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So, how did a humble independent game BTFO most AAA titles this year? is it because of a double standard?
>people criticize furrytail
>tumblrfurries reply with memes as arguments
>half the images in any tumblrtail thread have tumblr filenames and/or furry shit
>none of the fans can actually describe why the game is any good
>mindlessly defend middle school fanfic x tumblrfurry pandering
And worst of all
>games as art is brought up
>tobyfox cocksuckers reply with le games are not le art memes because they only play meme games and haven't yet crawled out of their retard circlejerk bubble
Meme games: not even once.
>>316642802
>>316642802
I didn't understand a single word of what you said. It's time to lay off the drugs.
>>316642802
What the fuck did I just read
>>316644480
OP made this thread to post that, look at the IPs/posts.
>>316644571
I would never create a thread about a meme game. I care about post quality.
>>316644765
There were 4 posts and 3 IPs, you either replied to your own bait to bump the thread, or made the thread and then posted that to bait both sides, which is my guess.
>>316644850
Or the OP replied to my post. Idiot.
>>316644958
Nah, this people are doing this nonstop with the same pasta, you think you're clever or something?
Undetale? More like Overshill.
>>316642524
Let's see
>Gameplay that is a mix with traditional face-to-face RPG and Touhou, making it a fast-paced, yet addictive game
>Like earthbound, different music depending on what enemy you fight instead of one single track for everyone unless boss, it's also own pretty great tracks
>Characters that are actually enjoyable if you aren't autistic about it
>Code fuckery there and here
It's just the fanbase, the game is top notch.
I think it's probably the gay agenda this game force feeds you.
Literally everyone is gay in the game. Apparently millenials love that shit.
>>316642524
Starting a question with a presumption is a technique of rhetoric. Let me tell you, it doesn't work on anyone with half a brain.
The fact of the matter is, your first assumption was wrong, it didn't beat most AAA titles this year. Even AC Syndicate was more fun than this game.
>>316645803
It worked enough to get you to reply smart guy.
>>316645457
haha yea toriel and asgore really are both the same sex and had no children due to it
>>316642524
because it's fun
it has mixed senses of humor, there's varying ranges that multiple types of people can find funny, you wont find everything funny, like tumblr or homeshit tier jokes but if you play RPGs or just games in generals, it's still a good play and laugh. But that varing levels of "humor" can set off a lot of autists who, while they may find some enjoyment, see something they don't get and quite enjoy and just hate the whole game as a result.
>>316642524
>So, how did a humble independent game BTFO most AAA titles this year? is it because of a double standard?
it didn't
>awful artstyle
>awful character design
>no real gameplay, only minigames
>no strategy nor skill needed to beat the game, you only need to memorize patterns
>extremely short. It only feels long because the walking speed is way too slow
>annoying characters who only exist to ruin the game's atmosphere (sans, papyrus, undyne and the autistic dinosaur)
the music was alright, although generic
>>316645940
Stop responding to shitposters
>>316646464
but, i am a shitposter
>>316646326
lol
>>316642802
first of all, its not any furryshit. anyone thinks like that are already into that shit who tries to justify their inner senses.
I personally don't see any "genderwagoning" in the game, thus it feels a little bit pushed over the feminine side, but you will see it's really well balanced between both genders.
secondly, i always hated jrpg and especially neo-8bit games. This one combines both and i fucking loved it.
Finally I don't know how much effort that faget has put in the game, but undertale has a godlike level of immersion and real-life interactions. Though this was actually what kept me playing for days.
the most and probably the only cringe thing about that game is those little anime references. and you can even avoid them without damaging any progress. And yes, I hate anime too.
What makes the heat about internet hype and overration of the game is all because of tumblr faggots who love the "cute" hearts and drawings because they cannot see beyond fake subcultural happiness.
And there are those reddit faggots who forcibly draw characters of the game in sexy poses of ponies and share it everywhere they can reach. sigh.
And there's you.
>>316648056
STOP RESPONDING TO SHITPOSTERS
>>316642524
>So, how did a humble independent game BTFO most AAA titles this year?
A loaded question or complex question fallacy is a question that contains a controversial or unjustified assumption (e.g., a presumption of guilt).
Aside from being an informal fallacy depending on usage, such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda. The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Whether the respondent answers yes or no, they will admit to having a wife and having beaten her at some time in the past.
I kind of liked the game, but god damn am I sick of seeing it posted. I believed it was false flagging but now I'm convinced that the fanbase actually is MLP-tier.
>>316648326
93 at metacritic, I think it's fair to say.
>>316642802
>pic
>that terrible fucking English
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?
>>316648056
>responding to shitposters
Stay retarded /v/, this is why you are considered the worst board
>>316642524
Why does the shitposting cancer part of /v/ exclusively determine whether a game is good or not by its fanbase and how popular it is? You guys are spouting terms like "meme" all over Undertale threads without actually using them correctly.
