How in God's name did he travel from the West Coast to the East Coast?
I could kinda understand the BoS managing it, and definitely the Enclave. But a random merc being able to cross Post-Nuclear U.S.A? What the fuck.
West Coast and East Coast should be totally seperate, nobody on the East Coast should know what the fuck the NCR is apart from older members of the Brotherhood or Scribes, and nobody on the West Coast should know about the Institue or Synths other than House.
He walked there.
I think you underestimate how fast humanity can evolve.
>>317491358
Can humanity evolve to walk through miles of violent storms and tornadoes?
>Bethesda
>giving a shit about lore or reason
You're 20 years late.
>>317491358
The word is adapt, not evolve.
>Encounter Kellogg and kill him with literally no prior buildup
>Later on they try to throw every cliche on him so that he dindu nuffin wrong
>Then they try and say that he's the most badass merc ever who did all of the institutes dirty work
>But then say that a single courser is stronger than him
Why didn't they just use Coursers for their work then?
>>317491272
Bethesda doesn't know the lore of the universe they're working in, alternatively they retconned the massive fucking super storms that cover the middle of America.
>>317492008
>Retard thinks that walking is against Fallout lore
Obsidiot go away
>>317491272
Well a bunch of potato farmers with horse drawn carriages did it 150 years ago. I imagine a tough guy with cybernetics could pull it off. Head to NorCal then cut east. No desert, probably no radiation, plenty of food growing.
Plus just because we don't see cars working doesn't mean they don't. BoS has vertibirds going again. It's reasonable to assume there are caravans of vehicles Mad Max style making the trek to trade. In fact it's logical. How else would either side know anything? BoS and the Enclave wouldn't waste the resources to travel 3000 miles on a whim.
>>317492461
>Fallout 4 was my first Fallout! XD
>>317492359
because the coursers are new tech and Kellogg was the main man before they perfected the tech.
also, coursers were poor at interacting with humans. so Kellogg was still useful.
>>317492545
Nice argument you stupid cunt lol
>>317492461
>walking towards random directions without knowing if there's even land or food there just because
>in the post apocalyptic wasteland
Yup, I'm a fanboy.
>>317492461
>retard thinks you can walk from California to Massachusetts with the massive fucking superstorms in the way
The only people capable of crossing the country are the enclave and the BoS, because they can just fly over the storms. You cannot walk and survive.
>>317492535
>Plus just because we don't see cars working doesn't mean they don't.
Do you even know why this whole war started?
>>317491490
>middle United States is ravaged by storms and tornadoes 24/7, creating an unpassable wall
>>317492608
Because yours was better lol
>>317492636
No, why?
>oh jeez, my car doesn't want to start
>THIS MEANS WAR
>>317492789
Because all the fossil fuels ran out, and there is no gas for cars.
The only stuff left is reserved for those Vertibirds, and those are reserved for important things like the President.
>>317492636
>war started due to shortage in fossil fuels
>American cars are fueled by fusion reactors
????
DUDE
HE IS A BADASS LOL
>>317492873
Only the rich had cars powered by fusion, you fucking mongoloid. Why are you in a lore thread if you know nothing about it?
>>317491272
Yeah wasn't The west pretty much isolated due to storms and violent tribes killing anyone who tired to cross
It's not as hard as you might think. Being a merc, he could have simply sold himself as protection for caravans, traveling the US.
>>317492614
>Maps don't exist
>>317492623
Enclave did it
Caravans did it
Super Mutants did it
You're dumb bro
>>317492993
>Only the rich had cars powered by fusion
So there are cars powered by fusion. Thus still work
Thanks for confirming that for me
>>317492864
Cars are fueled by nukes
>>317493230
>Maps don't exist
That take into account how the landscape changed the last 300 years ?
No.
>>317492873
Resources war started long before portable reactors were developed.
>>317491272
he could have walked
>>317492614
While he didn't know while on the west coast that there was an east coast, one can assume there were settlements in between, and he sort of just drifted and in each settlement he would hear about one further away.
If you aren't completely retarded it is easy to think of things. But yeah, it is very far across the country so one would imagine he had died at some point.
it takes ~1000 hours to walk from cali to mass
So if you're walking 12 hours per day it'll take 3 months or so
>>317491272
It helps that hehad a long ass time to do it
>>317493230
>Thus still work
Fusion power didn't come around until the war was practically started. The economy was so fucked up at the point that a piece of bread would cost hundreds.
Fusion cars would be too expensive for anyone to buy. Plus they still got hit by the nukes, you dummy.
Now they are pre-war tech that nobody understands.
>>317493320
Your pip-boy can see the map, it's even referenced as able to read the topography in honest hearts.
>>317492993
>year 22xx
>Kellogg is literally incapable of taking a somewhat working fusion powered car and repairing it to drive from the West Coast to the East Coast
Also show me where it says that the middle of the United States is ravaged by violent storms all the time and why people can't just go through Canada.
