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Fallout lore thread.
Utterly raped in FO4
>>317410712
>Fallout 4
>canon
>>317410786
>Zeta
>canon
Are we just going to repeat this for all Bethesda works?
>Myron creates Jet and dies, forgotten by everyone
>Jet is now a Pre War chem
>>317410642
It was never good to begin with, and it was getting raped starting with 2 if we really want to be honest here (which I doubt).
>>317410856
>Are we just going to repeat this for all Bethesda works?
Yes, we should.
>>317410903
Even bethesda forgot about myron.
I love that power armor design.
aren't cats supposed to be extinct? Cos they're in fallout 4.
>playing fallout 4
>get audio tape near first suit of power armor at beginning of game
>guy says his vertibird was downed by emp, which should've occurred just before shockwave hit
>shockwave hit the vault, so presumably it would've hit Concord less than a mile away
>noone in squad dies from shockwave
>people in squad are killed by desperate survivors who should be dead due to radiation
>guy on tape talks about walking to Boston, despite that he is outside and should be dead due to radiation
How did someone read that and say, yeah, that makes sense
>>317410946
Here's your reply.
Do we know what ending is canon from New Vegas yet? BoS mentioned Citadel so I assume it wasn't blown up.
Why aren't there any Vault cities on the east coast?
Why are there so many Vertibirds when they were a prototype?
Why does Jet now exist pre-war?
By the times the bomb dropped, The world is basically completely fucked, a single magazine costs $35, food is basically impossible to buy, there are mass riots and looting, you even see in Fallout 4 in game military checkpoints were handing out rationed food... so why is the Pre-war so rosy when you're actually in it when it's basically post-apoc by the times the bombs are falling anyway?
>>317410712
Literally the first comment is going to start another FO4 hate thread.
>>317410903
>jet is pre war
Wait wat
How does Bethesda pay so much attention to detail in certain small things, and then completely fuck up basic shit like that?
So we know that in the NCR they build villages and new cities, but do they ever attempt to full refurbish certain buildings like A sky scraper or a big block of apartments? Or would that just be considered future scraping projects?
>>317411191
How is there still edible pre-war food on every other table you visit after 200 years?
>>317411257
If I'm not mistaken NV isn't cannon period.
>>317410903
When do we see it as a pre war chem?
>>317411257
I'll suspect neutral (Mr House) or NCR end with Legion falling back to the east.
>>317411293
>How does Bethesda pay so much attention to detail in certain small things
Like what?
>>317411191
There were survivors from the initial blast. That's not too far fetched, since the same happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.The vault-tec guy from the start of the game also survives the blast, despite being locked out of the vault.
>>317411273
I didn't think about that kek, the intro video literally talks about looting and yet your little community is perfect and safe
>>317410712
Nice!meme
How is Jet made?
>>317411257
They also yell "remember the citadel" which implies some shit went down there.
>>317411346
NV is canon however stuff like Tactics and Brotherhood of steel is not canon.
>>317411478
Brahmin shit fumes.
>>317410903
Nope
Vault 95 is run by raiders, no fucking shit there's jet in there
>>317411273
Doesn't the protag live in some kind of sheltered community? Basically still living the American dream. That's what I assumed anyway.
>>317411273
Because Bethesda want Fallout to be post-apocalyptic while it's been post-post-apocalyptic since FO2.
>>317411478
Fermented Brahmin shit and some chemicals.
>>317411346
>If I'm not mistaken NV isn't cannon period.
It is canon. Why wouldn't it be canon?
>>317411532
Sounds pre war to me
>>317411376
Ok so I can't remember exactly what off the top of my head right now, but there's been moments where I notice certain cool details that I would've never thought to include which obviously would take some measure of time and effort to code in. And then on the other hand they just rewrite the origin of jet without a single thought. Just odd.
>>317411565
A Vault-tec regional hq terminal mentions Jet being sent to vault 95.
>>317411653
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Myron
Is there a list of everyone you can sleep with in the game
>>317411591
Yeah, I figured it was implied that you're family (probably due to your military service) was part of whatever remained of the middle class. Definitely seemed like some kind of special community given they had a Vault in their backyard.
>>317411402
> sanctuary
>>317411961
How about the fishes?
Fuck off romance fag
>>317411191perhaps its a fictional video game
>>317412068
>>317412057
Yeah I guess it was a little special community. Wonder how a military grunt got in.
>>317411376
They pay attention to certain things and ignore others. If you get Cait to kick drugs, she calls you a hypocrite for using them.
In Fallout 3, when you find the AntAgonizer and the Mechanist, you can tell the AntAgonizer about the comic book she based her character off of. You can only do this if you read a certain terminal in the comic book factory in the DC ruins.
Couple examples.
>>317412167
So that they could box him up and freeze him for two hundred years, I'm guessing. Maybe Sanctuary was built more for the vault, than the reverse. Seen as how practically everyone living in Sanctuary had space in the vault.
>>317412167
maybe through distinguished service, idk i dont remember if they say what his service record was
>>317411778
Source?
>>317412383
Good point, fits in with all the vault tec and enclave shadow government shit going on
How was the Master moved from Mariposa to the Test Vault under Cathedral? Is there a canon plot point for that? Just curious.
>>317412326
I thought you meant attention to detail of the lore, because Bethesda seems to give zero fucks about how their games gel with the established Fallout universe.
>>317412451
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault-Tec_Regional_HQ_terminal_entries
>Dr.Reid's Terminal
>[09/29]
>So we just shipped 15 cases of psycho and jet to Vault 95. Of course, that makes total sense...let's give these addicts more of what put them in this situation to begin with. Davidson says it's to force them to make the hard choice, chems or getting clean. I say it's to cause a bloodbath...
