What builds is everyone going to be using for the dlc?
But Bloodborne doesn't have build diversity.
>>316669510
Unfortunalty it has to do with certain youtubers push a worthless "meta" level
.
Game has builds at BL 60 (endurance isn't important and can stay at default/basic stats)
Unfortunatly BL 100 to 120 in pushed by retards on reddit for BB is like level 200+ in Ds1.
>>316670605
you actually need at least 20 stamina especially if you use heavy weapons
>>316671409
no you don't lmfao, the stamina drain on them isn't as big, also the stamina regen is fast
I have 2 str builds with 11 endurance
>>316672886
you must not dash or do to many combos
>>316673296
I dash a lot
you can swing 2-4 times even after a dash.
try it
>>316668760
Arc build, because that Moonlight great sword screams Arcane
>>316673468
i did i then leveled up my stamina i like to be able to stunlock and do full combos
>>316673547
I really wish arcane didn't use bullets and just worked like in dark souls 1 that's my main problem with the game
>>316672886
yup, I never put endurance past 16
honestly 60 seems like a good idea and where ive seen eople comment on having builds in that range,
the "meta" we have now doesn't spawn build variety, and that is what a "meta" needs to do.
a BL 60 will make endurance less of a dump stat, and put enthisis on stamina management on PVP, a win win.
The one where you spam the dodge button and pretend you're playing a game with better combat like Ninja Gaiden 2.
I haven't played Bloodborne in months is this a good build? any suggestions?
Whatever build gets me the God damn bow
>>316675241
garbage
don't ever say the word "build" again
Consider suicide
>>316675241
>STR Build
>Knight's attire
>>316676292
any useful suggestions?
>>316676668
i feel like saber if i use the holy blade while wearing the knight set
>>316676741
if you are making a level 100"build" heres one fucking tip
be level 100
if not? whatever, boring build regaurdless
There is no fucking point of calling it a build if you don't have any compromises
>>316677271
well i can't use a lot of skill weapons or guns plus no hunters tools
>>316677453
delete your bloodtinge stats and use blunder buss
delete your arcane stat as well
pump skill till you reach 100
>>316677749
*level 100
My 20 STR/50 ARC build for that Moonlight GS.
does anybody know what the stat requirements will be for the new dlc weapons?
>>316678091
the big cleaver is a 15/15 weapon
that's all I know
>>316678214
15STR
15SKL
I mean
>>316678214
Source?
>>316678440
take my word for it
I played a kiosk of the dlc
can anyone recommend me a good build? i want to use the kirkhammer and cannon also some of the strength orientated dlc weapons
>>316678495
what level do u want build?
>>316678593
well i hear 120 is pretty active
>>316675880
It's going to be Bloodtinge, I fucking know it.
Picking up a PS4 with BB, so I won't be able to try the DLC until then unfortunately. I'll probably go full arcane or str/arcane though, since Moonlight Sword is one of my favorite weapons in From games.
>>316678686
It is. Much more so than 60.
>>316678959
whoops, won't be picking up a ps4 until around Christmas
>>316671409
holy shit how wrong can you be?
even if you use something as consumption heavy as ludwigs, it's still fine with base end + a %20 rune
going over 20 end is a sheer sign that you've fucked your build up somewhere
however, I disagree with the anon you're responding to anyway and believe BL98-116 is best since it allows for health, a primary damage stat at 50 and a secondary stat at 25
>>316678686
High levels are very active, especially in chalices and endgame pvp locations.
I have a BL140 50/50 build with insane damage output who regularly bashes BL100 elitist cocksuckers with 1100 AR LHB and i can coop via SRRC in seconds as well as host or invade in nightmare areas.
>>316678980
oh really? so do people just stay lower levels so they can invade weaker people?
>>316673296
you don't do combos in pvp, like at all
you don't need long combos for anything except making bosses slightly easier
>builds
Why would you use builds when you can just put 99 in every stat? Fucking casuls.
>>316679113
i do stunlocking is pretty good with the kirkhammer and ludwigs
>>316673827
>a BL 60 will make endurance less of a dump stat, and put enthisis on stamina management on PVP
current meta, even as high as BL120, does not employ anything other than base stamina plus maybe a few points.
>>316668760
A 'quality' build with 30+ str and dex.
I'm hoping that lets me use most of the weapons in the DLC.
I'm going to get an arcane or blood tinge character up to around 70 to use that moonlight sword and bow.
>>316679113
Ludwig does have 2-hit stunlock combos after post-transform r1 and you can do jump punishes with any weapon that has a good range.