>>317493230
Enclave did it because they can fly over it
Super Mutants are on the east coast because Bethesda stuck FEV in a vault for some reason
What caravan has done it?
>>317493361
Fusion fueled cars still exist in the year 2283.
There is no reason people can't repair existing cars.
>>317493519
Nobody walks 12 hours a day for 3 months straight though. It was also implied he had settled down numerous times on the way. He also traveled away after his family died, which I just assume he was in his early 20s when ti happened, and he then reached Boston in his mid 30s. So 10 years it took him to make it across America, probably.
>>317493483
>If you aren't completely retarded it is easy to think of things
USING COMMON SENSE IS NOT CANON FUCKING BETHDRONES DESTROYING MY FRANCHISE REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>317493719
They don't know how they work, you dumbass.
What's to say he didn't go through Canada? Or if he went the long ass way he could have gone along the Gulf and then up the coast. You don't have to travel in a straight line directly to where you're going.
That's it this thread has finally convinced me.
The fallout fan base is filled with retarded man children who have never left the parents basements.
>>317493805
I was min-maxing anon :^)
>>317493948
It's filled with normies who don't play the games and think Fallout started at 4
>mfw reading this thread
>>317493842
They don't have to know how they work exactly.
All they have to do is get them running.
But next you're going to tell me that no one knows what the cars are for, despite literature surviving the Great War, and it's literally impossible for all books and magazines detailing car repair and purpose to be destroyed.
>>317494103
There is literally nothing in the Fallout canon preventing people from traversing from the United States West Coast to the East Coast by foot.
>>317494153
>he actually believes people are going to fiddle around with a broken car that has a nuke inside of it
okay dude, sure
>>317494091
I know, I was just contributing my thoughts about his past.
>>317494262
>nothing in the canon
>giant wall of superstorms isn't canon
Fallout didn't start at 3
>>317491272
A bunch of shitskined abo cave men crossed from africa to aus with nothing but sticks through volcanos/tropical storms sabre tooth tigers and sooths and eagles the size of elephants 50,000 years ago and you are wondering how a 23rd century experienced mercenary crossed the continental united states through barren wastelands?
>>317494264
>he actually believes people are going to fiddle around with a broken suit of bipedal personal tank armor that is fueled by space technology
>he actually believes people are going to fiddle around with missile launchers and catapults that throw miniature nuclear warheads
okay dude, sure
>>317492864
You don't know your lore
>>317494403
So the superstorms range from Middle-America to Greenland.
Might showing me were this is verified to be canon in the Fallout universe.
Oh wait, you can't because you're full of shit.
kellogs is supposed to be protag tier powerful, hes able cause of plot
>>317494264
>Its canon that a 19 year old kid fresh out of a vault dismantled a 200 year old nuclear bomb, but no one else will mess with car with a blast radius dmaller than that of a micronuke.
anon...
>>317492691
All of middle america? From Canada to Mexico? He could have went south into Texas and then up.
And we know Montana is safe due to a guy being from there in New Vegas.
>>317494456
>he actually thinks anyone besides the NCR, Enclave, and BoS know how to fix power armor
>he actually thinks repairing a gun is comparable to a nuclear powered car
okay dude, sure
>>317494620
Eh, he's massively exaggerating but they do mention mile wide super-tornados in Fallout 2, but it's only an off-hand comment.
>>317494954
Oh? Raiders have their own power armor type though...
>>317495038
Which is incredibly stupid.
>>317494983
Again, there is literally nothing that makes it impossible for people to venture from the United States West Coast to the East Coast by foot.
Literally nothing.
>>317495038
>pieces of wood taped to a guy
>power armor
Nah dude, try again
>>317495201
If we can have super mutants that are capable of genius level intellect, it makes sense that raiders are capable of power armor... but I am not 100% on the lore of the fallout games. My first was 2 and I was 9 years old..
>>317494954
>he actually thinks anyone besides the NCR, Enclave, and BoS know how to fix power armor
Check out this square.
>yfw one of the DLCs is going to involve the NCR and you're reading this thread
>>317494954
>Across the Commonwealth, the fisrcest raiders have salvaged and repaired their own suits of power armor to working order.
Comfirmed idiot
>>317494954
>people with a mind for mechanical engineering are only reserved for the NCR, Enclave and Brotherhood of Steel
Are you really that stupid?
>>317495252
Mile wide supertornadoes and a massive desert.
>>317494443
Have you been reading the thread, retard?
>>317495393
Is Canada a desert ravaged by mile wide supertornadoes?
If yes, then why aren't there supertornadoes on the West or East Coast?
>>317495393
That somehow goes all the way from the texas coast, up too canada and over to greenland somehow?