>>317412167
Presumably you got preferential treatment as a veteran, the same way you got into Vault 111 (besides narrative convenience)
>>317412383
or this makes more sense
>>317412326
Oh, and if you have Jericho in your party in fallout 3, I think he will cough from time to time and complain about you running E everywhere because he used to smoke a lot. Cool stuff like that, and then they screw up other things. It's infuriating.
Does the game explain why there is so much cola quantum in Boston? I thought that was produced in very small numbers, and only shipped hours before the bombs hit.
Just because we saw no cats in the original two it means they are extinct.
And no, the world of a single girl peasant its not the word of God.
I'm really enjoying FO4 but does anyone get the feeling the 'dungeons' aren't quite as interesting this time around?
I feel like the computers don't have as fulfilling or information and aren't as fleshed out.
Maybe I'm just older and lost my imagination
I called bullshit when Jet appeared in Fallout 3. You do know how near impossible it is to cross the country? You need to fly over the super storms. Only the BoS and Enclave could realistically do it. And they wouldn't bring Jet with them.
>>317412464
>>317412618
It's not like Vault-tec has shown to give any thought to social status or class. They killed the US elite of musicians in one vault, and the presumably highly qualified scientists in vault 111 were apparently disposable.
>>317412603
There it's settled finally. Jet is now a pre war chem
>>317410856
Yes
>>317412603
Some tired interns probably designed that vault and it slipped through the cracks, but that's lame. The origins of Jet should be something the writers know considering I have 42 of them
>>317412949
>considering I have 42 of them
Todd?
>>317410642
Why don't the Vault Dweller or the Chosen One need Power Armor training?
>>317412758
I found my issue with dungeons were the fact that loot was the same no matter where you went, since they practically removed unique guns from the game. Also, many distinguishing locations, didn't feel like they had any fun in them. Vault headquarters is pretty barren, and so was the national guard training yard, and the corvega factory.
>>317412836
But it's not. It's never supposed to be a pre-war drug unless we go by something similar to it.
>>317413001
that was just brought in by bethesda
>>317410642
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_canon
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
Enjoy.
>>317412758
I think the locations are much better than fallout 3 (which were pretty damn bad for the most part) but either on the level or slightly worse than new vegas.
A ton of the locations are cool as fuck but make absolutely no sense. NV it all made sense, and was also pretty cool.
>>317413015
You don't get what he's saying. Bethesda has a canon journal entry of a pre-war person mentioning Jet. That means they fucked up the lore and Jet had to exist pre-war now.
>>317412795
Dude are you stupid? Once a drug is created it's not that hard to recreate once the chemicals are known. Do you think it needs to come from the original fucking source or something?
> By putting tons of brahmin shit in the vats, we found out that the fumes give more than enough of a kick. Eureka. Literally. 'Course, we had to test to get the mix right'".
Yeah because that method can't be passed by word of mouth.
Grasping for straws senpai
>>317411308
the pre-war technology was pretty advanced and long lasting food was produced in mass quantities, what do you think the Vault dwellers eat, their purified feces?
>>317412795
Not the first time people have crossed the US though. Kellog did it in FO4, that ghoul tree guy in FO3, the entire brotherhood chapter of Lyons, etc.
>>317410903
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Jet_%28Fallout_3%29
Where did you get that info?
>>317412758
The raider base made of boats linked together was pretty cool. I'm just glad the endless caves are gone.
>>317412998
Who is this Todd you speak of?
>>317413227
>Yeah because that method can't be passed by word of mouth.
>passed by word of mouth from west coast to the east coast even though it's established that you can't cross the center of the country without flying over the super storms
It's more likely some asshole on the east coast happened to stumble across it at the same time.
>>317411295
Big buildings would be hundreds of years old with no maintenance. inhabitable and dangerous
>>317413227
>Yeah because that method can't be passed by word of mouth.
To have word of mouth you have to have people who know how to make Jet CROSS THE COUNTRY. BoS and Enclave weren't big into Jet use.
>>317413227
Myron was the only one who knew how to make it though, that's the main reason the That gang in New Reno kept him alive kept him alive
>>317411594
>Because Bethesda want Fallout to be post-apocalyptic
more like they want fallout to be apocalyptic when it's POST-apocalyptic since fallout 1
what people seem to fail to grasp is that the whole fluff of the bombs and the war was just an expedient of the original developers to create a setting in which you would be able to explore a compelling "what if" scenario in a role playing model that could be experienced only with video game medium, they were literally applying table top rules ot the thing, even went as far as to make a fallout bible.
![557931-fallout-new-vegas-lonesome-road-playstation-3-screenshot-tunnelers[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CjZy1eE.jpg "557931-fallout-new-vegas-lonesome-road-playstation-3-screenshot-tunnelers[1].jpg")
So, is humanity going to die out eventually in the tunneler apocalypse or do they stand a chance?
>>317411273
>Why does Jet now exist pre-war?
wat the fuck?
not played fo4 yet, but are they certifiably retarded?
>>317413457
How did they keep him alive twice?
>>317413359
Dude, lemme develop a Fallout spin-off, I'm a fairy.
>>317413531
By not proofreading.
>>317412795
Where are you getting this super storm shit from?
>>317413521
Holy fuck New Vegas looks ugly compared to Fallout 4
>>317413429
Well its quite possible that a single soldier of the brotherhood was a fan of Jet and took some with him.
