You didn't kill the best hope for humanity, did you?
>i don't like you
Of course I did. Fuck humanity.
>>317635119
>Siding with house
A slave obeys, anon; A slave obeys.
>>317635119
Thing is, he's kind of right, but I just want to be in his place.
>>317635419
>fedoratip.jpg
>>317635119
>there are people who killed the lolis
>>317635119
He only thinks he's in charge. As long as that terminal exists the courier can still pull the plug if House steps out of line.
>>317635119
If he's so smart, why didn't he see my betrayal coming?
Checkmate, atheists.
>>317635581
Why? House makes you his second in command, which is basically everything you got to do in game only now you have authority and as many drugs/hookers as you can use every night, with none of the responsibilities of actually managing a wasteland nation
MYBE
AYE TRUE TO CAESAR
>Give him the chip
>Want nothing more to do with all that bullshit, tell him we're done
>BUT I NEED SOMEONE LIKE YOU TO CARRY OUT THE NEXT PHASE!
>Nah, we're done. I got paid. I'm leaving.
>BUT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS!
>I don't care. I'm leaving.
>PLEASE! I'LL GIVE YOU TIME TO CONSIDER!
House is a sniveling idiot.
>>317636254
you'd think he'd just hire mercs to do it, rather than some random shit.
I just thought of something
>House had a hard on for robots
>Had the outdated securitrons
>Had a shitload of money.
Why the fuck did he never have any Synths? I know they were Institute, but I am surprised with all the tech he had that he did not have some link to them.
>>317635119
>House
>Best hope for humanity
Pick one. The Midwest Brotherhood of Steel is the best hope for humanity and they're the ones actually thriving.
>>317636351
That's an even worse idea
>>317635119
Of course not, the game ends when you die, retard
>>317636490
Why? He did mostly fine doing that before hand.
>>317635119
No, I sided with The Institute :^)
>>317636462
>BoS
>hope for humanity
um you know Fo3's version of the white knights I mean BoS isn't canon right?
>>317636661
You know the simpering faggots of the Capital Wasteland BoS are just a very poorly written ripoff of the Midwestern BoS, right?
>>317636552
He needs someone to be his right hand man, who can get shit done for him that he can't do himself because he's in a tube, or can't trust to his robots
Someone who, at the end of the day, he can actually trust beyond the next paycheck
>>317636661
You're confused. They are canon. It also says "Midwest" for a reason.
>>317636878
He should really look for someone who admires him for the big brain he has instead of just assuming I'll be that guy for no reason other than I finished a job.
>>317636751
that so fucking bad
Shame bethesda
>>317637050
The overlap between "One Man Murder Machine" and "Agrees With House" is fairly slim and he was running out of time, so he had to settle for the first and hoped the second would eventually happen
>>317636452
>bethesda
>canon
>>317636351
He can't hire mercs to do it because you're the only one who's been invited to Caesar's fort, because you've been inside the Lucky 38. Then again he could just let somebody else in and hope Caesar invites them after he sees that you're clearly not interested.
Or he could just hire some guys to attack the fort directly, I mean, he's fucking loaded so he should be able to pay for some elite motherfuckers to do it.
>i'll use my securitrons to hold everyone at bulletpoint
>put everyone to work and maximize efficiency
>i'll go into space and expand
>and just keep expanding
>forever
Might as well just put a bullet on everyone head and pulling the trigger. House don't care about humans, he's just insane and stayed too long as a machine. Pretty sure he would completely wipe humans out if he didn't needed them for his plans.
>>317636452
moments like these make me hate FO4
>>walk into the strip
>>house invites me in for no reason, first person in hundreds of years
>yeah fuck that, I fucked up, lost his chip, and now he's trying to trap and kill me, he just doesn't want to make a scene splattering me across his nicely controlled strip
>>3 hours later I realize I cannot possibly push the plot forward without him
>great, so it's not a trap, walk in
>"hurr anon, I need you to get the chip back"
>nigger I'm a courier, a courier too stupid to carry a tiny metal disk from point A to point B, neither of which is far away from one another, without getting ambushed in an environment which is flat sand for 500 meters in every direction, go hire some of the thousands of mercs in freeside to do it for you
>"no anon, it has to be you, you're special"
>fine whats the reward
>"1000 caps"
>bro I already have 5000 caps just making it to this fucking city, offer me more
>"no, 1000 caps"
>fuck, fine, for the sake of getting this story on the road
>"also if you find any snowglobes I'll give you 2000 caps for them, each"
>fuck sake house
>>go get the chip
>"ha see, this chip is a sick ass upgrade to my robots"
>why didn't you just code a new upgrade, it's been 200 years, even at a line a day you'd be done by now
>>fuck it and kill him
The smartest business man in the world, ran the most powerful pre-war organization in the states, single handed saved new vegas, and he turns out to be a fucking retard who died because he let a nobody into his impenetrable fortress.
>>317637719
>it's been 200 years
He was in a coma for 193
Who would win in an all out war: House plus New Vegas' defenses, Big MT, or the Institute?
>>317636452
You seem to be confusing Fallout 3 and 4 for mainline entries in the Fallout series. They're just spinoffs, and have no bearing on the canon of the Fallout universe. Knowledge is power; you're welcome. :)
>>317637913
The Institute can be destroyed by the fucking Railroad and all Big MT has are roboscorpions and lobotomites. I'd say House.
>>317637793
Try 70 anon.