>>317494103
>Unironically calling someone a normie
Fallout 1-2 faggots are primo cringe thread material
>>317495372
NCR is the best faction though
>>317495379
>F4, where you get power armor for simply launching the game and another suit is available to you just a few steps from where you spawn
lol
>>317495383
The big names have the knowledge necessary, plus the power armor training they need and the materials.
>>317492535
You never played 2 have you? We KNOW cars work
>>317495329
>>317495201
Raider armor is actually pretty complex, not BoS or Enclave tier, but it'd actually take some mechanical know how and fabrication know how to scrap it together.
>>317493531
if thats the case why are there so many fusion powered cars just lying around the city?
and nobody understands it, right
except that one guy who understands it and managed to get a car working again
>>317495629
>NCR is the best faction though
True, but how are they going to cross to the west coast!?!?!
All that jazz that people are getting upset about.
>>317495717
The NCR have Vertibirds. You can see it in New Vegas.
>>317495506
No because it's filled with the opinions of man babies whos longest excursion from their house is to walmart to pick up more poptarts
>>317491272
Caravans.
Cars. Yeah there are cars, fo3babbies.
Raiders in Fo4 even know what a motorcycle is and how one works for some reason.
>>317495336
From what I understand the components and mechanisms that make up power armor are not only incredibly complex, but very rare. If raiders are raiding to survive and eat and slam drugs all day, it's weird that they'd be able to master this top of the line pre-war technology.
It's more than just a suit of metal, after all, and even the NCR couldn't repurpose whole suits.
You also need special training just to wear the armor and function, at least I think?
>>317492864
That's why the cars blow up in a Mini Nuke fashion and spew rads around them for a while. Because of all the gasoline in them. Right.
why the fuck do bethesda fallout games always have stand alone stories, its so fucking lazy, fallout new vegas actually made you feel like you were part of a vast story, in fallout 3 and 4, its like you're stuck in a snow globe
how the fuck does nobody call out bethesda on this shit, fucking retards
>>317495629
What does the fact that you get power armpr early have to do with raiders repairing power armor?
Are you pretending to be retarded?
Considering Europe didn't really have any direct contact with the other side of the Eurasian continent for thousands of years I think OP has a point. Especially when there is irradiated land and hostile mutant creatures and tribes all along the way.
>>317495803
The president gets a vertibird, but I doubt they have a full fledged fleet like the enclave.
I almost haven't read a single correct or not retarded thing in this thread. It's like, advanced fucking shitflinging. /v/ was always bad, but holy shit I'm out of here.
>>317495991
Power armor in Fallout 4 is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously. It doesn't follow the canon of any of the other games.
>>317495875
see my other post >>317495647
Raiders specifically don't use high tech methods when creating their armor, they use the high tech 'frames' and then combine slapdash low tech with it. It seems to work pretty good, and still protects you from rads!
>>317496114
"canon" for power armour was vague as fuck in 1 and 2 other than something meant to turn the tide of a battle. And I think FO4's shows that much fucking better than 3 and NV's sorry attempt at it
>>317496059
Not a full fleet, but they do have the ones they took from the Enclave on Navarro.
>>317492864
>Fossil fuels
>Fallout
>>317496002
And yet there's still cars all around the place. Parking lots, next to roads, parked at houses, etc. You could even drive your own Highwayman in the older ones. You sure refuted my point there! And have there even been depictions of non fusion cars in the game? + it's always been implied forces like the NCR have fleets of cars/trucks at their disposal. 2/10 apply yourself last response you're getting from me
>>317492993
Read, fucking idiot. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Corvega
>>317495629
Not going through power armor training doesn't prevent you from entering a power armor.
You just don't know how to operate it properly.
And you can learn through trial and error.
And yes, the big factions have the knowledge to repair the more intricate parts of the power armor.
And what materials, you can slap pretty much anything on the power armor frame to provide protection.
Kellogg deserved more buildup
>>317496114
It follows the canon more than any of the other Fallout games have.
The only thing that contradicts the canon is the fact that Power Armor needs fusion cores, instead of having a self sustaining power source that lasts forever, which was obviously changed this time for sake of balancing and gameplay.
>>317495856
>fo3babbies
All the people so far I've seen bitching about cars are Obsidian gamebaiting faggots that have huge holes in their lore.
>>317495856
>fo3babbies
The people saying Kellogg's journey is retconning the lore are fo1-2fags, but nice try.
>>317495816
Kek
>>317496252
Yeah, making ultra-rare military suits that require extensive training to even use and protect you from the hazards of the wasteland (you know, those environments that drive the setting and make it unique) as common as any other equipment definitely doesn't completely trivialize the entire Fallout setting (and the 'special' factor of power armor) at all!
>>317496497
Funny how it's always them that try to start shit, and usually get btfo'd anyways, only to start even more shit.
>>317496276
>fossil fuels don't exist in the Fallout universe
>>317495647
Well, we know where at least some of the (Swamp) Yankee Ingenuity of the Old United States went, then. (So to speak.)
