Why is the STALKER franchise excused of having game breaking bugs, but FO 4 with just a bunch of non breaking shit isn't excused?
Is it the mod community?
I played STALKER and didn't experience any game breaking bugs, maybe its because I played it years after release and it got patched
I haven't played either series, but from what I know of them, STALKER has a much, much smaller team. AAA teams like Bethesda have no excuse for having all these bugs. Maybe use some of the ridiculous marketing budget for game testing instead.
>>316851325
I ran into a bug here and there but otherwise, we aren't ignorant of the bugs in the game.
Kinda hard to ignore actually.
>>316851325
Let's see.
A Small team powered by vodka and potatos and in the other hand a team from AAA studio with millions of dollars behind them.
GE I WONDER WHY
It's the other way around outside of /v/
I saw guy saying Stalker is shit and people should play more stable Fallout 3 instead....Not to mention other games being bashed for armor clipping yet Fallout 4 has flying dogs and drones still shill the fucking hting
Stalker gen at /vg/ is a support gen to reporting bugs. But that's ok because /v/ thinks it's a hardcore game. It also helps if your game is obscure too.
>a franchise with more content,effort, devs and love at a massive fraction of a budget
>a franchise with less content, no effort, massive amount of devs and a love for being lazy with a gigantic budget
who knows
>>316851325
>STALKER was developed from scratch by a small team of slavs in an empty warehouse on a shoestring budget
>FO4 was developed by/under one of the most wealthy Publishers in NA, with a massive dev team and an existing engine
you tell me
>>316851756
fraction of the devs*
If you're playing on a Bethesda game engine you can exert a modicum of effort experimenting and discover 3 new ways to become irreparably bugged whereas the only bugs in a STALKER game are patched or infrequent. I've never actually experienced a bug in Call of Pripyat. Whereas I have a save backup policy in place EXCLUSIVELY for playing Bethesda games.
>>316851796
No, you tell me.
>>316851521
>>316851647
>>316851756
>>316851796
Pretty sure GSC had a lot of developers like over 100 I remember
They were payed in peanuts tho
>>316851864
okay
>STALKER was developed from scratch by a small team of slavs in an empty warehouse on a shoestring budget
>FO4 was developed by/under one of the most wealthy Publishers in NA, with a massive dev team and an existing engine
>>316851852
>I've never actually experienced a bug in Call of Pripyat.
The only one I've had is a bug where Zulu just isn't where he's supposed to be after he abandons you. I get the autosave for "found zulu" and everything but he's not there. No alive zulu, no zulu's dead body. Just a shitload of snorks and no zulu.
>>316852096
No, you tell me.
>>316852182
sure
>STALKER was developed from scratch by a small team of slavs in an empty warehouse on a shoestring budget
>FO4 was developed by/under one of the most wealthy Publishers in NA, with a massive dev team and an existing engine
>>316852281
No, you tell me.
>>316851325
Bethesda literally higher A-list celebrities to do their voice acting.
A company with that sort of budget should release a game fucking bug FREE.
>>316852071
Apparently F04 had a small team too, and still managed to do less with more.
>GTA5
>over a 1k devs
wew
http://gamerant.com/fallout-4-development-team/
>>316852339
if you insist
>STALKER was developed from scratch by a small team of slavs in an empty warehouse on a shoestring budget
>FO4 was developed by/under one of the most wealthy Publishers in NA, with a massive dev team and an existing engine
>>316851325
Because STALKER is made by 15 slavs in a basement.
Also CoP was perfectly fine vanilla. Even SHoC is good vanilla.
Bethesda has 200+ developers and their games take them 7 years to make. It's literally inexcusable. They don't even make new engines.
>>316852364
>Higher
>S.T.A.L.K.E.R. SoC having game breaking bugs in Vanilla
Only with mods. ZRP is iffy because I haven't used it for SoC.
>>316852481
CAN YOU TAKE ME
>>316852396
No, you tell me.
>>316852396
NO! You TELL me!
>>316851325
>One is made by slavs with nothing but vodka
>The other is made by a multi million dollar company
You tell me, Op.
>>316852638
>>316852654
NO ARE NOT THE MASTERS OF ME NOW!
if 5 someone tell me
>>316851325
They never had gamebreaking bugs. Just tons of annoyances, at the launch. Majority of the issues were fixed a mere week or two afterwards, and CoP already was a very stable and smooth game, right out of the box.
I don't recall STALKER ever having the entire environment disappear. It hasn't made my character sink into the ground, or float in air, etc.