>>317635119
>Siding with a crazy mummy
Fuck that, independent vegas with good karma is the only ending
>>317638051
There's a cut Bad End for OWB where the Think Tank destroy the Mojave, though
The ending is all about keeping them locked up inside Big MT or killing them because they're such a threat
>>317638051
House can be destroyed by a fucking mailman he blindly trusts for no reason.
>>317638142
No, he explicitly tells you he woke up just as NCR scouts entered the Mojave
That was 7 years before the events of New Vegas
>>317638356
No, he explicitely tells you he sent his secutrons out when the NCR scouts came.
The only actual date of his awakening is in the collectors edition game guide.
>House regained consciousness in 2138. Biding his time, he entered the world stage once again in 2274, when Securitrons under his command emerged from the Lucky 38. This action was prompted by the arrival of New California Republic scouts at Hoover Dam
>>317636452
House wasn't at full capacity. This is why he needed the chip for an OS upgrade. Also he only woke up in 2138 and revealed himself in 2274 to finally put his plan into motion. All he had was securitrons, he had no manpower to accomplish anything scientific.
>>317635119
No I did not kill Caesar. Fuck off House
>>317635119
>Siding with pseudo-benign, egoistic, incompetent leader hated or betrayed by everyone close to him
Come on, anon, he couldn't even keep tribals in line and he needed a loyal right hand man to do ANYTHING beyond barely keeping the peace with his killbots.
>>317639042
What does Caesar offer? His whole shtick is making a society that can "survive the Wasteland" and NCR has already done that
>>317639042
What's so great about a bunch of roman fetishists
>>317639042
>Dirty tribals
>Best hope for humanity
>start new save a couple weeks ago
>get to New Vegas and make a beeline for Lucky 38
>rush through conversation with Mr. House
>immediately begin setting up mines for the bots
>murder him with a switchblade
feels good man
>>317637913
Elijah with the Cloud
>>317635119
>10 intelligence
>10 charisma
> allies all over the Mojave
>big mountain tech
>compassionate but reasonable
I was just more qualified for the job than a relic of pre war ideals
>>317635119
>he bought into a few vague lines about going to space
>he ignored the actual ending of the game where none of it happens
>implying your speculation is worth more than the actual ending slides of the game where the the best NCR ending is objectively the best outcome for everyone who isn't a raider, save for a few retirees in Goodsprings who are just inconvenienced by having to move
How do people still make this mistake?
>>317640051
That's a funny way of spelling Wild Card my friend
>>317640051
>where none of it happens
The epilogues of all factions only detail what happens in the months/years immediately following the end of the game
You'll notice Legion endings don't include "and Caesar built his mighty society that put everyone to shame" and NCR endings don't have "democracy won the day and they rebuilt America"
But no, you're right, House said "in a hundred years I'll go to space" and the fact it's not in the epilogue is proof it never happens
>>317640051
>unironically thinks siding with the NCR is the best.
>muh similar to pre-war america!!!
>>317639263
>>317639263
No they haven't. They're coming apart at the seams. The literally can't protect their own people because they've spread themselves so thin whereas the Legion is built on assimilating the harshest parts of the wasteland into a coherent, stable society.
>>317639461
They aren't tribals anymore profligate
>>317639263
Sort of. They make it a point to show how little the NCR helps with shit outside of vegas and even within the walls, there are rebellions and poverty. There are also raiders and mercy all over the place. In Ceasars land, none of that shit flies cause they just kill anyone who posses them off and crucifies them to scare off anyone else who might try
>>317636452
Because House knows that actual AI is a mistake and shouldn't exist.
>>317640472
>Run around in ragged leathers
>Wield lawnmower blades taped to sticks
>Burns down towns just for plying their trade because MUH MORALS
Dirty. Tribals.
>Tfw all of America will eventually be Legion controlled after NCR's loss at the dam
Your son in F4 is more of a hope for humanity.
>>317640546
NCR doesn't help with the Mojave because it's not actually their territory yet, they're not going to police somewhere they're not getting taxes from
>>317640646
>not burning thieves
Pussy
(Y) HATE HOUSE
>>317635119
Only on my mad scientist villain run.
>>317639263
Some junk about people not depending on old world tech and learning to survive for themselves.
But then the Legion go on to be a bunch of back-asswards shitters who destroy and suppress actual medical and scientific knowledge that people could use to make things for themselves.
Also exterminating entire towns with dirty bombs and mass executions, because why not.
>>317640905
Actually there is a very specific reason why they do that. It's literally the ONLY way to make a society out of Wasteland, Fiends, tribals, cartels who control the economy, super mutants, and wannabe societies that have no hope of truly succeeding
>>317640848
Is that James from Autumn Leaves?
>>317639042
I killed Caesar, Vulpes, Lanius, and Lucius. I also killed the head of the NCR Rangers for his weapon, and proceeded to go on ahead with House, though I just disabled him so he couldn't do shit. After siding with Caesar only long enough to kill him in Et Tumor, Brute, the NCR hated me, so I had to let Kimball die.
Essentially, I removed everyone that could pose a threat to me in the future.
I still finished the game with good karma.
>>317636751
Wait, Vault City is confirmed NCR, but New Reno is free?
Also, damn, will the Midwestern BOS be the only surviving BOS group? They seem like the ones with the best shot. Given the west's low man power and inability to stop or ally with NCR.
>>317640848
>Home
>Not the Sink
>>317640221
Securitrons can't keep the BoS in check and establish a lasting peace with them, or run a relief effort in Freeside. It's better than House, but still falls short of NCR.
