>see Cloud announced for Smash
>hyped as fuck, watch trailer
>"What the fuck is with that new costume and that sword?"
>Find out it's from a MOVIE
>An FFVII -MOVIE-
>There's been a bunch of FFVII spin offs in the past decade or so.
>and I had no idea it all existed.
Where in the fuck have I been? I've been replaying FFVII every other year since it came out, and I had NO idea there was a entire series of spin-offs (I don't pay attention to game media.) When I read about it, I thought the movie was going to be a cheap-budget cash-in, but that was actually pretty damn visually impressive and fun to watch. I don't think 10 year old me could possibly be more mind-blown.
Are the rest of the spin-off games any good? I see mixed things about them, but then again, I saw mixed things about Advent Children, and I loved that. Do the games have the same level of quality control?
If you're into it, Crisis Core was a great little PSP game. the FMVs are quality. The ending is spectacular.
With Durge, you expect DMC with Vincent. It's not. And shit.
Crisis Core is bretty good. Provides some solid backplot to the main game. Rather dull gameplay, tho.
Haven't yet played Dirge of Cerberus. I don't expect it to be good.
Crisis core is alright. Dirge of Cerberus is awful in every aspect.
>>316515607
are they quality or QUALITY?
>>316515875
Just quality.
>>316515398
BROTHER
LET ME SAVE YOU
Dont play them. Dont watch them. Dont involve yourself with them in anyway if you value the FFVII characters and dont want to see them bastardized and raped. Every single expansion to the core game does nothing but cheapen the original. Dont fucking do it. Their inclusions in party games and things like KH is acceptable because it's basically not even them, so who cares. But this "expanded FFVII universe is cancer, pure and simple"
I WISH i was you.
Unless you dont give a shit. If you just wanna see things kinda related to the FFVII world then go for it. But I warn you, there is a 99% chance you'll hate yourself for doing it.
>Dirge of Cerberus
>third person shooter
>based on Final Fantasy 7
>starring Vincent
>not Barrett
What is this fucking nonsnse?
>>316516279
Target audience wanted to play as edgy Alucard rip-off, not a large black amputee.
>>316516279
Japs think nigs are funny, but not fuckboi twink coolio enough to be the star of a SE game.
>>316516279
They should really just copy Gears of War and get Barrett a game. I'm sure it'll be popular with the Xbros and hood niggas who secretly or not so secretly like anime.
>>316515607
The ending is great. Caught me by surprise even though you know how it ends.
And by great I mean possibly the only thing in video games that actually hit me.
>>316515398
The costume also appeared in KH 2, albeit more cartoony.
>>316515607
Yeah, Dirge is straight-up bad though being able to customize guns was kind of fun.
>>316516789
What point do bandages on a sword serve?
>>316516925
To heal it after battle.
>>316516925
I'm assuming it's a really weird Japanese attempt at censorship or trying to tone down the violence in KH.
>>316516190
Op here.
I thought Advent Children was fine. Do the games fuck something up that I'm not privy to?
>>316515875
Depends. If you dig the PSP mini mission MGS:PO style then you'll get a fucking kick out of Crisis Core. Personally I loved it despite the bullshit insertion of Genesis. I found it QUALITY.
Durge was just bad. It was a shame. There is some nostalgia there but it falls flat on its face pretty hard.
>>316516925
It got boo-boos on its emotions
>>316516925
Because it would look a bit TOO mad to add a bunch of belts, duh
>>316515398
>I don't think 10 year old me could possibly be more mind-blown.
Fuck off
>>316517073
Did you watch the original or Advent Children Complete? Complete has like 20 minutes of extra footage and added stuff to the existing visuals.
>>316517073
Some things are rewritten. For example, where the Buster Sword came from, Sephiroths back story. They inserted a fag nuts called Genesis and a not so bad boss of Zacks. Just don't take that to heart and you'll be fine.
Durge just pulls a bullshit plot from its ass. Super secret bad guy factory under Shinra Tower with ass pull revalation. It's toss. Just don't hold this shit cannon.
>>316516925
Maybe since you can't sheath a sword that big, its to protect it from the elements?
Someone ask /k/
>>316516925
It served two purposes. The first, to tone down the supposed violence that such a big weapon my imply, which is stupid. And second, to symbolize his guilt or so I heard.
Crisis core will make you understand what a hero is and tells you just how important Zack was in bringing down all the bad guys of VII.
