>http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/decembers-super-smash-bros-broadcast-is-the-last-one/
It's all riding on this direct now. Whoever gets announced during this announcement will be the final DLC characters.
Are you ready /v/? Who do you think will be included in the final DLC?
Will theu be big name characters? Or shitty literally whos?
>>316513948
Melee Mode or Melee HD
SNAKE!!!!
>December Smash Direct to be "the last one"
I don't care the characters. All I want is adventure mode in DLC form.
If this will really be the last one, and If they don't release adventure mode, then I will be really really sad.
Melee Mode or Melee HD
>>316513948
All I want is Sceptile and I can die happy.
>>316514239
>>316514750
Samefag
All I want is Simon Belmont.
>>316513948
Melee Mode is like, less than 1% of it happening. Like, reworking the entire game on melee's physics engine? I don't know, it would take lots of time. If it happened, it would easily be the very best video game of all time and not many could even deny that. Now, i don't it's possible though. And i also don't think modern nintendo could replicate melee.
How much would it cost? I would gladly pay full price for it.
Melee hd, there's a 50% chance of it happening at this point.
>>316513948
>makes a post with an article
>doesn't read it
Why /v/?
>>316514694
I want an actually classic classic mode instead of this fuckfest that often forces you into 6+ player matches,
>>316514239
>>316514750
>>316514951
>samefagging this hard
>>316513948
Melee Mode or Melee HD
>>316513948
It could just be one character announced. This is just the last Smash-only direct.
>>316514239
If they released a Melee mode I'd basically be forced to rebuy Smash 4.
>>316513948
Some new single player modes like Boss Battles and Melee-esque Adventure Mode would be great.
Project M mode or Project M HD
>tfw still no Ridley
Maybe next time guys?
![image61[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4Vn0BDP.jpg "image61[1].jpg")
>>316514951
>Melee Mode is like, less than 1% of it happening.
The world is full of 1% happenings.
>>316515092
Id be forced to get 4 wii u's. Not even joking, we need 4 set ups for our mini tourneys.
>>316514951
>Melee hd, there's a 50% chance of it happening at this point.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>316513948
Most likey going to be DLC of Wolf and Snake back into Smash.
And two poll DLC
>>316515169
>>316515092
Didn't the wii u get hacked last month? How long until PM for smash 4? Any news on the devs' site? Or is it way too soon for anything at this point?
>>316514951
All you'd need to do is allow running momentum to be kept into aerials and allow smooth landing with a button press, that's HARDLY a gamebreaking or effort-full thing to do. You dont even need to bring back wavedashing, just those 2 things would open up the game exponentially far beyond the stiff flowchart crap we have now.
>>316515169
Cloud making it in literally made me slowly sink from my chair into disbelief. It was something else than hype or joy. But i just know that, i will be playing him for 3-4 hours, and then simply go back to melee and be "Sad" that he's yet another dream character trapped in a game with sub-par gameplay.
If melee mode happens. There won't be any reason to play any other video game, ever.
>>316515295
The PM team announced as smash 4 was launched that they would NOT make a Smash 4 mod. Another team will most likely try in the future but dont get your hopes up for that anytime soon.
>Tr4sh is shit! Melee is better, stop playing shit games, play Melee!
>P-please gib Melee mode...!
Memelee fans being autistic as usual.
>>316515436
dont forget dashdances that are actually useable this delay on when you can run back and forth is stupid as all hell
>>316515593
Yeah that honestly bugs me but Namco has never made a Smash gamebefore and Sakurai is a retard that thinks everyone has stupid-hands like him.
>>316515436
>and allow smooth landing with a button press,
By smooth landing you mean L-cancel? Yeah it has to return. It was in smash 64 and melee. Why they removed it is still a mystery.
But, if you take out wavedashing, you take out wavelanding and the dozens of other applications of diagonal air-dodging that are just too many to name/count.
Also, they would have to bring back dash dancing in all its glory.P.S.Are JC grabs in smash 4?
>>316513948
>the last one
>the last Nintendo game released before the Direct will be M&L PJ
Paper Mario guys! It's Paper Mario for sure...
>>316515675
Its more like sakurai has this mindset that "everyone deserves to win no matter how bad they are" and it really hurts the game
Melee mode please
Hell Mario Maker did it so why the fuck not?
I want GOOD GAMEPLAY, no new character will fix the gameplay so idgaf about newcomers
I want more than three non-clones to make it in.
>not knowing melee hd already came out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFWZna_2QRY
>>316515556
No one denied that smash 4's roster is dreamlike at this point. But to whoever has been palying smash since the first entry and past the casual level, quite literally can't play brawl or smash 4. Not because
>"it's not literally the same!"
But because smash 4 and brawl are so different from melee and, to an extend, smash 64, that they could be considered a different ip.
In short, yeah, Smash 4's roster + Melee gameplay is perfection. I can't think of a better video game concept.
>>316515723
L canceling is pointless.
