>Fallout 4 has 60 base Weapons, not including throwables, not including mods.
>Fallout New Vegas has 130 base weapons, 209 with unique variants, not including throwable, not including mods.
>Fallout 4 has 24 different ammo types
>Fallout New Vegas has 28, which can all be modified at a reloading bench giving them all different properties, making the total number of different ammunition types around 110
>Fallout 4 has a dialogue wheel consisting of "Yes, no, maybe, sarcasm" and speech checks based on charisma that you can save scum
>Fallout New Vegas has the full sentence of what you're going to say, and has speech checks that go along with the speech skill that you can't save scum through, you're either skilled enough or you're not.
>Fallout 4 has 4 factions that affect the story and dialogue.
>Fallout New Vegas has 9 main factions that affect the story and dialouge, along with multiple smaller ones.
Fallout 4 isn't terrible, it actually improved on the gunplay, feels like a better shooter. But everything else is a downgrade.
>>317673869
yea i'm genuinely disapointed with the lack of variety in weapons
it seems like its only pipe weapons, combat rifles, missile launchers and the occassional fatman and hunting rifles
>Game is about Synths
>No .223/That Gun
>Fallout 4 was made by Bethesda
Pretty much sums it up.
>>317673869
Um, isn't it 40 base weapons? 4 of which are useless pipeshit, effectively making the count 36?
>>317673984
And hunting rifles are so goddamn useless, even when modified to use .50.
That pissed me off, coming from FO3 and NV where Lincoln's Repeater and Medicine Stick were my gunfus.
>>317673869
>130 base weapons
>only use about 7 since 90% of them are fucking garbage
At least in 4 if a weapon is garbage you can actually make it good by upgrading it.
>>317674264
>bolt on the left side
Why is Bethesda incapable of making something as cool as the NCR Ranger outfit?
Nothing in 3/4 or the entirety of The Elder Scrolls is even close. I can't fucking wait for it to modded into 4, it's borderline perfect and has only been held back by Bethesdas shit engine
>New VegasLOL
>>317674295
That's a fucking lie pham. At least half of the weapons are perfectly viable.
>>317674380
>3BTFO
>>317674295
The vast majority of them were viable, not counting the low tier ones like 9mm shit which could still be prolonged in usefulness by changing your ammo type. Miniguns were shit though, but you could make Shotguns great just by picking like 2 perks while in 4 you need to pick the same one 5 times before a gun gets good
>>317674295
Any weapon with a skill requirement of 50+ is viable into the endgame, especially if you mod it or find its unique variant. There are nine rifles alone with that prereq.
>>317674380
>Metro Tunnels: The Video Game
>>317674295
>>317674380
>Bethfags trying this hard
>>317674329
but the noguns faggots like to watch bolts being worked, something about repressed sexual desires
>>317674380
>shit baitKEK
>>317674380
If I wanted to play Metro, I'd go fucking play Metro
Fallout 4 is a steaming pile of monkey poop, we get it
So is Fallout 3 for that matter
>New Vegas is the first Fallout game where unarmed actually has a decent selection of weapons and some actual effort devoted into its development
>All of that is immediately thrown out the window in 4
Jesus Christ, Bethfags are Undertale cancer x2
>spam the same threads every day
>hugeass circlejerk of newfags
>all of them get salty when someone shitposts in their thread
>>317674295
>90% of them are garbage
You could at least try to make it a little less obvious that you haven't played the game.
>>317674295
except they were all viable since NV is actually a RPG
>>317674380
>metros as proof of fallout 3 being good
Thanks Todd
>>317674767
>companions and npcs get custom unarmed attacks
>you don't
>>317674835
Wat?!
>Bethesdrones are paying $60+ for a game with half the content of NV, linear quests, shitty writing, and game breaking bugs
>"BUT ITS FAAAAAN"
>"I PLAYED OVER 600 HOURS SO THAT MUST MEAN ITS GOOD"
Wait is that ammo count correct? Sure feels like New Vegas had a lot more ammo types. .22, .40,.357,govt w/e, 20 gauge and 12 gauge, missile/rocket slit, BB ammo, and I might be missing more...
>>317674835
Holy shit this pisses me off so much
>Fucking Nick is running around with a pipe revolver doing CQC
>Meanwhile I can't do anything outside of VAT's killcams while using pure unarmed
New Vegas let you do special moves like the Ranger Takedown while having so little to work with yet now I'm actively being restricted
>>317674934
Deathclaws and suplex you and shit
>>317674995
I love how the Khan Trick required the ground actually be somewhat dirty to work.
>>317674767
>unarmed
>selection of weapons
Pick one, retard.
