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64, easy.
TTYD was great, but after playing the original (which was after I played TTYD) I realized that TTYD borrowed a lot, and had a lot less content.
64
TTYD feels like you're only meant to play it once.
Because playing it again makes it feel like a chore
TTYD is fucking awful. constant backtracking, ugly sprites, bad jumps, bad enemies, ugly waifus, no boo, and the fucking don piantata side-plot is among the worst inario game. any m
TTYD
More content, better content, best chapters in the series.
Boggly Woods was shit, but Glitz Pit is THE single greatest part of any Paper Mario game. Higher highs, lower lows.
>>316523105
Your taste is as impeccable as your typing ability.
PM64
Feels a bit more like a proper RPG since every chapter is dungeon-y. Also has the best fucking Bowser Castle in any Mario game period.
I like them both a lot, almost equally. It's tough to say
TTYD was magical. It did everything the first one did, but better.
Contrarians: The Thread
TTYD is literally 64 but better in every concievable way.
>>316523367
Best Bowser Castle, best Toad Town, second best Peach's castle environment after SM64. Paper Mario just felt like a wonderful journey through parts of the mushroom kingdom we'd never been allowed to see before. I'll always love it the most.
Has anyone actually played through them recently? I'm replaying TTYD and it's waaaay more annoying than I remember. It's nothing but backtracking for most of the chapters. In the Twilight Town chapter, you literally go from the town to the steeple, back to the town, back to the steeple, back to the town, back to the steeple, back to the town, then finally back to the steeple for the final boss. And you have to either fight or dodge the enemies in the path to and back. The levels are all so small, but they make you run through them so many times that it takes longer than it should.
choose one
>>316523734
Vivian, that one flash turned me off from Bow forever. You know the one.
First time thru TTYD, replaying thru the two, 64
TTYD has better characters and combat, but 64 has better level design and pacing.
>>316523828
>implying the Boo Sisters wasn't the best scene
both games are 10/10s. enough already.
>>316523659
I'm replaying it right now as well and yeah, you're right in it being a ton of annoying backtracking.
Well?
>>316524386
Dooliss
>>316524386
Dickpiss
64
ttyd is pretty much just the same thing, takes alot of the same ideas and plot points but waters them down or simply just changes the backdrop. also ttyd backtracking and linearity is just mind numbing at times
i mean i like ttyd but some of the backtracking is abysmal at times.
>>316523457
>>316523493
you guys have no concept of game design if you honestly believe that
>>316522176
Do I have to?
>>316524386
Dickless
>>316524386
Slick
>>316522176
Paper Mario 64. I wanted to like TTYD more, but there is too much shit in it.
Paper Mario 64 is an easy game, but it has better levels, better music, a better story, better atmosphere, and better combat mechanics.
They need to do a new Paper Mario game for the Wii U and make it similar to TTYD - Except actually do it right. I liked many of the concepts from TTYD, like the way you could make Mario slip through cracks, roll himself up, turn into an airplane, etc. but these things deserve to be in a better game than TTYD.
>>316524386
Mario
>>316524547
Say what you will about the overworld design but TTYD's battling is much better in my opinion. Having separate health pools between Mario and his Partner allows for longer, more challenging battles, as well as differentiating partners from one another more. Super counters award skilled players. The tattle log is also a welcome addition.
>>316523116
>Boggly Woods was shit, but Glitz Pit is THE single greatest part of any Paper Mario game
They were both shit.
The Glitz Pit is just "do 20 fights". But baby Yoshi is one of the coolest partners so meeting him in that chapter made the boring shit a little more tolerable.
>>316524848
Shitz Pit was top tier on first playthroughs, but as you said gets stale any other time.
Boggly Woods is underrated.
>>316523659
>Has anyone actually played through them recently?
I did my first playthrough of TTYD a year or so ago. I really liked it then I played Paper Mario 64 and I found it better in every way. To the point that I won't even bother with TTYD again.
>>316524547
And you do, right? That's why you're here on /v/ discussing 10+ plus year old games, instead of doing anything productive with your recondite knowledge on game design.
