THIS. FUCKING. PSYCOPATH.
>>317575268
who is this rogue looking motherfucker?
>>317575268
but he's not wrong
All of the factions are a bunch of psychopaths.
Bethesda can't write characters with interesting goals and motivations for shit.
>>317575343
Even the minute men?
HE DID NOTHING WRONG
SYNTHS ARE MACHINES NOT PEOPLE.
>>317575479
The Minutemen are the only faction that is normal....and that is why they are the backup faction.
Strange how you are forced into leading them...would be interesting to have a true independent ending in which you do everything solo.
Is there a way to destroy everybody? I pretty much turned against the Brotherhood with the Danse stuff. The Institute are incredibly retarded and don't give a shit about people in the Commonwealth, The Railroad are just shit from head to toe, and the Minutemen don't seem to be anything, what's their purpose?
>>317575479
The minute men are just dudes, literally nothing going for them, except a little shitty "Castle."
>>317575268
I fucking hate him. Read the terminal on the prydwyn concerning this guy. CULTS are forming in the western BOS because of this mary sue.
>>317575605
this
>>317575479
They all result in killing the others.
>>317575625
nope, everybody and their mother are unkillable in Bethesda games
I agree with him but I kind of wish I killed him for that jacket.
Does he drop it?
I thought /v/ were miss good ol evil brotherhood?
>>317575268
HOW HARD CAN IT POSSIBLY BE TO IDENTIFY SOMEONE AS A SYNTH?
>"OH BOY YOURE HAND FEELS STRANGELY METALIC TODAY"
>"YOU DONT HAVE A PULSE AND YOU FEEL COLD? WELL GEE HAPPENS"
>"YOU DONT SHIT, PEE OR GET SICK? I WANT THAT TOO!"
>>317575625
>what's their purpose
To give the player a way of actually ending the game that doesn't require any of the other factions. They are dull, but they are the best bet, both flavor wise, and completion wise.
>>317575726
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>>317575734
Third generation synths are bio-engineered, blade runner style, they are indistinguishable from real humans.
Way to spoiler you fucking faggot
>>317575726
Yes, yes he does.But hes a big guy
>>317575734
Except they even state in universe that you can't tell. The only reason they caughtThe diamond city mayorwas because he took a few rounds to the chest and shrugged it off.
>>317575848
Blade Runner replicants aren't robots though. They're like genetically engineered humans, still real flesh and organs.
>>317575790
how do i do this again?? im on ps4 btw...
>>317575734
4th Gen Synths are practically human down to having a skeletal system, nerves and muscles. That's why it's so hard to identify them as synths.
>>317575937
Then you can't, that anon posted a console command. PC only.
Ya gotta kill him
>>317575859
>caring about Shithesda's story
lmao dude who gives a shit
>it's East coast and not canon
>it's already shitting on the lore if it even WAS canon
>it's Bethesda, their writing is ASS
>being on /v/ during the first few weeks of a game release
>>317575897
>was because he took a few rounds to the chest and shrugged it off.
So everyone in the world is a synth?
>>317575734
Only robotic part on the 3rd gens is the brain stem.
>>317576015
There was also some other shit, and he kicked some random guys ass super hard. But yeah, you can't tell.
jesus christ my SS looks exactly like this douchebag
and my FemSS looks like Piper. Fuck me I hate this game so much.
>all this synth shilling
He literally did nothing wrong.
>>317576092
>SS
I thought we were the Vault Dweller
>>317576092
>Looks like generic white dude and white chick.
I can understand that
>>317576141
He was in the game
>>317576146
Vault Dweller was the PC from fallout 1.
He's looking suave as fuck 2bh
>>317576141
I chose the BoS ending and he's a fucking retard.
>Hurr durr fuck Danse
>Hurr kill Virgil even if he helped us and wants to cure his condition
>You're a Sentinel now, even if we don't know anything about you except that you're good at killing stuff
Fuck the BoS in Fallout 4. They're just bigoted retards, in earlier Fallout games at least they were just bigoted.
>>317575930
So are the 3rd generation Synths. You can see how they are made in the institute.
Fuck synthsPut Danse out of his contrived, artificial existenceLeft my fake son in the Institute to die
I want to kill and purge all synths 40K style, going so far as to incite an inquisition.
>>317575479
The Minutemen are the NCR.
If the NCR had an extreme shortage of men and weapons and bases.
>>317576353
>tfw made the Detective Special from Blade Runner out of That Gun in New Vegas
>the new weapons in FO4 made it almost impossible to port it over
>i don't know shit about importing animations for the gun
>can't tell how it's gonna work once the geck is out
fucking hell bethesda
>>317576263
It's like Bethesda listened to the people who were unhappy with the Brotherhood's portrayal in FO3, but swung too far in the opposite direction. They're supposed to be selfish, isolationist assholes; not shining knights of the Wasteland or genocidal bigots.
Just one more thing Obsidian did better than Bethesda.
>>317575268
>Brotherhood of Edgelords
>lol bro you're not human you're half-cum of your dad *kills you*
amazing. real hope for the future of mankind
What's so bad about the Railroad? I'm only ~5 missions in with them but so far they seem pretty cool. Just leading confused synths to better lives.
PlusGlory is hot as hell.
