>This year in gaming has had seen one of the most ridiculous trends in game development in recent memory: the conceit that there is a reason for nude or near-nude female characters in a game outside of the obvious one involving giving straight male players a boner. Studios that should know better keep trotting out pretentious narrative reasons in order to explain away any criticism about sexual objectification of women in the media.
>First there was Quiet from MGSV. The sniper’s skimpy outfit drew fire prior to the game’s release and director Kojima explaining that once we knew the reason for her being underdressed we would all be “ashamed.” When the reason ended up being that Quiet has to breathe through her skin the only shame I felt was for the MSG franchise.
>Next up we got Cortana in Halo 5. She’s an AI and she appears completely in the buff. Franchise director Frank O’Connor explained…She's not really nude … but that's what it makes you think of. So one of the reasons she [chooses to appear without clothes] is to attract and demand attention
>Which makes no sense at all. By O’Connor’s logic Cortana would be just as effective if she was a giant floating head.
>It’s important to remember that video game characters do not themselves make choices. Cortana does not actually choose to appear naked and Quiet doesn’t choose to breathe out of her cleavage. These choices are made for them.
>I like the female form as much as the next guy. However, there are two things I’d like to see games do better. The 1st is technical. If you’re going to strip Cortana quit trying to skirt the issue by blurring the sex characteristics. I’m starting to wonder if anyone at 343 Industries has ever actually seen a vulva.
>The 2nd thing; stop lying to the audience. We don’t see Cortana’s genitals because then the game would seem explicitly sexual. However, Cortana is already being displayed as explicitly sexual and there’s no point in trying to deny it with coyness.
Thoughts on this, lads?
You made this bait thread earlier today. Fuck off.
He's right. If you want sexy women in your game because you like sexy women just say so. Hiding behind stupid excuses just makes you look ridiculous.
Sounds about right. Do it because you want to, not because of a convoluted bullshit reason to justify your modelled bikini character.
>>317685434
>When the reason ended up being that Quiet has to breathe through her skin the only shame I felt was for the MSG franchise.
Who the fuck made this retard the arbiter of "smart reasons"?
>>317685582
>>317685591
Fuck off SJW scum
>>317685434
What the fuck is he on about? Cortana is wearing a bodysuit of armor now that she's got a physical form
>>317685652
rollin
>>317685434
>I like the female form as much as the next guy
The guy next to him is a gigantic homo then.
>>317685697
>Cortana wearing a suit
Since fucking when?
What the fuck?
>>317685652
REAL NIGGA SHIT
The naked - or 'nude' - body is generally considered artistic, used to express the beauty of both males and females.
See: Michelangelo's David, The Birth of Venus by Sandro Botticelli, literally any Greek art
If Video Games are now being considered an art form, ironically by these same people shitting on nudeness in games, then surely the ability to express the human body is artistic and should be expected in a game?
>>317685652
roll roll roll
>>317685764
In halo 5 she gets recovered by some forerunner technology, goes completely mental and turns into robot hitler and has a physical real world body
>>317685434
>The 2nd thing; stop lying to the audience. We don’t see Cortana’s genitals because then the game would seem explicitly sexual. However, Cortana is already being displayed as explicitly sexual and there’s no point in trying to deny it with coyness.
This nigga never heard of tasteful nudity
You can enjoy viewing a woman's naked body without going AFLURLFURLFUR VULVA
fucking idiot
>>317685652
awwww yeah nigga cosmic wizard
>>317685795
check your privilege
>2015
>You're a straight male
>Having a boner is litteraly considered your dick doing a Nazi salute
>>317685434
>These choices are made for them.
Wait, are they advocating for the freedom of virtual characters?
Aren't they also making the choice of wearing clothes for them too?
>>317685804
>has a physical real world body
Her and Master Chief are going to fuck, aren't they?
>>317685434
There may be no "smart reason", but I'm a guy who likes women and I'm not afraid to admit, that I like looking at naked or near-naked women.
And I can differentiate between objectifying a sexy female character in a video game and an actual real woman in real life. You know, just like I can differentiate between "it's fun to shoot a lot of dudes in a game, but it wouldn't be the best thing in real life".
>>317685850
Maybe if she wasn't a villain who wants to imprison him for 10,000 years while she takes over the universe
rolling senpai
>>317685651
but quiets nakedness is justified with the parasites and it fits into the rest of the story.
>>317685652
wizroll
>>317685652
Leggoooooo.
>>317685434
>don't like video game
>don't buy video game
That's all there is to it. If the audience that the game caters to doesn't like it enough the developers will know and change what they're doing or become bankrupt.
It's how this shit works.
>>317685434
>involving giving straight male players a boner.
Why is it always just straight males? What about lesbian? Do the people who write these articles not know that lesbians are just as perverted as straight males?
