Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vagas?
>>317708925
What is this? A picture for small giant ants?
>>317708925
>asking /v/ this
NV my man.
>>317708925
NV
fo3 a shit
>>317708925
Vegas. 3 showed what the engine was capable of and New Vegas did it.
http://strawpoll.me/4370703
>>317708925
Fallout 2
>>317709207
>3 showed what the engine was capable of
:^)
>>317708925
Exploration NV DLC > 3 > NV
Writing NV DLC > NV > 3
>>317708925
fo3 for cinematic story vag for gameplay
I actually liked both, but in the end I prefer NV
The level scaling in FO3 was almost Oblivion-tier silly
>>317709207
>what the engine was capable of
I know what you mean but if you word it like that, only bad things come to mind, Anon.
Oh boy this thread again
Fo3 for exploration
NV for story
>>317709117
i how the fuck they can be worse than FO3 is beyond me
>>317709521
But NV has superior exploration.
>>317709315
I worded that poorly as hell didn't I. I meant more that FO3 was the prototype but New Vegas used it to the full. Bethesda should have known how to make the game solid because it's their engine, but they just don't seem to give much of a shit about the game beyond "it's playable." There's no fanboys working for them, there's no personal touch, there's just cold corporatism which comes across in their games. "Here it is, functional and to base specs, let the fans mod it to their standard" is their credo.
there is not a single aspect of Fallout 3 that Fallout NV didn't do 3 times better
since this thread is here, does anybody have any idea how to get Dr. Li out of taft tunnel in FO3?
im playing on PS3 and i've done everything i could to try and get her to initiate dialog so i can kill that nigger and save 5 stimpaks, but she just walks in a circle
>>317709553
You forgot sarcasticNV Masterrace
>>317709553
>HATE KHANS
>>317708925
who cares, they are both trash compared to FO4. Just play FO4
>>317708925
what is this an image for ants
![1349077197391[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RSSYamK.jpg "1349077197391[1].jpg")
>ITT: Opinion, or opinion?
They're both good OP, but for different reasons. I prefer NV, but i cant deny that i've had tons of fun in 3 and 4 as well. They're just games, they're meant to bee played for fun.
>>317708925
why not both?
>>317709954
because this is /v/, you're not allowed to like two things at the same time
>>317710085
And here lies the problem.
>>317709954
Are you new here? You're not allowed to like both, you must pick a side and call the other title shit.
>>317709751
WHAT KHAN?
>>317709895
>>317709954
this is not why /v/ works
you either like this or that
regardless of what you pick, we will shit on you unless you agree with us
>>317710161
What if he's old guard and wants to be the contrarian that denies both sides in favour of being an asshole to both?
JET IS NOT PRE-WAR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>317710250
>>317710279
This is ALWAYS the fucking problem with this board, no matter what you'll be wrong, there cant just be any real conversation.
>>317710365
DUDE
JET
LMAO
>>317710365
WHO CARES ENJOY THE GAME LOL NERD
is it true that NV has better mods then fallout 3?
>>317710196
>>317709751
WHAT KHAN?
>>317709117
To be fair those Speech checks in the NV quest are pretty stupid.
I basically just told Swank what Benny did to me but didn't present any evidence at all aside from a couple of cigarette butts, and he immediately believed me and did everything in his power to help me carry out the assassination.
>>317710395
>there cant just be any real conversation.
I've had more actual discussion on /v/ in the last 6 months than on /tg/ in the last year. You just need to pick your threads and spot which ones are obvious bullshit. Also time of day seems to factor in, there really is a couple of points where the board goes full retard for an few hours, which seem to be around the times that schools empty out in various major countries.
>>317710562
Yeah speech removes challenge from most of the game, just dump all points into speech from the start and GG you can now complete 80% of every quest.
>>317709117
What the fuck, you could distract him?
>>317710395
>That
>The problem
If somebody is always disagreeing with you, that means either you're getting a wide range of opinions or someone is trying to troll you, which is ignorable.
I'd rather have some people disagreeing with me than have EVERYONE jerking off my opinion, because that's the kind of thing that turns people into pompous jerks. Don't do hugboxes, friendo.
>>317710747
Yeah you can convince Swank that benny is up to no good and that he would be a better leader
>>317710537
>SUPPORT KHANS
>>317710562
I won't pretend NV is God's gift to gaming. But between F3 and NV, NV is the step in my direction.
I want choice in my RPG. It doesn't take much to satisfy this criteria by my standards which is why its all the more infuriating that so few games do it anymore. For me, defining my character's niche in the world is the R in RPG and choice affords that.
>>317710747
He just sends him up to his room so you won't have to deal with guards
i choose spurs that jingle jangle jingle
>>317709241
This says it all.
This is now a New Vegas thread. So I just started nodding for the first time and I got a question.
Can I have multiple companion mods running at once and do them at my leisure like the vanilla game?
>>317711254
only turbodicklickingniggerfaggothomosexualweeabooidioticstupidgaypricknerds use humanoid companions
go with Rex, ED-E, or lone wolf
>>317710395
>This is ALWAYS the fucking problem with America, no matter what you'll be wrong, there cant just be any real conversation.
>>317709553
>Yes
>No
>Fallout 4
>>317711757
you know, I think I get now why they went with the wheel
>thinly veiled FO NV cocksucking thread
DESU, they both have strong points and weak. But still, FO3 is the superior game for having better atmosphere and the fallout setting. You kids conveniently forget how good a non isometric FO game was.