>>316648326
Except it doesn't. It simply states that Undertale is extremely popular, and more popular than many AAA titles. Hipster 4chan, you must know at this point, does not esteem anything because it's popular. But the author of the post admits that popular consensus could be wrong when he says
>is it because of a double standard?
If you're saying that you don't think that "[Undertale] BTFO most AAA titles this year" isn't essentially accurate then I urge you to reconsider your opinion. It's difficult to evaluate those terms' truth value objectively, but I think that we know without a doubt that Undertale is extremely popular.
>>316642524
>So, how did a humble independent game BTFO most AAA titles this year?
he didn't and you're completely delusional and or living in your own little world where you think that only what happens to you mattersPRO TIP:IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL AND YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL
>is it because of a double standard?
Hello fellow tumblrite xP
fuck you and anyone who fucking starts these retarded fucking threads with a circular reasoning fallacy as the literal headline.
>>316649646
>and more popular than many AAA titles.
HOLY SHIT THEY REALLY BELIEVE THIS
I loved Undertale. Still, the only reason why it's a contender for GOTY 2015 is because 2015 was a terrible year for gaems.
>but it refused
I just finished my first run today. I killed a couple of bugs in the ruins but otherwise had a clean playthrough, but I still got theFlowyending. Not gonna lie, that was creepy. I kinda figured how it would end, but the presentation and the loops it through you through were just... man. I don't know why everybody says this game is so cute, everything with that fucking character in it is downright horrifying.
Started a new playthrough to get the other ending today, so far going really well.I will never forgive myself for killing Toriel the first time. I thought she'd let me through before defeating her all the way, but then your last hit gets that super crit on her that takes off a quarter of her health and insta killers her. Then that fucking Flowey has to come and rub my save-scumming into my face. Fuck that bitch ass nigger.
>>316649224
I think Hylics was made with a random text generator
>>316650093
Get out before someone spoils you, the game is best played blind.
Just make sure to not be a coward and do genocide when you're done. Don't believe Floweys lies.
>>316650093
I think everyone gets the Flowey ending first. That or I just didn't get the phone call for the Alphys date until after I finished and reloaded
>>316650092
>tfw it refused
went out and bought a pie becus dundertale
its all a pie scheme really
>>316650383
>>316650093
Everyone gets the neutral ending first. I think you can go full genocide on your first run, but Undyne won't call you to take the letter to Alphys till after a neutral run.
Hard mode when
>>316651004
>bought a pie
>bought
So lazy.
>is it because of a double standard?
Do the other games have a fuckable robot?
No?
The answer is clear.
>>316654636
Any game where I can pose dramatically is okay in my book
>>316654785
Gotta raise those ratings
>>316648352
Yeah same, its a good game but my god it has the most obnoxious fucking fanbase since homosuck, which I'm fucking sure is the same fanbase anyway since it has the same pseudo-deep vibe to it
>>316642524
undertale posters:they do it for free
>>316642524
Because it was legit good.
i thought this game was good
i want to fuck that robot
>>316648056
>thus it feels a little bit pushed over the feminine side, but you will see it's really well balanced between both genders
I want tumblr to leave desu
>first of all, its not any furryshit. anyone thinks like that are already into that shit who tries to justify their inner senses.
you're either ignorant or just pretending to be ignorant. the game constantly panders to tumblrinas and furfags, that's why so many of them love it and defend it to the death.
>>316654636
>fuckable
>tranny
back to tumblr with you!
>>316657116
How is he a tranny
He's just a fab dude
>>316657263
>female ghost in male robot
hmmmmmm...
I enjoyed the bullet hell gameplay, loved the music, liked most of the characters (Aliphys was too on the nose) and thought the story was nice and well realized. GOTY 2015? fuck nah, Bloodborne and Mario Maker were more fun for me, baby. Doesn't mean I don't really like Undertale, because I really do. To call it the best thing ever would be exaggerating, but it definitely isn't shit.
Worst game I've played in my entire life
Glad I didn't spend $10 on it desu
>>316657320
Robutts don't have sex organs.
>>316657320
>>female ghost
When is it ever hinted the ghost was female?
>>316657341
>I enjoyed the bullet hell gameplay
bullet hell fan here, why?
>>316657458
>>316657501
either way it reeks of tumblr.
>>316645357
>papyrus and sans co-op game
I HAVE A GREAT DESIRE
>>316657609
>>some tumblrite headcanon confused me and I thought it was true, better accuse the game itself of being tumblr to save face
>>316657609
>Everyone is trans and autistic and X sexuality
Tumblr needs to be cleansed.
>>316657712
but anon, the game does pander to tumblr.
the creator even allowed this despicable furshit in the game. you're really defending this garbage?
>>316657520
I thought it was unique, mixing it with an RPG. Adding silly characters and graphics as things to dodge made facing each monster rewarding to me.
Trying to no-damage the final bosses is also an insane challenge and I'm a crazy boy.
