Isn't it about time Microsoft stop being so goddamn stubborn and abandon theirnon-standardbutton layout?
nintendofags are the worst
dreamcast setup > ninty
It's in ascending order though. The botom is where you start.
A to B
X to Y
Why do you want them to go backwards OP?
Yup
desu XBOB has the best layout of all controllers and I don't even own a console
also letters > shapes
Xbox and PlayStation are the same.
The xbox button layout is good when the analog lays beneath the buttons
The nintendo layout is good when there isnt an analog
Why didn't Xbox just use their own buttons?
Why take Nintendos and change the position?
>>316569189
No, shapes are way better. What the fuck does a Y stand for? Shit is just confusing. It's like they were like ok A is for accept, B is for back, Y is for.. uh.. whatever just leave it alone.
>>316569013
>Why do you want them to go backwards OP?
Because thats how japan reads their books.
Right to left.
Americans read from left to right.
Microsoft is an american made company, nintendo is a japan made company
>>316569297
>Y is for..
(You). As in, your inventory etc, as least that's how I always looked at it.
>>316569189
shapes are far superior and iconic t.b.h.
>>316569394
Letters are 100x faster to say, and if for some reason you are illiterate the buttons are brightly color coded as well. You cannot argue that the PS layout is better, just accept that you are wrong.
it should be like:
_B
Y_A
_X
Since that's how thumbs fucking work.
>>316569394
>not using numbers
>>316569546
What
>>316569546
Ah the 64 controller
Probably my most favorite layout
>>316568798
remap the buttons bitch, console peasants can also do that now
X belongs on the horizontal axis, while Y belongs on the vertical axis. Xbox has the buttons right.
>>316569672
When you're pressing A the only other button that your thumb can press without leaving A is B. It doesn't make sense to go from A to X. It also doesn't make sense for two actions that are commonly used together to be mapped to A and B on the nintendo layout since that means moving your thumb and using the joint instead of the tip for the second button press. In my scheme A would be jump and B would be attack, or switched, depending on the game.
>>316569843
This. Can't argue with proven science.
>>316568798
>Microsoft stop being so goddamn stubborn and abandon SEGA's non-standard button layout?
Fixed it for you.
>get Shovel Knight for Wii U
>Accept is B
>Back is A
Fucking casuals.
>>316569502
>Letters are 100x faster to say
that's what makes them boring. also, X, O, square and all one syllable.
>>316570115
>mfw people say 'triangle' instead of 'pyramid'
Casuals.
>>316570115
If you find them boring why not use something different like the first letter and the second letter of the alphabet
>>316570115
sonyponies are so delusional
Ever since that one Zabie/XABY puzzle in Chrono Trigger, Nintendo's layout has been the standard for me.
On top of that, I played a lot of Megaman too, so button A has always been "Jump" and B has been "Shoot/Slash" to me.
>>316569297
YieldNEVER SHOULD OF COME HERE
>>316568798
>dual analog sticks become the standard
>buttons still on the front of the controller
>>316570247
nice reading comprehension faam
>>316570259
stay mad retard, the green triangle, red circle, blue X and magenta square will forever be the better design.
>>316570312
I also Zabie whenever I look at a controller
But Megaman X had Dash on A and Jump on B
>>316570368
Fucking this. You've got 6 fucking fingers that sit on the back of the controller not doing shit and they still want you to use your thumbs for both analogs and face buttons.
This it why I love Souls games, the control scheme is fucking god tier with having the attack/defend/parry buttons on the triggers, so you have full control over the camera in combat.
>>316570229
Yes, that two-dimensional shape is most definitely a pyramid.
>>316570574
>falling for jewish propaganda that they teach in maths class
Someone needs to make a console that puts X on the right side so we can finish this mess already.
>>316570493
You're absolutely right! I think my recent marathon of Zero and ZX has made me forget.
Either way, Nintendo's layout has always been manageable.