>>317675115
how about both
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Fallout:_New_Vegas_weapons#Unarmed
>>317674767
>play FO4 with melee build
>equip boxing gloves
>only one hand has a glove in it
Bravo Bethesda
>>317674995
>>317674835
You do get that thing where you can finish off a low health enemy with your rifle butt but that's about it
and enemies can do it too, which is annoying since fighting a dude with a rifle in melee when you're at low health is more dangerous than fighting a dude with a melee weapon when you're at low health
How long until modders make FO4? A year or a month? Also is hard to get into modding , I wanna stop being a simple consumer
Is there a mod that removes the voice yet?
>>317675248
>New Vegas has more unarmed weapons than Fallout 4 has ranged weapons
>>317675219
>equip power fist
>disappears from character model when holstered
I'm disgusted with how lazy Beth is. Like, seriously, there are hardly any weapons compared to NV (which were moddable too) and yet you can't visibly holster anything.
There's no way Fallout 4 has 60 base weapons. It feels more like 30 or 40, with about half being pipe shit.
>>317675325
GECK doesn't come out till at least january, so at least for a year after that till we get good mods
>Also is hard to get into modding
it depends what you do but generally no it isn't
just fuck around with the GECK/creation kit/construction kit for previous bethesda games
>Critical Hits are VATS only, and activated only.
>>317674831
Even if a lot of them in NV were just unique variants, the fucking difference between the two games is still inexcusable
>>317675452
It's actually 53. If you count automatic variants of weapons, it's probably a flat 60.
>>317675408
I should go back and finish all the DLC now.
>>317673869
mmm copypasta
>>317674831
I'm also reading there you can't use the power fist if you're wearing power armor
>FO4's files are recognized by the modding tools from Morrowind
The only reason these threads are so anti-fallout is because people who would be defending it are instead having fun playing the game.
>>317675665
The logic is that the hands/arms of the power armor already act as power fists as a given.
>>317675547
>>317675248
>4 has native Yao Guai
>But no Yao Guai gauntlet
>>317674380
Shitpost
Harder
Better
Faster
Stronger
>>317675665
With PA you could have 13 strength and modifications to the hands which add unarmed damage/effects
>>317675718
Why aren't you playing the game then?
>>317673869
>Fallout New Vegas has 9 main factions
>House/New Vegas
>NCR
>Legion
>Benny/Yes Man/Independent
If you consider any of other factions "major" you're wrong.
>>317674175
It's in the Mojave.
>>317675718
Betheskeks already shipping in salt by the pound.
>>317675948
You interact with the BoS, Kings, Boomers, Khans, and "the Strip" as part of the main quest.
>>317675948
3 literally doesn't have any side factions at all, and it's main factions feel like poorly done shit versions of NV
>>317675547
Only about 16 of those are from before the dlc. Of them half or so are special versions. Given the way special weapons works in fallout 4, a proper list with all variants would be relatively similer to the base NV, but with far more special variants. You have to take into acount that there are like 4 different modifiable versions of just the knuckles with different models and stats. They just no longer each get their own wiki page. There are legit criticisms for the weapons in fallout 4 but this isn't one of them.
>>317674175
blade runner build would be pretty cool
>>317673869
What made me saddest were the fist weapons.
There's like only 1 power fist now and its thrown together anyway. Incredibly disappointing. You cant be trained with streetfighter moves anymore too, just click and slash forever...
>>317676127
There are 11 base weapons with significantly different properties and models. Fallout 4 has 4 unarmed weapons, most of which spawn rarely. There are no uniques and incredibly scarce legendaries. There are very few mods for these weapons, and they don't even deal fatigue damage. This is very much an issue coming from New Vegas.
>>317674938
> half the content
In which way, minus "muh 200 weapons". Fallout 4 has considerably more content than NV did, especially when you take into account actual game world size, number of quests, crafting and basebuilding, and just sheer hours of gameplay...
> linear quests
As opposed to NV's EXTREMELY linear world design...
> game breaking bugs
Fallout 4 launch has had countless fewer game breaking bugs than NV launch, so this point is shit.
Obsidiots actually believe this shit.
I loved every Fallout since I first played FO1 on PC back in my college days, but claiming NV is leagues ahead of 4 is just mental. Yeah it's better than 3, but that's just natural progression. Of course it will be better. It's practically Fallout 3 part 2.
FO4 did one good thing, thorevived interest in NV and quality threads about it
>>317676043
and the Fiends, since they're organized and have leadership. True not really questlines, but they're a force. They aren't just 'LOL RAIDERS'
>>317676693
NV has way more quests than 4, which are much higher quality and don't always end up being "clear out these enemies". 4's entire crafting system is "pick up all junk then spend 5 minutes scrapping it so you can build a mod, and the basebuilding is total fucking garbage with no actual incentive to actually do it other than Minecraft autism. 4's gameworld is also garbage, there's only 2 actual towns because Bethesda expects you to build all the other ones yourself, which leads to the whole world being devoid of interesting NPCs and quests thanks to them relying on the god awful Radiant ones.
why does bethesda hate unarmed weapons so much?
