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>"It's okay to censor games as long as it doesn't affect the gameplay or story!"
Why are these people allowed to play videogames?
Reminder that Fatal Frame's censorship did in fact affect the story.
>>316517849
How so?
There's a difference between censoring needed dialogue for shits and giggles and censoring a swim suit
>>316517948
Gravure photoshoot, that were suppose to be a backstory of a character, were altered.
The character outfit were changed and they removed the camera frame.
>>316518203
There's also a differences between censoring things to meet the rating and censoring things just because you can.
>>316518226
Okay, and the voice over that outlines her unhappiness about modelling didn't get the story across?
>>316517948
One of the character's whose outfit was censored was an AV model (basically softest possible core porn) before the game began. There's a scene in the game in which she's slutting around in the lingerie outfit while people are taking pictures of her. During this scene she has an internal monologue that explains a lot about her character, involving both self and outward hatred. This scene still exists, but with the censored outfit and dialogue comes off as silly and non serious in the English version.
>>316518372
They took a very serious scene and made it into a joke. No, the modified scene does not get the story across appropriately.
>>316518518
I disagree.
>>316518372
Oh its you again!
And no, it didn't get the story across since the dialogue is rather vague and the scene shot doesn't make a single fucking sense.
>>316518615
Haven't brought this up in a PZ thread before, you're mistaken.
>>316518391
Well I've never read in to the translation differences and I knew that Miu was unhappy about being forced in to modelling from what was stated in game, exactly what you're saying here. I therefore didn't miss any of the story.
Mountains out of molehills.
>>316518803
>Haven't brought this up in a PZ thread before, you're mistaken.
Nope, you pretend to ask 'what have been changed' when you fucking know exactly what that guy mean.
You are essentially baiting him and already have the same broken reply in your head to type it out.
> I knew that Miu was unhappy about being forced in to modelling from what was stated in game
No, it was never stated in the fucking game.
You are the same guy who made the stupid argument 'but you know about it in the end, so it doesn't matter', and that is a shitty, baseless one.
That scene were meant to show off the character in the most shameful way, to give it the upmost impact of what the character is referring.
None of the dialogue in the game ever refer it directly, it was vaguely referenced and altering the visual aspect of the scene made the reference more vague.
Wasn't the removed costume from Fatal Frame actually story-relevant?
>>316517385
Because they have video games to play, instead of being 100% anti-censorship.
I am the same. I care about censorship being bad, but I care about playing video games more.
>>316519532
No, not really.
To be honest I wouldn't mind if they remove the bonus costume, but altering a scene? That is too far.
Not to mention its a goddam mature title, they have absolutely no reason to remove it aside from self righteousness.
>>316519685
You should actually care.
The game were censored because it doesn't fit a political view of the person behind it rather than it being done to fit the rating or anything sensible like that.
Somebody, actually, censored an aspect of a game, because THEY CAN.
>>316517385
>It's okay to cut the gameplay, it's just hindering the story's progress
>It's okay to cut NPC dialogue and funny cutscenes, it's not essential for the main arc
>but you'll still have to pay sixty bucks for it, okay?
JUST
The only real reason this whole "removing shit" thing pisses me off so much is because they had literally zero problem bringing over Bayonetta and funding Bayonetta 2 just a year or so ago. They're being hypocrites and considering both FF and XCX are pretty niche titles they're pissing off a decently sized portion of a not-so-decently sized fanbase.
I wouldn't say that removing a costume will cause Fatal Frame to bomb, but I do think it'll have a serious negative impact on the game's sales both at launch and in the long run. There's a venn-diagram of people that like niche games and people that refuse to buy games that are censored and the overlap is not small.
>>316517849
But vidya with excessive story is actual cancer. Keep your politics to your self
This game literally won't be more marketable than it already was no matter what they do, it can only become less appealing to people
>>316520230
Nintendo have no rights over Bayonetta anon.
Which is why NoA can't touch it, in similar way why NoA can't touch Devil's Third.
NoA can butcher and alter first party title, but they can't touch anything else.
>>316520305
>they're actually doing you a FAVOR, guys! less content for the same price is actually better!
>>316520450
They still funded the game and even actively told Platinum to make the Link costume more revealing since it fit Bayo's character more that way.
>>316520575
Thats NoJ, not NoA anon.
>>316520451
>Story
>Content
I'm too old for this hobby
>>316520685
As it has been ever since objective, motivation and narrative existed in video games.