>tfw after playing FO1 and FO2 you realize that you probably like FO3 more
FO1 doesn't have that much to it, it's a fun little self-contained CRPG. FO2 had a lot more cool depth, but I think the problem with that is that I just can't stand CRPG combat. I hate missing at 95%, I can't get past it.
Also people like to point out how retarded everyone is in Fallout 3, but let's not give the Enclave in FO2 too much credit, here.
>Random guy nobody has ever seen before just waltzes into the unguarded secret entrance of the Enclave's field camp
>People point him in the direction of the super powerful armor without asking for his papers or anything
>Random guy in power armor now starts running around the base asking people where dem vertibird plans @, nobody considers this is fucking strange
>Later on, power armored retard just drives an oil tanker into their secret main base
>Nobody comes to investigate this, nobody notices, they don't have guards watching the perimeter radar just in case or anything
>power armored retard just starts running around the place, nobody bothers him as he starts talking to one of the prisoners about breaking them out, running into the main reactor room and fiddling with stuff he shouldn't be fiddling with, or running into the president's office
>Speaking of the president, it's possible to have a long chat with him where you tell him you're a mutant tribal with an interest in killing him and the entire enclave and as long as you just walk away and don't initiate combat, he won't sound the alarm
But yeah. Aside from the Enclave FO1+2 were genuinely much better written than FO3, but I just can't get behind CRPG combat. To be honest the combat basically doesn't even matter, it's just a bunch of dicerolls with your stats taken into account.
New Vegas obviously
>>317710125
and here lies the redditor
>>317711885
>muh atmosphere
>>317711885
>But still, FO3 is the superior game for having better atmosphere and the fallout setting. You kids conveniently forget how good a non isometric FO game was.
>>317712065
>Random guy nobody has ever seen before just waltzes into the unguarded secret entrance of the Enclave's field camp
To be fair, that secret entrance was supposed to be given only to new recruits who passed the test from the greeter. So if you saw someone walking down there you'd assume they were a new recruit for 'Murrica.
>>317708925
>playing oblivion with guns instead of skyrim with guns
I sure hope you guys don't do this.
>>317712292
>new recruits who passed the test from the greeter
What? WHAT? Enclave doesn't take in outsiders because they're MUTIES. IIRC the entrance was for... uh... supplies?
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winterPatrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Started playing New Vegas at the start of this month, and after three weeks of off and on sessions, i have to say it's leagues above 3 in almost every regard.
Pic related took me, according to steam, 146 hours.And yes, i told Yes Man to throw Oliver off the dam
>>317712417
What does patrolling what make you wish for?
>>317709367
but the story in 3 was terrible
>>317712292
The greeter armed with basically nothing? It'd be one thing if they had like one guard with power armor stationed down by the end of the tunnel to ask "hey what's the password/where are your papers" but there's nobody there, they just assume if you came down there that you've gotta be cool because it's not like we think all muties on the surface are violent, insane savages or anything.
>>317712417
>>317712487
Hayeyy, thar's the high roller.
>>317710870
i agree 100% anon ;^)
>>317711757
Those are all yes
>>317712417
WELCOME SIR OR MADAM!
>>317709659
>animations (running, juping, stabbing with a knife)
>the world - F3 has the the wastelands and the Metro system. FV only has a shitty desert
>graphics (yes graphics despite simpler on F3 don't hurt your eyes). The shitty Mojave background on FV looks like PS2 tier
>in F3 you feel like you're trying to survive, in FV you feel like you're playing talk simulator, there's no sense of post apocalyptic theme in NV
>memorable areas
>memorabe characters
NV only has a fan base because of the mods, nothing else. the RP vale is even that great.
>>317712417
Ave, true to Caesar.
3. NV always felt very small to me.
>>317712729
But there's so much more to do in NV, is the thing.
FO3 is a big place filled with hollow people 90% of whom won't tell you much of anything or give you insight into what their place in the world is. NV is a more tightly knit place, but there are a lot more people who are actually kind of important to you, the player, you know?
>>317712867
I wonder why NV has a bigger modding scene in the first place.
>>317709241
Sometimes, yall actually have some good taste.
Hail Caesar.
>>317712065
I just started playing the fallout games when 4 launched and I'm on 3 now, but I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that was weird as fuck.
>>317713098
Because it's more recent ?
3
Better story
atmosphere
Writing
Quality control
And before fallout 4 was the best game Bethesda put out .
>>317712894
Degenerates like you belong on a crossNeutral Relation
>>317712867
I just started playing FO3 and have to play in first person because of how stiff the animations look, are you saying they get WORSE in NV? Jesus Christ.
>>317713342
well well well
>>317709553
Fallout 4 is similar to NV in that there are three main factions battling it out, and you decide which on comes on top.
The difference is that New Vegas made you interact with several really shitty and boring minor factions to progress the story. There should have been option to tell yes man to kill every one of those faggots with an army of securitrons. Most of the factions just seem like FO1 fanservice.
>>317708925
Fallout New Vagas
>>317713630
the minor factions were interesting and all played a hand at hoover dam and the ending slides
>>317712867
Ahh, finally a sensible opinion. GJ anon, you can judge video games from a good viewpoint and have good tatse. However be prepared to hit by an array of NV fangays who can accept no criticisms of their precious game. You know one thing that NV truly did better than FO3 ? It was adding meme lines and meme characters to get the players hooked, as is evident by the fact that people are spouting those very same meme lines in this very thread.
>>317713630
>Shitty and boring
Thats totally like, your opinion man. The factions in NV are diverese and quite interesting. Also, you dont have to interact with them. Theres a big "optional" sign beside those quest points. You can do exactly what your second last sentence says.