Plus, like said, the game was pretty much done by a tiny, borderline indie team, in Ukraine.
>>316852654
>>316852638
easy now, there's enough tell for everybody
>STALKER was developed from scratch by a small team of slavs in an empty warehouse on a shoestring budget
>FO4 was developed by/under one of the most wealthy Publishers in NA, with a massive dev team and an existing engine
>>316852772
You've told me, but can you tell my friend Benjamen McGee?
>>316852772
No, not everybody. You tell me.
>>316851325
No budget, great game. Bugs are excusable.
>>316852871
sure give me an email and I'll forward him some
>>316852920
>STALKER was developed from scratch by a small team of slavs in an empty warehouse on a shoestring budget
>FO4 was developed by/under one of the most wealthy Publishers in NA, with a massive dev team and an existing engine
>>316851325
Shadow of Chernobyl was pretty unstable
Call of Pripyat was better
Both were made by russians on their own engine trying to make a simulation
Fallout 3d does not even try to be adventurous. Its Ai is non exisitant whereas Stalkers has its own life cycle
>>316853027
He doesn't have an email as he's quite the snail.
Perhaps you tell me, and I'll forward the mail?
>>316851325
>Why is the STALKER franchise excused of having game breaking bugs, but FO 4 with just a bunch of non breaking shit isn't excused?
Guess why...
>S.T.A.L.K.E.R made by 3 people in the basement of Chermobyl with a budget of 1 bottle of vodka and 2 beers.
>Fallout 4 made by a team of 200 people for the low low price of 100 million $(doritos)
Because its fixed while FO4 still has that UI glitch, third person bug making the game unplayable (atleast for me), yes day one and 2 weeks after release stuff.
at best, SLAV CODE is "it just works" game breaking bug? Kill your NPC to make the game forward to your next mission, while its annoying to have save corruption on unpatched/release build of stalker. Even modded stalker can fix glitches and bugs you've made in rare occasions (didn't play the game until 3 days and saw my UI icons are fixed randomly as everything works)
Not to mention, if theres a game breaking bug in stalker theres always a work around, if not, it will be found and fixed if anything some of those are minor and does not hinder you from beating the game
>>316853027
YOU TELL ME
>>316851325
1) STALKER is a cult classic and a wonderful execution of a wonderful concept
2) Neither SoC, nor CoP had me resorting to workarounds nor the console to progress main quests, CS is pretty buggy but everybody states so
3) Its overall less buggy than any bethesda game (except CS of course)
>>316851653
My roommate, a true bred casual that only plays counter strike and fifa watched me play both fallout 3 and CoP, he commented that the graphics on fallout 3 are shit, while commenting that CoP has amazing graphics
True casuals will never play bethesda games, except maybe 4
>>316851747
>hardcore
>popularity meme
>obscurity meme
Why the hidden anger anon? Neither is STALKER obscure nor does it have anything to do with it
>>316853262
a reasonable request, I shall tell at you on his behest
>STALKER was developed from scratch by a small team of slavs in an empty warehouse on a shoestring budget
>FO4 was developed by/under one of the most wealthy Publishers in NA, with a massive dev team and an existing engine
STALKER vanilla games are not unstable at all. The problem is the mods.
And even then, the mods worth playing are not THAT unstable either.
Look at CoC, for example.
>>316853328
Is it me or are bethesda devs incompetent?
>>316851325
>want to get into stalker
>everytime i start a new game game crashes with an .exe error
>look up a fix
>"did you verify the integrity of game cahce ;)"
>>316853730
its more of >the community will fix it
that started a cycle of lazyness
>>316853435
>Stalkers UI is compact, subtle and tell you all you need to know
>FO4 UI is fuck ass huge lime green bars of radioactive piss
Why change it from 3?
>>316853730
They made the same game 4 times and STILL get it wrong.
>>316851325
Stalker is game made by 10 slavs out of their basement in one weekend with a budget of 1000 Dollars and enough vodka to fuel their spirits.
Fallout is a 10 Billion Dollar Triple AAA title developed over a span of 7 years.
And btw there are no gamebreaking bugs in Stalker. I played everyone of those 3 games at least 10 times and it was always possible to finish the game for me.
>>316854814
Clear Sky had a fuck ton of game breaking bugs
>>316855006
okay you got me, clear sky is shit. its the retarded child but - his brothers are much better - we still love him.