>>316520685
>this part of the game doesn't count because I say so!
whatever floats your boat, fuccboi
>>316517385
>it doesn't effect the gameplay or story
Leads to
>>316518803
>it barely effects the story
Soon
>it's only a minor gameplay feature missingI'm looking at you Fates
>that character wasn't even important to the story
>those chapters sucked anyway
>>316520448
Modern localization isn't about making a game "more marketable". They've had their sales hurt more by censorship than helped.
It's about "fixing icky foreign shit to make it suit my personal morals".
>>316519223
Not him, but the game makes it clear she's unhappy with modeling even without the fapbait costume (women model in stuff other than lingerie you know). It didn't negatively impact the story at all, just your ability to whack it to the game.
>>316517385
If it doesn't affect the story, why bother censoring it?.
>>316520448
>try making niche game reach general AAA audiences
>general AAA audiences aren't even into non-AAA games, much less weebshit
>now it doesn't even fully cater to its niche audience anymore, since part of what made it niche in the first place has been sanitized
oops
>>316521512
Because censorship is a good thing, the last thing this world needs is more rape culture propagated by the japanese video game patriarchs.
Thanks to this censorship i'm going to go out and buy a nintendo or two and all the games. If you don't like it, too bad.
Sony is next.
>>316521386
>the game make it clear she's unhappy
No, you're wrong.
The game never make it clear, at least not until you've finished the game, unlock the extra costume and start the game with the new costume.
Even then she only make a remark of how embarrassed she is and why did she even wear it in the past.
This can only happen in Japan version of the game.
I honestly can't grasp why anyone would be okay with changes like these in their games. Like I get changing a character to be more heroic, or skewing the age a bit to be more acceptable. That I understand, but when you remove/change clothes, gameplay elements and customization, that's where I draw the line.
>>316522035
I can't think of a single reason why someone would be okay with content being removed either, unless they're the kind of person that whines and cries about women in media.
I mean, the average consumer might not care, but there's no way they'd be overall happy with the removal is what I'm trying to say.
>>316522035
Let's be honest. If you're a fan of a series you would not be happy if they started censoring it. The only people happy are the ones that would never play it anyway, and consider this some sort of ideological win because they think liking sexy women is "mysogynist" to ugly fat fucks.
>>316521875
>next
you seem to be mistaking Sony for SCEJ
the american and european divisions have long been taken over by this.
the japanese division is kept at bay with most efforts being brought over gradually and silently from small publishers.
if shit ever hits the fan, it's easy to close up shop and raise their walls all around grorius nippon to protect against the jewish influence. the samurai will be right behind the gate.
>>316522035
I am fine if they changed it when they have no choice but to do so, or maybe to fit their audience for the better since that is how localization goes.
But removing a bikini in a fucking M-rated title?
That is fucking retarded.
>>316517385
Reminder that there are unironic SJWs on /v/
>>316522516
>invalidating this image literally takes 1/100th of the time it took to be made
>>316522637
tell us more about how you think censorship can improve vidya.
>>316522282
Well I'm certainly not the type to whine and cry about women (or minorities or gays or whatever other special snowflake groups people white-knight nowadays). But for stuff like the Fatal Frame and Xenoblade stuff it isn't that big of a deal to me. I'd rather have the content, sure, but it's all trivial shit that won't impact my enjoyment of the game at all. So I'm not happy about the censorship but it's not like it ruins the games. Once somebody inevitably tries to censor something important I'll gladly join in protesting the change. But that hasn't happened yet.
>>316522637
That's why you did it in your post instead of saying so, right?
>>316517385
at this point waifu fags have become so unbearable that I want devs to censor hot chicks just to irritate them
>being pro-censorship is now cool regardless of context
I wonder if people even cared about these games if they didn't get censored. Suddenly they do get censored and they jump on the case solely because they know they'll be anti-censorship people to "fight" against. (see: slacktivism spraying all over the place)
>>316522402
>projecting this hard
I've played every Fatal Frame at launch, and even imported 4 and hacked my Wii to be able to play it. As I said here >>316522732 the cut costumes in V is unfortunate but nothing important enough to ruin or even hinder the overall game for me. I'm not going to skip playing a (great) game in one of my favorite series just because a costume I'd never use was removed. Some of you guys have this infantile black-and-white mentality for this kind of shit that's borderline pathetic.
