>“We’ve had some organisations where the bigger liability is veterans,” he says. “We spoke to one medium-sized indie game studio who told us, ‘I would rather go bankrupt and live in a cardboard box on the street than support veterans.’
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/13/veterans-charity-accused-of-joining-games-press-in-abandoning-gamers/
>indie devs
Fuck war culture, they are right.
>>316469716
obedient bitches get stitches
>>316469204
But that's true? Lots of vets are unhinged nutcases
Do you remember the screams, /v/? You know the video.
>>316469204
>supporting obsolete crazed people
They're trying to do the right thing, just in the wrong way. They're hating veterans because they blame wars on them for some reason. But it's ridiculous how many people here in America actually think the military is defending our freedumbs.
>>316469204
>>316469204
>>316469204
So basically, corporate corruption and capitalist greed sours something else with innocuous beginnings.
Surprise, fuckin' surprise.
Gotta get that Non-Profit shekel goy.
What is the issue with hiring vets? Most just went in with one enlistment just for that gi bill. Most of them dont even give a shit about the causes by the time they hit e4 and just want out. Hell alot of vets go into decent technical fields.
>>316472047
Must be how others feel about nigger and welfare leeches who aren't working but we aren't allowed to exclude them because of the negatives they cause.
>>316475403
This is ridiculous how many people here in America actually think welfare and entitlements are sustainable and then wonder no one cares when we run un sustainable wars.
Seriously though, it's just emotional pornography so that the masses give up their money for things the government should be fucking doing in the first place.
Soldiers, and anybody who joins the armed forces is a braindead government gimp who can't think for themselves. They contribute nothing to society or to humanity except for killing each other in the sand for a government that sees them as expendible. People should have more respect for themselves than that. People talk about how neccessary war is but one day I genuinely believe people will wise up and stop doing dirty work for their country.
"veterans" and people returning from tours of duty are not "heroes". They're people who got paid to do a job. The only reason they did the job was for the money, and they got paid what they agreed to when they took the job, same as any other. "oh baw but I had to kill people and it made me sad ))):" maybe you shouldnt have fucking done it for a little above minimum wage.
People will call me edgy or whatever but I'm a massive pacifist pussy so I'm actually the opposite.
Was Don Jon any good?
>>316469204
ungrateful little shits would be playing call of duty in real life if it wasnt for veterans HOW ABOUT SOME RESPECT
>>316475703
*tips fedora*
>>316469893
then gamers are all autists, faggots, worthless scum that are a drowning weight on society if you want to say shit like that is true
>defending the Israel foreign legion
>>316475703
As someone who was in the military, almost everything you said was accurate. The only thing I'd change is "anybody who joins the armed forces is a braindead government gimp who can't think for themselves", because that doesn't apply to Air Force (or anyone who's an officer.)
>>316475930
if not supporting a culture that leads to human beings dying means that I wear le silly internet hat then whatever. Do you have anything you actually want to add?
>>316476091
Fair enough. I was more thinking of frontline infantry but there are exceptions. I meant more in terms of joining a broken system in the first place, which I guess still applies to some areas more than others.
>>316476191
*tips fedora*
Military veterans aren't special regardless of what propaganda you wish to push on us.
No, you do not deserve my respect and gratitude because you signed up to tote guns for the government and wash rocks and chose to believe it was for "muh freedom".
>>316476373
*tips fedora*
>>316475703
>Soldiers, and anybody who joins the armed forces is a braindead government gimp who can't think for themselves
There are so many highly specialized positions involved in the line of military work, on top of decent pay and good benefits, that calling a soldier "brain dead" is disingenuous. I'm not saying that grunts and underlings aren't potato-sucking degenerates, but ignoring that military life takes skill is sheer ignorance.
War, or rather the threat of it, is necessary because there will always, ALWAYS be people who will not fear anything but a bullet in their skulls. Again, ignoring this fact is sheer ignorance, and idealistic lunacy.
The rest of your post is decent, but I would think you'd lend a man legitimacy and at least a modicum of respect for putting up with the rigors of war.
I will not call a soldier a hero, but that doesn't mean I will relegate his position to that of a McDonald's worker like a tool.
>pacifist
And yes, you are indeed a pussy, and idiotic to boot.
>>316475703
>People talk about how neccessary war is but one day I genuinely believe people will wise up and stop doing dirty work for their country.
Oui oui, we shall just surrender, take that invaders!
>>316469204
Although it's somewhat dishonest of them, charities should play it safe. Just because they're no longer advocating how generous gamers doesn't mean we should shit on them; this is probably what's best for the vets anyways.
>>316476940
you can be booksmart and join the military, but in my personal view the institution of military itself is one that you have to be inherently dumb to join. Unless you're in a post that doesn't directly result in other people dying. Does such a post exist? I'm genuinely not sure. I have a bad habit of looking at things too broadly, I can admit this. I never said military life required no skill, but I don't agree with military in general.
