I say this with all sincerity.
good one.
I thought it was stupid I couldn't kill children in skyrim, I also thought it was stupid that i couldnt kill plot critical NPCs what ideology does this spic put me under?
>>317770259
When someone posts something that is dense as OP's you honestly need to reflexively figure he's either posting in bad faith or is an actual fucking retard before it affects you.
>>317770612
but she's largely to blame.
anyone remember shooting up the girls school in invisible war?
>>317770287
>please censor stuff that doesn't cater to me
Go fuck yourself
>>317770559
go on disability for clinical depression and sit on the internet all day, same thing all of lifes losers do.
>>317769117
desu senpai I think those people need to be rounded up and gunned down.
>>317769957
>Lies or over-exaggerations
Yeah, I'm sure you were planning on buying DoAX3 despite it always selling like shit in the west. I'm sure twitter-whores were responsible for Nintendo doing what they always have done and censoring extremes.
>>317770650
>dirty wasteland born scum children
>also brainwashed by the nu-brotherhood
who cares
>>317770612
>LE EBIL ANITA CARTOON is a surefire way to immediately make people dismiss your argument.
but she is literally the person who complained about Bayonetta being too sexy.
Oh wait, you already know this and you're just defending your SJW friends.
>>317770859
>Nintendo doing what they always have done and censoring extremes.
name one example of Nintendo removing a costume or character for being too sexy before 2012. I'll wait while you frantically dig through wikipedia.
>>317770958
Yes she did do that, it's a free country, she can make whatever youtube trash she wants.
Are you saying we should blacklist or takedown her videos or what?
>>317769117
>tfw your school isn't on there
Good shit
>>317770745
Unless you can cite exact caustations between her saying something and a dev changing things, then don't put it in. It's a shitty argument rooted in emotional bullshit that is a) only effective on the people who already agree with you and b) literally the exact same kind of appeal to emotion/creating panic that they do.
>>317770958
You are literally retarded. Anita is a conman who is full of shit but either cite exact instances where her input caused a dev to change things or shut up because it's an argument that people can use to immediately discredit the rest of your point about changing the outfits.
>>317770819
I'm diagnosed with depression. Should I just drop out of school and do that? How easy is it to get away with?
>>317767217
You have a mechanic where you can do shitty things and people respond to it. Why would they make fourth wall breaking changes to keep you from doing shitty things?
>>317769117
Thank god mountaineers.
>>317771113
Oh, it will be.
Social justice is very infectious.
>mfw The Minutemen gave me shit for letting the synth copy of my son die
He didn't even recognize me as dad until he thought he was going to die, how fucking convenient.
>>317769957
My dick liked the booty shorts more than the bikini bottom.
>>317771095
I'm saying she tried to censor the game.
You know, the whole point that the image exists: to point out that people are censoring and trying to censor games.
>>317767217
nice bait jackass
stop fucking capping Shitaku, faggot, you're cancer
>>317770409
I've got only one, the University of Puget Sound. Apparently it's a tiny liberal arts school with like 2500 students. I'm a little surprised really. I'd assumed Washington would have more.
>>317767217
You're not being serious. This is a disingenuous bait thread and you do not actually believe what you are saying.
I acknowledge this ahead of hand as a matter of form. I do not think you disagree with me, so I am not actually trying to convince you. Rather, I am using your bait as an excuse to explain something I have been meaning to articulate for a long time.
Why You Should Be Able to Kill Children in Vidya
When my son played Morrowind for the first time last year, he had already been playing video games for half of his life. He had played Far Cry 3, Oblivion, Skyrim, tons of Madden, and I would say an unhealthy amount of Warthunder. When I was his age, I hadn't played dick because I went to a creepy German cult school that believed electronic media to kill the young brain. I only got to start playing vidya when I was in my late teens.
So when I went through great lengths to get Morrowind running with all of my favorite mods on his PC, so that he could see the glory of the jewel in Bethesda's crown, I expected him to be a bit frustrated by how dated the game's combat was, but hopefully enthralled by its depth and freedom.