All of us are just benighted fools when compared to you, are we not?
>>316524547
Not him but TTYD is better in certain areas. The battle system is improved for one and the game is also more challenging than 64 (although still easy) since the game throws harder enemies at you sooner in the game. And the graphics of course, are much better as everything is smoother and TTYD had the perfect balance with the paper aesthetic, incorporating paper into the scenery and moves but not going overkill like Sticker Star did where paper is the only quality to everything.
I will agree though, 64 has better level design, better chapters, and doesn't rely on backtracking so much like TTYD.
>>316524942
>boggly woods is underrated
my nigga, that area has unsurpassed atmosphereworst partner in the game though
>>316524942
>>316524848
>Bad taste
This thread in general is shit taste central, probably because the Euros just got home. I've played through Glitz Pit probably over 10 times by now, and I still love the hell out of it. Greatest chapter of all time.
>>316525104
>>316524771
yeah the battle system is better in ttyd
>>316525076
if you dont want your feelings hurt, dont spout shit like "omg its better in EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY!!!!" when its clearly not
>>316524386
DooPliss
http://strawpoll.me/5999194
>>316522550
TTYD does have one massive plus for replayability in that it's far far better at allowing challenge runs.
>>316525364
Your conjecture is not fact.
>>316522176
Scientific facts right here
>>316524386
>couldn't skip half the chapter by just entering his name if you already knew it
Missed opportunity.
>>316522176
The first one. As much better TTYD battles system is, the rest of the game is an asshole to navigate. The sewers suck, you're too slow, your Yoshi is really bad (i get that he's a baby, but come on, let him grow up and become useful) and you can't even go through pipes or doors with him.
>>316525752
I don't even remember half of these and I played all the games except DT. What is show time?
>>316526039
>didn't like shadow town
fuck yourself with a rusty pitchfork
>>316526260
Bowser's Inside Story final boss
>>316526272
You only liked it because you have a boner for Vivian. That area is a dick.
>>316525909
yes man, its a fact that ttyd has terrible backtracking issues and rehashed plot points and areas from 64. there is no denying it, it is a fact. please, grow up, this will also be the last time i respond to you.
>>316526272
It has the most egregious back tracking in any video game I've ever seen and for literally no purpose other than to waste your time. Fuck that chapter, it is single-handedly TTYD's biggest flaw. Whenever I replay the game I just stop after the Glitz Pit because there is no point in going further
>>316526272
the atmosphere, story, and characters are all amazing. The backtracking is seriously lowest part of the game
64
Ttyd has chapter 2, chapter 3 on repeat plays, and the first half of chapter 4
64 has no bad chapters. Some call flower fields tedious but it's nothing compared to those chapters in ttyd
Both fantastic though
>>316526178
Serious question, how difficult would it be to patch the game so that you don't have to find the "p" underneath the mansion? Seems like it'd be a relatively simply solution, but then again I know absolutely nothing about modding gamecube games.
I'd like to see a remake of SM RPG with Paper Mario's graphical style and influences on the battle system.
>>316526039
>thinks Palace of Shadow > Bowser's Castle
Objectively wrong
>>316527018
This.
The endgame in PM64 is objectively GOAT.
>that final segment in Peach's castle with the dim lighting, koopa guards patrolling, and ominous music
Fucking dope
>>316526792
Would probably be easier to just move the P item to a different location.
>>316525143
>"Do 20 fights" is better than the train chapter
>It's better than the toybox in Paper Mario 64
>It's better than Mt. Lavalava in Paper Mario 64
Ok anon.
>>316527018
>>316527151
As someone who strongly prefers Paper Mario 64, I have to disagree with this. TTYD's final boss was more challenging. It was such an intense fight for me. And I found Bowser's Castle to be very repetitive, easy, and boring. It is one of my only disliked parts in the game.
I personally liked the aesthetic and world of PM64 more, and I've found myself replaying it more often (Danger Mario, Partner's Only, No Partners, etc).
