Final Fantasy Tactics is objectively the best Final Fantasy game ever made.
close but i like 12izjs more. either way, matsuno makes the best games
Vagrant Story is the best Final Fantasy game ever made
I've never played a final fantasy game and I want to get into it. Where should I start?
This is true.
>>317430135
Final Fantasy Tactics.
>>317430135
Start with Final Fantasy Tactics.
best gameplay and story of any game in the series.
>>317429716
I had a good feeling
>>317429813
I love 12's gameplay but everything else about it is a mess. Also Matsuno left part way through development.
>>317430216
>>317430197
Does this fall into the canon story of the Roman numeral FF's or is it just a side game?
>>317430654
None of the Final Fantasy games have connected stories unless they're sequels to games like 10-2 or 13-2.
>>317430654
They all have different stories. All stand on their own and most aren't even on the same planet.
>>317429716
I had final fantasy tactics advanced on my gameboy for years before my friend stole it and then moved across the state some time later.
I never got it back.
>>317429716
>>317430827
>>317430867
Ah I see alright thanks
I beg to differ
>>317431110
baby game for babies
>>317431269
spotted the gay
>>317431110
>Need three friends, four GBAs, and four link cables to actually play
yeah, okay
>>317429716
You havnet lived intill you play mystic quest, final fantasy wouldnt be around today without it
>Both FFT and Tactics Ogre are dead
>>317429716
>the best FFs are games where they strayed away from traditional RPG elements
I wonder why
![final-fantasy-tactics-ramza-fmv1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/G30y2GY.jpg "final-fantasy-tactics-ramza-fmv1[1].jpg")
Ramza is undoubtedly the best protagonist of any Final Fantasy game.
>>317431472
I'd give anything for another console FFT game.
>>317431269
Duodecim was better and even that wasn't as good as some of the mainline games.
>>317430827
Not necessarily true 5 is a story sequel to 3 and 10 is a prequel to 7. Also the Void connects all dimensions that the various FF's take place in.
>>317431743
And FFT, FFTA, FFTA2, and FFXII all take place in Ivalice doesn't mean their stories are connected in any way.
>>317431743
Those are all very, very loose connections though.
I find this game to be painfully slow and overrated in general.
>>317431542
I don't even understand, most of the modern tactics type games can't even manage multiple elevations on the maps, they're all pretty god damned flat. Never mind the fact that we'll probably never see any more games with the FFT/TO type aesthetic and style either. What happened to this genre is one of the tragedies of modern vidya.
>>317431920
Did you play WotL without the patch? Because that version has a lot of slowdown.
>>317431347
Imagine if they redid that today but got rid of the four GBA shit? Just shove that on the Wii U and have controller support. Shit would be great.
>>317430135
4, 5, 6, 7, or 10
>>317429716
*best game ever made ever all years
>>317431997
The structure of SRPGs has no place with modern video games and the more casual, younger crowd now. The only reason something like Fire Emblem still exists now is because it draws people in through waifus and husbandos now and added in a shitload of casual features to prevent today's gamers from getting frustrated and dropping the game.
>>317432027
It wasn't slowdown, the battles just take way too fucking long. They should include a fast-forward or a skip feature.
8
>>317430135
Final Fantasy 7 is the most popular and is very good.
Final Fantasy Tactics is incredible but plays differently than any other Final Fantasy game. It's more similar to Fire Emblem/Tactics Ogre as it was made by the same people as TO.
Final Fantasy IX is really underrated.
Final Fantasy VI and IV are both also great.
XII is pretty alright. 10 isn't very good, 13 is NOT good. 1 and 2 are pretty bland now, 3 is pretty alright, 5 is decent.
>>317430135
>>317430197
>>317430216
Don't listen to Tatics people! If you wanna get into the whole series don't listen to them.
Start out with either 1, 4, or 5 if you wanna focus on the classic side first or 7 9 or 10 if you care more about the modern stuff first. Listening to tactics and starting folks only sets up you up to be a whiner just like them and you will never enjoy the series
>>317432752
I dunno, Ive always thought VI was the best. Its got a little of everything in it.
>>317432117
>>317432745
>>317432752
Oh I see I'll probably start with 4 or 7 then make my way
>>317429716
post your face when you run into the map with 11 monks
Algus did nothing wrong.
>>317431743
10 is connected to 7?
can you elaborate?
>>317433007
You save the best for last,bro
>>317433087
he was a piece of shit what are you talking about
It's objectively the best game ever made. Period. I look at all the faggots around today who piss themselves in anticipation waiting for the next episode of Game of Thrones and think, "Bitch, FFT already did it, and did it better."
>>317433084
Plot twist: I brought Orlandu, Beowulf and three calculators.
>>317432745
>Final Fantasy 7 is the most popular and is very good.