I mean I can buy chems right from the doc in that flying space marine fortress.
>>317411273
The Brotherhood of Steel on the West Coast should have vertibirds. I assume the plans you stole from Navarro were Enclave-finished vertibird plans, right?
>>317413335
It's already confusing how The Enclave Even got to the East with such a large number despite having the head quarters with a signigicant amount of it's populous blown apart followed by being decimated by both the NCR and Brotherhood on the core region.
>3
>jet accidentally in vault loot lists
>people pitch a fit, bethesda apologizes and it's patched out quickly
>4
>terminal entries literally referencing jet prewar
>>317412603
[10/07]Edit
Transcript
Walter in the warehouse just told me we received a massive shipment marked "Vault 111 - DO NOT OPEN". So, he opened it...and it was hundreds of gallons of liquid nitrogen! What could they possibly need that for?
they know liquid nitrogen boils at room temp and will explode if contained, right?
>>317410786
This, I don't really consider Bethesda Fallout's canon.
>>317413521
They hate Bright lights, so they aren't much of a threat, also
>Deathclaws are bulletsponges and take forever to kill and to a shitton of damage
>A few tunnelers, that can be easily dispatched, kills one easily
I don't give a fuck if it was wounded, there's no way that a few Tunnelers could take on a Deathclaw
>>317413457
>kept him alive kept him alive
>>317413856
fuck off, abbot
>>317413523
who cares, neither of the bethesda games are canon
someone needs to take the IP from them, but they've pretty much damaged it beyond salvaging
RIP Fallout, you died with Interplay.
>>317413785
The Encalve had several private vaults. They lost maybe half of their people after FO2, if that. More than enough to reorganize.
Why they went East and made their new president a damn calculator is what bothers me.
>>317411346
>When do we see it as a pre war chem?
You can find it in places that are supposed to be sealed since before the war.
>>317414029
Rest assured, dear America, I AM your duly elected president.
>>317412471
He didn't immediately turn into a freak iirc, but he also had a supermutant army and could have them drag his slimy ass all over the desert if he desired.
Why are there super mutants in Boston? Did they all walk up there from DC?
>The Enclave are the bad guys
I really hate this pre-war meme
GUYS
GUYS
Why the fuck did Bethesda shamelessly redo the whole Dunwich bullshit again?
Are they that fucking lazy or is it meant to be an ebin reference to FO3 for the "hardcore"?
>>317411273
>so why is the Pre-war so rosy when you're actually in it when it's basically post-apoc by the times the bombs are falling anyway?
I think this part was because Nate was a Vet, It's why you got a spot in the vault too.
>>317414220
>DC to Boston
It really isn't that far
>>317414232
Bitch please they where evil as fuck in 2.
Actually everyone is evil minus your tribe (wich is also the only settlement with no possible bad ending.)
>>317414232
>Enclave is made up by organizations like the pre-war government of the US, Vault-Tec, US military, etc
>not the bad guys
I mean just the crimes of Vault-Tec rivals those of the Nazis
>>317414220
Its tied to the plot of FO4 m8
Is it only me that thinks that FO4 has raped the series? It's not an RPG anymore. FO 3 and NV were already pushing it to borderline FPS, but FO4 just went full shooter. It's a decent game, but it feels dumbed down.
>>317414346
That's like an 8 hour drive
>>317414339
>nate
I think you mean Mr. Hammer
>>317414383
>Is it only me that thinks that FO4 has raped the series?
Have you missed all the threads since it came out?
>>317414029
Theres barely any mention of Enclave vaults and even then would they really want to follow a shattered force eastward? The big one as you said is the fucking Robo president, who in their right minds thought that was a good idea.
>>317414309
honestly dunwich is the only intriguing shit they have going for them so.. yeah.
FO3 they had Dunwich and the railroad. Both interesting and new story. Unsurprisingly, they made FO4 about.. the railroad and dunwich showed up too.
>>317414383
Feels dumbed down in the rpg aspects, but I found the worst crime to be how you practically can't ask for backstory anymore. Almost all lines of dialogue feel focused on the present, and the task at hand, leaving little for you to question about the past or the inner workings of things.
>>317414029
Why do people assume they went east? I figured they had guys in the east anyway considering DC and Langley are right there. And Eden being president was probably more because they had succession by bloodline instead of elections, after Dick Richardson died they didn't have a true successor to the presidency.
>>317414418
>implying super mutants aren't capable of walking a couple hundred miles
>>317414346
>>317414418
the valt dewller figured out that the muties couldn't reproduce in fo1.
meaning the only muties where made by the master in California.
so why the fuck are there super mutants on the east coast at all?
>>317414309
It's for the oh so sophisticated and intelligent people that have read HP Lovecraft
>>317414375
>I mean just the crimes of Vault-Tec rivals those of the Nazis
Well seeing as they were doing the exact same experiments our government did after WW2
>>317414117
You know, for all the bullshit of the game, I liked listening to Eden's speeches on the radio.
>Imagine, a perfect, cloudless day. The sun is warm, welcoming. And on the horizon, they appear, like knights of yore, armed with bats of ash and hickory. Their name? The Capital Congressmen. Their purpose? To make you, dear America, revel in the joy of sport and sunshine. If only for an afternoon
>>317414484
I haven't been on /v/ since its release due to spoiler avoidance.
Was there so much Communism hating in FO1 and FO2 I can't remember?
It's strange because the US was allied with the USSR against China and even in FO1 one of the starting characters you can choose is a Soviet since Soviet diplomats had privileged Vault positions.