>>316855006
It just crashes randomly for me when engaging enemies, SRP didn't fix it
SoC/CoP were almost flawless though, only 1 side quest where I couldn't find the bloodsucker in SoC, and some very minor annoyances with the AI following you in CoP
>>316855006
The what again?
>>316855358
The game with the best faction
>>316854715
>made the same game 4 times.
>>316855454
Loner?
>>316855468
Oblivion and Skyrim count as one and three respectively
>>316855454
The Clear Sky faction that got turned into mindless servants of the C-Consciousness?
Yeah, how great.
Stalker is less buggy than any Bethesda game. They are just better games, better gameplay, more to see, better grafics, better physics, better sound, better AI, dynamic world, more factions etc.
>FO 4 with just a bunch of non breaking shit
Fallout 4 is not only a shit game, but it also has multiple game breaking bugs. I had to stop playing because I couldn't finish a quest. I couldn't talk to an NPC because of the broken dialogue system.
>>316855638
Call of Chernobyl is part of my headcanon
>>316851325
Stalker games are under ground cheap Ukraine games that are impressive for what they are.
Fallout 4 has a huge budget, and is a AAA game. Huge hype, huge market. The reason it has huge bugs is because they're using Gamebryo, one of the worst engines ever and because the devs are apathetic lazy and incompetent.
>>316855820
Gamebryo has had decent results outside of bethesda development
>>316855358
>Game breaking bugs.
I wouldn't call them game breaking, though I had one playthrough being nothing but back to back blowouts.
The factions war mechanic could be a bitch.
The grenade spam was fucking 10/10 would rage again, fucking Limansk. I still gets those flash of rage remembering the final construction site in Limansk and those fucking bastards throwing their synchronized 'nades with pinpoint accuracy.
>>316855971
You mean like Divinity 2?
>>316856163
Yes
>>316856138
How do I get ZRP to work with clear sky? It just crashes the game on startup and I need it for them tweaked grenades
>>316851325
because the core gameplay of stalker is good , fallout 4 is a rpg without rpg elements
>>316851325
>excused of having game breaking bugs
Because there is retards like you that live in the past or just parrot everything they hear, with the latest patches every stalker game is 100% stable start to end.
The devs actually fixed their shit, they didn't wait for the modders to fix it for them.
Once you get past the bugs, you're rewarded with a good game.
Once you get past the bugs in Fallout, you're rewarded with an average game.
>>316855971
Like what? Futurama? Civ?
No one else has used Gamebryo for an open world game.
Both have crashing bugs. STALKER just has more game crash bugs. It's a good thing that I can look past bugs and enjoy myself with both of them for different reasons.
I honestly think that the non game/sequence breaking bugs in the games give the games a whole lot of charm. Not even angry at them, I just think "How could these chuckleheads keep that in? It's ridiculous!" It's like a little present the devs left there for people to laugh over.
Plus, we get gems like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC2egrdAVYs
and this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFBvunP4bps
>>316851325
More importantly, why is it that a STALKER game(any of them) with just one mod(Misery or Complete), looks better than Fallout IV?
Seriously, I know graphics don't make the game, but if I'm going to stare at a screen for 40+ hours I'd like it to not look like shit.
>>316856348
>How do I get ZRP to work with clear sky?
You don't....yeah, sucks.
>>316856430
Bully, Divinity 2
I didn't even mention open world but those 2 are pretty open
They also did Epic Mickey on it
Like I said, gamebryo is surprisingly decent outside of bethesda development
>>316856504
If it was only the graphics, but you can run STALKER on a toaster and get better graphics AND FPS than FO4 on an top of the line machine.
>>316853902
Did you buy the game or torrent?
>>316854814
>Stalker is game made by 10 slavs out of their basement in one weekend
>>316851647
>>316851796
You faggots need to stop with this meme, they actually had a big team and it took ages to complete the project, it was a insanely ambitious and they had a moderate budget for the time, if anyone here followed the builds you would know how much it changed over new builds, it was just completely insane out of this world how much it changed from build to build, at the end a world of content and features got cut because THQ pressured them and in good reason and timing, otherwise it would probably have become vaporware and could have even died.
and like this anon mentioned >>316856405
the game had no excuses, nobody has an excuse to deliver a buggy mess if you actually charged people for your product, and STALKER was damn buggy on launch but the devs fixed their shit and at the end you have a very polished game sitting on top of a very complex engine.
Not that many western people would know, the international and western versions came out with 1.0004, it was the east that had to deal with 1.0000, holy fuck poor slavs.