Overrated
>Final Fantasy Tactics is incredible but plays differently than any other Final Fantasy game. It's more similar to Fire Emblem/Tactics Ogre as it was made by the same people as TO.
Correct
>Final Fantasy IX is really underrated.
It's furdorian garbage.
>Final Fantasy VI and IV are both also great.
Correct
>XII is pretty alright.
Correct
>10 isn't very good, 13 is NOT good.
meme hate parroted endlessly.
>1 and 2 are pretty bland now, 3 is pretty alright, 5 is decent.
1 holds up if you play the PSP version, no version of 2 is good, 3 is forgettable, 5 is great.
>>317433103
Something something Shinra in X-2
>>317431743
Please, they're connected the same way Total War. Rome and GTA V are connected. The former could be a prequel to the later.
>>317431472
it dies when you forget about it
>>317433063
Yeah, I'd start with 7 if I were you, it's a good introduction to the series. It's a mid point in the games both mechanically and graphically but it has some of the best story.
After that, IV would be good, maybe VI or IX. I said in my last post that IX is underrated but what I shouldve said that it's also excellent. I'm not sure why it doesn't get more mass appeal but that's okay.
If you're trying to decide between IV and VII something that may help you decide is 4 is much more traditional fantasy based and 7 is more cyberpunk with fantasy mixed in.
>>317433084
>>317433513
oh shit, i forgot about that guy
but he's not in 10 though is he?
>>317433670
Nope, the connection was only added in X-2.
>>317432597
>They should include a fast-forward or a skip feature.
Please. It's an srpg. That's like saying crpgs should skip character creation/development.
>>317432745
I've seen the sentence "Final Fantasy IX is underrated." so many times on the internet, that it's probably not even true anymore. Same with games like Majora's Mask and Wind Waker.
>>317429716
tactics was unbalanced shit, tactics advance is the best final fantasy game.
>>317433461
>Rating my ratings
I realize this is /v/ but, you're seriously going to give me one word responses? At least put some effort into it.
7 is overrated probably but that doesn't make it not a good game, especially compared to, say, 8, 10, 13 or 2.
FF9 is excellent story wise, mechanically and character wise. It has probably some of the best sense of adventure out of any of the games, for me at least. It has some of the best art direction and city design. The animal people have next to nothing to do with those things, with the exception of, say, Freya and she's a great character. The rest is really just window dressing, nothing to get bothered over.
>>317434014
Fedora's Mask
Shitwaker
FF9
All of these are the same fanbase.
>>317434014
>on the internet
that's probably why
>>317433169
The irony.
Go play Tactics Ogre and then come back.
>>317434138
I love FF9 and I never even played a Zelda game.
>>317434014
I think a lot of people like it but it doesn't have the mass appeal that VII or even VIII has. It is kind of a forgotten game.
The reason that I continue to say that it's underrated and the only reason that bothers me is that Square has remade or AT LEAST re-released/remastered in HD every other Main Series game except VI and IX.
For that reason I think VI is kind of an underdog, too, despite that most everyone who have played either VI and IX love it. So, I apologize, maybe underrated is not a correct term.
>>317434175
Which one? Not the guy youre referring to but I've always wanted to play a TO and didn't know where to start. Chronologically by release?
>>317434580
To be honest, it's not necessarily the best but I'd say start with the PSP remake of Let us cling together.
It looks beautiful and plays great. Has the added advantage of being able to "time-travel" when you finish the game to try all other paths/recruit characters that died before etc. It's a really well done remake.
>>317434990
Forgot to add that you can easily emulate it on PPSSPP. Even a toaster will run it.
>>317434990
Awesome, thank you for your answer, I was hoping you'd say that one cause I've wanted to play it for a while but just wasn't sure if I should play another one first.
Too bad the sequels sucked big time.
>>317435890
huh? FFTA is a great game.
FFTA2 is a great game gameplay wise but the story sucks dick compared to FFTA and FFT.
>>317434990
Actually playing it on my phone right now.
>>317431472
>>317431542
>>317431997
>>317432305
Well there are several indie trying. These are still in development yet though.
The fucking closest in term of graphics. Also the prettiest looking one.
Arcadian Atlas
http://www.indiedb.com/games/arcadian-atlas
Playdek MMO SRPG
Unsung Story
http://unsungstory.com/
Another one that have crap pixel graphic but actually got a demo and it's pretty fun.
Street Posse Showdown
http://www.indiedb.com/games/street-posse-showdown
Then we have japanese devs still doing SRPG. These are actually finished products unlike above but their quality isn't great.
