legion thread
class skills and talents datamined: http://www.wowhead.com/news=250045/legion-beta-build-20740-class-spell-changes
>Retribution: When any party or raid member within 40 yards dies, you gain 100% increased damage for 10 sec.
>>317355710
This is gonna be hilarious on random battlegrounds.
>>317355710
>there WILL be bored ret raiders who will pay tens of thousands of gold to their raid members to die on purpose so he can rank higher on warcraftlogs
>Blind: Outlaw only
Wat
>>317356165
Outlaw is the renamed Combat rogue spec.
>>317356232
I know that
>Turalyon's Might: Flings a blade of holy light to the target location, dealing 1 Holy damage instantly and every 2 seconds to enemies within 8 yds for8 sec.
>Re-activating the ability will cause the Paladin to charge to the blade, damaging enemies in the area for 1 Holy damage, ending the effect.
>Shield of Vengeance: Creates a barrier of holy light that absorbs (Attack power * 5) damage for 15 sec. When the barrier is consumed or expires, all damage absorbed is dealt back to your current melee target as Holy damage.
>Eye for an Eye: Instantly counterattack any enemy that strikes you in melee for 12 sec. Melee attacks made from behind cannot be counterattacked. Maximum of 10 counterattacks.
>Avenging Wrath: Increases all damage and healing caused by 50% for 20 sec.
>50%
>for 20 sec
VENGEANCE IS COMING
AND SO AM I
>>317356284
They are trying to add "variety" to specs by restricting baseline abilities.
For example, only assassination has any poisons or bleeds now. Also slice and dice is outlaw only.
Subtlety has a new finisher which is basically rupture but does shadow damage.
Fucking disgusting
>>317355710
>Raid leader calls for you to suicide because your DPS is so bad dying would be a DPS increase via your Ret pallies
>Raid leader calls for suicides on final burn phases
>>317356517
>warlocks soulstone themselves and then suicide with life tap to buff paladin dps
WARLOCKS AND PALADINS BEST BROS NOW
>Outlaw
>Bribe
>Treasure Find
>Roll the Bones
>Cannonball Barrage
>Grapple Hook
I'm almost happy that they gutted mistweaver, I have an excuse to gear up a new main now.
>Removed
>Freezing Trap
>Aspect of the Cheetah
>Tranquilizing Shot
REEEEEEEEEEH
>>317356165
>Blind: 20 sec cooldown
I've felt like resubbing and leveling something for the whole week, I'm this close to relapse
>>317356741
I already did and am lvling my rogue and hunter now
>>317356741
Game is ded. Last tier has been out for months, guilds are finishing with mythic and there won't be new content until expansion launch. If you resub now no one will want to take you anywhere until you spend months to gear up because item levels inflated like crazy.
This stuff is subject to so much change between now and final release, I don't even bother skimming it and just wait to read the patch notes while it updates
>Beacon of the Savior: Dealing damage with Crusader Strike, Judgment, Holy Shock, Denounce, or autoattacks also heals your Beacon of Light for 0.
So does this mean holy paladins can heal by melee damage? Because its about time.
>>317356830
I just want to level though, maybe check out the new jungle zone
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>melee Hunter
>mfw
Why does Blizzard keep changing things?
>>317355710
>Divine Shield: Protects you from all damage and spells for 8 sec.
>reducing damage dealt is gone
Sweet.
>>317356917
>MM pet removed altogether
>SV changed to melee
Finally I can make a hunter alt
>>317356513
She looks way better and less like a dumb slut.
>>317355710
>Burn phase
>Shadow priest uses their suicide burn
>Ret goes hulk after
>>317356884
>Swordweaving
>>317355648
Anyone else going to be playing a fury warrior?
I'm new to the class, I just started one and I would like some tips
>>317356917
Because having all three hunter specs being the same with 1 different button is fucking boring
>ascendance
>lasts 1 minute
>10 minute cooldown
>for ONE FULL MINUTE lava burst has no cooldown
>Demon Hunter voices
Just as well I have all voices turned off
>>317356917
They realise the classes are still quite homogenous and have strayed far from the fantasy of what they're supposed to be. So, they've decided to switch things up a bit.
What dark, edgy spec is suitable for a dark, edgy casual like me?
[ ] Shadow Priest
[ ] Affliction Warlock
[ ] Demon Hunter
>>317357125
>Earthquake replaced by Earthquake Totem
>Don't have to channel Earthquake any more
>>317357275
Demon Hunter
>>317357275
Paladin
New Elemental Shaman cooldown
Totemic Fury: Summon three totems to your side for 30 secs that provide the following benefits:
Earth Totem
Attacks your target, and increases the damage dealt by Earth Shock by 50%.
