>some people unironically prefer beating down the sandbags that are the enemies of DMC3 and 4 over taking part in the dance of death that is fighting actually agressive enemies in Ninja Gaiden Black / Sigma, Ninja Gaiden II / Sigma 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Sometimes you scare me with your shitty opinions, /v/.
Where are my bros at? I'm playing through Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus on my Vita, since the pack with 1 and 2 got discounted this week. It performs better than I would expect, but I'd rather play the PS3 version.
>Praising RE
>Praising Sigma 2
>vita
get the fuck out of here with his shit
>>316450108
>people unironically like what I don't like
>>316450538
not him but even in RE the enemies were more aggressive than DMC desu
>>316450108
Devil May Cry 1's enemies are also better for this. Not only were they better from a visual level, but their AI was much more aggressive compared to later games.
Sometimes I think people forget that well designed enemies are part of a game having great combat. Why the fuck do you think everyone loves Grace and Glory.
>>316450108
> Vita
> Sigma
> 3
>>316450538
>"Razor's Edge is bad" meme
>"Sigma 2 is bad" meme
>"Vita is a joke" meme
Am I on reddit or something?
Razor's Edge fixed 80% of the problems of the original NG3 and made it a worthy title in the franchise. The only bad parts about the game now are the stupidly bad final boss fight and the T-Rex boss.
Sigma 2 censors the blood and dismemberment to a degree and it has less enemies on screen in some areas, but it actually meant that the game was running at constant 60 fps, unlike the original Ninja Gaiden II which would have TERRIBLE fps lots of times. Plus, it has the fantastic greatsword weapon and other quality of life changes.
The Vita is simply a perfect portable machine. If you actually had one, you'd know that. The screen is beautiful, the controls are the best available on a portable system yet, the games are cheap, lots of japanese titles, plus remote control with the PS4.
>>316450609
It's not a subjective matter, anon. Why would anyone prefer playing a game where enemies don't fight back over the game that actually presents a challenge?
>>316450840
I didn't mention DMC1 there because of the reasons you mentioned. That game was amazing, it actually HAD enemy AI, unlike DMC3 and 4. Plus, dat atmosphere.
Too bad DMC will never go back to its glorious roots...
>>316451030
i don't like how SoB requires you to wait for an enemy to do something. passive mechanics like that in action games are really gay
but without it i'd be totally buttfucked on higher difficulties
it's a strange game. i'm not sure if it's good or bad. the missions are delicious though, i don't think i'll ever finish them all
>>316451224
>it's not a subjective matter because I said so
>>316451030
>If you actually had one, you'd know that
>>316451326
You shouldn't be waiting around, just keep the flow of combat and use steel on bone whenever possible. Never stop, my man. I love how the kill count in NG3: RE is so high, it literally has more aggressive enemies and more enemies in general than any other hack n' slash / 3D Beat 'em up / 3D Brawler out there.
One of the later missions that take place in a battleship is absolutely amazing because of how badass Ryu Hayabusa is, try to get to that part. I also love how all three games are tied together so closely (love getting the sword back in the 'cemetery' in NG3:RE). And being able to play as the other ninjas is so fucking good... By the way, the online modes were surprisingly competent.
>>316451675
Having a game like Ninja Gaiden on a portable system is a miracle unto itself, I can tolerate the lower than normal framerate for Sigma 1 and 2 Plus. I can't excuse the shitty frame rate on the original versions, though.
what's with NG fags and always comparing their shit to DMC? are they just salty because DMC is far more popular?
>>316451357
Picking something worse means you are retarded
>b-but its my opinion to eat shit!
>>316451950
>DMC
>more popular
Call me when any DMC game gets ported to handheld systems due to public demand or get any spin-off titles.
>>316451951
>it's worse because I don't die every ten seconds
How's it feel to be so pathetic you think difficulty is all that matters in a game? You NGfags are fucking desperate for attention, you know that? Consider this the last bit of crumbs you'll get in your dead thread.
>>316451950
He's a special kind of retard who can't enjoy both and will eat up any shit they put out in his preferred series
>>316452217
If NG is such a shitty series, why are you in a thread about it? Oh, maybe it's because there are no DMC threads...
Implying DMC is somehow better and/or in this fucking world and the next than Ninja Gaiden.
What the actual fuck.
>>316452217
> I die every ten seconds when I play Ninja Gaiden.
Utter fucking scrub.
