Legion thread
Datamined talent calculator is up:
http://beta.wowdb.com/talent-calculator
How badly did they fuck up your class?
Are you ready to die for your Retribution overlords?
PVP talents are also up:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1905228-Legion-Beta-Build-20740-PvP-Talents?p=37422564#post37422564
>Warrior
>Double Time
>For arms/fury: Increases max number of charges of charge by 1.
>For prot: Increases max number of charges of intercept by 1.
Did they fix warriors? Do we have our stances back now?
>>317472170
I can't wait to shield slam people with this
>>317472170
Into the Fray sounds like it could be fun.
>divine shield no long has a damage penalty
>>317471867
>giving half a shit about WoW
>the current year
WoW has really been long dead. The magic is gone, it looks worse now than it did 10 years ago and everything is easy as shit
http://beta.wowdb.com/spells/200932-deathstone
>>317472148
>PVP talents
Nani
IT'LL BE GOOD THIS TIME GUYS
I MEAN IT'S ONLY 50 BUCKS PLUS SUBSCRIPTION
>>317472170
whats laci green doing there
putting a cigarette out on her skin?
>>317472492
theres pvp talents instead of pvp gear
pvp gear is gone, everyone is on the same playing field now
honor points are now like "pvp experience" and you unlock talents with it. when you reach "max pvp level" you can hit a Prestige button and earn cosmetic stuff but it resets your current talent perks
>>317472506
it's a needle
Why dont you faggots play a real mmo
>tfw warlock
>tfw keked by demonhunters
Is this punishment for MoP?
>>317472170
>Did they fix warriors? Do we have our stances back now?
LOL NO, They removed battle stance.
All there is left is defensive stance. How the fuck is that going to work?'
>>317472726
i probably dont even know what game
>>317472732
It just aint fair, I want to be a demon.
>>317472586
Man this game is so different to vanilla.
>>317472506
The patriarchy made her do this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWUffzvE6gk
It blows my mind people are going to play the current awful expansion for the next year while they wait for this awful expansion.
Isn't this shit literally 6+ months away? Why do you care about shit that's going to change anyway?
>tfw Retribution Paladin
ty blizzard
>>317472838
nice
teen girls doing drugs is hot
>>317472912
Try 9+ months away.
Blood Hunt
When within 10 yards of enemies at execute range, your movement speed is increased by 15% and all snares are suppressed for 5 sec.
>>317472907
These content droughts her blizzard more than anything. If they don't release anything new before the next expansion, then nobody will even be playing WoW by the time it hits.
>>317473037
Realistically people only ever resub because of the expansion.
Blizzard knows this, so why bother pumping out content patches anymore? They're always shit and lack content anyway, so nobody likes them.
Frankly this just gives everyone less shit to complain about on the forums.
http://beta.wowhead.com/news=250064/legion-items-database-now-live-legendary-items-with-effects-and-more
THOSE LEGENDARY EFFECTS ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>Shaman have a "Maelstrom" resource
Fuck this shit, just use mana.
Final talent line of Survival Hunter gets a sentry turret so I'm pretty happy
>Havoc now lasts 20 seconds and has no cooldown
>>317472148
>Resto Shaman have to PvP to get Earth Shield back
I really hope I'm reading this wrong this is pants on head retarded.
>>317472726
Either GW2 or Rift.
>>317471867
>How badly did they fuck up your class?
JUST
>>317473234
All demon summoning spells are instant now anyway.
Well world pvp is fucked again, unless you forcibly do pve again
>>317473335
Oh no, now you'll just have to press a different button instead of that one.
Crown of Helheim: Avenging Wrath generates 1 Holy Power per second.
>>317471867
so enhance weapon buffs are just shocks now?
WINDFURY TOTEM
IS
BACK
>>317473610
>Mantle of Flames
>Equip: All enemies within 5 yards of you suffer 5000 Fire damage each second.
heh
>>317473612
WAIT IS MAELSTROM SOME STUPID POWER NOW?
this is fucking stupid
>>317473610
This shit is ridiculous. How the fuck are they gonna balance the PvP?