>>316517551
If you want to protect it use a fucking tarp or something. Bandages aren't gonna protect it from shit.
>>316517441
>Durge
aka: Everything wrong in the world is because Vincent was too beta to stop Hojo from shoving his dick in pussy.
>>316517305
Complete.
FF7 has a nonsensical and poorly written plot.
Crisis Core retconned the fuck out of it, but I think it made it better and more comprehensible. Apart form adding a bunch of backstory, I don't see how it ruined any characters from the original game. If anything, Crisis Core made Cloud a lot more interesting.
>>316516664
>>316515607
How can you fags actually like CC? Were you blinded by all that CG? Is taht all it takes to impress you?
In additon to get game being a brainless grind-fest, that final scene was the most overcompensating pieces of shit in game history.
You know what was cool? When a small squad of grunts took down Cloud's strong, yet not a GOD, role model, Zack. Zack was the only friend Cloud had in the world, and he had just escaped getting fucked up in a tube for 4 FUCKING YEARS and was lugging his dead weight ass around. He wasnt in great fucking shape.
They try to escape, but Shinra catches up and then they riddled his fucking body with bullets. Kinda made him, you know, relatable! He wasnt Jesus Christ himself who could single handedly defeat an entire ARMY, something Cloud couldn't have done at his fucking peak. He was just some dude with a good heart.
https://youtu.be/g_SgvAb8W9M?t=4m22s
One of the best, most touching scenes in the game, and SE comes along and says "You know what this needs? MORE EPIGNESS!" Disgusting.
And by the way, the story and characters are literally worse than DoC (muh LOVELESS!!!!) so get off your high horse.
I pray you people are actually as young as you sound.
>>316518310
>something Cloud couldn't have done at his fucking peak
I dunno man, Cloud gets pretty powerful by the time he fucks Sephiroth up in the Lifestream. All that Materia and limit breaks made him into a one man army compared to SOLDIER grunts.
>>316518309
You are grade-a retarded.
>>316518309
What was so nonsensical about FF7's plot? Even my dumbass 11 year old self understood it.
>>316517441
>Super secret bad guy factory under Shinra Tower with ass pull revalation.
You mean that the villain is Genesis?
>>316515398
advent children is good for a watch, just dont take it too seriously
Dirge of cerberus is ok
Last order retcons pointlessly
crisis core story is fucked up, playing it is painful
Man I really hope fucking Gackt doesn't come back for the remake
>>316518310
I didn' like Crisis Core either, bur Cloud can easily do that at his leak; Cloud, being the only successful Sephiroth clone, is basically pre-lifestream Sephiroth in terms of raw strength and power.
>>316519175
>Gackt
Who is he and why do I keep hearing his name?
How is he related to FF?
>>316517073
Advent Children was fun to watch, but WHY IN THE FUCK did they get Dragonball Z style fucking combat?
>>316516925
>>316517710
It's because putting belts and zippers all over it would be stupid. Even Nomura can hold himself back a little
>>316519175
He can't since Genesis is sealed away dueing FF7 and doesn't wake up till after DOC
>>316519268
http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/comic/i-hear-gackt-is-down-with-nerd-stuff
![msg-126274472639[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/x3ChCX8.jpg "msg-126274472639[1].jpg")
>>316519268
He's Nomura's favorite rock star.
>>316519268
He's the guy that's stoping Square Enix from ever releasing Crisis Core digitally on PSN. He is THE guy that makes Square Enix quake in their boots and makes the women of Japan gush from their panties.He did a few songs for Final Fantasy Crisis Core that he legally owns. Square doesn't want to pay Gackt the money to use his songs, thus SE pushed themselves into a corner to never release Crisis Core again.
>>316519268
Jap musician that Nomura constantly lusts over
>>316519268
A new villain in the series. He was retconned to be in the Nibelheim reactor and was the one who made Sephiroth go nuts. Then Zack kicked his ass and then he's alive again in DoC or some shit. He uses a flaming sword which is pretty sweet. He's modelled after, and mo-capped by, a Japanese celebrity named Gackt.
Would it have faired better as a videogame? What about if they took the FF title off of it?
>>316519358
Because that's what FF combat was supposed to look like since the beginning? That's what ATB is representing, not actually attacking in a line.