>>316657782
>butter dragon
holy fucking kek
The thing is, if a AAA studio put out this exact game it wouldn't be as well loved because it would be seen as pandering or whatever new buzzword people are on at the moment.
>>316657841
fair enough, I just find his use of physics objects as bullets unforgivable.
>>316657782
how much DID that lardass pay to get this lardass in the game anyway?
BEST SONG COMING THROUGH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4wptBuM6zs
>>316657609
>mettaton is trans autistic and gay
Speaking as an actual autistic person I find this sort of behavior from SJWs to be extremely patronizing.
Besides, autism is an extremely nuanced psychological condition that would be difficult to represent adequately in a video game.
>>316657970
it's still considered pandering. bacause it is.
why else would the game be filled with flaming homosexuals and furries?
>>316658006
one thousand dollars. muffet was the same story, but she's not nearly as bad and evenkind of cute
>>316658006
$1000, I think.
And to Toby's credit, he did hide the character well enough so that most people won't ever see him.
boring, predictable, play-once game with le epic 8bit retro totally not overused style
It didn't BTFO of anything. It's just a few of you fags, redditors, and Tumblrinas that like this shit. I'd literally rather play the most weaboo game out right now than this shit.
>>316658065
>Besides, autism is an extremely nuanced psychological condition that would be difficult to represent adequately in a video game.
Undertale is a cohesive game made by a single person with a clear purpose in mind, and a good way to convey it.
On the other hand, AAA games are a multi million dollar hundred people mess whose sole purpose is being "safe enough to get as many sales as possible for normies".
This is like asking why a single good chef can outdo mcdonalds or canned food in quality.
>>316658062
I prefer this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-RyLUQUrAat 200%
>yfw this happened
IF you think Undertale is a bad game, then please, what was your GOTY this year? I'll be more than happy to accept any game, as long as it's better than Undertale. HOWEVER, being "better" means that it can't share a single flaw. That means:
>it can't have popularized any memes or enticed the fanbase to make memes (MGS, Splatoon, Halo)
>it has to have good graphics (no mature games for mature gaymers, like halo or Xenoblade or anything with 3d polygons, because I'm sick of games trying to be open world)
>no casual games (anything on the WiiU or Ps4)
>it must be optimized for the PC, that means it uses a keyboard and mouse
>no hardware restrictions
>no story games either (that means no Xenoblade or MGS)
Games like Rocket League are okay by me, since they're relatively simple, fun concepts. But mature dudebro murder simulators like Bloodborne and The Witcher are not welcome.
>>316658209
he still let it in the game? would you?
would you not save your dignity and tell the furry not to shit up your game?
even if he refuses to change it he still lost the money, toby made the final decision and no amount of hiding will change that.
>>316658281
Thats why one single mechanic can build a better car than full production line OH WAIT that's fucking stupid
>>316657609
>sans is autistic and depressed
>>316658381
>no casual games (anything on the WiiU or Ps4)
wut
>>316658381
If you jump down your toilet into the sewer, you'll be surrounded with shit. You can pick out the nicest looking shit but it's still shit.
>>316658381
My personal GOTY is Bayonetta 2
I very much enjoyed Undertale though
>>316658090
Well, even then, /v/'s natural hate for the big companies would spark even more shitposting than there is now.
>>316658467
>I use an analogy as a metaphor after explaining what I'm trying to say
>You bring a completely unrelated analogy that doesn't make sense
Nice going retard.
>>316658381
i've seen this in every thread i've shit up and have said MGSV.
you're only posting this to try and illicit a response from me, you triggered tumblrina.
LOL! PLAYED LIKE A FIDDLE!
CAN I FUCKING EXIST NOW AGAIN?
>>316658418
>would you not save your dignity and tell the furry not to shit up your game?
not him but fuck dignity. Selling out is really overrated. I mean damn I LOVE money
>>316658381
No one cares about your opinion lard ass. GOTY will be a "casual normie" game. Stay mad.
>>316658520
It's a meme when people say Bloodborne or Bayonetta are hard, when in reality they're pretty damn easy to anyone who ever grew up on a PC.
>>316658554
>Bayonetta
>2015
>>316657782
>hid away in a location 99.9% of players will never find
based toby
>>316642524
It's because >>>/tumblr/
>>316658090
Because the world isn't nearly as small or categorized as you soooooo very obviously believe.
;^)
>>316658381
I didn't play Undertale so can't comment on whether it's better, but I really liked Life is Strange, Ori and the Blind Forest, and the Talos Principle DLC.
How can I make my indie game become as popular as Undertale?
>>316658603
millennials need to kill themselves.
>>316658565
and the game would still be a mess of tumblr and furbait.
>>316658601
uboa?
>>316642524
It's because the creator actually cared about his game and put a lot of effort and attention to detail in it. Something most AAA publishers are incapable of doing (Fallout 4, Bam Ham Knight and Assassin's Creed 64567 being prime examples of stale garbage pushed out the door for cash with zero care put into them).