I agree with you about the unfortunate neccesity of war. But that's just the way things are right now, I don't believe humanity will spend all of its time as a species bombing the fuck out of each other, I think we have more potential than that, and I do believe one day we will see an end of (at least tribal) conflicts. A good way to start is by opposing and challenging the institution that does exactly those things.
Hey! At least a McDonalds worker never ended a life! (outside of supporting the meat industry, but that's a different subject altogether). Think about it that way, that's my line of thinking.
>>316477520
*tips fedora*
Soldiers are not governments, but Americans invading by choice and playing for sympathy afterwards still feels silly. Weird ass culture.
That said, I hope the new charity works out for them. Their intention is good.
>>316477520
Well, I genuinely do not believe in the sanctity of human life so all your points are meaningless to me, but I can empathize with your concerns and congratulate you on having strong principles.
Man, for all his lofty ideals and accomplishments, is still an animal, and subject to instincts distilled and passed on from our less-cultured ancestors, as such tribalism is indeed one of our base instincts and I can't really see us departing from it nor a real benefit in doing so, as it really can't be eradicated. You're just trading in dozens of small tribes for one big one.
>>316477520
Jesus Christ go fuck off to Tumblr you hippy fuck
>>316477984
Hey man that's cool. Seems like we're both gonna need to live for the next thousand years or so to see who was right huh?
>>316478012
Personally I think it's interesting talking to a bunch of anons with different views than me, sorry if I offended you.
>>316477520
>Hey! At least a McDonalds worker never ended a life! (outside of supporting the meat industry
This is making me laugh harder than it should
>>316478195
>apologizing to someone over 4chan
jesus
>>316478592
Pretty touchy, aren't you?
>>316475703
Spoken like a man who never worked a day in his life. I bet you would never have the balls to say that in real life.
>>316469204
All veterans are faggots I havent met one that wasnt a complete douche.
They act as if they have done a great service by standing at a base all day washing rocks and fighting a non existant war.
WW2 vets and prior to that are the only ones I respect.
>>316478887
lol anon I work literally every day. I'm working right now doing some diagrams for sever architecture. What are you doing? Don't generalise people based on their views.
>>316469204
Which Indie Dev?
It bet it was the people who made Gone Home
>fighting for Israel
If you support war, if you support soldiers, you need to be gassed immediately.
>>316479029
this guy gets it
>>316477984
Lining a trench with twigs seems like a really bad idea.
>>316477159
America is not facing anything approaching a serious invasion. If you seriously think going to a desert hundreds of miles away to fight people who probably wouldn't even know what America was has anything to do with protecting people here, you are a dumbass
>>316479317
Wouldn't this be a form of war?
>guess who is next gassing himself
>>316479961
>America is not facing anything approaching a serious invasion
Because we have objectively the best military on Earth, dumbass, among other extremely deadly forces. Why do you think World War 3 hasn't happened? Hint: it sure as fuck ain't because nobody wants to push other peoples shit in anymore.
We went to the middle east because of kikes, oil, and terrorism. 9/11 did indeed happen, so these sand people aren't as innocuous as you wish to let off, as attested by dozens of other incidents through the years since then.
Jesus you people are idiots.
>>316470047
vets, gamers or indie devs?
>>316479907
If a kraut with a flamethrower is near your trench you already have enough to worry about rather than worry about standing next to kindling. Plus its not like wood doused in flaming gasoline/whatever the hell was in flamethrowers in WW1 is any worse than dirt doused in it. And its either line it with twigs and wood or watch as you slowly get buried in the mud when the next rain hits after you've dug out your trench.
>>316476940
>War, or rather the threat of it, is necessary because there will always, ALWAYS be people who will not fear anything but a bullet in their skulls. Again, ignoring this fact is sheer ignorance, and idealistic lunacy.
You are literally retarded if you believe this. The wars fought by the west nowadays are not fought to fend off some evil, its reason like geopolitics, military control of strategic position, keeping the public at bay and simply giving the public a reason to join the army and increase military bugdet, which would probably be a huge problem if there werent "fortunately" those evil guys in the east that will always be a threat.
The west dosent even try to win those fights because a ongoing fight against an enemy that you completely bombed into the stoneage in the 90s and cant even fight you if he wants is more favorable than peace. If they would defeat them then no one would vote for a president who wants to increase taxes and there is simply no reason to keep your army there without the UN and Nato bitching. Its not even supprising that the russian government had more success against "terrorists" in the last few months than the US in 10 years, because they actually tried.
And at last when there are conflicts that require intervention nothing is done, the US fucked off from somalia faster than they came and pro russian troops invaded the ukraine all that came from the west was "nuh uh d-d-dont do that or we might use sanctions that hurt our economy more than ours because you have natural ressources and we dont"
>>316479029
No vet deserves respect. Why are you supporting the ignorance of government?
Anyone who joins the military is just an ignorant government-lover who's ready to die for nothing.
Vets are terrible.