>>317414309
both of Bethesda's non-canon spinoffs are exactly that: le ebin Fallout references in a completely unrelated game cause theyre such EPIC Fallout fans
>>317413521
>4 dlc
>return to mojave
>tunnellers are the result of the ancient alien city
>>317414491
Maybe the one dude in charge of keeping the lore from the old games, saw the Master on youtube and thought that he was a robot too.
>>317414546
>can't ask for backstory anymore.
Jesus christ, this. There are times when I would like a little more background on certain things like factions or characters but I simply can't ask anyone shit.
>>317414607
There was an fev vault in 3
Muties captured people and would dunk them in the fev
It's literally part of the main storyline
>>317414630
If I remember correctly, the US was friendly with the USSR only on a "secret" government level. On a public level, they were subjected to the same propaganda as the Chinese were.
I assume they didn't have any reason to be mad at the Soviet Union, since they didn't contest the last oil resources. China on the other hand, decided they should have a slice of the pie.
>>317414630
Nothing I can remember, but by that token you don't have a million useless terminals to read either. Most of the story is from people living in the modern day and not snippets of pre-war life. I haven't played 2 in a while though, but I'd imagine anything you'd hear on the subject would be on the oil rig.
>>317414630
Not really, don't think most people remembered the concept saved for the educated few or possibly the Followers of the Apocalypse. This is if we are talking post war society in Pre-war the USSR-U.S had a hush hush peace agreement
>>317414620
I think it is based on the radio talks that Roosevelt did in the 30's. Must be pretty comfortable having your leader speaking so freely to you.
>>317413457
>>317413369
>>317413672
isn't there still communication up for communicating across the country? like something the enclave might have access to. it can't have all dissapeared
>>317414528
>honestly dunwich is the only intriguing shit they have going for them
>literally just a shallow lovecraft reference
>Lookout changes it to involve literal magic
It's garbage, anon, and you have shit taste for thinking it's interesting
>FO3 they had Dunwich and the railroad. Both interesting and new story.
How can you have such bad taste
>>317414746
But they shouldn't even have FEV that shits supposed to stay in the west, and even then what are the chances of this strain even creating super mutants?
>>317413521
That was kinda shitty, Tunnelers were so fucking minor but then they just tacked on this huge lore-raping thing about them spreading everywhere and killing everything.
>>317414940
Three dog has a dish that can reach to the moon and back, so I assume he can broadcast across America.
>>317414983
power armor is just a shallow wh40k reference :)
>>317414927
>Trump reinstates radio broadcasts to the American people after winning the presidency
Hello America, this is your president speaking. Today, we are going to talk about the wetbacks.
>>317415031
I guess they could just say tunnelers killed the west coast if Beth never lets them touch the setting again.
>>317414983
>Lookout changes it to involve literal magic
What?
>>317415076
nah, its really a starship troopers referance
>>317415009
Look it up on the wiki, I'm pretty sure it was explained how they got some over there.
>>317414746
>literally a shittier version of events in 1
>>317413521
>>317413934
Could just be Ulysses talking shit again.
>>317415009
Also, it was clear that the fev didn't work every time and a lot of people just got horrible tumors and died
>>317414983
>I say it's bad so it's bad
>>317410856
DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT ZETA GUNDAM
>>317415009
Presumably the government wanted Vault-Tec to continue FEV research even after the world had ended.
I don't see how any of these fucking vault experiments make any sense at all, since we never learn how the vaults are monitored remotely, if at all. And even if they are monitored remotely, it would require tremendous resources extracting whatever use there is in these vaults, seen as how they are scattered all over the US.
>>317415172
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Dark_Heart_of_Blackhall
One of the characters wants the book to use magic to control the swampfolk
>>317415281
Ulysses didn't do anything but talk shit
BEAR AND BULL
>>317415228
>shittier version
the funny thing is that was literally the whole point. Dumb dumbs just dunked person after person into it until it worked, with no refinement or control of the process
>>317410642
anyone else got incredibly bored after vault city?
managed to amass around 30k in caps without barter and just from min maxing with perks/small guns, nothing crazy
>minmax
>game becomes boring
I know, but I wasn't really tryharding. It just seems that after vault city the game bombards you with this tech and caps that the game becomes incredibly easy.
>>317412795
>>317413645
I assume he's talking about Fallout Tactics. It states the BoS's airships were thrown off course by "a great storm", but nothing about super storms. He's right about the jet though, there was no jet in Fallout Tactics. The alternative was after burner gum.
>>317415339
No, they did. The were monitored by Vault 0, which can be seen in Fallout Tacti-
Oh shit, never mind.
>>317412627
I'm pretty sure that if you give jericho cigarettes he will chainsmoke them
>>317415339
They were built with the idea that there wasn't actually going to be nuclear war. Keeping people safe after the apocalypse was a feature they added to convince people to sign up
>>317415496
>that chinnook
>in fact, everything in that image
>>317415281
Pretty much the whole DLC in a nutshell.
>>317415480
It's an apt metaphor for Bethesda's handling of the series, too
>>317415609
But then what is the point of the vault? No one lived in them except maintenance staff and people who were inn on the secret gig. The actual test subjects wouldn't arrive unless nuclear war happened.
>>317413905
So I told Walter to open DO NOT OPEN marked shipment to Vault 111... he actually did it the absolute madman hahahahahahaha!
>>317415585
See, how do they remember cool stuff like that, but mess up so many other things. Makes me think the actual guys doing the dev work are dedicated, but the upstairs guts doing story and overall design mess it up.
>>317415614
You don't like Jap zeros escorting rocket powered chinooks and airships?