For the life of me I can not get into New Vegas. I don't know what it is, but I lose interest within an hour of playing.
>>317714150
well at least you tried to play it
>>317708925
New Vagas
>>317714150
Yeah, the start is just kinda shit, no shame in giving up anon, it is one of the games biggest weaknesses.
>>317714150
Its the bland starting area and being shoehorned into the same route for the first 2-5 hours of gameplay, depending on how quick you progress. It opens up pretty soon after Nipton.
>>317710747
You can get him to distract him, or convince him further that Benny isn't a good leader and he'll send Benny by himself to the suite for you to kill
Tale of Two Wastelands. Why chose?
>>317712728
HEARD SOME MORE PEOPLE GOT ATTACKED LAST NIGHT
>>317712867
>>animations (running, juping, stabbing with a knife)
Shit in both.
>>the world - F3 has the the wastelands and the Metro system. FV only has a shitty desert
We pretend a world is worth more than the people in it and the stories that come from the different ways you can interact with them.
>>graphics (yes graphics despite simpler on F3 don't hurt your eyes). The shitty Mojave background on FV looks like PS2 tier
Graygreen tint vs sepia tint - somehow picking which shit to swallow instead of just dismissing both games as being ass ugly and thanking Bethesda for their based Gamebro engine.
>>in F3 you feel like you're trying to survive, in FV you feel like you're playing talk simulator, there's no sense of post apocalyptic theme in NV
We just doing the dishonest thing and pretending F3 has anything that competes with Vault 34.
>>memorable areas
top kek
>>memorabe character
Moira right? Yeah I remember her.
>>317712867
I thought the fact that NV didn't really feel as much like a lifeless wasteland was cool, actually. We've been though 3-4 if you count tactics games of mad max wasteland stuff where we watch factions grow stronger and more organized, but without anything really changing- NV it finally feels like life is becoming something resembling a wild west civilization, hence the heavy western influences.
Chris Avellone actually shared your dislike and wanted to set back everything to FO1 civilization, that's why they give you the option to nuke everything at the end of Lonesome Road, lel
IMO they should only have a second nuclear holocaust if there's a second war that escalates to obscene proportions, say the NCR fighting the east coast brotherhood.
>>317713098
Because it needed improvements ?
For one the game used to crash a lot whn it was released.
>>317712541
The execution of the main story was truly shit, but it was still more credible and believable than NV's.
I dont know why people praise NV's story like its supposed to be good or something.
Fo3
>Guy born in an actually functioning vault
>Ambitious father taking on truly big projects
>A self appointed government who wants to rebuild america
Fo NV
>random courier who is later staged as an important person
>A corrupt government
>A 200 year old man with a literally dumb robot army (I dont know how anyone could'nt have defeated his retarded army)
>A man so insane and amoral, he considers slavery and a return to 2000 year old ways as the natural progression of events
Fo NV creates a nice illusion of choice, having to 'choose' between 4 factions when the options available are really shit, and the only decent one is NCR.
Fo3 was amazing it its conflict, a self appointed government post apocalypse wanting to rebuild America of the old while killing mutated living things (Really plausible) vs a small, self serving rag tag brotherhood who has no plans for america as a whole but just want to fullfill selfish intentions. It was a real difficult and conflicting decision to release the FEV virus or not. The story of Fo3 is really great, the execution ruined it. But we have to cut bethesda some slack, since it was the first non isometric Fo, things were bound to be bad.
I like them pretty evenly with the edge to New Vegas.
>hardcore mode
>somewhat better combat
>weapons mods and ammos
The story never really grabbed me though. But meh, I only play for the freedom and sidequest shit anyway.
>>317708925
Fallout 3 every day.
>>317709521
FO3 has better "set pieces", however, NV's setting makes logically sense.
>he's still reposting this shit
>>317709117
Im playong through new vagas now as a girl, never know you could seduce benny and kill him in his sleep, makes playing a "Assassin" run much easier
>>317712867
Yeah, it's been over 200 years civilization is starting to rebuild itself, unlike east coast which just sits around in it's own filth.
>>317714870
>(I dont know how anyone could'nt have defeated his retarded army)
Probably has to do with the fuckhuge guns on them. You see what happens when a normal person even tries to get into the strip.
>>317714870
>Fo3 was amazing it its conflict, a self appointed government post apocalypse wanting to rebuild America
you don't even know the history of the Enclave, lol
also you can't side with them in vanilla FO3, so much for RP
which game would you tolerate another playthough right now?
>>317708925
3 desu but everyone else likes NV
>>317712867
New Vegas is way too colorful and doesn't have good palette balance.
The graphics are indeed shit and cartoony, you go to the strip and look at the casinos and they look like something that came out of Cartoon Network.
Fallout 3, had a good balance on colors.
>>317714531
>this level of bait
>Vault 34
> " Overpopulation " problem
This was just BEYOND RETARDED. I mean holy shit, how can devs think "overpopulation " is a legit problem in vaults ? People Arent fucking insects to make a vault overpopulated. Jesus fucking christ.
>memorable areas top kek
Fo3 had wayyyyy more memorable areas that Ctrl C + Ctrl V FO NV
>memorable characters
Both are equal on this point
>>317714970
>The metros
>cool
Really man? I mean they were better than 1000 copy-pasted "x's shack" (New Vegas) but come on.
>join Kisers legion
>nothing comes of it
>>317715272
Yeah man, gray is way better than orange.