What, did you think Cloud was actually slashing at Diamond Weapon's feet? Did you think shooting beams meteors out of his sword was a visual metaphor or something? C'mon, son...
>>316519543
>>316519630
He also looks like an old lesbian nowadays
Do you guys think the FF7 remake will reference Crisis Core? Also, the fate of Genesis is still a mystery after Dirge of Cerberus, so maybe there will be a new FF movie?
>>316519703
>He was retconned to be in the Nibelheim reactor
No he wasn't. Where did you get that?
holy shit I think smash is for autist but this takes the cake on pissing me off. Cloud has nothing to do with nintendo, the only time hes been on a nintendo system is theatrhythm. Fuck I hate smash and it needs to fuck off from final fantasy.
>>316516789
>bankaiiii
>>316518509
>>316519220
After just waking up from a 4 year coma? And even if Zack could do all that shit (and die to the last couple of fucking troops? Jesus fucking christ) the point is that making Zack's final scene so over the top was just an excuse to have a big retarded battle with no concern for how it impacts the narrative. That was the problem for the whole game. The whole game was make "because we can squeeze out a game about this character," not because "there is still a story to tell about this charater." It made everything crowded, overblown, and shitty.
It's like whats happened with Big Boss. Ok, Solid Snake is cool, he learned from Big Boss. But who did BIG BOSS learn from? Oh THE Boss. Kojima wants to make a game playing as the Boss. So who taught HER? You can do this shit forever.
All we needed to know about Zack was the nature of his relationship with Cloud, a bit of his personality, his impact on the world, and his ultimate fate. If you wanted to go the extra mile you could even introduce his family and learn a bit about his history.
Oh wait.
All that was already in FFVII.:^)
>>316519552
None of Gackt's music was in Crisis Core; his image was (which is worse.)
You're thinking of Dirge.
>>316519892
Crisis Core?
>>316519220
>Cloud will never get respect for killing Sephiroth in Nibelheim while being impaled.
>>316520042
Oh shit, I misunderstood your post.
Sorry, brah.
>>316519995
Zack didn't "just wake up" he had been running with Cloud for an entire year.I'm completely serious, look it up in the timeline.
>>316520049
>Expanded universe material made it so that it was all keikaku for Sephiroth to get tossed into the mako goo by a guy with a sword halfway sticking into his gut
>>316520042
not that guy but they fit it in without clashing with anything cloud would have known.
Gacktesis left before cloud came and then miraculously jumped 20 feet with the buster sword while having no enhancements yet.
Not saying he should have been there, but it does crudely fit
>>316519995
I agree with you about all of that, I'm just saying Cloud could have taken out that army if he had to. Hell, he could have done it and survived.
>>316520173
Never be sorry.
>>316520229
Sounds like a CC retcon. But regardless, I'll give that to you. Still not buying it for the previously stated reasons.
>>316520471
Actually, it was from the 1st ultimania guide for FF7. If anything, Crisis Core tried to make it seem shorter.
>>316520312
...no it doesn't?
Last Order isn't canon. (but it did the Zack vs Sephiroth fight better.
>>316520049
Dude, thats literally my favorite moment in the games, and no one talks about it. Cloud was straight OG BEFORE any mako/jenova shit happened to him. Did Zack beat Seph? Nope, he got fucking rekt. Cloud is a fucking badass.
>>316520312
And thats why I hate SE now.
>>316516925
No point, no reason, only artistic choice, fuck you.
>>316520312
Yeah I remember seeing that shit in the Last Order. I dont know why a comapny would try so hard to save a puppet villian, because the fanbase is inbred.
>>316520903
Because SE didn't make it. Madhouse did it isn't canon.
>>316515875
QUALITY. You must have high tolerance to cringeworthy jRPG bullshit to finish that game.
>>316519030
>Dirge of cerberus is ok
>crisis core story is fucked up, playing it is painful
Anon, I don't think your brain functions properly.
>>316522145
Dirge of Cerberus is so disconnected from everything that it's harmless.
Crisis Core actively retcons iconic scenes.
That said, this part was masterfully done.
Crisis Core is pretty good from a gameplay perspective, but it retcons a bunch of shit and shoehorns an obnoxious new character (Genesis) into the FF VII lore.
Genesis is a character who is basically a real-life Japanese pop star that Nomura likes/is buddies with and designed a character to insert into the game for. He quotes a shitty play that's mentioned once in FF VII all the time, he's Sephiroth's equal in battle, and in the new, retconned timeline, he's why Sephiroth's went crazy.