>>317685652
Rollin
>>317685434
Oh look a SJW apologist thread
>>317685652
rollin around at the speed of sound
>>317685652
the kay kay kay
But there are "smart reasons" for naked women in real life?
second senpai roll
>>317685652
ROLL
>>317685434
I'm rapidly losing the ability to care because I've realized that most of the censorship attributed to SJWs are actually just excuses for the localization crew to pretend that they have more work that they must do so they'll get a bigger pay check, and because most games are so shit these days that I barely play modern games anymore.
And yeah I agree about the lying thing. Just be honest for fuck's sake. We know that Cidney isn't dressed like a slut to represent some energetic character, she's dressed like a slut because you want to stick fap bait into the game.
>>317685434
Beta white knight
>>317685434
> the conceit that there is a reason for nude or near-nude female characters in a game outside of the obvious one involving giving straight male players a boner
What about lesbians? Bisexual male and female players? Fucking toxic homophobes, I swear.
>>317685896
Jizzard... what whattttttt?
>>317685434
People want to buy it.
Smart reason provided.
Text not read.
>>317685652
rolllll
quinn blows
>Americans getting triggered by flesh again.
This never gets old.
>>317685972
No one intentionally caters to those groups.
>>317686020
>what are Kickstarter/indie games
If it bothers them so much, why aren't they complaining about like, Rap music?
You ever seen those music videos? They're practically raping women on screen, but god forbid you should think about showing a little skin in a video game.
>>317686020
>He hasn't played Gone Home
>>317685892
That was my point bud
Stop posting this thread.
Sage.
>>317685434
what if naked womyn in videogames are made for the purpose of giving lesbian gamers a runny cunny?
what then, shitlords?
>>317685434
There is no empirical evidence whatsoever that any form of art, video games or otherwise, either causes people to be more sexist or changes the way people think about women. None. Zero. It is entirely a feminist theology and it has no merit. You might as well be saying that nudity in games is bad because Jesus doesn't like it. It's entirely a faith-based ideology.
>>317685795
Video games are toys for manchilds, it will never be art you retard. Just stop.
>>317685434
Here's a smart reason: Artistic freedom.
Something neo-progressives are incapable of comprehending because they're never created anything in their lives but e-drama.
>>317685876
>imprison
u see she has good intentions and just wants to make the universe a paradise for the two of them
so saying it like shes doing it out of spite seems wrong
but yea shes fucking batshit insane now, and there trilogy will end with either having chief convince her to turn back or she self destructs or takes down the warden in an act of self sacrifice.....again
>>317685959
Cidney is dressed that way because she's based on cowgirl truckers and mechanics from the southwest who do dress that way, and because she herself is a cowgirl trucker who happens to be a mechanic
If you've ever been to the southwest you would see women dressed like that even in professional positions
What he said about her isn't that she's energetic which is why she dresses like that, it's that she's an energetic character, not an erotic character which is true, nothing she does is erotic or sexual, she is peppy and upbeat about fixing cars and she does exactly that, fixes cars with a huge smile on her face
>>317686067
They know they can't change rap music or the people making it. They might actually fight back and - gasp - tell them to fuck off and that they don't care about sjw-issues. Plus they're 99% black and you can't criticize black people!
There is zero point to this thread.
400 posts of circlejerking about how the media is literally demonizing whoever/whatever
MOOODS
>>317686143
>it will never be art you retard.
I agree with you, but there are people championing the 'artistic' value of a video game, which just raises hypocrisy when they then challenge a developer's artistic freedom.
>>317686020
Have you ever seen Xena? Do you seriously think that was catering to males?
Sexy naked women are their own reason.
>>317686180
Go to bed, Square-Enix.
>>317686143
>it will never be art
I didn't know videogames grew on the trees!
>>317686154
She's got some kind of mental issues, she legitimately believes she's doing the right thing but she's batshit insane and not ashamed to act hostile towards the likes of team osiris
>>317686209
>Criticizing rap music is criticizing black people
Anon, you might be a total idiot.
>>317686260
Now post his response to the image
He'd really get a kick out of Bayonetta and OneChanbara
>>317686150
Can you read? The problem is that games devs aren't using that as a reason for including these elements. Instead they try to justify its inclusion with flimsy excuses that everybody can see are bullshit.
>>317686307
Don't have it.
>>317685697
>now that she's got a physical form
Oh man I'm so glad I didn't play that fanfic tier Halo 5.
>>317686348
>they aren't using them as reasons to include it
>instead they're using them as reasons to include it
Okay
>>317685764
m8, sauce please
>>317685434
>the obvious one involving giving straight male players a boner.
What about giving lesbian gamers a lady boner?
>>317686180
I absolutely don't mind and neither does my dick nor my conscience.
>>317685434
It's true. That won't stop me from asking for it, because fantasy.
sage
>>317686348
I have no issue with that. in-story reason to justify cheesecake is part of the lore stuff that I actually like.
I mean, what's wrong with going in a village full of naked women and they justify it bay saying clothes are against their religion?
>>317686315
Bayonetta is completely honest about its intentions, ergo it doesn't fit as an example.