And it is actually more of an accomplishment than it initially appears to be. Power Armor is quite complex and even just patching in scrap metal around what can't be replaced and getting the servos working at all is something.
It's still even more of a piece of shit than T-45d, but realistically, you would be somewhat invincible to a lot of threats in it, if severely suffering from tunnel vision and having badly compromised maneuverability and hearing besides.
These niggas complaining about the lore are the same people who say story doesn't matter in games. Just play the game and have fun for once in your pathetic lives, jesus.
>>317496329
You do realize nobody had the money to buy that right?
>b-b-but there all over Fallout 3!!!
Because Bethesda doesn't care about the lore
>>317496710
>extensive training to even use
Added in FO3 and retconned in FO4. Bethesda mopping up some of their old mistakes is good
> the hazards of the wasteland (you know, those environments that drive the setting and make it unique)
I'd say what makes it unique is the focus on a post post apocalyptic world and that whole timeline divergence in the 50s but alright
>as common as any other equipment
massive hyperbole, try again
>>317496758
>JUST HAVE FUN FOR ONCE IN YOUR PATHETIC LIVES!!!!
I will, playing games that aren't dull shit. If you can't deal with and accept that some stuff in Fallout 4 is retarded, you are a massively deluded fanboy and I hope one day when you're all grown up you look back at this and cringe.
>>317496785
Just because nobody had the money to buy a Corvega doesn't mean they weren't manufactured.
>>317496758
>Stop talking about <Thread topic> in the thread!
You're a special kind of retard
>>317496710
>that require extensive training to even use
You do know Fallout 3 started that, right? Nostalgiafags are hilarious. And even now the US Military is huge as fuck, and in a state of war like in Fallout, there's going to be a fuckload of suits needed, especially when the country is going down the shitter due to food shortages and riots and such. And there's not even that many suits around. I'm level 23 and I have two suits and one empty frame, and I'm basically death incarnate pillaging and murdering and wandering everywhere because I'm the fucking PC.
>>317496989
>If you can't deal with and accept that some stuff in Fallout 4 is retarded
A lot of stuff in Fallout 4 is retarded.
Kellogg journeying from the West Coast to the East Coast just isn't one of them.
ITT:Fallout 3 babbies arguing with people who read the wiki entries on Fallout 1/2
This thread is awful, you niggers need to read up on your lore.
First off, the Midwest DOES have mile wide radioactive storms, but it's not some huge kill-wall spanning the middle of the U.S.A. Tactics is technically semi-canon and that occured in the Midwest. Van Buren, which locations have been made canon via New Vegas was also touching on the Midwest and it was fine. As others have said, even if there was a killwall you could have just gone around it.
It would have been extremely difficult and probably would have taken many, many years for Kellogg to cross the U.S.A and there probably wasn't much motivation to keep walking endlessly across the Wasteland to parts unknown, but it's possible. It's dumb, but possible.
Also, cars are a thing in the post-war Fallout world. You literally build one in Fallout 2 and it's implied there are others. A few years before the Great War, micro-fusion technology emerged in the U.S.A as a renewable power source, but was rare and very,very expensive. One of the greatest ironies of Fallout being that if the war started a decade later, it's possible the resource crisis might have been solved or at the very least greatly lessened. The canonicity of this has been toyed with by Bethesda, who put mircofusion powered cars all over the place and whatnot, but that's besides the point.
Faggots need to lrn2lore
>>317496985
> focus on a post post apocalyptic world
The post post apocalyptic world whose culture, means, and way of life are defined by the apocalyptic wasteland in which they dwell.
Power Armor makes the wasteland a trivial nuisance at best, it's totally inconsistent with the world we see and what is presented to us.
If random raiders can make power armor, why haven't they colonized the wastes?
>>317492623
>>317491272
Why couldn't he walk along the southern coast?
>>317495568
>greenland
I got to ask. What does that have to do with anything. Have you ever looked at map? notice how Greenland is even further east? Notice how it isn't connected?
>>317497219
because the power armour they can make is dog shit in comparison to proper power armour. PA really isn't as common in FO4 as you're making it out to be
Seemingly thousands of Super Mutants made the journey to the east for no reason, despite being infertile creatures and the only lab in which they were created was destroyed hundreds of years in the past.
>>317491272
Same way the brotherhood got there, being so full of hot air that they floated across the wasteland like dirigibles.
>>317497382
It obviously was a joke, retard
God, downvoted
>>317497467
Vault 81 muties =/= West Coast Muties
>>317497467
Please stop talking.
Fallout 3 Super Mutants were from Vault 87, which had FEV inside of it.
Yes it's retarded and breaks the lore, but that's the explanation.
>>317497219
>If random raiders can make power armor, why haven't they colonized the wastes?
Because the ability to repair power armor doesn't mean they're willing to band together to create a community.