And I was right, it took him some time to figure out that there were rolls going on behind the screen, but the idea wasn't totally foreign to him, he picked up on it easily.
It was not until he murdered some asshole in a shack on a farm somewhere and got the message that he had rendered the main plot unwinnable that he put down the game.
He could not conceive of a reason why you would make a plot-critical NPC mortal. More than that, he couldn't conceive of a reason why you would make a merchant mortal, or someone important to a quest. Moreover, his attitude had largely been that anyone he could kill could not be important, because if they were, they would be Essential NPCs and only knocked out.
>>317770859
all of that is accurate, though. except for Fatal Frame. NoA has been censoring stuff since forever.
DoAX3 was just confirmed not being released in the west thanks to feminists. whether anyone was going to actually buy it is irrelevant.
>>317771162Post more Marty
>"Player freedom remains our absolute number one goal" -Todd Howard
>Can't kill plot specific characters
>Can't kill companions
>Can't kill kids
>>317767930
How do you accidentally kill someone in a turnbased game?
>>317771228
All she did was bitch about the game on her shitty youtube channel and had some douche tweet some stupid shit. She's allowed to do that, people can bitch and moan as much as they want, make an idiot of themselves, and cry for censorship, it's a goddamn free country. Anita did not walk into Nintendo's offices and dictate what is and what isn't allowed.
>>317768798
Sounds fun. I'm just doing a barbarian build. Just using the costume from the comic book store and chopping people down. Your build sounds really neat, I might try it next.
>>317767217
>giving a shit about imaginary children
>giving a shit about what other people do in single player games
>>317767217
>Why would anyone want to kill kids in the first place, though?
What's the difference between killing kids and killing adults?
Why do people here get so triggered by Patricia Hernandez articles?
They are literally hyperbolic clickbait to make people angry.
>>317771485
You're saying this as if Nintendo hasn't been removing sexy women, bikinis, and breast sliders from all their games this year.
Gee, I wonder who or what could have provoked them to start doing that... nope. Can't think of a thing.
>>317771285
DoAX3 is completely on Tecmo's hands. They're the ones with their dick between their legs, running away because they're afraid of some youtube and twitter whores. Nobody walked into Tecmo and said "You can't release this"
>>317771461
>Shady guy who owns a bar who you were supposed to beat up for keking a man tells you to help him ruin a drug deal
>You can only not do the quest and keep it in y our log forever instead of telling him to go fuck himself
>You can't warn them he's trying to fuck them over
>Wanting to bring harm to innocent lolis/shotas
>>317768896
Fucking thank you, please, type it once again.
Killing children was removed as not to offend mainstream audiences in order to extract more money.
It has nothing to do with political correctness but funny that the SJW links PC culture to commodification.
It's exactly what these goo gobbling shills endorse.
>>317769013
Nah, she grabs her shit from reddit. Every article she ever puts out can be lined up to a popular thread on any subreddit.
Ty based Drakengard and Yoko Taro for letting us kill evil kids and babies
>>317771228
>I'm saying she tried to censor the game.
Criticism = / = Censorship.
When will /v/, /pol/ and the rest of triggered reactionaries understand this?
HOW DARE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT FALLOUT 4, YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO CENSOR TODDS VISION, FREE SPEECH, FREE SPEECH!
This is exactly what you are doing if you flipped it around on /v/.
>I don't understand why you people want to have killable kids in FO4
Let me tell you why in my case
>Arrived at bunker hill
>some girl offers to show me the place for 10 caps
>brags how she knows all about the place
>pay her the 10 caps
>literally says "the shop is over there, the bar is on the other side and the motel is in the back, bye."
>leaves walking
Spent the next 20 minutes continuously reloading to fire mini nukes at her and all the residents just to vent my anger.
>>317771481
>Fallout 3 was my first Fallout game: The Post
Shotguns, and rapid fire weapons which worked pretty much the same as shotguns. And explosives, obviously.