>>317685434
He's completely right, vidya aren't smart and it's high time we stopped pretending they are. Devs should just admit they're doing it to please our dicks like the japs do. Enjoy it for what it is.
>>317686460
>tfw no Cid gf
>"video games are art and therefore there can be no erotic in video games"
hurr durr. As if art wasn't full of eroticism throughout the entire history of humanity.
>>317686262
Sorry but you were BTFO with facts and reality
Cidney isn't a sexual character, nothing she does or says is sexual or erotic at all, her having cleavage exposed doesn't make her sexual, sexualization happens in the mind
All she ever talks about is cars or fixing cars, all she ever does is fix cars, she is energetic about cars
Even when two of the male characters in the party hit on her, she is completely oblivious to it and thinks they are talking about cars and car repairs, she has nothing but cars on her mind and she's energetic about cars and that was played for laughs too because she isn't thinking about being sexual at all even when men hit on her.
What Tabata said about her being an energetic character and not an erotic one is objectively true.
He didn't say anything about her outfit being that way because she's energetic, he was talking about her personality and characterization.
And again if you had ever left your house you would know that women in the south who are cowgirls and even female mechanics dress skimpily, Cidney is based on those women and she even has a southern belle accent because of that too, as a character she is not sexual or erotic, she is energetic.
>>317686468
It's really no different.
>>317686094
>>317686457
What about the straight female gamers?
>>317685582
Some people enjoy silly porn plots though.
>Renaissance
>height of human culture
>both sexes were often depicted naked to show the beauty, fragility, and mortality of humanity
>modern era
>women sexualized in any manor is offensive
>women being fragile in any way is sexist
>men are pigs for wanting to show the beauty of a female character in any art
What happened?
>>317685434
I'm sick of being harassed for wanting sexy women in my video games.
>>317685434
OK, you know why they put naked women in games?
Because they are men who like to look at naked women
and most of their customers are men who like to look at naked women
>>317686460
>/v/ tries to talk to a girl
>>317685651
cotton is breathable fabric. parasites are an ad hoc attempt at justification for being barely clothed
>>317686591
They have tons of games made for them, like Norn9, Code Realize or GTA San Andreas
>>317686640
That's the point. I'd never say that to an actual girl. Do you go around and tell girls what kind of porn you like on the first date?
>>317686609
We stopped ignoring women who aren't our mothers, or someone we want do get our dicks into.
>>317685434
>Cortana is already being displayed as explicitly sexual and there’s no point in trying to deny it with coyness.
Clearly a retard at work.
343 wants Halo to be an M-rated game.
A realistically modeled vulva turns it into an AO-rated game and nobody FUCKING SELLS AO GAMES
FAR BE IT FOR A GAMES WRITER TO UNDERSTAND THE ESRB, PEGI, CERO AND WHATEVER THE FUCK AUSTRALIA USES
>>317685434
>tens of thousands of female porn stars
>thousands of girls who strip and display their bodies on live cams for attention
>twerking is one of the most popular dances on the planet
>most popular female clothes are skin tight yoga pants
But please stop objectifying women you silly boys!
>>317686591
How about Anita Sharkskin and that other bitch get off their asses and design games for straight females instead of expected straight men to do it for them? As if they don't have the god damn connections. Also, they'd only bitch about if a straight male wrote it.
>>317685434
I want more naked women in video games, that's the only reason they need to have to be nude.
>>317686584
Sure it is, Kamiya makes no attempt to justify the sexual elements in that game as anything more than "I wanted it to be like this". It's completely different from MGS and similar games.
>>317685582
If you want to censor other people to bring yourself comfort, just say so. Hiding behind claims that it abuses and objectifies women makes you look ridiculous.
>>317685434
>It’s important to remember that video game characters do not themselves make choices. Cortana does not actually choose to appear naked and Quiet doesn’t choose to breathe out of her cleavage. These choices are made for them.
... what?
Well, what choices do these fictional characters make for themselves?
What about Romeo and Juliet? They didn't chose to kill themselves, some asshole name Shakespeare made that decision for them.
What about all the dumb mooks who attack you in vidya games? They didn't make that choice, perhaps they'd rather be at home with a good book. But nooo, someone else made that choice for them and now they have to die a pointless death.
>>317685897
exit is not the only allowable voice available to a person who dislikes something in a market.
nor should it be
>>317686737
No, for the webm
>>317686582
>All she ever talks about is cars or fixing cars, all she ever does is fix cars, she is energetic about cars
Not even him but you know that fapbait doesn't have to talk about sexual things or act sexual, right? You sound exactly like the people who said that Quiet wasn't designed for fanservice just because Kojima came up with a bullshit reason for it.
>And again if you had ever left your house you would know that women in the south
How would leaving my house when I live far to the northeast help me realize that?
>>317686795
Quiet is dressed the way she is because Kojima wanted her to be.
It's no different. He added a reason just like how Kamiya did.
>>317686591
There are games for them.