I fucking hate Genesis so much.
If you can overlook that, Crisis Core is worth playing.
Advent Children is worth watching for the flashy fight scenes and completely ignoring everything else about it.
>>316520446
wasn't Zack all hemorhaged and shit from recently fighting Sephiroth? I don't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure Zack was all sorts of fucked up by the time that squad got to him. Cloud would have been put down like a dog too if he had ever been caught that weak... and I feel like that is the point. Cloud never did get put in a position like that because of zack's actions. CC ending was really good I feel in that sense then. it actually made me really sad when I realized no amount of button mashing would save Zack. His fate was sealed. But it's ok, because Cloud managed to not royally fuck everything up in the end and saved the day.
>>316518310
agreed that shit game that is CC is the ultimate Zack cocksucking fest, not only does the game shit on all the FF7 moments, they make Zack like the person thats behind every major decision the characters from FF7 make, and turn his death from this quick, tragic, and brutal moment, into the most melodramatic piece of shit i've ever seen, it even had a shitty speach, completely changing the message that the original FF7 tried to convey
>>316522656
No, because Zack was more than healed and had a year of running with Cloud to work out the kinks in his swordsmanship.
>>316522328
DoC is complete trash to play
CC is fun to play and no scene change is bad or worse imo. I even prefer the new ending because it makes no sense for Zack to go down like a bitch to a few grunts with how strong he was supposed to be.
Also the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOJ91H4mraU
>>316519268
DUDE THE GIFT OF THE GODDESS LMAO
>>316522656
no Zack and cloud were test tube lab rats for 4 to 5 years after the nibelheim shit, they ran away with zack fighting along the way, the problem is the shit endingin CC where they completely how the events play out, just for muh epicness bullshit, and completely changing the meaning of the scene the original tried to convey, because we need retarded amounts of melodrama
>>316522793
What made Zack dieing like that so effective was the fact that it was a momentary lapse of judgement in checking on Cloud right at the wrong moment that cost him his life, not some hollywood-esque last stand, and Cloud couldn't come to terms with the fact that his best friend went down simply because he wouldn't leave him behind and run.
>>316519808
He looks more like Elton John in that pic fampai.
Is this a rare case of a Jap not aging well?
>>316522793
it does because Zack got shot by surprisewhile checking on cloud, he still fought a shinra batallion, seriously how can anyone like his death in CC when you see the context of the scene in the original
is it because of better graphics and voice acting, fuck
>>316516925
Well, it could be that blood on a metal weapon could cause it to rust, and since it's pretty large, and doesn't have a scabbard it's a pain in the ass to clean it properly. Maybe the bandages are there so soak up blood?
Or maybe it's just fucking stupid idk
>>316523187
And he went down like a bitch when gameplay and later scenes show guns don't instantly kill mako infused people, much less obscenely strong ones like Zack.
>>316523290
>he still fought a shinra batallion
All we ever saw was one captain and two grunts. There's only sound effects for like 2 or 3 slashes so at most there were 5 grunts.
>>316518310
They are FFVII fanboys. They just have shit taste, man.
>>316523718
Pretty sure they do when you magdump them in the center-mass at point blank.
SOLDIERs aren't invincible, they're resiliant and skilled enough to not get shot most of the time.
>>316516190
...Crisis Core is good.
>>316523986
He got shot by a rifle and flew back 15 feet.
>>316523187
The idea still stands in Crisis Core. Zack didn't actually have to fight that Shinra army. If he left Cloud behind, he could have snuck around them or hid somewhere while they were looking for him. The reason he fought them was because he couldn't evade them while lugging Cloud around.
![Slowpoke_AG_anime[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Ngzm137.png "Slowpoke_AG_anime[1].png")
>>316515553
I don't think you understand how this works.
>>316522761
I think it goes without saying that Zack wasn't nearly as powerful as cloud/sephie and was never meant to be. The player is playing zack all of crisis core. And Zack dies in the end. He was meant to die, he just wasn't inherently as skilled as Cloud when it all came down to it. Which to me, made the death pretty powerful because his cause was just as noble if not more so than cloud's (whom's priorities, in the end, were finally set straight) Thank you for clarifying zack's condition when the squad got to him. I still like it though and felt proper closure with the game and Zack character.