It's way too easy to max skills in both of them
>>317714870
That's literally a bad mix of 1 and 2 without any subtility,how can it be great?
Evil superpower vs rag tag group of Good Knights, Fallout 3 setting was dogshit.
>>317715320
>People Arent fucking insects to make a vault overpopulated
This statements makes no sense. Are you suggesting its impossible for a location with finite space to become over populated?
>>317708925
RP and branching paths are superior in NV. Everything else is better in 3. 3 is still one of the best games released in the last 15 years.
>>317715359
And you can mod the marmalade filter out, you can't mod out tunnel after tunnel.
>>317713380
Yes they are worse, the strafing is exactly the same but the jumping animation feels like the chracter is extending their leg forward without lifting off from he ground.
The knife (at least I tried with a switchblade) looks like something that came out of a PS1 game.
>>317715452
I'm interested in your top 10 from the last 15 years, if you don't mind
>>317715106
I told you, the exection WAS shit. The premise was absolutely excellent because it was a true conflict.
>>317715084
Robots are not capable of adapting to tactics. Its not hard to understand, there were no generals, no real time strategists in the robot army. They were merely metallic weapons(and not really good at that too), and could have been absolutely destroyed by either faction. Mr house cant contribute shit to the battle.
>>317713779
>SARCASTIC
>SARCASTIC
>RUDE SARCASTIC
>SARCASTIC?
>>317712065
they do recognize that you are an infiltrator, what are you talking about?
you have to go trough specific dialog options to remain undetected, and no, you cant just wander around anywhere
yes, you can run around in 'safe' areas like a retard and none will care, sadly hats just how the game works
sadly FO2 is has a very limiting engine, its not a very dynamic game, but its made to run on 90mh and 16Mb ram
>I hate missing at 95%, I can't get past it
also what the fuck? you barely miss at 95%
if you have at least average perception and skill around 120% you will miss so rarely, unless you want to snipe eyes from a distance
i understand that you dont like the combat, its a very simple turn base point and click, they have greatly improved upon it in FO Tactics
>>317713630
>There should have been option to tell yes man to kill every one of those faggots with an army of securitrons.
You can tell him you don't give a shit about any of the factions.
Play the game before talking about it.
>>317715591
>because it was a true conflict
It was a pretty generic "good vs. evil" conflict, how is it good?
>Robots are not capable of adapting to tactics.
Except in Fallout setting AIs are pretty capable.
>>317715591
House was the deciding factor in the battle for Hoover Dam and if you take either his ending or the Lone Ranger, you completely decimate both sides.
>Play New Vegas
>Legion is cool as fuck
>Never get to join them, always just some shitty associate who works for Ceaser.
>Play Fallout 4
>Get to run my own god damn faction.
Fuck you Ceaser I just want to be a member of the legion
>>317713630
sarcastic
thank god the player-faction interactions are so fleshed out in FO4, right?
/sarcastic
>>317715424
>evil superpower
Wanting to rebuild america without mutants, ghouls and other mutated living things is evil? Wanting people to feel safe is evil? Actually progressing the human race is evil ?
>good knights
The brotherhood were only self serving. They hardly qualify as 'good'.
>>317715432
they live in a vault. The overseer could have insitituted a no child policy easily. As I said people aren't insects to reproduce on a level that would qualify as 'overpopulated' for a human vault.
>>317711757
No matter how you spin it the dialogue and its options in F4 are SHIT! SHIT SHIT!
>>317715949
>It's simple just tell people to stop having sex. Problem solved!
You're an idiot
>>317715872
Oh really? you 'ran' your own faction? seems like you were a bitch boy for Preston while he calls you general although you do the bitch work
>>317715872
>always just some shitty associate
"Shitty"? You get your face on the coin. Think about it that way - Legion members are all slaves to Caesar, but you're his trusted man.
>>317715272
Gray has a gritty feel to it and was actually enojyable, especially at night.
F3 has scary areas and some actual creepy side quests, whereas NV has kek areas.
NV is a sitcom game overall.
>INB4 White glove.
>>317715513
Basically, you need to mod to actually enjoy it, got it.
Do you also consider Oblivion a good game because you can mod it to become not shitty ?
>>317708925
Both.TTW my nigga.
only plebs rank and seperate games.
>>317715591
>it was a true conflict.
I love how conflicting the choice is between the wasteland's very own white knights and the militant fascists who's president wants to put something in the water that will kill me.
Such a moral conundrum.
>>317709207
They couldn't even fit all of the strip into one cell, nigger.
>>317716113
technically it's still NV
>>317715359
Gray has a gritty feel to it and was actually enojyable, especially at night.
F3 has scary areas and some actual creepy side quests, whereas NV has kek areas.
NV is a sitcom game overall.
>INB4 White glove.
Yes gray is better than orange.
>>317716113
Ma nigah
>>317716065
>A bloo bloo bloo how can you be the leader if you still have to do quests!?
>>317716082
You are never given a rank in the legion. You are at best a well paid mercenary for the whole of the legion story line
how's this even a question?, of course new vegas.
>>317715712
>It was a pretty generic "good vs. evil" conflict, how is it good?
Have you actually played the game ? Can you comprehend English ? I literally mentioned in the earlier posts why enclave weren't the bad guys and you dismiss it as a good vs bad fight.
>AI's are capable
>Int check of 80
> utter random Number/ letters
>robot lets you through
>repconn HQ
>luck 7
>Correctly guess password
Robots were fucking retarded, not to mention weak. Their design was dogshit, unicycling robots, It wasnt like house's robots were the fucking skynet T 1000s.