You do know why they're generally called raiders, right? They didn't just choose to name their organization the raiders because they thought it sounded cool.
>>317497467
Did you not pay attention to FO3? I mean I can't blame you for not but this was quite obviously fucking covered
>>317497467
You're a real dumb motherfucker.
>>317497607
And then I goofed on the Vault number. It's obviously 87.
>>317497467
FEV was in an east coast vault, and somehow they managed to dip themselves and create super mutants on the first try.
It's pretty embarrassing for the Master that humans perfected the making of super mutants.
>>317497746
>on the first try
No? You see loads of failures in the vault itself? And I guess Centaurs also count.
>>317497643
>They didn't just choose to name their organization the raiders because they thought it sounded cool.
Why not? Oakland named their football team the Raiders.
>>317497643
They're raiders because they raid, you jackass, which implies resource scarcity if they've been driven to become psychopath murderers.
Again, something trivialized by power armor since they could just as easily trek off to somewhere better for food.
ITT: PEOPLE WHO FORGOT HALF OF THE LORE TRYING TO ARGUE ABOUT LORE
>>317492614
This is exactly what you do in every single fallout game though.
>>317492535
A few cars work, see fallout 2. Also the USA solved the energy crisis but the great war happened before it could save the world.
Can someone tell me where the radioactive fuck storms are? The Midwest BOS went straight up from texas.
>map locations are off in this map
I know, but just tell me where the fuck storms are.
>>317498081
Yeah, if you don't bother talking to the NPCs who can mark shit on your map.
Why do so many of you assume people in the Wasteland are fucking retarded and cannot repair any transportation technology?
There are androids with advanced AI walking around, what makes you think somebody can't repair a damn car or plane? The fact some transportation is powered by nuclear sources just means they'd be usable for hundreds of years. A nuclear powered car left on the side of the road wouldn't suddenly stop fucking working.
>>317498081
>1km or less in a populated zone is the same as crossing the US
>>317498024
>one power armor per raider group (huge exaggeration, by the way) trivializes food and water shortage for the whole group
Just because one person can fuck off to somewhere better doesn't mean the rest of his group can.
And the power armor doesn't provide sustenance so he would still need food and water for the trip.
Food shortage doesn't correlate with power armor scarcity.
>>317498330
>implying it's 1km
What is game scale?
>>317495393
Bullshit. Tornadoes do not conveniently position themselves vertically across a country like a mountain range.
Isn't there like a 100 year difference between 2 and 3? Whose to say the storms finally slowed down after a while?
Also Raul mentions being in El Paso (which is right on the Texas Border) and walking through Arizona so Texas should be pretty safe as well.
>>317498024
There's so much wrong with this I won't even bother
>>317498395
Are you somehow implying that DC or Nevada are as large as the USA ?
>>317498315
>Why do so many of you assume people in the Wasteland are fucking retarded and cannot repair any transportation technology?
because look at the fucking map you retard
>trash, money, useful things fucking everywhere
>its been 200 fucking years and yet everywhere you go is a bounty of useful scrap that hasnt been collected
>>317491272
if it took 11 mins to walk across the entire commonwealthy he could easily walk across the entire USA in about 2 hours
>>317498143
What the hell happened to florida?
>>317491490
How the fuck do you think humans migrated to every corner of the planet? Jesus Christ you're fucking stupid.
>>317498424
whenever I hear the impassable tornado's, I think of jupiter tier permastorms on a smaller scale.
>>317492614
Are the fallout nostalgiafags retarded or are you just forgetting the 200 year old ghouls who lived before the war on purpose?
>>317498558
Mutated GECK. Worked too well and now the entire land is Vault 22 with alligators.
>>317492535
There are working cars, they're just incredibly rare. I'm sure the institute would have no problem getting their hands on them
>>317498143
At least one of the Brotherhoods blimps came down near Osceolla in Tactics, the rest near Chicago.
>>317498330
You realize its like a 5 hour drive between Primm and Las Vegas in real life right
>>317498505
The intentions are the same. The PC usually doesn't even usually know what the fuck the area is, and yet they wander around large distances, often statewide. New Vegas had California and Nevada (not even counting DLC's). Fallout 4 may be different, with them living there and such.
>>317498513
>trash, money, useful things fucking everywhere
>its been 200 fucking years and yet everywhere you go is a bounty of useful scrap that hasnt been collected
That would make for a great game, everything is clean and dandy, and there's no shit to be found anywhere.
>>317498143
According to anon in this thread, the red marks where storms and mile wide tornadoes create a wall that cannot be passed by any means other than vertibird.
Also note that the storm area extends north to encompass all of Canada
>Fusion powered cars are the same as having a nuclear reactor powering the thing
Does people know the difference between fusion and fission?
>>317498770
Are you drunk? That drive shouldn't take more than an hour.
it takes me four hours to drive from fucking LA to Vegas.