Fire Totem
Attacks your target, and increases the Critical Strike Chance of Lava Burst by 100% .
Lightning Totem
Attacks your target, and reduces the cast time of Lightning Bolt by 50%.
3min cooldown
>>317355648
It´s kinda weird
Unholy looks fucking fantastic while Frost looks like total shit
Now that I think about it, nothing really changed there
>>317356989
No she looks awful. Not because of the midriff being covered but because the color choices are awful. Her armor should be purple and the midriff shit at least a more grayish than some weird ass out of place brown.
>>317357034
>bloodthirst on cooldown if not enraged
>use berserker if you are not enraged and bloodthirst is on cooldown
>when at 100 rage us wild strike to get down to about 30
>Ragin blow when enraged an on proc
>Execute on proc if you're enraged (damage for this and raging blow are too good to use un enraged)
>filler like stormbolt etc
>blade storm ravager whirl wind---> raging blow for aoe
>>317356989
hellow sjw
>Magnitude: Any time a target is standing in Earthquake with Flame Shock, gouts of Magma will erupt at their feet, dealing extra damage.
>Sons of Flame: Your Greater Fire Elemental is joined by 2 Sons of Flame, who attack your target.
WE RAGNAROS NOW
>>317356741
You could always log on without subbing and activate/create a lvl 1 character.
>>317357643
I really fucking wish 2h enhancement shaman was a thing with those, imagine smashing shit with Sulfuras and blowing fire out of every orifice
>Surrender to Madness
>Surrender to the Old Gods, sacrificing your soul for ultimate power.
All your Insanity-generating abilities generate 300% more Insanity, until you exit Voidform, then you die. Requires Voidform.
Voodoo Totem: Summons a Voodoo Totem with (2 * Total health / 100) health at the target destination for 10 sec. The totem pulses every 5 sec, hexing all enemies within 0 yards for 0. Enemies can only be Hexed once.
Replaces Hex.
>look up all the removed spells and almost close the site out of disgust
>watch the things they added to Outlaw
well this is a good sign
>>317357794
>then you die
Dropped
>>317357794
Half of these abilities will never go live, as usual. Situationally overpowered, impossible to balance.
>>317357794
Insanity sounds like a nice gimmick thus far, but I think the shadow/void stuff still fits priests better than the old-god stuff. Especially with all the lore they've established in the previous games about how the void is the opposite of the light.
>>317357585
>bloodthirst
>cooldown
Nigga, Unquenchable Thirst talent fixes that problem.
>>317357224
fuck you
>that Blood elf female one
>show you my twisting nether
>i am prepared
>mfw
are the changes good or bad? their message was that they wanted classes to feel different.
yes, haven't played in years
>>317355710
God dam I'm already usually top damage but this will just be hilarious when shitters stand in fire to buff me.
>>317357967
>not using sudden death
You what m8
>>317357978
they're adding a lot of abilities that are actually interesting instead of "do damage" or "press when the button lights up for guaranteed crit"
autists will cry though
>Grimoires are glorified trinkets
>Howl of Terror absolutely ruined
>All buffed demons getting either removed or slammed solely into Demo
>DoT damage drastically reduced making permanent corruption and increased Agony damage talents required
Alright then. Locks to me were looking exciting, but I guess they're following the Mage formula.
>more people play X spec because X spec is the best
>buffs X spec and nerfs Y and Z specs
>I wonder why nobody is playing Y and Z specs?!
I don't know Blizz, maybe because you keep buffing the spec everybody plays solely because every plays it because it was already the best fucking spec.
Afflic looks like a goddamn mess with these changes and was already extremely dependent on gear, and the WoD changes to how things worked ruined the flow of the MoP changes.
Demo looks like a giant mess of "What demons do what, how, where, who, wow this is a fucking mess for PvP and in general".
And then we have the babby retard spec of Destro that takes probably less thought process than Arcane Mages, and they're getting Immolation, Havoc, Chaos Bolt, and all sorts of fancy new things to just slam together for free and infinitely with no cost.
>>317357794
the shadow priest + ret paladin combo is strong
>stance of crane/serpent not removed
>still have kicks and punches for mw
>eminence removed
Why
>>317358223
well I think it's because characters still need ways besides auto attacking to kill things but hey i'm no dev
and before you say just switch specs, there are retards out there who absolutely insist on doing everything as a healer spec
>>317358184
Lock/Ret is more powerful since they can revive and suicide again. Get ready for every raid to be Ret Pallies, Locks, and SPriests.