It was much easier to accidentally kill someone in 1 and 2 than it ever could be in 3, 4, and NV.
>>317771634
no, but feminists turned the public opinion on them. being labeled as sexist is bad PR.
>>317767217
Their not real the adults are just larger models you retard.
>>317771268
This started me thinking on other ways in which games do this--teach you that actions have no consequences, essentially rendering your actual actions meaningless. Games with immortal companions do this. Remember the buddies in Far Cry 2? That shit was messed up, but it was instructional. Remember Fallout and Fallout 2? Nobody was immortal there.
Meanwhile in Fallout 4 you can fire a fatman at a mutant that your dog is literally holding by the leg without fear. There's no sense of mortality, no sense of consequence, your companions are literally immortal, you have less than nothing to fear for their safety in the event that they are injured.
And that sucks shit, it drains all of the tension out of every fight. There's no sense that you might lose someone important to you if a battle turns ugly. In Fallout 2, do you know how hard I worked to keep that dipshit Sulik alive? That game had consequences, and it felt good. Just getting through the game with all your friends still alive felt good.
It's jarring and shitty to try to kill someone, or to see the black hand of death CLEARLY ordain someone's demise, only to have them fall down to some bullshit wounded posture and then get back up after the fight is over, or to fall over with "X was knocked unconscious" popping up on the screen.
Which brings us to children.
>>317767217
Without reading the thread, yes, it breaks immersion. Maybe you don't want to go around killing kids, but what if you lobbed a grenade in a room to kill an enemy and found that there was a kid in there who was blown to pieces? It could affect your role play and you'd spend the rest of the game trying to atone. Or not. It just hampers the game for no reason. But it STILL isn't as bad as making your companions unkillable. What the fuck is the point in anything then? Just another way the games have turned babby-like. And I'm generally a fan.
>>317771686
That's like Dark Souls putting in an easy mode to appeal to the mainstream audience
>other players like this mod on principle, because it represents a political ideology
uwotm8
>>317767947
/v/
>I don't like the thing
>I'd better get all huffy about the thing and start internet movements about the thing and advocate banning the thing while saying it's about "ethics"
I wonder if Shaun fucked his kid synth self
>>317771848
Like I said, the slightest criticism from some internet-only feminist faggots and Tecmo hides away. What do you suggest, we censor twitter-whores? Somebody on twitter will always get offended over something. They should have expected it anyways releasing cheesecake: the game. Even DoAX1 got called sexist, Tecmo just lost their balls because people think Twitter has more power than it actually does.
>>317771481
Have you never shot someone beside you to shit with burst fire when your target is a metre in front?
Have you never critically missed so hard that your character has done a 180 and shot an ally for ridiculous damage?
These things aren't rare in FO1/2
>>317767217
Its immersion breaking, plain and simple. If its that big of a moral deal for devs, make an appropriate punishment for players that kill kids in games. But in a world where I can kill nearly everything that moves, having a living entity that is an infinite bullet sponge is retarded.
>That one town in the early Fallouts that has the pickpocketing children
>Drop everything except a time bomb
>Set bomb to go off in 5 minutes
>Walk back and forth next to kids until they steal it
>Take a few steps back
>And wait
Also, why can't they just go with the old method of if you directly kill a child you get saddled with about the worst perk in the world that makes everyone hate you to death?
That alone tended to curb most people from going around and capping kids for no reason.
I miss the 90's. Niggers where niggers and soccer moms where just some crazy womans, who no one took seriously.
>>317769117
>2. WE DEMAND free tuition for Black and indigenous students
>>317772291
Or just dont add kids, like morrowind. Its not a hard thing to avoid.
>>317769957
bayonetta wasn't censored
for making the point that retards want to edit M-rated games for adults, just mention that fatal frame V is rated M and cut out the bayonetta part
>>317771824
How does my post even remotely say Fallout 3 was my first? How is it easier to accidentally kill someone in a turnbased game compared to one where they can literally run in front of your sights as you're firing? You've either never played the first two, and are now trying to cover for that fact based on your increased hostility. Or you're just really bad at playing games and lack the ability of foresight.