However TTYD is also a stellar game. SPM had the potential to be great if it kept its plot but used gameplay from 64 and TTYD. SS kinda just shit the bed entirely, aside from the music at times.
>>316523659
The experience of Twilight Town is still pretty good the first time around, the novelty of the gimmicks, as well as the mystery and atmosphere manages to carry it.
But yeah, it's much more of a chore on a replay.
I just want to say that that SPM is an abomination. Like, what the fuck. It's a sluggish platformer for babbies without the charm of the older games. It's all about the villians and your fucking fairy. Occasionally the game throws you some witty dialogue, like in the middle of the Sammer's Kingdom, but that place, and the entire game, is such a chore.
>>316528312
I got to chapter 7 or 8 and I actually stopped playing.
n64 has the best overworld, pacing and Bowser PlotUntil Paper Jam
TTYD has the best gameplay and most unique areas
SPM has the best writing and story telling
Sticker Star has the best Puzzles
>>316522176
both are incredibly good but i can't say ttyd isn't my favorite
better mechanics, more badges, better badges, better story, etc.
64 does a few things better, though
while i don't think either game is too linear, 64 gives much more of an open feel, because the world feels like a single coherent entity (barring flower fields, but that was a kinda shit chapter anyways)
ttyd just gives you the warp pipes and kinda tries to fill the void with the blimp, train, and ship rides (all of which reach their destinations far slower than warp pipes, which is especially bad when there's no glitzville pipe)
outside of that the biggest thing it has over ttyd is not having flurrie
>>316528793
Ttyd areas more unique than 64 or SPM? Hell no
>>316523734
The one that's female.
>>316523734
Lady Bow is objectively the correct answer.
>>316529318
Why does everyone shit on Flurrie? I played the game years ago and never gave her a second thought, yet I keep seeing people talk about her like she's the plague. You barely even notice she's there if you just don't use her in battle, what gives?
>>316529698
I don't mind her myself, but I guess with other waifus like Goombella, Vivian and Ms. Mowz, Flurrie is just some gross tiddy monster to them.
>>316529698
She just has a very ugly "brothel madam" look and feel to her. It's the type of character most people would not be attracted to.
>>316529945Am I the only one who didn't see Paper Mario as a waifu thing ever?
>>316530162
I would say most people didn't even think about it on their first playthrough.
>>316529698
when you decide character quality by how much you want to bone them she doesn't rank very high
>>316524024
This.
64 is the better game overall.
>>316530162
Ms. Mowz and Vivian made me feel funny when I first played it at age 10 if that means anything.
>>316530162
I find most of the female characters(and Vivian) to be cute, but not things I'd want to fuck.
Official Mario RPG power ranking:
64>TTYD=SSS>SMRPG>BIS>SPM>DT>PIT>>>>>>>Sticker Star
![magical_hands_by_teckworks-d5ddan8[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/dO52P4A.png "magical_hands_by_teckworks-d5ddan8[1].png")
>>316531039
these, on the other hand...
>>316529698
You gotta go through a bunch of tedious backtracking to get a boring/ugly partner, like digging up buried treasure and finding nothing inside. Even if she isn't bad, she represents a wasted slot in the game for something better.
I played both recently.
64 has a charm that I cant really explain.
>>316531101
> SSS>SMRPG
>use food item in Paper Mario 64
>Mario eats/drinks it
>use food item in TTYD
>Mario just holds it above his head
64 confirmed superior
>>316522369
this guy gets it
people here just aren't old enough to have played the 64 one during its time to appreciate it as its own game
>>316531101
IMO 64 and SMRPG are the best, the rest don't even register on my radar.
TTYD.
Paper Mario is good, but its sequel just refined everything that it did and with a longer, more original storyline.
It's one of the few times you can say the sequel improved on every facet of the first game.
Also, the fact of the matter is that game also happened to guest star my favorite Mario character,RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
>>316531385
>Pm64: 2001
>TTYD: 2004
not really much of a gap
>>316531101
>PiT that low
Can we please end this meme
>>316523659
I'm replaying it too, but it doesn't really feel like much of a chore to me.