>>317358039
Is that good for Fury? I see people saying it's amazing for Arms, but that;s because of the Colossus Smash resetting Execute does.
>>317358087
Don't forget:
-dark soul removed
-haunt removed from baseline, becomes talent, damage buff part removed, it's just a straight nuke
-destro only has rain of fire as aoe now, fire and brimstone is a talent and only affects incinerate again
-unstable affliction is a cooldown/soul shard consumer now filling the role of old haunt, so affli only has 2 constant dots now
> Check Warrior
> It's fucking nothing
We really are not going to get ANYTHING besides our cool class hall, right?
I'll probably reroll a shaman with my free level 100 and see how it goes.
>>317358223
not removed YET
they said they're removing them, probably just not in this build
Still trying to decide if I should hang up the old Monk in favor of Druid or Paladin now. Seems they got the worse end.
>>317358308
Easily the best
>>317358383
We get something, though, Warriorbro!We get Gladiator taken away.
>>317355648
>Removed:
>Long list
WHY
JUST WHY
>>317358383
>Its nothing
>You literally get the best mitigation in the game and enormous damage buffs to Prot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncV-UZ1uXbQ
kek
how did they make Blood elf male demon hunters God tier?
>>317358418
There's been literally one round of datamining in a pre-beta phase of the game's development. C'mon anon. Wait until things are more fleshed out to decide
Cannonball Barrage: Command a ghost ship crew to barrage the target area with cannonballs doing 8 Physical damage over 1.80 sec and slowing enemies by 50% for 1.50 sec. lvl 90 Talent
Roll the Bones: Finishing move that rolls the dice of fate, providing a random combat enhancement. lvl 100 Talent Lasts longer per combo point:
1 point : 12 seconds
2 points: 18 seconds
3 points: 24 seconds
4 points: 30 seconds
5 points: 36 seconds
Bribe: Bribe a humanoid target with fool's gold, convincing it to fight for you for 1 min.
Find Treasure: You can sense nearby treasure, making it appear on the minimap. Lasts until cancelled.
Riposte: Gain 100% chance to parry for 10 sec. While active, each time you parry an attack you will riposte the target for 100% Physical damage. Ripostes cannot occur more often than once per 1 sec.
>>317358087
>Demo looks like a giant mess of "What demons do what, how, where, who, wow this is a fucking mess for PvP and in general".
I though people wanted more complexity and actual thinking with using the specs.
>complaining that the spec that's about controlling demons gets all the demon stuff
What next, complaining that Elemental Shaman is the only spec that gets to use elemental attacks?
>>317358468
You didnt read it. Sadly you're the typical person who complains about these changes without understanding.
Shiiiiiiiiilllllllllllll
I feel like getting legion just to experience the trainwreck firsthand
>it can't possibly be worse than cata/mop/wod!
>>317358383
>implying Warrior needs anything except a nerf
They're far too fucking powerful lately.
>>317357597
hello permavirgin
>>317358515
Okay sure but it looks like they are dead set on making Monk evasion tanks and taking away their control over survivability, and revamping Mistweaver into some kind of Druidic hot mess.
>>317358582
MoP was good though
Nice attempt at a shit post
> Resurrection: Holy and Discipline only.
uuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>Removed
>Fear Ward
>Fort buff
ummmmmmmm
>>317358594
nice projection
>>317358645
b-b-b-b-b--b-b-b-b-b-b-b-bb-b-b-b-but kung fu panda.........................................................................................................
>>317358582
MoP was literally the best expansion behind TBC and matched Wrath.
>>317358420
Have to give it a try, then.
>>317358645
literally dogshit outside of high-end raiding. Worse PvP than s5.
>World of Warcraft
I don't care, and neither should you.
>>317358645
>enjoy doing the same shit for 4 hours every day for 4 months
sure . enjoy your job
>>317358708
wrap it up guys, we're done here. anon doesn't like wow.
>>317358668
Buffs are archaic anon. Plus aren't they just making them passive auras in party?
>>317358645
Every-fucking-time.
>During MoP
cata was good though compared to this shit
>during Cata
wotlk was good compared to this shit
>during Wotlk
BC was so much better
>>317356707
They added this under survival
>Freezing Trap: Hurl a frost trap to the target location that locks down first enemy that approaches, incapacitating them for up to 1 min. Any damage caused will break the trap. Only one target can be Freezing Trapped at a time. Trap will exist until cancelled.
Traps share cooldown.