>>316523028
could you elaborate a bit? I played crisis core a long ass time ago and have never played 7. *flinches*
>>316517551
you're right
the problem is that they were too lazy to remove them when he fights
>>316524101
zack? no sir, zack got turned into swiss cheese straight up.
>>316524191
No, he used it right.
Wasn't AC the whole reason why there's fags that say they love FF7 despite never playing the actual game?
>>316524387
After he got knocked 15 feet back from one fucking shot checking on Cloud.
>>316524391
Not only the first post, but not a minute after the thread goes up?
No. You're stupid.
>>316524284
makes sense to me. I feel like I have seen that play out before in some other Japanese work. Anime or mangas prob.
>>316524438
and KH.
>>316518310
Zack was SOLDIER, 1st class. He shouldn't of gotten killed by a few grunts. CC is the true ending of Zack's life. It makes a lot more sense.
>>316524438
No, Kingdom Hearts is. Advent Children just gave them a weird in-universe context that is awkward when it's not accompanied by the events of the game.
>>316518310
>I'm blinded by nostalgia
>>316519543
Not blaming himhe's pretty shit outside of vid related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh1hoNwFfg8
>>316524482
Eight shots.
>>316524482
That's all it fucking takes man. it's why you don't bring a sword to a gun fight. Or use some protective materia before the bullets start flying. That shot could have bounced off an armor piece but it didn't, it went right through.
>>316523802
yes but the scene where he leaves cloud before he gets shot clearly shows that he fought a number of enemies, sure it definetly isnt the retarded numbers that the shit Last Stand scene in CC showed, but he still did fight before getting surprise shot while checking on cloud
Crisis Core is fine, even with all its faults and grindy missions (doubly so if you want to fight the obligatory ultra hard boss that makes no sense in the canon) comparing it to the likes of Dirge of Cerberus or Kingdom Hearts is simply fucking wrong.
You get some interesting stuff in CC, not everything that the expanded universe introduces in this game is horseshit - Wutai war, Sephiroth actually having a character and not being a cunt, Zack's relationship with Angeal, Zack slowly becoming a man over the course of the story - all of that shit is competent.
Especially by modern Square standards.
Can't believe someone threw an autistic fit because during the ending Zack takes on a huge army of Shinra soldiers. Point is that he loses and they wanted to integrate it into the gameplay somehow. In the end the final scenes are pretty similar.
>>316524602
What? OP's a slow retard. Slowpoke applies for that retard.
>>316524957
One shot. Go watch the scene
>>316523959
look FFVII is my favorite game ever and i think CC is pretty shit, it had good things but it was mostly shit, especially Zacks death scene, they completely changed the meaning of that scene, that was fucking retarded, so no its not just FFVII fans
>>316525026
>clearly shows that he fought a number of enemies
A few sound effects and him being off screen for like 2 seconds. Yeah man, tons of enemies.
Fuck the Compilation of FF7 shit. The game was fine as it was. Fuck this upcoming remake too.
That said, Advent Children is a pretty good action movie with an awesome soundtrack if you're into the FF music.
Fuck the Complete version though. 20 minutes of unnecessary garbage that fucks up the pacing and injects Zack where he doesn't fucking belong.
Speaking of, fuck Crisis Core too.
>had to do a presentation in cinema class in highschool
>our team is bunch of gamers mixed with cool guys who game but hide their powerlevel
>we decide to present >>316515398
's fight with sephiroth and the motor scene
>it's edgy as fuck but we think it's really cool
>hey anon do you want to go in front to present it I'm shy in front of people
>don't care talking in front of people so I accept
>all the girls are giving themselves this look of disgust that makes you want to punch them
>see my team and they all look like they dodged a bullet
>>316525131
well there are 2 death scenes. which one are you referring to?