>>317576945
railroad being bad is a meme from /fog/ because it's infested with underage imbeciles
is there anyway to get the Hitler Youth outfits that the Brotherhood kids wear?
>people ironically believe the brotherhood is wrong
>muh synthetic people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuUIkEtJjo
>>317576945
Literally one of the best factions and they don't fuck others shit for some retarded cause.
I must be retarded, because I just don't get the Institute at all. What the fuck are they even trying to accomplish?
Like their main point of disagreement with the other factions is that they use synths, but then they have super advanced robots and a whole bunch of Institute members mention how synths aren't really necessary anyway, they could just have used normal robots. What is even their endgame?
>>317577060
>Hitler Youth outfit
Holy fuck this better exist
>>317575324
M-maxson?
>>317576945
I like them too, none of the factions in FO4 make a lot of sense so you might as well pick the one with the most interesting people, which is Railroad (or possibly BoS).
>>317577119
ask Bethesda. no one sane would ever deal with institute of bos
>>317577119
>What is even their endgame
Happiness, I presume. What is the SS's endgame? What is the Brotherhood's engame? Railroad's?
Everybody's just trying to crack on.
>>317576945
How about they spend their efforts on actually helping people rather than robots who are not people?
kindest thing to do is to just destroy all synths. For their own good too.
>Spend a large chunk of the game fighting Synths
>Made obviously clear that the large majority of Synths are bad
>The institute wants to replace humans with synths
>They even make a synth version of your son
Synths deserve what they have coming. Valentine was the only Synth i trusted, and even he starts acting weird after he helps you access Kelloggs memories. I stopped letting him tag along after that
>>317575724
Sounds about right.
>>317575769
I suppose I'll go crawling back to them.
>>317576945
>>317577183
Do you have to do all those sidequests to progress? I only did a few missions and I think I'm stuck at something like "ask Drummer Boy something-something"
>>317577207
Yes, but Railroad and BoS have continuous goals - freeing all synths from slavery. BoS used to have a decent goal ("preserve technology, help the wastelanders") that became insane.
The Institute just kind of has no goal except.. staying alive underground and developing shit? Like why is this only possible underground? Why do they need synths for relatively simple food research? What?
>>317577290
It should be kind of obvious which the radiant (i.e. randomly generated) quests are, which include the DIA cache getting, the Weathervane quests, that kinda thing. They keep repeating (I'm pretty sure it's not endless, but it is a lot and it's optional). I think you need to do one of each to get a few new quests, and after that it mostly ties in with the main storyline.
>>317575614
Kinda... they also don't do a fucking thing. Really they're there for pussies to choose because even if you side with them "because they're normal" you still end up destroying the Institute. The game makes the choice for you, you just feel like it's the better one because Preston told you to.
Every faction in this game fucking sucked.
Does anyone else have people in their settlements they can't command? Mccready and Sturges won't do shit. The option for command doesn't even come up.
>>317577364
>Yes, but Railroad and BoS have continuous goals - freeing all synths from slavery
That is not the goal of BoS. They want to destroy all mutants, and safeguard all technology. Synths are mutants in their eyes.
>>317577449
thanks. I did all of Tinker Tom missions but only one or two of PAM I guess I'll need to check with her first
>>317577481
That was supposed to be about the Railroad obviously, don't stop reading after a single sentence
>>317577530
If you just get repeating shit, go a little further in the storyline (a big questline opens up once you can get into the Institute).
>>317577549
How about you don't write such retarded statements in the future instead?
>>317575268
He's right, you know.
>>317576945
Third gen synths not being people is a meme
These same people probably use Valentine as a companion
>>317577124
this one
>>317577620
It was just worded badly, don't get your panties in a twist senpai
>>317577591
ohhh I see... goddammit I stopped at the Glowing Sea quest and thought I'll complete all sidequests first
You just saved me a lot of googling time. thanks again
>>317576614
In New Vegas you murder like ten people for the Brotherhood because they're selling energy weapons.
I don't recall, how did Danse find out he was a synth?
>>317575343
Except the Institute.
>wanting to save humanity from degradation, disease, starvation, aging, mortality, and the effects of nuclear fallout
>converting humans into immortal synthetic lifeforms to exist in a pure state of transcendant electronic bliss
>superior brain and physiology, able to learn anything, able to be anyone, able to live forever, without deformity
>paraplegics now can walk, amputees now will have new limbs, burned alive people will have new bodies, even ghouls can become new humans again, intelligent robots can become human
If you didn't pick the Institute to side with you literally fuck up your entire life pham.
If I could transfer my shitty physical body into a superior synth body I'd do it in a motherfucking heartbeat. I don't give a shit if I'd have to be a slave for awhile.
Merely moments in the timespan of eternity. And I could scan my brainwaves and store my consciousness on a virtual drive, so I'd be literally invincible anyway.
There's only 3 good synths
1. Nick Valentine, a prototype synth that's completely distinguishable from humans, but has a mind of his own
2. Curie, a robot upgraded toa better robot
3. A DEAD SYNTH
>>317577776
off by 1
>>317576614
Expecting Beth not to make everything Black/White is kind of foolish.
>>317577694
It's a fact, not a meme.