>>316450108
Devil May Cry games are more fun, deal with it.
>>316450108
So is this like ironic shitposting that people do to start Monster Hunter threads, or is this actual shitposting?
>>316452651
I disagree with your statement.
>he didn't play NG3:RE because he didn't like NG3 Vanilla, thus depriving himself of having fun with Ryu, Ayane, Momiji and Kasumi, the best girl
Your loss.
>>316452886
You are entitled to your opinion so long are you aren't a shitter like the OP.
>>316452957
In fairness, Ayane, Momiji, and Kasumi are kinda shallow and almost play the exact same as Ryu, with a few slight differences here and there.
One thing the DMC games definitely have over NG are the multiple playable characters. At least the DMC team fleshes out their other characters.
Remember when they had to re released DMC 3 because people kept complaining how hard the game was.Yeah the DMC games may not have aggressive enemies but that doesn't stop the games from being challenging.
>>316452957
I am playing Kasumi. She's alright. I'm a shitter but the midair stomp is my go-to move since it destroys everything
I definitely don't appreciate the fucking unlock though and the fact that I still need to do Story with Ryu to have it available for the rest
>>316453195
That definitely was not the reason why it had to be re-released. Also, the only aggressive enemies in DMC3 and 4 are some of the bosses, while in NG, even the first enemies can kick your ass if you're not cautious.
>>316453374
Just fucking finish it already with Ryu, it's not that long.
>>316453383
>Also, the only aggressive enemies in DMC3 and 4 are some of the bosses, while in NG, even the first enemies can kick your ass if you're not cautious.
>not the spiders in DMC3 whose names I'm forgetting
>not the high-level demons
>not the Fallen
>not the Frosts
>not Blitzes
I want to play Ninja Gaiden but my fucking Xbox broke and for some reason despite being a very popular game it never got ported to any other fucking consoles.
>>316453460
It's long when you want to get the higher difficulties too.
I shut my brain down and slammed through Easy i.e. no retries needed mode but it still took 6 hours
>>316453539
You can literally shoot Blitzes to death while gently stepping to the sides whenever they charge electricity and they're the most aggressive enemies in all modern DMC games.
>>316453712
Sigma, Sigma 2 - PS3.
Sigma Plus, Sigma 2 Plus - PS Vita.
Ninja Gaiden II - Xbox 360
Ninja Gaiden 3: RE - Wii U (shit version), Xbox 360, PS3
>>316453773
>Playing on normal
>>316453712
Ninja Gaiden 1 got ported as NG Black to something else and NG Sigma to PS3.
>>316453883
I'm literally talking about how much better Ninja Gaiden is than DMC because of difficulty and enemy aggressiveness. Do you really think I played DMC on normal?
NG4 when
>>316453868
Yeah, but I'm autistic and I want to play from the beginning.
Are the sigma games worth a damn though?
>>316453868
What's so shit about Ninja Gaiden 3: RE on the Wii U?
>>316450108
>OP got mad in another thread and had to make a thread to circle jerk.
Different games are good for different reasons
>>316454108
They are. They're remake / ports, with some things changed here and there (some bosses removed, some bosses added, some weapons removed, some weapons added, different gameplay loop in Sigma 2 etc). Sigma 1 is very good and objectively better than the original and Black versions. Sigma 2 divides the fanbase, since it basically changes how the game plays out. While Ninja Gaiden II had tons of enemies that could be killed in very few hits, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 has fewer enemies with much more health, meaning they put out more of a fight.
>>316454134
Frame rate drops like crazy, as far as I've heard, and it doesn't have some of the costumes that are available for the NG3:RE PS3 and X360 versions.
>>316454134
Haven't played it, but a friend said that it has a lot of slowdown compared to the 360/PS3 versions. Not sure if there was anything else.
>>316453868
Why no PC fuck
I had 2 for 360 and really want to play it again, but have no idea where it is
>There will never be Ninja Gaiden 2 Black
Fuck you Koei Tecmo
ninja gaiden is better than dmc but they're both the same press dodge to win bullshit, they're the kind of games that make fighting game players think beatemups are button mashers
>>316450108
>playing the Vita versions
Almost got me with your NG2 image, but I'm not your "bro", sorry.
>>316455071
>ninja gaiden
>press dodge to win
It's like you've never played the game.
>>316451030
It is nice how you talked about the Vita but never mentioned that both NG version there are objectively worse than its PS3 counterparts and also run like shit.