>Dash: The duration of Aspect of the Cheetah is increased by 3 seconds.
So freezing trap is now survival exclusive. Aspect of Cheetah will probably be reworked as an active ability.
>>317358708
hello underage newfag
>>317358294
>>317358416
I'm still upset.
Being melee dps and a healer is just great.
Now it's some abomination of green swirlies.
>>317358708
>stop liking things I hate! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!
>Outlaw spec
You mean like.. a rogue?
>>317358775
Except nobody said Cata was good compared to MoP. Many people have openly expressed that MoP is often considered better than Wrath or TBC even in terms of content variety.
>>317358775
I like MoP during MoP. I liked MoP during WoD. I'll like MoP during Legion.
Deeper Strategem: You may now have a maximum of 6 combo points, and your finishing moves now consume up to 6 combo points. lvl 45
>>317358861
More like a scoundrel really.
>>317356452
>X is coming and so am I - reddit meme
just go back to wherever you came from
>>317358861
at least it's better than combat
>>317358478
Obviously doesn't pvp at all or enjoy fun.
You can immediately notice all the morons bitching about 'removed' skills because they dont read past that and realize that most of the 'removed' skills are being remade into spec specific versions, renamed, or added back as talents.
>>317358361
Don't forget that now Corruption is likely gonna be a required permanent for the talents, so they technically only have 1 DoT that even matters.
RoF/FnB changes are dogshit awful, but the havoc (no charges, no cooldown, single target Chaos Bolt for two target cleave changes are a bit much at the same time).
As for Haunt, I never liked it, I felt they focused too much on balancing around Haunt than they did the other DoTs as a whole, but it's still bad design to just turn it into what they did instead of trying to fix everything.
Don't forget Soul Effigy is basically Prismatic Crystal shit now, even if it might alleviate some single-target/multi-dot issues.
give me reasons why I shouldn't resub, because I really want to
>>317358478
I'm talking less about effective shit, and more about fun shit. Things like heroic leap and remote whirlwind were a good step, so I was hopeful when they announced focus on spec flavor. But there's really no fun to be had around. And the artefacts are all [Original: blessed blade of the character] save for the scale of neltharion which is alright. And dragon shout doesn't interrupt anymore, which is sad too.
I think if they wanted to make it clear warriors have to have no feeling of being special in their own ways, they should have went even further, have the rotation outright be five variations of "hit him in the face", have a basic fucking sword as an "artefact" and make it a point that, where all the others are aided by the light, the elements, the arcanes, death and demons and so on, we accomplish the same things with just basic weapons and armor, proving to the world no evil as great as it may be is immune to being hit in the face repeatedly hard enough.
>>317359004
>Non-combat Rogue
heh.
>Warlock
>Mana Tap: Consumes 40% of current mana to grant 15% increased damage for 20 sec.
>We already know life tap is back for all specs
Who's ready for butthurt shitter healers everywhere?
>>317358892
How is MoP better than WoD? it was literally the same except there were pandas, daily quests and no garrisons
>>317359027
follow your heart
>>317358775
nobody liked Cata
Everybody I knew fucking quit during it
>>317358453
time to main dks,hunters, or rogues at least you'll get some cool melee changes.
>>317357736
it doesn't let you log in without a subscription..
>>317359049
>Bitch about getting lore weapons
>Bitch about getting non lore weapons
This is why Blizzard doesnt negotiate with /v/
Can someone summarize the changes to Holy Paladin? I haven't played in months and can't understand shit
>>317355648
>linking to a site who has sjw community managers but also features gaymurgurl bimbos on the front page on a near daily basis
fucking wowheadfags, kill yourselves
>>317359129
it does
>>317359027
Well, we're having a content drought right now. So I think you should wait until the class changes go live.
But hey, it's your money. If you still want to play right now, go ahead. Hell, you can buy game time with gold these days...
>Wild Call: Your critical strikes have a 30% chance to reset the cooldown of Dire Beast.
>Summoning a beast reduces the remaining cooldown of Bestial Wrath by 15 sec.
>Aspect of the Wild: Increases the Critical Strike chance of all skills for you and your pet by 10%
So basically crit is the be all, end all of stats to get on a BM hunter. I'm okay with actually knowing BiS right off the bat
>>317359020
>required permanent
Hardly. All it does is saves you a GCD every 18 seconds. We'll see the other talents in the same row.
There is no way soul effigy is going live with the new Havoc. Or just simply affli's multidotting capabilities. It's way too much single target damage increase.