>>316515831
Is mario maker really a good comparison? What does a platform maker have to do with Changing the gameplay via expansion-like methods?
>>316513948
>Whoever gets announced during this announcement will be the final DLC characters
That's a huge leap in logic.
All the article said is that this will be the last Direct entirely focussed on Smash 4. There could always be more characters, they just won't get their own presentation.
>>316515965
Smash 64 is far more different than the other installments in the series.
I want at least Snake and Bayonetta, Shovel Knight and Banjo and Kazooie would be cool too
>all these dumb niggers that think melee is superior
Please an hero and stop wasting my oxygen
>>316515158
I'm with you there my friend. . .
>>316515981
>I'VE NEVER PLAYED MELEE!!!!!!!
>>316513948
I just want the fucking ability to play with an online friend against strangers from them. Is that so hard Nintendo?
>>316515909
When people outside of melee hell try to make melee hell like videos, shit like this happens.
>>316515981
No? It reduces the landing lag of an aerial by half. It also increases the skill ceiling leading to more satisfaction and in turn, Fun. The L-cancel window is 7 frames, which is plenty for a game like smash. If you can't do a simple task like that, then you should stop playing video games.
Also, you can miss L-cancel on purpose for Baiting tactics.
Basically, your post is pointless.
>>316516258
>he thinks 4 is better than melee gameplay wise
lmao
>>316516341
AUTISM
>Meleefags
>>316516124
Well for one, it doesn't have DI i agree. You also can't fast fall after performing an Aerial. It's basically Kirby Pivot up tilt-the game
after you get good enough.
>waah I wanna zip zap blip blop across the stage like a faggot
>>316516476
http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/12/09/super-smash-bros-creator-melee-the-sharpest
>>316516440
Took long enough actually. I was expecting the word "Autism" or "autistic" to appear in the first 3 posts. /v/ is improving.
>>316516394
>melee
>good game play
Pick one
>>316515909the zombie one is better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCutUnC_usY
>>316516547
I want the momentum of my running speed to carry over to the speed of my jump*
you know, like the games that came out 30 years ago.
>>316513948
I just want my K. Rool for my childhood and justice for DK series.
But I settle with Snake a joke character and Pichu to piss everyone off.
>>316515723
as well, they would need to increase fall speed and they'd need to remove cancelling hitstun with airdodges, and increase the potency of DI and smash DI, AND remove vertical vectoring.
that all?
Melee mode is coming guys
>>316516597
Sharpest because of all the jaggies.
You and melee are a mistake.
>>316516695
Sonic's in this game.
Unless they were going to find a way to cause this on purpose, it would be fucking ridiculous.
>>316516476
It really was, in insight.
It was a rushed game and it's obvious it came out in a way Sakurai didn't want it to be.
Plus, the Melee fanbase basically ruins every chance of discussing the sequels. Literal party poopers.
>>316516859
that would be fine. id like to see it.
>>316516695
>I want the momentum of my running speed to carry over to the speed of my jump
This I can understand. Wavedashing and shit like that are retarded though.
why not release a physics option for custom mode. it changes the physics from 4 to brawl to melee to 64.
64 had better physics than melee anyways
>>316515965
>different enough to be a different IP
man was not meant to witness such exaggeration
>>316515473
Some nerds will mod Smash 4 regardless of "Melee Mode"
>>316516875
>in insight
what? do you mean hindsight or I am I being rused
>>316516957
Yes.
>jump
>shield
>fast fall
>all at once
No thanks. I like playing a game rather than exploiting an error from a rushed game
>>316516774
They would have to add gravity, i hate to be that guy but melee's gravity is perfect and feels natural. You can feel the weight of each character.
They would also have to remove the magnetic ledges. It;s not fun being able to grab the ledge from 5 meters away. Not sure what the think about bringing edgehogging back. I think it should stay removed to force creativity in the edge guarding department.
Moves should deal more damage. A single aerial attack in melee deals more damage than 2-3 aerials in smash 4.
Also, the throws are fucked up in smash 4.
Fuck it, too many questionable design choices for smash 4. I will just stick to melee.
I honestly really hope Ridley will be announced.
>>316516994
You clearly never played melee past the entry-casual level.
>>316516695
The game is balanced around having air speed and run speed be separate values, making one equal the other would either ruin characters or make them ridiculous, Wario especially.
>>316516957
disagreed, wavedashing/landing is very important for spacing and movement mindgames and is a huge part of melee.
>still playing smash 4
Is the tech skill of melee too much for you?
>>316517256
So why does it work for melee and PM?
>>316517246
Melee HD and melee mode have a bigger chance at this point.
>>316517126
as will I anon.
I just desperately don't want any more sword wielders.. especially not any more quick ones.
We already had plenty and now 2 of the 3 new characters we get out of the DLC have been sword wielders. Its just so tired.
I wish we could get a character that would bring a new unique playstyle.
Ashley would be great, Brido, Captain Toad, Viewtiful Joe..