>>317716185
Yeah, like Dunwich building, which is just an area with Lovecraftian atmosphere for no fucking reason.
Meanwhile, FNV has war, slavery, refugees being shat on, war crimes, booby-trapped corpses, rape, psychological warfare... so funny.
>>317716337
>You are never given a rank in the legion.
As I said, having a rank = being slave to Caesar's will. You are somebody he actually trusts, instead.
>>317716037
Are you retarded ? Like really retarded ? Do you know there was a one child policy in china for years now to curb overpopulation and was very effective ? Humans dont shit out babies in a few weeks to fucking overpopulate the vault you retard.
>>317716185
>whereas NV has kek areas.
Nigger then what do you call lamplight, republic of dave, or that vampire quest? FO3 was wacky as fuck. It did some spooky shit well, like all the Lovecraftian shit in PL, but it's a theme park game with silly shit everywhere and the tone is all over the place.
>>317716167
Only the superior mechanics which fits perfectly in the capital wasteland. Hardcore mode doesn't suffer, a mutant filled DC is a formidable and scary thing (it's almost too hard considering how early you visit, skilled players will be tested)
TTW made my FO3 replay very enjoyable.
>>317716086
>Basically, you need to mod to actually enjoy it, got it.
No, you just need a filter to not make it look like someone has purposely fucked with your colour and display settings.
>Do you also consider Oblivion a good game because you can mod it to become not shitty?
No Oblivion is shit, it's only the mods that salvage it.
>>317716530
Chinese =/= americans. Shit wouldn't fly for people of western descent
>>317716534
Just a reminder than Fallout games have always been silly, even before Bethesda. Not necessarily a bad thing. Kinda pointless to argue about which game is sillier.
>>317716368
>Have you actually played the game
No, I watched the major plot elements on youtube. I tried but hated it after the "wow it's Fallout but in 3D" excitement passed.
>>317716639
Don't be stupid, it's only bad when Bethesda does it
>>317716627
Exactly. Americans know when to reproduce and when to limit children, they are fucking smarter than the chinese. The stupid premise of vault 34 would have never happened.
>>317716627
I'm pretty sure in Vault 13 in the first game there is someone you can talk to about the births they do. Only every few years do they allow children to be born.
>>317716760
Most people will agree FO2 went too fucking far.
>>317716639
>>317716760
Exactly. People forget just how retarded Fo2 story was, while shitting on FO3.
The only decent main quest which is believable is Fo1's.
>>317716530
>>317716037
They have population control regulated by the overseer in vaults. You can see it in FO4's vault 81, they talk about it. Little boy wants to have a brother or something but because of the strain on resources from maintaining their 200 year old vault they cannot.
>fallout 3's wacky humor is The Republic of Dave
>New Vegas's wacky humor is Fantastic
I think we have a winner boys
>>317714870
>It was a real difficult and conflicting decision to release the FEV virus or not.
>>317708925
>>317714870
>A man so insane and amoral, he considers slavery and a return to 2000 year old ways as the natural progression of events
>I can't follow a basic overarching narrative theme
How did all that old world/letting go shit just zip right over your head
>>317714870
>It was a real difficult and conflicting decision to release the FEV virus or not.
Yeah. Should I kill literally every person living their daily lives in the Wasteland for the sake of a bunch of shut-ins who had PAs and ventilated bunkers? Or maybe not?Idiot.
>BUT DA CHOCE DNT EBEN MATTERED
has there ever been a single game where the choices actually mattered?
>>317717082
What are you implying you fucking mongoloid ?
>>317716963
Ofcourse. Also, people in vaults are pretty elite and of sound mental discernment, they know all about population control.
>>317716534
Yea and NV had a main faction which was considered scary inspite of having weapons and armor which was used 2000 years ago.
Also, reminder that a fucking super sledge on max skill can inflict more damage than a fucking mininuke. So much for reality in video game right ?
At least bethesda is self aware
>>317709117
I've played through this game four times and never killed Benny at the casino.
>>317717429
Any Telltales Game.
>>317717408
>every person
Are you a fucking mongoloid who cannot comprehend basic english and cant understand that the FEV only killed mutated beings ? Fucking retards.
>>317717448
>having weapons and armor which was used 2000 years ago.
I hate to break it to you, son, but the actual Roman Legion didn't have fully automatic weapons and compact chainsaws
>>317716601
> mutant filled DC is a formidable and scary thing (it's almost too hard considering how early you visit, skilled players will be tested)
that's because the mod changes values like damage and health iirc, else it's too easy
>>317717359
>shifting goalposts
>>317717676
Enclave strain of FEV kills every non-pure human, which means literally everybody who lived in the wasteland for prolonged amount of time. This is why they grab the vault dwellers from Vault 13 - they need "pure" humans for testing.
>>317717747
>fully automatic weapons
Neither does most of the legion to be honest.
>>317717815
>being retarded
>>317717795
It's because FO3 mutants were piss easy to kill but NV mutants are much stronger, the values carried over, it wasn't something they specifically intended in the mod, just an arguably nice side effect
>>317717873
Fo3 says none of that. I know it isnt canon, but based on Fo3, enclave were decent guys.
>>317717926
>deliberate trolling
>>317717747
You know what i'm saying, dont act like a retard.
>>317717917
Legion hit squads have some pretty impressive fire power. Point is, they're taking an old world ideology but they're applying it to modern times. Even if they're retarded and use football pad armor.
>>317717448
That you're a faggot with shitty bait.