there are only 4 of them, with 1 or 2 mods for each one, and they all suck compared to the super sledge
you can't use them with power armor, and the power armor mods for unarmed damage are trash
also, the ninja perk only gives half of its bonus to unarmed for no fucking reason
>>317676338
>enemy charges at me with a sledge
>block, and immediately hit back with Scribe Counter
>use Khan Trick pocket sand to blind them
>cross punch knocks the sledge out of their hands
>do a Ranger Takedown to sweep out their legs and put em on the ground
>go into VATS, use my boot to stomp on their face
Unarmed was so fucking good in New Vegas, holy shit
>>317676693
>Fallout 4 has considerably more content than NV did
Fallout 4 has considerably more repeatable content than NV did. There are fewer named NPCs, fewer settlements, and fewer unique quests. Most of it is shallow and incredibly samey, consisting of a dungeon run with a conveniently placed loot chest and emergency exit. This is not fun or engaging content. There is hardly any reactivity or interactivity, either.
>As opposed to NV's EXTREMELY linear world design...
Only the first part of NV was in any way linear, and even then, players who knew what they were doing got everything they needed to utilize the Long 15, the backroads, Primm Pass, or Hidden Valley to get to Vegas faster. Outer Vegas is filled with low-level content as a result. Besides, quest design is far, far more important to an RPG than level design. Fallout 4 has fucking abysmal quest design, whereas NV's is excellent. There's not a single moment in Fo4 that can compare to the unmarked interrogation quest in NV.
>I loved every Fallout since I first played FO1 on PC back in my college days
>at least 36 years old
>still browsing /v/
Consider suicide.
>>317676765
That pic is great.
That is all.
>>317674389
Not to mention that the custom ammo types make even the shit weapons usable, if not ideal.
>>317677203
The progression of unarmed in NV was so fucking satisfying, more so than pretty much any other combat style.
The way you'd learn new VATs attacks as your skill increased, could get them from perks as you level up, and get those 4 special real time special attacks as you play through the games quests was brilliant
>>317674295
>he uses pipe weapon
>>317674264
I find great use out of the hunting rifle, works great on those OHK's and stuff
>>317677203
obsidian really deserve extra points for making unarmed work in shitbyro in a satisfying manner, for taking the time and having the ambition to innovate
>>317677368
well, no shit it was brilliant. obsidian made it after all. that's part of why i can overlook a lot of flaws in their games. they always get the details right.
>>317677569
didn't get PoE right, tho
>>317677405
I use pipe weapons because I have so much god damn .38 ammo I'd rather just use it by spamming it with one of the auto pipe rifles
>>317677203
NPC's will use ranger takedown in Fallout 4 rarely.
But I still can't.
WHAT IS THIS SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
>>317677642
>>317677640
>not selling all that garbage for massive caps
Nigger you can't be serious
>>317677203
>Not doing Legion Assault followed by cross
Fucking degenerate
>>317677612
DIsagree, at least now. First run i've played it, was alright. Now with the first part of White march, extra talents and balance, imo it's much fucking better. Much less + 1 stats item, your guys actually feels more competent and effective. Zarua is a cool guy, and there are some cool quest around.
>>317677728
but its fun to sperg all my ammo at enemies
>>317677747
>legion
>>317677728
Honestly, why didn't they implement an ammo economy in Fo4? Shit like .38 is so goddamn ubiquitous. Speaking of which, where does all their ammo come from?
>>317677747
>Legion
>>317677757
desu, I just couldn't get into and did not give it a fair shake
but from the lukewarm reception and from what I've seen, it still seems to be the prevailing stance from people who've got lots of love for everything Obsidian has made
Does Caravan actually have rules?
I remember the tutorial, not really grasping what it meant about how to play, and then I wasn't allowed to actually select any of my cards in the game itself.
>>317677673
>Unarmed is supposed to be about hand to hand fighting and martial arts
>Gives the player jackshit to do with it while gun wielding NPCs all get to use all the cool animations
>>317677673
why are all these cool animations locked to vats? fuck vats. i know hitting enemies with alt button is supposed to trigger an animation outside of vats when enemies are low enough, but it never happens for me.
>>317677834
>>317677882
>Not mastering all forms of combat
>>317677905
>>317677891
Just saying, i personally liked it a lot. But then again, i played the BG, ID and planescape to 100% completion at least 5 times each.
I also liked some cool details. Like Grieving mother being invisible to basically anyone.
>>317677857
IT JUST WORKERS!!!
>>317673869
>Fallout 4 isn't terrible, it actually improved on the gunplay
Nothing New Vegas with Project Nevada cannot already do.
>>317677915
Example
>I still haven't made a Ranger character with high focus on Unarmed who fights with Dog Tag fists, ensuring the souls of other NCR heroes can still bloody Legionnaires from the afterlife
>>317678103
>>317678103
>>317678103
>Blitz lets you teleport across the room
Seriously?
How many quests are there in Fallout 4 anyway?