Also being a straight male myself doesn't stop me from playing bishonen games and liking them, it's stupid to think women can't.
>>317685434
isnt that the guy who sent a picture of his daughter to a ped0
>>317686858
Oh, well yeah you're right. Completely missed that possibility.
>>317686609
>both sexes were often depicted naked to show the beauty, fragility, and mortality of humanity
Yeah and shit like Quiet doesn't depict any of that, it's there so you can jack off to it. Nudity in Renaissance art had a purpose beyond titillation, the vast majority of fanservice in video games doesn't.
>>317686591
They have Raiden in 2 (same character model in 3) homosex vamp on 2 and 4, snake Ass in all the games. They have enough.
>>317686582
I don't see women dressed like that in real life all that often. Backyard mechanics sure, but that's about it aside from hooker of course.
>>317685434
Yet again when talking about female gamers and game icons it comes down to sexuality and nudityand just like every other time it's brought up by a female.
>>317686872
>Quiet is dressed the way she is because Kojima wanted her to be.
And if he were honest about it this wouldn't be an issue.
>He added a reason just like how Kamiya did.
A retarded reason that everyone is justifiably shitting on for how retarded it is.
![Venus_de_Milo_in_the_Musee_de_Louvre[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bjMS0Dw.jpg "Venus_de_Milo_in_the_Musee_de_Louvre[1].jpg")
>>317685582
>this isn't art, if you want to look at sexy women just say so. Hiding behind stupid excuses just makes you look ridiculous.
>>317686784
Anita and her crew are modern con artists. None of them actually believe anything g of what they say. They're in it only for profit. The IRS will destroy her "charity" in due time.
Real men like women, and seeing them nude is nice.
And seeing as hysteric feminazis have turned looking at actual women into rape, we have to look at fictional ones instead.
There's your good reason.
>>317686645
haha nigga u gay
>>317685434
You don't need a reason to have naked women in games. You don't need a reason at all to put anything in your own game. That's the entire problem. If Kojima wanted the entire fucking cast to be naked it would still be 100% fine and he wouldn't need a reason for it. People acting like stories and characters need to be tailored to fit their brand of morality need to fuck off. If you don't like a character being naked, don't play the game and keep your shitty worldview to yourself.
Surely we can all agree that those Quiet scenes were embarassingly bad
>>317686784
>>317686925
How can girls have their fun in games if male characters are forced to be censored on default?
Isn't clothed erection alone enough to raise game rating to r-18?
>>317686974
>under 10 games is enough when men have hundreds
Come on, anon.
>>317687102
The entire narrative and all it entails is embarrassing.
>>317686971
>Quiet is forced to wear provocative clothing as a result of a past mission and the madness of a man.
>Quiet is beautiful and makes poses to display such
>Quiet was clearly fragile but now has great strength
>she could die at any time if she runs out of water
Seems to cover all three.
>>317687047
Bayonetta's outfit being made of hair isn't exactly the world's must justifiable reason either.
You're upset over nothing.
>>317687058
does the IRS have a rule against people saying stuff they dont believe?
>>317687101
You guys keep missing the point. This article isn't complaining about the content existing, it's complaining about the weak excuses to justify its inclusion and wishing that devs would just be honest about their intentions when they include it.
>>317686784
They're too busy getting kicked out of the UN meetings for fraudulent data.
>>317685434
>The 1st is technical. If you’re going to strip Cortana quit trying to skirt the issue by blurring the sex characteristics. I’m starting to wonder if anyone at 343 Industries has ever actually seen a vulva.
Bloody liar. He'd throw a shitfit if they did that.
>>317685434
>men like video games
>men like naked woman
>healthy females can appreciate a naked woman
>men and women put naked females in game
???
>>317685434
>This year in gaming everyone didn't pander to my specific point of view, so instead of supporting media that did, I'm having a big bitch about it because I am a mentally deficient child.
Honestly I feel bad, since I'm practically laughing at the mentally challenged at this point.
>>317687249
And then lie about why they put them there.
>>317687172
We get that.
But before MGSV the SJW were all saying that sexualization in games is only acceptable if it's for a reason relevant to the plot.
Now they're upset that someone used a plot reason to do it.
Feminists who get butt hurt over sexy women in the media need to wonder why does it upset them so.
Maybe it's because, women are evolved to think of other women, as competition to be chosen as breeder partners for successful cavemen?
Men however evolved towards teamwork, that's why say we can watch an Arnold Schwarzenegger film, and not get jealous and cry sexism.
They should stop seeing more attractive women, especially in video games comics or paintings as competition. its delusional.
>>317687132
>How can girls have their fun in games if male characters are forced to be censored on default?
>Isn't clothed erection alone enough to raise game rating to r-18?
I thought men were the only one who were perverts? I mean, wouldn't this just point out their hypocrisy? As if Men would give a shit about being exploited.
>>317687241
you know this how?