Not to say NO AAA game had love and effort put into it this year. It's obvious Xenoblade X, Witcher 3 and Splatoon all had the developers invested in the game.
>>316658176
I do have to give the game credit, it barely felt like Muffet was a kickstarter character and fit in very well with everything.
Butter dragon on the other hand? Not so much...
>>316658418
>he still let it in the game? would you?
He paid to have his character in the game, so yes.
Then again, I'm a poorfag, so I would take any money I could get.
>>316658703
>Life is Strange
Visual novel with no gameplay? I wouldn't say that's a valid contender.
>Ori
Good platformer. I'd gladly accept this.
>Talos Principle
Never played it myself.
>>316658686
>MKUltra: the game
I've never seen a game so capable of completely changing people who play it. People abandoning prior videogame favorites and even tastes in games and entertainment as a whole to fellate a game about atari graphics and dating skeletons and furries.
To the extent even that people doing combat in what's ostensibly a turn based RPG are considered to be doing a "genocide run" and are actually considered to be bad people for killing pixels in a videogame.
It's baffling, it's insane.
Not to mention the obvious socjus narrative of the very feminine main character having "they" pronouns and being considered "gender neutral" while going on gay and straight dates with furries and skeletons who all happen to also be bisexual because muh progressivism.
I wonder what Freudian analysis could be made about all the love for the "goat mom", especially among those who draw the fanart of porn and/or making her a BBW…
>>316658704
it's easy, make a good game
>>316658703
>Talos Principle DLC.
Is that any better than the main game?
>>316658707
>how dare you pick money over dignity
tip cake, m8. Call me again when dignity is paying my bills
>>316658821
I don't think you get how kikestarter works.
he paid to get it in the game, but by no means are you obligated to put some asshole's fetish in your video game. he still loses the money, weather or not he changes his shit up.
>>316658885
But there are similar games like LISA which didn't become this popular. There must be a secret formula
>>316658901
It's pretty damn good, give it a try if you liked the main game. The puzzles are very inventive
>>316658708
Gaster.
Guy got scattered throughout time and space so hard in-game that he and everyone who knows him have to be modded back into the game by messing with the code just to see them. If Undertake does one thing well, it's clever use of the fourth wall.
>>316658381
> tired of the open world games
> doesn't realize rpgs have been open world since d&d
>says no casual games
> picks a rpg without a world map calming not to be casual
Don't start preaching to me about game play. Nier did bullet hell rpg long before and better
>>316642524
Frankly, this game isn't all that good and I've been very patient with these threads. All you people shilling this wannabe JRPG are annoying as fuck.
The game is worse than just about every major JRPG release I can think of that I have played. Even Final Fantasy XIII was more enjoyable than this shit.
You people like this game because it is an Indie game, its furbait, and the idea that because you can go through without killing anything that is somehow amazing and not a total snorefest. The game tries to be deep and fails miserably. The game's best aspect(the shmup elements) could be better utilized in a sequel of some kind is about the best compliment I can give it.
That being said, the fans of this game are easily the worst thing about it. You fucks are annoying autistic fuckwads and your game is shit, but if it came down to Fallout 4 or Undertale. I really hope Undertale would win. Unfortunately I don't see Undertale winning jackshit besides maybe something indie related.
>>316658918
>Call me again when dignity is paying my bills
try honest work, millennial scum.
>>316659025
LISA isn't very good.
>>316642524
>So, how did a humble independent game BTFO most AAA titles this year?
Delusion
>>316659069
>if you liked the main game.
I thought it was alright but not spectacular.
Ended up getting bored of the puzzles near the end. I'd hardly call it a bad experience at least.
>>316659086
> picks a rpg without a world map calming not to be casual
My post isn't praising Undertale. I'm actually operating under the assumption that I hate the game, and am asking for recommendations that steer me as far away as I can from it.
>>316659107
>The game tries to be deep and fails miserably.
mind giving an example of this?
>>316659260
>I'm actually operating under the assumption that I hate the game
That doesn't seem to make much sense.
Why would you chose to assume you hate the game?
>>316657014
kek that image really does say it all, doesn't it?
>>316659110
>millenials invented selling out
you people...
>>316659342
>YOU WERE THE TRUE MONSTER
Just shut up, anon. I don't know why you're bothering to even try to resist the fact that the game tries to be deep and it just doesn't work.
>>316659110
>honest work
yeah honest work gets you a room in an apartment with 3 other people
do you even have an actual reason to turn down $1k besides muh integrity?
>>316659368
I'm trying to be fair and making a point.
Assume that I hate everything associated with Undertale, and want a game that isn't anything like it whatsoever. That means I don't want games with furries in them, or casual gameplay, or anything like that.
>>316659136
it isn't?
>>316659260
what the fuck are you even saying nigger?
like what
just don't play the game if you think you'll hate it god damn. on the other hand, play it if its the opposite
>>316659512
>YOU WERE THE TRUE MONSTER
Okay we've identified a theme, now onto the next step. How does it try to be deep
>>316659512
What are you talking about?