>>317473806
>How the fuck are they gonna balance the PvP?
The same way they did before you retard.
By not balancing it at all.
I can't wait for them to release a statement saying that Shadow Priest DoT weaving was problematic so they're doing away with it. Shadow Priest was the only class that was balanced properly in my opinion. A class that can be easy to play but if you wanna gitgud you can do slightly more damage. I'm sure it'll be removed so everything can be easy mode for those new level 100 boost players like they did with all other classes in WoD.
I've already dropped this game completely for FFXIV but it's still kinda sad watching them fuck up my class.
At least MCH is fun.
>>317473806
>>317473852
PvP and PvE talents aren't shared.
Outlaw Rogues are so based
Plunder
Melee range
Instant 2 min cooldown
Steals and equips the target's armor. Reduces their damage dealt by 20%, and maximum health by 20%, and increases yours by the same amount.
Reminder that this is a marketing thread.
>>317473234
No way this is real.
>>317473234
>>317473610
There is no way these are actually real. They have to be test items.
>>317471867
>http://beta.wowdb.com/talent-calculator
>Mistwalker and Brewmaster now have summons
>earth wind and fire now a toggle
>soothing mist while moving
>class hall will be awesome zen temple
>new combo system and new kicks to make you feel more like you're using kung-fu
>fist weapon artifacts
>brewmaster artifact comes with a keg
It was the most fun class before, it will be twice as fun now. Jizz.
>>317473748
Maelstrom is Enhs Rage replaces mana
build with some abilities dump with other s
>>317474160
>Test Items
Nope, they said they were doing this in Blizzcon
>>317473897
I love FFXIV but fuck off with your shilling. Because of fuckheads like you FFXIV threads get shitposted to death.
>>317473806
>>317473852
The same way they did before you retard.
halfway right.
Why do you think they took away skill trees? They'll just do the same, reduce all classes to make them even less diverse and prevent more customization so they don't have to balance as much.
>>317474403
They're doing literally the opposite of what you said you fucking retarded mongoloid
Go shitpost somewhere else
Blood DK is getting fucked beyond belief.
How could they ever take Blood Tap from us? The only thing in the runereg tier which gave you total control and curbed RNG bullshit. Fuck RNG as a tank. i dont even
>>317473235
What is with blizzard and trying to make the maelstrom some sort of shaman thing? It's a giant magic induce hole caused by a pool of arcane magic.
>>317474697
>At the centre of the maelstrom you find...
>some fat rock bitch and a gay levelling zone
Goddamnit
>>317474631
they replaced bloodtap with something else
honestly how are people this stupid
>>317474837
Which still is NOT blood tap
its some bullshit which gives you 1 max rune more and more passive regen. You cant really control when you wanna do what you wanna do the way blood tap did. Fuck them dumbing down everything and taking buttons away where it is not needed. AT LEAST WE GET MEMESTORM RITE??
>>317474837
Half of Blizzard fans are drones who eat up and defend any old shit, the other half flip out at any information they get regardless of whether they know what it means
>>317472303
>red one is deathwing maw pretty much
anything interesting for mages to see being removed before it goes live or one week after release?
>>317475040
jesus christ youre fucking retarded
>>317475086
Improved Spellsteal
Spellsteal now has a 15 sec cooldown, but steals all spells from the target.
>>317472443
its a dk skill? please tell me yes
>>317474697
It's largely a cataclysm thing.
>>317472804
Fuck off with your stupid Metamorphosis bullshit, it ruined the spec and brought nothing but wannabe Demon Hunters to the class anyways.
Demo actually feels like demo again with an emphasis on summoning and controlling demons. Not some Illidan wannabe bitchass.
>>317475213
They could have easily included the demon summoning and controlling with metamorphosis.
>>317475040
You don't need as much micro rune control when all runes are death runes, relax man.
>>317475329
Yeah, that's precisely how it's been working, you controlled the demons and just meta'd as you could. Meta has nothing to do with Warlocks and the bullshit excuse for it during Green Fire was retarded.