>>317498893
How does that work? A storm that never ends. Why does it never end?
>>317498770
Yeah because diriving 5 hours in a game would be fun.
>>317493293
Those were incredibly rare until Bethesda got their hands on the story and made them ubiquitous without explanation.
>>317499028
Because lol its impossible to go from west to east lmao todd sux kock
>reading through the fallout wiki
>Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel had a secret vault where Vault-tec scientists conducted FEV experiments
>One of the lore rapes I hear about constantly for FO3 was that FEV should not be in a vault since it was being research by West-tec
I am actually shaking my head right now.
>>317499028
ask bethesda, they put on in the glowing sea
>People angry at lore in Fallout 4
>Then proceed to show that they know jack shit about the country and the lore.
Superstorms were introduced in Tactics and are only mentioned there, barring stuff with the Great Divide. Besides the fact that it's not canon, Tactics never explicitly said that the storms encompass all of central America from north to south, or that they were 100% constant.
A scraggly ghoul-like FEV mutant managed to crawl across the country with a tree sprouting from his head.
NCR is implied to have working railways. While they obviously don't extend past Vegas, at least by Fallout 4, it shows that the railroads are definitely repairable and serviceable.
The world isn't supposed to have horses, but they showed up in that New Vegas prequel comic when NCR scouts rode them.
There's plenty of stuff that can be used to justify his journey, and even more room for ass-pulls by Bethesda if they wanted to.
>>317498893
That's retarded. Baja is an NCR settlement and nothing says Mexico is impassable.
This also fucks with the placement of Ronto. This edit is fuck and that anon is shit.
>>317499210
Why should he ask Bethesda when the storms were mentioned in Fallout 2?
>>317499210
The glowing sea is just ground zero for one of the nukes nothing more how does that rape your lore?
>>317499112
Imagine a country like the US basically out of any means of motorized transport except a few richfags. Bethesda did good there.
>>317499172
Nostalgiafags are hilarious because they just forget most of the older games except the stuff they want to bitch about and then get btfo'd.
>>317499274
I made that edit asa joke, anon.
The other anon said it was literally impossible to traverse through northern America because there are storms and mile wide tornadoes.
>>317499245
>Superstorms were introduced in Tactics
One of John Cassidy's floats is, "I hear they got twisters miles wide in the Midwest. It's a big ol' radioactive dustbowl now."
Roger Zelazny's "Damnation Alley" takes place in the (now usual) post-apocalyptic USA. Extreme weather, "twisters miles wide" etc., occur in the Midwest, earning it the name "Damnation Alley."
The original short story was published in 1967, expanded into a novel in 1969, followed by a movie in 1977.
>>317499172
>Because of numerous inconsistencies with previous Fallout games, Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel has been declared as non-canon by Bethesda Softworks, though some elements do not contradict it and its content can be used as "flavor" material.
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/fallout-3/800771p1.html
>He also elaborated that Fallout 3 takes place thirty years after Fallout 2, but features a new protagonist in a new setting (Vault 101, a Vault underneath the ruins of Washington D.C.). He quickly added, "For our purposes, neither Fallout Tactics nor Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel happened."
>>317499290
They put a storm that never ends in there that spills over into the commonwealth
>>317499403
>Imagine a country like the US basically out of any means of motorized transport except a few richfags. Bethesda did good there.
But every vehicle you can find in FO3, NV, and 4 explode in a mushroom cloud when shot at. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense since they survived nuclear blasts.
>>317499172
>Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
People don't talk about that game for very good reason.
What if Obsidian did the dlcs?
>>317499547
How is that even an answer to what I answered to your retarded comment?
>>317499652
No Avellone? No thank you!
>>317499739
Pay attention retard.
You said only the super rich could afford these cars.
The only cars in the game are those cars. There are NO gas powered cars.
???
>>317499739
If the citizens of the United States, save for a few rich fags, have no motorized transport, why are there expensive as fuck fusion reactor fueled Corvegas everywhere?
>>317499769
Replace him with Kirkbride and see if people don't notice.
>>317499854
I REFUTED all of those points you stupid double nigger. I said Bethesda did good retconning Fusion cars only being for the rich because having no motorized transport in a country like the US would be retarded and wouldn't last.
>telling me how to read while you can't read
>>317499971
>save for a few rich fags
A lot of richfags? Cars were provided by extremely profitable companies to employees?
>>317499971
hurr durr I can't read and understand slight sarcasm hurrr
Go back to 9gag please, I heard you don't have to think a lot there.
>>317498558
Nothing. It's untouched by the bombs. It's just 200 years of meth and flakka with florida people.
>>317500106
Then why are there a lot of cars in fallout 3?
>>317500306
So FL is now arguably more dangerous than the rest of the world
>>317500375
>>317500459
ihaha pretending to be le retarded i am le mastur baiter xdd
>>317500136
>Cars were provided by extremely profitable companies to employees?