>>316668760
>bloodborne
>builds
lol
>>316679184
there are a few combos you can pull with kirk if your opponent is retarded, but you can do them with base stamina regardless
>ludwigs
you just throw some blunt gems on it and take %90 of their health with two vanilla R1s
>>316679205
i would really like arcane if it didn't use up bullets
rocksteady is terrible and the dlc is over priced so im going with the forget the "batman meme" build
movies wont even be nolan directed anymore
>>316678959
>>316679008
I really suggest you don't do Full Arcane as a first playthrough. There's absolutely nothing to use for the first areas of the game, and gimping yourself will just be frustrating for some really great areas.
Level strength or skill first, and start arcane when you actually begin finding stuff that is affected by it. Some weapons claim to have good Arcane scaling, but that is only used when you have gems and stuff. Some weapons say they have good scaling, but it's physically impossible to make use of it.
Basic Strength my first time, as usual.
>>316679205
a quality build is 25/25 or greater in str/skl
not everyone needs to use the cannon
>>316679113
>you don't do combos in pvp, like at all
Im the other guy (prefer level 60)
there is some weapons that can pull off combos, and other 2 input situations where if you hit once and the enemy dodges right away your second swing will hit. (some weapons' Xforms or l2's)
but ya, Endurance is almost not a worry for pvp
BL 60 needs to happen IMHO as the current BL "meta" now does not breed build diversity at all.
What are the best gems to put on a 50 strength kirkhammer?
>>316679265
What is that outfit? I've never seen it before.
>>316679343
Did you half squint at the image and simply not read the thread?
This is about Bloodborne. Batman has 1 less possible build.
>>316679415
blunt%
>>316678959
don't listen to the faggot telling you to go arcane, you will have a miserable time with finding gems and doing damage until way late game
even if you look up exactly to find the first loot piles that have the gems you need, you'll basically gimp yourself to a single %9 or %10 gem with no others having any benefit
this is on top of having to worry about the slots on your weapon or knowing which chalice enemies to farm early on to make something even remotely viable
>>316679265
looks like almost default endurance
>>316679615
probly 15 or 16 imo or runed
>>316679615
looks like 15-18ish
could also be 8 or 9 (91) + rune
What happens if I go over 50 in Skill?
It doesn't seem to do anything, but it's still letting put points there if I wanted to.
>>316679598
>don't listen to the faggot telling you to go arcane
oops, I just realized he was telling you not to go arcane. My bad.
>>316679352
Oh no, I know that already. Myfriendhas been letting me play on his PS4 recently, so I'll probably have a good idea of how arcane works before the DLC comes out
>>316679598
>don't listen to the faggot telling you to go arcane
>I really suggest you don't do Full Arcane as a first playthrough
>>316668760
Don't really care about builds. Never have in any SoulsBorne game.
Gonna level up whatever I feel like leveling up, enough so that I can have tons of health and also equip all the weapons and do decent damage.
I've never liked the idea of builds in these games. I don't get why I have to limit myself to some arbitrary rule invented by the community.
>>316679808
you hit the soft cap
if you go to 99, you'll probably get a whooping 9 extra AR on your weapon
the only damage stat worth putting over 50 is arcane, because hunter tools continue to scale well of the stat, even past 50
>>316679895
to pvp
>>316679895
honestly sl 125 is perfect for dark souls the other game's feel really unbalanced in comparison
>>316678959
arcane is fine so long as you pick up the tonitrus asap
it will carry you where trying to make a weapon elemental won't
I wouldn't do it for a first playthrough thoughI did a 25/50 str/arc wheel build for my first playthrough and I was miserable
>>316680025
Haven't done any PvP in Bloodborne because I refuse to pay for online.
But back when I played Dark Souls 1/2, I never had any trouble invading or getting invaded for doing PvP despite not following any of the arbitrary community "metas" and just leveling up whatever stat I liked.
I'm gonna buy me some PS Plus just so that I can download the DLC, so we'll see if my decisions have any effect on my ability/inability to PvP in BB.
>>316680072
60 is perfect for BB
Fuck those youtube celebs pushing "meta" day 1
hot trash
>>316679954
So I can't keep levelling and cheese my way through chalice dungeons?
