It's time
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/nov/15/lower-tier-characters-may-have-just-received-much-needed-advantage-new-super-smash-bros-technique-discovered/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oBLDQlPkQk
The game just keeps getting better
Characters currently discovered to do this
igglypuff
Marth
Wii Fit Trainer
Lucina
Palutena
Little Mac
Peach
Donkey Kong
Zelda
Captain Falcon
Dark Pit
Mewtwo
Mii Gunner
Greninja
Pit
Lucario
Duck Hunt
Zero Suit Samus
Rosalina
Lucas
>No DDD
FUCK YOU HACKURAI
robin and fox can do it too.
>>316807863
That's a pretty cool tech, so cool that it's going to get removed in the next patch
>Meta Knight can't do it
>Olimar can't do it
>R.O.B. can't do it
I literally don't care.
>bug abuse
>'technique'
Yeah sure. I hope everyone who abuses this shit gets banned and they patch it out.
>Megaman can't
is Megaman the definition of true balance?
>Muh tech
Gimmicks are shit.
Nobody picks Iori to hyper backdash, they pick him for solid fundementals.
>>316807959
this
>>316808093
>robin and fox can do it too.
Fuck yes
>>316807863
>Lucas
Not my main but my secondary being able to do it is just as perfect. Good shit.
>>316807959
>No Bowser or Pac-Man
>WFT can do this.
Yes, I like playing as her but man she is really bad
>Lucas
And not Ness? Fuck yes. Finally we can get some PK Love up this bitch.
So how long until they patch this?
Worthless. Nobody even bothers to ledge/edgeguard in this game because of the ledge snap mechanic and infinite airdashes. Now whenever you play against these characters you'll need to let them get back up, lengthening stocks even further.
>>316807863
How long until Sakurai removes it with at update for not being "new player friendly"
>>316808790
Doesn't work like that. Wave dashing and l canceling are things that just were used so much despite being a "exploit" because it was efficient, its the same thing with this.
>>316810693
quite soon, i bet. Sakurai truly hate anything technical.
Memeleefags are already downplaying this news.
Hilarious.
>>316807959
>First post
MY DDDUDE
>>316810664
>Nobody even bothers to ledge/edgeguard in this game because of the ledge snap mechanic and infinite airdashes
Good players can edge guard. It happens all the time in high level play. Air dodges always get punished as well. Stop being bad.
>>316810724
i dont get how someone could possibly think l-canceling is an exploit. do u even know how it works??
>Sheik can't use it
if I understood it correctly it requires two frame perfect actions in succession
not only is that stupid unreliable it's just going to be shieldgrabbed anyway. or just edgeguarded in general since there are no invincibility frames by doing this
ain't practical
>>316810376
All clones can use it it seems as shown in his demo video with roy demo for the counter get up.
>>316810376
Ness can't do it because Ness doesn't have the z-air. The z-air shortens Lucas' jump which allows him to do this tech as long as he inputs z-air while doing the jump.
>>316807863
>No heavy characters except Donkey Kong can do it
What the fuck.
>>316812495
>Smash babbies can't into two frame inputs
>>316812495
>shieldgrabbing an instant getup grab
>>316810693
>>316810884
He has never removed any techs except super early 3DS shit, stop spreading this meme
>>316807863
It's a worse ledge dash that's also significantly harder to do.
This will never become a big part of the meta, I can guarantee this. At best it'll be an option for Marth/Lucina if they counterpick you to Lylat, since it's easy as shit to do there with them when the stage is slanted.
Tr4sh babies this desperate.
>>316807863
>Ganon can't do it
FUCK
>Smash 4
lol who cares, this is like finding hidden tech in MK2
>Jiggy
Complements the moveset
>Marth/Lucina
Complements the moveset
>Wii Fit
Eh at least she could do it
>Palutena
Customs Palutena is better but still shit in default
>Little Mac
Greatly benefits since its a bonus to the worst recovery
>Peach
Might be gud for grabs only
>Dong
Im already seeing dem counter throws already
>Zelda
Still shit
>Falcon
Fast escapes I guess
>Pit/Pitoo
Might be gud don't play Pit/Pitoo much
>Mew2
Gr8 addition
>Gunner
Finally a good recovery option
>Greninja
High tier here I come!