It belongs to Demon Hunters, not Warlocks. Reroll if you're so worried about it. You likely rolled Warlock for it anyways. Demo is far improved with it gone.
>lets check talents for bullshit
>arcane familiar
nice . every mage spec is now frost! a shitty pet and no need to worry about anything!
>>317473335
Pvp talents only work in pvp
>>317475617
>every mage spec is now frost!
You mean every mage spec is now Wizard
>>317475617
Everyone played Frost because Frost was the best spec, so we buffed Frost since everyone plays it already solely because it was the best spec and made everyone everyone else Frost, again since everyone plays it and it was already the best spec.
>>317475617
>lasts for 30 seconds
Anyone else rerolling?
That level 100 talent for SP that kills you ... What
>>317475924
It only ends if you run out of Insanity, which by the looks of it won't be possible in combat unless you fuck up.
>>317475845
I might go back to enhance, but elemental also looks to be way more fun than it is now.
I like the new Frost DK talents and several of the class changes!
Only real complaint I have is the death of Soul Reaper. I liked that skill.
>>317475924
It's so you can suicide to make Ret Pallies stronger. Warlocks will be suiciding with Soulstones to make them stronger too, just to suicide again later.
SPriests and Warlocks are now Ret Pallies Aura Buffs.
>>317476073
>wasting battle resses on a meagre 100% extra damage for 10 seconds
>>317474835
The maelstrom as the portal was a last minute thing and the reasoning was that as a point of magic displacement it was weak enough to penetrate into from the elemental plane.
That was the original reasoning.
Now it seems blizzard has "forgotten" this and seem to think that it's now a "place of elements" simply because thrall was there and Deathwing died there.
In the original lore this place was purely arcane hell, magic distortion. Hell there were even arcane arcane infused super naga that were created through exposure simply because Azshara didn't give a fuck.
I can't tell if blizzard is retarded or they actively listen to their market department by doing things based off what the newest players (who've never touched the lore) have seen. Since Thrall and shamans had the most "visible" development in cata they must think new players will only understand the maelstrom is something shaman related.
>>317475924
It looks pretty easy to keep insanity up honestly
I getting a strange feeling that ret pallys might get a bit too ridicluous
>>317476185
I could easily see Locks suiciding to Soulstone back just for a quick burst damage increase for Ret Pallies in key situations.
nothing fun for dks or mages in talents
>>317476464
I can't. The only "reliable" source of self damage warlocks have is Burning Rush and that is only 4% of your health every second.
>>317476524
Good, maybe Blizz will finally stop babying both of them.
>look at Shamans changes
>they added everything Nert and the community suggested years ago
>Ride the lightning, Lightning Lasso, Earth Shock stuns at full charge, Shamanism, etc, etc
now that they separated PVP and PVE moves it's possible to ungimp Shamans, holy shit.
re-fucking-subbed.
>>317476256
>as a point of magic displacement
More like point of magic disappointment
>>317476584
last time they babied dks was at release of wotlk
and mage? guess you are still upset about that armor icon at vanilla , sorry pal you suck at your class
>>317476557
>running into others purposely with burning rush because locks are easy kills
>die
>ret pallies get a buff
>soulstone and then fear as you don't come back at full health
>multi-dot
>drain life
Very possible.
Enh. shaman sounds pretty dope. I'm excited
>in the year of our lord 2015 almost +1
>STILL playing world of warcraft
Anon... why.. what are you doing with your life?
>>317476690
You don't seriously expect it to be usable in PvP?
>>317476679
Are you telling me DKs haven't been babied and broken since Wrath? Come on, they needed their own fucking arena bracket in WoD because of how broken and overpowered they were in competitive scenes.
As for Mages, I take it you forgot all about how bad they were at Cata's release and how much consistent CC they have compared to every other ranged class in the game barring Hunters. Hell the only time a Mage hasn't been top of the charts was MoP and solely because Warlocks were just as ridiculous then.