Rime Berta (PC)
http://store.steampowered.com/app/312600/
Stella Glow (3DS)
http://www.atlus.com/stellaglow/
Multiple elevation isometric SRPG is still well and alive, considering the deluge of tactics turn based games in the market lately. You also will want to try Hard West if you enjoy TRPG. It is just recently released on Steam.I am of course assuming you fags already play the Ogre Battle and Tactics Ogre series. If not, play it. The gameplay is far better.
>>317435101
Dude, PPSSPP works fucking voodoo and its the best fucking thing.
>>317429716
The Tactics Ogre remake on PSP is better
>>317436369
Huh, yes that's what I was saying. It's scientifically proven it was developed by wizards and you can install and run it on an abacus.
I had FFTA for my advance SP. Me and my cousin loved it. Sometimes I'd give him the cartridge at church on Sunday and then get it back the next Sunday and I'd get to discover all the new characters items and jobs he had got during his week. Those were some of the best times of my life. I haven't seen him in 6 years...
>>317436693
my grandpa got bloodclots last week, and i saw one of my triplet cousins for the first time in seven years.
if i lived in the deep south, we'd fug
>>317436693
Did you guys fuck? Hot, steamy cousin-on-cousin action is surprisingly common.
Give him a call anon, tell him you miss him and invite him to play some videogames with you
>>317436468
To each their own but I found the story in Tactics Ogre to be a bit too much to swallow. Just feels extremely dull. I do want to get over that and play it again one day. Until then, FFT just has a good amount of enjoyment from the story and the gameplay combined. Both of them may not be the best of the best, but both of them feel really well done to me. Its almost impossible to find that in a game. Usually you get one or the other. Like Nier feels like it has the best story of all time, but paired with sub-par gameplay.
>>317436876
>>317436929
what is wrong with you
>>317436929
My parents split up years ago, that would have been about the last time I saw him. I'm going on 19 now so he'd be about 25 I believe. I highly doubt he really remembers me or really cares to talk with me
>>317437037
Which version do you think is better, PS1 or PSP?
>>317437292
PSP with the slowdown patch.
>>317437208
everything was fine until now
>>317437401
wait there's a patch for that?
>>317437456
Yes.
>>317437176
Worst case scenario he doesn't remember you and things go on like before. But who knows, maybe he does. Maybe he'll be happy you thought of him.
Just give him a call and say you stumbled upon some pictures while sorting out old crap and thought you'd ask how he was doing.
>>317437292
Obviously PSP, just get a patch that fixes the slowdown.
Hey, is that faget who decided the game was really boring and slow after deciding to grind for like 3 hours after the second actual battle here? I wanna laugh at him some more.
>>317437510
>>317437558
Is this the correct one or is there a different one?
http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=8490.0
It's a pretty shit game.
>>317437843
Yeah, that's probably it. When I used it I just googled it and got the first or second result.
It's perfectly playable without the patch to be honest, it's just better with it.
>>317436468
Story wise, definitely
Gameplay wise, definitely...not.
TO's gameplay is really simplistic compared to FT. For most classes, magic users aside, all that changes are what stats you have and what weapons you can use. And most of the customization options you get are just what passives you are going to equip to boost your damage. There are active skills, but they are heavily outnumbered by passives for what you are gonna actually use.
And fights generally just devolve into huge slow clusterfucks
And the whole "all classes start at level 1" is unacceptable, especially for anything you get on NG+ (which is a fair amount if you don't do Law first)
Not to mention that the class changing system is kinda dumb, especially for the unique classes (Sure, I wanna run this entire dungeon for like 2 copies of the pirate class card)
FFT's gameplay on the otherhand, while not perfect, I feel is better in nearly every way. Combat is fast, attacks feel powerful, every class has unique actives and passives, customization is more preference based rather than just what passives boost damage the most (though thats not to say there aren't OP skills, there are)
Only thing Id have liked for FFT is a at least somewhat larger party size.
>>317430286
by everything else do you mean the plot? because the music and graphics are fantastic
>>317438232
>Attacks feel powerful
I loved this in the FFT games. The melee attacks felt like you were fucking clobbering your target
>>317438114
Alright thanks
>>317433084
>They go first
>You put your party in a straight line
>Or worse, in cross formation
FF1: pretty good for its time, but has been outdone
FF2: not bad, the remakes are better, and what it tried was done better with the SaGa games
FF3: one of the best FF games, improved upon the class system of 1 by a lot
FF4: decent, but the story sucks and the gameplay is too strict
FF5: quite possibly the best FF and Sackaguchi's best game
FF6: garbage, the beginning of the end for FF
FF7: even worse, classes no longer matter, the beginning of cinematic experience in FF, dungeons and bosses are jokes, the most overrated FF game ever
FF8: like 7, but with more retarded gameplay elements like Junction, and characters are even shittier, this one deserves all the hate it gets
FF9: if you liked 4, you'll love this one, personally thought it sucked because battles were slow as molasses and the plot was shit, and they still didn't bring back the god tier battle system of 1-3-5
FF10: terrible level design, terrible battle system, terrible plot and cast
FF11: lol, mmorpg
FF12: had potential, but ended up being shit because it played like an offline mmorpg and they shat on Matsuno's ideas
FF13: it's like merging the worst aspects of FF7 and FF10 into one game
FF14: lol, mmorpg
FF died at 7 and hasn't been good since then.