>>317771795
I'd wholeheartedly agree if we weren't living in an age when disagreeing with the rhetoric brands you a sexist bigot that must face the consequences, which is usually losing your job.
These people have the perfect discourse because they're above all criticism. They're in the 'right' side of history, after all.
>catering to a group that don't even play the games
I miss the -90's. "We are men and we like tits, huge tits!" and developers or filmakers anybody CREATING content thinking "I fucking love tits too" way of thinking
>>317770819
not him, but I think I do have depression, how the fuck would I get some bux for that? spell it out for me.
>>317768487
I'd say more like Fahrenheit 451, but those work too.
>>317767217
>mods make children killable
>still cant have sex with children
reminder that americuks believe that killing children is better that making love to them
So which one should I use?
This isn't even that difficult to understand.
YOU are playing the game, YOU have choices and it's up to YOU to kill the kids.
If you can't play the game without doing it and then you blame the game/dev then you have an issue.
>>317767217
"Let me enlighten you, grasshopper. Fallout 2 is cool because it's a nonlinear, nonclassbased kickass postnuclear computer roleplaying game with a high replayabillity value. Fallout 2 allows you to play your character the way you want. If you want to play a goodie-two-shoes, you can. If you want to play an evil bastard, you can (Yes, you really can hit children in the groin with a sledgehammer). If you want to play a moron who can hardly talk because of his low intelligence, you can."
- Shadowman, Fallout Wikia
If kids were killable in Fallout 4 there is a quest in the southern part of the map where you save and have to take home a ghoul child- a gunfight erupts and the kid goes and hides upstairs. If it were possible that a stray bullet would kill him, or if someone threw a grenade through a window and did it, the quest would have had spectacularly more gravitas.
Do I want to go around murdering children? No. Do I want a game that presents a world full of massive danger to have that danger apply to everyone equally? Yes.
>>317772215
like I said, bad PR. Tecmo is a company that must profit first and foremost, and you can't do that with bad PR.
the point is that feminists are basically abusing their power. free speech is worthless if the price for having a controversial opinion is your job. that's not how it's supposed to work.
>>317772402
>How is it easier to accidentally kill someone in a turnbased game compared to one where they can literally run in front of your sights as you're firing?
>Fallout 3 was my first Fallout game: the post.
>>317772919
Oh good argument.You sure showed me with your memetexting and memequotes.
>>317772259
>Hey Marcus, hold this Minigun for me.
>Battle starts with Marcus behind you.
>>317772402
>he's never clicked on the wrong hexagon
I forget there are kids in FO4. There's the brat in Diamond City I ignore every single time. You see Shaun as a child in segments where you couldn't harm him anyways. I know there's one other kid somewhere in Diamond City but I'm really struggling to remember any others.
All of this to ask, who the fuck cares? I just looked it up and you can't even shoot them. They're just... nothing? I can't see how the game would be drastically improved by the ability to murder kids, and I can definitely see the game being boycotted if it's allowed, which directly translates to lost sales for Bethesda. It's not one of those controversies that ultimately generates more hype, anything to do with harming kids is bad to 'murricans.
>>317773156
>I don't have sausage fingers or Parkinsons so my mouse clicks where I want it to and this is a bad thing
>>317771875
When you make an NPC in this sort of game immortal, you're breaking your game's immersion. That's what it is, end of story. But why are you doing this? What's the purpose of breaking the player's immersion to stop him from killing someone? Let's whittle it down to a few possibilities:
1: You want to protect the player from their own stupidity in the form of broken questlines/unwinnable games.
2: You feel that the act of killing that NPC would be somehow unhealthy for the player or society.
Barring the killing children generally falls under category 2, and this is why it is a bad thing: The only purpose for it is to prevent the PC from crossing this magical taboo line into "evil," and in doing so, it breaks immersion right where immersion is the most important--when a player has elected to go totally off the rails and do something unforgivably evil.