Then again, that's probably due to a combination of nostalgia and the fact that I'm also playing the NES version of Final Fantasy 1.
>>316531284
Superstar Saga's combat and gameplay was more fluid and streamlined.
>>316529698
just play chapter 2
things should become clear after that
>>316530162
i've never really been the sort either
at the risk of drawing out frogposters i don't really care much for the whole "waifu" thing at all
>>316531385
us 90's kids right
>>316531423did you eat either of the cakes?
>>316522369
how does TTYD have less content?
>>316531101
Official Pre-Millennial Power Rankings:
SMRPG > 64 > TTYD > SSS > SPM
the rest never happened
>>316530162
for TTYD
When I played it when it came out, I thought Vivian was sweet.
On a replay, I found myself really liking Goombella.
So it's pretty waifutastic.
I'm well overdue for a 64 replay, I don't even remember if I actually played the whole thing through.
>>316531880
It doesn't have less content, but you can tell by the way some chapters are designed that they tried to make them really cost effectively. Like Chapter 3 just being a fighting tournament, Chapter 4 having a ton of backtracking and most of Chapter 6 taking place on one train.
Maybe they had a tight deadline or small budget or something.
>>316531389
>not counting SSS
>>316531628
I've replayed chapter 2 many times, it is easily the 2nd worst chapter behind 4, and is pretty weak in general though. I don't attribute any of that to Flurrie though, if anything it's the Punnies' fault.
The point that a better character could have saved the chapter is a reasonable one, but it being bad has nothing to do with her, she just did nothing to help it.
>>316531628
No?
I don't even remember what you're talking about. I'm going to replay the game one of these days when I rebuy a Wii u and it goes live on the eShop. So don't spoil it for me.All I remember is Yoshi changing colors and turning off the game until I got a black one.
>Cortez eats the audience's souls and gets off scot-free
>>316531362
I was about to call BS but then I wasn't sure. I remember Mario holding it above his head and then eating/drinking it in TTYD, but I can't find any videos where people use an edible item.
>>316531362
>Implying paper needs/can eat or drink
>>316532550
what are they gonna do? kill him?
>>316532836
At least not make friends with him?
>>316531101
Put PiT above BiS and you've got an objectively accurate list
>>316532550
the past is the past, the important thing is that he becomes a nice guy
>>316532550
Is there anyway to get their souls back like you could get Hooktail to spit out the audience members she eats?
>>316532909
if tubba blubba has taught us anything (besides cut out your own heart to become invincible), it's that eating somebody's soul is just not that big a deal
>>316533127
I think you can kill Cortez from a high enough HP so that he never gets the chance.
>>316532793
>implying a paper fella can't enjoy a paper meal every now and then
>>316526338
Actually it happens with every fight as Bowser. But damn that was climactic.
Lets break the argument down, shall we?
Prologue: A Plea from the Stars = A Rogue's Welcome
1: Storming Koopa Bros. Fortress<Castle and Dragon
2: The Mystery of Dry, Dry Ruins>>>The Great Boggly Tree
3.The "Invincible" Tubba Blubba<<Of Glitz and Glory
4: Trials in the Toy Box>For Pigs the Bell Tolls
5: Hot, Hot Times on Lavalava Island=The Key to Pirates
6: Dark Days in Flower Fields<<3 Days of Excess
7: A Star Spirit on Ice>Mario Shoots the Moon
8: A Star-Powered Showdown!=The Thousand-Year Door
Post game content goes to TTYD
I personally think that 64 is better, even though TTYD has the best chapter (3)
The first because im a nostalgia baby.
Second was superior in every way but partners
>>316533478
the best part was that bowser himself was like "damn, this is climactic. good job man, way to villain"
>>316533540
I prefer Kolorado's Autistic Expedition over Flavio's, but I agree with the rest.
>>316533808
I hated looking at that damn eyesore, Flavio.
>>316532312
I've honestly never even played it. I might check it out sometime because I've heard it's the best M&L game, but I didn't like Bowser's Inside Story.