>>317678265
INFINITE
QUESTS
>>317677905
You can use the arrow keys to select cards and where to place them. For some reason, that's the one thing the game never tells you.
>>317678265
Quote from wiki:
There are a total of 136 quests, which:
- 13 are from Main Quest
- 33 are Side Quests
- 22 are from BoS
- 21 are from Minutemen
- 21 are from Railroad
- 15 are from Institute
- 11 are categorized as "Others"
>>317678180
>>317678223
>>317678103
Well, i guess i will roleplay as the Radborne. This shit is clearly magic
>>317678103
We DBZ nao
>>317678265
Most of the BoS and Minutemen quests are incredibly bland radiant quests that can be completed multiple times.
>>317678170
I know what my next build is
Question for modders of New Vegas! I wanted to know if companion mods like Niner and Story Teller have ending slides when you end Hoover Dam.
Just a small thing I wanted to know before I download
>>317675547
When I say the same, I mean they're unique versions of the former, so they don't count. Or otherwise you could count the uniques in 4.
>>317678340
>22 are from BoS
>21 are from Minutemen
Is this counting radiant? Because there's no fucking way that the Minutemen have more than 10 unique quests
why so vitriolic, can't we all get along?
>>317678103
> not punching the grenade as well
>trying to play FO4
>doing the minute man quest where you have to retake castle
>have to smash a bunch of liremurk egg nests
>have to individually melee each egg to not waste ammo
>like 20 nests
>Mirelurk Queen attacks
>5 minutes of me kiting it around throwing grenades and cocktails at it
>once she's dead go back to smashing eggs
>Legendary glowing mirelurk
>runs straight at me and 2 shots me
>have to cripple its legs
>drops a fucking legendary pool cue
>start looking for Preston to turn quest in
>nowhere to be found
>quest marker is in the middle of nowhere
>run out there
>during the fight he teleported to the middle of nowhere
>lets go get that radio working
>literally starts running back to castle
>stops to shoot everything in his path
>turn game off
Bethesda games are all tedious piles of shit I have to force myself to play
>>317676769
There are a couple groups of raiders with leaders in a bunch of different areas round the maps, read the terminals.
>>317678596
Okay, so FO4 isn't completely up to snuff, but how are the companions?
Do they have any depth to them, or are they walking meatshields?
>>317678768
No
>>317678749
You literally can't interact with them in any way though.
At least with The Fiends you can talk to and make a deal with Motor Runner
Literally everything is hostile to you in 4 and reading the hundreds of terminal entries feels pointless compared actively interacting with real characters
>>317676765
The fact that New Vegasand Kotor 2still get story discussion to this very day is a testament to the writing quality of those games.
>>317673869
>being in vault 81
>saved the kid that was bite by a moalrat
>maccready dislikes that
>maccready that is a loving father wants to watch a child die
>reload and say i take half of the medicine
>maccready still dislike it
>reload and outright say to let the child die
>maccready likes this
>say i was just joking saving the kid
>maccready dosent care
>later steal a nuka cola qouantom
>maccready idolizes you
the companions like/dislike system is fucking broken.
>>317678596
Holy shit, that happened to me.
My Preston teleported all the way back to Sanctuary. I fast travelled around for a while waiting for him to walk all the way back.
>>317678768
All the uniques in 4 are randomly generated if I remember right. You know, this one does extra bleed damage, or this one does 25% more damage to humans or some shit.
It reminds me of a certain other Bethesda game, but with guns...
>>317678780
One more than New Vegas (he's Institute exclusive) but only three of them have quests. Interaction with them is considerably more simplified and transparent, with obvious tiers of affection boosted by occasionally nonsensical actions. Romancing them yields an exp boost if you use a bed, and they grant active perks if you max out their affection. They really can't compare in depth or complexity to Arcade, Boone, or even Raul.
>>317678768
>recolours counting as unique textures in FNV
That shit is lazy. Do you think fighting recoloured enemies are fun?
>>317679000
and VTMB, Morrowind (?)
>>317678103
i fucking love blitz. that together with ninja and psycho, you will one shot everything.
![FNVRechargerRifle[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/qwQhhpq.jpg "FNVRechargerRifle[1].png")
>>317674767
It's all down to how Obsidian met the challenge of making weapon types viable without making you overpowered at the start, baby.
Every weapon type has an obvious starter which you can find or buy quite early on in the game, assuming Doc Mitchell didn't give it to you based on your character creation. And beyond that you can quickly find or buy the next step up from your current weapon. Then you have several different tiers and different branches, particularly with Guns and Energy Weapons (the Minigun and AMR are both in the same 100 Guns bracket, but are entirely different in functionality).
Bethesda's solution is the same as Fallout 3: limit how much ammo you get for certain weapons, like .45 or .308 until you cross a point where it starts handing the ammo types out like candy, same for certain weapon mods whenever it rolls random guns.
>>317678340
How many of those are epic Radiant quests?