>>317476835
Yes. They've already said the PvE talents will also carry over into the PvP side of things.
How are hunters looking?
>making Overpower a talent for arms
>making Rend a talent in the same tier as Bladestorm
>making Heroic Strike a talent
Another middle finger to arms warriors. Let's make necessary skills talents guys!
>>317476981
better than just cutting them completely like in WoD
>>317477073
do other classes have necessary spec skills as talents? no. fuck off.
>>317477126
cry harder nerd
>>317477126
How do you know it's necessary you flaming drongo?
>>317477126
Since they made them talents they're obviously not necessary anymore.
>>317476842
sorry i play a mmorpg if i wanted a competitive genre i would play a fps , wasn't talking about runing in circles
>>317477126
Warlocks do as well, don't worry.
>>317472303
>play a male night elf Prot Warrior
>all shields are like 50% size on me for some reason
Hope they fix that shit in Legion
>>317477257
>wasn't talking about runing in circles
You mean just like PvE? Where you run in circles to avoid standing in bad shit? It's the same shit on both sides, don't act like it isn't.
These actually look pretty good.
>>317477336
You wanted protection, you got protection. Hell, in real there are shields that are as tall as a person.
Need to decide what class to play in Legion. Thinking paladin, warrior, or enh shaman.
Which one you think will be more broken good.
>>317477490
I think he's saying that for some reason shields are extremely SMALL on blood elves, 50% the size they are on other races proportionally.
>>317477619
Both Paladin and Shaman looks to be in a great position.
>>317477619
I wouldn't recommend playing a healer, at least going by the class previews they all looked pretty boring except for Discipline.
>curses
>auras
>Disc can DPS
>MOTHERFUCKING BOLVAR CONFIRMED
>>317477796
Yeah I played a healer from vanilla to WotLK and I am done with that. I'll probably end up going Paladin since prot/ret looks fun.
>tfw Paladin
I'm even more ready for that qt femgnome hunter with pink hair now.
>>317478120
It's not wanting to pull up on my phone, what's happening?
Guardian looks ok, I'm disappointed the affinities don't give stat boosts so bearcatting will still be inefficient. I was also looking forward to the Moonfire talent, but that's on the same tier as the new combined Berserk and Incarnation. Overall the expansion looks great. Still not buying it until it is released and confirmed not-shit. WoD convinced me to never buy another WoW expansion on release, I couldn't even play for the first week.
>>317478307
oh shiiiiit
Taming humanoids would be better but still really fucking cool.
These aren't talents, it's still that MoP kiddie crap.
>>317478120
>that glorious feel when smiting demons and heretics
>tfw Vengeance looks beyond amazing with several strikes, brands, auras, and sigils
>>317475617
frost has a level 15 talent that gets rid of the water elemental
but thats okay, you can keep shitposting like a retard, im sure that is a good use of your time
>>317476185
>have 15 ret paladins
>spriest dies
>double raid dps for 10 sec
>>317471867
I'm liking the concept behind the changes - the specs/classes have lost their iconic feeling they used to have when the game was new. I still don't like how you get only 1 talent every 15 levels, that's a bit boring when leveling.
>>317473234
we diablo 3 now
>>317476524
youre blind and/or retarded
>>317471867
DESTRO WARLOCK
15: Talents are basic skills now torn away from a Warlock. Everyone is going to pick Shadowburn anyway since the other increases conflag and the other is another basic skill that was used for AoE
30: Are they fixing Mana since 'Chaos Bolt gives 25% Mana sounds fishy, Roaring Blaze and Mana Tap sound cool
45: Meh
60: Cata moved down? Interesting? Ability to refill all 'Soul Shards' (Fuck you Blizz) is Alright. Chaos Bolt weakening target for 6 seconds is Awesome.
75: Who the fuck is gonna use Demonic Circle? Pact please!
90: Grimoire stuff pushed up, nothing changed
100: Channel Demonfire looks cool. Wreck Havoc seems beneficial for duel bosses.
>>317471867
>"talents"
Talents died in Mists of Shitaria my friend.