Oh well, I guess I should justgo quit
>>316679895
for fun?
builds are nice because they offer you replayability in making new ones
minmaxing and trying to plan out a build that has the best possible bang for buck plus weapon synergy is almost more fun than making it
that's what kept me coming back to Dark Souls 1 for years
>>316680094
i tried to make one i got it to around level 50 and gave up because i wanted the blades of mercy but i couldn't kill that bullshit npc that uses the katana
>>316680154
you could always vit gouge
that's been a thing since Demon's Souls
but weapon damage? not really
>>316680149
i think 80-120 the invasion/summing range seems wider anyway
>>316680149
60 is too low for me
I always used SL120-125 in DeS/DaS and after giving it a little thought, I've kind of decided on BL116 since it lets me do what I need for the majority of my builds and it's the last level in range of BL80
not really a fan of the BL98 meta
I'm playing right now on NG+++, and only because I got a platinum trophy. I gotta clear some of these bosses because FS normally doesn't tell you where you need to go to access the DLC area.
>>316680250
blades of mercy are incredibly shit on a arc build anyway so you didn't lose out on much
the arc split damage is basically there only to stop people from buffing it with paper
it's the same for burial blade
skl/arc does NOT work
>>316680319
If you are a random invader, Level 30 and 50 will land you invasions fast everywhere but cathedral ward and central yarn (for obvious reasons)
Even old yarn and hemwick lane have action at 30 (you need to be lower or same level to invade)
>>316680450
oh well that's nice to know i haven't played since then anyway which was about 6 months ago i really dislike arcane in bloodborne
>>316679482
Looks like Gehrmans Hunter Garb
>>316680149
60 is only perfect for random invasions.
If you want to stay in Mergo you sure as fuck need to go to at least 100-120.
>>316680358
>60 is too low for me
Not really
the 3 radical things are The cannon, evlyn and call beyond
but having the stats to use them (or have proper scale) will make you a glass cannon novelty build, Arcane gemed saw cleaver is nasty with a high arcane build too.
Bloodgems changed the game + basic stats
>>316680149
80 or 90 is a better level range for a main for me personally, but a level 60 character to invade lower levels would be fun. Also yeah, celebs trying to push meta stuff has always been awful. I still remember the surge of great scythe users in DaS when ENB said they were the best dex weapon.
>>316680607
Not him, Even my level 50s finds action in mergo
I've never used Plebwig's in a full playthrough so I'm going quality with it atm. Clearing everything up until the beginning of the Nightmare of Mensis. I'm saving that for after the DLC because my autism dictates that I do it in the 'canon' order, and Mensis seems like the big final chapter whereas the DaS2 DLC, although you could start it as soon as you'd beaten the corresponding Old One/s and found the key, are technically meant to take place after you fuck up Nashandy and Aldia.
After that I'll rape my way through the DLC on NG+++ with my level 205 character.
>>316680627
80 is still too high
Gems change the game so much
>>316680557
arcane is fine once you get the gems
you won't be doing more damage, but the utility of swapping damage types means you can almost always exploit an enemy's weakness
the farming is horrible though
>>316680608
I want a primary and secondary stat. In DaS, I could go 40/32 dex/int for example and have slightly low, but still serviceable vit and end. Or I could go with quality and pump up end for enough to afford 32 poise and a free ring slot. Both of those examples have a primary and secondary damage stat.
BB has less necessary stats, so somewhere around BL100 really feels best to me. I don't even care about pvp in BB and don't pay attention to meta fags. Roughly 100 just makes sense.
>>316668760
>>316668760
If only the chalice dungeons rewards coop players or maybe fucking included in the main storyline game, this game would be the shit.
I mean some of the scariest parts of the game are in the fucking chalice dungeons.
>>316680204
>builds are nice because they offer you replayability in making new ones
How does that even make sense? I played my very first character in Dark Souls 1 up to NG+14. I just kept on playing and leveling up until I hit like SL500-something. That was me replaying the game over a dozen times over the course of several hundred hours.
The only reason I started a second character was because I wanted to play a female character and couldn't genderswap my old male character. And with that character, I played up to like NG+10.
Then Dark Souls 2 came out and I did pretty much the same thing, except that the reason I changed character files was not because I couldn't genderswap (the gender coffin allowed me to do this), but because I wanted to change my character's hair color and facial features.
I didn't need builds to accumulate hundreds of hours. In fact, I'd feel restricted since I can only wield a limited list of weapons and sometimes be unable to use certain things (like spells if I'm using a STR build). I like being able to choose what I want when I want. I don't want to have to restart with a new character just so that I can use a spell that my melee character can't use and vice versa.
Level 60ish also makes ATTIRE useful
put 15% HP Run with a 5% ALL and either 7%physical or a 4% ALL
Then when you see weapons put attire on that excels in resisting those damage types
if its hybrid weapons that deal split make sure you have resists over 250 for the 2 damage types
>>316680880
Spells seem unreliable because they use so many bullets and you have to go to the dream to restock very frequently
>>316680880
>I want
its not about what you want, its about build diversity and compromise
level 60 would do this and make use of
>>316680980
My ARC build.