Also, I always mention the same in these threads: I don't really give a shit about Original vs. Sigma because at the end of the day is only scrubs fighting for their favorite company, but you clearly didn't play enough -or at all- NG2 if you believe what you wrote.
Finally RE is mediocre at best and the only "argument" people have is "b-but is better than vanilla!", but it has nothing else going for it.
>>316454503
>Sigma 1
>objectivley better than Black
You're either a retard or a casual shitter if you actually believe this.
>>316455071
>ninja gaiden
>press dodge to win
lmao where do you even dodge to
>>316452079
I often consider this the biggest hidden game on the DS
>>316451030
>The Vita is simply a perfect portable machine
you know, except for the fucking games part. I dont care how good the hardware is, it has no fucking games and I regret buying it.
The only -really- good Ninja Gaiden games are the OG on Xbox, and if you're playing on Xbox, you best be playing Black.
Ninja Gaiden 2/Sigma 2 is decent, but its not on the level of the original. 3 is a fucking abomination, and Razors Edge puts it into the passable range.
>>316456271
if you're expecting western games or localizations you simply bought the wrong console
>>316456338
>western games and localizations
what the fucks left then, localizations, implying japanese games, so just indie shit?
>>316456585
no shit, you buy consoles for japanese games. console western games have always been shit, if you're not playing them on a PC you're doing something wrong
Oh nice. A Ninja Gaiden thread. Too bad that it had to start off with OP shitposting on other games for no reason.
Anyway, here are my hopes for Ninja Gaiden 4, if it ever comes out.
1. Directed by Itagaki. No one else. Hayashi ain't fit to direct the NG games.
2. The speed and fluidity and visceral nature of Ninja Gaiden 2's combat system.
3. The smart enemy placements of Ninja Gaiden Black.
4. Enemies should have the exact same health as the enemies in Ninja Gaiden 2. No HP sponges like in Sigma 2 or in 3.
5. Enemies should also have movesets as varied as in Ninja Gaiden Black. Also make them equally intelligent. The regular enemies in Ninja Gaiden 2 are not as smart.
6. ALL weapons from previous games must return, along with maybe 5-6 new weapons.
7. No more fixed camera angles.
8. No more mandatory female chapters. Ayane, Rachel, Kasumi and Momiji all suck in terms of combat feel compared to Ryu. Make them optional side quests, not mandatory in the main campaign.
9. Remove the grinding for yellow essence. This is one thing Sigma 2 did right. Too often when I do a new playthrough of NGB or NG2, I find myself grinding particular areas so that I can max out weapons. Make the yellow essence requirements more lenient to eliminate grinding.
10. Return to the dash of NG1/NG2 rather than the slide of NG3.
>>316457793
Yes, all of this would be great.
What do you suppose would be great for new weapons?
I'd want some kind of gauntlet/greaves weapon, so I can punch and kick enemies to death.
>>316457793
>1. Directed by Itagaki.
At least try to make your dream believable
Should I buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 1 and 2 for vita since they're on sale right now?
Never played a Ninja Gaiden game before and have no access to an xbox or 360 to play Black
>>316458120
>>316458110
>>316457793
Whats the new game that Team ninja is doing? Nioh?
Looks kinda like Dark Souls meets Onimusha meets Ninja Gaiden. Shuld be gud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMXncaX0q4w
>>316457793
i'd rather make the main campaign with Ryu NOT mandatory. fuck having to beat everything with him first when i want to run the chapters with another character
>>316458213
They are trash compared to Xbone/PS3, so if you dare to play them better I don't caught you complainin' here
>>316452472
If NG is such a not-shitty series, why is it dead?
>>316458239
>Looks kinda like Dark Souls meets Onimusha meets Ninja Gaiden.
That seems like an appropriate descriptor.
Looks pretty good too.
But between that and everything else TN is doing, I don't think they're going to be working on a new NG for quite some time.
>>316458110
I'd add maybe halberds, glaives or axes. The Lunar Staff is godlike, but I want a more spear/halberd-like weapon as well with lots of stabbing.
>>316458120
I don't care. I don't want anyone else to do it. All the Hayashi games are horrendous compared to the Itagaki ones. If Ninja Gaiden 4 isn't gonna be called Ninja Gaiden 4, then at least Itagaki can make a spiritual successor in his new Valhalla Studios that is exactly like Ninja Gaiden but isn't called it.