>>317415643
He was crazy, but he never lied to us that we know of
>>317415734
Despite what the intro to 4 shows, most vaults were filled up long before the bombs dropped.
>>317414309
>Dunwich
I never saw that in FO3 but I just stumbled upon the Dunwich borers and man that whole place fucked me up.
Dark, scary mining + flashbacks + ghouls outta nowhere + Cult shit? Sign me the fuck up for NOPE
Got some free mini nukes and a ballin laser rifle though
>>317415770
Because they don't give a shit about lore from previous games they never made.
>>317415829
>>317415770
It really does feel that way. Even in 4, there's a lot of cool stuff where you can tell the person who made it cares, but there's no consistency to it at all.
The people who plan it are garbage, but the people who make it are alright
>>317415837
I can't remember anything about that in the earlier games. Doesn't FO3 and earlier games state many vaults were left partially unmanned since the participants didn't give a fuck about the sirens due to too many excercises?
>>317415339
There's been some vault-tec notes saying they never actually thought nuclear war was going to happen. While I've never really seen any mention of it directly, it seems like there was going to be a point where they would push people into the vaults at some point, regardless of nuclear war.
>>317415884
HATE NOT RESPECTING ESTABLISHED LORE
>>317416038
[X] Sarcastic
>>317415339
>>317415609
The vault experiments were intended to help the Enclave prepare for resettling after the war.
Letting Virgil transform back into a human from the FEV virus is the ultimate proverbial kick in the face for the series.
>Jet is a highly addictive drug first synthesized by Myron. It is extracted from brahmin dung fumes and administered via an inhaler.
Why is it so hard to assume no one on the east coast thought about huffing brahmin shit?
Was there any shit in any of the Fallout's before 4 that had an indication of how someone actually operated power armor? 3 and NV had it just as generic armor you wore, which seemed to be mostly laziness and oversight. And now in 4 we have the whole Iron-man action going on. Was 4 the first to tackle this, or was there something else before hand?
>>317416352
More like pissing in a sea of piss
>>317416372
You should read the whole article
>>317416434
It's somewhat implied by the recon armour in NV. The description says it's wore underneath power armour.
>>317415857
Sounds like you missed this sweet machete. I mean, so did I, because it's all under water and the damn thing fell into some crevice I could never find, so I had to command-console it into my bags.
>>317416372
>actually thinking of huffing brahmin shit
As we all know, FEV has been the scourge of the post war wasteland. It was released into the ecosystem with a ground strike by a Chinese nuke directly on top of the West Tek facility. We know that the Unity and Overseer both confirm that FEV is pretty much endemic to the wasteland and caused much of the mutations we see in fallout. The Enclave, Overseer of vault 13, and the Unity all agree to its dominant presence in the wasteland and its ecosystem.
We all also know that the Enclave’s plan was to bunker down, weather the fallout, then reemerge and take control of the wasteland. With FEV in the ecosystem, the escaped experiments, and the mutations out in the world their plans of rebuilding was ruined. Since the Enclave didn’t hop on a ship and colonize another planet, and the multitude of failed vaults, it’s safe to say their plan B was foiled before it even got off the ground.
The Enclave in Fallout 2 even stated FEV was an impediment to their plans, and needed to be wiped off the face of the earth with a counter virus. They tried this again in Fallout 3, indirectly proving the FEV had worked its way all across the United States.
FEV single handedly stopped the Enclave's plans and stopped their plan of world domination dead in its tracks. China accidentally stopped the Enclave dead in its tracks and laughs were had by everyone for their good fortune, right?
Not quite, as the Chinese didn’t accidentally stop the Enclave. They knew what they were doing. They knew about the Enclave. They knew what West Tek was, what it was doing, and what would happen if a nuke hit it. They would know all this quite easily.
We know that China had an insane amount of spies spread throughout the United States. We find them all over DC, the Pitt, Point Look out, we find traces of them in the Mojave and even infiltration of top secret labs researching biological weapons that almost no one knew about.
>>317416352
Fuck the writers for pulling the ONE DOSE OF THIS ULTRA-POWERFUL TREATMENT REMAINS card twice in the same game.
>>317416558
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem
You'd be surprised.
>>317416558
People literally huff shit now in 2015
>>317416372
Doesn't also say in the Wiki that drinking it or injecting it will make your heart explode?
>>317416671
>>317416769
But why would you do that
>>317414546
Sometimes you can ask for background, but if there's ever two options for that, you're fucked because picking one locks you into that branch of dialogue.
If there are "Ask about A" and "Ask about B" options on the wheel, asking about one keeps you from ever asking about the other.
And people still ask why others have issue with the wheel.
>>317416646
The Chinese also knew about Liberty Prime, the Pentagon’s dirty little secret. Oddly enough, they finger West Tek as a possible collaborator.
In order to know about a secret lab like Sub Level 1c and to know it contains a biological weapon demands almost total penetration of the US government. This would likely compromise practically all research labs, military bases, and any storage or armories including West Tek as a government delegation was on site directing West Tek into avenues of research and reporting back the often disastrous findings.
The same delegation also moved FEV from West Tek to Mariposa for safety reasons, locking down the experiments so that even the military staff didn't know about it, prompting a rebellion when they did find out about FEV. This radio silence cut the Chinese off from knowing anything more and any other place FEV is sent after Mariposa. However, they didn’t need to hit Mariposa as West Tek was still a depository of FEV. Hitting West Tek also has the distinct advantage of correlating perfectly with the westerlies, air currents that will lead the airborne FEV across the continental United States. On top of all this, West Tek dropped off the grid , cutting China off from knowing anything more than FEV being in West Tek. This explains why Mariposa never got bunker busted. They knew the flaws FEV had due to the incoming reports of its limitations leading up the war that were relayed back to the federal government, and they in turn used it against the Enclave. They would know the characteristics of FEV, which means they knew FEV couldn’t be destroyed by a nuke, and largely couldn’t be removed.