I hope I have the stats for the Holy Moonlight Blade.
>>316680919
>How does that even make sense?
Because being able to do fucking everything is incredibly boring.
Why run through the game 20 times on the same character through NG+anything when you can start a new character on NG that will be built completely different, use different weapons, items, have different damage stats, hp and utility. It's a unique experience every time instead of just being able to do anything and get max damage with everything.
If you can't understand why someone would want to play that way, you are an autist.
>>316680980
Fuck off already retard.
You're the same as Kobra, trying to force his braindead set meta instead of having characters across all levels.
>>316681071
I don't care. 60 is too low to have a primary and secondary damage stat. That would be like playing at SL90 in Dark Souls and only being able to level a single damage stat. How fucking boring.
I'll stay at BL100+, you can play at 60.
>>316681160
sorry but a meta that doesn't encourage thoughtful dynamics around all the game aspects becomes stagnant
>>316681083
Might need a bit more STR but looking on point. Who knows what the reqs will end up being anyway, we can only guess for now.
>>316681071
i prefer to have fun with my character level 100 feels balanced
>>316681232
>primary and secondary damage stat
Bloodgems make up for this easily
You can make a very comfy build with 50 vit and have decent scaling in the STR and SKL catagory
>>316681257
>Might need a bit more STR
doubt it
moonlight will probably have identical requirements to ludwigs, since the blade is related to ludwig plus extra arc requirements
so is 50 strength and some vitality pretty much it for a kirhammer build?
>>316681321
>level 100 feels balanced
Only cause its a crowd pleaser "meta"
120 and 100 where knee jerked from youtube celebs. Sorry
>>316681346
nope, fuck off
anyone have a picture of the moonlight greatsword?
>>316681426
level 60 feels crippled
>>316681430
bb pvp will die and lack depth at a "meta" with no real compromise
Get mad but its true
Sorry you lack the resolve and thinking skills
People on fextra are already leaning to 60
enjoy your useless "builds" at 100+ as that bracket dries up going forward in 34 months
>>316681398
yes, but kirk doesn't feel that great compared to how many options you can have with ludwigs because of its even scaling
25/50 str/skl gets you ludwig plus anything with D/C scaling or even just -/B+ scaling. Rifle spear, saw spear, threaded cane, burial blade, reiter, etc.
>>316681515
No equip burden
Stats are basic
Endurance is ALMOST the new resiest stat when it comes to pvp due to how it flows and how fast it regens
>>316681571
>"you're playing the video game wrong"
>"you have to use the meta I've decided on or else!"
BL60 is boring, shit and feels absolutely incomplete. I'm not going to waste my time at such a low level.
You can fuck off now.
>>316681708
>BL60 is boring, shit and feels absolutely incomplete
You can get stabbed cause it only feels "incomplete" cause you have not tried it
Enjoy loner town on your burger builds retard
>>316681148
>being able to do fucking everything is incredibly boring.
No, having more options means more variety. That's the complete opposite from boring.
>It's a unique experience every time instead of just being able to do anything
If I wanted to do a playthrough with a Saw Cleaver only, I'd only use my Saw Cleaver. If I wanted to do a playthrough with Ludwig's Holy Blade only, I'd only use my Ludwig's Holy Blade.
>and get max damage with everything.
If I didn't want to do max damage, I'd simply not upgrade my weapon. Not that I'd do that, because being at the highest NG+ cycles and not fully upgrading my weapons means that each fight turns into a long HP spongefest.
>If you can't understand why someone would want to play that way
No, I understand why someone would want to play that way, it's just that I don't for a second believe that this is the "right" way to play just because some E-celebs on YouTube and Twitch decided that you had to level up your characters in certain ways or else you're doing it "wrong."
>>316668760
Gun-rapier and cannon offhand. Keks are always had with that one.
>>316681708
this
your not over leveled unless your over 160
>>316681776
>you had to level up your characters in certain ways or else you're doing it "wrong."
you can play at 387, I literally don't give a shit
just don't have a hissy fit because someone wants to make a 120, which has always been the average, common thing to do since demon's souls
>>316681708
>>316681818
same fag, probly phone too
he wont prove otherwise
Im out wont even bother checking back in this thread
>>316681909
nope
>>316681909
>"TWO PEOPLE DISAGREEING WITH MY PERFECT BL60 META I CAME UP WITH ALL BY MYSELF?"