Thanks, Kitase.
>>317432745
Should I play the special international version of FFXII or the normal version?
>50 hours into izjs
>only level 50
>still finding tons of new loot
>some marks still wiping the floor with me
>still have to find practically all the espers
>still areas i haven't figured out how to get to
>still have to track down some super weapons/equipment
>plot is still 9/10
>all them sidequests
>all them secret areas
>by the way, hunt club
>that music
>that turbo mode
This is truly the best mainline Final Fantasy game.
>read this thread
>FFT and TO couple of my favorites of all time
>week long trip with the senpai next week
Time to dust off the psp
>>317429716
It took me years to realize that the ending had you all die.
>>317439076
>FF3 being one of the best
>FF4 having bad story
>FF6 Garbage
>FF7 being even worse
>FF6 being fucking Garbage (nobody says that)
I stopped about right there, damn you have bad taste.
I mean I guess you are entitled to your opinion, but damn
>>317429716
How is that possible, when Tactics Advance is a better game in the same franchise?
>>317439206
What? Ramza makes it out alive. Did you even play the game?
>>317439206
Well Matsuno has said that canonically Ramza and Alma at least survive.
But its deliberately ambiguous so you can make your own decisions on how it ended.
Sorta like Spike
>>317439076
So you just don't like anything that doesn't have the job system, okay.
>>317439097
international for sure.
the main change is that you choose classes for your characters instead of them all using the same license board (think sphere grid) so your characters don't end up all the same. it's basically a limitation imposed by the game, but it makes it way more interesting.
also it has turbo mode, which speeds up the gameplay 2x (in addition to battle speed, think emulator fast forward.) now i usually don't go in for fast forwarding in rpgs when i emulate, but when the devs think decide to program it into their own game, you better fucking believe it's for a good reason.
besides that it's a lot of re-balancing and revision
>>317439437
To be fair, the games with job systems are objectively superior mechanically, so he's not wrong.
>>317439290
>>317429716
>>317433084
>run a healthy mage team including a Summoner with Golem, and have Monks myself
BRING IT
>>317433084
I thought the fight with all the chemists was the worst.
>Healers healing healers healing healers healing healers healing
>>317433084
Blade grasp with high brave, and jump. Could be ok.
>>317439852
Ok, thanks anon.
>>317440027
>mechanically superior in every way
>innovates, unlike the bog standard FFT
>much more interesting world
>story that not only tackles heavy issues but is relevant to modern life, rather than just being Macbeth with summons
Sorry if it went over your head, anon.
>>317429716
>We'll never see Agrias in next gen 3D graphics
>>317440559
Not the same guy you are responding to. I like the original more because it was more adult in theme and there wasn't a judgement system. The problem with advance to me was that the non major story battle just felt like a bland group of enemies. I didn't pa any particular attention to an enemy unless it was a boss or a leader of some kind. In tactics I could immediately see what was going to be a threat and what was something I have an advantage over. I don't know just me, I did like having more classes open in general but some of them being race related kind of annoyed me as well.
>>317440559
>lack of height for the most part
>FFIX style AP system
>literal 12 year old protagonist
Not saying it was bad, but the only things it does better than FFT was Ritz and magic not having a delay, which can also be seen as a negative because that actually removes an element of planning such as moving out of the way of a spell or moving a character into the path of a haste spell.
>>317441102
>>317441225
Im 90% sure hes trolling guys.
>>317440867
I think she has a decent shot at the new Dissidia.
>>317441340
>>317441102
I am not
>>317441225
>>317429716
No it isn't
Stop this meme already
>>317441442
Oh sweet lordy seeing Agi Agi in that? Sign me the fuck up.
>>317440559
>mechanically superior in every way
No it's not. Shoe horned mechanics that only autists liked
>innovates, unlike the bog standard FFT
Neither can really be considered innovated. Made by the same people that made tactics ogre and they really didn't change much.
>much more interesting world
Your sad little opinion. but, it's yours
>story that not only tackles heavy issues but is relevant to modern life, rather than just being Macbeth with summons
FFTA story is pre-teen tier garbage
As a kid I really underestimated the potential of a oracle/mystic with high faith, hell give them the faith rod and they can petrify damn near anything.
What classes or setups did you overlook the first time through?
>>317441707
Well she hasn't been announced.
But Ramza has, so maybe in the future they will have more FFT characters.