NCR>Yes Man>>>House>>>>>>>>Legion
>>317640423
>You'll notice Legion endings don't include "and Caesar built his mighty society that put everyone to shame" and NCR endings don't have "democracy won the day and they rebuilt America"
That's because none of those things are confirmed to happen. They could, but all we have to go on is what the ending slides tell us, which is that the NCR does the most good for the entire foreseeable future. You're putting future goals before actual, tangible results in the present.
>>317640443
Do I even need to respond to this non-argument?
>>317641215i actually killed Caesar too after I finished the game. I had to eat him, House, The King, and the President to power up my cannibalism
>>317641373
Because you wipe out the BoS and they are no longer a factor.
>even caring about anyone in freeside.
>>317640770
Isn't it stated that basically everywhere in NCR territory the officials are corrupt and useless? Even the president doesn't seem that great a guy.
>>317641373
>Allying Followers and BoS to NCR
Yeah, great idea. They've only been enemies with each other for decades, that's an arrangement that's sure to stand the test of time
>>317641594
this the NCR takes all the ideas of pre-war america. All the bad ideals, everything that led to the great war. NCR is full of greed and corruption.
>>317641506
>Because you wipe out the BoS and they are no longer a factor.
>implying genocide is better than negotiating a compromise that ends up helping both sides
No.
>even caring about anyone in freeside.
If you want the most "good" ending possible then yes, you should probably help people even if you don't like them that much.
>>317640848
>Gold Slouch
>>317641150
I have no idea who or what that is, so no.
>>317641318
I finished playing this guy before buying OWB.
>>317635579
>t. ncr kek
>>317638556
>biding his time for over a century
that's just bad writing
>>317641150
It's FISTO.
On that subject I'm not sure if I liked that mod or not.
>>317641613
>that's an arrangement that's sure to stand the test of time
As far as the game is concerned it does, since there's no implication that their truce will end any time in the future.
Lots of nations have been "enemies for decades" and eventually reached a peaceful resolution, just because they go to war once doesn't mean they can never be allies again.
>>317640743
The Midwest Brotherhood of Steel can steamroll the Legion any day of the week.
>>317635119
House always wins
>>317642628
>there's no implication that their truce will end any time in the future.
They're still at war in California in the NCR ending. One chapter made a truce that the NCR will probably break (again) after the Brotherhood starts harassing salvagers again.
>>317643073
weren't they retconned?
>>317643395
No? The general events of Tactics are canon but there are no specifics
>>317643395
They're alluded to in 3 and NV, with mentions of a Brotherhood faction operating in Chicago and Colorado.
>>317642063
Autumn Leaves is a story-based New Vegas mod. Pretty much a walking simulator/adventure game, but it doesn't pretend to be anything else.
It's actually great despite that, and it handles the different characters (there's only a few of them) and their growth really well. Since almost all the characters are robots, it covers the whole self-awareness issue, but it does it legitimately well and without seeming derivative, especially since the bots don't have true AI, just something resembling it. Sort of like OWB's personality modules, but higher-functioning. Or that story about the Quake bots that eventually stopped fighting each other.
It also has JohnnyUtah as a contributing writer and playing one of the characters.
>>317642628
They're not nations, they're groups with ideological differences. Differences that will not be smoothed over by what amounts to a very minor contribution to a single battle.
BoS and NCR both have hardliners within their ranks that despise each other. The Followers will eventually start to call out the government on the way they run the Mojave and the government will go back to calling them anarchists when they get too noisy.
>>317643286
>One chapter made a truce that the NCR will probably break (again)
>probably
>after the Brotherhood starts harassing salvagers again.
>a hypothetical event that isn't implied to happen
You're telling me that something will probably happen if something that isn't implied to happen eventually happens, and that this tenuous peace is somehow less acceptable than the genocide of an entire faction.
>>317642582
I thought it was great. It was well-constructed and well-presented. Doesn't tease at forthcoming sequels, doesn't add in any bullshit that feels superfluous to the plot or motivations of the characters. Choices still effect the ending.
It's a walking simulator/adventure game that doesn't claim to be revolutionary/groundbreaking/edgy/political and ends its story without any significant loose ends.
>>317643795
>They're not nations, they're groups with ideological differences.
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
>Differences that will not be smoothed over by what amounts to a very minor contribution to a single battle.
It's a start, and the ending slide talks about how they end up cooperating and doing business with each other in other ways.
>BoS and NCR both have hardliners within their ranks that despise each other.
So? That doesn't stop them from working together. Apparently they must not have that much influence.
>>317643795
>The Followers will eventually start to call out the government on the way they run the Mojave and the government will go back to calling them anarchists when they get too noisy.
When? Because once again the ending of the game says it never happens any time in the foreseeable future.
>>317641421
Caesar salad? :^)
>>317644229
I'm basing this prediction on the events of the game, not just on the ending slides. Nothing about the deal they made suggests the Mojave chapter has turned against the ideals of the Brotherhood that brought them into conflict over the Poseidon plant.
A truce is not a permanent arrangement, and the NCR doesn't leave its enemies alone forever. Some of them might try to ignore the Mojave Brotherhood and pretend everything's okay between them, but others will be planning and preparing for the next war.
>>317640743
NCR is LITRIALLY the worst thing that could happen to man kind
they were founded by a kike who beleives he can spread diversity and multicultrilisim across the world just like todays kikes even though he KNOWS it will fail because it was his vaults social expariment.
NCR=future Illuminati and blowing the world up again.