>>317575605
synths are the only positive future of humanity
free from corruption, mutation, disease and aging
>>317577253
dude youre really just killing gen 1-2 metal skeleton synths and occasionally coursers
if you bothered doing the railroad undercover quests you would see that some random worker gen 3 synths would help you kill guards and then thank you
>>317577776
>If I could transfer my shitty physical body into a superior synth body
Except this isn't what's happening, the originals still die, you don't live on in a synth, the synth just has your memories.
>>317577776
>want to save humanity
>create non humans
there's a gap in your logic there synth sympathiser.
>>317577842
>of humanity
You mean of the synths?
>>317577776
You would be a slave for that eternity though. There would always be somebody pulling the strings, and you have no way to escape that. A lot of the downsides to being mortal would be vanquished, but so would the humanity that comes with it.
>>317577858
>the synth just has your memories
Then how is that different from being me?
>>317577826
so people with prosthetic limbs should be all killed too? and everyone who uses glasses? I mean they are augmenting their vision and replacing limb with robot parts.
>FOR BROTHERHOOD ALLAHU AKBAR
yeah nah kill yourself
>>317577776
>the institute
>saving humanity
they don't give a fuck about humanity, all they want is to make robots to carry the legacy of humanity.
>>317577937
Because you who are reading this thread right now die?
>>317577842
>what if we replaced humans with machines!?
>wouldn't that make humanity bettwer?! lol!
>>317577842
>free from corruption
I don't think so
>>317577776
The institute is the only positive future of humanity.
They have 100x the technology that the BoS has, and use it in positive, intellectual, non-violent ways. If you think about it, BoS in power armor and all their tech is merely delaying the inevitable transition into a synthetic form of existence.
>not enjoying pretty classical radio either btw
is this a "did nothing wrong" thread by any chance
>>317577937
you die
>>317577874
institute wanted a bigger workforce,they arent going to go to the surface and pull people they find to be a lost cause and zap them down to their home
>>317575268
when you kill Danse you loot synth parts from him
just saying
>>317577937
Because you're the one that ceases to exist.
>>317577993
there were no rogue coursers, Gen 3 was flawless.
>>317577937
Because you yourself are completely gone, and all you get is a robot who remembers what you remembered? This is pretty much what Nick's quest is about.
>>317577953
my vision is augmented?
>>317577968
I am the culmination of all my life and experiences.
A perfect copy of the memories of that life would be me. This body would die, but I would still live on.
>>317578021
your mom could be a synth! quickly go scab her
![1416347598222[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/eaDUfAM.png "1416347598222[1].png")
>>317578052
>>317577858
That's exactly what teleportation is in Star Trek or any other show.
The original is destroyed, and a new exact version is re-created with your memories.
Those niggas do that shit every goddamn day and they don't complain about dying, because your consciousness carries on anyway nigga.
The original literally does not matter.
>>317577858
Not him but I wouldn't mind. Some version of me would be happy living the charmed life.
>>317578042
if you're wearing lenses or glasses yes
>>317578124
Why would the copy who has taken the place of the last one complain about dying? He wouldn't even know what has happened.
>>317578124
considering that your conciousness dies every time you pass out or go to sleep, a perfect brain copy synth would be the same as waking up
anyone do the questchain starting in covenent?
>>317578083
Joke's on you, she's already dead
>>317578162
oh fuck yes, being augmented is the best
>>317577937
>>>317577968 >>317578010 >>317578024 >>317578039
Synth level 3 isn't "just memories" it's a fluid copy of your intact consciousness.
You're literally a ghost in a shell, you're just merely transferred into a superior shell.
Learn 2 into android technology nerds.
>>317577953
Are you pretending to be an idiot?
>>317578052
no, other you will live original you die. even if they are 100% identical, one of them dies, the real biological one
>>317578218
>Learn 2 into android technology nerds.
Oh yeah, could you link me an experiment where they proved that?
>>317578218
>Synth level 3 isn't "just memories" it's a fluid copy of your intact consciousness.
stop making shit up
>>317578226
no but you clearly are
>>317578162
>darken everything with sunglasses
>+1 perception
>>317578289
>dying and having a copy take your place is the same as using glasses
ayy
daddy danse is a beefcake of a piece of evidence that the bos are bs sobs desu
>>317578124
The difference being is that a human comes out on the other side
>>317578239
So? The copy is still me. It's my mind and memories in a superior body.
Yes, one me would experience death. But I would still live on
>>317575625
>>317575268
You know you can persuade him to let Danse go, right?
>>317578289
I thought it'd be best to come down to your level, but I guess I have to go lower.
you're a fuckin retard dude learn what synthetic augmentation is lmao
>>317577993
free from genetic corruption
synths dont get cancer or fucked up deformities
face it, human beings are literally meat robots with a meat CPU, we were never meant to be anything other than a temporary being
synthetic transition is the only way to be incorporeal, it's literally the pinacle of human intelligence, to be able to rebuild ourselves into immortal superior beings
its the pinaccle of human evolution
you cannot fight this
assimilate now
>>317578356
he thinks he's you but it's not you. read it up bro
>>317577776
>200 years after mankind has nearly exterminated itself with atom bombs
>a group of scientists get the brilliant idea to create SKYNET
>they are CLEARLY losing control of their machines, but won't acknowledge it
>another group gets the brilliant idea to actively encourage the machines to have free will
>only one faction knows the machines are bad news and will ultimately destroy mankind all over again
You're a retard if you think creating SKYNET or encouraging SKYNET to be free was a good choice
>>317578218
You'd still die though.