>>316522732
That's all I'm trying to say. I won't pretend that either you hate the changes or you're some kind of horrible SJW asshole ruining video games, but 99% of consumers that would buy these games are either going to be upset at the changes and not buy it or not care either way or possibly even know. My point is these changes don't actually please any significant number of customers to make it worth the amount of money/time it might take to do some changes and the overall lost trust/sales that you'll get from that subset that is offended at the removals. It just seems stupid and overall like a bad idea.
>>316518537
>I disagree because my burgergovernment has told me that even the image of a newborn child caressed in it's mothers bosom is the LITERAL definition of CHILD POORN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>316522732
>but it's all trivial shit that won't impact my enjoyment of the game at all.
that's the equivalent of saying "it's okay to cut my limbs off as long as I still have my right arm so I can still fap and post on 4chan. I'm not happy about all this mutilation and it hurts like fuck but it's not like I can't keep doing my everyday stuff"
In Japan the nuke in Fallout 3 in that one town was removed. The sex scene in that one paparazi mission in GTA 5 was also changed to them just smoking in the Japanese release.
Censorship is shitty everywhere.
>Hate porn, once I see a tit I'm out
>Love my cheesecake
>Always try to peek up skirts in game if I can
>Senran Kagura is a harmless fun beat-em-up with just the right amount of teasing for me
>Friends always use the "hurr just watch porn" excuse
I don't want porn, you fucking knobs. I want my pantyshots. I don't get why this is a hard thing to grasp. I am completely fine with admitting it.
>mfw debating this with my SJW friend
>mfw watching his argument collapse on itself because I flat out admitted that's what I want
I am a red-blooded male who loves attractive women, and no minority of beta males and fat women will make me stop. Fuck off.
>>316522516
this image is cancer
>>316517385
That's a pretty long "meh"
>>316522035
Non-gamers who want to look good on shitty forums.
>>316523151
>>316523058
Why is /v/ so terrible at analogies? What you said isn't comparable at all.
Are you implying they shouldn't be able to self-censor?
>>316522957
>a costume I'd never use was removed
Why not? Do you hate sexy girls in vidya? Would you be okay if she was wearing a burka?
pic with timestamp or fuck the fuck off.
What is occuring here is that ultra vocal ultra minority pedophile NEETs are angry, because they are powerless, moneyless, and completely impotent to change reality
Hilariously, all of japan will ban this cartoon CP in advance of the 2020 Olympics.
>>316523275
of course no analogy works if your intent is on directly comparing the examples instead of the effect they cause in context.
the gist of it is "I know it's bad but as long as they don't take away the last 1% that remains, which is what I value the most, then it's okay"
>>316523431
>Hilariously, all of japan will ban this cartoon CP in advance of the 2020 Olympics.
>implying
>>316522516
>if you want to fap, go watch some porn
But that's actually a legit argument, along with "if you want to fap, go play an h-game."
Stop shitting up my otherwise great games with uncontrollable fanservice. If you stuff it into a dark corner that only embarrassing sexless weebs have to search for to experience, that's fine too.
I don't jack off to chess sets.
>>316523267
so anyone who has the slightest disagreement with you is the enemy?
both groups are shit
>>316523142
>>mfw watching his argument collapse on itself because I flat out admitted that's what I want
I've noticed this, they always try to go off the tangent and try to put you on the defense, that's when you lose, you don't have to justify anything, just say what you really want and they can't argue anymore.
>>316523267
No he's right, the picture really is cancer and completely idiotic. Using an image to hand-wave away any opposing arguments is the kind of bullshit tactic the SJW retards use.
>>316523335
That argument actually makes literally no sense. Why would a dev make a game, then want to go back and work on it to censor it for literally no reason. The game is already rated M, and the rating didn't change regardless of what the girl was wearing.
If you can show some evidence that devs love trolling different audiences through self-censorship, that's be great.
>>316523494
>Stop shitting up my otherwise great games with uncontrollable fanservice.
I'm not the ones putting shitty fanservice in the games I want to play, the devs are.
It's not the localizer's place to remove content. It's to translate the text into english.
>>316517385
>>316517385
They're right, though? I thought /v/ always said that literally nothing in a game mattered besides pure gameplay. Giving focus to anything else is cancer.
>"I don't care if they censor things as long as I get to play it!"
People like this are why NISA and other companies keep getting away with their shit.
>OH NO, SOMEONE ISN'T PANDERING TO ME
>CENSORSHIP!!!!!!!!