>>317636751
that map always makes me hate Lonesome Road
how the fuck was the Divide west of Primm but somehow not in NCR territory AND in a place vulnerable to Legion interference?
Jesus fucking Christ. The lenghts some people will go just to not admit they're wrong.
>>317645354
I'm pretty sure the worst thing that could happen to mankind was the apocalyptic nuclear hellstorm anon
>House
le robot dystopian Vegas
>Yes Man
COURIER IS GOD LE TOTAL ANARCHY XD
>Caesar's Legion
faggy /pol/tard manlet fascists
Don't Tread on the Bear, faggots.
>>317636751
Damn the Legion is huge.
>>317646414
>NCR
Corruption, Raiders and Annexation, Oh My!
>>317646557
>NCR
Democracy, freedom, and hope for the future
ftfy
I sided with him on my village idiot 1 Intelligence Power Fist only playthrough just to see what the outcome would be. I think the low INT. dialogue options were ten times more entertaining than hearing him drone on about pre-war America and there aren't even that many. I had the urge to whack his moldy spaghetti beard off with my piston accelerated metal fist device, but didn't want to read that pretentious note you get after murdering him.
>>317646784
>hope for the future
House and Legion have that too.
>>317646414
>manlets
>/pol/
>all the dudes are /fit/
>bitches are slaves but also /fit/
>niggers are cohort tier bros
>all about realism over idealism
Could you be more wrong
>>317647018
>slavery and killer robots
yeah no
>>317645301
Once again, you are telling me that two groups may eventually fight over ideological differences, and that somehow the mere possibility of them fighting is worse than one of them definitively being exterminated because they might cause trouble later.
>>317647152
Still better than being murdered by raiders inside your own border
>>317635119
>only hope for humanity
>2 computers and a few robots are his only security
>keeps his life support pod in a reachable place and has ZERO security inside the room with him
Humanity is EFF YOU CEE KAY EEE DEE than.
>>317647220
I'm not defending the extermination of the Brotherhood, I'm claiming it will happen in NCR ending with or without the Courier's truce.
>>317647152
>slavery
NCR uses criminals as slaves.
>>317640472
This image is really pretentious.
Not because it's long and tries to explain the Legion, many others have made longer posts that talk about the Legion, but because his points are meandering and retarded.
And those stupid images he's posting with that try to color the poster as some laid-back intellectual shedding light on a perspective people don't often consider.
>>317646557
>>317647364
>Raiders
>In NCR territory
>>317647749
>convict labor
>slavery
>>317647409
So then what difference does it make if I side with the NCR or not in regards to the BoS? In the best NCR ending they at least have some minor hope of surviving, and help out some caravans while they're at it.
And then everyone else is still better off, so what does it matter?
Remember that this argument started over me claiming that the NCR is the best faction, even if the BoS was absolutely certain to be exterminated by the NCR then the NCR ending would still be marginally better than the next best option (Yes Man) by way of helping Freeside.
>>317647803
>wah wah I don't like how some typical /v/ faggot put it so he's wrong
>>317646784
>democracy and freedom
>had the same president for 60 years
>only free if you join them, die for them and pay taxes
bruh all their ideologies have been proven to lead to failure within vault 15.
>>317636096
Literally this.
Putting myself in my character's position, I sure as hell would not have the knowledge, leadership skills, or motivation to try to manage an area like The Strip. Plus, even if I did pull it all together, the majority of my time would be taken up by trying to keep everything running smoothly. And then I die eventually. Who takes over then?
No, House is the best option. Even the epilogue says he gives you literally anything you want, and even lets you make some decisions here and there if you feel passionately about them. House comes off as a prick, but he's a good guy.
>>317648227
The points aren't wrong, I never implied as much, but they've been articulated much, much better with better reason by other anons. And without an obnoxious pretentious affect.
Why are you so upset I called him pretentious? Are you that guy? It would make sense given that only one or two people even responded to him.
>>317636751
FO: Chicago with MW BoS when?
>>317648308
House is the best option for the strip while Caesar's Legion is the best option for humanity.
NCR is the worst possible option, too.
>>317648265
>had the same president for 60 years
Elected repeatedly.
>only free if you join them, die for them and pay taxes
Aside from the "die for them" strawman part, that's correct. Because being a citizen means paying taxes, and paying taxes means you're a citizen.
>>317648118
>everyone else is still better off
Except for the Great Khans, the Powder Gangers, the poor in Goodsprings, and anyone who enjoyed the benefits of an independent Vegas.
>>317648816
House had plans to send people to colonize space eventually. He is the best hope for humanity to progress.
Edgy teen, the faction
>>317648265
Vault 15 produced two societies that have survived up to the present. How is that a failure?
>>317648975
>everyone else is better off except criminals and a few poor people
oh gosh
>>317649182
gary survived to i guess that was a success....because the test failed you fucking mongoloid.
>>317648816
Caesar's ideologies wont survive beyond his death without a suitable heir, which in game he doesn't have. Even with an heir, he would still have to transform what is essentially a gigantic, nomadic army into a proper society before he died, with the added difficulty of every Legionnaire being raised to be a soldier, not a citizen.
And even then, time will eventually erode what he has built until his new age Rome falls and humanity, at least the parts of it conquered by him, are in no place better or worse than they would have been under NCR or any other wasteland nation
>>317649512
>Caesar's ideologies wont survive beyond his death without a suitable heir, which in game he doesn't have.
Kill Caesar with Boon then Boon will tell you Caesar has a line of succession for when he dies.