>>317477619
fury, enhancement, and ret all look incredible
>Bloodworms back
YES
>interesting stuff gets leaked
>Blizzard get butthurt about it or more likely: 'No that was the developers having fun'
>never sees release
>rinse and repeat
>>317479295
I feel like this is a good thing.
>>317472148
love this one:
>Pouncing Strikes
>Rake now has a 10 yard range, causing you to leap to targets when used.
>>317479620
depends on how cookie cutter it gets. while there is a lot of variety in early to mid game in diablo 3, once you get to T8 or so min maxing becomes necessary.
and we all know how much wow loves its endgame
http://beta.wowdb.com/spells/198126
Chilled to the Bone
Your Frost Nova and your Water Elemental's Freeze deals 45,000 Frost damage when the effect ends.
Damage is doubled if Frost Nova or Freeze are dispelled.
>damage is doubled if dispelled
>doubled
>>317479769
min maxing has been a thing since vanilla, so who knows. It's probably inevitable.
>>317479792
Why you stealing unstable affliction frost mages?
>>317479379
>everybody is gonna pick shadowburn because the others have [insert actual uses]
I hope you know that minigames are irrelevant
>>317476968
Cool as FUCK.
>>317476968
marksmanship is GOAT
>>317474631
All your runes are now death runes so it doesn't matter. Smash dat Marrowrend.
http://beta.wowdb.com/spells/203286-greater-pyroblast
GREATER
PYROBLAST
>Bonestorm is a talent
Probably not as cool as the real thing, but I like what I see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Z1jSKjfTA
artifact weapon animations
man some of those are really ballin
>>317476274
It drains faster the longer you remain in voidform. So eventually it would not be possible to sustain.
>siphon life is back
>corruption lasts forever
>>317471867
Holy shit Ret becomes awesome.
They steal so much from HoTs and diablo 3.
http://beta.wowhead.com/item=132466/platinum-repose
The World-Drop Legendaries seem to be a bit on the fucking strong side. Can already see the "You need xx Legendaries to join the raid/guild" posts.
>>317480807
no because thats retarded
it wont be about the number of legendaries, it will be what legendary you have. The one shown at blizzcon that lets your HoTs and DoTs tick for their full damage sometimes will be mandatory for r druids and affliction warlocks
>>317480786
i usually buy them at 25k, what the fuck is happening
>Surrender to Madness
>Surrender to the Old Gods, sacrificing your soul for ultimate power.
>All your Insanity-generating abilities generate 300% more Insanity, until you exit Voidform, then you die. Requires Voidform.
>>317480913
theyre all dried up anon
What realms do yall play on. Fuck /vg/ and those max autists.
>>317481478
Illidan and Stormrage.
>>317471867
>demonic circle is now a talent
After everything they did to us in WoD? Wasn't that the "congratulations on nearly reaching level 70" spell in BC? And now that, too, is taken from me?
http://beta.wowdb.com/spells/196710-lord-of-flames
WE DEMON LORD NOW
"Lord of Flames
Your Rain of Fire now also rains Infernals."
>>317481549
>in BC
This is a pretty cool talent, cant wait to try out on soft enrage bosses
>Prot Warrior
>Into the Fray
>"You gain 5% Haste for each Enemy within 10 yards, up to 5 enemies."
Warriors lead the way, always.
>Once more into the fray,
>Into the last good fight I’ll ever know.
>Live and die on this day.
>Live and die on this day.
>>317481817
It's been a long time, anon. Was it actually the "nearly level 80" spell in Wrath?The first time I ever dicked around with it was at the Sunwell place. Circle on a raised platform, fight on the floor and teleport back up.
>>317482054
I remember dicking around with it in zul'drak just as I got it
>>317471867
they already fucked up my spec with the stupid fucking pet water jet.
>>317481618
>Haunt is finally not the entire basis of Afflic
>Artifact is a scythe
>Karazhan Crypt
>Main focus back on my oldschool DoTs
>Lord of Flames rains Infernals
And here I thought I could finally go back to playing Afflic...thanks Blizz...guess I'll stay Destro for cool RoF.