Im just hoping a villain character gets announced to go with Ramza, Im betting Wiegraf or Delita, but Wiegraf seems more likely to me.
>>317441797
Chemists.
They are the most life saving job of all fucking time. And they carry cool little pouches too.
FFTA2 is the best FFT.
Come at me you niggers.
>>317441858
>>317441929
gameplay wise probably the best but the story is shit tier
>>317441858
Delita dindu nuffin
>>317431743
Wow that's complete bullshit, you diskless fuckfairy
>>317441858
I would love to see any Holy Knight and their sword skills in 3D version.
>>317441921
Agreed, I always assumed that since they were a beginning class they would have been worse. They are so much relief to have. Those guns help also.
>>317441981
it's probably better balanced than original fft but designed to be pretty fucking grind-centric with the ff9 abilities system
so if you're into that then yeah
>>317442056
Im kinda dissapointed that apparently Ramza is gonna basically be a support character. His skills are gonna be about buffing himself and his allies.
I guess they don't need 2 characters based around job changing since they already got Bartz for that.
All I can hope are that his act 2 and 4 outfits are available as alt costumes
>>317442003
Delita was a piece of shit
>>317441929
>FFT has a great story and good gameplay
>FFTA2 has a godawful story and moderately better gameplay.
Nah. Better than FFTA at least.
Delita is a stinky butt
>>317441797
It took me a long time to realize samurai had one of the best aoe heals in the game. Granted you could break swords in the process but it was damned good.
>>317441858
Give me Wiegraf and I will buy the game. Flat out.
>>317429716
FF: Tactics had better gameplay but Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together had a much better story. FF:T's story falls apart once it turns out demons were behind everything, Tactics Ogre doesn't pull any demon shit until the very final boss which is at least properly set up. I still liked them both quite a lot.
>>317442281
>>317442153
It's kinda fitting for him. That was his best role in FFT.
>>317441981
I admit, the story is pretty meh.
But that gameplay, holy shit.
>all those great hand drawn pixelmaps
>fun classes
>mixing fun classes to OP classes
>nearly every weapon was usefull as you learned skill with those
>hundreds of sidemissions
Dual handed paladins going 999 with Exaclibur and Excalibur 2 in each hand
Mogry Gunner charming the entire backrow of the enemy, causing havoc in their own rows.
Grias flying arround, mashing people with their swords.
Fucking A+ game.
>>317442375
I will agree that the latter introduction of demons was nice, but the inclusion of undead felt way too early to me. It was like oh hey you've made a decision? Good job....zombies and ghosts exist.
Let us cling together> FFTA2 > FFTA > FFT > Those ogre battle games.
>>317442415
I am an original tactics fan and I love the idea of more classes. What would you say makes a2 better than a?
>>317442153
>support character
But he rekt holy knights and defeated literal gods.
>>317442553
Well its not like the undead was supposed to be a big twist. They are just a thing that exists in that world, even if they are unnatural.
Demons however are supposed to be locked away, so thats why they don't show up until much later.
>>317442747
Fair enough. I just prefer staying as low fantasy as possible so that when something unnatural appears it has an oh shit effect. Tits for you.
>>317441858
I know I am thinking its most likely going to be Delita.
>>317442734
His shout was an amazing buff. It was the key to making him OP.
>>317442734
But he didn't do it alone.
The game pits you in a couple of 1v1 fights and they're the hardest parts without his old support abilities+a powerhouse class. And god forbid you decided to make him a ranged or mage class, or those few fights will curbstomp you.
>>317431472
>Only 4 Ogre Battle games
>the story has yet to even be concluded
>>317443009
I feel wiegraf is more likely because Wiegraf is a straight villain, while Delita is ambiguous, somewhere between anti-hero and anti-villain.
You have an actual fight with Wiegraf, while you never have a fight with Delita
You have a one on one fight with Wiegraf, the only mandatory one in the entire game.
And Wiegraf for his limit break could turn into Belius.
>>317442729
A better judge system.
No perma-death. Yes, perma death is really fucking shitty in such games.
A shitton more classes.
A shitton more weapons.
Weapon crafting.
Unlimited inventory space - fuck those 50 slot inventory in FFTA.
Auction minigame to get rare weapons.
This is what comes to my mind now.
>>317443173
You could argue that Wiegraf is an anti-villian who late becomes an anti-hero but I agree with you that he is more an actual enemy.
>>317443124
This
>>317441102 pic
it's a 1v1 fight that can be brutally hard and his buffs really shine
>>317443009
>>317441858
It's going to be Ultima. Final boss and basically the villain behind the entire plot.
>>317443306
Hes an anti-villain who becomes a straight villain dude.
>>317443186
Oh shit, also you start battles with 0 mana and regenerate 10 per turn.