>>316523557
All the "arguments" are bullshit and only try to sway away any actual discussion, the worst is the people that try to debate the meaning of the word "censorship"
>>316523494
likewise, if you want to see violence go to Liveleak and don't buy any violent video game ever.
away with GTA, CoD, Witcher, Fallout and every single popular game ever. in fact, even Tetris is violent since the pieces that are equally lined "disappear", which is analogous to dying and death triggers me.
also, Pong is an ableist competitive game since one of the possible outcomes is losing. unfavorable conditions are also triggering and condition me to negative self-esteem and depression.
They're also going to cut all the otaku pandering garbage from that Fire Emblem game, and they'll be right to do so. As a company they have an image to maintain, which could be damaged by releasing trash like that in the west, especially since plenty of people have already gotten pissed over the JP release, including japanese people, to the point that Sakurai felt the need to cover for it while writing yet another one of his tantrums.
>>316520025
>The game were censored because it doesn't fit a political view
the game was censored because of nintendos history in the west and the fact that their management cant seem to get that mentality of old out of their heads
After the great vidya crash Nintendo revitalized the video game industry in the west by marketing games as toys for kids rather than somethign to be enjoyed by everyone. Video games had a bad image and connotation in society but toys were still safe. As a natural outgrowth of this marketing campaign games had to be kept VERY kid friendly and censoring seemingly innocuous things became the norm to appease american parents sensibilities.
Its this mentality that keeps Nintendo censoring shit even though the rest of the industry has already grown out of that mode of thought. Its not SJW's, its the remnants of an old marketing strategy and the fact that japanese companies and nintendo in particular dont like to change
>>316523580
>It's not the localizer's place to remove content. It's to translate the text into english.
Yes, it's not the localizer's place to remove content, which absolutely has nothing to do with tailoring the game to a certain region for it to sell more. Straight translations will just end up with a bunch of Japanese in-jokes that virtually no one will understand, so they get... censored.
You're mixing up localization and translation. Some companies just do translation, which is a cheaper service. Others, like Nintendo, can afford to pay a true localizer, one that modifies things beyond language. Of course it's simple modifications, because no company is going to change complicated code just to milk more dosh out of a foreign market. There are profit margins.
>>316523735
They are pandering to us though, it's NoA the ones changing everything for the people that don't even care about the game in the first place.
>localisation is now censorship
fucking /v/umblr
>>316523563
>waaa why are there other demographics
nice unwarranted self importance
>>316523635
See
>>316523494
> If you stuff it into a dark corner that only embarrassing sexless weebs have to search for to experience, that's fine too.
For some reason I read the neogaf thread on this, and the line they're taking is "the breast slider was sexist otaku pandering. breast sliders in other games don't count because they're more detailed in general". Also people cheering for it and hoping they do it with future titles.
>>316523930
why not just up her age to 18?
She looks like a fucking alien anyway.
>>316523848
But Nintendo of Japan does put out stuff like this, it's America the fucks censoring it all.
>>316523930
>localisation is now "free to change anything you want, even replace all code for Big Rigs"
>>316523889
Why do you respond to bait, the same person or people just posts the same exact replies with the same exact images every single thread just so they can get responses
>>316523930
This post makes no sense
You know what's weird whenever this shit happens? No SJW ever gets mad that the content existed and was sold in the JP version in the first place, all anger and criticism gets shifted towards anybody that complains about the content edits. It's bizarre.
>>316523407
A pic of what? My save files (assuming I still have them)? And if I had a problem with sexy girls I'd never had played the FF series to begin with, especially V where they constantly get wet and have their clothes clinging to their bodies (which is glorious I might add). I tend to not use bonus costumes like that because I have an admittedly weird hang-up about using non-canon costumes when given the choice. Same reason I don't use shit like the Raiden suit in TPP or the Nintendo costumes in Bayonetta.
>>316523462
Except for Fatal Frame they took away like 0.0001 percent of the game. It'd be more like somebody yanking a single hair out of your head than mutilating a fucking limb.
>>316523746
>people aren't allowed to have any disagreements no discussions are allowed
go to tumblr faggot
>>316524078
I suppose my naiveness makes me think I can reason with them.
>>316523791
>likewise, if you want to see violence go to Liveleak and don't buy any violent video game ever.
Too bad violence actually relates to the game mechanic systems and staring at panties doesn't.