>"ITS JUST NOT POSSIBLE"
>>316681774
I have characters ranging from 43 to 140 and your 60 meta is even more retarded than kobra's 80, shitstain.
/bbg/ already picked metalevel for its FC, so did the leddit.
Enjoy killing newfriends and thinking that you're some kind of hot shit for staying at twink level for "competitive pevepee" i guess.
>>316679598
>blunt
Do you have a glyph for some high level blunt gems?
>>316682103
check the google docs on the /bbg/ OP
anything that drops 27.2% physical gems generally has a change to drop blunt/thrust up or other things like atk up at full hp. Usually it's layer 1 watchers.
>meta
On a game where playing offhost results in HP handicaps
TOP KEK
might as well go for twinking random invasions at low/mid levels
Expecting a deep meta wont work with offhost HP handicaps.
BB was never designed around this
>>316682260
Demon's Souls was the same way, nigger. And people still pvp in 1-4 and 4-1, even as we speak.
>>316682365
>Demon's Souls was the same way, nigger
It also had higher damage for those offhost
Nice try nigger
They never =ed out anyhow, inpart of the reason PVP is little more than a novelty in DeS
(besides other balance issues)
Tips for Vicar Amelia? I'm on NG+++, and I'm rusty as fuck.
>>316682523
it didn't really even out though
most people try to equip cling + friends or foes as host to try to compensate
people basically do the same thing in BB by consuming blood bullets as host at the start of the fight
it's fucking fine
>>316682634
Offhost in DeS you had some compensation with the indeed MASSIVE damage boost you got offhost
In BB there is legit nothing invaders get, nothing
>it's fucking fine
in a game design sense as its what the devs want, sure
but in these sense its "balanced"? NOPE
>>316682778
Did you just completely ignore the part about consuming bloodbullets to compensate?
Do you know what kind of advantage a free ring PLUS the hp bonus is in DeS? It's why the host sacrificed both rings.
>>316682824
reason I love these fromsoft games tbqh
several games ruin themselves with auto leveling
I look at some games I liked in the past and they would have been godlike with a "souls" like level system
>>316682863
Host can do everything a offhost can.... but host has 30% more HP in BB
DeS and BB are inbalnced
>>316682593
Dodge backwards and not to the side. Helps learn the timing on her moves at the cost of dragging on the fight a bit. And don't fucking forget the numbing mist or you'll be fucking fucked fucker.
>>316682996
*unbalanced
>>316682996
>DeS and BB are inbalnced
If they're not balanced, they're roughly equally so
that's really my point
either STR and mash R1 with Ludwig's Meme Blade or BLD and mash R1 with the memekatana
>>316682863
invaders easily have an advantage in DeS in most situations
in BB not only is invader handicapped in every plausible situation (presuming host has = equip), they are also offhost
>>316668760
My good old BoM/BT build
>>316682996
It's easier to have healing items and 30% less HP, than same HP and no chance to heal.
DaS had humanities and you could have 99 of those, for a person who chooses to invade someone's world to "ruin" their game, that's unbalanced, you should be at an obvious disadvantage if you invade. imo. This isn't Street Fighter.
>>316683452
Its almost like each game openly tries to make sure fight clubs/ pvp flow and pvp hot spots are hampered in some way
hence why a
>meta
is a fucking joke
>>316683616
nah, DaS was perfect
the dlcs gonna be fucking good
>>316683730
if people "honor" duel and no1 used healing
sure
but again, the host had an option the invader did not.
>>316683918
>INb4 Divine blessing 99 stack
>>316683730
How pvp turned out in DaS Meta play "no healing plz" was inpart because of the host only estus
>>316683452
Big problem
Potential health id still better for host
Hell he can run 40 vit and beef a stat more
Not only that, vials heal more if you have more HP
a vial pop for the host will heal more HP than a vial pop for an offhost if both at 50 vit
even if my second claim is not true, the first one is absulty true
Might try Arcane build this time. Maybe Arcane / Dex. I did Dex / Bloodtinge last time and even though I didn't have the Arcane for it, the Blade of Mercy was the best weapon I had ever used and was pretty much the best weapon. Anyway, my hope is that Arcane gets some really cool new tricks and toys with the DLC so that and Bloodtinge might be sure bet stats if you want to get to try the most interesting new gadgets.
I'll be getting the GotY edition at the end of this month.
Got no previous Bloodborne experience, so is there anywhere good where I can read up the stuff?
>>316681860
Anything above 100 is overleveled.