>>317687132
They're free to make their own games, instead of whining to men about the games they make for a predominately male demographic the past 20 years. If 50% of gamers really are women it should be very easy to make a profitable games aimed at women, but no, much better to pretend men are morally sinister and bad people for merely indulging themselves at worst, and at best having sound business strategies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InUSRf8AIiM
>>317685434
If cortana had a vulva, although it would be nice, the game would have an AO rating and would be barred from the store. And besides, cortana always looked like she was wearing a skintight suit in the older games.
>>317687292
That picture of Anita and Zoe at the Women's UN makes me so happy now.
All because they got shit on BY the Women's UN because of it.
>>317687292
god damn that was hard to read
>>317687172
Moron, if the "writer/director" wants to make his naked chicks lorewise plausible there is no fucking reason at all to bitch about it.
That's just a retarded excuse to keep bitching about artistic freedom. "hurr durr I'm only offended because he did not just put tits in the game without explanation".
No you are not, you are bitching because you are a little faggot.
>>317687053
Nigga you really comparing this to fucking Quiet? I mean really, just think of the implication you just made. Think for a few minutes just how fucking stupid that was.
>>317685434
Who said it has to be a smart reason? Anyway if the game is set in a strip club I do expect to see some topless women.
>>317687172
But here's the thing, she's complaining because they're not tailored to her brand of morality.
>>317687015
I live in Texas and see girls in short pants all the fucking time in summer.
>>317686445
monstress
I don't think it's porn
>>317687249
>healthy females can appreciate a naked woman
Stop projecting your unrealistically idealized picture of objectified women. Stop enforcing your conceited misogynistic opinion of what's "healthy" and what is not.God, writing this made me throw up in my mouth a bit. There are actually people like this..
there shouldn't be a reason
the game developers do what they fucking want
don't like it don't buy it, answer with your wallets
>>317687278
No. They try to come up with a shaky explanation for the over sensitive folks.
Again the rest can just appreciate it.
>>317687306
You're telling me he'd react positively if they gave their nude females fully-modelled vulva?
>>317685434
> white guy complaining about women's issues
Every time
>>317687132
Why the fuck would you want to see boners in normal videogames? That's not an equivalent to erotic female characters at all, that's a fallacy.
>10 games
No there's legit a hundred of them for women too. Just say show there's a market for it if you actually want them.
http://kotaku.com/sponging-down-sweaty-attractive-men-the-other-side-of-499361817
In before >kotaku and you're right, but here.
>>317687426
>>317686445
It's just a new comic that only has one chapter. It looks like SJW and Tumblr are all sorts of hyped over it. So, expect the story to cater towards them.
I miss when stories were just written by the creator of the comic, and not an amalgamation of what they get in fan letters.
>>317687361
They are bitching because the lore reasons are completely retarded. Everyone understood why nanomachines explaining everything in MGS4 was stupid but no one was crying "artistic freedom" and defending Kojima's moronic decisions.
Well, perhaps the hardcore Kojimadrones were, but that hasn't changed.
>>317687345
>Women around the world still actually oppressed
>Women in India rape and sexually assaulted with objects frequently
>Women in several countries stoned to death for violating rules written by men
>Someone exercised their right to challenge the bullshit this women put on youtube.
Yeah I can't imagine why actual feminist who aren't retarded got pissed.
>>317687365
Well video games are the closest to 'high art' were going to get these days.
Cost wise ecspecially, its the closest we have to high art.
In actual art galleries, all the 'modern' stuff costs about $200 to make, and looks fucking atrocious.
Paintings or sculptures done in the style of the old masters just doesn't get made anymore.
>>317687360
>"problematic"
Gah, I hate that fucking word.
It's so fucking passive aggressive. There's no real meaning to it, but it sounds objective and serious.
It's the perfect word for SJWs, as it makes their complaints sound valid, while at the same time doesn't go into any details or consequences at all.
>>317687360
>against "not for everyone"
>hentaiphd
Does she not even understand how fetishized and fragmented hentai as a medium is?
It's the definition of "not for everyone."
If someone doesn't like futa they aren't going to watch Star Jewel
Nobody who hates BDSM is going to watch Euphoria
It's not for them.
The same applies to all media.
>>317687294
>>317687314
Women can't make games themselves because the censorship on male characters is so heavy.
If they did, it would be automatically banned on steam and all platforms. How do you seriously make a game in that situation?
>>317685675
How are either of those SJW?
>>317687365
Not that guy, but while they totally have differing amounts of historical value video games are certainly an art form. The person making the video game has as much a right to put in a scantily clad or nude person in their game as the dude who made that sculpture.
you see, the box has to have a hole in the bottom so that the delivery man can get a good grip on it. he is a war veteran whose hands were injured by an explosion.
oh and this woman has a special kind of cancer that can only be treated by semen
>tfw my gf was playing MGSV and liked Quiet best of all companions.
She said "well the reason for this is a bit bullshit, but I really like her design"
All I know is that my wife voiced how ridiculous it was that Quiet was showing so much skin, and then when I told her that she had damaged lungs and was enhanced with parasites in order to breath through her skin she was suddenly okay with it.