Banjo is my favorite pick though. Following him in the next smash game it would open the gates for even more characters from the francaise. We'd have Banjo as a standard mid speed mid power fighter with some game unique B moves and a good jump using kazooie, Mumbo Jumbo as a range character, and Gruntilda as a heavy character with range capabilities and an good rush move and jump with her broom.
Just a dream though.. just a dream.
>>316517247
Yes, tourneyfagging differences aren't enough to merit calling them separate ips. The differences need to be immediate and huge, as well as easily noticed by casuals and not only people who put hours into the game.
>>316517390
Because they were balanced around it?
>>316517381
I will never understand this logic. Poeple have been playing melee for 20.000 hours and never knew what a wavedashing or even l cancel was. Why remove optional gameplay options like that? In the end, better players still beat the lesser skilled ones. So all it did was cripple the game. It really makes me think that this video is true after all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev10TPl0bHw
>the ride is ending for good this time
>nothing more to look foward to or be unreasonably hype for for another 7-ish years
>7 long years
>and you'll still probably be here. doing not much
>>316517297
>spacing and movement mindgames and is a huge part of *competitive melee
fixed
>>316513948
Its the last one.... until the next one.
Nintendo despite there practices love money. And smash bros fucking prints money.
>>316517472
You from europe? Wanna netplay?
>>316517518
I personally can't tell the difference between halo and destiny. Because i am a casual when it comes to first person shooters.
>>316513948
This doesn't mean that they'll stop making DLC yet tho.
>>316517680
the barrier between casual and competitive is very blurred, because the only difference is whether you have any intention of actually getting better and whether you care about understanding the game. because the game is competitive by nature, the better casual player would have better spacing and movement and reaction. if I see my friend spamming f smash on my approaches, I'll run up shield. is it still casual if you're thinking about your options so you dont get bopped by doing the same thing over and over?
>>316517793
L O N D O N
for real though canada, i have netplay but i dont have my adapter right now. sorry anon.
>supposed to be like 2 or 3 characters left
>only one more direct
Woow
Try to be as unbiased as possible and be objective.
What are the ACTUAL changes of Melee HD or Melee Mode? Is it really that far fetched? Many people want a Melee HD and nintendo isn't shy of making ports and remakes of older games.
I personally think it (the december special thingy) will be about brawl characters returning and also a Subspace Emissray-like mode for smash 4. + the ballot, not much else.
But i truly believe that melee hd will get announced in december. If it won't i will never bring it up again.
>>316517657
This is what we live for anon.
Was it worth it?
>>316518187
Where the fuck is this Melee HD or Melee Mode shit coming from? I only heard people start mentioning that shit this month.
>>316518724
It's a meme. Basically, Melee fanboys are getting thirsty, they want to play Smash 4 for the roster but they still can't sucking mama Melee's tits.
So they beg for "lel good gameplay" and create fake hopes like Melee HD.
>>316518968
I was about to say that someone is going to say "meme" or "autism". You covered me.
It's going to be about the ballot suggestions (I'm expecting 4-6), stages and costumes. I hope for gameplay changes and new modes, but I doubt it.
>>316518968
I'm convinced that most of the time that I see shit like this, it isn't the actual fans, but a bunch of shitposters.
I just want Snake and Phoenix Wright.
>>316518187
More weight, damage increase, dash dancing, dacus, and wave-dashing.
I can't see them re-adding l-cancelling, so less endlag would be a solution.
>>316519424
>I can't see them re-adding l-cancelling, so less endlag would be a solution.
L cancel on hit. And I could do without wave dashing, but momentum from running absolutely must come back. And maybe less BKB or more hitstun for combos.
>>316519424
>I can't see them re-adding l-cancelling
But Auto l-cancel is in tr4sh via the smooth lander badge. It's already in. They could just make it manual.
>want Snake
>but if he gets in, that means some other character isn't getting in
I just don't know man
>>316517631
Because Sakurai wanted anybody to be able to win, even if they aren't as skilled as their opponent.
>>316518058
>2 to 3 characters left.
>Roy, Ryu, and Lucas.
>All in one direct.
>>316519837
*the Sakurai impersonator
>>316514694
>I don't care the characters.
Then you should have quit Smash Bros entirely after Melee. After all, if characters don't matter, the roster count doesn't matter, right?
>>316519964
>"We really just wanted this game, again, to appeal to and be played by gamers of all different levels. We felt that there was a growing gap between beginners and advanced players, and taking that out helps to level the playing field."
Source: >>316517381
>>316513948
The Brawl theme was playing in the background of the announcement, so I'm hoping for SSE2
I know /v/ hates it, but it was my favorite part of Brawl, and I'd like to see more character interactions like the first one.
>>316514892
Nah, too many realisticish humans at this point. I'd rather get LORD DRACULA himself.
>>316517631
I don't even think removing wavedashing was intentional so much as Sakurai wanted to go in a different direction.