The point is, China would have enough reliable information presented to them to form this plan. The weather patterns, the characteristics of FEV, everything. With the information from ZAX, the Chinese could assume that FEV was incurable and permanent.
>>317416851
Never underestimate human stupidity.
>>317416557
>in Dunwhich Mine
>at the well, but don't know it yet
>being attacked by ghouls, backing up while Powerfisting
>back up into well
>sink like a fucking rock
>mfw
Let me tell you, dragging a full suit of T60 back to the surface was a bitch and a half. The frame itself is still down there, no way to get it back, but I had five frames back at Red Rocket at that point.
>>317416851
It's popular with the spear-chucking variety of dindus, mostly because they can't get anything else.
>>317410712
Can't we just consider Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 an au?
I mean, technically Fallout New Vegas is the only 3D game which as proper lore geared with Fallout 1 and Fallout 2.
>>317416557
Actually I totally found itand had to leave some stuff behind because I just have so many weapons on me at any given moment, it just isn't important to me because I'm unarmed. Whole place scared me to shit though, especially since my radio cut out a few times and it was just dead silence and headlamp light
and punching things to death feels so damn good
>mfw I punched my first coarser to death, the killing machine of the institute with two perks in unarmed only
died like a little bitch
>>317416554
>In the pre-War days, big meat companies had experimented with a cheap protein extract for growing food. However, the product had to be abandoned because any bacterial contamination (even from common skin bacteria) resulted in a complex reaction, ruining any meat and causing it to act like methamphetamine. To cut their losses, farmers fed the extract to their cattle.
>Myron discovered that the fumes generated from brahmin who had been fed the contaminated protein extract could be used to create a powerful drug.
> big meat companies had experimented with a cheap protein extract
So it's completely possible people on east coast had this as well and fed it to their brahmin
and then people huffed the brahmin shit and realized they should make a drug off the fumes.
>>317416934
>>317416646
What you're saying is pretty interesting, as it gives explanation as to why Vault 87 (a FEV facility) was directly hit by a nuke, while all others were left alone.
>>317417040
pandering=!proper lore
>>317417085
But lack the knowledge to fully produce jet, just huffing on brahmin shit fumes.
>>317416934
With all this, the damning evidence is the pattern of the nukes. The majority of nukes that were launched were all air burst. The ground bursts only appear at places with significant value, symbolic or not. The first ground strike we see is at West Tek “that just so happened” to release the agent that single handedly foiled the Enclave conspiracy.
The second was at Fort Bannister, which contained some interesting artifacts to say the least and a recovered alien body. It is also no coincidence that the Enclave tends to use reversed engineered alien technology and that was the source of their power. The third was Vault 87's front door, which also got hit with a ground strike. it’s no coincidence that 2 FEV depositories get hit by bunker busters. This one being disguised as a simple vault. What other vault got singled out the way vault 87 did? The answer is none.
Fort Constantine, with its stockpile of nukes, wasn’t hit. Hopeville and its many nuclear silos wasn’t hit by a bunker buster, as that came later. Indeed, the vast majority of army bases and other places weren’t hit with the ferocity that these 4 places were.
All 4 of these places had value to the Enclave and contained government secrets that China would never know about if it didn’t have deep penetration of the government, or knowledge of the Enclave. China repeatedly singled out places with strong Enclave ties using bunker busters.
Even the bunkers near Black mountain, which was almost hit with a bunker buster, held value to the Enclave as it was meant to be a forward operating base in the event a “crisis” happened just like the remnants bunker near jacobstown. A base that is close enough for the Enclave to extend their reach beyond the Oil Rig.
Hidden valley was abandoned and filled with graffiti. Why launch a nuke to hit a supposedly abandoned base far away from where anything is happening? Yet "just so happens" to hold a vast importance to the post war Enclave plan?
>>317417270
The only answer: China was corralling the Enclave’s post war presence and limiting their influence without destroying the oil rig and its oil directly. Even a pre war Chinese naval computer, the Emperor v8.8, tells you the location of the Oil Rig, and called it the "enclave Compound." The Enclave’s post war plans lie in ruins and their “shield” of sitting on top of oil becomes worthless.
It becomes obvious that the Chinese weren’t firing nukes to places important to America, but rather to the Enclave. The Chinese were fighting the Enclave in the great war and they knew it. The fact that they didn’t target the Pentagon, and its little surprise in its basement that wasn’t a surprise to the Chinese, partially due to America announcing it, and turned it into a crater is a testament to that. The Pentagon didn't get hit with multiple bunker busters like Bannister did, reducing it into a huge crater.
China never touched the more strategic locations with bunker busters. Likewise, purely American symbolic buildings Congress, the Washington Monument, and the Lincoln memorial are all still standing despite having vast symbolic importance to America sitting within a major population center.
All the bunker busters launched at America were methodical, and every ground strike was at a site of Enclave importance. China wasn’t blindly firing at whatever looked important, it was a surgical dismantling of the Enclave and its sources of power.
With FEV no longer under their direct control, they can no longer use bio weapons to exert control, as they tried with Death claws in Fallout 2
Without alien technology, they can no longer reverse engineer advanced weaponry.