This can literally only reduce the potential experience of the game. That's why I don't approve of it. If a player snaps and cuts a twelve year old's fucking head off, I don't want her to wobble like a goofy cartoon and then run off, I want her fucking head to fly off and for her to die. That's an experience. That's what games are about. To reduce it to "lol no, this kid's age makes them immortal" is fucking retarded and cheapens the game. It was pushed by pearlclutchers who don't understand what games are about and who think that doing violent things in a game makes you a violent person. Given that that has been categorically and decisively disproved, what's the problem exactly? Why shouldn't we be allowed to kill whoever we want in a game about doing whatever you want?
I understand developers deciding that they don't want that in their game, but I will not stand for being chastised by some tut-tutting puritan retard for wanting immersion in my fucking RPGs.
>>317767217
>watching brother play fallout 3
>it's early on and he just got the super sledge
>niglet son of the sheriff is playing with that orphan girl as her adopted father with that scoped Pistol watches in his tiny shack
>bro pulls out super sledge and swings it like a madman at the kids
>"why the fuck won't they die?"
>they run out the door
>bro quickly sledges the dad and pursues the kids
>leaves the shack and literally the entire town is there
>bro super sledges his way to the gate and gets killed by the sheriff at the last second
I laughed about this for hours after it happened
>>317773126
It's okay, there's nothing inherently wrong with FO3 being your first. Not everyone enjoys good games.
>>317767217
>Be me playing fallout 3
>Decide I want to go full evil and blow up megaton
>decide to get jericho and loot the place before blowing it to shit
>Kill everyone in the town except two kids that constantly run around panicking
I mean it really does break immersion when I wanna play a role. I'm not saying I wanna kill kiddies every run but I'm just saying you don't feel like a evil fucker because the game tells you "No no no kids are off limits." I thought the whole point of a role playing game was to role play?
>>317768192
>>317772342
I'm sure most students would be more willing to go with that if they rewrote it to include everyone else as well. That way Whites would be more open to helping Blacks and Natives get free tuition!
PIXELS
DON'T
HAVE
FEELINGS
>>317773236
>he levels Throwing
>>317767217
Because killing EVERYONE in the wasteland should be achievable.
Essential npcs are dumb as hell and there are much better ways to implement that kind of thing.
>>317772870
If fans were willing to overcome the negative voices Tecmo would change their tune. The reason the pathetic 'Facebook petition' got ignored is because it was only a few hundred signatures. The DoAX games have always sold like shit, and THAT is the reason Tecmo isn't bringing it over.
Doxxing and doing anything more than ordering pizzas is a shit move. But that's not the problem in this situation. Nobody is threatening to dox Tecmo, and I don't think you can fire a company.
>>317773126
any burst weapon on FO can hit anything on the line of fire (must account the spreed too)
so if there is someone, anyone near it can/probably will be hit
>>317773462
>he levels gay sex with hats on
>>317773307
The only real problem with not having certain NPCs immortal in a game like this is that they can and will die offscreen sometimes.
>Patricia "pinch my hairy tit" Hernandez
This article will definitely have merit.
Realism nigger, Witcher 3 has shit like that, why can't other "M-Rated" RPGs?
it's supposed to be a fucking RPG series even though bethesda has essentially made it just a shooter, in an RPG no character should be immortal unless there's a good plot related reason for it
>>317767217
Because if you're building a world that's realistic and believable you can't just pretend like children are immune to death.
I mean if I'm gonna play the part of a villain with no conscience then why the fuck would I give a free pass to children. It's pretty simple mate.
>this is a test. test
>>317772462
>>317770819
I also need to know this.
>>317773307
It always feels so odd that the solution to this sorta thing has already been done in things like Morrowind.
You kill a dude that was important then you get a quick little text box saying "You fucked up."
The same message is there, you know you fucked up. Just in this case you can either reload like a sane person, or just continue on in your little fucked up world.
So why take steps back from that?
>>317769957
We got off pretty light, then.