>Lucario
Now more campy than ever
>Duck Hunt
Might be good for grabs
>ZSS
Top 3 here I come!
>Rosalina
Still top 1/2 might benefit
>Lucas
Gr8 addition
>>316813240
they aren't letting go of the ledge and appearing on-stage at frame 1 m8
>Ness cant do it
>Nor Falco
>Nor Doc
Well shit
>>316813536
Yeah it takes a few more frames but you can't shieldgrab a grab.
>>316810664
Only bad players don't try to chase or edgeguard and air dashes are the easy as fuck to punish if you just spam them like a retard. You have to know when to air dodge, when to strike back and with what attack, or when to avoid the opponent altogether in the air.
>greninja and lucario can use it
aw ye
>>316813539
>wanting to give ness more power
He's already the most braindead character of the top ten
>>316807863
openly linking eventhubs
Literally the kotaku of fighting games.
>>316812495
Did you not watch the video?
>I cant into small frame windows
Nah your just a shitposter
But it still isn't as deep or zippy as Melee or Project M. Why would I bother playing Smash 4?
>>316813707
Then just watch the video you sperg
>>316810368
I wreck shit with her, I play her for fun but I have to use her unconventionally (not spamming)
>Implying any of you shitters will be able to pull this shit off in the middle of a match
>>316811845
Animation canceling in general wasn't something some developers really thought about at the time, now it's used as a legitimate tactic and is supported by nearly everyone playing the game. As an example, watch lvl 9 bots in melee compared to lvl 9 bots in sm4sh.
>>316813628
That title definitely belongs to Sonic, I agree Ness isnt the hardest to use but there is plenty going on when using Ness. I main Ness I would like some better get up options and this would make it so much easier for him because people would fear a instant get up backthrow at the ledge off high percents.
Atleast would like it if Doc could do it, Doc needs all the recovery help he can get
>>316813737
mashing buttons and flicking the analog stick are two different things. There's a pause between each action so it can't be buffered.
Yoshi and Squirtle had similar things in Brawl. Both were worthless because of both impracticality and limited utility because it is telegraphed as fuck.
>>316813851
But the reach man.
I have to be practically rubbing into the other person to be able to hit them
>Regular Samus can't do it
Sasuga Sakurai
>>316813879
The window to stage tech is 6 frames. This isnt something that's going to be hard to do once its learned. Its 3 and 2 frame windows all that does is take time to learn
>>316807863
>no invul frames
Eh it wont have a very big impact on the metaand most likely not get patches since it doesnt change that much.
>>316813306
>>316813306
Pshhht, leave the pm autist alone.
Lagless...ledge?
It seems I hsve some patching to do.
>>316814583
Fucking RIP. I remember footage of a Ocarina of Time 3D demo where someone performs the infinite sword glitch, which was absent in the final build. It's shameful. Why remove positive bugs? It's not like it'll impact the casual experience.
>>316814583
That's.. what I said? Taking out DACUS is the only actual thing they patched out that matters.
>>316807863
Now watch sakurai patch it to piss off smashfags
>>316813772
>zippy
Is this a new meme? Smashers have a lingo as deep and nice sounding as newage britains.
>>316814737
He sure does hate us.
>>316807863
>ITT fags who actually play smash competitvely instead of a real fighter.
Sakurai is laughing ar you faggots.
>>316814674
Why post a picture of a HAL guy when a part of bandai namco did the biggest part and still does on smash 4?
>>316814805
Cool.
>casuals hate Melee advanced techniques
>casuals love constant patches
Thankfully Supreme Leader Soccereye will be on it lickety-split and fix this flaw. This is not what Smash is supposed to be.
>No Ike
Don't care
>>316814916
>>316814737
>>316814801
>if I keep repeating it it will be true!
>>316807863
Are scarves the new fedora ? Or is this literal who just disguising his second (third?) chin ?
>>316814927
Did you watch the video? He said anyone with a counter can do this aside Palutena's Counter. Lagless Ledge Jump up when you anticipate someone attacking and counter you might even get the KO
>>316814762
It's just a word, and it describes those games pretty well.