>>316522176
ttyd, better fights, bosses, story, atmosphere, and world
>>316534070
People only praise BiS because of Bowser. The gameplay and world is weaker than SSS
>>316534070
The game is incredibly good at drawing you in and is constantly fununtil the desert and theater happen.
https://youtu.be/VOC0ig2Rk1g
TTYD because to BP cap and vivian. Lady bow is better but we gotta make sacrifices
>>316534220
You say that, but the Bowser sections are damn strong.
Also, I found the final boss of SSS to be pretty underwhelming. Fun Metroid escape though.
>>316534378
Superstar Saga's normal battle theme was dangerously catchy.
>>316526039
>Thinking the Moon is on the same level as Crystal Palace
Fucking kill yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHBb0z9584w
>>316534461
>Metroid escape
Alright now I have to go play this game.
>>316524124
source? this sounds very emotional
>>316534378https://youtu.be/dtYlbZVVSTA?t=13m12s
>>316534825
>IT'S BACK
>>316534729
TTYD chapter 7 needed more to Fahr outpost.
>>316534825
FUCKING YESSSSS
>>316524771
64's victory music and animation was 100x better though.
>>316534825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPrQ6D3M6Gg
I really can't understand why people like Glitz Pitz so much. I mean the wrestling theme is amusing but not GOD TIER CHAPTER OF THE YEAR ALL YEARS 100/10 worthy.
>>316535810
I can think of about 10 chapters better than the Glitz Pit
>>316534461
>I found the final boss of SSS to be pretty underwhelming
What the unholy fuck? Shit gets ridiculously intense halfway through. Hell, even the first part wasn't bad, with all the fire and blocks popping up to keep you from jumping. Unlike most jobbers in Mario, bitch was legitimately trying to kill you pulling out all the stops
>>316532169
oh okay I see
>>316535576
Actually 64's music is better than TTYD's overall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to6cVeHBxnU
>>316522176
BiS.
>>316537186
It wasn't. I loved PM's dissonant MIDIs and its superior Peach theme but it really, really wasn't. Just compare the most commonly visited locations, Rogueport and Toad Town. Night and fucking day.
>>316537948
I like Toad Town and all its little variations more than Rogueport's theme.
>>316537186
Aw yeah son.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq-FeJ0scXQ
>>316536162
The bosses are the easiest in the series second to only BiS unless we are talking about the game's extras.
Dream Team's bosses were fucking ridiculous. They each had like 5-15 different attacks.
>>316522176
TTYDbecause it's the one I played first
>>316537186
>>316538710
u fukn wot m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xxgqbghlVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYwcHDAcxVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvug9_xljlY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU__2jFQ5EY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpMWyQIecZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDue183YvpA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zZtBuZ1uI464 is damn good too, i love gusty gulch adventure
>>316526039
3 for TTYD istoo low
I absolutely adore 64 and TTYD, is SS a bad game, or does it simply not hold up to the first two?
>>316535810
Because it's so much goddamn fun. I love playing through the entire chapter on a lazy weekend afternoon when it's snowing outside, with mywifeon my lap. Cozy as fuck.
>>316539908
yo man you gotta throw a little macho grubba in there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqioVJwepc4
>>316540464
man I fucked up that aint the battle theme, that's the lead up cutscene theme
>>316540190There actually are moments in SS that are decent, such as the Boo Mansion.
It doesn't match up at all to the first two PM games, though.
Don't mind me, just being the best side antagonist.
I have good memories from both games but I think Thousand Year Door was best. The original style they were going for came across perfectly in TTYD. Sure, 64 has its charm. But TTYD improves on most if not all mechanics set by 64, along with that style.super paper mario is also better than 64.
A local store has TTYD for $30, should I get it?
>>316540817
Kill urself my man
>>316540919
probably yeah, they might be worth a lot more later, thus cost even more.
or wait for an eshop release for $15 or $20 idk
>>316522176
Super.If it weren't so fucking easy.
>>316541040
You forgot to add the price of a brand new NX console
>>316540190
The story is nonexistent. "Peach kidnaps Bowser" with zero depth, no charm, and nothing else going on at all.