>>317678596
to be fair there is a flamethrower inside one of the rooms you're supposed to use for the mirelurk eggs.
>>317678013
>Guide doesn't tell you're supposed to use the arrow keys to move cards
This is literally why nobody knows how to play in the first place.
>>317679073
You don't remember right. You're thinking of legendary items, not uniques.
>>317678415
Please somebody
>>317679152
Only the shitty gloves have that problem. Almost every unique gun or melee weapon has its own model, including the fucking lead pipe.
>>317678596
>not bringing a fat man and rocket launcher to the fight.
I could've sworn the point of fallout 4 was customization of weapons, not just picking em up off the ground.
I'm not sure weapon count is the best way to compare at that point.
Why does Fallout 4 have all this pipeshit if they give you a superior 10mm/minigun/musket/T-45 right off the bat. The game should have had a hobo phase like STALKER where pipe guns are useful
>>317679313
I know Russel/NV Bounties 2 have ending slides for something they do,because I voiced one.
Let's see your delivery-boys/girls
>>317679031
> do a bunch of edgy shit near Codsworth
> he starts to dislike you
> leave him at base
> later on he starts loving you since he saw you craft stuff
>>317679318
But we're talking about unarmed weapons, where the uniques aside from Love and Hate are all just recolours.
>>317679163
been a while since i saw a Morrowind thread.
>>317679396
well at any rate, the justification for having less variety is greater customization in return.
>>317678780
They make some quirky comments, but other than that are mostly there as meat shields.
But there's a lone wonderer perk which makes them worthless.
>>317679442
true
>>317679150
Well, I guess that's to be expected.
>romance
Fuck me, I completely forgot that was in the game. Let me guess, you just do shit they like and then they spread their legs for you?
>>317679396
The weapons customization is shit though
The only choice you ever have to make is type of scope because every other mod has a clear top tier one that's better than all the others
I'd love to see everything from New Vegas with 4's shooting and lack of crashes.
>>317679510
You have to pass a speech check, too!
>>317674380
>Let's compare a small area in one game to a huge area in another
>>317679417
I wanna know what your opinion is on NVB3.I thought it was a mediocre pile of crap.
>>317674674
Damn I loved the atmosphere in those games. Anyone know about the next Metro game? I heard it was going to be open world.
>>317679560
Bravo Bethesda.
>>317679630
I was not actually involved in NVB3, nor have I gotten around to playing it. Sorry.
>>317679673
>I heard it was going to be open world
Why does everything need to be fucking open world?
>>317679417
Thanks just wanted to know cause I wanna install a few companion mods and would really like to do all there quests in one play through.
Want a nice big ending when I'm done playing this run. Might not play it for awhile after this
>>317679782
No problem.
But now I'm curious, since Russel and NVB2 were pretty fun, enemy bum rushes aside. Who did you voice?
>>317679806
Metro could actually work as an "open world" game if they simply had a bunch of interconnected tunnels and shit that regularly opened and closed as shit happened. If they did some freeform shit about you being a random citizen caught up in either faction politicking or just exploration/mercenary work with a really reactive, constantly changing tunnel system, it'd be fucking incredible.
>>317679925Hobo Charlie.Mediocre overall, but the barks were fun.
>>317674175
Your joking right? That Gun never got put into Fallout 4?
>>317679925
>mfw the mountains where fucking 150 ghouls attack you
>>317680023
Admittedly, during my first playthrough, I failed to get his papers all sorted. Felt kinda bad after seeing the ending slide.
Thankfully, that was rectified in a later playthrough.
>>317680264
JIP C&C, anon. Having more than 2 guys backing you up sure helps. Though I did crash twice during that section.
Someguy really lost his touch, I think.
I swear to god, Fallout 4 has the worst scripting/pathfinding of all the Fallout (And possibly Elder Scrolls) series. Seriously, half of the time, when a friendly NPC is involved, they just end up getting stuck, walking endlessly in a wall, or outright disappear.
But I'm glad that at least the atmosphere felt right to me. There's traces of pre-war era everywhere, with countless interesting pre-war logs (And those implicit stories told by skeletons and items surrounding them), unlike that fucking retarded western movie atmosphere NV had.
>Fallout New Vegas got made in 1 year
>Fallout 4 took Bethesda +4 years
And don't come with the ''Obsidian already had all the assets'' shit. Fallout 3 uses the same engine and textures that Oblivion uses.
While making a bigger game than Fallout 3 Obsidian also fixed some animations and added their own details as well. All in less than 25% of the development time.
Bethesda is fucking lazy.
>>317680525
I'm surprised the old bastard had so many outcomes. You gave him a missile launcher, right?
>>317674175
Because kiddies dont know blade runner
Shame really
>>317680845
I did. Guy kicked a lot of ass but in the end, since he didn't have any of his papers determining his veteran status, he ended up back in the gutter.
>>317674481
Nice biased views, obsidian drone. New vegas is a just a hot pile of shit like the mojave desert.