>>316814727
I was supporting your case, and the only other thing I can think of that got removed later on is Wectoring.
>>316815117
I ate a Melee disc once, it tasted more metallic than spicy.
>>316815101
No, I looked at the list that didn't mention Ike.
>>316815168
Yeah, but as funny as that was it also was really obviously a bug
>>316807863
>the only good caracters that can do this are DK, Falcon and ZSS
so what?
>>316815267
That's because the list only includes the characters that can do the lagless ledge get up moves without using counter, which doesn't include Ike. He can still get up using counter, though.
>>316815032
The new fedoras are vapers also called mouth fedoras. Scarfs is just zeros thing really. Oh and gunner glasses are strangely popular with smash people.
>>316807863
>Shulk can do it
YES!!!
>Speed form only
Meh still awsome tho
>>316813052
You mean fighting babys.
>>316807863
Melee has this as well. It's not exactly new.
>>316814916
>Faggots talk shit on other faggots
Its okay any Smash fag is equally autistic.
>>316807863
> Lucas
> Not Ness
Programming is weird.
>>316815267
Well make sure your informed before spouting off at the mouth. That list isnt final and Ike like all counter characters can use counter upon LLG.
>>316815416
>>316815672
>Include a list
>Don't include the part that says *and some others in situations
>Get mad at me when I assume the list is THE list.
>>316815287
Indeed, Wectoring however will always be one of the funniest bugs ever.
We just need momentum to carry into jumps.
>>316815919
Nah you don't because you only play on small no or barely plattform stages anyway.
>>316815834
Well if you watched the video you would had known about this
>>316813772
I'm surprised Leffen hasn't jumped ship to Smash 4 after the way he got fucking EXPOSED by Armada at Eclipse
>mfw he made a list of best Smash players putting him as tied #1 player in the world with Armada
>The game just keeps getting better
It'll just get patched out because it actually requires skill.
>>316816034
How does that make a difference? momentum is great on FD and BF, i don't know what are you talking about.
>>316816153
>top 5 player in the world
>gets beat by best player
>"Oh, I guess I'd better quit this game."
Thats like Mike Tyson losing to Holyfield and deciding to enter into the amateur leagues
>>316816192
Yeah just like pivoting right :^)
>>316807863
>lower-tier-characters-may-have-just-received-much-needed-advantage
>Yet ZZS and Rosalina, 2 of top tier, can use it
Heh
>>316816153
It's good to be confident, wouldn't you agree? I could see Leffen eventually leaving to focus on PM. He'd dominate but there's less money there, so maybe not.
>>316816335
Everyone but those 5 players have a reason to quit melee. They will never reach that level and even the 5 will not keep that level forever.
>>316807863
Oh hey look the latest smash 4 tight-input, situational garbage "tech" that sm4shfags will tout as "REVOLUTIONARY NEW TECH BETTER THAN WAVEDASHING" but nobody will use because it's so impractical
>>316816540
>Impractical
>Shows just a small bit of its uses
How so? No one is claiming this as game changing but it helps out alot.
>>316816540
Well, it's useless or more impossible in For Glory. So the only way to reliably add it to your playstyle is to play offline.
>>316813430
Why did you type this whole thing
>>316816128
>Watching a nine minute video about shit that doesn't take 9 minutes to explain.
>>316815857
If wectoring was never removed, wario would be S tier
Sakurai gonna patch it out obviously
meanwhile...
>3DS Sm4sh modding already taking place
>use the HANS exploit to access online battles
>can personally patch in all the cool shit Sakurai took out of Sm4sh including DACUS
>WiiU hacks soon
stay kucked Tr4shers
>>316817178
>>>/hitbox/
Stay there with the other pm autists.
Does this work on most omega stages?
>>316807863
Trying it with Lucina. It's pretty easy on lylat, but surprisingly hard on flat stages. Not sure what I'm doing wrong even.
>>316813851
>>316810368
>her
>>316817413
>Brawl modding is Project M
stupid sm4sher
>>316817413
Why do Smash 4 players hate PM so intensely? Merely because it is not an official release?