The infinite airdodge mechanic is more friendly to newer players on the surface because it makes them feel safe in the air. You could see how it was going in that direction with the magnet ledges as well.
The L-Cancelling is the real mystery as supposedly there were reports of it being present in brawl when they had that large California playtest, when the game was delayed. In addition to l-cancel removal there was around the board nerfs. People said it was a different game than what was released.
>K Rool and Krystal fags will prevent us from having Simon Belmont/Snake
>>316517381
>Ice Climbers are mid tier
Why the fuck can't we turn off stuff like bosses? Midgar looks like a nice Battlefield palette swap, but no one's ever going to tourney it because of the stage hazards. Fucking Sakurai and not wanting to be anything like All Stars
>Be Melee fag
>Tourneys and everything
>Brawl is released
>Played it day of launch
>Never touched it again
>Melee faggin
>Fuck project M
>Smash 4 comes out
>Play it a bit
>Get into it
>Full smash 4 mode
>Been playing since release
>Play Melee the other day
>Feels bland, slow, boring
>>316520449
The image might have been made when that was true.
>>316520465
>What is omega mode?
>>316515473
>And then simply go back to Melee and be "sad" that he's yet another dream character used as bait for everyone to purchase DLC and then be trapped in a game with sub-par gameplay
FTFY
I really just want the 3DS levels in the WiiU version. The roster is pretty much perfect where it is outside of no Snake.
>>316515556
Its a consistent denial and hatred for a game over shadowing their game, while also getting constant updates that make the game better, with future balancing updates still coming confirmed. They want it to be like Melee so that their skills in that game could transfer over, instead of trying to learn the new game itself, and relearn it every time the game gets balanced more. They undermine the balance changes as "not having a impact" and "not changing anything", while the metagame has been constantly evolving everytime a new character gets added.
People need to come to terms that, Smash 4 does not play at all like it did at release day now, it has changed, will continue to change, melee was a great game, but its time to move on and give a different playstyle a chance.
>>316520678
Oh boy, I sure love every stage being Final Destination
If Snake comes back, do you guys want him to keep his old moveset, or do you want him to get a more CQC-oriented moveset?CQC-oriented moveset turns him into Big Boss.
>>316520927
I want it to be Venom Snake, and he has to have a Rocket Punch as his projectile.
>>316515831
mario maker did it?
what do you mean
>>316520896
It's kinda boring, but it also lets you enjoy a stage's background and music in a way you wouldn't with the dumbfuck level design of the original version.
>Gaur Plains
>Mario Galaxy
>ANY Metroid stage
>Corneria stage because FUCK the WiiU version
>>316521017
Would they be able to get Kiefer to do some lines for this if they do manage to get Venom Snake in?
I doubt it.
>>316520856
I wonder if people like you actually believe what they write.
I and many others simply don't like smash 4. Is thay so hard to understand? There's no "deeper" meaning behind that. I simply do not like smash 4's gameplay. That is all.
>>316515965
>But because smash 4 and brawl are so different from melee
Stopped reading there. Learn to adapt. Smash gameplay isn't meant to be consistent, its meant to be different every time to make all players start out from the beginning every time with no experience with the game from the start. This isn't street fighter or tekken.
>>316520856
>They want it to be like Melee so that their skills in that game could transfer over, instead of trying to learn the new game itself,
This
THIS
>>316520112
I'm not even an advanced player but this logic feels broken to me. Rather than just provide a simple way for players of the same skill set to fight each other you remove the option for high level play altogether? Rather than simply adding more options and handicaps to level the playing field you remove options and force everyone to play a particular way?
At the end of the day skilled players will always have the upper hand, the only way to remove that would be to make the whole thing dependent on a roll of the dice, so why even bother tearing so much stuff apart. Most casuals won't even notice or care about the changes.
Casualization is evil and I'll never understand how so many people here can defend it simply because they're spiteful towards a certain group of people.
>>316521187
Not true. Smash 4's gameplay is a lot like brawl. Is smash 4 your first smash game?
reminder that we found 6 character slots in the last datamine
>>>>They are going to reveal 5 fucking characters in one direct
Also people need to stop taking Sakurai's words seriously
The guy absolutely sucks in explanations and his words are taken in the dumbest way because of the fanbase
>>316516875
>It was a rushed game
This.
Melee was a highly rushed and unpolished game. The physics exploit was known, but not polished or refined on, simply left in out of laziness.
>Everyone can shield
>Everyone can air dodge
>Some people can wave dash a little, a lot, or nearly none at all.
INCONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD.
If Melee had not been rushed so much, tons of characters would have become more viable, and the game would have been better overall.
>>316521320
Because nintendo can do no wrong.
I just hope that smash 4 really is his last smash bros game.
>>316517381
if I wanted to play a complex fighting game I would get street fighters smash is a casual series that's meant to be played with friends and family
>>316521136
It's fucking Nintendo
Of course they can.