>>316479317
Yeah, anyone who joins the army is stupid. Especially dumbass WWI and WWII soldiers
>>316481004
I didn't imply that war or what the west is doing with its creation of it was good or that it was in opposition to evil, I just said it was necessary because there will always be someone willing to pull the trigger on you over just about anything, and that is not necessarily "evil", and most certainly undesirable. At the very least I must praise the west for getting warcraft down to a science to the point where open war is no longer viable to anyone anywhere, and that is going to be the closest thing to peace we shall ever have.
>>316481382
WW2 vets etc were kinda forced into war bud.
>>316481693
Vietnam war as well.
But of course radicals made it cool to shit on vets back then because shooting commies is somehow wrong.
>There's a job where you could get shot if you picked that job as your job
>Pick job
>get shot
>FUCK
>HELP
>FREE STUFF PLS
>>316481643
There is no necissity. Why do you think half of the world can actually live at peace.
There is no evil boogeyman waiting to take away your freedoms(wells except for your own government that is). The majority of wars are result political or military aggression from the west, the rest are civil wars that are kept within the countries and the west conviniently ignores.
>>316479961
>America is not facing anything approaching a serious invasion
Ever heard of the Cold War and MAD?
>>316482004
>Why do you think half of the world can actually live at peace
Because they have massive militaries that safeguard against the other half of the world.
Why do you wish to think that I think war is some apolitical thing? War is literally politics enforced with violence and I'm not pretending that it is anything but.
The threat of war keeps extreme politics in check you dolt. What, do you seriously think that if the major powers of the world de-militarized and stopped being buddy-buddy with every other piece of shit country, peace would reign? Peace is still within the realm of politics and as such it is a military matter. It is absolutely necessary, as words are meaningless if you cannot prop them up with acts.
Look at European history and how many damn wars they've had, and please take note that as they progress to the modern era there are noticeably less of them, and that they are less intense. Hint- peace wasn't attained because nobody wanted to wage war and reap its spoils, its because every possible opponent made war such a costly endeavor it was no longer profitable en masse.
I mean seriously, what do you think is the driving force behind world peace?
>>316481995
literally this
>>316479317
war = progress
>>316483102
Yeah the germans and the western forces sure let switzerland unharmed 2 WW in a row while fighting right next in front of them because they feared a small ass country and not simply because they minded their own business
>>316483308
It has already been proven by history that cold war is more effective at stimulating progress than actual war.
>>316475703
ok, but most VETERANS were drafted correct? Meaning they didn't have a choice? I can see your point when it comes to people who join nowdays but come on.
>>316483423
>Germany is interested in its ancestor lands, and as such still respects sovereign nations
>neutral country is neutral
>respect their sovereign right to exist unmolested since they are one of the few people uninterested in blowing your ass off the map, e.g. they also respect you in the same manner
>same goes for the Allied powers
For someone that likes to whine about politics you have little knowledge of them.
>>316483783
Also, I'm choosing to ignore Poland for point #1 because I'm not entirely well-versed on the Axis side of the war and I honestly can't remember what the reasons for the invasion were, just why they invaded Austria.
>>316483967
>>316483783
>>316483423
Also, want to know why there are so many damn treaties with the united states from countries all over? Because in exchange for military protection from America we get trade benefits or mutual military protection.
They don't fear the small country, they fear the big one behind it.
Seriously open a history book and observe how the world has operated before you spout bullshit about "muh peace".
>tfw joined chair force
>tfw in comfy office that's cool in the summer, warm in the winter.
>tfw play videogames and shitpost on /v/ all day
>tfw basically became a super neet.
Thank you based chair force.
>>316483483
Some people consider people who fought in the Gulf veterans.
>>316469204
Why would anyone hate veterans this much
Like I can understand hating war, I can understand hating the politicians who start wars, the corporations who profit from them, etc.
But why hate the random pawns who fight the wars? That's exactly what the people who run things behind the scenes would want, it keeps the blame off them. Are these people really that stupid that they think some crippled old man on the street who fought in 'nam has any say in whether wars happen or not?
>>316484441
If you served in the military at any point you are a veteran.
>>316483483
See above, dumbass. Historically all militaries have been maintained by draft, but that is only during times of active and high-intensity war. The draft is now "illegal" in America in that you cannot be forced into one in a time of war where one would be enacted, but male citizens are required to "volunteer"/agree to be drafted in order to obtain their state drivers licenses.
Modern veterans are indeed veterans by choice.
>>316485050
I didn't think the newer age was considered "veterans" yet.
>>316485538
They are though. There isn't an age or a war you must be in to be a proper military veteran, the only requirement is that you have served your contract with the military, and even if you are discharged negatively you're still a veteran as you still served, you just don't have any of the benefits the government gives to well-behaved vets. I know the popular image of a military veteran is a crochety fuck from WW2, Korea, or Vietnam, but all people in the military become veterans when they leave as that is what the word means- according to google:
>A veteran (from Latin vetus, meaning "old") is a person who has had long service or experience in a particular occupation or field
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