>>317687474
They try to come up with a shaky explanation because they're too cowardly to admit they're including the content for people to masturbate to.
The oversensitive crowd are going to dislike it explanation or not so it makes no sense to attempt to justify it to them.
>>317687491
Being a white emasculated man complaining about shit on behalf of other people which is so fucking asinine not even said people stoop to low enough levels to complain makes you progressive, and everyone knows being progressive means being more intelligent than everyone else.
>>317687571
>>317687634
>video games
>art
I swear I'm being trolled nobody can be this goddamn deluded.
>>317687597
You don't need to release on Steam to make a PC game, anon.
You can't have sexually explicit depictions of women in Steam games either.
Only ecchi/softcore gets allowed, and the same, I assume, would apply to depictions of men.
>>317687635
>dick isn't already in the pizza
0/10 would not fap
>make a woman in a game half naked for no reason other than you like hot girls
>sexist garbage its 2015 people
>try to give a reason why she would be half naked
YOU LITERALLY CAN'T WIN
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE NAKED GIRLS ANYMORE
ABORT PLANET
>wow at least be honest with us if you put a naked girl in there
>>317687365
No, you're stupid for deciding what is an isn't acceptable that will only stifle creative freedom, it's up to the creator to justify his work in any way he likes. Also you seem to be ignorant of the exact same criticism art such as this has received.
"Venus de Milo didn't decide what she wears, it was decided for her"
"I like the female form as much as the next guy. However, there are two things I’d like to see artists do better. The 1st is technical. If you’re going to strip Venus quit trying to skirt the issue by blurring the sex characteristics. I’m starting to wonder if Alexandros of Antioch has ever actually seen a vulva.
>>317687634
Yeah and people have a right to criticize the perceived flaws of what they produce.
There is no "smart reason" for naked women in real life.
>>317687578
Fuck sake, what does Anita want?
Women to NEVER be harmed hurt, or captured in media ever again?
Women to NEVER be referred to as an object, even by the FUCKING VILLAINS?
>>317687509
What about I don't give a crap. The game has way bigger problems than explaining why the only redeeming part about it needs to be naked...
Kill yourself with a vocal chord...thingamajigga.
>>317687706
wouldnt that be extremely painful?
>>317687053
Yes but takes moe skill to make that than 3d modeling.
>>317687279
>if it's for a reason relevant to the plot.
>someone used a plot reason to do it
Are you for real right now?
The main character constantly has semen leaking from her gaping anus because she needs fresh semen injections in her ass to continue living. Now feel ashamed of your words and deeds.
>>317687761
I'm not saying what should and shouldn't be accepted you dumb shit. I am telling you that comparing high art on which all of western culture was built on to a fucking pixelated striptease show is utterly retarded. Learn to read and comprehend.
>>317687597
I like how you quoted mean, but ignored my questions in my post. Moron.
>>317687680
Explain to me how video games are not art, in a way that does not apply to movies
>MGS is filled with characters with retarded reasons to look the way they do
>SJWs fixate on the woman
Gee, it's almost like they are just prudes and nothing more.
>>317687798
If you harm a woman, it's better that she was weak to begin with, apparently.
And villains shouldn't be villainous towards women - that's being too mean.
>>317687750
>be intellectually dishonest
>get called out for it
>>HOLY SHIT WE JUST CANT WIN CAN WE?!?!?
>>317687680
They are a type of art, the act of creating software is an art in itself.
While it might not be considered high art, like poetry or the theater.
And just like all art throughout history, people will push human desire into it, and puritans and the delusional will try and push their own beliefs onto other peoples work.
>>317687839
You might not care but who cares about that? If other people want to shit on this particular aspect of the game why does that bother you?
>>317687841
If you can't handle a hot pizza straight to the dick to get some pussy, I can't you seriously.
>>317687847
Not my fetish. Probably wouldn't buy it, but I appreciate the concept. Might be good for Starless fans.
>>317687869
Ottermode is such a useless "body type", you only look good with the right lightning and posture, otherwise you just look dyel 24/7.
>>317685434
And neither is there a "smart reason" for it not to be there
>>317687869
theyre made exclusively for faggots
>>317687278
Having your own reasoning does not equal "lying".
If I ask why you're such a massive failure at life, you'll present your reasoning and according to this logic, I'm meant to call you a liar because fact is you're just a worthless piece of garbage, right?
>>317687597
That's not true.
You can show everything about a male body in games save for his dick and asshole. That's muh less restrictive than the censoring for male characters.
Stop your bullshit seriously.
>>317687680
Not only are they creating a work of art, but they are creating visuals, audio and a way to interact with said piece. It requires just as much, if not more artistic vision to create a good game than a good painting. Granted it is multiple people working on it a lot of the time, but nobody has ever said it is against the rules of art to have more than one person work on something.