>>316521320
smash was always casual the idea of any game in the series being competitive is ridicules
>>316521483
Six?
Last I saw was three, and I haven't really stayed up to date
I'd love to see six, though. Source?
>>316517381
No
I already played Melee
Smash 4 is the current smash
It's meta is different and is built around other things
Why must you have this disorder where you have to look at Sm4sh in a negative light?
You can't do shit in Sm4sh that Melee does
And vice versa, you can't do shit in Melee that Sm4sh
Can you just fucking accept Sm4sh as its own game?
Seriously fuck off
>>316521529
Melee has a lot more depth than street fighter. Doesn't matter if it was intentional or not. You clearly never played melee, not to mention past the casual level. So it's no ise talking to you.
>>316521320
It isn't being spiteful what Sakurai wants to do is reduce the inherent skill gap so that being slightly better or mastering a technique than a player doesn't result in you being handing them their ass with them not standing a chance like in Melee.
This way both can players to have fun and even the loser will enjoy themselves because they won't feel like they lost without being able to put up a fight and will be more likely to continue playing rather than getting frustrated and quitting.
>>316521724
Yet the game's at Evo.
>>316521794
>Melee has a lot more depth than street fighter.
>>316521787
What? You CAN play melee like you would play smash 4. Simply ignore the dozens of AT's and dont use them.
Also yeah, smash 4 is the lattest game in the series. It being the first point you made just means that you're a good goyim, goyim.
>>316520856
If smash 4 is that good it will make it's own place with it's own pieces of the community. There is no need for anyone to force themselves to play a new game.
>>316521738
My bad it was 3
The question begs then, cloud, who and who?
>>316521934
it really shouldn't be
>tfw Smash Time ends
I just realized I have nothing to go back to. nothing to get hyped about.
>>316521794
>>316522042
But it is.
![hype-marketing[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pnZsL9d.jpg "hype-marketing[1].jpg")
>SCHWING
>Opens up with selecting 8-player Smash
>Roster is hidden from us
>Shows off the new stage(s) on the screen
>Picks the coolest looking of the bunch
>8 new characters jump in weapons first, before it fades to black
>Claws, hair, shovel, bomb, small hammers, whip, red fist, ink gun
>Final Smash 4 trailer is a 10 minute long trailer, showing all of these characters at once
>As the trailer ends, cut to black
>SCHWING
>Kept you waiting, huh?
>>316516341
Make it automatic.
>>316521724
The competitive aspect has nothing to do with it. Mario Party was always casual and no one takes it seriously as a competitive game but Nintendo still felt it necessary to casualize it to a point where it's complete trash.
>>316522036
Those three slots were added a while back. Maybe they're all pre-ballot, and maybe we'll get ballot character over next summer or something? I know it's my inner smash fan that expects too much, but still. 6 would make the roster a perfect rectangle on Wii U and 3DS.
>>316522165
it being there is absurd its almost as bad seeing pro dota players or competitive Hearthstone
>>316522019
Nobody is forcing people to play sm4sh
the issue is ignorant people bashing Sm4sh for not being Melee
>>316516292
>!!!!!!!
Jesus Christ, you documentary babies are insufferable.
>>316521227
You learn Smash 4 in a couple of days.
Daisy is pretty much confirmed as there are no female DLC characters yet and she's really popular!
Didn't Sakurai say they were going to make a new 1P mode?
>>316522361
You think you could beat them then anon?
>>316522189
>>316516807
>thinking Sakurai wants to be reminded of his rushed game
>>316522386
But what does that matter.
A game can speak for itself.
If a game is everchanging and becoming more deep those that play it will show for it and it doesn't matter if melee fags like it or not.
Fags are gonna be fags.
>>316522429
Step aside you non-anime whore.
>>316522419
And yet Melee fanboys will never bother, they are scared to stop playing MuhMelee.
>>316513948
>Indirectly confirming that the life span of the Wii U is over
I feel bad for the people that bought this console
Let's hope the NX is not such a blunder
>tfw Sakurai will never admit he fucked up
>he'll just keep pretending it's a perfect game
>>316514951
>Melee hd, there's a 50% chance of it happening at this point.
Point and laugh at this absolute moron
>>316522652
yes to dota since its a gutted warcraft clone
no to hearthstone since the winner is usually determined by luck so its outside my control
>>316513948
>Whoever gets announced during this announcement will be the final DLC characters.
Except that's not even remotely true. It just means there won't be any more dedicated Smash Directs. They could still easily announce characters at regular Nintendo Directs or E3.
>>316522998
kek you're pretty retarded m8
>>316522863
They don't bother because it's not fun. Smash 4 is the most limited and simple game in the entire series. Of course people who enjoy the most complex and fastest smash game wouldn't like it
>>316523153
anyone who sees dota as anything but a gutted rts is retarded mobas are the new military shooters
PAPER MARIO
PLS SAKURAI
>>316523173
Not that guy, but if Melee fans are smart enough to not do something they don't find fun, why are they retarded enough to keep bitching about Smash 4 not being like Melee?