Still, kid invulnerability is a good way of not treating your audience like adults, not that it matters anymore.
>>317769117
>We DEMAND that cameras surveilling students, workers, and white supremacist monuments on campus be deactivated and removed.
>We DEMAND an end to the list of people banned from the University campus, who we are certain are disproportionately poor and homeless people of color.
>We DEMAND that no additional funding be provided to the UNC Department of Public Safety and call for a divestment from policing on our campus.
genius
>We know that merit scholarships reproduce inequality as they primarily benefit wealthier, white students.
lol
>>317773307
>implying kids aren't immortal in real life
Have you ever tried to kill one? Didn't think so faggot
>>317767217
you can kill your synth kid in vanilla
its only bad when modders do it
oh wait
its probably bad when bethesda does it also because they got blacklisted
>>317767217
You literally answered yourself in that greentext.
For me, it's
> Then you’ve got players who see invincible children as a nonsensical feature in certain contexts the game itself sets up. Typically, these players think invincible children is ‘immersion breaking.
If there's someone bugging the shit out of me and just won't leave me the fuck alone, I'm going to try to kill them no matter the consequences. So I like any mod whatsoever that removes invincible characters.
>>317767217
>y'all
Why do SJWs always type in this weird faux-folksy style? It's really fucking annoying.
>>317769013
>>317773572
When I fallout 3 I'm always bewildered how they thought it was a good idea to make all NPCs travel by walking instead of fast traveling. Like I can understand some walking like the traders but when Moria Brown walks to the underworld and you get the message that the "Wasteland survival guide quest has failed" It's really annoying.
>>317773161
Developers are afraid of unintended consequences by the player. Worst case scenario: You itched your finger and accidentally fire a fat man in a city like a retard, murdering poor Timmy and the town is now pissed as fuck and word spreads fast that you're a child killer, thus preventing many side quests from happening because every NPC now has kill on sight relations with you. Maybe you're so retarded and have a single autosave because manual saving is too annoying. The last autosave was when you tried to exit the town while fleeing from the angry mob. Now you can't ever fix itching your finger while having a mini-nuke launcher out. You're now pissy and mad, dropping the game and give a 0/10 on metacritic.
Solution: Prevent you from making such accidents. Because devs think you're too fucking retarded.
>>317767217
>I don't understand why you people want to have killable people in FO4.
>Seriously what do you get out of killing a person in a video game? I can’t wrap my head around it as a human and it seems so psychopathic.
>>317773859
Well, she died pretty quickly with just my hands around her throat.
>>317773142
>"We be good with submachine gun"
>>317767217
>But, this type of mod has a very specific history within a segment of the Fallout fandom.
>I WAS PLAYING VIDEO GAMES 5 YEARS AGO SO I'M KIND OF LIKE AN EXPERT, TEE-HEE
why won't someone fucking firebomb kotaku and kill this gorilla already
>>317767217
Because
>Typically, these players think invincible children is ‘immersion breaking.’
It is actually pretty jarring when a kid gets attacked by a Deathclaw because nothing will happen.
Killable children? I rush the fuck in there to save them because now they actually WILL die. Now I feel like I actually saved a life.
Your move, OP.
>>317773932
>when I play
Fuck i keep fucking up today. Not a good day
>>317773895
Is that character from one of the old Scooby Doo movies?I forgot that shit even existed
>>317773974gotcha bitch
>>317767217
Personally I see invincible "any NPC" not just children as an issue, I prefer the morrowind approach, if I fuck up, then I fuck up. I don't want these NPCs to be killable because I plan on killing them, I want them to be killable so that I can actually fuck up. The same goes for kids, do I approach a situation the same if there are kids in the area? If there invincible I don't have to worry about hurting them. if they're vulnerable I need to adjust my tactics.
And that's what it boils down to, a tactical issue, at least for me. I find having to be wary of vulnerable NPCs in certain situations a boon to my gaming experience.