It took sony and sega to fix controllers. I honestly can't think of a single good nintendo controller. I mean maybe the snes but I havent held that shit in so long. Literally every other one has a significant design flaw or 3 tacked on to it. For being centered around a video game company they sure fucking suck at design
>>316570425
>this is somehow faster to say than 4 letters
>>316570946
why is this even important to you?
The question is why the fuck sony decided to swap X and O outside of Japan
>>316571193
Because theyre smart
>>316571243
>X to confirm
>O to cancel
>smart
>>316569297
X is for... uhh. Well square and triangle stand for... hmm.
>>316572518
That's the point retard, they're symbols and therefore don't stand for anything. Letters are too confusing, shapes are intentionally abstract
>>316572013
Its about thumb placement retard
>>316569297
Haven't you seen Fallout 4? Y is for Why, of course!
>>316569013
Do you read a book bottom to top?
XYZ
ABC
Objectively the best layout.
>>316568798
>AB
>XY
>The first and second letters of the alphabet
>The third-last and second-last letters of the alphabet
Why? Why isn't it ABYZ?
>>316569296
Xbox's controller is based off of Sega's, and unlike Nintendo, Sega actually knew how to properly alphabetize instead of being cheeky and putting things backwards.
>>316572518
>>316572592
The PlayStation button symbols have meaning. When they designed the original controller they specifically used those 4 shapes. You would have to Google the meaning, I don't remember right now
>>316572897
It's because of the Z-trigger on the N64 controller, believe it or not.
>>316572897
Not sure what Nintendo's excuse is, but in Sega's case the controller was ABC, XYZ as seen in this pic >>316572990. Cut the controller down to just 4 buttons, and logically you'd be left with A, B, X, and Y.
>>316568798
If you drew a line from X to B and Y to A on the 360 controller, X would be on the X axis and Y would be on the Y axis.
XBOX controller is clearly superior.
>>316573028
Pen strokes? One, Two, Three, Four strokes for Circle, X, Triangle, and Square?
>>316573029
>It's because of the Z-trigger on the N64 controller, which came out after the SNES controller already used ABXY
>>316572897
Pretty sure it's because they just followed what Sega had done, but as they only had 4 buttons it was AB, XY. Dropping the C and Z.
>>316568798
>not 1,2,3,4Just kidding it's shit and I hate it.
I have a preference for Playstation symbols and if I have the option it's what I prefer, but that's because I pretty much never use a 360 or Nintendo controller but I do playstation controllers.
360 style makes the most sense though.
>>316573097
No.
This is probably wrong, but just an example.
Square means like menu
Triangle means up or something
O was action maybe
And x cancel? Can't remember.
But you get the idea. It actually makes sense when you read their actual meanings
>>316568798
I think A being on the bottom and B on the side is far superior
Like X for confirmation and O for cancel. It's much better. I don't know why Nintendo went with A being on the side.
>>316573313
Master system had 2 button controllers, 6 button genesis controllers weren't out till the 90s.
SNES had 4 buttons for a while before Sega passed them.
All you underage please go
>>316573360
>O was action maybe
>And x cancel? Can't remember.
If I remember it's because O means okay/right in Japanese while X means no/false.
O is basically their check mark.
>>316573097
>>316573028
Circle and "cross" were specifically meant to mean yes and no, respectively, and that's what those buttons generally have been for years in menus in Japanese games (although a lot of localized games have this reversed). Triangle is meant to stand for POV (and it was commonly used as a camera adjustment button or a "view from character's perspective" button) and square, looking like a sheet of paper, indicated menu use (which is did somewhat commonly, although obviously many devs preferred select and start for that sort of thing).
>>316573360
Close!
>>316570115
>kuh-ross, sir-kill, try-anne-gul, squh-air
>single syllable words
I bet you even thought X was "ex" and O "oh" you fag, Sony semen slurping, chump
>>316573508
>which is did somewhat commonly
Thinking about it it feels like more Japanese games use triangle for menus than square. Especially JRPG's.
>>316573536
>kuh-ross, sir-kill, squh-air
what the FUCK am I reading
>>316570368
Because the shoulder buttons don't exist. Oh wait.