>Soul Effigy: Create a Soul Effigy bound to the target, which is attackable by only the Warlock. 0% of all damage taken by the Effigy is replicated on the original target. Limit 1. Lasts 10 min.
GET FUCKED ROGUES MUSHROOMS WILL FINALLY HAVE THEIR REVENGE
>>317359142
Didn't read it but assuming we have more than a couple buttons to press now.
>>317359027
Legion isn't out yet. Subbing now will only make you disappointed and bitter
>>317359154
jesus, not like i ever leave the house but you probably should go outside once in a while
>>317359142
holy power gone
auras are back, 10 yard range, but very powerful
talents to heal through dealing melee damage
light of dawn is a frontal cone again
new mastery increases your healing based on how close you are to the target
>>317359154
video games
>>317359083
Tons more content? More enjoyable daily areas that 95%+ of population would agree with. Better class balance compared to WoD. Scenarios.
The ONLY thing you people keep complaining about are the Pandas being around, and not the actual features/mechanics.
>>317358531
>Find Treasure: You can sense nearby treasure, making it appear on the minimap. Lasts until cancelled.
CHESTS CONFIRMED
>>317357806
finally, 2 hexes.
>drop totem
>immediately start casting hex on someone
>whichever lands first lands, nothing they can do to avoid it
brah i took a glimpse at Enhancement. oooh its the only way they can tickle me back in and the shit they're giving Enhancy is retarded, AOE everywhere and im talking about cleaves.
>>317359154
>average/v/poster.txt
>>317359129
You can login on characters below level 20. You can also go to your character screen and pay for your sub with gold if you have enough.
>>317359304
the totem replaces hex
>>317358539
>I though people wanted more complexity and actual thinking with using the specs.
It's not that I'm complaining that it's complicated. It's more so, that between the Dreadstalkers, Imps, etc. and all the Soul Shard generation needed, it's going to become a likely mess that Afflic has been with it having generation problems at key moments.
It's more complicated in that, because as things go on, you're sacrificing majorly just to try to maintain things that should be a basic primary utility.
>What next, complaining that Elemental Shaman is the only spec that gets to use elemental attacks?
No, but this locks Afflic and Destro into primary Pets now. With Destro for Imps and Afflic for Felhunter. The permanent Infernal/Doomguard and GoSup for pets actually provided some much needed utility for demons for the other two specs.
Now with GoSup likely either being completely gone (locking all three specs to a primary summoned demon), or giving it to Demo alone (making it useless over a Wrath/Felguard), it's just bad design. It's almost as bad as giving Demo that cool new floating goat demon, and it likely not going to have any real utility for the spec at all over the guard.
>>317359249
>auras are back
really an understatement. auras are not only back, but they're actually interesting this time instead of "plus armor" or "plus resist"
It's sad to see /v/ get hyped for Legion after WoD
Why did they remove all the buffs? Are they passive now?
>>317359284
chests were all over draenor bruh
>>317359154
The info isnt up on MMO Champion yet. I literally dont care about the personalities behind the site. They could be SJW furry transgender ponykin for all I care as long as they post patch notes. Its not like people actually read the forums.
any rich niggas on proudmoore aka the homo erotic server wanna give out gold?
>Grimoire of Sacrifice: Sacrifice your demon to gain Demonic Power. Demonic Power causes your spells to sometimes deal an additional 0 Shadow damage to the target and other enemies within 8 yds.
Lasts 1 hour or until you summon a demon.
Every patch we go through this shit Blizzard, just make GoSac only viable for one spec and be done with it if you don't want everyone using it
>>317359083
Mists was great because it had dozens of content for everyone. You had dailies, then there was the farm for farming raid buffs. Treasure hunting/rare spawn hunting. There was so many mounts in mists it was insane.
Mists had basically two raid tiers at launch to keep raiders going, too. With a BC style of raiding, aka second raid is literally impossible without the current tier of gear, unlike what they did in Cata and WotLK. Island of thunder, the dino island and the timeless isle were all icing on the cake, too.
Mists was a great expansion.
>>317359345
oh it replaces it completely, that's not fun, but necessary i guess.
>>317359325
ahh, i'm old player, grampa. thats cool, downloading now,.fuck haters
>>317359193
Depends on the percentage increase, it could only be 30% or even less. I'm going to imagine it'll be Afflic only thanks to the Havoc changes.
As for Corruption, no it's permanent cooldown likely wont be required, but I feel the twice the damage of Agony one will be, just because of how much of an increase it is. Which personally I hate required talents, it completely goes against their ideology of "Pick what you have most fun with" as opposed to "Pick this because it's the best for this or that".