Do you think the game was trying to surprise you by calling you a bad person after killing everyone? Because they made that pretty obvious as you where killing them.
Cause it's fun and has a lot of heart and soul put into it. Basically the antithesis of AAA games.
>>316642524
No, it's because of furries.
>>316659532
I suppose some modern FPS would fit that bill.
>>316659848
>modern FPS
>no casual gameplay
You're a funny guy anon.
>>316659630
That is the thing. That's all it does. It establishes a theme. If so many Undertale fans I've discussed this with weren't so insistent that I just didn't "understand" the game, I wouldn't be accusing the game of trying to be deep, but apparently the legion thinks its the deepest most meaningful shit ever to grace the planet.
>>316659678
No, I don't. That's exactly the problem. It's right in your face. The game tries to be deep initially but then does nothing.
>>316659678
>>316659025
A lot of people really like Undertale and find it touching and when they finish playing it they want to tell others and have them experience the same. LISA as good or bad as it may have been can actually be pretty horrific at times, it doesn't fill you with a desire to share it.
>>316659723
Don't forget that it's cheap to buy and made on a low staff and low budget and doesn't try to make up for a lack of innovation and depth with "OMG SO REAL" graphics, and didn't spend a third or more of its budget on marketing alone.
Undertale really is the complete polar opposite of your average AAA release.
>>316659962
I said "some" yes?
Honestly, I don't know why you're so intent on finding a polar opposite to undertale in the first place.
>>316658381
Here's an image for your shit taste. Undertale was great, but so were many of the games and platforms you're generalizing, you gigantic fagwagon.
>>316659983
>The game tries to be deep initially but then does nothing.
Where do you get the impression the game is trying to tell anything beyond its own story through your own actions?
That's certainly not the impression I got.
>>316657609
it really is amazing how tumlrites manage to make characters that should be linear/simplistic into categorical shit that a normal person wouldn't care or need to know about.
Their fucking warped reality makes them force shit like this and other aspects of their agenda (to make everything relatable to them based on sexuality rather than character) to ends where they should stay the fuck out of.
>>316654636
Where's the patch that makes him dateable, Toby? You fucking promised a robotic husband, Toby.
>>316642802
Stop misusing the term meme game faggot
Goat simulator, rock simulator, Five Nights at Freddy's
These are meme games.
>>316658357
>clipping
>>316658601
Not until Toby stops being a lazy nigger.
>>316642802
I just beat Hylics today. The best 4 hours I spent on a RPG Maker game.The different Things animation kills me, especially the frozen burrito.
>>316659983
You really are just shooting yourself in the foot with this post.
>That's all it does. It establishes a theme.
Okay great, what's wrong with that
>The game tries to be deep initially
But you literally just said that all it does is establish a theme, which is it? That bit of contradiction aside,
>the game tries to be deep initially
How
>>316659434
no, but they sure are the best at it. boomers were sellouts too.
the sooner you see that boomers and millennials have the exact same logic, but different work ethics you'll understand a lot.
>>316659527
>I don't understand how shit works: the post.
you also fail to see that if someone gives money to a funded kikestarter project they lose the money even if the project delivers nothing.
>>316660267
It hardly matters. People will just use it as a blanket "I hate it for a nebulous reason disguised as comradery" term.
>>316660267
>undertale
>not the new FNAF
are you serious nigger?
>>316660398
>>316660229
Nothings really wrong with it. I'm just pissed off at the autistic fans is all. They're louder than guys like you. They swear I'm not fucking getting it and it makes me want to punch them in the furdick.
>>316657609
>Mettaton is male
>He hits on player, who is implied to be a girl
>Ghey
>>316660128
They're only good if you lower your standards down to where you can find dinosaur bones. And as a paying customer, why should I?
this memegame needs to go
>>316660530
Does it look like something you can cover in 15 minutes while making "Hil-ar-ious" screaming noises?
>>316660605
>Implied
When? I always thought it was supposed to be ambiguous so it's easier for the player to project themselves onto them?
>>316660595
>I'm just pissed off at the autistic fans is all.
Oh. Well that's just an entirely different issue.
You're just mad at over-analytical dorks claiming certainty. Not worth your time or anger.
I always try to separate my experience form fandoms.
>>316660605
the player is genderless too so all the progressive faggots can jerk off over a self-insert protagonist.
>>316660605
>implied
Women just aren't equipped with that kind of libido.
>>316657782
Toby knew this was horryfingly cringeworthy so it is hidden and you can kill it and it doesnt matter if you are doing a pacifist run cause it only gives 1exp.
>>316660605
>on player, who is implied to be a girl
Besides, Mettaton never hits on Frisk, he just says fabulous shit like "darling" and "gorgeous" because it's showbusiness, and the whole "one true love" shit was literally a play.
>>316660530
Yeah, Toby is gonna fart out 4 sequels in a year.