>>317673869
>have to choose between nuking boston and killing your evil son
Shite game, really
>>317681316
What's biased about that?
>>317679201
with how well-paced the mission is, it's impossible to know that
bethesda is shit at almost everything
Are companions the only ones you can romance in the game?
>>317681341
And hows ' giving NV to a corrupt government/practically dead autocrat/ Slavers and No fun allowed people ' any different ? Atleast Fo4's ending has some sentimentality associated with it.
What are your guys favorite New Vegas mods
>New Vegas Bounties 1 & 2
Pretty fun and simple quests. In the first NVB a few of the missions reminded me of Fallout 2 a bit.
>Beyond Boulder Dome
I got a lot of vibes from this mod while playing Fallout 4, the later half is really interesting and you are given some fun choices.
>Boom to the Moon
Had to of been made by a legitimate autist, you explore a moon base but actually fight no NPC's besides one at the very end. There are like 600 unique decoration objects thrown around.
Includes a complete text adventure game in one of the terminals.
>>317681547
Can't you read the highlighted points and just figure out how its biased ?
>>317681754
Can't you give some examples?
So is being a bad ass mother fucker a requirement to be a courier in the Mojave?
> Games gives you a full power armor and minugun with 500+ caps worth of ammo during the first hour of actual gameplay
I thought this game would make me feel like a dude who spent 200 years in a fridge and who is desperately trying to survive, not like a fucking invincible tin can right at the start of the game.
And fusion cores are a joke to find, they're fucking everywhere.
>>317673869
Every fallout is the same fucking shit with the same feeling and type of quests, layout, etc. You fucking plebs shut up already they are all the same shit with fallout 4 having the most gimmicks
>>317681850
Fuck off Ulysses
>>317673869
Not gonna lie seeing a fucking bolt lever hunting rifle as the ONLY sniper rifle is bs considering new Vegas
Let's hope obsidian gets another shot
>>317681850
BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR BULL AND THE BEAR
>>317681850
I enjoyed roleplaying as a courier that had literally never been to the Divide. Called Ulysses crazy the entire time, then lied at the very end to convince to stand down.
Crazy bastard.
>>317677728
>>317677640
Do you even play the fucking game?
Combat rifles have a .38 receiver that deals decent damage.
>>317681863
you would think stuff like that would be rare considering its set 200 years into the future. feels more like its been 20-50 years.
>>317681974
>obsidian will most likely never get to make another fallout game
Feels
SO
FUCKING
BAD
Bethesda should at least let them make a spinoff game or something.
Small and cheap, like anisometricgame or something.
>>317675105
Really?
I thought you could do it anywhere.
Fuck man, I really hate that NV isn't the installment that's considered GOAT.
>>317682163
>Bethesda should at least let them make a spinoff game or something
Wat. Bethesda is the one making spin-offs.
>>317679185
>>317678476
I've played this game for 100 hours and I can say for sure that the BoS have no more than 14 quests or so. The rest are radiants.
>>317681804
>Claiming more locations
The maximum number of locations in NV are filler shit like safehouses and shacks and other nondescript shit
>Blackjack/caravan/ as minigames, forgetting FO3 had a minigame on one of the terminals
>deliberately calling NV characters interesting while deriding Fo3's
>Intricate faction relation(faction relation was nothing intricate, you kill someone of this faction, you get negative points with them. It was nothing noteworthy)
>>317674380
>Doesn't even show the numerous side-areas such as the hotels, outdoor areas, upper floors, the entire camp, the neon sign forge, etc.
>Uses the metro tunnels as a way of showing something good for FO3.
L M A O
The only thing that really annoys me about the f4 weapons is that the receiver mods don't change the appearance of the gun. Especially mods like the .50 for the hunting rifle. I mean, the magazine just stays the same for bullets of different dimensions. That's just bad design.
>>317678103
>Bethdrones will try to defend this
Give it up guys, FO4 will bow down to NV cock.
>>317682124
That's the thing. After 200 years, you'd think that most of the valuable crap you find everywhere (Electronics, weapons/ammo, water, and fucking pre-war food) would have been totally looted, except for some rare, unexplored places.
Also, what rustled my jimmies was the fact that when you take a fusion core from its socket, nothing changes, everything in the building is still powered.
It would have been awesome to have to decide wether or not you take that fusion core from the very last room in that deep and dark bunker and have to go back in total darkness (Possibly giving the game a horror dimension. Imagine only the faint light of your Pip-Boy guiding you through ghoul-ridden corridors without being able to see past two meters in front of you.)
That would also make the use of power armor way more rare and valuable.
>>317675938
now if only there was an easy way to unequip the weapon in your hand for your bare fists like in new vegas, nothing like "I'm gonna punch this guy better open my pip boy and put my weapon away."