>>316569325
/thread
>>316573439
The Mega Drive was out before the SNES and included ABC compared to the SNES AB, I think the underaged is you.
>>316568798
And why did Sony change the back button from triangle to circle? Was triangle being back even an official standard?
>>316573536
You probably don't realize how autistic you look right now.
>>316568798
the fuck?
http://sheekyforums.com/thread/316568798/video-games/isn-t-it-about-time-microsoft-stop-being-so.html
>>316573621
>geometrical figure , geometrical figure , roman letter, roman letter
That makes no sense. It's either all letters, which it obviously isn't, or it's all geometrical figures, thus circle and cross.
>>316573754
>responses that aren't in this thread
>people think they are talking to us
>>316573812
It's based on lines and read from right to left.
Circle is 1 with one line.
X is 2 with two lines.
Triangle is 3 with three lines.
Square is 4 with four lines.
It's the same reason Nintendo controls read right to left. Because they're Japanese.
Sega is the odd one out there.
>>316573076
>>316573076
X axis is horizontal anon. Y axis is vertical.
>>316573619
Yeah, I think the main reason for that is because the left button in the diamond orientation is very easy to reach from the X button, which is in a comfortable resting place for the thumb.
Thinking about it now, I'm actually not sure whether circle or cross sees more use as "accept" in un-localized JRPGs, since those games are extremely menu-heavy.
>>316573812
No I agree, "circle" and "cross" makes much more sense, but that is not how you pronounce ANY of those fucking words. I mean, two syllables on "cross"? The fuck, dude.
>>316573906
Not sure what that has to do with anything.
It doesn't change the fact that they are geometrical figures and not roman letters.
>Triggers/shoulders
>Not L1/2 R1/2
Fucking bumper always confuses me and nintendo can fuck RIGHT off with that Z shit.
>>316573986
you mean...exactly like the xbox and dreamcast controller?
>>316573986
That is what I said, isn't it?
>>316573986
You're supporting her point, anon
>>316573991
>No I agree, "circle" and "cross" makes much more sense, but that is not how you pronounce ANY of those fucking words. I mean, two syllables on "cross"? The fuck, dude.
Ah. Fair enough.
>>316573812
It's maru and batsu, not circle and cross.
>>316569013
>The bottom is where you start
What kind of third world logic is this?
>>316574025
>tfw we will probably keep getting triggers for as long as the standard gamepad type control method is still around
I just don't see the appeal of them. I'll take a normal button over a trigger any day.
>>316574093
Homosex logic.
>>316574121
Gunz
Non analog triggers are goddamn retarded though.
>>316570368
While I think that it could be great for increasing the complexity of some games, I also feel that it would probably also skyrocket the already-high barrier to entry that video games have.
>>316574025
Zr and Zl are better than numbering them.
>>316574065
>her
I may be cute, but I'm no girl, anon.
This has been the standard for Ms since the xbox, maybe even the dreamcast.
Only Nintendo have ever used that as a 'standard' and the gc / wii didn't use those layouts
>>316574276
Apologies, I like to create a gender neutral environment for our female posters by not always assuming anons are male
>>316574273
In what fucking world is that better?
L1/2 and R1/2 are immediately obvious what they are. ZL and ZR makes no goddamn sense at all.
>>316574347
Just say "they," you silly fuck.
>>316573536
good lord you're retarded
>>316574370
1 and 2 gives no indication of which one is where.
With R and Zr you know that Zr will be lower.
>>316574347
Its time to stop posting.
>>316574480
Anyone with half a brain would assume 2 is the lower one.
ZR doesnt make sense, what does Z signify?
>>316574569
Z means trigger.
>>316574347
In English you use male pronouns when you're unsure of somebody's gender.
>>316574347
You do know that in the English language unspecified gender is 'he', right? Look it up, kid.
>>316574624
>Z means trigger
>>316574678
>>316574747
But that is a misogynistic remnant of the ancient patriarchy, and should be replaced
>>316574793
Well good luck with that, so far it hasn't been replaced so use the correct terms, thanks.