>>316660595
The quality of a game should never be decided by its fanbase.
>>316660605
>who is implied to be a girl
It's never stated one way or the other.
If you thought Frisk was grill, that's your own impression.
>>316660647
Do you even have fun with anything anymore? MGSV and Splatoon are genuinely fun and well made games. I honestly don't think either of those or Undertale are GOTY, but I play games because they're fun, not because some faggy magazine with shit taste picks them due to popularity.
>>316660745
People keep saying Toby made Frisk gender ambiguous, but more male characters hit on you than female and your first items are girl shit.
>>316660838
he won't but undertale is still the latest flavor of the month furry endorsed meme game.
>>316658704
1. make the artstyle similar to earthbound, center the game around a big cast of quirky characters that's easy to make OC/fanart off, make a setting that gives them anime powers (determination), make sure the game isn't unplayable.
2. profit.
>>316660907
>MGSV and Splatoon are genuinely fun and well made games
Who says? Some random guy on the internet?
>I play games because they're fun, not because some faggy magazine with shit taste picks them due to popularity.
Yet the people who proclaim these games as the best thing ever have the exact same credibility as these "Faggy magazines".
>>316658704
just pander to tumblr and they'll do all the work for you
>>316660971
That honestly doesn't sound nearly as bad as you seem to be trying to make it sound.
>>316660971
All of that requires talent.
Character building isn't as easy as people make it seem. Good aesthetics simplicity is also difficult to achieve.
>>316660971
Thanks. I think I already have the quirky characters part figured out
>>316660907
It's fine to have fun with a game.
It's far better to explain why it's fun.
Every game was BTFO by Splatoon. Stay fresh bitches :)
>>316661027
>Who says? Some random guy on the internet?
Well no shit. I played them and I enjoyed them. If you didn't want a recommendation, you shouldn't have asked for one in your initial post. But your point is right. I don't really have any credibility, nor do any of the major publications. They can tell you what's objectively wrong with a game and what they think is right about one, but you have to come to a conclusion yourself. So stop arguing on a message board and buy or pirate them and decide for yourself faggot.
>>316660835
>implying Mettaton won't be all over Frisk's ambiguous genitals since they're ambassador to the human race and he wants to make it big in the human world
Hope he's got an autoblow built-in.
>>316660949
It's literally the same audience as LISA the painful.
You still don't know what a meme game is, stop misusing the term.
>>316661193
Not that guy, but I enjoyed the characters and found themhumerous
>>316645357
Sans and Papyrus better show up in another game down the line
Easily the best characters in the game
>>316661307
You little slut.
>>316658637
Traditional PC "gamers"
>good at action games
Pick none
>>316661285
Not really. Not that guy, but I played both, and Lisa is really grim and not all happy-nice funny, and doesn't have the same upbeat feeling as Undertale does. That would explain why it sold less in about a year than Undertale did in a month.
>>316650375
>that cutThat's kinda hot.
>>316661097
>good aesthetics simplicity is also difficult to achieve
except it's not
>>316658704
Put a lot of love and effort into it. Pay attention to details (checkable objects, item flavor texts, how different players could react differently to the situations you put them in, etc.)
Write engaging characters that the player can get invested in. Have funny and memorable dialogues.
Make sure your game "flows" well, so the player is not stuck doing the same thing to the point it becomes monotonous or repetitive, vary dialogues and gameplay, plot dumps and exploration, etc.
Make sure to ramp up the difficulty properly. The more the player plays the game, the better they'll get accustomed to the controls and mechanics, when they do, you can introduce new mechanics to change things up, expand certain mechanics, or create more challenging scenarios using the skills they've assimilated.
>>316658291
I want to fuck a temmie
>>316661097
Do you have any tips on character bulding? Even the simplest ones
>>316661270
>Well no shit. I played them and I enjoyed them.
So because you had "fun" it's an objectively good game then?
Because gee, you know what kinda games that normal people find "fun" and "enjoyable? They're the games that win massive awards for being "progressive" and whatnot.
So I guess popular opinion isn't that trustworthy.
>>316661097
Character building is simple when you base them off of a single trait or quirk or emotional base like many of the characters in Undertale. Not that something like that is bad, but building multi-dimensional characters is where writing a character becomes tough. I imagine Sans took the most time to get right out of every character in the cast.
The community is fucking garbage.
Solid game, though. Interesting mechanics, bitchin' music, great story.
>>316661548
It's basically a vibrating onahole.
>>316661285
LISA wasn't full of characters that spouted shit tier referential humor or talk in shitposts like pic related
LISA did gay characters tastefully instead of shoving them down your throat like undertale
LISA actually felt like a proper homage to earthbound, where as undertale felt like I was hanging out with weird kids that smoke pot in public and write sanic fanfiction.
get the fuck out.
>>316661478
They're very similar in humor and in being earthbound-like.