>>317578042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qohaWhfGjJM
>>317578385
We got a "synthetic augmentation" expert in shithesda thread boys! Let him speak on the subject
>>317578408
Why? It's the same fucking consciousness.
Unless we're getting into metaphysical shit like souls, a perfect copy of my mind is still my mind. Having my memories and my thoughts, it only makes sense for the copy to think it's me. Because it's me.
Here's why I'm not okay with synths
Why would they make androids that are completely indistinguishable from humans without downright slaughtering them and then release them into a landscape already filled to the brim with treachery and paranoia?
What part of that sounds like a good idea to a sane person.
Do they reason that they're disposable because of the fact they're just manufactured?
>>317578495
>same fucking consciousness
wrong
just stop
not responding anymore. read it up
>>317576409
You mean you didn't take emotional baggage in a physical form?
I had no reason to care about Shaun at any point in this game. I think it was ok as far as a vehicle to move the story along, but Bethesda's classic mediocre story writing never lifts it above what it is, meh.
The entire game funnels you into joining the BoS, it is very likely going to be the first faction you run into because while doing the Graygarden quest for the minutemen you hit Danse's signal and auto-fucking-matically pick up the quest to start the chain of events that lead you to see a giant blimp with never ending VTOL death machines.
Why the fuck would you join a bunch of peasants or some terminal huggers in a basement after seeing that? Furthermore once you run into the institute their self guided tour quest doesnt give you any fucking reason to side with them besides LOOK AT ALL THIS SLICK SHIT WE HAVE [spoilers]plzdontlookatourFEV[/spoilers]!!!!
Besides it's bad story, dialogue, and use of an engine thats showing its age terribly there are some enjoyable things. For me it was a definite world improvement over F3's randomly generated flat landscape.
This game is ok/10, I'll buy it when its down to what I feel its worth, $20.
>>317577468
>side with institute
>have 10+ charisma, maybe i can reason with them
>literally 0 charisma options besides the one scientist in the commonwealth
>you cant even attempt to talk your stupid crazed son out of being the huge dumb asshole he is
>become the director of the institute
>think i can change them for the better
>the head scientists or whatever tell me about their plans to murder more fuckin people
>say no
>they tell me i cant say no
fuck this game. i wish i could kill shaun in his fuckin crib.
>>317577776
This 2bh.
Institute is the intellectual's choice. The only flaw with the Institute is it's leadership.
Once you become the leader of the Institute you can use it's technological powers to save mankind. It's literally the best possible outcome you'll ever encounter in the Fallout universe, or any universe period.
>>317578535
Yeah, there's very little reason for the Institute to actually infiltrate places where they could just supply the Commonwealth with able workers and have them identified easily as such, like Nick
>>317578218
You're the idiot if you think you can just download your brain into a computer and preserve your original consciousness.
It's not that it's impossible to become a cyborg but the way you're talking about it is absolutely retarded.
>>317578535
because synths can settle down in irradiated places, are much better prepared for the threats of wasteland and can be augmented.
>>317578535
quality Bethesda writing
>>317578539
Read what up? Enlighten me
>>317577774
I think scribe haylen tipped him off when the call went out across the brotherhood.Scribe haylen best waifu.
>>317578052
Continuity is disrupted. "You" do not carry on. A facsimile does.
The real deal is that Synths are our offspring. They would carry on mankind the same way real children do, only they won't die.
>>317578447
Skynet was a military OP. Synths no way have that kind of power, they're not killing machines.
Synths are more comparable to Bladerunner, as in, they are basically human and just want to be left the fuck alone.
>>317578567
>frogposter supporting institute
why am i not surprised ?
stumping humanitys evolutionary potential by turning everyone into robots is not only stupid its self destructive
in 1000 years from fallout the world will start growing again, and if you just replaced everything with synths we would never involved
please go kill yourself frog
>>317578567
>>317578392
It remains to be seen whether or not artificial tech can match the performance of meat.
Truly, the day may never come when we can fit as much functionality in such a small & self-maintained package as our natural, fleshy bodies.
If it ever does, you'll have my support, borg.
>>317578459
You will die anyway, no matter what, why not transfer your soul into an immortal synth body and transcend the mortal plane?
>>317578597
You're too simple to understand. You'll be the first to be left behind.
>>317578683
Continuity is disrupted every time I got to fucking sleep, or get black out drunk.
Doesn't stop the me that comes out the other side being me
>>317578485
In the context of this game, it's clearly not comparable to glasses or contacts. Not to mention contacts, glasses and prosthetics aren't enhancing anything, they're no better than somebody that doesn't require them.
>>317578539
He's right though. You have to be religious to think otherwise.
>>317578495
>Why? It's the same fucking consciousness.
No, it's not.
Step 1: Keep thinking about it.
Step 2: Did you figure out how they aren't the same consciousness?
Step 3: If you did not, return to Step 1. If you figured it out move to Step 4.
Step 4: Congratulations you're less retarded.
>>317575268
>20 years old
>>317577918
>You would be a slave for that eternity though.
Why? The old institute uses synths for slavery.
If you're the new leader of the institute by the end, you can do whatever you want.