>>317678780cogsworth stops to tell you he's happy to be traveling with you and is hoping you see him more than just a robot and something like a family member. All the while explaining that his time watching the family home go to ruin and the wasteland develop.
choked me up a bit
>>317682631
>The maximum number of locations in NV are filler shit like safehouses and shacks and other nondescript shit
Sounds pretty biased desu
>fallout had one minigame on one terminal
>implying that 3 fully fledged minigames with multiple places to do them aren't objectively superior
>>deliberately calling NV characters interesting while deriding Fo3's
I agree with this one
>>Intricate faction relation
Since in 3 it was "break the law and the town tries to murder you for x amount of days", an actual faction system with actual consequences is intricate by comparison.
K niggers you guys got me wanting to really get into roleplaying in NV but I'm getting freezes whenever I leave a worldspace. Pic related is my mod list. Also using a repack of Poco Bueno's textures. I get pretty consistent 50+ fps with some stuttering but I put that to the engine.
>>317675910
Good read desu
>>317683145
>Sounds pretty biased desu
No it isnt. The amount of filler locations in NV are staggering, there is nothing interesting in ~60 % locations apart from some minimal loot.
Anyone have any idea why people outside of this board like fallout 3 more than New Vegas?
It has more weapons, more quests, factions that actually matter (remember when certain factions would attack you if you wore the opposing group's clothing?), ironsights on guns, weapon & ammo modification, and a pseudo-realism mode.
I didn't play any of the DLC for Vegas, but I remember Operation Anchorage and Mothership Zeta being fucking awful garbagePoint Lookout was good though. Did I forgot something amazing about fallout 3?
>>317683389
Name 23
>>317683174
>no rape mods
Did F4 do anything right?
It seems to have just added pointless shit like settlement developing, and moving your pip-boy around.
>>317683619
The gunplay is better, and the modification is cool when in a vacuum. Also, story is better than 3.
>>317679427
Q-34 + Max Charge Cells + Logan's Loophole = One hell of dead gorge full of deathclaws.
Not even halfway to 30 yet.
>>317683565
9x safehouses
atleast 10 'shacks'
~3 ranger stations with nothing interesting
~8 'pit stops'/'gas stations'
~ 5 different ruins
>>317683619
They did a decent job with Boston. It feels like a giant city ravaged by war.
>>317673869
Is there any point to the maybe option? It never drives the conversation onwards, literally the sperg option every time.
>>317683549
Virgin effect, also I guess Fallout 3 is better at being the "go anywhere do anything" game right from the start with the way the game world is designed, and the level scaling. It's a theme park to New Vegas's world.
>>317683781
Q-35, rather.
>>317683825
None of those are names, senpaichi
>>317683619
The help menu is pretty detailed
>>317679442
maybe it has to do with bethesdafags shitting up every discussion about every game that is not the newest bethshit
>>317684056
I was actually pretty impressed with it.
>>317673869
Some of the stuff you mentioned are already fixed with mods.
>>317683934
You get the idea.
>>317683701
The guns still feel and sound like toys though.
Story is just as bad as 3. Same dad/son bullshit as well, except if you pick a female character this time it makes less sense.
>>317683834
It really doesn't. It's small, and Diamond City houses only a handful of people.
>>317684129
No, I don't know every single location in NV, so you could've (and probably did) pull those numbers out of your ass.
>>317679806
Tube simulators should be banned globally by law.
>>317684181
You can just look it up. Or if you're still playing the game, actually complete it and then hold strong opinions about it, you dumb autist.
>>317684257
You're the one trying to prove a point about the game, you should source your claims.
>>317683389
>>317683825
are you implying that there aren't that many shacks and places with nothing interesting happening or ruins in FO3?
>>317682953
This, man really hit me hard on the feels
And their were no Geckos or Cazadors, I hope Obsidian get's another chance to make a Fallout gaem.
>>317684480
They won't do it. Not after that metacritic bonus bullshit
>>317684413
just let him have fun with his retardation
>>317684516
I don't know, is Metacritic still as Influential as it once was?
>>317683619
Power armor felt right. Feels like an actual fucking thickass bulky exosuit, unlike other games. Too bad you can just wear it forever when you're only 10% into the game.
>>317673869
>Only one gun uses 5.56
>No gun uses .50 natively
>Assault rifle comes semi-auto as standard, even with a giant water cooler
>>317685205
>Combat rifle and combat shotgun share the same look
They could have used the M14 as the rifle's basis goddamn is that so fucking hard to make them not look same?
>>317685309
It is when the 85% of the budget is spent on marketing.
>tfw will never be able to play the ultimate version with jsawyer + hide speech checks + delay dlc as my very first time
>>317685205
>>317685309
I'm still having fun with the game, but god damn. Just what the dick.
Considering most gun mods are just linear stat increases I would have prefered less gun mods but with more base guns.
>>317673869
>Fallout 4 has 60 base Weapons
There's no way this would be true, unless you maybe count pipe pistol/pipe rifle and laser pistol/laser rifle as different ones
>>317685309
Or they could keep the current combat rifle but use the City Killer shotgun as an inspiration for the combat shotgun. God damn, it's look has been forgotten forever.