Bethesda does not do this, they just release their mess and hope for the best, throw in one or two patches to fix easy stuff.
>>316856348
I'm assume you're saying SRP, Sky Reclamation Project. since I don't think ZRP will work with CS
also B A N D I T / M O N O L I T H A S T R O N G
>>316851325
I didnt buy stalker on release for full price. It was slammed by reviews for its bugs while Bethesda get praised for their vomit.
>>316857404
>Bethesda does not do this, they just release their mess and hope for the best
More like they release their mess and let the community fix theirs shits with mods, then release those fix as patches they've "worked out".
>>316857404
>mfw I first became aware of troubled STALKER development and checked out each known build and the differences between them
>>316857450
Yeah SRP, haven't played them in a while and got them mixed up
It sucks because I really want to play through clear sky and then try out that faction wars freeplay mod
>>316857634
The same was true even for just New Vegas.
The same buggy engine, even the same company doing quality assurance, but no one gave a shit about FO3's bug while there's no review of NV that didn't devote large section to bitch about its bugs.
>game made by a bunch of Slavs with a shoestring budget
>AAA game made with a budget that a family of three could live off of for several years
>>316857404
>Stalkerbuild1098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgp82uSl-RM
now those were truly confusing days.
>>316857909
>several years
You mean several decades or even a century because unless you want to spend like an oil rich arab that shit will last you a long time and you can still drive a supercar/live in a mansion in a less expensive country
>>316857917
Wow this was a completely different concept
How could a game with such a troubled development end up so good?
>>316857830
If I recall I have made my CS work with Faction War and SRP, Its been sometimes since I deleted my mod install textfile, sorry bro. but feel free to try it out
On topic: STALKER releases where buggy as fuck, remember they're also using a very odd engine and game scripting that can cause many problems, as it goes on for times stalker with bug reports and fixes as well with the community efforts trying to improve the game even to this day, I won't mention mods obviously its not part of the vanilla game.
>>316858527
With rampart pirating in the europe block the devs have to make it shine to the NA market, working hard on bringing in the fans and such with little pay and time
Unlike Fallout 4, there's a good game waiting for you in STALKER. Makes you tolerate the occasional bug.
>>316859024
I will, its surprising how much trouble CS gives me considering SoC/CoP I just played trouble free vanilla with the latest patches
>>316858527
Sheer love and passion for what they were doing.
Some of the devs that were working on STALKER were really fucking passionate and true vidya lovers, they would work slave hours without being able to afford meals some days, I even remember how one mentioned in a interview how Sergei "the pepsi man" owned like 3 cars and outside the studio in the parking lot those were the only cars ever parked and they never complained.
Sergei the pepsiman then closed the studio after release and a lot of them ended in Metro 2033.
I forgot the name of the main dude involved in the atmosphere but he was a true master, he was responsible for all the labs and was one of the main ones that went on to work in Metro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MIP6MHsK4
>>316859089
FO4 is ok, I just ran around in power armor pretending to be a space marine purging heretics and filth, got a strong 8 hours out of it before getting bored
STALKER on the other hand is special, it took me 2 tries to get into SoC but fuck am I glad I gave it a second go
Because stalker is a good game otherwise. The only thing more lowest common denominator than fallout 4 is asscreed/bamham type games.
>>316851325
large stacks of money
>>316859670
>the old crew will never get back together to deliver another proper stalker game
Guess I'll just give all the playable old builds a go to numb away the pain
>>316853435
I demand sauce on the mod.
>>316859531
Believe this or not, I played CS with no mods at all with 600+ steam hours in it, don't ask why and for what purpose I don't even know.end me now
>>316859670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBXYMzvtQZk
fucking pepsiman
I hope his Ferraris got shot up
>>316860075
but they are anon, after they get some funding from Cossack 3 sales
Remember to buy Cossacks 3 if you want STALKER
>>316858527
>No Rules, No Laws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsJpFmHS2yk
>>316860254
Doesn't matter
Majority of the original team left
>>316857917
>Starts to look like serious sam levels half way through
>>316860081
Wish it would at least run for 50 hours on my side anon
I love stalker and CS being the only base game I haven't played annoys me, I don't even care if its not as good as the other 2, its still stalker
>>316851325
STALKER doesnt have anywhere as many bugs as FO4, also the budget is like 1/50th of the FO4 budget.
Also most of the bugs in STALKER are just hard crashes.