>>317649342
And that's only if you play perfectly. NCR is perfectly happy to fuck up everyone's futures in their power grab. It's quite possible for every non-NCR character in the game to be screwed over after Eureka.
>>317649717
>suitable heir
His heir in game is Lanius
everyone but independent was a bunch of chucklefucks
House was a "run away from our problems with SCIENCE!" chucklefuck
Kimball was a greedy chucklefuck
Caeser was a ruthless chucklefuck
none of them would have run the Mojave properly. Even independent can be a disaster depending on the courier you are playing.
Face it, vegas is fucked.
Anyhoo, I've assembled my team in Dead Money, but need to go to my gay job in a bit, I gotta say it's not really grabbing me so far.
Seems like the next bit is just escort missions which are never good, I haven't found anything particularly groovy loot wise and there's too many long conversations for exposition that could've been better suited on a holotape. Characters are all a bit dull after Joshua Graham and the Survivalist Diaries. Not that I have much of a choice now, I just wanted to raise my level cap really.
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>>317649842
I thought it was between Volpes and Lanius and even then Lanius can rule through fear.
>>317635119He was delicious
>>317649860
> I haven't found anything particularly groovy loot wise
Keep playing to the end if you want loot. You are robbing a casino, after all.
If you really don't know what's at the end of this road, don't spoil it for yourself. Just go there. It's a very short dlc.
>>317649987
There is nothing at the end except for some loot you cannot take anyway.
>>317649972
>Lanius can rule through fear
Right, which means anything Caesar was trying to accomplish goes right to shit because the man doesn't understand the first thing about his ideology beyond "conquer people, forcibly integrate them, find new people to conquer"
>>317648975
>Except for the Great Khans
"During the Battle of Hoover Dam, the Great Khans quickly evacuated Red Rock Canyon and headed north and east into the plains of Wyoming. There, they reconnected with the Followers of the Apocalypse and rebuilt their strength. Bolstered by ancient knowledge of governance, economics, and transportation, they carved a mighty empire out of the ruins of the Northwest."
This is literally their best possible ending.
>the Powder Gangers
You mean those escaped prison convict raiders who are on par with the the fiends for being so shit that you get good karma for killing them? Every ending involves them either terrorizing caravans or getting killed, they deserve to be shot.
>the poor in Goodsprings
A few retirees in the smallest town in the wasteland. Good thing Primm is independent just down the road in the safest part of the Mojave, with no more Powder Gangers to attack them on the way there.
>anyone who enjoyed the benefits of an independent Vegas.
A few wealthy Casino bosses and the late Mr. House?
I guarantee you the NCR's relief effort in Freeside is helping more people than an independent Vegas ever did.
>NCR on one side? Legion on the other side? Me right smack in the middle? Nuh-uh. Too dangerous. So long.
I really wish there was a "fuck all of this" option to just walk away after getting or delivering the Platinum Chip.
>>317650196
Worked well for the mongols and I'm sure Volpes will call Lanius on his shit
>>317635119
Of course not, I sided with the Institute.
>>317650171
>loot you cannot take
You don't need to cheat, or even cheese it with dismembered body parts
You can just straight up walk out with a Stealth Boy
>>317650262
So... don't visit Caesar, or House? Or alternatively Yes Man since that's essentially what that is.
>>317650171
I took every last thing in the vault without cheats/console commands. Totalled up to about 1600lbs and I just strolled out with it because I'll be damned if I'm gonna let some old crusty building tell me what to do. I'm the motherfucking courier, I do what I want.
>>317650262
There used to be but it got cut because it confused the casuals.
>>317650394
You don't even need a stealth boy. You just keep out of Elijiahs LOS by hiding behind the generator to the right until he approaches the door terminal, then you just walk out because Elijiah apparently has the multitasking ability of a four year old.
>>317650421
Ruling the strip yourself is literally the opposite of having nothing to do with the whole situation and not getting involved.
>kill house
>take over the strip with yes man
>someone is puking on my street
>give him the old fist of justice
>yes man controlled robots gun me down
so what's the fucking point of taking over if yes man can just kill you
I'd be scared House would turn into a Big Brother type figure in the figure. He's just begging to anyways with that big ass mustached face of his on his computer. Eventually, if New Vegas got big enough, people under him would probably kill him and use his image to control the population. Better to kill him now.
>>317650645
Wut? it's confirmed that yes man upgrade was just to be only able to listen to you and you only.
>>317650749
>in the figure
I meant future
>>317650262
I'm super curious how Obsidian would have written the end situation for the Mojave if the NCR and Legion were left as they were when the game started and Mr. House had upgraded Securitrons.
>>317650598
>Ruling the strip yourself
Do you really think this is the Yes Man ending.
>>317650394
>>317650596
I'm pretty sure they either patched this, or it was some kind of glitch/exploit all along because I've tried doing it and it failed multiple times even with maxed stealth and a stealth boy.
>>317650804
his robots will still kill you if you do anything violent on the strip
>>317650549
sauce now nigger
>>317650645
you got keked
>>317640472
>Says we should survive off the wasteland
>Has an Auto-Doc to fix himself
Caesar is a massive hypocrite.