The only games that use perversion as a central mechanic are h-games, and I already said I'm fine with them. It's h-game shit spilling over into other genres that's the problem, whether that means Bioware garbage or Quiet bending over on a helicopter for no reason.
>>316524187
How am I tumblr, anon?
>>316523735
No anon keeping content intact instead of gutting it from the game is not pandernig.
You posted this in the last thread.
People were right when they said this generation was pussifed.
>>316524369
They post it in every thread >>316524078
>>316524304
you're unreasonable and you want to suppress any opposition
>>316524180
>It'd be more like somebody yanking a single hair out of your head than mutilating a fucking limb.
at this point you're arguing "I don't consider this stuff as important as you do" which is pointless since it's subjective.
I wouldn't go to the Arkham Knight forums and go full smug on people telling them HEY MAN WHAT MATTERS IS BEING LE BATMAN, LOOK I CAN STILL WANDER AROUND GOTHAM while ignoring all technical shortcomings.
>but it's technical issues, it's different
again subjective, it's telling others "you shouldn't care because I don't"
>>316524151
Why would SJW complain about things in the Japanese market if there are virtually no SJW in Japan?
Think it through before posting m8. I don't give a shit about what culture subhuman middle easterners do in their own countries because it doesn't affect me. For all I care they could be watching a movie called "Prophet Muhammad Diddles Ten Little Kids" and it will never ever cross my view unless some gobshit subtitles it for my country.
>>316524076
>know full well America gets butthurt significantly more over sexuality and the naked body than the east
>modifying shit about this isn't localisation
>>316524008
NoA has always been heavily subservient to its Japanese parent and still acts under fairly strict orders. It would seem far more likely that NoA is following orders as it always has than it suddenly decided to start censoring stuff for fun
>But they were localizing it for a western gamers!
Oh I'm sorry I forgot westerns have never seen a game with a boob slider
I forgot kids never wear bikinis in the west
I forgot they've never seen names that aren't Amy and Peter
I forgot they don't know ENGLISH WORDS so they need to be changed
I forgot westerns have no idea about WESTERN PHILOSOPHICAL CONCEPTS AND RELIGIONS IN A FUCKING XENO GAME
>>316524452
You're unreasonable as fuck. Calling your pro-censor arguments retarded isn't supressing the opposition you stupid cunt.
>>316524217
>Too bad violence actually relates to the game mechanic systems and staring at panties doesn't.
anything controllable ingame is part of the game mechanic system, fuccboi
not just the parts you want to use
>>316524538
So should we be contacting NOJ about our pleas of stop changing our games.
>>316523335
Outsourced localization team censoring content from the game isn't exactly self-censoring.
>>316524596
>anything controllable ingame
Go play Gone Home then you philistine.
>>316520575
because NoJ isn't garbage. NoA is fucking cancer, and I'm pretty sure NoE isn't much better. It doesn't really matter to me anyway, since one more tally mark in the "fuckups" column can't really lower my opinion of either company any lower than they already were.
>>316524596
I guess you can make that arguement and not be 100% wrong, but it seems kind of absurd to put the mechanical relevance of a alt costume on par with shooting in an FPS
>>316524536
>selling game to "America"
that's your problem. yhe target audience should be the handful of baka gaijin who always buys this stuff, not "America" at large. you can't please a whole country
>>316524496
You're seriously comparing taking bonus swimsuit costumes out of a horror game to getting several limbs amputated, as if they are comparable at all. And then you say that removing the costumes is comparable to removing 99% of the game. You have to be baiting at this point. Nobody is that fucking delusional.