>>316523173
Nah, it's just a matter of laziness and not wanting to try something new.
I can tell it by the fact the average Melee player, when he talks about Smash 4, doesn't know shit, see whoever says Brawl 2.
>>316523153
It's either going to be Snake and Wolf or another anime swordsman or two.
>>316515473
You are the biggest faggot I have ever seen on this board.
>>316513948
Just Inkling or Snake pls
What character would make you rage if introduced?
>>316513948
>Japan time will finally come to a end
I'll miss you.
>>316523654
Shovel Knight
>>316517256
>Equal
Ground Speed doesn't translate 1:1 into Air Speed in Melee and PM, there's also different values for Maximum Air Speed across the cast and Aerial acceleration is worse, just look at Sheik.
>>316513948
>http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/decembers-super-smash-bros-broadcast-is-the-last-one/
>No direct confirmation
Unless i'm just not seeing it, I doubt Nintendo would let this off, it could just mean be the last one of this year.
>>316521519
>Frame drops to just above single digits on dreamland
>No reason to play more than half the cast because they can't effectively use half of the stuff the main characters can
>IF THEY MADE SMASH 4 INTO MELEE IT WOULD BE THE PERFECTEST GAME EVER.
Not to mention almost everyone here is shit at melee and are either false flagging or leaking out from gamefags or neodicks.
>>316523427
If you haven't noticed, fans of series usually bitch a lot when they feel a sequel is much worse. Even more so when the goddamn creator admits he did it on purpose, usually on a "we want a wider audience" venture.
>>316523480
Smash 4 is brawl 2.0 and everyone remotely serious knows it. There are a few significant changes, but it's extremely similar to brawl. The neutral game is almost a carbon copy except it doesn't have a slew of overpowered moves and tripping
>>316516341
He's too lazy and too unskilled to learn the timing and doesn't realize having it be automatic would remove a skill/punishment barrier. Or maybe he does because he sucks and videogames and doesn't wanna be punished for fucking up his execution, which is a major part of any game revolved around fighting whether traditional or not.
>>316521794
>Input ceilings = Depth
>Have to exploit the physics engine to play it at that level, locking several characters out of competitive play = Depth
>Multiple 0-Deaths, banned moves and techniques, as well as banned matchups = Depth
Melee is not a deep or balanced fighter in anymeans whatsoever, it is literally an input shitfest is all it is. Execution barriers =/= depth.
>>316514694
Well the main thing i want is Target Test. My original "dream" was getting custom target tests. That wont happen though so ill be happy with the Brawl 1-5 shit
>>316516859
>Sonic
>Approaching instead of camping with Side-B
How is this bad?
>>316524446
Target Test was fucking fantastic. Why he replaced it with Target Blast is something I'll never understand.
>>316524419
>WAHHH I DONT WANT TO BE PUNISHED FOR SUCKING AT THE GAME DUMB IT DOWN FOR ME
That's the end result of what you're saying. You dont want to work to get good and you want everything handed to you, typical of the casual generation. Go die.
Melee and traditional fighting games do have a execution barrier, and it DOES separate the players who cannot execute from those who can. Doing things on a consistent manner without fucking up gives you a edge because you worked for it, because you grinded at it to get better and overcome. This is called PROGRESSION, which would be removed by removing execution barriers for babbys feelings.
>>316522531
you'll get subspace emissary HD and you'll like it
>>316524149
>Implying the Smash Community disliked brawl outside of tripping
That's why its still active and still played at tournaments, even by big names in the melee scene right?
>Implying it was a "we want a wider audience" venture
Making a game differently =/= wider audience venture. You are forgetting that Brawl did literally everything that was missing in melee due to it being rushed.
Not to mention that melee took so fucking long for the meta to develope and you can tell faggots that are just getting into it talking shit like melee wasn't garbage for years after release.
Also:
>Melee
>No OP moves
hahahaha
>>316525057
Brawl gets less entrants than 64 nowadays.
How mad would you be if they actually put goku/naruto in it?
>>316524149
Yeah but Smash 4 isn't becoming Melee, ever, considering Sakurai admits he did it on purpose. There are people in this thread bitching about how Smash 4 is basically a different IP than Melee, if you really just want Melee with a bigger roster then stick to PM. I also like Melee's gameplay better than Smash 4, but too many Melee fags just can't shut about how Smash 4 isn't Melee.
>>316524986
That's still better than Smash Tour
>>316520586
>slow
You can't even dash dance in Sm4ash, how could you call melee slow
>>316523334
>wanting ANOTHER Mario
End yourself.
All or nothing.
>>316525169
This, and its own community is to fault for this for how they play. Infinites shoulda been banned at least. But no, every god damn match became infinites and camping.