>>317359426
seems like they're just gone, period
some classes still buff each other though. Retribution passes Zeal to other classes which gives them 20% attack speed per stack, and Enhancement has Stormlash
>>317359423
those cûcks deserve all they get with playing warcraft
>>317359372
You're assuming quite a lot there. What do the Afflic and Destro changes say? They're going to adjust them accordingly.
Do the upgraded demons do anything helpful for Afflic and Destro anyways? I rarely see any non-Demo using them.
>>317359427
You could only loot them once, though.
I remember when /v/ only allows WoW nostalgia threads, and any discussion of current-WoW is strictly no-no (unless if it's to discuss why it's the worse and will cause the game to die).
What happened?
>>317359423
But this time its backed up with credible and extensive information on features and mechanical changes rather than WoD which was mostly an appeal to nostalgia.
>>317359510
>Mists was a great expansion.
Until SOO lasted 13 months, yes, it was a great expansion
Fuck class changes, is there anything new added to pet battles other than new pets
I want a gym system with badges already
>>317356452
Wow, its so creative the way how they gave ret paladins tyrael's abilities from heroes of the storm!
>>317359593
>Why are people talking about a game? Why do people like things? Wtf I thought this was vee raegface LOL!
based rogues
>>317359593
fuck off you dumb nigger
>>317359597
>WoD which was mostly an appeal to nostalgia.
This expansion's selling points are Burning Crusade 3.0 and ass pulling Illidan back to life.
>>317359647
If siege lasted as long as tot did, MoP would have been near perfect for me
>>317359662
Protection has Blessed Hammer and Summon Charger from Diablo 3
Those skills owned in their respective games and now they can be awesome in WoW as well
>>317359702
>tfw male pandaren rogue
Everything looks bad on me except MoP gear.
>quit the game mid-MoP because I'd finally gotten bored of it and it felt like my rogue main was visually uninteresting compared to everyone else
>rogue can now summon ghost ships, gamble, bribe people and just straight-up shoot them in the face
WHY YOU GOTTA DO THIS TO ME
>>317359742
What's BC about legion besides Illidan (who did nothing but exist in BC) existing?
>>317359593
/v/ around Warlord's beta was filled with fanboys and shills hyping it constantly.
>>317359742
In addition to enormous revamps to classes, an actual finished listing of dungeons/raids, and systems that promote longevity like the adventure and challenge mode additions.
"They might possibly maybe be cut" isn't an excuse. Such cuts after they have stated they will only show things ready for launch would be fatal to the series.
>>317359813
If outlaw is low on dps I'm going to kill myself
>>317356741
>tfw leveling a warlock to 60 and then using free boost
>tfw dotting up anything that moves and leveling like a fiend
>>317359742
its not like they really showed him dying, just being left at the hands of his jailer
>>317359562
Well, assuming is the most we can really do without having a hands on. I do admit, I probably am overreacting slightly.
As for the demons, it really depends. WoD almost everybody used a Doomguard. There were times when a Felhunter was definitely better than the GoSup version, but other times the improved GoSup Imp was better than the basic Imp. It was a really imbalanced talent, as I also found the armored blueberry despite him being cooler looking was worse and squishier than the basic blueberry.
I'm hoping it all works out though really, but some of the changes just seem wonky to me at the very least.
>>317355648
Overpower: Instantly overpower the enemy causing 125% Physical damage. Cannot be blocked, dodged or parried. Overpower has a 60% increased chance to be a critical strike.
Your attacks have a chance to activate Overpower.
FUCKING FINALLY
Maybe I will give WoW a shot again with Legion, maining warrior since TBC and getting OP removed was a punch in the face
I want to duel wield the two left of the first one
>>317359927
No, they just implies it quite heavily. I guess we just forgot to check his pulse to see if he was truly dead
This is coming out Summer 2016. Are there new raids planned for WoD until then? Or is it an other SoO?
>>317360004
overpower was the best against rogues using evasion.
>>317360105
It is another ICC/DS/SoO.
>All the opposition to the expansion has been struck down
>Blizzard has finally covered all their bases and provided for systems of longevity, fan favorite lore, and class revamps
Will this do it?
>>317360105
>Are there new raids planned for WoD
ahahaha
>>317360105
>Are there new raids planned for WoD until then?
>>317358786
I played before BWL, actually.