>>316524678
it's a shitty game alright
but still a game
>>316524704
the central mechanic isn't the only one that counts
http://www.jjmccullough.com/Nintendo.php
>The following Game Content Guidelines are presented for assistance in the development of authorized game paks (i.e., both Nintendo and licensee game paks) by defining the type of content and themes inconsistent with Nintendo's corporate and marketing philosophy. Although exceptions may be made to preserve the content of a game, Nintendo will not approve games for the NES, Game Boy or Super NES systems (i.e., audio-visual work, packaging, and instruction manuals) which:
>include sexually suggestive or explicit content including rape and/or nudity; (1)
>contain language or depiction which specifically denigrates members of either sex; (2)
>depict random, gratuitous, and/or excessive violence; (3)
>depict graphic illustration of death; (4)
>depict domestic violence and/or abuse; (5)
>depict excessive force in a sports game beyond what is inherent in actual contact sports; (6)
>reflect ethnic, religious, nationalistic, or sexual stereotypes of language; this includes symbols that are related to any type of racial, religious, nationalistic, or ethnic group, such as crosses, pentagrams, God, Gods (Roman mythological gods are acceptable), Satan, hell, Buddha; (7)
>use profanity or obscenity in any form or incorporate language or gestures that could be offensive by prevailing public standards and tastes; (8)
>incorporate or encourage the use of illegal drugs, smoking materials, and/or alcohol (Nintendo does not allow a beer or cigarette ad to be placed on an arena, stadium or playing field wall, or fence in a sports game); (9)
>include subliminal political messages or overt political statements (10)
>censorship since the NES days
>BUT IT'S TWITTER SJW FEMINISTS BAWWW
Fucking underage ITT.
>>316524704
He can make that argument and be 0% wrong. Because he's completely right.
It's absurd to say some mechanics should be removed just because they're morally objectionable to you.
>>316519223
Again, not same guy. And my point still stands.
These same people will fucking cry out loud about shit that isn't gameplay or story like a sexualized character, but when the balls in their court it magically doesn't matter if it isn't either of those.
>>316523494
>I don't jack off to chess sets.
Fucking casual.
Guys.
I think they've got bots spouting pro-censorship posts.
I've seen some of the exact same posts in different threads.
>>316524582
yes it is you damn tumblr fag if your arguments are as sound as you believe they are then you shouldn't be afraid of any criticism
>>316525078
Its more like some guy posting the same thing for baiting purposes.
Ignore him.
>>316524835
>>include sexually suggestive or explicit content
>>>depict random, gratuitous, and/or excessive violence
Bayonetta 2.webm
>Expecting Nintendo not to censor their games
Have y'all been living under a rock for the past decade? Nintendo has been shit and hasn't been making anything but kiddie games since the fucking gamecube.
>>316524835
So nintendo was an sjw before the term was conceived!!!!
>>316524623
I doubt it would help too much in practice, but it would likely be the most productive thing to do all the same. I doubt anything will change unless nintendo higher ups change their way of thinking about the west
>>316524795
>You're seriously comparing taking bonus swimsuit costumes out of a horror game to getting several limbs amputated, as if they are comparable at all.
that's because they aren't directly comparable at all, otherwise analogies wouldn't exist since you'd only be able to talk about the actual subject from the discussion
it doesn't matter if it's only 1% or 99%. the point is that you're trying to draw a line over what people should care about or not, which is fundamentally about telling people what to do with their money.
>>316525128
>if your arguments are as sound as you believe they are then you shouldn't be afraid of any criticism
Yeah you shouldn't, which is why you're completely fucking unreasonable if you think your shitty arguments are being oppressed when people call them retarded.
You're literally a tumblr fag. Go back to your pillowfort shithole website.
What's wrong with prioritising gameplay over seeing panties though?
>>316525236
>ThreehouseofHorror.webm
>>316517385
op cant jerk off to his character anymore and hes ass hurt about it
>>316525527
That's a false dichotomy, a fallacy at best.
>>316517385
desu senpai idk
>>316525527
because the existence of one isn't taking up the space of the other.
you have "ab" and you take "b". you don't end up with "A", just the same "a" it had all along.
>>316525527
But they're not, they already made the panties, then had to go back into the code and manually remove them. Why do you think they did such a thing for a game that's rated M, regardless of said panties?
>>316525316
Actually they were just uptight puritains. Which ironically enough describes a lot of social justice warrior types.
>>316524623
NOJ wouldn't care about what the west thinks.
>>316525462
I never drew a line over what other people should care about. I said the costume being removed didn't affect MY enjoyment at all, so it wasn't a big deal to ME. I was responding to the anon who implied than anybody not outraged by the censorship is either an SJW or "no real Scottsman" aka not a true fan. People have every right to be upset about the costumes, but I was defending/explaining why I wasn't bothered much by it.
>>316525376
Well western consumers flooding them with email and letters about that is the only way I can think that would change their idea.
>>316525640
Yeah but can you see why others would rather have good gameplay over having to see panties?
Everyone who gets so upset over it seems sad that they cant get new official art over their waifus, it never comes down to making a good game
Good games dont require panties, but many would say a good game requires good gameplay
I was fine with the bikini censor but removing a boob slider, really? That is so fucking immature
>8-4 is localizing this
that explains everything.