>tfw liked Zack and Crisis Core too
maybe it's because I never jerked off too much to VII, despite how good it is
>>316525524
The original
>>316524259
>could you elaborate
ok, after the nibelheim scene after sephiroth completely manhandled Zack and cloud threw him off the mako reactor after being impaled by the masamune, hojo used them as lab rats for his jenova/mako/sephiroth clone experiments, that whole shit takes 4 to 5 years, people forget that the events of FFVII is basically just a few months after Zacks death
now onto zacks death depictions, in the original, Zack and cloud, reach the clearing overlooking midgar and a shinra battalion reaches them, zack leaves cloud right there, and goes to fight the shinra soldiers right behind them, when he comes back he kneels over cloud and a couple shinra shoot him by surprise, they then go over him and unload a full mag on his chest, they then approach cloud and decide hes a nonissue and leave, cloud goes over zack grabs his sword, realises hes dead and screams
while in the CC version we see zack hide cloud, then go to the clearing for this retarded le epic LAST STAND against retarded amounts of shinra soldiers where you have no chance of winning, theres no surprise shooting, theres no unloading a mag while hes down, theres no deciding that cloud (a character thats supposed to be there) as a non issue, its just an overdramatized piece of shit scene, with a final melodramatic, "you're my living legacy" speach, coupled with angeal picking you up and HIGH FIVE crap
both scenes are in direct contrast with each other, and the CC scene change the original meaning of his death in FF7, that death is quick, tragic and sometimes theres no time for goodbyes, and the problem is most of the people that like the CC scene better is mostly because of better graphics and the voicework.
it'll be a damn shame if its the CC version they go with in the remake
>>316515398
The spinoff games were shit. You didn't truly miss anything.
Advent Children was just ok, tho.
>>316525059
it did somethings competently, but then you have shit like how Zacks relationship with Aerith is complete shit and hes behind some of the major decisions characters in FF made, then theres giving iconic scenes to him, and the muh loveless crap.
and yes the way they changed his final moments was retarded
>>316525224
dude can you calm down, i like you dont want him to fight the shit he did in CC, but he didnt kill just 1 or 2 enemies in that part
>>316525991
Yeah, the original had him get hit center mass with six (my bad) shots, then mag-dumped center mass when on the ground.
https://youtu.be/g_SgvAb8W9M
>>316525371
Those extra twenty minutes were lretty necessary considering uow badly Advent Children jumped around without explaining shit, but yeah, Zack barging in where he doesn't belong was weird.
>>316515398
how in the hell could you not know about this stuff, either way stay cleaar of the compilation shit, not worth the time, well, maybe AC
>recommending AC over CC
You guys are fucking retarded.
>>316529170
while AC isnt that good, and perpetuated this idea that cloud is an emo faggot, CC is a fucking worse offender with the bullshit they did in that game, of course CC still has good things about it, but god, that ending especially
>>316529170
AC is informed by the original game, so it's acceptable.
Crisis Core tried to inform the original game, so it fucks up in a lot of places.
>>316516925
To restrain his power level.
>>316529742
>while AC isnt that good, and perpetuated this idea that cloud is an emo faggot
No it didn't; it perpetuated the idea that Cloud is hard on himself for his percieved failures, which is something that carried over from the game.
And no, he didn't get over it in the game. He came to terms with his true self and saved the world. The problem is said "true self" is the same self that was ashamed of being weak and not making into SOLDIER back in the day. Now, he just has other things that he feels ashamed of (namely not being able to cure Denzel, who reminds him of Aeris since he found him outside her church) and the movie is all about him finally moving past his failures and realizing that he is the only life form on the planet (other than post-death Aeris) capable of standing in the way of the most dangerous person to walk the earth.
>>316515398
Sounds like you're just a fucking normie m8 and always were.
If you weren't then you would've found out about all of this stuff, as it had been happening over a number of fucking years.
>>316531759
i know, that, but people, generally those that didnt pay attention to the story or just want to shit on FF7 tried to pass him off as that, mainly with AC as the example
>>316515398
>he didn't know about advent children
You're either underage or spent the last fifteen years eating pebbles in a cave.
>>316532767
well I mean, there's usually a whole lot more than pebbles to eat in a cave anon. There could be mushrooms, or bats, or dirt. Pebbles would be a little weird honestly, since those normally only show up on the surface of spots of major erosion but idk
>>316517441
>where the Buster Sword came from
Crisis Core didn't change that, it just expanded on it. Cloud still got it from Zack at the end of the game.
>Sephiroth's back story
Crisis Core didn't change this, either. It, like with the Buster Sword, just expanded on his past.
>hating on Genesis
Eh, whatever. Like the character or not, that's your issue.
>Just don't hold this shit cannon
Yeah, sorry, that's not how canon works. What you're describing is headcanon. It's also referred to as being delusional. Unless/until Squeenix writes something that retcons Crisis Core, Advent Children, or Dirge of Cerberus, they are the official storyline whether you like it or not.