>>317687782
I never said they have no right to complain, however that doesn't stop it from being a dumb thing to complain about.
>>317687671
>content for people to masturbate to.
Normal people don't masturbate to video games, freak.
That's ALL you.
>>317687278
No one lied.
People asked why Quiet dressed the way she did.
No one asked why he put a half naked character in the game.
>>317687975
GTA Lost and Damned, and Dante's Inferno both showed dicks in them.
>>317687971
>Having your own reasoning does not equal "lying".
Quiet was designed the way she was before Kojima thought up a reason for it. At that point any reason for her having to dress that way is retroactive.
>>317687951
I just find it really sexy when people have muscle definition, skinny-fit guys are the best.
>>317687961
Don't quite get your reasoning there, a log of great art is made by faggots
I don't care. Not enough to finish th
>>317688012
>Normal people don't masturbate to video games
WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE
>>317688020
>People asked why Quiet dressed the way she did.
And the answer is "Kojima wanted to include a sexy character".
>>317686845
Name another
>>317687910
It's like complaining that the dude that got run over by a bus in front of you made your new shoes dirty.
It's a matter of perspective. You could call it a severe case of nitpicking.
>>317685434
There can always be reasons to have a naked woman in a video game, just as there can be reasons to have naked women in movies/TV/anything, so I reject this SJW clickbait article title, but Quiet is a particularly cringe-worthy character, and a prime example of Kojima's hackery, so you can't be mad at SJWs for clinging to an easy target.
>>317688071
Yeah I know, I was just pointing it out.
Now post more.
>>317688152
No, the answer to "Why does Quiet dress like that?" is that she was burned and uses her skin to breath.
The answer to "why did Kojima write in a half naked character" is that he wanted to include a sexy character.
>>317687278
Yeah, to shut up SJWs.
Nobody else gives a fuck.
Isn't the point of playing fantastical video games where you play as a badass world saving super dude for the enjoyment? Why is it okay to create a fictional narrative in which you are unrealistically important and skilled just to make the player feel good, but its not okay to make fictional attractive women for the same reason?
Really, if you think the fictional fantasy media you consume makes you better or worse than someone else because of the what fictional fantasy media they consume, you have really laughably bad priorities in ethics. Everyone likes to feel important, or attractive, or wanted by other attractive people, and you aren't making yourself look like a more mature or respectable person by blatantly lying and saying you don't.
>>317688342
It didn't shut anyone up though, the opposite in fact.
>>317688152
Nothing wrong with that.
>>317687694
>>317687975
>You can't have sexually explicit depictions of women in Steam games either.
Witcher games show everything for female characters, but still no explicit male depictions allowed in them.
>>317688382
They had to try at least.
The lesson is: don't pay attention to SJWs.
They are not relevant in this industry anyway.
>thing is the way it is because the developer just wanted to include it
Literally everything in video games.
>>317685434
They make my pee pee tingle thats the only smart reason I need.
What's the smart reason for cat goombas?
>>317688363
There has been plenty of criticism towards games being wish fulfillment or power fantasies where everything in the game is fellating the player for how awesome they are.
>>317685434
Ive never seen the point of having half naked girls in a game unless it make sense. As in a strip club for example. I haven't played MGSV but from what Ive seen in trailers/reviews this is just stupid. Who the fuck goes to a game to look a women anyways? Porn and reality will always make this better.
>>317685434
Nobody should have to explain a half naked character. Of any gender. Fuck off
>>317688183
protest
>>317688393
I agree, the problem is dishonesty.
>>317688463
Enemy variety.
>>317688548
>Enemy variety.
That doesn't address its appearance, try again.
>>317685434
>nakedness
>explicitly sexual
this is what puritan yanks actually believe
I've been to mixed saunas with hot girls and everybody kept their cool. Of course we dudes commented later on them beauties, but we're not savages controlled by our base desires.
Fucking subhumans the lot of you
>>317688506
>Porn and reality will always make this better
You poor naive individual.
>>317688463
They're expressing their kawaii-neko-fandom. It's all there in the game, if you read between the lines.
>>317688442
Who cares about trash western games? Even if they would show everything it wouldn't arousing.
But yeah that's right.
>>317688314
but you're wrong.
I DECIDE WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT OKAY
NO ONE ELSE BUT ME
JUSTIFY IT TO ME
TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>317688152
>>317688314 this.
You're trying to blur the lines between fiction and reality by giving a real answer for a fictional situation.
It's like asking "why did Walter White start cooking meth?" and expecting the answer to be "because Vince Gilligan wanted to do a story about meth"
That's not why the character Walter White does that. That's not Walter's reason.
Vince Gilligan does not exist in the story of Breaking Bad, he is outside of it.
So when someone asks "why does Quiet dress like that?" the appropriate answer is the in-universe one, if such an answer exists.
And there is one.
>>317688442
Yeah.
Breasts. Maybe an ass. Big fuckin' deal.
Let me know when you can see a vagina on Steam.