>>317650749
That's why he has the Courier. He knows he needs a counterbalance
>>317641304
that map is full of errors
>>317650964
I did it just last week on the most up-to-date version. It requires good timing. Normally Elijiah has omnipotent perception that will spot you even at 100 sneak if you run (well, walk at a crawl more like) towards the exit, even if his back is turned to you. But once he gets to a certain spot near the vault terminal it's like he instantly loses 100 IQ points and you can just get up and waltz away. I think it has something to do with the AI script for an NPC activating a terminal overriding everything else, but I'm not actually sure. All I know is it still very much works.
bottom line: requires very precise timing. If you don't know the exact timing it could take upwards of ~20 tries. If you know exactly when to move, it can be done in one or two.
>>317651073
And its confirmed that following that the courier had fuckall to do with it and left Vegas to its own fate, because the only order you gave was to not let anyone be in control of it. No gods, no masters, not even yourself.
Why does he not want the followers of the apocalypse knowing his secrets to immortality?
>>317640472
>No they haven't.
They literally have, retard.
>>317650978
An unchanged gameplay mechanic doesn't count
>>317649512
>Caesar's ideologies wont survive beyond his death
I fucking hate this meme. Did anyone listen to his dialogue tree?
Hegalian dialectics... Legion+NCR=Synthesis. A new legion.
Think a proto-feudal society. Mankind progressing once again.
The legion is the last, best hope for humanity.
>>317651460
>want to help people
>try and help everyone
>fail and help no one
Probably because they're naively idealistic and would fuck it up in a most spectacular way
>>317651470
Their government might survive, but you won't when you are stabbed to death by a fiend 10 feet from Camp Mccarran.
>>317650262
pretty much what >>317650421 says. I gave him the chip and said adios and ignored the questline.
Fucking around with wasteland defence and real time settler now
>>317650278
They'll be at each other's throats with a faction of the Legion supporting them. History will repeat itself and it will be Octavian vs. Marc Antony all over again,.
>>317651704
Yeah life in an active warzone beyond their borders can be like that. Me getting stabbed to death in Iraq doesn't mean Edinburgh is coming apart at the seams.
>>317651470
It's not going to last, dipshit. NCR is literally doomed to fall apart once the Old World tech finally gives out. And unlike the Brotherhood or even the Followers, they don't know how to replicate shit
why do even people bother with the gold in dead money? it's not like you're ever shot of moneys, it's too fucking easy
>>317651934
>they actively have industry producing things
>"hurr they'll fall apart once old tech gives out"
top kek
>>317651628
Except nothing in the game indicated that intended merger. In the game we got, NCR victorious will most likely obliterate EVERY trace of the Legion, leaving the rest to return to individual tribes to be squashed at a later time
>>317651995
Because they're irrational hoarders.
>>317651995
>let go, courier
I don't like being told what to do. im a hxc anti-authority rebel
If the game had told me
>be as greedy as possible, courier
I would have thrown every last bar into the deepest canyon and never looked back
>>317652042
You clearly haven't played the game if you think they'll be just fine the moment their tech dies out.
Congrats on following the story, retard
>>317650943
>>317652157
What tech would that be, exactly?
What are they so critically dependent on?
>>317652267
stimpacks rad away etc
>>317652157
>hurr durr u haven't played because you point out the gaps in my argument!
lol ok retard
Come back when you have an argument, k?
>>317652267
He's probably just baiting. The game establishes NCR has a functioning economy with factories and mills meeting demand for goods. More of their concerns are agricultural, or at least will be in years to come from when the game takes place.
Odds are he never played NV.
>>317651995
>implying I didn't just cheese the casino for a lifetime supply of convenient, weightless pre-war money
>>317651934
>NCR will collapse any minute now
>has lasted for almost a century
Sounds like future /pol/ trying to predict a happening that never will be.
>>317652567
might as well just use the console for money
>>317652267
Everything they find. Power plants, pumping stations. Hell, even though the game doesn't show it, they most likely use the vehicles that still clearly have enough juice to fucking nuke a small building. None of that is going to last forever. Meanwhile, the Brotherhood at least has enough intelligence to replicate weapon and other tech, but with limited resources and slower production time. Likewise, Followers have the knowhow to make medicine and are smart enough to document the knowledge they've salvaged along with the new discoveries they have made. NCR just acquires whatever they can, and then throws people with the scarcest skills to keep it going. But just about everyone in the game says that these things will not last forever.
The autism in this thread is off the charts.
Legion edgelords can't accept that CL were a bunch of scum.
House edgelords think machines can be trusted to rule living beings.
Uneducated edgelords that haven't studied enough to realize that democracy and a free market make the strongest nations in the long run. Seriously, it's not even up for debate, history has proven this.
>>317652424
You can make Stimpaks yourself in game out of desert flowers, so neither the knowledge nor the materials are particularly hard to come by
RadAway and Rad X might be harder to make but after 200 years, and with fresh crops and clean water, radiation wouldn't be quite as much of a concern for ordinary people
>>317652424
>people can still make those from necessary ingredients
>"NCR is going to collapse without stimpacks!"
>>317645436
1. scale
2. imprecision of the map itself (look at the northern border of ncr, this is clearly a rough drawing)
>>317652512
>lol, you have no argument
Neither do you if you're only defense is "Bb-b-b--b-b-b-b-bet you never played the game"
It's made clear that the factories they run are using salvaged tech, they aren't making new factories and building the machines to produce things in them. Everything is scavenged. More so the items using old world resources, the same ones that were in scarce supply when the Great War happened.
Christ, you're one dense fuck to think everything they have is going to last forever when it's literally stated to already be in short supply.
>>317652727
>NCR is salvaging stuff in ruined areas around a warzone
>this must be how life is back in NCR-proper even those the game doesn't show it and NPCs talk about it not being the case
goddamn that's some reaching
>>317635119
>Best hope for humanity
He was the best hope for Vegas and nothing more.