>2008
>playing FO3
>want to be a dickhead
>load up on guns and ammo and slaughter the entire tow of megaton
>everyone is fucking dead
>except for those two kids. Because they're invincible
>later on get to little lamplight
>mcready is the biggest cocksucker in the entire game
>gets away with it with total impunity because the game literally doesn't let you use a violent alternative to getting into their town
Why stop with children? Why allow us to kill any nonhostile NPCs at all? What are you, some kind of monster?
>>317773840
Lets be honest, what can possibly go wrong with all those demands?
![EXTRA-LARGE-SCOOBY-DOO-GHOUL-SCHOOL-Panoramic-Photo_57[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ql6v4zc.jpg "EXTRA-LARGE-SCOOBY-DOO-GHOUL-SCHOOL-Panoramic-Photo_57[1].jpg")
>>317774146
Scooby Doo and the Ghoul School
Used to be a Halloween marathon staple.
>>317773826
I always liked Morrowind because you can fuck up the main quest and just become and explorer. Most of the time I'd just accidentally sell the starting package for some reason when I was little. I was 8 and I had no idea what was going on but I played that game like a motherfucker
>>317770409
cannot wait to get the fuck out of Greensboro. it's half liberal pussies and half chimps.
>>317774221
Jokes on you, I'm in Canada.
>>317769117
Holy shit, fuck niggers.
>>317774337
>Have seen this move more times than I care to admit due to just leaving on a TV to Cartoon Network
I regret nothing.
>>317767594
>Ageism
I don't know what's worse, this entire thread or the fact that redditfags like you run a muck here.
>>317767217
Because invincible kids that can survive nukes and everything else is completely immersion breaking.
>B-but think of the virtual children!
They're not real. They're just scaled down adult models.
>>317774467
>implying Scooby Doo isn't based as fuck
>>317774464
>He doesn't know these are all written by white people.
![file[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/r2JU0G5.jpg "file[1].jpg")
>>317767217
How hard would it be for Bethesda to just do an actual Sandbox mode in their games? Like turn the main plot off and just run it like a Sims town where time passes and new NPCs are either born or just spawn in. Everyone has their immortality tags turned off and you can just fucking annihilate every character you don't like. You could waste entire settlements and then over time either raiders settle in or actual drifters come in and start rebuilding. It would go well with their whole settlement economy they've built.
I don't give a fuck about murdering kids but I'm sick of invulnerable characters in Bethesda games.
There's nothing wrong with driving on the sidewalk in GTA though.
>>317767217
it should be illegal to murder children in a video game. Sick fucks like that are worse than sex offenders. I;m in Anonymous so I fight for childrens rights so I support any and all bans on any content that mistreats any child in any form and will shutdown any website or mod that would allow it.
>>317767217
Well, I don't like how Bethesda makes NPCs essential in their games these days so I mod them so that it's like how it was in The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, where everyone and everything could die and if you did break a quest you were expected to either live with it or load to an earlier save. That's how it should be in video games, but developers like to coddle gamers these days because most of them cater to the mainstream audience, whom they have a condescending view of.
No argument is required. Just say "ew your creepy for wanting this" and you're set. Great.
>>317774634
>a muck
You got me, senpai. You got me good.
>>317767217
It's just a game, and sometimes, I want to go on a rampage killing everyone including the kids. Fuck it.
It's not like anyone here would go out and do it in real life just because it's in a video game.
I can't understand why you'd want to rear a child of your own, but I don't go around stripping away your fun because I deem it inappropriate.
>>317769117
>>317772342
>>317773840
How do these "people" remember to breathe?
SJW's argue with the same mentality of a high school bully. Just say it's "creepy" and you win.
>>317775113
Via welfare.
>Bethesda is too fucking lazy, inept, and shit to create a "realistic" Fallout wasteland where children can be killed and their deaths will have rippling repercussions that affect your game
>Kotaku sucks off Bethesda for brownie points
>Bethesda releases game with invincible children
>SJW faggots brainwashed by Kotaku ape man-woman thing heap praise upon Bethesda for being brave enough to keep children invincible and sticking to their guns
I want off this ride.