>>316525346
It's sakurai's fault for making the game like that
>>316524419
>Multiple 0-deaths
This post smells like SF players that tried GG once, got their asses manhandled by Millia's oki game, never learned the counterplay and then shit on anime fighters because muh footsies at snail mph. These simplistic opinions are the worst because no matter how hard you try to explain, they won't even care.
>>316525208
>they retool it so instead of a metroidvania style platformer, it plays like smash tour
>>316525470
Yes and No really. Nintendo had a new generation of gamers to cater to with the Wii. Remember, Nintendo's intent and purpose with the Wii was to introduce as many nongamers to gaming, and bring in as many casuals as humanly possible to expand their market share back from the other companies. Because they brought in so many nongamers and casuals, the game had to be simplified. Brawl exemplified this moreso than any other Nintendo title because of how stripped down and basic it was. They to encompass many input methods, including the wiimote+nunchuck so the game HAD to be dumbed down for all intents and purposes.
Remember also that Sakurai didn't want to make brawl because he considered Melee his ultimate game. Also consider, that with 64, and Melee they were games made by HAL labs entirely and Nintendo's internal dev teams for debugging/further coding. Brawl and Sm4sh were outsourced and reflected it not only in their engine but the general mechanics.
These are the reasons Brawl is so vastly different and why Sm4sh continued this trend. This is the truth, take it or leave it, no opinions.
>recognize that Melee involves the most technical skill
>understand that but am not willing to sacrifice a more fleshed-out roster, dazzling visuals, and balanced gameplay just for more technical depth
>support Melee fans and hope they keep having fun with their game
>all my Melee friends keep telling to 'stop playing Smash 4 because Melee is superior'
Why can't we all just get along? You play your own game, and I'll play mine.
Who the hell really knows
>>316525950
I support both games, and I will always point of flaws in the games I don't play but I've never told anyone to stop playing the game they like. That's just some victim complex thinking right there.
>>316524803
The only thing difficult about melee is the execution barriers you fucking retard, that was my point, which is why other games with execution barriers have more depth because that isn't all there fucking is.
You missed my point entirely, I am not advocating for removal of execution barriers, but that is literally all that melee has to go on which is why its so epitomized by faggots such as you.
The literal only thing that melee does that people wet themselves over is only good for spacing, and people sperg like its a godscend when it is literally wasted APM. And it's the only important part in melee because the actual fighting is just fishing for hitconfirms and positioning for a combo to death ~40%.
The actual fighting is so lacluster and unbalanced, the game is limited because that execution barrier is entirely based on the physics of the game, which causes characters that are heavier or slower to be pushed out of the game because that is all that matters.
Melee is garbage because it is a fighting game you can only play one way, and the only way to play it isn't even based on the characters or anything they do at all. It's a fighting game where you fight the controller, and whoever is better at fighting the controller wins.
>>316522001
Not that guy, but "goyim" is plural. "Goy" is the word you wanted use, newfriend.
It just means that it's probably the last Smash-centric direct. There will still be more directs and Smash updates.
>>316524419
>Deep
Yes
>Balanced
Hahahaha no.
>Multiple 0-Deaths, banned moves and techniques, as well as banned matchups = Depth
What? The only thing thats banned is ness's infinite jacket glitch.
Melee isn't hard to play really, it just takes a few hours of practice to learn AT's and is really fun when you do so.
Medusa, Wolf and some FE fuckboy.
>sakurai letting the casuals have any say in the roster
it let's autists like this decide who the next character is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k30PFdlTB6I
>>316515436
Well you forgot about the ledges. Thats the main problem about Smash imo. Melee mode will probably not happen. What i can maybe see happening is options to toggle on / off the ledge snapping, ledge stealing, maybe even multi direction airdodge and fix dash dancing. Then people can use the equipment like high gravity and balance the game our selves through that. Either way, not getting my hopes up about it.
>>316513948
no OP
we won't get dedicated Smash directs anymore after this, not the characters.
I don't care.
I just simply can't bring myself to care anymore.
We could have had Ridley, we could have had K. Rool, we could have had Shovel Knight, we could of had Simon Belmont, we could have had Blaziken, we could have had Geno, we could have had Krystal, we could have had fucking ANYBODY.
And what do we get?
WII FUCKING FIT TRAINER, DUCK HUNT DOG, AND "LITERALLY WHO"-TEIR ANIME CHARACTERS!
FUCK SMASH 4!
GOD I'M SO FUCKING MAD
>>316525759
>Sakurai tries to make super casual game and remove Advance Shit
>Brawl comes out snakes and shieks DACUS-ing everywhere
>Fucking chain grabs up the ass
>Item tossing becomes a insane meta for diddy and ZSS
>Momentum Canceling moves caused characters like G&W to live longer
>Fucking the most jank ass combo's in the history of the series
Brawl was a fucking mess. But it was a entertaining mess to say the least.At least you could double fair as marth thanks a fucking lot smash 4
>>316525508
I am not talking about 0-deaths because of a players bad game, anyone that gets 0-deathed in GG deserves it, that literally relies on not knowing a key mechanic to the game.