This makes wizard classes not too OP as they have to get their way arround and manage their resources.
FFTA running 6 blackmages spamming Firega was a sure way to win every battle.
>>317442729
not him, but hes right, the gameplay was way better
The level up system wasnt a snore grind fest, fun classes, i dont know enough english to express myself, it was way more comfy i guess.
>>317443438
That would be hella lame.
Besides Ultima is basically Chaos level looks wise and otherwise, I doubt they would let you play as someone like that right off the bat.
>>317429716
Can you explain why? I can't get into Tactics.
>>317443186
Sounds interesting. Personally I like permadeath because it causes people to be less reckless and think things through more or suffer losing someone. I only have an issue with it in a fight where you have side objectives like steal a bunch of gear and you have to decide between a one time item appearance or a character you put work into.
>>317443438
That would be the worst possible choice.
>>317441858
>>317442303
how do you even pronounce wiegraf?
>we-graph
>view-graph
fuck me
>>317442553
oh its that level.
>>317443536
>>317443586
They used Cloud of Darkness as the villain character for FF3.
>>317443585
The only think perma death does it make people save scum when they lose somebody.
>>317443652
why-graph?
>>317443652
I pronounce it Wee-graph
Fun fact, it was probably originally supposed to be Wiglaf, since there was Beowulf who had almost the exact same sprite as Wiegraf's original sprite, and Wiglaf is another character from the epic Beowulf.
>>317443681
FFT has a wide variety of villains to choose from, who does FF3 really have?
>>317443652
I've always pronounced it "why graph". That could be wrong, but no one will ever convince me to change.
>>317429716
I agree, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance really was the best Final Fantasy game ever.
>>317443458
I feel like at the point he is a villain he isn't himself, he has become Velius or that is to say Velius became him. He goes from wanting to be a revolutionary to working with the church to stop the royalty from destroying the nation and starving the people. The flaw of wanting to avenge his sister is understandable even if wrong in my opinion.
>>317443843
Fair enough, but how did he become an antihero?
Did you accidentally mix the two up?
>>317431018
>photograph
>in the dark ages
>>317443937
>>317443843
Also he doesn't give a damn about what the Church wants to do, he says so himself. All he wants to do is just kill people, Ramza especially, by the time you fight him the last time.
Peraonally i really, really liked FFT story, music but im not a "grind" games lover.
I mean, you have to grind A LOT, and its a pretty slow grind, not like a normal RPG. too much work if you want to have the best weapons, and abilities and shit.
Meh, its all about tastes i guess.
>>317443683
I guess it depends on the person. I used it as a challenge and I saw no "honor" in save scumming, but I also know not a lot of people do the same. I can understand why people don't like it for the same reasons.
>>317443975
It's a portrait. But a photo makes sense too, since some towns still have technology that they treat as relics.
>>317443843
I remember that thread.
That was a good thread.
>>317443937
I didn't think anyone said wiegraf was an anti-hero. Maybe delita but not wiegraf.
>>317443779
>>317443827
This
>>317444149
see >>317443306
Seems from his other post, hes talking about the time between him joining the church and getting wrecked by Ramza the first time.
Id still disagree with the anti-hero assessment.
>>317429716
Advance was much better
>>317443502
>>317443186
>>317436243
Man, none of those indies look any good. Especially Rime Berta, which seems to be a Disgaea knockoff.
Except Unsung Story, which of course has Matsuno working on it, so it has a Matsuno touch. The problem... is that it's a mobile title, so even if it has a PC version (it does), it's pretty much going to be shit due to mobile limitations. So here we have a bucket of indie games that lack the majesty/story/atmosphere of Matsuno games but might deliver mechanically, and the actual Matsuno game is doomed to be mechanically shit.
What a sad time to live in
>>317443186
The weapon crafting system is fucking awful. You either use guides to know what drops what materials and what materials make which item, and grind using a team of 6 Thieves to get broken shit early, or end up getting fucked over by RNG drops and lack basic fucking skills for your units by the end of the game. Seriously, I didn't get Blizzara until the end of the game.
>>317444308
Well
A:Matsuno didn't actually work that much on it. I think he might have helped with the story and thats it.
B:The devs have decided to focus on multiplayer first. The multiplayer component of the game will come out first, and the single player campaign will come out some time later.
People were pretty pissed about it.
>>317432305
>The structure of SRPGs has no place with modern video games and the more casual, younger crowd now.
someone missed the success of the XCOM rebootand the failure of the Jagged Alliance Rebootit's because JA Back In Action went realtime
>>317444251
ah yeah i wouldn't call him an anti-hero either
>>317444004
My interpretation is that he said that out of anger just to try and piss Ramza off. I had to imagine he would have said anything he could to get at the man who killed his only living family member. Again though, that is just how I would think of it.