>>317359889
The only thing of note are the class revamp, which will go through many changes over the next six months of beta testing. You people will never fucking learn,
>The Amalgam of Souls - Immense soul energy was released when Gul'dan conducted the ritual to sever Illidan's soul from his body at Black Rook Hold. This energy brought the souls of the Ravencrest clan back to their ancestral home - and residual soul energy has merged them into a massive monstrosity.
Illidan already rekt by Gul'dan?
>Mistweaver has been completely gutted
I just shook my head. I know it's too early to pass judgment but it's like they don't want Mistweavers to be a thing anymore.
Monks are already the least played class in the game.
>>317360145
probably not but I'm getting pulled back in anyway
>>317360145
>systems of longevity, fan favorite lore
got a link explaining these systems?
>>317360145
No, as much as I'm liking the new changes, I've just played the game for too long. Leveling will be fun like it was in WoD, but a chore a second+ time through. Raiding will just be more copypasta bosses, with maybe 1-2 in the whole expansion having a neat gimmick. PvP will likely still be a mess overall, especially with no new BGs. I'm just rather sick of the same old BGs, basic Arenas, etc.
It'll be fun for 2-3 months like always and that's about it.
>>317359847
>What's BC about yet another expansion centered around a demon invasion
Fuck off retard
>>317357917
Pvp being separate stuff should help now though
>>317360258
Yep, Gul'dan is basically fusing with Illidan and his old original timeline Skull powers.
New model for Gul'dan has him looking Metamorphed similar to Illidan with horns and everything too.
So are only elves able to become demon hunters? They never mentioned class requirements.
>>317360395
>It's demons so it's BC
Fuck off retard
Oh shit, what's this?!
>they haven't added class trainers back in
>haven't added ammo for hunters back in
>didn't revert to the old pet feeding system
>no poison crafting for rogues
nope
still the same streamlined sterile piece of shit
>>317360257
And the 5 man challenge modes which are literally the best thing they have added content wise since hard modes. Or the fixing of daily quests. Or the artifact system that gives a second talent tree, extra progression, and removes RNG. Or the long needed transmog changes.
>>317360349
Long grinds and Illidan. It's just shill speak.
>>317357458
Shamans have drawn so far away from their original class concept it's sickening.
The class was all about placing your casts into proxies once, or modifying your white damage into something that actually causes massive dps.
>>317359889
I´m not someone that overreacts over everything and shits on stuff for no reason, and I actually like how a lot of these changes look so far
But seriously, you can´t actually be that retarded
Have you learned nothing from the past few years?
>Divine Steed: Summons your Holy Charger to ride for 4 sec, increasing movement speed by 100%. Useable while indoors or in combat.
>Knight Templar: Reduces the cooldown on Divine Steed by 50% and reduces all damage taken while mounted on your Divine Steed by 20%.
Paladin is gonna be as baller as it was in Wrath they even fixed divine storm.
>>317360467
yes only elves
>>317360516
>any of those
>fun or good in any way
>>317360490
Kara.
Call me crazy but I love this set
>>317360567
>Fucking blizzard why did they change shamans into doing something other than autoattacking
>>317360516
Those were all pointlessly stupid
>>317360467
Yes. because Gnomish demon hunters is a stupid idea.
>>317360467
Yes only elves.
>>317360516
Half the shit you mentioned was a fucking annoyance in Vanilla and beyond and I'm glad ammo/pet feeding is fucking gone.
>>317360516
why the fuck would anyone want ammo back
>>317360467
Elves only, for now. They did have interest in other races becoming Demon Hunters.
>>317360706
>>317360713
>he doesn't want Hunters to have to sacrifice a bag slot just for ammo
>>317357953
Blizzard is implying now that the Old Gods are living in the Void, not necessarily a part of it like void gods and void walkers.
>>317358502
>Liquid Snake is regular Blood Elves
>Solid Snake is DH Blood Elves
It's like poetry.
>>317360490
Karazhan Crypt, for Afflic Locks Artifact, hunting down the Dark Riders and their leader basically.
>>317360704
I actually want to be a Female Gnome DH, anon.
Lore be damned.
>>317360349
I'll TLDR instead of making you watch the Blizzcon panels for 2 hours.
Challenge modes are like D3 rifts now. Each person gets a crystal. As you do challenge modes that week the dungeons scale up to get progressively harder and better loot until they become impossible. Once you fail, your crystal is drained and resets. Also each time you get assigned a dungeon the enemies get special traits randomly. So basically World of Diablo.
>Fists of Stone: Draw on the power of the ground beneath you, encasing your weapons in stone, increasing Critical Strike chance by 10% and all Damage dealt by 5% for 10 sec, but reducing your Attack Speed by 50% and movement speed by 50%.