>>316458239
The Dark Souls influence on the combat seems to be minimal. Aside from supposedly having online interactions like Dark Souls, the combat itself is more the speed of Onimusha combined with the flashiness of Ninja Gaiden. If you listen carefully, the swordsman in the Nioh trailer has the EXACT SAME sound effects for his sword weapon as Ryu's katana in the Ninja Gaiden games. I'm looking forward to this game.
>>316458543
I am more then happy to see new IP's come to light.
I really like the look of Nioh and I hope more people try and make new games instead of rehashing shit left and right.
>>316458213
Sigma is also on ps3
>>316458586
>I'd add maybe halberds, glaives or axes.
Idk, seems like they've pretty much exhausted almost any type of weapon already. Can't see how anything new they could come up with would be any different from what we've gotten already.
>>316458586
>All the Hayashi games are horrendous
Except for 5LR which isn't a steaming pile of shit for once
>>316450108
>NGfag superiority complex
>>316458948
I love Twilight Sparkle!
>>316458213
The Vita games run at barely 30 fps, whereas the console versions run at 60 fps.
>>316457793
I'd like all these with
11: NG:1's Open world environment
>>316457793
>>316454078
>Ninja Gaiden 4
Never ever, my friend. Ninja Gaiden is dead. Ryu is now a DOA character only, since they managed to fuck with the brand's name with NG3 vanilla and Yaiba: Ninja Gaiden Z.
>>316457793
Itagaki's time is over. After Devil's Turd, he might as well retire now from the industry. NG1 and NG2 were clearly a fluke.
>>316452079
>public demand
Oatmeal cookie's daughter literally asked him to make a game for her
That's literally the sole reason this game exists
>>316460260
I think they're going to concentrate on other things first before moving back to Ninja Gaiden.
Wouldn't be surprised if they rebooted it again.
>>316462806
Yeah, they'd probably reboot it. The franchise has literally nowhere to go after II. NG3 had a weird story.
>>316451950
I wish people would stop using salty. It's really fucking annoying. Use another word you moron.
>>316462806
If they are going to do anything they'll make more spin offs just for the female DOA characters so they can keep selling overpriced costume DLC.
>>316452957
>fucking wizards.jpg
>same physichal class as you except damage sponges
>can't lift them until they're dead already because fuck you
>look up Kasumi in RE
>she can instantly lift up anyone to "Izuna drop"
>lift and drop a wizard 6 times
>barely any damage
>play co-op challenges
>every interesting enemy is a reharsh from NG1-2
>later challanges are just the bosses respawning a couple of times
>literally Genshin seven times
>literally Evil Ryu a dozen times
>every other challenge starts with a couple fucking Genshin
So much fun
>>316458393
>play NGZ
>except shit because reviews
>actually a good game
Yeah it isn't on the same level as any NG (it is better than 3 though) but it is pretty good for a cheap cash in.
>>316456120
This.
Had lots of fun with it.
>>316450108
NG II isn't a very good example. While I put it over every DMC game except the first one, the game was a button masher on the second difficulty (and no doubt the first), mentor or whatever it was called wasn't too hard either and master ninja was a retarded i-frame abusing clusterfuck because enemies would do nothing but grab you and throw projectiles from off screen. It's a good example of visceral combat, not enemy or stage design.
NGB on the other hand, that game has yet to be topped.
>>316466469
Sorry but that whole post reads "I never got good at NG2"
Not your fault tho, is to be expected from a NGBaby
>>316466710
I got bored halfway through MN because it's literally just abusing i-frame moves nonstop. It's shit. Unlike NGB which actually gets better with each difficulty (it also adds new enemies and bosses) here it's just boring. I'm playing a ninja, I'm not supposed to think "what move should I abuse here so I have enough i-frames?"
Oh right, I'm never going to play it since NG3 left such a bad taste in my mouth but does RE significantly improve things? All I remember from 3 was sitting in a room killing wave after wave of enemies just so the next room unlocked. Now the previous games also had waves of enemies they were just disguised very well so you never quite felt there were endless waves in a single area.
>>316453712
If you have a 360 you can play NGB, I'm pretty sure you can buy it digitally. It's one of the very few games that actually works well with backwards compatibility.
>>316466882
If you didn't like NG2, you will hate Razor's Edge since basically the better parts of that shit are the worse of NG2
>>316457793
>1. Directed by Itagaki. No one else. Hayashi ain't fit to direct the NG games.