>>317717676
>>317717873
Actually, apparently I am wrong - Enclave strain of FEV kills literally every human and mutant. This is canon for both 2 and 3. In 2 Enclave planned to sit it out on the Oil Rig.
>>317718190
>Fo3 says none of that.
Yeeeeah:
>In the add-on Broken Steel, if the Lone Wanderer chose to contaminate the Purifier with the modified FEV, the medical facility of nearly every major settlement in the Capital Wasteland (except Tenpenny Tower and Paradise Falls) has at least two or three newly arrived sick patients lying on the beds, dying from modified FEV infection.
>The patients hold their stomachs and moan that "it burns on the inside." Doctor Preston from Rivet City states that he is fairly certain that 'the condition' is not contagious to his knowledge. However, he does state that Rivet City is burning the corpses of the infected dead just to be safe, out of fearful precaution that drinking the water might indeed transmit or otherwise result in a contagious plague of some kind developing as a result.[3]
>>317717198
i wish i were better with English, so that i could use it form coherent opinions like this
>>317716159
consoles
what's more irritating is how they divided it up, the layout is dumb and for some reason theres a wall of scrap iron going through freeside
>>317718190
>dont act like a retard
But it's so easy when you are, too. I have no idea how bringing up one of the main themes of the game that's not so subtly shoved down your throat constitutes as moving the goalpost unless you're a shit troll or a mental deficient.
>>317717575
Did you actually play those? The choices always seem like they matter but filter down to not changing anything towards the end. Same as every other game.
This thread is terrible. Post best characters.
>>317718428
It still holds valid, in order to rebuild America some of the people have to be purged. A bigger moral quandary at hand.
>>317718428
>Actually, apparently I am wrong - Enclave strain of FEV kills literally every human and mutant. This is canon for both 2 and 3. In 2 Enclave planned to sit it out on the Oil Rig.
Wait, no, I am wrong again. So here's how it goes: in 2, the strain kills everything human or ex-human. Just wipes them out. In 3, the new strain only spares "pure" humans (so, Vault-dwellers, Enclave personnel).
>>317718753
>some of the people
Literally everybody but people who either lived in Vaults or had PAs on 24/7. It's just plain evil, no moral ambiguity about that.
>>317718286
>old world ideology but they're applying it to modern times
Which doesn't work. The old world became the new world because times march on. Just because things have been turned to rubble doesn't mean you can just flip the calendar back 2000 years and the belief that you can just marks Caesar as some delusional asshole.
>>317717429
Since devs are incompetent at creating a narrative that actually branches in unique directions based off of your choices no not really. It doesn't help that people used to be pleased with different endings based on different actions performed in gameplay but anymore if you don't allow someone to directly interact with the effects of their choices, gamers get their panties all knotted up.
Reminder that Fallout 3 is a bunch of "wouldn't it be funny if..." locations and characters. You can have Itchy and Scratchy Town, Jackassville and Superjail City
>>317718656
No you're pretending to have a valid and logical criticism for the game, when you clearly are trying to troll here by saying retarded shit.
>>317718705
>Did you actually play those?
That was the joke, yeah. Multiple paths, one destination.
>>317718873
>just because things have been turned to rubble doesn't mean you can just flip the calendar back 2000 years
Good thing that's not what Caesar actually wants.
>>317718753
I don't think you understand that the modified FEV will kill a comically large percentage of the population.
Like, there will be almost no one left. And don't forget there is still radiation all over in the wasteland, so there will eventually be no one left at all.
>>317718857
A normal, rebuilt america like the one we are living in now
VS
A perpetual nation at war with itself.
Its actually hard, to be honest, there are truly a lot of factions and squabbling tribes who will never amount to anything, they are simply existing in the wasteland. The bigger picture is also incredibly sweet.
>>317718873
>pointing out the obvious
That's the primary flaw of both NCR and Legion (and arguably, House). The game constantly beats you over the head with the fact that progress has to be made in a forward direction instead of looking back into the past that caused a global catastrophe.
Legion was executed really poorly in-game, but the logic behind turning to a large unified empire that rolls over any potential threats and assimilates any potential allies is sound given the setting.
Shame they have like four interesting quests and we only see the front lines of their society though.
>>317715118
NV
There's only one way to play Fallout 3. Your character can do anything it wants with maybe 2 "choices" that both have good shit at the end of them.
>>317718996
It's not what he wants, but it's how he behaves and believes the world acts.
"a hur dur dur dur I am born of the war god, lets create an empire"
Real cool, what happens when you die? Because you will. Then what? You better hope your second in command is jsut as good at charisma and command as yo- legate Lanius? Oh shit, he'll just run dick first into the guns of the enemy because he actually believes that always works.
The entire system hinges on one man, one man with a brain tumour the size of my fist, that is causing massive mood and personality issues with him.
>>317719289
i'm comin in hard senpai
>>317714970
>Bethesdshits use deus ex machina, conjecture, or admitting that the writing was bad as reasoning to say that the writing was good
>Obsidibros admit that Lonesome Road and the beginning are poor segments of the game for using deus ex machina and forcing your character to have delivered a package somewhere
Sounds about right
>>317718936
I'm defending the game you dipshit. If you're gonna troll try to keep up at least.
>>317719285
>>pointing out the obvious
Which you have to do with legion fanboys because they can't accept the fact their edgelord faction are two dimensional Saturday morning cartoon villains because they weren't developed. It's a criminal shame, but that's how it is. They're token bad dudes who act in token petty ways with no reason beyond "hurrr" because they didn't get fleshed out properly .