With FEV in the wild, the bioweapons and mutants meant for China get unleashed on America and in turn the Enclave. The Enclave, instead of rebuilding with survivors and using the locked away FEV for backup now finds itself in a world where they sit at the bottom of the food chain.
>>317417270
Is this deduction from your part, or is it all written somewhere?
Makes perfect sense though.
>>317417261
It's as if you think the east coast has no scientists at all.
The only real problem in this whole thing is the fact that they are both called Jet.
It's completely reasonable for people to discover the effects of huffing shit from extract fed brahmin. Calling it Jet in both cases is where the issue arises and implies communication from coast to coast.
>>317416871
>Talk to doctor Li about rejoining the brotherhood immediately
>This prevents the dialogue where she gives you the chip to teleport
>You get locked into the Institute forever
That's right folks, you can break the main quest by following the main quest.
>>317416646
>>317416934
>>317417270
>>317417493
Holy shit. That makes perfect sense.
Can someone get this shit together as an image for later use?
>>317417696
You get the gist of why the nukes were launched by playing the games in consecutive order.
>>317417509
Probably not enough scientist to care to make drugs given the situation provided for us in FO3, however you have good point there and also the drug having the same results, but that wouldn't really matter. What get's you high get's you high right?
>>317413098
I'm going to have to completely disagree with you, since to me it felt like this game has absolutely zero unique assets to it, so each dungeon feels exactly like the last one.
>>317417226
Hey Todd
>>317417493
When did the enclave form?
>>317417498
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/FEV
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Hoover_Dam_Sub-Level_1C
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Chinese_Intelligence_Report:_Liberty_Prime#Chinese_Intelligence_Report:_Liberty_Prime
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Chinese_Intelligence_Report:_Liberty_Prime#Chinese_Intelligence_Report:_Liberty_Prime
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/FEV_experiment_disk
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Mariposa
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/The_Glow#cite_note-5
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Outcast_outpost_terminal_entries#9.2F06.2F77
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/ZAX.MSG
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Bannister_crater
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Aliens
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Aliens#cite_note-Fo3GuideBckg-1
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Vault_87#Accessing_Vault_87
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Enclave#cite_note-Bible0March2077-1
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Divide
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Hidden_Valley
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fsempter.msg
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Anchorage_terminal_entries#Chinese_Intelligence_Report:_Liberty_Prime
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Citadel_terminal_entries
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Intelligent_deathclaw
http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Domestication_unit
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Federal_surveillance_center_K-21B
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Sentinel_site
>>317418245
They formed Pre-war as a shadow government. As for the date of their foundation I can't say for sure other then maybe 2050-2060?
>>317418380
>>317413785
Enclave had vaults all over the place. There even one in fallout 4 in the glowing sea. They didn't nessecarily move everything.
>>317418561
Shit that filename is wrong, that's 3, this is 4.
THE DEEPEST LORE
>>317417270
>Vault 87
Nope. Stop this shit.
Vault 87 was a thing because Bethesda confused Vault Tec with West Tek.
There is no single reason for a Vault to have a FEV. None at all.
>>317417889
To be fair it doesn't have to originate at FO3. It's in FO4 which came before FO3 so who knows who had it first!
Either way it probably should have been named differently considering the effects of Jet are inconsistent between games suggesting they aren't necessarily all the same as the Jet you find in FO2.
>>317416665
I'm more amused by the amount of times people went 'We NEVER let Outsiders in except for you.'
>>317418703
Fucking Bethesda
>>317417696
here you go
As someone who has very little fallout knowledge (I regretfully admit to having picked the series up at 3, and while I plan to play 1 and 2, I haven't yet gotten around to it) is there any chance of a Fallout taking place in China, or perhaps up near American annexed Canada?
NV makes references to a place called Ronto, so I suppose it's possible there's an Ontario wasteland out there somewhere. Honestly, the Great Lakes region would be a pretty cool place to have a Fallout game. The Detroit/Windsor area, Niagra Falls, and the Greater Toronto area would all make neat settings, assuming pre-existing lore hasn't already wiped the areas off the map.
>>317418560
I didn't find an Enclave vault in the glowing sea.
>>317418849
Who other than the institute did that?
>>317418867
Fukkin saved
>>317418910
Well, what we are given is that China kinda or just got the front end of the fuck off stick so we could assume that it was a hell of a lot worse off then the U.S so the chances are small. Now Canada is a tricky pickle since they had suffered Two Wars. One with the U.S which appeared to be pretty destructive and they nuclear war itself. Doesn't necessarily mean there's nothing out there but there might not be much given which year you'd want it to take place in.
>>317418867
This is some good fan fiction.
>>317418910
Most fallout fans would belittle you for even asking the question, stating that Fallout is all about muh american 50's optimism and shit.
But I think a spin-off in China would be a pretty fun game. Of course it'll never happen, since Bethesda can only produce one every half a decade, but a man can dream.
why was the entire brotherhood of retards so afraid of the enclave?
>>317418961
it's the pyramid thing or Federal surveillance center K-21B
>>317418849
>Preston makes you Minuteman general right after meeting you
>Danse makes you a Knight right after meeting you
It happens in a lot of games but you barely have to work for anyone's trust.
>>317419026
guessing Vault 81
>>317419402
Which Brotherhood?
>>317416646
>>317416934
>>317417270
>>317417493
If this is true I wonder if there is a secret "developer Fallout bible" where they drop hints at this throughout the games.
It also makes me think will China appear in another Fallout game. China launched first so obviously their Government was tucked safe away in Vaults to reemerge.