>>317443937
>>317444251
>>317444149
You are all correct, I got the terms mixed up.
Chapter 1
Dump the other three?
>>317444345
I personally never grinded anything and it was all right, you just tried too hard i guess.
>>317444429
The story is a big part of establishing the atmosphere. More specifically, Matsuno is really great at worldbuilding & lore, something FromSoft excel at as well. Such things really help the player drown in all of the information the game tosses at you and it usually enhances the plot through immersion.
The problem I see is that it's very hard to be immersed in a mobile game. The scope is usually very contained and it just isn't a suitable platform for Matsuno's gigantic diarrhea of information and backstory and lore and all of that. Even Matsuno's handheld FFTA (he didn't do FFTA2) was very limited at providing lore and backstory because there just isn't space. And there aren't tooltips like on PC, screen space is smaller so you can't stuff everything with descriptions, etc. etc.
I would sacrifice 3 goats and a chicken for a Matsuno PC or console title because those platforms really shine with his development style.
>>317444467
Well part of the question is how much of it was him talking and how much was Belius talking, since he was possessed by that point.
But as far as i can see, there wasn't really any indication he was lying about the things he said. All those bodies didn't exactly contradict him either. They were gonna come to blows anyway, why would he need to piss Ramza off in the process?
But yeah, one thing the game never really seems to fully explain is how deep the possession is.
Dycedarg seemed to be himself, even after turning into the monster, yet as far as we can tell, Elmdore seemed to be fully Zalera.
>>317444648
Might as well
I'm surprised that people prefer FFT's gameplay over Tactics Ogre LUCT. In FFT I basically just crushed my way through the game with the overpowered options I had available (without grinding of course). Most of the time I was OHKOing enemies. On the other hand, in Tactics Ogre I needed to position my army and to use coordinated attacks to achieve success. I definitely found TO's gameplay more enjoyable as a result.
Hahaha siscon ramza
>>317444706
>couldn't make items that gave basic skills until the end of the game
>you tried too hard
Are you retarded?
>>317431743
>5 is a story sequel to 3
I can't even remember the ending of 3 anymore, but how? Just because it was the same theme of using the crystals to gain more jobs and defeat the awakened evil? What about the 4 heroes of darkness?
>>317444867
TO's gameplay was really bland compared to FFT.
All the melee classes felt really similar, non buffing and debuffing magic was really underpowered, most of the skills you learned were just passives.
Actually Im just gonna link an earlier post, it basically says everything I feel about TO's gameplay
>>317438232
>>317444760
Same guy for >>317444467
and >>317444648
Right. It seemed like some of the human(hosts?) were in full control where as others seemed to move back and forth. Maybe the evil that the human wanted could gain control temporarily since it was still benefiting the demons?
Chapter 2
>>317433084
>>317433963
the irony is that you posted a picture of a game that added a fast-forward button to the international edition remaster
>>317445062
My nigga
What does the Church of the Glabados say about anal?
>>317439361
>>317439206
>>317445235
Do enemy calculators abuse the shit out of the system like allied ai calcs do?
red chocobo hype
Standard build:
>red chocobo
>ramza as squire
>chemist
>calculator
>monk
>>317441929
l i t t l e m o n e y > f l a t - n o n - r o t a t a b l e b a t t l e f i e l d s
>>317445235
FFT's art style is so comfy. What is it about 3D fields and 2D sprites?
>>317445335
What do you think?
>>317445047
Chapter 3
>>317429716
Holyshit! Shindol made an FF tactics doujin
http://exhentai.org/g/489646/4783a5795f/
>>317441929
It's slow as shit. Fuck off.
>>317444867
>On the other hand, in Tactics Ogre I needed to position my army and to use coordinated attacks to achieve success. I definitely found TO's gameplay more enjoyable as a result.
You mean mass archers, build up TP, ejaculate your TP load on the boss, win in 3 turns.
If you're not addressing the PSP version, the PS1 LUCT has a terrible interface and an even worse class system.
The PSP's class system was not exactly great either, but it did improve things. I really don't understand why Square didn't just re-use the class system from FFT for TO:PSP because it was nearly perfect.
>>317445446
Yes, dear lord yes the only saving grace is that they are slow as hell so you can wipe them quickly if you are set up right.
>>317445503
I dunno, but it also got me hard in Xenogears. Especially when the 3d gears were in the picture as well.
I also can appreciate the reverse, like Chrono Cross's 3d models on handdrawn 2d maps.
Well some of them were hand drawn I think, some were just prerendered.
>>317445335
ask Malak
>>317445759
Exploding suicide frogs.
>>317445834
>>317445503
To me it feels like a board game or tactical game where you are moving pieces. The 2d sprites let me get more comfy and into the game projecting fantasy of different people.