>people are actually getting hyped for this
fucking retards, did you completely forget wod or something?
>>317476968
>still playing 1 role class
How's teenage life?
>>317482919
Remember when people said MoP would be bad because of Cata? Yeah how'd that turn out? Oh, it was actually a lot of fun, oh but wait muh pandas and muh year of siege (only bad part about MoP).
Leg looks like leaps and fucking bounds above anything we've seen in years.
>>317483047
>Leg looks like leaps and fucking bounds above anything we've seen in years.
guess what people were saying about wod when it was being hyped up?
>>317478772
That should be a SPriest ability.
>>317483117
WOD was fun while it had momentum. Guess what it lost at the end of the leveling?
>>317483117
I remember a lot of "Time travel is stupid and so is the gimmick of this expansion" and various other insults the xpac got prior to release.
Only amount of praise I saw for it was back to Draenor we BC 2.0 now.
How is crafting right now? Are all choices mostly fine? Any standouts?
>NA tokens are now 50K each
JUST
>>317483327
>>317483278
people were praising wod saying it will be the rebirth of the golden age of wow and some other horseshit
whatever, its your money
>>317483635
There are people who say that about anything and everything, stop trying to say they represent the entirety of everyone.
>zen sphere is removed
yessss.
Fury looking good too. Arms still looks janky, but at least there's more buttons now.
Have they said how dual spec is going to work with artifacts? Can we get both or does it change based on spec or does only one spec here he weapon and you have to fuck off wanting dual spec?
>>317483278
The first month of WoD was completely fine.
Its just everything past that that wasnt.
Its a complete inversion of MoP, where people had an issue with the launch but then they ironed out most of the issues.
>>317482342
Check the tier1 talent for frost mages.
>>317484081
You can get them all, but you will spend ingame resources on upgrading them so you cant just enhance them evenly.
They also said there will be catchup mechanism for your offspec artifacts.
>>317484134
I really enjoyed MoP up until the eternity of nothingness, then again I didn't have any negative disposition against pandas to hinder my enjoyment in any way.
>>317484081
I pretty sure dual spec is gone, and you can switch specs anytime
Shadow is looking like it's going down the right track. I hope they do something to Shadowy Apparitions to make it a bit more exciting as it's been nothing but the most passive of damage and they're scrapping Auspicious Spirits.
I doubt Surrender to Madness will make it into the final game; it's much too fun and exploitable to fit WoW's criteria.
>getting hyped for an expansion made by the team that made WoD
>>317484338
With the launch I mean the endless dailies which tired plenty of people out.
But Blizz realized that this was a problem and every following patch devalued the dailies further.
Overall Mop was pretty good. Favorite expansion by far.
>>317484337
Will there be ANY weapon drops in this xpac? Using a dungeon blue for offspecing could work while progressing.
warlock talens feel so underwhelming.
even affliction self healing seems bad... I mean... fucking warriors and rogues have better on-demand self healing.
~effigy will never make it live because people will bitch about it
And howl of terror is now a passive proc when 30% hp? seriously?
also, the "40% current mana for 15% damage boost" will never make it live.
>>317482430
P Sure Rain of Fire is Baseline?
>>317484420
I should say they're scrapping what made Auspicious Spirits fun; now it's just your ghosts do more damage.
>>317484818
No other weapons in this.
I assume that upgrading the weapons will work just like we get new weapons right now.
So you will get some upgrade points from running 5mans, then you cap that part of the weapon and move onto raids or whatever and then run the 5mans some more to upgrade your offspec weapons.
>>317484251
Oh cool, now I can get rid of the stupid mandatory pet. Getting rid of Prismatic Crystal is great as well.
but Rune of Power and Incanter's Flow still exists.
>We get the most iconic ultra-legendary weapons ever
>They will stay on the shelf next expansion
Goddamit Blizzard get your shit togheter. What is the point of having a huge world if only the last zone of the last expansion is relevant?