>>317719530
>boone
Its shit re rollin
>>317718428
Tell me where Eden's modified FEV is stated to be the FEV-Curling virus that was being used in Fallout 2. Go ahead. I'll wait.It isn't. FEV-Curling was made to kill everything except plants and animals. Eden's FEV is designed to kill anything mutated by radiation.
>>317711868
I never understood the issue with the wheel people have because it's not the issue at all. Anything you say leads to the exact same outcome. Most games at least have the illusion of choice, fallout 4 does not. You're choices are, not talk to anyone or talk to someone and follow an on rail storyline.
>>317715118
rolling?
>>317719289
>bon vivant suite
how about a safe house that DOESN'T take 4 load screens to get to.
>>317720140
>i sure do love METRO STATIONS
DC is fun to mess around in on the surface but I had the game for like a year before I even bothered exploring it because navigating a bunch of identical tram stations is so fucking tedious.
>FO4
>get Courser Chip
>find Railroad
>Railroad acts like a bunch of paranoid fucks about someone finding the base they literally build at the end of a red line on the road
>"We get the chip if we do this"
>no way to speech check out of giving it to them
>figure it's important somehow, so check out other options
>literally DEMANDS the chip from you, and claims that not immediately sharing anything and everything you learn about the institute will make you enemies
>"Curie? Can you head back to town? I got this from here."
>Gun those motherfuckers down right then and there
>Chip turns out to be a paperweight once you have the data anyways
So I had two (2) options there: Be a simpering yesman for bunch of holier-than-thou fags living in a basement who want to treat you like a pussy, despite your single-handedly murdering the most powerful asset that could be brought to bear against them. OR, murder them all and get the data yourself.
Why are the factions in this game so universally unlikeable and, more importantly, Unavoidable?
>>317715118
wow nice rollan
>>317720140
It is kind of weird how the game touted the strip as some magnificent oasis when the rural bits of the map turned out to be much more interesting. Even the vegas slums were better.
>>317720608
That's how it is after the nuclear bombs drop. The strongest wins, there is no fair or nice. Nice is weakness.
>>317718286
They wore some power armor too. Notice his right arm
>>317719208
>A normal, rebuilt america like the one we are living in nowI live in Russia.Also no, killing 99% of Wasteland inhabitants won't lead to a "normal, rebuilt America" because there'd be almost nobody to rebuild it, it'd take centuries and centuries.
>there are truly a lot of factions and squabbling tribes who will never amount to anything, they are simply existing in the wasteland
I love how you went from "Enclave are good boys, they dindu nuffin" to "genocide is actually a really good thing". Like, honestly, I can't even tell if you are trolling or genuinely that... flexible in your beliefs. Probably I got baited, though.
>>317719443
When life gives you lots of ignorant tribals, a brutal army is easier to make than a functioning nation.
>>317719793
Read the thread further, I was wrong yes but Eden FEV does kill every non-pure Wastelander.
>>317720781
Oh yeah. The hype they tried to give "the strip" must have been when they were just making it as they wanted and didn't quite realize it would have to be disconnected by barriers.
There's four whole casinos, 3 of which you can actually gamble at, and then there's only Blackjack, Roulette and Slots. I don't even know how to play Poker or Baccarat or anything, but it would be nice to have the option.
>>317719560
Nah you should stoop baiting this hard. You're pretending to be retarded which is as bad as actually being retarded.
>>317719729
Exactly, thats my main problem with the NV storyline. The legion are made the designated bad guys, hated by everyone and only liked by purely edgy people. If they had some depth to the characters, the legion had potential bigger than the NCR which is exposed to be a corrupt government in decline. Legion's story could have been made so amazing, imagine a legion who have the adapted the ideals of rome into the century while shedding the Luddite behaviour and ultra zealotry. Its so cear that the lazy ass devs didnt even try to make them good, they just used legion as the hurr bad guys punching bag. Legion were also the most genuinely protective and caring people to the selected, they offered protection from thugs and bandits meanwhile fucking lieutenants of the NCR were getting raped by thugs hopped up on drugs.
>>317714418
Nice
>>317720938
Okay. FEV-Curling is made to kill ALL wastelanders. The Enclave conducted experiments on both Arroyo villagers and Vault 13 citizens. Arroyo subjects died within an hour, V13 subjects took 12 hours.
Compare to Eden's FEV, where the V13 subjects would be unaffected.
>>317720978
>Exactly, thats my main problem with the NV storyline. The legion are made the designated bad guys, hated by everyone and only liked by purely edgy people.
When asked what he would have liked to change if he had more time with New Vegas, Sawyer said something along the lines of...
>More Legion quests, more people to speak to about the Legion, they seemed much more misogynistic than I intended. Most of their stuff would have been on the east side of the map across the river.
It is a heavily NCR influenced game which I'm okay with. If you're dumb enough to train soldiers to fight with their fists while they're getting shot to death running at their enemies? You deserve to lose.
>>317715348
i would play that
>>317720978
If you're the retard who was arguing that FO3 presents a serious conflict then you're not even allowed to complain about Legion being the designated bad guys when FO3's enclave is cartoonishly evil and clearly presented as the bad guys by the game's narrative.
Legion actually slides in to a dark shade of grey morality the farther you progress in the game and learn more about the way they rule outside of the front lines. It's too bad they're underdeveloped as fuck when compared to the other three factions, though.
NCR is actually cast in a pretty negative light as well which is something that a lot of people who hold them up as THE good guys manage to somehow miss.
>>317720978
Fresh from Sawyer'stumblr.Legion was not supposed to be "gray".