>>317445598
Chapter 4
>>317445683
I think the two biggest sins of the PSP LUCT was
A:All classes start at level one (natch)
B:The unique class marks are really hard to come by. Only way to get the pirate mark is to do that entire fucking pirate cove dungeon, only way to get the Lord mark is to see the event after Catiua dies repeatedly (I literally just rewound time like 10 times so I wouldn't have to do it again), and I don't even fucking know how you get ranger or black knight marks for Vyce and Ozma.
Why they had to pull those shenanigans, I don't know.
Why not just make a class equal to your highest level class when you unlock them?
>>317445912
>To me it feels like a board game or tactical game where you are moving pieces.
Tactical RPGs are pretty much 3D chess, so I think that lines up.
>people today are developing tactical RPGs that don't use a height system
h e r e s y
>>317441797
The Dragon class lady. Beowulf's waifu.
>>317445884
I don't think Malak got raped, only Rafa did. Thats why Malak was so unsympathetic to her, he didn't know what had been done to her by Barinten
>>317445912
I never really understood what the final boos looked like
>>317436243
>stella glow
I never even knew this game existed, no ads or anything at all.
I'm gonna have to check this out, looks like it might be pretty good.
>>317446061
My brother set her up with two of the highest level tiamats and she was nasty.
>>317446113
Like this
>>317445959
>Why they had to pull those shenanigans, I don't know.
They added a lot of grindy subsystems to the remake. Class EXP, the crafting system (jesus christ), abilities, etc. etc. It's interesting because it's directly opposed to how fast you can end fights by just flooding the boss with arrows, which is anti-grind.
I agree with you though, it's really baffling why they did what they did. I'm pretty sure Matsuno was even contracted temporarily by Square to do the remake (as he was fired like 5 years earlier for taking so long on FFXII) but it's unknown how much power he had over the design.
>>317446071
Or Malak enjoyed it, so he doesn't understand why Rafa would object
HERETICS!?
>>317446329
muh deek
>>317446330
>Malak wouldn't enjoy it
>>317446113
Its supposed to resemble an angel, the in game model just looks more demonic than what they were going for.
fucking elmdor i swear to god hes fucking sephiroth
>>317436243
>Stella Glow
>$50 for a 3DS game
What the fuck is this shit?
>>317446472
Meliadoul was such a tragedy mechanically wise.
Her move set is one of the best knight skill sets in the game.
Yet she will basically never see use since you already have fucking Orlandu by that point who already has her moveset plus others.
I have no idea why they put her after him.
>>317446515
I thought if you took Cloud into that fight it would trigger dialogue where he mistook him for Sephiroth. Missed opportunity I think.
>>317429716
That's not Final Fantasy V
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQvJtPM1Ozo
>>317446515
nah, he's just a vampire demon
>>317446661
I agree, also when you selected her name she made a comment about loving someone more or less. Was that towards you? I know Agrias and Mustadio had a thing, but Ramza didn't seem to have anyone else.
Also pic related on tragedy, too little too late.
>>317446661
I wish I knew what the devs were thinking.
> there will never be a perfect edition of the game where all the special characters have expanded dialogue in missions.
> Meliadoul will never join the party in Chapter 3-4
>>317446329
How does she take the leotard off if she has wings
Rapha was raped?
Where was it stated?
>tfw we will never get an actual FFT sequel because advance fucked up everything
I just wanted a prequel with Balbanes before he died, Dycedarg before he turned evil, Cid when he was younger, Larg and Goltana working together before the king died....
There was so much story before the game even began.... What was Gafgarion doing when he was younger? Was Simon always at the church? Who gave the Leo zodiac stone to Vormav? How did that whole thing get started? Did he find it?
nope instead we have tactics advance 1 and 2 where spells are almost always instant, bows don't have proper trajectories, and a shit storyline involving "missions", because they were too lazy to make a story from start to finish
>>317446839
Well I always got the feeling Agrias had a thing for Ramza. Mustadio had a thing for Agrias, but she didn't return the feelings.
Wasn't there a new event in the PSP version where she straight turns him down?
I admit thats one thing TO had over FFT was that characters were still in the story even after they joined your party, they would still show up from time to time. Most of them even got epilogues.
Also Zaalbag is intentional tragedy, the rest is unintentional tragedy.
>>317446940
Its pretty heavily implied
>>317446940
It was heavily implied.
>Rafa: Like erma gerd you KNOW what he did to me!
>Malak: ...
>fat rich pig rapist appears
>Rafa closes up and backs away
>>317446893
I don't think otherworldly beings summoned by stones in a strange ritual for a church plot really care about their leotards or functions involving them.
I'm sure Ramza or Balthier took the time to ask during battle though.
>>317446940
Probably beaten too.
>>317447104
She says the lipstick looks nice and thanks mustard