>>316817413
>PM2
>ever happening
>>316816758
>needs very precise inputs
>no invincibility frames
>flubbing this eats your jump
>only doable on some stages
>only some characters can use
And he literally did show all of its uses in the video. I'd say it's pretty impractical
>>316817786
Everyone hates pm fags actually.
Either shutup in your dark corner or make your own fucking game with own characters and an engine you paid for already.
OH WAIT thoseprjects are always shit like airdash or furry no block melee showed.
>>316817786
because it's taking away the only potential players that don't want to play melee and that are not literal children
>>316818142
While you're not wrong on most parts, you CAN do it on most stages. It's just that it's easier to pull off in tilting stages.
I don't think it'll be much of a game changer, though. Don't see it leading to much.
>>316817590
Default is female.
Showcase movies during reveal were WFT as female.
>>316818146
>everyone
/v/ doesn't represent the smash community other than being a vocal minority, retard.
>>316818146
you sound mad, you should sit down
>>316817786
>in smash 4 thread
>once again go cry how "hackurei" hates your very soul
>spam your shitty deviantart project in everyones face in barely related thread as always
>>316817786
autism
similar to people bitching Smash or Melee gets brought into fightan discussion
>>316818310
Very good point that /v/ does not represent the real world data. Ever noticed how pm gets brought up on /v/ way more and aggressive than everywhere else?
>>316817786
It's a mutual thing, mostly the other way around started it though. People were convinced that Nintendo were going to snuff out Project M the more they got involved in competitive going-ons (especially because of Smash 4) and after Apex snuffed out Project M, as well as VGBC choosing to not cover Project M again, it kind of started a bitter feud.
>>316818591
Who is in the wrong?
>>316818360
nobody brought up PM other than discussing 3DS/Sm4sh modding :\
>>316818142
How is this any different than techs in Melee? They require precision, if you mess up your leave yourself open the only main difference is that you cant do it on all stages (Though most the legal stages you can do it on so thats all that matters) and that some characters can do it but character specific tech is nothing new nor a bad thing.
Baiting and reading is huge in any smash game, this just adds even more options on get up and makes people think twice about trying to ledge guard and it lets people get off combos right away. DK can LLG cargo throw into his kill set up, ZSS can LLG to Up B for a kill, Mac can use it to go straight into K.O Punch
This isnt game changing but it helps characters who can use it out. Once you learn the timing it wont be super difficult to pull off consistently, stage teching is 6 frames and anyone can do it even in FG lag
>>316817786
>people aren't playing both along with Melee
Why does any vidya fanbase have to force a divide between games?
>>316818853
Because every time, regardless of the game, it's pretty obvious that [game I like] is the best one, that's why I play it.
Meanwhile [game I dislike] Is always the one that only idiots play, that's why I don't play it
>>316818853
Money. Nintendo doesn't get any revenue from PM or Melee's success. They know if they nuke the Melee scene, they'll get insane backlash, so they're content with manipulating PM quietly out of the picture in order to make way for Smash 4.
Secondly, you can't expect people to master three games. So they'll just pick the one that pays the best... the most money!
>>316813430
>Greatly benefits since its a bonus to the worst recovery
But anon, you'd have to reach ledge with Mac to use this.
>>316807863
>INB4 PATCH
>>316818853
/v/ just love to start wars over shit
>that time when people fought over XCX and FFXV
remember that /v/ hates literally everything
>>316819145
But it's been around forever.
>>316818853
vidya fanbase wars = ton of marketing = money
what do you think console wars are for, anon?
>>316815101
Lawless getup is a different thing than the counter thing
>>316819270
and this is exactly why Sakurai did the ballot and made Japan Time international.
>>316807863
Lol is that what they are calling it? I've been doing wakeup ledge knees with falcon for several months now.
>>316819128
They actually get plenty of revenue from Melee's success since it's their IP and so if an event wants to use the game they can slap their logo on the stream and get ad revenue.