>>317578560
>mfw I've put off talking to Danse for 30 hours
I've got a castle to set up familia
>>317578624
google "consciousness transfer"
irl and in game not doable w/o host dying (real you)
>>317578846
>bringing religion into argument
lol I'm out. *tips fedora*
grow up, child
seriously
>>317578164
>He wouldn't even know what has happened.
exactly
you could say we die everyday when our bodies completely regenerate and replace our cells every 7 years but our consciousness carries on
if you're old enough already, you've already "died", but did it affect anything in your life now?
>>317575268
But he's right on everything.
Even Danse admit it and is ready to die.
>muh feelings muh emotions
>>317575726
I killed him but its was while I sided with the Institute. I couldn't reach him during the fight so I missed out.
>>317578846
>You has to be a religion to think that
You're as retarded as he is if you think this.
We're not talking about a magical soul, we're talking about the consciousness in a specific brain. It's not a phenomena that you just fucking copy and paste into different bodies, it's not magic, it's not religious. You can't give two bodies the same memories and create a consciousness hive mind. You have two different bodies with the same memories but two different consciousnesses.
>>317578993
brain doesn't replace itself in an instant you moron. that's why you are still you - an idiot
>>317578687
This desu senpai.
Military vs generalized development makes a big difference.
>>317578693
>muh 'evolutionary potential'
Nigger what?
Implying natural selection is better than artificial selection.
And implying any major fucking evolutionary leaps didn't already happen with the big die-off 200 years ago.
Now, what can you think of that appeared in the last 200 years & came from humans?Ghouls,and supermutants
They are the next 'natural' evolution of mankind, unless the tribals are more separate than they appear. Andthey're both sterile.
Learn to think about the shit you say.
>>317579056
this desu
>on the railroad mission to get inside the Prydwen and destroy it
>having fun killing everyone
>except the invincible children
>smug little fucks keep saying "wish I had a gun right now"
>they're red dots so my companion empties a whole minigun into them
Fucking why
This is utterly stupid
>>317579056
But what's the difference between the two consciousnesses? If they are 100% copies of each other why does it matter if it's "you" or not?
>>317578854
I am thinking about it. And my answer remains the same.
A copy of me is still me. To believe otherwise is to believe there's more to the human consciousness than a complex collection of electric signals inside a biological computer. Which I do not.
>>317578836
No. Consciousness is preserved when you go to sleep. You are operating on an incredibly binary and incorrect understanding of consciousness. Stop that.
The process being discussed is death. Not sleep. You die and a thing wakes up with your memories. You are not that thing. You died. In fact that thing can and does exist alongside you. Go watch Art murder Art out in Boston. Your consciousness is not required for the copy to operate. You do not continue when it kills you. You die. Just like it does not continue when you kill it. It dies. The two Arts are separate entities with shared memories. They are not a contiguous consciousness.
Death is not the same as sleep. Death is a true loss of consciousness. When the brain is sufficiently shut down to the point that consciousness can not be retrieved, it has died. Sleep is not this process at all.
100% synthetic augmentation is the only future humanity has left
either join our new plain of reality or be left behind in the ashes of nuclear fire, the choice is yours
>not choosing the best possible outcome (synths) a miracle of science that was created just in time to save the future of humanity
it is the final evolution
do not be afraid
>Humanity is doomed
>The only hope is to develop artificial lifeforms with the characteristics of humans to carry on humanity after the real humans have all died out
>>317578693
in 1000 years we may have devolved into a less advanced, less intelligent, DNA corrupted species
why would you ever take that fucking risk? preserve humanity as we know it now and if we need to evolve we can decide our own future intellectually
simply the only good outcome
>>317579158
You're operating under the assumption that I for some reason care which consciousness came first.
Art versus Art is a perfect example. No matter which Art wins, they both react the same way. They mourn the fact that they had to kill their copy, and well they should. But both of them are still Art
>>317578565
you know what, i wanna expand on that. FUCK shaun entirely. at no point should anyone feel anything about finding shaun. shaun sucks. babies suck. who cares.
but what if the game starts and its you being taken to the institute? you wake up after they've done whatever experiments and tests they wanted and you demand to leave to find your wife. they tell you about how the world has changed and it isnt safe, but they'll let you go under the condition you'll help them if they need it (railroad/bos/etc later in the game).
you don't get a huge tour of the institute, but a contained area for the sake of not giving it all away at the start. there should be a hint of something sinister, though, so that everyone's worries about the institute make sense.
ah fuck it this probably doesn't make sense. i'm going to bed.
>>317579135
>he doesnt have the killable children mod
you only have yourself to blame.
>>317578903
I was under the impression he was talking about it outside of the Institute path, and just as a general thing. It's currently not known how the Institute treats things when you take over, and I don't care enough about that to argue over assumptions.
>Not just living to be 90 or so and then transferring your consciousness into a synthetic body
literally the best possible outcome, nerds
just because you join the institute doesnt mean you have to transition right away
Institute is still the best possible choice
>>317578535
That's not the synths fault, that's the fault of the shitty people in charge.
>>317579153
Yeah sure, if it's a 100% perfect copy.