Bowser gets no dialogue. Enjoy Bowser Jr instead!
The combat is pretty much pointless
All the locations are NSMB stuff, and there's an overworld map connecting them.
It's mostly puzzles and sticker collecting. Puzzles are either brainded easy, or cryptic pixel hunts.
No uniqe characters at all, even the Toads Koopas anc Goombas are all basic and identical with no individuality or personality.
Writing is full of paper puns
OST is good.
>>316541117
Reminder that Bowser and Dimentio are the only characters who fucking literally murdered Mario.
THE OFFICIAL DEFINITIVE MARIO RPG POWER RANKING
>Must play
Paper Mario
TTYD
M&L1
SMRPG
>Great tier
M&L3
M&L4
>Good but clumsy tier
M&L2
SPM
>Love it or hate it, most will hate it tier
Sticker Star
Possibly Paper Jam?
>>316540919
Pretty sure they're more expensive than that online, so yes, buy it.
>>316541241
Dimention is the best Mario character, prove me wrong.
>>316541243
Objective fact.
>>316541243
>ranking Paper Jam before it's even out
Absolutely disgusting anon. I'm not even a fan of the M&L games, I'm more of a SMRPG and Paper Mario fan. But I'm gonna give it a chance before I judge.
>>316541243
move M&L2 up one and M&L4 down one and I can agree.
>>316541353
Ludwig exists
>>316541423
He said possibly. Based on what we've seen it's shaping up to be that way.
>>316541243
damn solid list anon
>>316541423
>not a single new character shown yet, which is already worse than Sticker Star's case
>extremely basic premise for a M&L game
Gameplay looks 10/10 however. I already see people either loving or hating how it looks. It's probably not going to change after release, unless the game has a fuckhuge surprise that redeems the lack of originality.
>>316541461
M&L4 had better gameplay than M&L3 but the pacing is off, so I'd say it's about the same tier
M&L2 is extremely linear with not a single sidequest. It's not bad but it's not even a fourth of what M&L1 was.
>>316541756
But the shroobs are so cute.
>>316541243
>>316541461
>>316541756
The lack of PiT love this thread is disgusting. Best Bros Attacks in the entire series, hands down. Shroobs are fucking awesome too. I'll take PiT over BiS or DT any day, no question
>>316541929
yfwtheir dialogue actually made sense
it was basically japanese with different symbols
there is a file in the rom that even has a table for it, i believe, although one Shroob letter corresponds to one latin letter, so it's probably more accurate to say it's romaji Japanese
>>316542110
>any M&L having better Bros. Attacks than the first game
kill urself my man
>>316542110
Man I love M&L2
It's just not on the same scale as the three other games at all, and it was clearly a GBA game that was ported to the DS and rushed out to have a Mario game on it that's not Mario Kart
>>316540817
The only parts of that awful game I enjoyed were the ones with Francis.
All the 3 first M&L are fucking brilliant and none is better than the other. It's a perfect trilogy.
>>316542284
They tweak the simplest items, like the shell, and make it even better by letting you get extra damage in if you were good enough. It's an objective improvement. Throw in shit like the trampoline where you have to react super fast and your hand is flying all over the face buttons, it's awesome
>>316542319
If we're talking scale, then PiT feels the biggest. It has you traversing time to stop a complete invasion of the entire planet. The final boss fight is bigger in scope than even BiS
>>316537186
>>316538710
I liked both OSTs a lot, but when replaying them this past summer, I kind of agree that N64 has better music overall.
I really liked this theme more than I should have: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTZb7bRdB9s
>>316541353
Luigi exists.
>>316522176
TTYD next question.
>>316541461
>>316542110
I don't hate PiT but it absolutely deserves that position if not lower. Those HP sponge encounters and tedious fucking dungeons were mind-numbing. And everything that wasn't Peach's Castle felt like a dungeon, the overworld was crap. No sense of connectivity and not enough to explore.
Music and atmosphere were excellent though, and I adored the bosses. Also I loved racking up 600 damage a turn with Bros. Items.