>>316532767
>>316515398
>Advent children came out 10 years ago
Time flies.
Hypothetically, if OP is let's say 20. He was only 10 when it came out.
Maybe he didn't have tv/internet.
Internet made a lot of AMVs out of it.
Remember AMVs?
>>316533239
i think genesis got retconned because the license for gakt's likeness ran out, right?
also it doesnt explain how shinra hq went from being a complete destroyed clusterfuck after a quasi civil war at the end of cc to perfectly 100% fine at the start of ff7
>>316532074
I'm not a normie (I'm here, aren't I?), just a single father that really liked FFVII. My boy likes to watch me play it, too, and he's a big Smash fan, so seeing Cloud announced sent him off the rails, which prompted me to view the trailer, which showed me Cloud's movie look, which lead to us watching the movie together earlier today. We were both fucking blown away, and now he wants to be Cloud for next halloween, and I'm happy because now me and him have a bunch of new stuff to bond over.
>>316533705
>i think genesis got retconned because the license for gakt's likeness ran out, right?
Probably. 7R will probably retcon his parts out during flashbacks, since they confirmed they'll be writing new parts for the story.
Unless he suddenly expresses interest in coming back, in which case SE might consider it for the publicity.
>>316534376
I don't think they will. Not everybody played Crisis Core, myself included. Meanwhile, EVERYBODY played FFVII. If they include Gackt, it's just going to be a case of "who's this faggot and what's he doing here?"
>>316533705
It's been quite a while since I've played Crisis Core, but I'm pretty sure you're really far off-base with the "destroyed clusterfuck after quasi civil-war" comment in reference to Midgar. Crisis Core didn't change anything that existed in FF7 aside from expanding on the story.
As for Genesis getting retconned because Gakt's likeness is no longer licensed, nah. The only thing they'd have to do to continue the use of Genesis in that case is change what his face looks like. If what you said is true, and they no longer have license to use his likeness, that doesn't change past releases at all as those were created while the license was in effect. He'd not retroactively go back and tell them that they could no longer use his likeness in games that already existed.
>mfw I legitimately think Crisis Core is a better game overall than Final Fantasy 7
And nothing anyone says will change that.
>>316534527
>"who's this faggot and what's he doing here?"
You're likely going to be saying that often anyway, since they plan on adding new shit into the story.
>>316533964
Where is the green in his eyes? I'm aware they're mostly blue but Mako Eyes was always blue with a green hue in the middle.
>>316535190
It's there.
>>316534376
>>316534527
where did they confirm that, last i heard they said they werent going to put any new characters in FF7 and they were specifically talking about FF7 and not compilation
>>316522328
Its crazy to think DoC was made by the people who made Xenoblade.
>>316526904
Sounds like 3 rounds but maybe each trigger pull fires a 2 round burst. Based fucking Zack "hey old man! what would I be good at?"
Based zack checking on cloud's prone body while under fire to make sure his buddy hadn't been shot. Died with ultimate bro status.
Now what I don't understand... is why in CC does this event take place long after Zack had been a Shinra Super Soldieru? The vats kinda seem like the key to finding that out.
Was crisis core all a simulation of real life while the duo are in the tubes? If so CC Zack death scene would be a different event entirely (a simulated one) where it is a creepy foreshadowing of what was about to happen.
It also explains why Zack dies, he didn't actually have any real life experience, just simulated ones. In the simulation he dies fighting a large group of soldiers where in reality, it only took 3. That's interesting, because he does actually kill a few soldiers at first, meaning the simulation was successful in training them... just not to the extent maybe Shinra wanted.
>>316516279
That was an edgy/emo time period just in general
Look at the difference between persona 3 and 4.
3 came out the same year as dirge of cerberus.
>>316532207
while I understand the preconceived notion that people would be quicker to bash something than actually learn it, there are some people out there who actually do care about a good story, start to finish.
>>316533683
I was 10 or 11 when I played FFVII. I don't remember the exact year I got it, but it was shortly after it was released but not on release day.
>>316532767
I was mostly a tabletop guyNecrons best race, but I played the fuck out of FFVII and Xenogears. I just was never particularly interested in video game trends and related media.
I enjoyed DoC when it came out, but thinking back it actually was kinda shitty.
The character designs were pretty bonkers.