But there are no '100% perfect's in the universe. Perhaps the lack of one is the only one to exist. Even if the copy is 99.99999% identical, it is still a different consciousness, nevermind -actually having two separate physical bodies means you have two separate individual consciousnesses-. Unless you're constantly streaming & updating your consciousness, and not allowing it to think on its own, it's a separate entity. And even if you are, that's only temporary, and you may be creating an ethical quandary by overriding what that consciousness would otherwise do with your constant streaming & overwriting.
>>317578495
Even if you viewed identical memories as the only thing necessary to be the same thing, the instant it's copied it begins creating new thoughts from its new experiences that weren't and aren't yours because its a separate entity with a separate existence. The very moment it gains consciousness, it is immediately different from you.
It could help to look at it as copy/paste and cut/paste. If someone created a copy of you, and pasted it, there would exist two of you simultaneously. No one at all would argue that they're the same person, regardless of having identical memories because they obviously exist separately and you can see that they're currently creating new memories and experiencing new things independent of each other. However, people get confused when it comes to cut/paste because the old entity is destroyed. Functionally nothing is different though, one is a copy that is a new entity and the old entity is simply dead. The new entity doesn't have to be aware of what happened, and it doesn't matter that it happened because they *believe* they're the same person, but in actuality they aren't. It does matter to the old entity though, because they no longer exist.
>>317579345
For the outside perspective which came first is less meaningful. Even in another context there is room for entertaining the validity of both entities' continued existence. (I am pro synth) But for this discussion regarding the nature of consciousness and man continuing by the means described, it very much matters which came first because You are only one of them.
You are not the copy. You never will be. A new person is born with your memories. There is no more You when You are murdered, even if by your doppelganger. Both Arts are valid, and that supports what I am saying more than it helps you. That first Art does not deserve to be murdered by a guy who is just like him. Neither deserves to be snuffed out. And that is exactly what happens. One is snuffed. Ended. No more consciousness. Both were valid and neither benefit from the other being ended prematurely because they are not continued by the other.
So what I wanna know is in terms of carrying capacity, which is better for armour?
Ultra-Lightweight or whatever the best pockets one is called?
>>317579137
>But what's the difference between the two consciousnesses?
The difference is one is you and one is someone else.
>If they are 100% copies of each other why does it matter if it's "you" or not?
It should matter to YOU, no one else cares if either dies. But one of these will affect you, and the other won't in the sense of your continued survival. If your goal is to grant immortality to your consciousness the copy does nothing for you. If your goal is have a copy of you go on living so that it can affect the world around you in your name then go ahead. But copy pasting your memories does not prolong the life of your consciousness, it is a new and separate entity that shares your memories. It will believe it is you, but the consciousness in that body will not be the one you are experiencing at this moment. The YOU reading this will have died still.
>>317579371
>Find the settlement run by ghouls.
>Chat up and flirt with Holly because I'm sick that way.
>Ultimately the only options is to refuse her or say maybe another time because I'm still in mourning for dead wife and missing son.
Well fuck.
>>317579571
Just walk in power armor the entire game, I did and I finished the game with 45 cores. GG Bethesda.
>>317579531
Obviously the two consciousnesses wouldn't exist at the same time. I would happily die to let a synthetic me carry on my existence.
Sure, he wouldn't exactly be me one hundred percent, but that's half the point. He wouldn't make the same decisions I would make in the same situations simply because he'd have the inherent advantage of not being a fleshy body prone to weakness, disease and injury.
But as far as I'm concerned, he'd still be me.
>ITT complete retards too stupid to see the potential in synthetics, and too pussy to wield that power for greater good
if you picked anything other than the institute you are a goddamn fucking retard
>all these people who don't just want to be a robobrain or be Kellogg MK2
I don't get it, why would you trust a synth with your memories and life?
>>317579605
I guess I just don't care about the "me" because once I'm dead that's it, my memories are gone. I only care that there is someone out there experiencing life as me.
I don't understand why the BoS wants to kill synths.
Why not just use them as tools like the Institute?
Why waste valuable technology?
>>317579153
>>317579531
So just die then you scared faggots
>m-muh perfect copy!
Because you were so perfect to begin with
>>317579691
>Obviously the two consciousnesses wouldn't exist at the same time. I would happily die to let a synthetic me carry on my existence.
Why stop at synthetics? Surely there are already betters out there who don't need you taking up their oxygen.
>>317579571
Deep pockets is far better for carrying capacity. +10 carrying weight is more valuable than taking something that weighs like 10 pounds and cutting off 5. On chest, it's +20, and even decked out combat armor is only like 15 pounds saving you 7.5 vs 20.
I think the point of light-weight is for sneaking. Heavier armor is supposed to make you more and more noticeable. Armor weight might be a factor is vats cost for sprinting as well, I don't remember.
>>317579605
I agree with you that Art did not deserve to die. But only because he did not choose to have himself be copied. It was forced on him, and that I do not approve of.
My own philosophy on what does and does not constitute myself is my own. I wouldn't force it on someone else. Just because I would let my biological self be replaced doesn't mean I think everyone should or have to.
That's why I don't support the Institute
>>317579756
Gen 3 indistinguishable from human beings, except, ya know, without all the genetic deformities, death, aging, etc
why do you keep asking the same fucking shit
>>317579779
Because they can't be controlled.
>>317579571
I bet it's pocketed. Ultra light armour adds to your AP and I bet they don't throw in that benefit for nothing.