>>316525497
>Yeah you shouldn't, which is why you're completely fucking unreasonable if you think your shitty arguments are being oppressed when people call them retarded.
>You're literally a tumblr fag. Go back to your pillowfort shithole website.
tumblr let me make it as simple as I possibly can if you want to have a debate people must be allowed to criticise one another the bingo cancer was made to stop any discussion now fuck off back to your hellhole
>>316525860
>but can you see why others would rather have good gameplay over having to see panties?
I can see why anyone would worry over that if that was the case, however this isn't.
it's taking away something and putting nothing else to replace that. everything else sans slider is still the same after this.
what evidence is there that shows the removal of the boob slider improved the gameplay mechanics?
>>316524835
What about Bayonetta?
>>316525860
>Good games dont require panties, but many would say a good game requires good gameplay
>Yeah but can you see why others would rather have good gameplay over having to see panties?
No because it's a black and white fallacy. Having one doesn't come at the cost of the other. You can still have good gameplay if they don't censor the costumes.
>the face of Nintendo going down the gutter
>>316524871
>He can make that argument and be 0% wrong. Because he's completely right.
theirs merit to hte idea that all mechanics are important in and of themselves but lets be realistic here. Shooting is more important to an FPS than a costume is to a horror game. I cant imagine how one would argue otherwise
>It's absurd to say some mechanics should be removed just because they're morally objectionable to you.
Nintendo is trying to make the game as attractive as possible to western audiences. We arent talking about a peice of fine art being fought over by collectors, we are talking about a product whose goal is to make as much money as possible. Tailoring a product to regional audiences is something done in pretty much every industry ever.
also, i dont think its fair to say a "mechanic" was removed. the concept of costume switching is still there, just a few costumes got swapped out
>>316517385
I would maybe understand if the game was rated T but it's rated fucking M. Why does Nintendo treat all of its customers as children?
>>316526397
>but lets be realistic here. Shooting is more important to an FPS than a costume is to a horror game.
again the "not as important as" argument. by this logic you can cut off everything else in the game and just make it an on-rails shooter with 90's era graphics full of bugs and it would still be fine because you're still shooting zombies and that's all that matters.
>Tailoring a product to regional audiences is something done in pretty much every industry ever.
doesn't mean they are immune to criticism. also doesn't mean that they are targeting the whole country and every single target audience ever, even racing game fans.
>>316526536
Nintendo doesn't want soccer mums to see this and think the WiiU is a dirty console
>>316526092
>putting my retarded arguments on a bingo card is supressing my ability to criticise people
tumblr you're completely unreasonable . Fuck off to your shit site you dumb cunt
different social moors between Japan and the west... not a big deal really...
>>316526092
>being so triggered by an image that you feel "stopped" by it
how pathetic can a human bean be, to the point where a simpe .jpg file intimidates you enough to force you to stop discussing a subject. do you really fear this small image that much?
>>316517385
I personally usually draw the line when actual content gets cut, not when costumes get changed
>>316527406
>body customization options in a character creator isn't actual content
>>316526807
>>putting my retarded arguments on a bingo card is suppressing my ability to criticise people
>tumblr you're completely unreasonable . Fuck off to your shit site you dumb cunt
the act of suppressing any argument is insane without any criticism growth and change aren't possible if your ideals wont allow any disagreements then they aren't worth anyone's time
>>316527082
the image is a problem because any disagreements are meet with an irritating BINGO
and with that any chance of debate is gone because they wont form any counter arguments
>>316526973
Stop confusing the USA with the west.
The main problem with American localization is that they impose their bullshit on the rest of the world.
We don't want your backward morals.
>>316527842
look, it's a game coming out for a children's console. There's really no business in any of the west for a bust size slider to exist, that's just gratuitous.
>>316527672
they won't form any counter arguments that tantamount to snarky one-liners, which are all featured in this bingo.
if that's all the input you have to a discussion, then
you're admitting your incompetence in elaborating anything better than this shallow crap.
>>316527574
Not enough to get me to stop buying at least
I bought Bravely Default and buy the Phoenix wright series
I didn't buy Stick of Truth or Monster Monpiece
It's not that I'm fine with the censorship, I just don't really care too much. If there's a petition or something I'll sign it though.