But yes, Undertale has it's dark moments but nothing is more fucked up then having a drug dealer make you decide between cutting the nipple off a little girl, cutting off your own arm or killing your team members.
>>316661543
Thank you, that was very helpful. I'm a sucker for little details like that
LISA and Undertale fans fight? The fuck, boys?
>>316661892
I dunno, both are stellar games, man.
>>316661876
whatever you do, make sure it's progressive or tumblr will lynch your ass.
>>316650092
>>316650904
>>316653360
>tfw the heroine appears
>>316661580
pick a trait or a group of traits and build the character around it.
Costume Quest seemed more Earthbound-ish to me than either of these games, to be honest
>>316661803
I see no referential humor in the picture you posted. Sounds like you're "meme crazy."
While I do want to play LISA, it looks like a fucking EDGE fest, which is a huge deterrent. The only reason I'm taking any interest in it is because of /v/, similarly with Undertale back in the day of the demo when people here appreciated it and had nice discussions.
>>316661580
Base them off of an emotion or an emotional quirk or tick and work from there. But don't make that the entire character. Building a living character requires them to have complex thoughts and feelings, and to go against or with their flaws and quirks. Also, unless it's like a one-off character or you're writing something really wacky, try not to just have a crazy little quirk be the sole drive behind a character. Something like a nervous tick or a habit to be autistically worried about cars can be built off of and potentially made compelling. Something like "oh my character has le green hair" or "my character is half rhinocerous" is harder to work in and takes more work to not seem like you're just tossing in special snowflakes, unless it fits the theme or setting of your story. That said, good writing can be taking really fucking zany quirks and making them seem grounded to earth.
>>316662117
>grill and black dude all warrior like
>wite boys a pony fag and a robut fag with no weapon
>>316662125
Lisa is as edgy as UT is funny. Take that as you will, I thoroughly enjoyed both. Lisa made me feel like shit, UT made me feel happy. Both are good.
>>316662125
how bout this one?
the game isn't full of maymays but it does draw heavy inspiration from internet use.
>napstablook(lol napster!)
>is anime real?
>burgerpants(lol ass burgers! get it!!!)
>>316662125
Naw, Lisa is solid. It's a story about a man trying to fix things he's broken. The only 'edge' is the fact he's dealing with a crippling drug addiction while he's at it to which there's no cure for.
>>316662220
No one cares.
Don't be just as bad as the tumblrites.
>>316662351
>lol ass burgers!
That's a stretch.
>>316662351
What's the meme there? It's an emotionally unstable plane.
>>316661892
We fight because we care. We're like siblings.
>>316661626
>So because you had "fun" it's an objectively good game then?
>Because gee, you know what kinda games that normal people find "fun" and "enjoyable? They're the games that win massive awards for being "progressive" and whatnot.
>So I guess popular opinion isn't that trustworthy.
Did you ignore the rest of my fucking post? I basically told you that. Popular opinion isn't worth shit. I basically only go on /v/ for videogame related stuff, and half of the people told me Undertale was shit. I initially went with that, but then I tried it for myself and I had a fun time, and it wasn't nearly as bad as they made it seem. So like I suggested in the last post you only read the first two sentences of, play games yourself and form your own opinion.
>>316662351
I literally didn't get 'assburgers' from burgerpants. I saw that as more of a joke about spaghetti and pockets, with burgers in pockets instead.
>>316661714
Funny how when we try to imagine other people, our perfect idea of people is defined by a single trait, rather than the complex bag that people actually are.
Truly is the source of moral absolutism cancer.
>>316661580
Base them off people you know, people with actual character, but don't make it obvious. It's a good starting point to get an idea of how complex people can be.
>>316661497
A lot of thought was put into the original sonic the hedge hog design even though it's simple.
It's hard to achieve an aesthetic simplicity.
Developer's passion > producer's $$$
>>316662443
I do play games myself. Why do you think I hold an opinion that /v/ hates me for?
Infact, did you know that Undertale isnt even my GOTY? I hold another game in that spot.
>>316662351
Sure, that's fine, but I still feel like you're grasping at straws for something arbitrary to complain about. To each their own, I guess.
>>316662437
what is tsundere?
you're on an anime website you should know this one.
>>316662448
which is still an internet reference. my point still stands.
>>316662529
Well said, anon. Well said.
>>316662448
this, burgerpants was literally just a young guy working at a fast food burger place to me, it never crossed my mind that he was referencing anything but that
>>316662536
not really, I just want you guys to admit the game is full of tumblr pandering, furbait, and internet humor.
pic related also counts. straight up memebait.
>>316662125
LISA has a FotNS moment right at the end of the base game that has more feels than the end of Undertale's pacifist run, but in a more depressing way. Also, the entire game is basically a super fucked up FotNS.
>>316662585
>you're on an anime website you should know this one.
Uh, no? Because I don't watch anime obsessively.
>>316662664
Then you're a fucking moron.
>>316662125
Lisa has a segmented kind of spread to it's theme.