[citation needed]
>>317500579
If only the rich can afford the fusion cars why are there so many fusion cars that are busted laying around? If they are hard to afford then there should have been only a few.
>>317499476
>"For our purposes, neither Fallout Tactics nor Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel happened."
>BoS travel across America
>BoS recruit outsiders
>BoS start trying to rule communities instead of just hoarding tech
Tactics happened.
>>317500429
Yup. I live here and parts of the state are already post-apocalypse
>>317498143
Why is point lookout so damn high? It's in Maryland not Connecticut
>>317500918
If the rich aren't real how come fusion cars are our eyes???? xdd
>>317500106
If there was little to no gas by the point of the war then it would make sense that the only cars around are fusion cars. The fusion cars may only be owned by the rich, but that just means only the rich actually have cars. So I think Bethesda could make an argument for only fusion cars. As for the amount of them, wasn't pre-war supposed to be a nuclear utopia nearly? So most of the population would be "rich", meaning most people have fusion cars, making them common around the world.
>>317491272
he's a synth
>>317491272
>literally have a fucking functional car in Fallout 2
>durrr how'd he get to te east cost????
>>317495528
>>317498424
It's a radioactive dustbowl because in case of nuclear war, the midwest gets utterly raped by nukes, worse than even the east and west coast.
>>317501260
But the fusion cars are only for the rich anon! and the storms that are hundreds of miles across!!!
>>317501425
>the midwest gets utterly raped by nukes
>nuking the least populated areas
>>317501082
>Tactics happened.
Parts of tactics happened, pretty much anything to do with Cheyenne mountain would make the Brotherhood too OP for anything other than their own dedicated series. Even if they blew up the Calculator there was a treasure trove of tech in that place.
Using the "send the soft-touch faction on a butchers crusade against a broken army" reasoning for why the brotherhood are on he east coast, and why there's two factions of them in Washington makes sense. So all you need to do is retcon the blimp crash and say those blimps got to the east coast fine and dandy and you can ignore the whole storyline of tactics.
>>317498143
I wonder where Boston is on that map..
>>317501553
Not that guy, and I still think it's retarded, but aren't there loads of military installations there?
>>317501553
A lot of nukes in the cold war were kept in the Midwest. Might be the same type deal in fallout lore.
>>317501553
They nuke the silo fields, son.
Guess where all of our silos are?
>oil reserves ran out in 2060
>literally worth more than gold by 2077
>great war happened because of resource shortages
>can still find gas canisters and oil cans everywhere in Fallout 4
>lots of oil slicks that ignite when shot
>generators run on gasoline
>>317501445
The fusion cars being only for the rich doesn't somehow mean it was impossible to get the car in FO2.
You didn't go to a fucking Chryslus dealership and buy the car for 200 thousand American dollars.
>>317501749
either that or they really hated cheyenne and montana
>>317501749
Why is Idaho such a shit
>>317501915
>the presence of x in relatively small amounts must mean there isn't a shortage it
>>317501915
Not all oil is fossil oil, doofus. And pretty sure those canisters are empty, considering the yield they give.
>>317502083
>not understanding sarcasm
Also, inflation. Lots and lots of inflation.
>>317502083
He's being sarcastic.
>>317501749
>mfw my part of west coast florida is fucked in the ass
>>317501715
>>317501743
>>317501749
There are military bases, but they are really spread out, America is a big country and not all of the nukes hit
>>317502234
Sarcasm? On my /v/?
Does Sanctuary exist in real world?
>>317501553
where are all the american strategic weapon silos?
hint: not near the cities
>>317496785
who says nobody had the money to buy that? the wiki says they are all over the west and east coast
>>317502320
>Annapolis
Can't believe we didn't have a DLC centered around it
>>317502353
I wish people wouldn't use sarcasm on /v/, it's just a gulf that further separates us.
>>317502320
>claims they are spread out
>then just avoids them all anyways
>>317502605
That is exactly the point. It is easy to avoid all of those targets.
>>317502320
Jesus Christ where do you think all that fallout from the nuke fields is going? >>317501425
That path you listed is the worst possible way to go, nothing will live in that region.
The more sensible path is the south, through Texas and up the Appalachians.
>>317502160
It's actually one of the reasons that Fallout 2 had the best setting. That region of Southern Oregon/Northern California/Southern Idaho is the safest place in America in case of nuclear war.
>>317502320
>live in NE Ohio
>wasting all those 200 scenario nukes on this frozen shithole
>>317499390
why is the radiation still there after 200 years
>>317492404
Maybe he went around it
>>317493539
The original games. How can you not even infer that?
>>317502775
Fallout radiation works differently. If you want to discuss fallout without being angry, you accept this.
>>317502701
Those are not constant and weather patterns would change after a world ending nuclear war.
>>317491272
He's a super human cyborg.
>>317502734
Because the plot demands it.