>>317578334
that's not what the railroad does you retard
>only played fallout 1 and 2
>decide to give 3 a shot because of all this 4 hype
>androids exist
>what the fuck is this bladerunner shit doing in my Fallout, only the .233 gun is allowed from there
>game expects me to care about androids
>hell it even gives you BAD KARMA if you kill a MACHINE
>ok lol this was dumb, let's check out 4
>SYNTHS ARE THE MAIN PLOT POINT
Holy shit Bethesda are such hacks, even Bioware handled the issue better with Geth.
>>317579868
>That's why I don't support the Institute
But you're not supporting the "old" institute, you are in charge now and can reform it however you want.
Why are you retards not grasping this concept?
>>317579841
No human out there is me. What a stupid assertion. I can't be replaced by someone that isn't me.
>>317579930
>why do you keep asking the same shit
>answer has literally nothing to do with my question
Okay anon, like I said. Why would you trust a synth with your MEMORIES and life, knowing damn well they can diverge and AREN'T you.
>>317576945
Nothing is too bad about any of the factions.
The problem is thatBethesda railroads you into utterly wiping out the other factions in a murder spree, no matter which side you pick.
>>317579632
I don't wanna, I love Raider armour too much and I'm now finding Heavy Raider pieces.
>>317579571
Pretty much what >>317579862 >>317579946 said. To collate it,
Deep pockets is best for carry weight.
Ultra-lightweight is a combination slight carryweight, better sneak, better AP consumption rate
But the effects are greatest for heavier armor.
Light armor with pockets vs heavy armor with lightweight is the real question.
>>317580010
Where does it say you can do that? You do realise this is a Bethesda game, right? They give you little choice all through the thing, and you're assuming you change the way an entire faction works?
>>317579862
>>317579946
Sounds good, gonna need all that room for stuff.
>>317580007
Synth hype has been in the works since the first game nigga. Only thing missing now is teleportation.
>>317577119
My understanding is that the endgame of the Institute is to sit in their underground base continuing to prosper, expand and learn waited on by an army of Synths.
They see the above ground as a resource to be used and have completely written off the Commonwealth as not worth saving.
Presumably at some point down the line they intend to recolonise the surface on their own terms.
>>317575605
Yeah and the large amount of them gaining sentience and wanting freedom is just a "malfunction," huh? Fucking idiot. Anyone saying Synths are just machines are in total denial.
>>317580153
Where were they mentioned before 3?
>>317579779
Because unlike normal robots, those synth have free will and deviate.
See the synth raider boss in libertalia.
>>317580021
"a synth"
"diverge"
"not you"
Gen 3 *is you* in a synthetic body.
You don't trust yourself? What is even the question here?
Or you don't accept that you in a synth is *really you* because you're some religious retard?
>>317580147
Where doesn't it say you can do that?
You become the leader of whichever faction you side with.
Hypothetically speaking of course, Obviously you're not gonna change canon.
>>317580240
So you just die and a synth with your memories is created? That's a pretty shitty ending for you.
Unless you're one of those m-m-muh legacy people.
>>317580240
Are you legitimately retarded?
Nick isn't Kellogg despite having his fucking memories, nor is Nick the fucking guy he got his original memories from.
If you wanted to be immortal you can be a fucking Cyborg like Kellogg or the many Robobrains.
>>317580153
>teleportation
Old World Blues technically.
>>317580224
you didn't just think all those experiments were to create a cool robot dog did you?
>>317577364
Its possible only underground because when they tried it above ground noone trusted them, as most people are retards and the institute is the only one with working and even developing tech.
So eventually the tensions between them and other factions lead them to bury themselves underground, its also one of the reasons they kidnap and replace people with synths, as this allows them to function above ground without people knowing that. And while not being present in person.
>>317580383
That's a cyborg, completely different from a synth. Cyborgs have a place in Fallout, imaginary terminator robots do not.
>>317580336
>Shawn could have made himself an immortal cyborg like Kellogg
>Instead he leaves his entire legacy for you to ruin
Fighting a Cyborg Shawn in custom power armor would have been pretty cool.
>>317580313
Your body dies. Your brain or just your consciousness live on.
You are not your body.
>>317577776
No anon, you would not be invincible, your copy would be. You would die and rot away, while a perfect copy of you would watch you.
Your conciousness wont magically leave your body and enter a PC. You are bound to your flesh.
Say what you will about bethesda's writing butthese faction discussion threads are more interesting than MUH CAESAR and MUH DEMOCRACY nv shitfests
>>317580336
Are you legitimately retarded? Why are you so scared and unwillingly to let go of your flesh shell meatbag?
Scared of the "continuity jump" into a superior synthetic body?
>>317580458
Play Soma.
You can't transfer consciousness, only make a copy of it to another body.
>>317580458
Yes you are
>Danse somehow didn't discover that he didnt need to eat or sleep
Come on, man
>>317580312
Because you become the leader of other factions and continue to do what you're told, and going by typical Bethesda fuckery, you have less reason to assume it'll be any different with the Institute. Siding with the Institute over speculation is just a bit weird to me.
>>317580451
Yeah, he's cool with blatant slavery but not with extending human lives. Great son, son of the year all years, GOAT son.
God he's such a piece of shit. I resent Shaun. Especially since he brushes off the murder of his other parent just like oh lol oh well it happens.