RIP
Also crimson vial is op
>>317485321
Incanters flow isnt so bad.
No clue why they are keeping that shitty Rune of Power though.
At least make it Arcane only.
Outlaw is the sickest fucking shit.
Ranged moves, throwing the dice for buffs, parley as CC, Cannonball rain move, grappling hook deathgrip, find treasure, bribing enemies to fight for you.
Like holy shit this is 10/10.
>>317485449
>RIP
>STILL believing he will die to furries
wew lad
>>317481549
>After everything they did to us in WoD?
Warlocks had the best class for two expansions in a row now and faggots still cry like bitches.
Worst playerbase. At least Shamans had a reason to be upset for a decade.
>>317485293
That means you have to do two separate quest chains before even starting on legion content.
I hope lvling as healer will be viable like they promised.
>>317475607
lore-wise tho, the demon hunter who attained the power for metamorphosis did so by absorbing the skull of gun-dan.
Get it now? Demon hunters can only metamorph by swallowing the powers and memories as well as mastery over demons that warlocks attain over the years by studying how to control , manipulate and enhance the flow of fel/demon energies.
It doesn't make sense for demon hunters to have metamorphosis because the only DH to have metamorphed , ever, did so with the aid of a warlock's power and knowlege on fel energies combined.
>>317476968
BM finally looks good
i have barely touched the spec since naxx, hyped now
very unsure about MM, i'm gonna miss the ridiculous aimed->chimaera crits that just chunks people into kill shot range instantly, but it could be fun.
survival looks sick, but there's too much melee in the game now
probably gonna be BM for most things
MM could be fun-tier in BG's with the long range pvp talents.
>>317485348
You are just allowed to borrow them for fighting the legion.
>>317486023
I dont think that the opening quests for the artifacts will be very long.
>>317485749
Too bad none of it will see it to release because "not enough time to make the mechanics" or "class balance"
>>317485749
Having a Goblin Rogue is perfect for that spec.
>>317483635
Hey man, its not like I'm spending it on other games :)
So /v/ if I want to start playing a class who has tank as one spec and healer as the other which class is better. Druid or Paladin?
>>317471867
>Hunter
I like what I'm seeing
>>317486197
>being this much of a pissy cunt
Because tweaking eviscerate to do damage at 20yards is the biggest feat.
You retards are more obnoxious than the worst fanboys.
>>317474176
Fuck you, as a monk main I'm pissed about what they are doing by removing all our personal utility and changing TeB into generic 90s CD.
Also ToD's damage is delayed by 8 seconds after cast, so now it can get countered in PvP and be useless on important adds in PvE fights that have to die asap.
>Frost death knight
>Can't even 2h anymore
>Unholy
>Will never get dw options again
>Blood
>Will never be DPS again
to be honest family, they fucked Death knights over ever since Cata.
>>317486058
If only Illidan can Metamorph then how come all those random demon hunters you recruited in WC3 could too?
Check mate, autist.
>>317473234
>2013
>we are stat squishing the game in WoD, there's just too high numbers
>2016
>2000 int + 3000 stam on an item
kek
When did Shadow priests become this Old God magic shit? I always viewed Shadow Priests as the different side of the same coin. For there to be light, there must be darkness and all that. I thought it had more to do with the void rather than Old Gods madness.
>warriors got unfucked a bit
Am I on bizarro earth
>>317486623
I literally just replayed WC3 2 days ago.
There's no demon hunter recruiting.
weak as fuck bait considering Ilidan only gains his ultimate ability (metamorph) when he consumes a Warlock's powers through the skull of Gul'dan.
>>317486405
DKs were overpowered bullshit since day one and everyone just kept a blood dk around for shit and giggles, anyone maining a dk is just a fucking faggot
I had the old version of Grimoire of Supremacy. Does this mean I can no longer summon the "upgraded" versions of Demons?
>>317485348
is this confirmed?
>>317486753
>butthurt paladins.jpg
>>317486680
They wanted to make shadow more distinct from warlocks.
>>317486754
What game is this model from? Not for science, I actually want to know for study purposes.