>>316574793
It isn't.
He is not exclusively male, she is exclusively female. It's a case of language giving preference to females.
>>316574891
>>316574841
please dont reply to shitposting
>>316574793
less misogynistic and more androcentric
Please, I still get fucked up growing up on PSX, PS2 and Gamecube
>>316574569
Z is back trigger. Therefore ZL and ZR are trigger shoulder buttons.
>>316570513
>6 fingers
How do you hold your controller, anon?
Because counting the shoulder buttons, I only ever have four fingers resting on the back doing nothing.
>>316575127
>>316568798
The xbox layout is the sega standard and x-input standard, which is the standard for master race. Isn't it time nintendo closed up shop and went back to printing playing cards and funded brothels?
>>316576818
Isn't it time you went back into your mother's womb?
>>316574287
>maybe even the dreamcast
Try the Genesis / Mega Drive. They just got rid of the C and Z buttons later since 6-button controllers were getting out of fashion,
I play a 3DS and Xbox 360 and I never noticed the buttons are different. I'm used to the controls on both systems, it's no big deal.
>>316568798
>Y button situated on the x-axis and X button on the y-axis
this really triggered my autism
>>316579446
That's some severe autism.
>>316578151
Isn't it time you grew out of your nintendos, mangirl?
>>316574569
Would you? Would you count up from the ground, as in first floor, second floor, or would you count nearest to farthest, first button, second button?
Both seem logical, so the "any logical person" thing doesn't apply.
>>316568798
they should go with B Y R G
it's literally the best though.
the X and Y labels make sense because they are labelled after the 2D axises they lie on
A is positioned where your thumb rests naturally
nintendo button layout a shit
>>316582907
this this this
Nintendo a shit
Xbox button setup is based off the Americanized Playstation setup, where X is Accept and O is Back which makes no sense when O is universally accepted as YES and X as NO.
Nintendo and Japanese Playstation got it right the first time and anything else is just stupid and backwards.
>>316580170
>mangirl
It's called "shemale".
>>316572897
Because ABXY are the most used letters in algebra.
>>316568798
Blame Sega. MS pretty much copied everything off them.
>>316568798
As more of a Nintendofag, Microsoft's button layout is actually superior.
Makes more sense imo
So many newfags here
The only reason the letters are flipped around is to avoid patent infringement
Nintendo has a fucking patent on that YXBA pattern because patents are fucking dumb
It is the same reason that only Nintendo controllers have decent dpads, because Nintendo has a patent on that cross shaped button
This thread keeps getting posted over and over for no apparent reason and yet not a single person remembers why it's like that
>A B jumps to X Y
Where's C D?
>>316586667
>Where's C D?
In the disk drive
>>316570748
>It took sony and sega to fix controllers. I honestly can't think of a single good nintendo controller.
Funny I can't think of a good Sony or Sega controller.
The Dualshock isn't ergonomic at all and the analogs are too close. The material is also very frail.
The Genesis controllers were terribly shoddy I have about six controllers in my house and they're all broken. This coming from someone who treats their shut well. The dreamcast controller was bulky as hell and on top of that the wire was in the wrong place.
I can't tell you much about the Saturn controller.
Anyway these people can't make good controllers by any means the only people to make comfortable and ergonomic ones are Nintendo, Microsoft after the original xbox and third parties like afterglow. They made a PS3 controller with the analogs in the right place
>>316582907
>using a relational convention when there is no relation implied
All these rule-following underaged math peasants whose teachers thought they were too stupid to understand abstract concepts like variable representation are so persistent. You talk about what "makes sense" but then don't justify. X and Y are arbitrarily used for axis labels, and the labels are only there so that a relationship can be more easily communicated. X and Y on the controller face have no such relationship, so using that reasoning is a non sequitur.
Neither scheme is "right," but since the controller is supposed to facilitate input rather than hinder it, it would be better if the industry would adopt a standard. Nintendo came before Microsoft, so their tampering with convention was annoying because it was just to be different, not better for the players.