>>316542819
ma nigga
>>316542869
Can't hate the man in Green.
>>316542665
I guess it's personal preference but I really don't like how from PiT onwards, the Bros. Attacks just feel like little mini-games. In SSS, the Bros Attacks were more advanced and harder timed hits. It complimented and enhanced the battle system perfectly.
SSS would be my perfect Mario RPG if I didn't love and have nostalgia for the first two PM games more.
>>316540817
>has Count Bleck and Dimentio
>people don't think it's the best Paper gameIt's actually my favorite game of all times.
>>316542957
Why does Luigi never use his Lightning powers outside of SSS?
>>316542856
Why do you have shit taste?
>>316543119Universal resets gift each Mario and Luigi with different powers/abilities, which is why they're doctors in one universe but plumbers in another
What stat did you give your bonus to and why is itSTACHE?
>>316542319
>clearly a GBA game that was ported to the DS
How? PiT is built for the DS, the game couldn't be played on a GBA at all. Try to imagine what it would look like with without the X and Y buttons or the second screen
>>316543340
EVERYTHING INTO STACHE
>>316543415
I doubt he's actually played the game.
>>316543340
I went with extremes for each character. For mario, I only increased speed and power, as well as giving him huge power and mushroom overalls with like 300 mushrooms in my inventory.
For luigi I focused on defense and health, he barely took damage from anything but was shite at dealing it, so he became a healer/tank.
With this set up I killed the final boss in about 4 turns, it was supremely broken.
>>316543594
>huge power
not sure why I said that, I meant to say I gave him whichever of e gadd's gadgets doubles the damage you give and receive
>>316543594
I always wondered if this tactic actually worked or was viable at all, are you saying it's stronger than balancing?
>>316543214
Do I even have to say it?
>>316543684
HUGE POWER
GIVING HIM HUGE POWER
>>316543709
Focusing on a specific stat in RPGs is usually always stronger than balancing if you know what you're doing.
>>316543709
Well of course it's probably only effective if you've played the game a couple times and know the attack patterns well, if you spend every turn reviving mario with luigi it's not worth much of anything.
>>316543734
Do you?
I'd love to minmax but I can't bring myself to pick from a wheel of 1s and 2s when other stats have pools of 4s and 5s
>>316544089
>I'm not the only one
ONLY GOOD BUILD IS A VALUE BUILD
>>316522176
TTYD, easy. The charm is just off the charts.
>>316543884
DEEPEST
>people seriously arguing that For Pigs the Bell Tolls wasn't the best chapter
fuck right off
vivian a best
doo_liss a best
doo_liss' theme a best
>>316543884
JUST A
>>316544789
you just listed the only good things about the chapter, which make up a tiny portion of it
>>316522176
TTYD no question. Way better game
>>316544789
Denial is an amazing thing
>>316544789
I can list three things off my favorite chapter, too.
>trains
>sleuth mystery atmosphere
>jr troopa cameo
>>316544789
It was incredible. I don't get how the Creepy Steeple run somehow makes Chapter 4 the worst but the Glitz Pit grind gets a free pass, they're both absolutely stellar chapters with some flaws in the execution
>>316544789
>>316545207
Both the Glitz Pit and Twilight Town are only spectacular on the first playthrough. Someone said it perfectly earlier, TTYD really slogs on repeat playthroughs.
>>316526039
I'd keep SPM's chapters all on the same line, but move it up one space.
>>316545104
>>316544889
would you rather i write a tl;dr no one is actually going to read and then be called autistic for gushing about my favourite chapter
>>316545090
i know, isn't it? crazy you're so far up that egyptian river
>>316545340
i disagree. i've completed TTYD at least 3 times
>>316524386
>>316524386
Pisslood
>>316543340
>it's a +1 bonus
>>316545540
>>316524386
Jewpiss
>>316540817
Speaking of SPM I started it a while agobefore going to play TTYD instead once I got it to workbut I don't quite understand why they went with the digital/pixel theme in something called Paper Mario. It felt really strange.
>only beat TTYD once
What happens if you tell you-know-who his name before you're supposed to know it?