Project M is literally a legal issue, if Nintendo doesnt protect its copyrights enough then it sorta "invalidates" them making it harder for Nintendo to actually inforce copyright when they want to. PM devs are actually very lucky Nintendo hasnt C&D'd them yet about it but allowing it to be streamed at a event Melee is at while they are sponsors is a huge no no. Any company would do this
>>316818664
Paranoid TOs
>>316818739
Melee tech is far more useful and universal. If you compare this to something similar like ledge dashing, ledge dashing has far more applications, is easier to do, and if done fast enough can be used with invincibility frames.
The sort of tech like ledgedashing is something that players can keep in mind at all times with all characters on all stages. This tech is not applicable in most situations you're in during sm4sh. It only works with specific conditions, if the player you're fighting is really bad and chooses to stand right next to the ledge all the time
>>316819674
>Any company would do this
Or Nintendo could do something like Valve where they buy up modders and turn it into a product. With proper documentation and official support given to PMDT, they could have a better version of PM on WiiU's. This might confuse consumers who have invested in Sm4sh, but it's pretty much free money for Nintendo.
>>316813949
L-Cancelling was 100% intentional.
Need I remind you about the Smash 64 website.
>>316816153
I hate Leffen but he was sick and bleeding at Eclipse. Not what I'd call a real indicator of skill.
>>316818460
out of all the places even 8kek, /v/ is one of the only places where you can go full aggressive on anybody without a mod trying to silence you.
second place goes to the post-reddit invasion Youtube comment section.
>>316807863
>gimmicks
>techs
Cool, now thanks for the heads up. Incoming patch.
Has any of you guys managed to pull it off yet? It looks like you have to back, forth, jump, let go of forth to do it, but I only did it once til now and that was more of an accident. Not talking about lylat cruise of course.
>>316819941
I'm glad I don't play this series for the fanservice anymore.
>>316812495
Dude, two consecutive inputs are easy as fuck. It the 1frame , wait a frame, 1frame inputs that are hard.
>>316816479
The gap is growing smaller all the time. Axe took Armada to game 5 last stock. 2 years ago Leffen was another top 25 Fox, now he's top 6. Shit changes. The top 10 are closer to the top 5 than they've ever been.
>>316807863
>Zero talking about it as if Smash is important
>>316819879
True but modding is a lot harder and uncommon on consoles than PC so it's not really feasible for Nintendo to do it like Value
>>316819941
>Diddy Kong bitching and conspirating about another inclusion is "Sakurai shitting on the DK rep" again
this fucking guy
I don't want to start a new thread for this but,
What if they added a mode to smash 4 where all the characters had to be unlocked, and you started out with just the mii?
It would be a completely optional thing, so no one would have to suffer unlocking the entire roster, but it would give players something to do
>>316820657
What's the point in that? You want something to do unlock the whole challenge wall
>>316814583
Pre-patch Greninja was also going to have DACUS. Pretty much everyone thought he was gonna be the ultimate beastmode when the Wii U version came out. Everything changed when the Nerf Nation attacked.
>>316819879
>buy up modders and turn it into a product. With proper documentation and official support given to PMDT, they could have a better version of PM on WiiU's.
the fuck you're talking about? PMDT isn't doing PM for competing reasons.
why do you think they aren't releasing their shit to the modding community and taking out planned characters that got confirmed for Smash 4?
also Nintendo isn't much like Sega. you had Sega picking up Taxman to handle the ports of Sonic 2 and CD, meanwhile Nintendo isn't letting out any fresh air to fans contributing to Nintendo other than NicoNico users in japan. (they even let them monetize their shit for contests)
>>316820828I didbut also I feel like they could do a subspace type mode with it, even though I know we won't get one ever again because Sakurai was mad people posted videos of cutscenes on youtube
>>316821097
What are you talking about? If PMDT had documentation they could get around a lot of messy brawl engine issues.
>>316821097
>meanwhile Nintendo isn't letting out any fresh air to fans contributing to Nintendo other than NicoNico users in japan. (they even let them monetize their shit for contests)
that was under Iwata's rule
clearly Kimishima is going to make a ton of changes over that, hopefully. he's a rice guy.
>>316821102
>>316813949
Bots in melee also only use one move to recover. Is it an exploit to up b as luigi in melee or side b as fox?
>>316821623
Oh boy, more game modes.
>>316821623
I wish senpai
It would bewii u only