>Radiation lasts for 200 years
>Except for all the places where it doesn't
>>317491272
Probably could've just followed the path the Brotherhood of Steel took. Chances are the BoS that went east obliterated anything that stood in their way, so there's probably a decent path from west to east that they carved.
>>317499451
I mean in Fallout. Motherfucker I don't care what the entirety of post apocalyptic fiction says.
>>317502775
Fallout's nukes are focused on radiation, not big booms.
So what will Fallout 4's DLC be?
>>317491272
Off topic by the way and feel free to call me stupid.
I can't decide which ending to go with or who decide at all.
>>317503149
>I mean in Fallout. Motherfucker
John Cassidy is a companion in Fallout 2 dingus.
>>317503180
L.A.I'm not joking.
>>317503206
Well, me neither. I was going to pick BOS I suppose but I like Nick too much. And I guess if you pick Institute everyone will treat you like Mega Hitler.
>>317491490
the whole storms shit was just from when fallout was nothing more than a mad max pastiche, not its own world
its irrelevant lore now, its not even physically possible for there to be impassable storms 24/7
>>317502917
There is nothing in the original games that indicate central america being ravaged by huge storms 24/7.
>>317491272
As soon as I picked up on this I dropped the game. What a piece of shit.
>>317503237
>Roger Zelazny's "Damnation Alley" takes place in the (now usual) post-apocalyptic USA. Extreme weather, "twisters miles wide" etc., occur in the Midwest, earning it the name "Damnation Alley."
>The original short story was published in 1967, expanded into a novel in 1969, followed by a movie in 1977.
I'm sorry all of this shit was clearly also dumped into the post. Anyways on the Cassidy matter, 1. John Cassidy doesn't know shit about the entirety of the country and 2. John Cassidy doesn't know shit about the entirety of the country. His one anecdote isn't enough to entirely damn the entirety of middle America.
>>317503436
![0415_minute-man-statue[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/M81oS2y.jpg "0415_minute-man-statue[1].jpg")
>>317502375
it's located northwest of concord
>>317492701
Faggot
>>317503512
>I'm sorry all of this shit was clearly also dumped into the post
Because I took it whole sale from the Cultural References page on the wiki. Not only was the guy I originally responded to wrong about the storms being introduced in tactics, it was also an attempt to bait the "fallout is a meme game" crowd. Instead I seem to have landed an obnoxious asshole.
>>317503389
>"The Dust Bowl, also known as the Dirty Thirties, was a period of severe dust storms that greatly damaged the ecology and agriculture of the US and Canadian prairies during the 1930s; severe drought and a failure to apply dryland farming methods to prevent wind erosion (the Aeolian processes) caused the phenomenon. The drought came in three waves, 1934, 1936, and 1939–40, but some regions of the high plains experienced drought conditions for as many as eight years. With insufficient understanding of the ecology of the plains, farmers had conducted extensive deep plowing of the virgin topsoil of the Great Plains during the previous decade; this had displaced the native, deep-rooted grasses that normally trapped soil and moisture even during periods of drought and high winds. The rapid mechanization of farm equipment, especially small gasoline tractors, and widespread use of the combine harvester contributed to farmers' decisions to convert arid grassland (much of which received no more than 10 inches (250 mm) of precipitation per year) to cultivated cropland."
tl;dr simply through farming techniques we fucked up the plains by uprooting grasses that kept soil from blowing around
Now imagine if a cataclysmic event involving radioactive storms killed all of said root structures, such as grasses and trees. What do you think is going to happen to the plains?
Pic related.
>>317503564
google maps claims that statue is in lexinton
>>317503349
There's a lot of reasons you might pick the institute actually.
Your son named you new director. You have full control of everything afterwards.
He's dying.
I don't fully endorse everything the BoS stands for because for one, the reason you just stated and from a moral standpoint, I can't logically say whether or not synths are self aware or sentient.
The railroad is making quite the bold statement in asserting they are, and the institute is stating they aren't.
And the minutemen have no plans for the future whatsoever past day to day survival. They have no ambitions.
Each faction presents its own problems. So far the minutemen are the best in my opinion, but then you'd have to betray your own son. And aside from that they'd outright destroy a lot of the future's best and brightest minds for no other reason than the inability to come to a compromise.
But that's war for you.And war... War never changes.
>>317491272
>Ctrl + F "Harold"
fuck this board
>>317503294
No chance, they're saving that for a future game. It will be Martha's Vineyard because island maps are easy.
>>317503736
>crying that your bait didn't work
Kellogg STILL can cross the country, Dipshit. ;)
>>317503158
but radiation doesn't last 200 years, chernobyl is mainly rad free as long as you don't go deep into the reactors and its only been 20 or so years
>>317503874
that one is in concord
http://www.wbur.org/2013/04/15/sequester-minute-man-national-park
>>317504053
You're a nigger and Fallout is science fiction.