>>316527994
some of them are justified but for the most part the bingo is riddled with perfectly reasonable arguments why you refuse to see that is beyond me
>>316527961
There is outside of the USA where we're not fucking insecure about everything related to sex.
>>316528459
>one liners
>perfectably reasonable arguments
without elaboration, they are just driveby baits.
are you telling me that you literally can't argue any better than that? just these measly little sentences are all that you can muster when arguing your point?
>b-but it's just a premise! the rest of the argument can be elaborated
then do it faggot, instead of crying about it
>>316529241
some of these aren't one liners and elaborating on them isn't possible if there aren't any counter arguments
lets take a look at a few
>they created it so they have the right to edit it
>nobody forced them to censor it
last I checked changing your artwork
is just apart the creative process and the artist is well within his or her rights to do so
>>316529767
>elaborating on them isn't possible if there aren't any counter arguments
you just did that by arguing over these points
>changing your artwork is just a part the creative process and the artist is well within his or her rights to do so
having the right to do something doesn't mean it's immune from criticism
also there's no way to prove that the artist did it willingly or caved on pressure from upper management / public emails / social media
or even prove if it was the artist himself who changed it
>>316530135
>having the right to do something doesn't mean it's immune from criticism
>also there's no way to prove that the artist did it willingly or caved on pressure from upper management / public emails / social media
>or even prove if it was the artist himself who changed it
a change being criticized is perfectly reasonable but it cant be called censorship when the creator did it without any outside influences so unless anyone has any proof changes cant be called censorship
>>316530681
>when the creator did it without any outside influences
except there is no proof that this is the case
>unless anyone has any proof
the proof is that the japanese version has this content.
and the japanese version was made by the same artist.
so the changed content is proof that outside influences existed.
the artist doesn't work in the western divisions, there is no proof he traveled all the way to NoE and NoA to personally localize the other versions.
i actually want Fire Emblem Fates' western release to end up censored (just the Amie parts and such, I'm fine with the games' story script and shit like incest), because if it isn't I'm afraid I'll be considered a weird pervert if someone notices I'm playing the game
>>316531045
I wasn't specifically talking about xenoblade in that instance do you have any idea how many mika censorship threads were made when the camera was changed or the threads about a character in FE without any proof and anyone who disagreed had to go through that retarded bingo shit
>>316531698
>playing your 3ds outside of home
Was Quentin right?
>hurr durr nintendo won't let me jerk off what an out rage
>>316531730
>anyone who disagreed had to go through that retarded bingo shit
that's not my problem bro. you're in an anonymous message board, anyone can come up with that anytime
also like I said, if you have any decent argument to be made you can surely do better than copypasting those cookie-cutter responses everybody repeated over and over. they're there in the bingo for a reason.
>>316532186
and that one line about an artist changing their own works of art need to be removed because its unreasonable
>story
Neogaf or reddit is more your speed faggot
>>316532548
>playing JRPGs for the story
Why pay money to have fun making numbers increase?
Cookie Clicker is free.
>>316532910
not playing for the story, I mean
more than half of that shit will be cutscenes
>>316526758
>by this logic
i didnt mean to imply only the most important singular thing in a game matters, just that its foolish to think that every single solitary aspect of a game is just as important as another. Everythign has value, but that value isnt exactly equal across the board.
>doesn't mean they are immune to criticism
sure, you can be as mad as you want about it, just dont misrepresent it by acting like this is unique to vidya or like its some sort of nefarious pandering to muh sjw's. You may not like it and may feel the need to be vocal about it, but realize its just good business
>>316532910
>paying for vidya in the year 2015
My bad tumblr is more your speed
>>316533002
>Everythign has value, but that value isnt exactly equal across the board.
that's subjective.
if there was no option to play as a chick I'd be pissed because I don't want to be forced to play as a dude if I knew I could make a grill but it was cut. it's a custom character and it's a jrpg, so I'll be forced to look at this avatar I didn't want for dozens of hours until the game was finished.
so yeah, it's not as important as missing a whole female character option, but it's still something people can be pissed about and not buy it, at least not at full price.
getting mad at people for that is like arguing "no, you WILL pay for that shit, like it or not". what the fuck
>just dont misrepresent it by acting like this is unique to vidya
doesn't change anything. a problem is still a problem, it doesn't need to be as bad as the starving kids in africa in order to be worthy of criticism.
>but realize its just good business
that's up for whoever is paying for that.
>>316517385
Because unlike you they actually seem to care about video games and not getting their rocks off?