I just wanted an ak god fucking dammit.
>>317685580
Then go play literally any other fps
Or play NV/3 and mod it in
>>317685558
Like, come on! Just look at that shit! Even NV forgot about it.
>>317673869
a friend of mine who loves a good RPG as much as me asked me what do i think of fallout 4 having pirated it, as he is reluctant to buy it
"its considerably better than fallout 3, considerably worse than NV. everything that made NV a better RPG than 3, has been completely stripped in FO4 in favour of way better gunplay and a more dense world map. if you want an FPS with a story and character customisation, AND YOU STILL HAVENT PLAYED DEUS EX 1, 2 OR 3, then give fallout 4 whirl. its decent. will definitely buy at sale prices"
>>317674264
get an instigating .50 hunting rifle and spec it, and yourself, for silent sniping
one hit kill pretty much everything even on survival. .50 hunting rifle is ez mode t b h
if you havent found an instigating rifle yet then go to hubris comics. when i went there there was 4 legendary ghouls that dropped in 2 shots from a combat shotty, i killed them over and over and reloaded til i got a good legendary. ended up getting that rifle
also, did everyone in the thread know that all the crafting skills are utterly pointless? the weapon i use is an instigating .50 hunting rifle with a marksman stock, long range night scope (because recon is goody as fuck, have that on my otherwise identical .308 tho), quick release large mag, silencer. all that good shit
i got it by finding and buying individual weapons that had those parts on them, and then going to a work bench and swapping them for the base level no skill check versions, and then adding the good parts to my main rifle as adding parts, unlike making them, requires no check. same goes for armor and melee weapons
>>317681850
Lotsa couriers were technically Legion, so yeah you have to be some level of badass. With the amount of shit that caravans have to deal with, I'm not surprised that any Courier would either be hard to kill or suave as fuck.
I loved having the designation as Courier from the beginning. Who wants to be fresh from the vault. I mean seriously. If Obsidian was told to handle a Vault-Dweller origin, they'd probably do it 10x better as well instead of me exploring the map, coming back with a gauss cannon and mid-tier armor only to ask "What's a super mutant" after I killed hundreds of them in the nearby city.
>>317673869
>include weapon variations for F3NV
>do not include weapon variations for F4
Someone is BIASED!
>>317686394
there are no unique weapons in FO4 though. theres stuff like Pickman's Knife or Reba II but you can just find a weapon exactly like those from killing legendary enemies
you cam say that the legendary effect makes the weapon unique but thats a bit of a stretch desu since you can find them anywhere. i've had like lucky hunting rifles in 70 hours or so
>>317686394
The variation is non-existent. For the majority of catagories, going down the list is an upgrade rather than altering the gun in a signficant way. You can change the ammo that's chambered, change it from semi-auto to auto to sniper, and then energy weapons can turn into plasma shotguns/snipers as well. If you really wanted to be generous, sure, you can call the Combat rifle 3 different weapons. Although why you can't just hit a button to switch it from semi to auto, who knows. Everything in FO4 is so barebones, its baffling what they did with their time.
>>317674351
I really like that "Elite" Raider outfit, it gives me Ranger vibes. Of course, it ain't Ranger outfit so it's still inferior.
>>317686524
There are workbench variations and unique modifiers. There is no conclusion from the fact that you are completely ignoring them other than you are biased. Either you're intentionally stirring shit up, or you're completely oblivious how biased you are, but you are.
>>317673869
To me it felt like fallout new vegas was a whole lot of something that amounted to a lot of nothing.
I like the quests though, but the exploration was terrible. The whole game seemed very linear, especially once you get around to new vegas.
The wasteland of the Mojave desert doesn't really seem like a wasteland at all.
The Dialogue system for fallout 4 is my biggest issue. That's just a personal preference though. I prefer to BE the character, not play as them.
the weapons in fallout 4 are not a huge issue for me. Gunplay was improved, and I usually only use a couple of guns in the fallout series anyway.
What they should have worked on was giving you more stuff to spend caps on, making the game world larger and more interesting and in depth, NPCs, AI, they should've kept skill points, and they should've made a more intuitive UI for PC users because the Pip-Boy interface is currently the worst I've ever seen even compared to Skyrim's UI.
>>317686598
i'm not OP, but i think he's drawing the distinction between a gun like lucky, which is a unique .38 revolver than can only be found in 1 location in the game and is significantly different from any other .38 revolver you can find or create anywhere else in the game, and Lucky Hunting Rifle* that you can, as i said, find 5 of in 70 hours, or create far better guns from randomly dropped guns from other mooks
i'm sure you can appreciate theres a difference
>>317686820
>The wasteland of the Mojave desert doesn't really seem like a wasteland at all.
Because it shouldn't? It's been 200 years since the bombs dropped.