Most of the time it's just you going from camp to camp meeting dumbasses fucking around in the desert.
But then Buzzo shows up and shit gets dark.
>>316662784
google then go back to tumblr.
>>316662535
What's your GOTY? Mine's TW3.
>>316662818
i guess you know all the hot maymays in town
what a thread
>>316662351
Don't you be making fun of Burgerpants now. Or else you and me are gonna have a little problem.
>>316662351
>Using japanese terms that people who play videogames have become familiar with makes it a meme.
>>316662869
just so happens I do.
>>316661580
show don't tell, give them flaws and try to give each character has a unique 'voice'. don't write them all in your manner of speaking.
>>316662868
Imagine an indie game without a pretentious story, or stupid anime kids like in Xenoblade, or stupid looking anime mechs, or without any DLC or early access, and it's not even 10 dollars.
That is my GOTY.
>>316642524
because toby fox put passion anddeterminationinto his game, meanwhile metal gear solid 12 and fallout 7 are just washed out money grabs by CEOs who want to buy another summer house.
money makes people sort of forget their souls
>>316662932
no but it's referential humor.
did you even read my post? I admit the game isn't full of memes, but does draw heavy inspiration from toby's extensive use of tumblr.
>>316662672
It really isn't.
It's not full of tumblr pandering.
It's not full of furbait.
It does have some internet humor.
Why are you do desperate to try and shit on a game so hard?
If you don't like it, why do you come into these threads? Just to shitpost? To be like, 'here are all of my arbitrary points, now admit that I am right and you are wrong!!'
It's a videogame, man. It's open to the player of the game to decide if they like it or not, the fact you're trying to say 'no, you did not enjoy the game, and if you DID enjoy the game you are a bad person' is just...
It's pathetic, man.
>>316661714
If it was that simple, tons of games would have big casts of characters people fall in love with like they did undertale. It's very hard to write a character that is liked and remembered.
I think the papyrus introduction scene is great in that you can 'get' the character within seconds, but there's also motives, insecurities, and interactions with other characters (sans puns) that make you understand their personality and preferences even more.
It's just a silly scene, but it's efficient, isn't an expository bore, and is amusing. It even has his theme song for it.
>>316661543
Everything his guy said. Especially concerning pacing and introducing new variety. Undertake had consistent introduction of new mechanics (especially with bosses) and events (dating, spears, etc) to keep things fresh while still being cohesive. Each area also has its own theme, purpose, and associated big NPCs and events.
>>316662115
>>316662143
>>316662474
>>316662968
Thank you guys.
>>316663090
I'll accept a free steam key to your game when it's developed as my just thanks.
>>316663025
This
I dont understand why everybody hates Toby Fox when he just fucked off and made the game he wanted to make
>>316663201
Sure buddy, wish me luck
>>316663048
>It's not full of tumblr pandering.
explain all the gay characters, the genderless protagonist, and fucking mettaton then.
>It's not full of furbait.
toby's an admitted furfag who put a lot of anthropomorphic animals in his game, sure looks like furbait to me.
>'no, you did not enjoy the game, and if you DID enjoy the game you are a bad person'
I'm not saying that. what I am saying is
If you like undertale you admit you:
>Browse Tumblr
>Meme every chance you get
>Are a furfag
>Are an ex-Homestuck fan
>>316661824
The point is that a happier game is obviously going to become more popular than an incredibly disturbing game.
All these mother influenced games like OFF, yume Nikki, and LISA have all gone the dark horror route, so undertale going the opposite way seems to have worked in its favour.
>>316663000
That looks pretty damn cool honestly. Reminds me of Gunstar Heroes and Contra, and the music has a kind of Vectorman feel to it. I'll check it out.
>>316663000
So the only game you like is bad rats? Got it.
>>316663305
Mettaton is a reference to glam rock, aka David Bowie, Freddie mercury
The mc is not genderless, its just unspecified because self insert.
There's only 2 gay couples and they're not evident if you don't want to see them
>>316663305
it's a game about one human in a world of monsters, whoopie there are anthropomorphic animals.
the genderless protag is for self insertion of your name to drive the 'Chara = your desire to complete games' point forward.
the gay characters don't introduce themselves like a tumblr blog ("please refer to me as this pronoun, also I am omnisexual"), and therefore I find them fine
>>316663482
>unavoidable is now non-evident.
top kek.
won't even go into mettaton becasue it's been discussed to death, blatant tranny allegory no matter what narrative you tumblrinas wanna push.
the only reason they made the mc a genderless simpsonskin was to be progressive. prove me wrong.
It's better than most games this year because video games are mostly fucking shit. It's still not better than the best games released, though.
>mfw someone got so asshurt at the annotated soundtrack video they made their own without annotations
>>316663025
This is another reason, the game is extremely authentic and representative of the creator's vision. It's a reflection of everything he likes. It doesn't take any compromises, nor does it feel impersonal and anonymous.
That's not for everyone, but the point is, make a game that only you could make.