>>317688442
>no female genitalia
>explicit
>>317688573
It looks different from normal Goombas to indicate that it behaves differently from them. It also fits with the aesthetic of the game.
>>317687578
>I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR STILL
>>317688638
The question he is answering is definitely "Why does Quiet dress the way she does" and not "Why did you decide to put a half naked girl in your game"
>Games
>Having a boner
pick one.
>>317688660
>So when someone asks "why does Quiet dress like that?" the appropriate answer is the in-universe one, if such an answer exists. And there is one.
No one's denying there's an in-universe reasoning for it, what people are criticizing is that the in-universe reasoning is incredibly hackneyed and convoluted.
>>317687423
In short pants, yeah, but not every mechanic is dressed in short shorts and short tops that expose their midriff and their tits.
>>317688719
And this is less acceptable than Kojima's explanation because you don't like it?
>>317688794
>what people are criticizing is that the in-universe reasoning is incredibly hackneyed and convoluted.
Once again proving SJWs don't play video games.
This is MGS, dipshit.
>>317688794
>the in-universe reasoning is incredibly hackneyed and convoluted.
Which means it fits perfectly with everything else in MGS.
>>317688812
It's less acceptable because Kojima's justification is nowhere near as reasonable as that, as one would expect of the biggest hack in video games next to David Cage.
>>317688638
I hope you're joking, and not actually believing that phony response.
>>317685434
>Cortana does not actually choose to appear naked and Quiet doesn’t choose to breathe out of her cleavage. These choices are made for them.
And every time there is a good reason for them to be naked that choice is also made by the writers, because they are fucking fictional characters.
Jean Valjean never did something much better, fucking Victor hugo decided for him to do the thing.
Darth vader never decided to save his son and to dunk the emperor down the well for lassie to save, fucking george lucas decided that.
EVERY FUCKING FICTIONAL CHARACTER DOESN`T DECIDE SHIT, THEIR AUTHOIRS DO.
Whoevery wrote the "they don´t decide that" is a complete and utter RETARD of the highest caliber, not realizing that his comment negates every reasoning and character in every story every told and to be told.
The only divide there can be is: does the reason seem forced or not.
A person who autimatically reacts to any kind of skin with the "forced" option is a fool and should be disregarded henceforth.
>>317685434
>Thoughts on this, lads?
Men like to see attractive women, women like to see attractive men. You will have your Showgirls so long as you also have your Magic Mike's.
There's literally nothing sexist about showing an attractive woman, so long as it is not demeaning (BDSM shit).
Video game characters are completely fictional, and aren't even played by an actress to whom you could attribute any "idolization" of sexism.
The only people who have a problem with an attractive woman in the media are fat disgusting people, those who wasted their youth on a Liberal arts degree and are now looking for professional approval, or people with an unhealthy agenda.
>>317688794
Well the current social state of the industry seems to be making developers feel as though they need a "legitimate" answer, because clearly what they were doing before (whatever they wanted because fuck you that's why) wasn't satisfying angry feminists.
>>317688740
heres the full quote
>I know there’s people concerning about “Quiet” but don’t worry. I created her character as an antithesis to the women characters appeared in the past fighting game who are excessively exposed. “Quiet” who doesn’t have a word will be teased in the story as well. But once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds.
hes directly defending the decision to put a barely clothed character in.
>>317688804
In a game where tons of other people are showing as much skin as they can, I don't see the issue.
>>317688612
>>317688660
>>317688672
They have full genitalia textured on them, meanwhile males are dickless.
Question still stands. How do you make a game for girls when male nudity is banned even in adult rated games?
>tfw 90s tier censorship has returned
>>317688859
>>317688887
Then you should be used to people shitting on Kojima's retarded ideas.
Vocal cord parasites are as dumb as nanomachines, everyone except retarded defensive fanboys agrees with this.
>>317685434
I have two reasons
>MUH DICK
and
>MUH DICK
>>317688891
>Kojima's justification is nowhere near as reasonable as that
Again, bitch, it's MGS.
Go play the games. Or back to tumblr.
>>317687854
>all of western culture was built on Venus de Milo
Check out this retard.
>>317688891
Mission 45 made it seem pretty reasonable.
Honestly, if any of the people complaining about Quiet's outfit played the game, they would be far more concerned with how she was stripped by a guy that was attempting to rape her instead of her outfit.
>>317688913
i dont believe it. i think kojima is full of shit and used a paper thin attempt to justify it. the other poster seems obsessed with splitting a hair between why the character dresses a certain way and why the creator has a character that dresses a certain way
>>317688442
>>317688672
>>317688986
Well, yes. But many people are solely shitting on Quiet because she's a woman as it's somehow different from all the other ridiculous bullshit Kojima writes.
>>317688983
>90's complaints
Fixed.
Going full Jack Thompson is going to be the downfall of these people.
>>317688891
He is a hack because he triggers you, Tumblr?
>>317688915
wow, you are fucking triggered huh