Melee has 0-deaths off hit confirms that no matter of DI (or in some cases even stage position) can do jack shit about. When your whole game is based on baiting and spacing and you have 0-death on hitconfirms its fucking stupid.
>>316526248
so bad, it's good
>muh Melee mode/Melee HD
fuck off Tr4sh bandwagoners we already got our masterpiece version of Melee.
>>316526679
Fucking learn to mod brawl you daft cunt.
>>316520386
Thank Gad. I'd rather have Nintendo characters in my Nintendo game
>>316520386
Konami is deeeeaaaaaddd!
>>316515158
if cloud can happen then anything can, honestly if he gets enough votes he could actually make it.
>>316526796
>changing character timings
I wish they wouldn't do this.
cooldown reduction is great, but warmup messes with your timings.
>still no Ashley
>>316526679
>tfw you actually like 4's roster, but the gameplay is slow garbage
Party game my ass. Even Melee was better at being that.
>>316526679
>Ridley
literal meme character
>k rool
same
>shit knight
indie flavour of the month
>simon belmont
lol konami
>blaziken
more pokeshit
>geno
literally who?
>krystal
non-canon furry bait
yeah no, go fuck yourself
>>316526787
>Melee has stupid 0-deaths off hit confirms no matter of DI
Why are playing a fast faller if your spacing is so bad?
>>316526819
Okay, first of all, no.
Second of all, fucking no.
I'm not going to go out of my way to learn to mod characters that SHOULD be in the game but they chose not to put in.
![WUPP_AX_scrnCn17_01_Ev11c[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XHIQ5UE.jpg "WUPP_AX_scrnCn17_01_Ev11c[1].jpg")
>>316526874
And I'm sure this answers the question, right?
>>316527002
>characters that SHOULD be in the game but they chose not to put in.
>hurr put these characters that I want
you sure are entitled for being on 4chan
>>316515270
Are you retarded? Melee is one of the most popular GC games and essentially the only one played in big-name tournaments. Nintendo would be out of their fucking minds to not capitalize on that.
it will be someone no one is talking about
either someone literally no one expects or a major meme character everyone promptly dismissed
>>316527080
Cameo in a KH game.
>>316526989
>Non canon because I say so
top kek
>>316527002
Then fuck you, I guess.
Please update tourney mode with more options
>>316516839
Sakurai:
>"Melee is the sharpest game in the series, It's pretty speedy all around and asks a lot of your coordination skills. Fans of the first Smash Bros. got into it quickly, and it just felt really good to play."
/v/:
>Sharpest because of all the jaggies.
>>316526989
Nice contrarin bait faggot.
But even you have to agree that Smash 4s roster is fucking garbage. Who ACTUALLY gives a shit about Wii fit trainer aside from waifufags?
There are NO good newcomers this time around.
>>316526874
Rare characters over Konami characters?
holy shit kill yourself
WHERE IS MY BOARD THE PLATFORMS
"Last one"?
>>316527002
Heaven helps the man who helps himself anon.
>>316527453
there's no Rare/Microsoft on the credits of Brawl and Smash 4 anon, outside Melee for Perfect Dark.
>wanting perma-dead characters from a pachinko company
>>316526117
>the only difficult thing is the execution barriers
Stopped reading there. You obviously dont play the game or haven't played it into any depth.
>>316521087
I think he meas switching between physics depending on the version you set (Mario Bros, 3, Super, New)
>>316527174
>A couple thousand people play melee still
>Implying that if it was changed AT ALL it wouldn't be instantly dropped
When a community refuses AT ALL to use the patched version of the game, you can't appease them. Also who the fuck would buy it other than them? Why release a game that will compete with continual sales of a product you are still supporting, etc.
A team of people modded brawl to play like melee for free, people that played melee worked on it, and it went fucking nowhere and its a laughing stock.
You are fucking retarded if you think a Melee HD would ever be accepted, especially because I can guarantee you it would use the PAL changes and that alone would be the reason.
>>316527194
and in another nintendo KH game
and Theatherhythm twice
and Explorers
now in Smash
that's six Nintendo appearances Cloud gained so far. he only needs that, being a vidya character, and hold video game history than having shitty proclaimed "strong Nintendo ties"
>>316515473
but sm4sh is objectively better
>>316527901
too bad mario world doesn't have mario world physics
I think smash direct as in the last Iwata Direct. We might still get news about smash,but under a different name.
They need to put fuckin Prime Samus in the game and throw out the spindly-ass plastic cosplay suit she has now.
Change her custom move bullshit to actual weapons from the series
Stop ignoring Prime while acting like Other M is even accepted on any level
Buff every aspect of her because at the time her charge shot is probably absorbed by most characters' clothing
>>316513948
The best part is that no matter what the announcement(s) are, /v/ will either be giddy with joy or a literal salt mine.
>>316526679
>Blaziken
Fuck no. Do we really need another Captain Falcon clone?