>>317774506
Heyy, heyyyy... whoa der buddy, we're goinh yo have to check out your alibi there doncha know, see what it's a boat. Now donchu worry none we Canadians der we Mounties we got a lot of know how about this crime solvin friend.
>>317772402
>How is it easier to accidentally kill someone in a turnbased game compared to one where they can literally run in front of your sights as you're firing?
but they do do that in 1 and 2, the game even gives you a warning if you killed a child if you weren't the one who initiated combat
>>317774337
I want tofuckthatmummy
>>317769117
>None of the schools in Arizona are on it.
Feels good to be a dirty desert rat.
>>317768349
This nigga gets it.
>>317773142
>start a new game
>luck to 10
>comb the wasteland looking for easter eggs and stuff
>Supermutant encounter
>spawn with 3 supermutants around me and a 4th one at a distance with a minigun
>kills me and another mutant in one shot
well that was fun
>>317775378
It's not pedophilia if she's a thousand-year-old mummy.
>>317767217
>I admire modders’ skills and dedication but this takes it too far.
>checking the "essential" flag off is "skills and dedication"
fucking retard
>>317769117
>my college isn't on the list
Thank Christ.
Also if they want equality they need to stop acting like niggers and more like black people.
>be attacking caesar's camp in New Vegas
>see someone sleeping
>shoot him in the head
>nothing happens
>it's an immortal godchild
If kids were killable I might have felt regret or something, but nah.
>>317775538
Children don't have an essential flag, they just even have hitboxes
>>317767217
Let's say you have kids in your town. Now let's say that Raiders attack and get blown up by your defenses. But, in the crossfire, a kid is killed.
How about if you're in a huge fight with dozens of enemies close to a set of friendly npcs, one of which is a kid. You COULD use your Fat Man to end the fight in one or two shots, but the kid would be caught in the crossfire.
I like having consequences for fucking up or making a hard decision. It's something that, while small, could give you a great deal in building a personality for your character. Would they be willing to kill a child to save themself or others? How would they feel if they were responsible for their death?
>>317769117
>no knox college
I am almost dumbfounded by this. Knox is like the most liberal tumblrista school in all of central illinois
>>317772402
Just so you know to stop pretending you've played FO1 and 2, Ian and Cassidy are completely notorious for gunning down anything in front of them with their SMG and shotguns respectively, and you can do the same. In fact, burst firing at an enemy and EXPECTING to catch other enemies behind them with the spray is a common tactic.
Shooting at a raider with your auto shotguns and gutting anything behind them is a pretty common occurrence and you learn not to use those weapons when there are NPCs around you don't want to kill or you don't want to turn guards/civs hostile.
Not to mention the things that can happen with explosives.
Like, this is a an actual thing in the first Fallout games anyone who played them would know, so you can just stop with making up background for your opinion, it's fine to have it without trying to justify it with lies, you can argue it without the bullshit.
>>317769117
My school's on there
>VIII we demand the formation of a Minority Scholarship Fund. If something like this already exists, we demand the money for this fund to be increased by fall 2016
Literally too lazy to check if they're "oppressed" or not. DEMAND MORE MONEY ANYWAY. Thanks for the laugh.
I would be fine with immortal kids if they weren't smug shitlords that make you re-enact DUSTY OLD BONES over and over and over again and you can't do a god damned thing about it, even if you're the harbinger of death itself who would never give a shit about sparing a shithead child who insulted them and then were smug knowing "they were untouchable".
Any developers that do this deserve to have mods made of being able to slaughter those kids and have webms mailed to them. If you can't slap the shit out of the kid and make them apologize, or scare them, or even talk them down (ayyy lmao), then either let them be killed, or don't even fucking bother implementing them in the first place.
>>317769775
Oddly enough there's been a whole lot of 'who the hell cares' in regard to the issue of the game not coming over to the west, officially.
>>317767217
>OK,
Stopped reading here.
>>317767217
And they wonder why they get blacklisted.