>>317643761
>johnnyutah
?
>>317652830
AHHHHHHHHH
>>317652657
>he thinks inevitable has to be something happening within an immediate timespan
The only /pol/lock here is you with such a retarded grasp on logic.
>>317652727
NCR is the reason Hoover Dam is operational at all, they have qualified engineers and the parts to maintain it. The Gun Runners flat out manufacture new weaponry and ammunition. They were repairing a railway and quarrying limestone to make concrete.
They're so far beyond simple scavenging it's not funny
>>317637719
>>why didn't you just code a new upgrade, it's been 200 years, even at a line a day you'd be done by now
he explains that at some point i believe but i can't remember it exactly
and yeah, house's backstory is pretty good but it's difficult to write a good chessmaster in the present without fucking up here or there
>>317652972
It's stated in the game, genius. Hell, Hoover Dam is literally a prime example of them salvaging something. And when you play for NCR, or at least until you turn on them, it's even shown that they're barely keeping the plant in top form.
>>317653079
The point still stands; it's not going to last. Do you think all the resources America pissed away before the bombs dropped magically respawned?
>>317652963
>you're only defense is "Bb-b-b--b-b-b-b-bet you never played the game"
>you're
says
>>317652157
>You clearly haven't played the game
kek keep trying though
>It's made clear that the factories they run are using salvaged tech, they aren't making new factories and building the machines to produce things in them. Everything is scavenged. More so the items using old world resources, the same ones that were in scarce supply when the Great War happened.
[citation needed]
92 years as a nation with characters referencing factories that make items not seen in the pre-war era and mentioning factories and mills to work at, and I'm suppose to believe your fanfic without a screenshot?
Play the game kid, you're not convincing anyone by arguing like a sperg.
>>317652734
>House edgelords think machines can be trusted to rule living beings.
House isn't a machine, and he believes in a free market anyway.
>>317652745
>RadAway and Rad X might be harder to make but after 200 years, and with fresh crops and clean water, radiation wouldn't be quite as much of a concern for ordinary people
I don't think we can really speculate on how Radiation works in the fallout universe. A traditional nuclear exchange at the height of the Cold War wouldn't even kill half the earth's population and the world would be habitable again in under five years, albeit with more cancer. Even if China and the US used salted devices in the Fallout universe, the radiation levels should be negligible after ~150 years, which doesn't seem to be the case as of New Vegas.
I just reinstalled NV after a while and I'm having an issue where suddenly I can't click anything. Pip-boy menus, conversations with NPCs, the pause menu, nothing. I have to force close the game and re-open it to be able to click.
Does anyone else have this issue?
I have no mods installed and I don't have a controller plugged in. Only a mouse and keyboard.
>>317653280
So we've gone beyond the original point of "NCR can't survive because they're just scavengers" to "NCR can't survive because one day resources will eventually run out"
Fantastic
>>317635616
a guy wearing a fedora is on high probability of being twice as big than a normal human.
he said fuck humanity.
so fuck you twice. faggot. yeah you're the one.
>>317653186
>a dam still exists
>logically everything else they use must also be salvaged even though you see them using new things
wow you're dense
>>317653280
You haven't made a point that stands yet. Bring some proof in.
You really think everything has last two centuries of use and literally nothing has been made even though in Fallout 2 you see things being made and people talk about plants building things?
>tfw arguing with a FO3 kiddie that doesn't know the lore
>>317653291
Only sperg is you with this high school tier dialect of yours. Oh, and one spelling mistake hardly counts as a discredit to one's own point. Of course, it's clear now you're the kid if you can't prove to the contrary.
>>317653421
>Fantastic
You rang?
>>317653561
I know it better than you if you really think their resources are unlimited. How about YOU play the game? It's stated that they can't survive forever on old world tech.
>>317653573
>"I can't prove my fanfic so I won't."
That's nice, kid. Try the game out, you might like it. You might even find some "evidence" for you theories.
>>317652150
Ah, to be 12 like you again,
>>317645354
>>317646276
Yeah I'm going with nuclear annihilation being the worst thing, followed by the FEV.
>>317635119
Of course I didn't.I kept him alive so that he could watch as I usurped everything he worked so hard to achieve.
>>317653773
its pretty great
>>317653760
Funny that you call the game you allege me to have not played as fanfiction when characters within have literally said what I have; that NCR isn't going to last forever if they cling to old technologies.
>>317653705
>nuh uh I know it better
Yeah I can tell from all your fanfic. Give Fallout 2 a shot too, you'll learn the lore and that'll help you when you try to argue it like now.
>>317635119
>You didn't kill the best hope for humanity, did you?
Why would someone ever side with someone who lies to you and distorts the truth just so he can get what ever he wants out of you?why ever side a with a business man who only cares about himself and his profits?
>>317649476
Then why bring it up?
>>317641373
>That's because none of those things are confirmed to happen. They could, but all we have to go on is what the ending slides tell us, which is that the NCR does the most good for the entire foreseeable future. You're putting future goals before actual, tangible results in the present.
yes, that's generally how long-term thinking works and it's basically what house said he was going to do all along.
the fact that the ncr brings a few immediate benefits is obvious because they have an existing empire with all the benefits that come with that. house has barely seized regional autonomy at the end of new vegas, he's been caught up between two much bigger and more powerful warring factions pretty much since he started rolling out.
the ending slides aren't meant to be the entire story. they're supposed to illustrate the most important thing about the character: that while he was a small part of a much bigger series of events, his actions caused major changes throughout the mojave whose effects will be felt long into the future.