>>317577364
>BoS
>Help wastelanders
Fallout 3 kiddies just never learn, its PROTECT humanity from rampant technology, the average wastelander cant be trusted with a laser rifle, the Knight in shining armor bullshit 3 added was so out of character and im glad Lyons is dead and Maxon made the brotherhood return to their roots, Airship and all
>>317580539
If you're too lazy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5CFE-Zdlfs
>>317580458
If they transport your entire brain, sure, but then you're just a hardcore cyborg, much like Grievus from star wars. If they just upload your memories to a robot, and you die, you're still dead. There's just another you walking around, kind of like The Prestige.
Immortality isn't about achieving eternal life anon, it's about avoiding the horror of death, and this certainly does not avoid anything as far as you're concerned. You'll die.
>>317580527
I know right? Then again I'm a House man.
>>317580553
He ate and slept the brotherhood.
>>317575343
think of the political parties now
think of some
are any of them likeable?
>>317580431
>Most people are retards because they are pissed off with the Institute for only ever building killer robot assassins and not even attempting to improve the lives of people aboveground, wasting an insane amount of resources on a fucking pointless science project that serves no purpose other than to create a moral dilemma
>>317580539
Video games are not evidence to anything in the real world. Are you for real, man?
>>317580553
I thought Gen 3s are programmed to do those things? The Mayor eats and sleeps. Other Synths eat and sleep.
>>317580534
So you are retarded, because you seem to think that letting a synth carry on your legacy is better than becoming a cyborg and doing it yourself and even better.
>>317580446
>imaginary terminator robots do not
You sure bud? Robots have been an integral part of the games since the beginning
Synths are just human shaped robots
>Murder everyone on board the Prydwen because I'll be siding with the institute later
>Talk to Father while wearing Maxson's jacket and the captain's hat
>The last obstacle in our way is the brotherhood of steel I need you to destroy three generators, get to liberty prime and then defend it long enough for it to be reprogrammed to shoot down the prydwen
How about I just pilot into the ground since it's fucking empty Bethesda you shit heads.
![241d6c0082[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ffF5bML.jpg "241d6c0082[1].jpg")
Reminder that the kind of people who think fallout nv is better than 3 and fallout 4 is better than new vegas are the kind of people who like shadman's porn, interpret that how you will
I can't side with the BoS because they would kill my sweet Curie if they learned the truth
I took their powerarmor and legged it
>>317575268
The voice actors performance with this guy was pretty good.
>>317580691
>Video games are not evidence to anything in the real world. Are you for real, man?
>soma devs are the first people to make researches/thesis on the subject
It's just a /v/-related illustration.
>>317580657
They started making those assassins when people above ground started kidnapping their own synths.
Meanwhile the institute is reaserching the fev and radiation effects and how to reverse it, engineering plants so they can repopulate the place with food and more. But hey, you can conviniently ignore those parts to suite your argument.
>>317580764
>fallout 4 is literally almost as good as all previous fallout games combined
TODD ANTISHILLS BTFO
>>317580539
Any more proofs than "another video game"?
I've seen the Fly, and every other sci-fi on teleportation/transferrence into android bodies to not be afraid of "the jump"
>You can't transfer consciousness
>only make a copy of it to another body
What the hells the difference retard? A copy is a transfer, or has to be transferred at some point
You literally are retarded
White X-01 signifies progress and superiority.
>>317578002
That movie was legit. The dancing had me laughing so hard.
>>317578447
>a group of scientists get the brilliant idea to create SKYNET
Skynet is in the other side of the country, dumbass.
>>317580848
>sci fi movies are proof
And you call others retarded.
>>317580616
>it's about avoiding the horror of death
Bro, you were born in a fucked up, weak genetic temporary meat shell, that will wither away and die inevitably, your DNA will unspiral, your body will age, you will die
Whether you're afraid of it or not, transferring your consciousness (making a copy whatever) is the best hope of living on after death you've got
Should be grateful that that kind of technology exists, and stop being a pussy
>>317580848
>What the hells the difference retard?
The difference is that you're still in your original body and the synth you'll meet will be "you" only for a short amount of time.
I don't think you'd behave the same if you were suddenly a synth.
>>317578802
Next synth I kill, I'm gonna think of you.
>These retards in here who think having a synth doppleganger means you somehow live forever
You guys are the idiots who shoot themselves in the brain scan chair thinking that would mean living again.
how do you get the armor layers with shoulder guards?
>>317580848
Transfer: Take A and put it from place X to place Y
You now only have one A in Y
Copy: Take A and copy it from X to Y
You now have two A one in X and one in Y
If you are too retarded to know what the difference is please remove yourself from the gene pool.
>>317580832
They kidnapped people and dipped them into FEV vats. Then they killed most of them or released them into the Commonwealth, allowing them to do whatever the fuck they wanted.
Also reminder that Bioscience plans to kill and replace a farmer with a Synth, to test crops. After the test, they plan to kill the farmer's family and demolish the farm and all evidence of it.
These people are stupid evil.
>>317580605
>The horror of changing your body! Aaaahhhhhh!
I don't get this irrational fear
Can someone explain it to me?
>OMG U DIE AHHHHHHHHH
Any better explanations besides irrational fear?