I wonder if a future Fallout game will have the Enclave appear stronger than ever then China rocks up as ironically the "good guys" to curbstomp them.
>>317419270
I don't get why people always say China would be way worse off than the US. It's the US who suffered at the hands of their own super weapons, while China presumably only suffered dirty bombs. I suppose we can assume that China also suffers from FEV like effects, but no way near the same as the US I'm guessing.
Although the number of ghouls must be staggering.
>>317419026
The inhabited Vault. The BoS, The Railroad, probably more. I remember hearing it almost everywhere I went.
>>317419428
>Vault 81
What a fucking glitched piece of shit that place is
>>317419492
>China only hit by dirty bombs
Wat? Where is this stated?
>>317419539
The Brotherhood and the Vault 81 let a bunch of people in.
All of the factions in FO4 are so ridiculous, except the minutemen, which are boring as fuck.
Even Caesar's Legion was more reasonable/realistic than most of these factions.
>DEATH TO ALL SYNTHS REGARDLESS OF CONTEXT
>YOU BETTER TAKE A BULLET FOR A SYNTH FAGGOT, NO MATTER WHAT
>DUDE SYNTHS LMAO ADVANCE TECHNOLOGIES
>HELLO GENERAL READY TO DO NOTHING
>>317417509
>>317418839
The Jet is mentioned in Fallout 4 as a pre-war drug.
And the West Coast has much more of a Brahmin/farmer culture than the East Coast. They have Brahmin barons in the West Coast.
The Jet creation was motivated by the Mordino family wanting to control New Reno, it was extremely accidental.
They used Brahmin shit as fertilizer for their shrooms and then noticed that the slaves working on fertilizer vats were getting high from the fumes.
AND to get the dosage right it took "about a hundred slaves". And the side effects until they got the dosage right was "mostly heart attacks, cerebral hemorrhages, psychotic episodes...that sort of thing."
Bethesda has no regards for the lore.
>>317419403
The place with all the nukes? I didn't find any enclaveness to it at all neither did I when i explored the K-21B vault.
Did i miss something?
>>317419443
the guys from san francisco
they want you to steal vertibird blueprints from the enclave because they don't want to do it themselves
>>317419704
What they say and what they do are different.
>>317419491
There's the normal fallout bible made by the original writers that spell out pretty much the entire settings events.
>>317418910
There was a cancelled game which was going to feature the Pacific Northwest and China.
>>317419676
Those were the nuclear weapons utilized by the super powers in the Fallout universe. They didn't use Tsar Bombas, but instead low yield atomic weapons that spread radioactive fallout all over the place. It's the reason why there is so little destructive damage, and so much radioactive damage.
>>317416665
Three times
>vault 81
>Virgil
>Cabot House
>>317419876
Ok that's fair, but what did you mean when you said "the US suffered from its own superweapons but China only got hit by dirty bombs"?
>>317419492
The reasoning is that people see the Great War as basically a reverse switch for human civilization. All the standards of the world revert to caveman levels, and work their way back up (this time, with plans)
So people take China, and the culture that they already have (Huge amounts of people pushed into small areas, immense pollution and Communism doing it's business all over it), and bring it down the same way that America did, AND add in longer lasting radiation, and that gives us MAJORLY fucked up China.
>>317419783
There's a bunch of people in 81 that are outsiders, like the hairdresser. And iirc, the brotherhood qt with Danse joined up as an adult
>>317419492
It's really a guess off the population density of China itself and the U.S ground forces pushing in mainland and given how the U.S treated Canada I can't imagine how they treated the Chinese populous then.
>>317419761
Oh The original BoS. So despite both their limited manpower the Enclave still had tech to outclass the brotherhood and well they were fairly unknown to the brotherhood still. Why fight an enemy you don't know or understand?
>>317419740
>The Jet is mentioned in Fallout 4 as a pre-war drug.
Then the problem is the naming.
The effects as I already mentioned are not consistent which does suggest that they are not the same drug.
It's just the fact that that bethesda used the same name for both.
>>317419270
That's interesting, though I have to say, Mainland China is a fucking enormous place, with long stretches between the important shit. There would have to be something, somewhere, right? Of course I agree with >>317419304 that the series is more about The 50's American WOOOORLD OF TOMORROOOOOW~ gone wrong than portraying a broad spectrum of interesting post-apocalyptic locations.
To be honest, setting all gameplay and engine disputes aside, I thought FO3 and NV complemented each other well from a setting point of view. The temperate Capitol Wasteland, followed by the more arid Mojave Desert. Fallout 4 has a good Aesthetic, if you ask me, mostly because they didn't shy away from adding a splash of color to the world this time around, but in terms of game atmosphere, it really doesn't feel that far from Fallout 3.
I really hope that, whether it's made by Bethesda or Obsidian, the next Fallout takes place in a more frigid, or maybe humid climate. Either irradiated tundra, or flooded and devastated Florida Keys, instead of more Big Ruined City and its surrounding rural areas.
>>317419876
Except Washington DC which was hit by special mountain-creating nukes which turned everything green.
>>317420003
Oh damn you're right. Honestly the whole Cabot story feels completely out of place in the Fallout universe.
>>317418910
>>317419304
>>317419492
China doesn't exist anymore. Even if you believe Mothership Zeta shouldn't be cannon, there's a lot of evidence in the lore that says China got completely fucked by nukes since America was a production powerhouse that I'm way too lazy to look up.
It'd be interesting to see what happened to the UK or something, but I think keeping it in America is best for the franchise.
>>317420147
Sending wastelanders on suicide missions as a rite of entry was sort of BoS standard fare.