>>317653878
>blah blah I still can't prove anything blah blah
That's nice, the game still proves you wrong.
>>317653927
If you're really so sure, then you cite the game, oh wise one. Because if you actually knew about it, you'd know what I'm referring to instead of acting like a terrible baiter.
>>317635579
He hires your services, though, and treats you well to boot.
>>317636452
Synths were created after the war. Securitrons were created before. House lost most of his influence when the bombs fell and nearly died. He has been spending all his time since scrabbling to reclaim his influence and power.
Securitrons are also military power houses.
>>317636462
>BoS
>Best hope for humanity.
Nooooope.
>>317637719
See points two in my post.
>>317637913
House, because he all ready has an army that outmatches anything anyone else has. He is supposed to have thousands upon thousands of Securitrons, and they're all equipped with Rocket Launchers, Grenades and Heavy Machine guns. House would probably annex Big MT anyway.
There are also the allies he got along the way like the Boomers, etc...
>>317654027
And you haven't proved anything either.
>>317635119
I just killed him today while following the Caesar's Legion questline. I intended to do all possible routes and decided to start out with the full retard choice, but it's such a shit faction that my interest in the game immediately vanished while playing their route.
>>317650262
>he needs the game to do that for him
I think the story in FO4 is fucking retarded. Like painfully, we're right back to FO3, this can't be happening levels of retarded.
So I ignore it as much as I can and pretend I'm a power armor salvager for the BoS and go around rescuing power armor with my dog.
I've completed a few quests by accident and had fun. That's the fuck all this option.
>>317644229
it's probably non-canon since it was removed and it definitely fits with house's motivations (he has a reason to hate the bos, their anti-technology shit is a huge drain on trade), but there were voiced lines in the game that hinted toward an option to continue house's storyline without destroying the hidden bunker and killing that bos chapter. there's even a mod that restores that content, see http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/37729
>>317654063
Sure. Give me a shot from the game backing up one of your claims and I'll provide one to refute it. Shouldn't be hard, right? I mean you HAVE actually played NV, right?
Logically since you made the claim first, burden of proof falls on you first. So I'll wait.
>>317654151
Because you're still not providing anything to be refuted, just your fanfic.
>>317653332
He isn't beholden to mortality, and in someone long lived like that, he's bound to go I sane. Purge.
>>317654326
>purge
brotherhood detected
don't you have farms to harrass or bunkers to circlejerk in?
>>317654261
Obsidian removed it because without something to make players stop and think about their choices, too many playtesters just plowed through House's questline without bothering to investigate the other factions
Independent is best, Vegas will for all intents be able to hold against literally anyone, even the OP Bethesda BOS
>Can shoot down their little blimp or Optimus Prime knockoff with the Lucky 38's Laser Cannons
>Has access to all of the boomers artillery and a functioning B52
>Tech from Big MT
>All those factions that can be working in unison
>Entire army of upgraded missile launching Securitrons
>Courier himself being overbearingly overpowered, only other MC that has a chance against him is the Chosen One
No Gods, No Masters
>>317654076
>Nooooope.
>Completely ignoring the word Midwest
>>317651079
The rest of the legion can't use tech because specific humans can choose to put it down but humanity as a whole cannot be trusted with that choice
>>317654261
Even then, House would still be worse for the Mojave than the NCR by doing nothing to help Freeside.
>>317654201
i do the same thing with power armor, except mine is at red rocket
>>317635119
>best hope for humanity
>implying he would ever let a single human being on any of his space ships
>>317654269
I've pointed out plenty. They are using a great deal of pre-war tech, which is directly stated in the game to not be forever lasting. The fact that you think it's all magically going to last forever and never run out when what scarce resources are left in the world dry up is beyond childish
>>317636462
>BoS
>Best hope for humanity
>>317654619
house's general strategy for places that aren't new vegas is that by elevating new vegas and making it a central trade hub for pretty much everyone everywhere, the benefits that vegas experiences will flow outward albeit at a slower rate
>>317654619
>house
>not invest in new industries to higher workers
you still dont pay attention fedora tipper
>>317654619
House would help Freeside when he has reason to do so. You can't rebuild high industry and go to space with just a bunch of casinos. You need a workforce, which needs to be educated, fed and housed.
Nor could he afford to skimp on it. People would have to want to live there over other places like NCR. It's in his best interests to eventually provide for the people outside the Strip
>>317645354
>they were founded by a kike who beleives he
>he
NCR was founded by a cute girl, you meet her in the first game
>>317636751
That map isn't possible seeing the radioactive super storms that are ripping across the center. Thanks Bethesda.
>>317654723
>"I've pointed out plenty of vague references in my fanfic without any citations of proof"
>"NOW REFUTE IT!"
If you can't back your claims up, I accept your concession. Try to be graceful about it at least. It's sad you seem so confused about technology and resources, but that might be common for you.
>Don't want to support NCR
>Feel obligated to due to being responsible for their growth and the Vet Rangers being ridiculously cool
>>317654516
>literally Legion with power armor
>>317654723
Good thing they're established as having steel mills, factories in the Boneyard, rail lines connecting cities, new mines, and more. I mean they're doomed when the sun goes cold but then we all are.
>>317654961
Aradesh (Tandi's father) was the first president and founder of the NCR
>>317650852
Without the time constraints, I'm sure it would have been brilliant.