>>317486680
The problem with Shadow Priests was that they were always this mess of undefined darkshit magic and that they never properly elaborated on the duality aspect of the class.
You had some void stuff, you had some psychilogical madness and fear shit and you had completely unrelated vampirism.
And its not even really changing. Like you got the insanity bar now, but then you go into voidform and cast vampiric embrace.
>>317486869
butthurt paladins?
holy paladins were deathknight's best buddies throughout wotlk Arena pvp.
what are you, a cata baby?
>>317486794
unofficially yes
>>317486680
That's how it was but then metzen was all DUDE LMAO CORRUPTION
>>317486753
>still butthurt about dk in 2015
>>317486980
>A death knight and holy paladin being best friends
Thank heavens gameplay isn't always lore.
>mage since TBC
>will inevitably end up playing for a few months at some point
>want to try melee out for once
That said, I'm struggling to decide between Warrior and Druid.
>>317486904
It's a modified version of the Shivarra from World of Warcraft.
>>317486405
Threat of Thassarian should have been baseline. Allowing all melee abilities to deal additional damage with the offhand.
Then whatever 2H passive should have been as well.
Then with the removal of hit/expertise, Dual Wield tanks could have been a thing.
>>317471867
>ret paladins STILL have fucking "holy power"
NO! FUCK YOU IT'S A SHITTY RESOURCE
>>317486680
>>317487010
>The Void is a force in the Warcraft universe, closely connected to the Old Gods, and which is also referred to as dark energy
Don't blame Blizzard for your mistaken of not keeping up with the lore
>>317487289
>Shadow priests just use to follow the shadow, which was the dark version of the light
DUDE CORRUPTION LMAO
>>317486405
DK player since Wrath here.
Stop your bitching. You realize DKs are one class, right? Each spec isn't supposed to do everything. Every other class in the game is restricted to particular weapons and roles by spec, DK isn't an exception.
There are things worth whining about when it comes to DK, but this isn't one of them.
>>317487009
This is beyond stupid. What the hell were they thinking?
Also, we deal with legion, Azshara, Emerald nightmare this expansion. What the hell will be left? OGs and then we pack home?
>>317487256
Rets deserve it.
They removed it from all the respectable Paladin specs.
Is it true that Paladins and Hunters will be getting Charges that are better versions then Warriors?
>>317487384
ret IS paladin. That's what we do is purge.
>>317487354
Void is the direct opposition of light in the Warcraft universe.
>>317487380
>Azshara
>What the hell will be left? OGs and then we pack home?
Actually we are only dealing with one army which Azshara sent on the broken shores. Azshara herself can be left for the next expansion.
>>317486191
The quests go, essentially
>Get quest out of the blue
>Do scenario
>Get weapon
Done
>>317487372
DK player also since wrath here.
No. You're a faggot.
>>317487514
Good to see that DK players are still the biggest retards.
>>317487514
Perhaps, but at least I'm a faggot that has a grasp on the realities of the game.
>>317486753
>maining
theres that fucking word again
>>317487289
The void has nothing to do with Shadow priests at all. Shadow magic is described to be a fundamental force within The Holy Light. Something like Dark Matter. They should just have given it a different name so it would not be confused with Warlocks Shadow Magic. Which is dark magic.
>Main class is a warrior
The talent choices are much better, but holy shit I can't decide between Carnage and Reckless Abandon for Fury. They both sound so good.
>Second main is Hunter
Beast Mastery talents lead me to believe that BM will finally be in the spotlight again. Marksmanship also looks solid as hell. Can't judge Survival though, we don't have any-VOLLEY IS BACK OH GOD MY DICK
I don't play the rest of the classes all that much, so I'm not sure what to say about their talents. Outlaw looks fun though.
>>317487514
Fuck you m8.
DKs were completely fucking OP when Wrath launched, you already had your fun.
You and fucking Ret Paladins.
>>317471867
>actual good warrior changes
I wont get fooled again, Glad stance was a marked improvement and look what they did to that in less than a month