>>316860408
that was pretty much the open world of the late 90's large maps with an aztec level and long range combat.
>>316860360
Who cares? Slav coders are all the same. The artists/designers are what matter.
4A had a fraction of the team, and they did okay with a followup.
>>316860254
>but they are
Fucking awesome
>>316860360
Oh...
Well at least there's a chance, right anons?
I'll give all Cossacks games a whirl, they seemfun
>>316860610
Surprisingly the only crash I had in SoC was during the final dash for the NPP. None whatsoever for CoP
>>316860408
I'm not sure if I should be creeped out or amused by that .gif
>>316860452
>Running vanilla patched CS on a laptop at a shitty res with razer gamebooster or anything that works so I can get constant 30 fps with a normal 20 fps or less on some parts
Amazing days, also if you play CS I suggest on trying out Road to Linmask if it comes out officially again, but you can try the older ones on the repo on /sg/ as its vanilla with weapon overhauls
>>316860078
Call of Chernobyl, lighting is achieved by using the steel helmet night vision which gives it that amber, comfy look
>>316860610
Yep pretty much this or out of memory CTD which can be fixed by patching to using more ram.
The problem with Fallout 4 isn't the bugs, it's the fucking engine. X-RAY is god-tier technology
>>316851325
>Why is the STALKER franchise excused of having game breaking bugs,
Because all it's bugs were fixed 7 years ago?
>>316851325
STALKER was made on a budget of like 200k, while FO4 was made on a budget of 200m
I don't care what you say.
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is a much more enjoyable game than Bethesda could ever hope to make.
Something really fucking magical about stalking the zone for the first time (or second time when you get one of those overhaul mods).
>>316851325
because stalker is a good game
I played SoC at launch and while it had some silly as fuck bugs, it actually crashed less for me than FO3 did, and I played FO3 waaaaaaaay after release. Both on PC.
>>316855820
Gamebryo itself isn't terrible. The problem is, Bethesda built Morrowind off of an unfinished beta version of the engine, and has simply been updating it from there. Oblivion, Fallout 3, New Vegas, Skyrim, and Fallout 4 all essentially are all essentially using the same engine as Morrowind, just with more shit added to it, which is why it's an unstable, buggy mess.
>>316861792
>play CoP with Sigerous mod installed
>the sheer quantity of new content is absolutely overwhelming
>even the stuff designed by particularly drunk Russians (most of it) was barrels of fun
Stalker overhaul mods are the most wonderful crapshoot in PC gaming.
Even the shit stuff is somewhat fun.
>>316862289
>dude I hope stalker goes on sale during the holidays
>really? stalker? aren't they, like, really shitty games?
>mfw
fuck everyone who dislikes stalker
>>316861402
How? It plays like it's two decades old.
It's got poor weight and jumping so you can't climb around creatively, constantly get hitched small pieces of the terrain, and the graphics haven't aged well. The only thing that stands out is the lighting in tunnels.
Does CoP have decent quests?
>>316862732
>CoP
CoC*
>>316862603
Don't buy stalker, Just download repacks, don't even buy them on steam now.
>>316862717
The STALKER A-Life shit is legit one of the best game AIs ever.
Its basically everything Bethesda wishes its shitty AI wishes it was
>he doesn't enter the zone at least once a day
>>316863678
Anon but I do
Also
>new gunslinger video every other day
>still not even a beta release
FUCK
>>316851325
!! THEY FELL FOR IT HAHAHA GET THEM
im playing vanilla SOC, is it just me or is it normal to savescum like a motherfucker?
i'm playing on master.
>>316851325
>stalker made by slavs on chicken wire and smashing rocks together by new devs with no money
>game has some bugs which get patched out
>Bethesda AAA berjillionty dollar devs old hands at making vidya spend gorillions on marketing and bribes and shills instead of the game
>game has bugs
>gsc ask <50 dollars for their game in its entirety
>beth demand >150 for most of a single title. MORE if you want the whole game.
Gee. i fucking wonder.
>>316855638
and IT WAS THE FIRST faction to make it to the center of the zone, not with a giant army of stalkers, but with motherfuccking science.
One was made in a basement with a budget of three potatoes and a bottle of vodka
One was made by a AAA studio with several games already under their belt and a budget in the hundreds of millions of dollars
>>316864693
as long as you don't do it after every kill like my buddy does, you're fine
>>316862603
>>316863098
Buy it from GOG for 5 dollars.
>>316863098
>>316865852
guys calm down that that happened years ago
I already have the games