>>317360307
That's a shame considering they're the only monk spec with an interesting artefact weapon.
>>317360820
And Balance druid artifact. And One of the Warrior artifacts. They are really using the shit out of the crypt.
>>317360781
I don't think that's David Hayter Anon...
http://www.wowhead.com/quest=10769/dissension-amongst-the-ranks#comments
and yet this old ass burning crusade quest is STILL broken... bravo blizzard
>>317360887
DK, not warrior. You're thinking of warriors going under tirisfal
>>317360845
Fists of Stone was an NPC ability. They most likely just granted the Shaman the same NPC ability.
It'll change most likely.
I just want crafting to be good in this expansion. Anyone remember BC crafting? That was the shit.
On my rogue I went Blacksmith, and crafting Drakefist Hammer for the first time was amazing. It was so iconic looking.
Then upgrading it through running dungeons and later raids, watching it look more amazing each upgrade, best feeling ever.
>>317357275
Why not DK and rogue?
>>317360585
They are literally copypasting abilities from diablo 3.
Thanks Jay Wilson.
>>317360941
Ah right, The Tomb of Tyr is also getting pimped out to a few classes too.
>>317360887
Good, they should have used it ages ago. Now the real question is, will it be the Upside down Karazhan that's supposed to exist, or the current Upside Down Room of Sinners that everyone wants?
>>317360490
The edgelord classes (Lock, DK) on some of their specs have to go to a crypt under Karazhan to get their artifact. Not confirmed whether or not this is replacing the old hidden crypt or being added in addition to it. Also DKs will visit their Lich King (Bolvar) to get his approval for the artifacts and maybe do some missions for him to prove you can handle the banter.
>Ancestral Spirit: Returns all dead party members to life with 35% of maximum health and mana. Cannot be cast when in combat.
>>317360981
What's wrong with that? If it's good and fun, who cares? It's by the same company anyway.
>>317360725
Hopefully only Humans and Orcs.
>>317357643
Is the fire elemental a permanent pet now?
>>317360981
Would you rather have "do damage" "crit when button lights up"?
D3 has some cool abilities, and I'd much rather use them in WoW than D3
>>317360571
I'm not overreacting. The aspects of these systems were clearly spelled out.Plus I have a relative in alpha.
>>317357125
>another thing Shaman damage will be balanced around that they can't use in arena
LMAO
>>317361038
>you can no longer not rez that dick in your random group
How does that make you feel?
>>317361030
DKs have two of their artifacts in ICC.
One is to cleanse Frostmourne's Shards, and the other Bolvar summons Scourge to stop you from entering.
So looks like they might go for the Ner'zhul might still exist angle since everyone hated the change.
>>317360981
Fine with me they have been gutting everything unique and fun for the last two expacs. Every class was just press 4 buttons and then use a 2min damage CD.
>>317361094
If Humans get it, then Undead would likely get it as well, and then another Alliance race would need it, so they'd give it to Worgen to balance out the Undead/Worgen thing.
>>317359249
I wish they'd taken HP out from Ret as well, I hate it. Why the fuck would they leave it for Ret.
>>317355648
>Mained Combat Rogue since vanilla
>Barely any changes whatsoever in over 10 years
>mfw Outlaw
>>317360665
Is that a druid set
>>317360665
needs a visor or shades or something
>>317357969
>I am 15
epic m8
>>317361181
Conflicted.
I don't know why they bothered to change this.
>>317359325
>You can also go to your character screen and pay for your sub with gold if you have enough
>61k for token in EU
Welp there goes that
>>317361284
Seriously Outlaw looks amazing
I was waiting for a rogue revamp and holy fuck did it come
>>317356452
eye for an eye is literally old school retaliation from warriors
>>317360681
You miss the point, Enhance could have been all "on next hit" strikes and self buffs if you absolutely needed to press buttons.
>>317361216
It's down to 2 buttons now.
Enraged Regeneration: Instantly heals you for 50% of your maximum health, but requires and consumes Enrage. Usable while stunned.
>>317360665
this is some superhero shit right here
>>317359081
>intentionally life tapping at inconvenient moments when bored
>>317361368
Now our class is gonna be infested with even more shitters who can't even push 1800 or utilize our insane raid survivability.
>>317356513
her tits look bigger
>>317361356
nigger you poor or something?
I think I had somewhere about 800k or so before I dropped WoD half a year ago, and that´s not even that much
I haven't played since wotlk so I don't understand these logs
Are classes still reduced to
>3 to 4 button rotation
>1 to 3 2 minute CDs