>>317721261
>Compare to Eden's FEV, where the V13 subjects would be unaffected.
Yep. However, the amount of people as pure as V13 subjects would be really small compared to the amount of people living in the Wastes, actually fucking rebuilding and fighting for survival and not just sitting in bunkers and jerking off to their cool black powered armours.
>>317720608
It really pisses me off that you're forced to play nice with them if you ever want to unlock the ballistic weave.
>>317714418
All the chart is doing is attempting to obfuscate how retardedly simplistic FO NV really is.
>>317720938
>genocide
Genocide is a harsh word. Lets call it a cleansing.
You see, you can never comprehend and actually experience how great america is, you being a Russian and all, but let me tell you something, its pretty fucking great. Also, we have literally killed fuckloads of germans, gooks and chinks to get where we are right now, so I don't really see how that would be a moral problem for Americans.
>>317721269
>When asked what he would have liked to change if he had more time with New Vegas, Sawyer said something along the lines of
Here's the exact picture.
>If you're dumb enough to train soldiers to fight with their fists while they're getting shot to death running at their enemies?
Legion Recruits carry Caravan Shotguns, Cowboy Repeaters and .357 Magnums. They just carry their machetes also for a surprise attack.
>>317721576
>Genocide is a harsh word. Lets call it a cleansing.
>You see, you can never comprehend and actually experience how great america is, you being a Russian and all, but let me tell you something, its pretty fucking great. Also, we have literally killed fuckloads of germans, gooks and chinks to get where we are right now, so I don't really see how that would be a moral problem for Americans.
Ah, so you were trolling. Well, you've got me pretty good. Not a bad job!
>>317721732
>he seems to have listened to people and wants to fix the most common things we bitch about
>we'll never get another obsidian developed FO game again
>>317721576
>You see, you can never comprehend and actually experience how great america is, you being a Russian and all, but let me tell you something, its pretty fucking great. Also, we have literally killed fuckloads of germans, gooks and chinks to get where we are right now, so I don't really see how that would be a moral problem for Americans.
Get a load of this edgelord.
>>317721471
No, dont bring up Fo2 story in this, the game clearly deviates from that.
The first impressions you get of the enclave are through the radio, where Eden is giving patriotic speeches. They are portrayed as bad guys but they are certainly well developed and present a more complex moral dilemma than slaving Luddites fighting with fists and who crucify people for fun.
>>317721893
And now you will have to live with this knowledge too, Anon.
>>317711757
wait hold the fuck up all of those are just another way of saying yes
>>317722051
>they are certainly well developed and present a more complex moral dilemma than slaving Luddites fighting with fists and who crucify people for fun.
>>317722051
Too bad you aren't choosing between two factions in FNV, or your argument would almost make sense!
>>317721982
>>317721817
Not even trolling, its true. Say what you want about the legion but when that one faggot slaver says 'to slave them is to help them', you just cant help but think how it has a certain realism to it, seeing how ~90 percent people in the wasteland are simply existing and wasting their lives away.
>>317710490
LOL WHO CARES ABOUT CONSISTENCY IN CANON.
>Fallout 3
>ending choice doesn't matter
>Fallout NV
>ending choice doesn't matter
>Fallout 4
>Ending choice changes the world in various ways
One step forward one step back
>>317722474
At first it was funny, in a "look at this retard," kind of way, but now you're overselling it.
>>317722185
>>317722346
Yeah but the other options arent particularly interesting.
>hand control of vegas to a practically dead man who lives in an ivory tower
>or give control of vegas to a dipshit courier who knows nothing about it
>>317722759
>a dipshit courier
You could play as a smart and charismatic courier. And House has his fanboys, I'm sure they'll explain you how he's the greatest guy ever.
>>317711757
This a one time thing right? You can say no to the others npcs or deny quests, right?
There is no way this is real.
>>317722759
>house
>not the best practical choice
>yes man
>not the best narrative choice
NCR and Legion are actually arguably the worst because they're the two that steal their governments from failed pre-war society and are therefore on a path to repeating history.
>>317721525
No I'm looking for it now, I only read it a few days ago, I've read that thing you posted before. This was some small question/answer on a blog site it looked like. "What would you have done if you had more time to develop New Vegas?" kind of thing.
>>317722697
Really ? How, you retarded ruskie ? Just remember the 35 million or so Stalin killed to advance your pathetic country.
>>317722956
>DO WHAT I SAY BECAUSE I SAID SO
>best practical choice
>>317722509
It's just a game bro.
It's fiction bro.
It's magic bro.
Logic is irrelevant bro.
>>317709553
Forgot to add the outcome is the same regardless of what choice you make
>>317722949
>or deny quests
You can just walk away from the NPC during dialogues and never return!
>>317723010
Well, the one I posted (you mislinked, it's in the next post though) is pretty fresh so I guess you can consider it a "definitive list of things Sawyer would fix if he had time".
>>317723056
He's not the Russian guy, I am.
>guy answering SJWs questions about New Vegas
http://imgur.com/a/gmnX6#0
>>317722939
No you cant. If we are following real world dynamics, the only reason he became a courier in the first place was because he was good at nothing else. Such a person is completely unfit to handle a huge establishment like NV.
>>317722956
And here come the house fangays. Tell me again how great house is, when literally anyone could have killed him in his stupid cryochamber ? He installed no protection measures there. The man is a delusional retard.
>>317712441
>>317723369
>If we are following real world dynamics
Mmm-hmm.
>>317712147
here lies the tranny fucking fag