Judging by Devil's Third Itagaki doesn't seem fit to direct either. The series is dead, it's time to move on.
>>316466981
I said I liked NG II. I'd rate it as a 4/5. I didn't like MN at all though. The enemies and bosses were a step back overall from NGB. Now that I think about it, NG3 had even shittier enemies and bosses. They weren't passable like the ones in NG II, they were actually shit.
I've only played Sigma, though I loved it.
Is Black really the superior version? Enough for me to track it down?
>>316466882
RE fixes everything in NG3 that could be fixed. It's still not as good as NG2, but it's not bad either. Definitely worth checking out if you liked NG2, just don't expect the level design to have changed.
>>316450108
Ninja Gaiden is nice and all but it isn't as stylish as Devil May Cry.
>>316458239
>Only on playstation
Well, fuck you too.
>>316459559
>whereas the console versions run at 60 fps
But that fucking stair climb on 2 though.
>No new standalone Ayane NG game.
Gay as fuck, desu.
Also Blossom of Miyama is the best costume.
>>316467337
No, Sigma is the better version of the first one. Only Sigma 2 / II is debatable.
The canon best versions are:
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 1
Ninja Gaiden II
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
>>316467574
Smooth 60 fps in Sigma 2, unlike the slideshow at 6 fps that it is in NG II.
>>316467860
What's the difference between NGB and Sigma?
>>316467729
fucking yes please, just make NG into spinoffs with Ayane.
>>316450108
>I'm playing through Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus on my Vita
No you aren't, you're shitposting on /v/ you lying faggot.
>>316458239
I hope this is good, but Koei-Tecmo puts out the most misrepresentative/fraudulent trailers of all time as far as nip companies go so I'm not getting excited for it just yet.
>>316450108
>tfw no 360
It hurt, I have NGS2 and it's amazing but lack of blood and low number of enemies piss me off when I know the 360 doesn't these problems.
>>316457793
>1. Directed by Itagaki. No one else. Hayashi ain't fit to direct the NG games.
Opinion discarded.
Hayashi tried to pander to normalfags and fucked up, yes. But he admitted his mistake and fixed the game as fast as he could and the result was more than decent.
Itagaki would never do something like this. Devil Third is shit and he's still saying that it's just because we have no tastes.
>Play DMC
>Fucking damage sponges
>Le 100 combos meme
>Play Revengeance
>Things dying in 2-3 hits like NG and hit hard
With Hayashi trying to turn NG into DMC I don't expect much from NG4.
>>316471635
They're actually trying to turn NG into Dark Soul, kek
>>316471352
The amount of attention to details in animations of black is far better than ng2/3
>>316450108
DMC has better bosses and story but i'll give you the enemies some of them do just sit around and do jack shit.
>>316450108
I love DMC3 but also love Ninja Gaiden Black
every other modern NG game is dogshit though, including vanilla 2.
Reminder that Ninja Gaiden Black is coming to PC in Q1 2016.
>>316450108
nunja gaiden black gave me ptsd
never have i played a more difficult game (even with the blue belt)
>>316472218
Fucking kek
>>316472616
good fucken joke, team ninja doesnt release shit for the PC. The chances of getting ninja gaiden trilogy on ps4 is higher than getting NGB on PC
>>316474109
But DOA5
>>316474549
If anything you'd get one of Hayashi's aids infested entries. He might even further molest Sigma 1 just because.
>>316451030
>>"Sigma 2 is bad" meme
>because the first sigma was not casualized enough
>lets take the gore and make the game even more easy
>>316451030
>but it actually meant that the game was running at constant 60 fps,
yeah on the Xbox
a WAY waker machine than the Playstation 3
>>316454134
because its on the wiiu
>>316460761
Is that fucking Yu Suzuki? What is he doing there?
fug. Should I buy NG for Vita? I finished Black and NG2 on Xbox, will I be disappointed with Sigma and Vita port?
>>316450108
The only problem DMC combat has is that you have won 90% of the battles as soon as you take it to the air.
>>316450108
OG Xbox shitters were the worst back then and they are still the worst now.
>le sigma2 is garbage meme
Literally the only bad things Sigma 2 have are no blood and one mission where they cut some enemies. It is superior in every other way
DMC is more stylish, Ninja Gaiden is more brutal
tbf which would you show to your friends, high level DMC videos or Ninja Gaiden?