>>316546065
You literally cannot without getting the P
>>316546065
You can't, the p is missing.
>>316546065
You can't. It's literally imossible to ush a certain key to ronounce his name the first time around.
>>316546065
You can't, the game is missing the letter P. That's why we keep making jokes.
That' also the reason why the chapter is hot garbage
>>316541353
>The days where people could peacefully talk about both games will never come back
>>316548414
This thread has been pretty civil for the most part, in terms of comparing the two.
It's the whole best chapter thing that's getting everyone mad64's was Chapter 7.
>>316548414
>>316548571
Actually I have to say the Mario RPG community as a whole is pretty decent. I've never seen much fighting, just differences of opinion.
I mean compare this thread and other Mario RPG threads to Zelda fans and Metroid fans for example.
>>316548414
the thread started with "choose one", only slightly less subtle cue for shitflinging than "x is the best, prove me wrongyou can't"
yet it still turned out pretty decent
>>316548414
What's not peaceful about this thread? It's just people sharing their different opinions.
>>316548779
>implying people aren't allowed to choose one
>implying it's somehow not natural or wrong to prefer one over the other / voice your opinion about it
I choose NONE because Nintendo is a scum company that censors it's games.
>>316534378
I swear to god I think that gif should just naturally play the superstar saga battle music at this point. They are never less than two inches away at all times.
>>316548836
I hadn't read far enough yet. I saw a "PICK ONE!" OP and saw some bickering at the start so I assumed it was like most other Paper Mario threads of late until I read farther. It's fine, one of the better ones in some time.
>>316522176
64 all the way, TTYD was good and all, but the first one just can't be matched.
>People still pretend BIS isnt the better game than SSS
Enjoy your Mario and Luigi tutorial clones
>>316549334
It also works for the battle themes of PM64, SMRPG, and TTYD to a lesser extent.
>>316549420
Enjoy your shitty 2D vorefest
>replaying TTYD
>reminded there's a sectioin where Peach literally walks around 100% nude
Pretty lewd.
>>316549567
They really lewded up Peach in TTYD. It's awesome.
I think they're both equal but I like TTYD more because I played it first.
>>316549498
Enjoy your shitty and bland Bean reskin
>>316549648
>implying censorship-happy Nintendo would ever let you see a legit lewd Peach.
>>316550445
This was in 2004. NoA was better then.They were never good, but they were a hell of a lot better than they are now.
>>316550445
I don't think Nintendo is the kind of company that does visibly naked women.
TTYD HAD MORE UNIQUE THEMES
BUT 64 HAD THE BETTER OVERWORLD
SPM HAD THE BETTER WRITING
AND STICKER STAR HAD THE BEST PUZZLES
SSS IS ONLY LIKED BECAUSE ITS THE FIRST GAME
BIS IS THE SUPERIOR
PIT IS STILL GOOD
DT IS FUCKING FANTASTIC WITH HIGH AS FUCK QUALITY AND REPLAY
Paper Jam's gonna be fucking fantastic as well
Those fucking germans already got the game
>>316549648
>peach takes off dress to shower
>PUTS THE SAME FUCKING DRESS ON RIGHT AFTER
why even shower in the first place you disgusting ho
>>316540817
>Super Paper Mario being better than 64
Please drink bleach before you go to bed, tonight.
>>316549648
TTYD was the best, it's a Mario game where you can pop behind the counter of a Yakuza owned casino and pester the cat eared hostess for elaborate details about her personal life
>>316541461
Correct choice, anon.
>>316541243
>Possibly Paper Jam
There's literally nothing wrong with Paper Jam
They wanted a Bowser focused Plot without any third party interfering bullshit, and making it the Paper Mario World as the gimmick was the best case scenario
>>316550754
>SSS IS ONLY LIKED BECAUSE ITS THE FIRST GAME
no way
bowser's inside story is way too fucking short and superstar saga's length is legendary
the rpg mechanics in superstar saga are way better too, so SSS is both better and longer
i don't understand the boner people have for bowser's inside story honestly
