Project M > Melee > Smash 4 > Smash 64 > Shit < Brawl
Well okay, but how does Brawl rate compared to the other Smash games?
You kind of messed up your blind hate joke at the end there.
>>315719828
>>315719845
lolwhoops
>>315719676
Put Four before shit and I'll agree.
Melee > PM > 64 > Rivals > Shit > trash bore = Brawl
>>315722209
>rivals
>>315719676
Melee > PM > 64 > My Ass > 4&Brawl
reminder
>>315719676
Brawl>4>Mario party>melee>64
Never played project m
>>315722431
>tfw not a shitter
Why Ganon in Melee though? I've always thought he was a bro-as-fuck character, and generally easy as shit to beat
>>315722431
>64 empty
Perfect.
>>315722431
>Pikachu mains not shitters in 64
>Peach mains shitter in Melee
Pretty much spot on with Smash 4, though I would also add Wario and Ganon. Heavy shitters are always the most obnoxious of the bunch for some reason.
>>315722431
i just use ness because earthbound is one of my favorite games
Why am I a shitter?
>>315722712
Not sure. People on /v/ and /vg/ seem to be obsessed with Ganon, though. I'm guessing because he's super strong and requires no real tech skill outside of l-cancelling maybe?
I would replace him with Ice Climbers, honestly. Wobbling was a mistake.
>>315722590
good taste anon
Why are P:M fags the absolute worst people in the smash fanbase?
Why Captain Falcon though?
>>315723145
Too bad for Melee, too hip for Sm4sh.
>>315722431
>not kirby mains in 64
kirby is the cancer of competitive 64.
>>315719676
>boyfriend spending the weekend at a project m tournament instead of talking to me
awful game desu
>>315723046
>no real tech-skill out of l-cancelling though
Surely you mean wave-landing? He's downright mediocre otherwise.
>>315724893
Forgot about that
>>315724893
>playing ganon without l-cancelling
you let me know how that goes mate.
>>315722431
>I cant beat PK Fire
>I cant beat fucking Meme Falcon
>Mario
Holy shit you are terrible
>>315725013
Poor phrasing; I meant that wave-landing is an equally essential part of any Ganon's toolkit.
>>315722431
>hating all fundamental heavy characters
>muh tech skill and rapid button pushing
>>315725093
They're top-tier for a reason, and that reason is down-throw.
>PK Fire
But nobody uses that move unless you're playing online.
>>315722431
Peach is actually really technical though.
Sheik/Puff is accurate easymode though.
>>315725458
>jigglypuff
>easy mode
You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>315723046
>Get beat by Ganon player
>'u jst got beat by ganon lol disreprekt'
>Beat Ganon player
>'i only lost cuz ganon sucks lol'
Everyone on /v/.
>>315725457
>Ness
Not even close
>Falcon
Sorta, but not really
>Mario
Again, he has a good one but its not his whole game
They arent even at the top of the tier list. Falcon and Mario arent even Top 10
>>315725581
Even hbox admits Jiggs players can get far on gimmicks and lack of techskill.
>>315725970
Who is Top 10 though
Melee=PM>64>Brawl>Smash 4
Yes, Brawl is better than Smash 4. At least you have frame traps out the ass and a decent punish game. Smash 4 is a watered down Brawl with a pretty coat of paint. Single player in 4 is also a joke, if you want to talk about that too.
tru faam
>>315726581
Shit, how do I get my foobar to look like this? I haven't been to /mu/ for probably years now.
>>315726193
In no order
Shiek, Rosa, Pikachu, Sonic, Luigi, ZSS, Diddy Ness, Meta Knight, Fox
>>315726784
My foobar looks like shit compared to the rest of the /mu/tants. You cna go in the settings and get all this shit w/ standard presets
>>315727014
>MK
>Not mario
shit list
The only smash game worth playing at a competitive level is melee unless you're some kind of 64 prodigy.
>>315727140
>not just a picture of the blast zone animation covering Fox
>>315727014
>Nerfed Luigi
>Meta Knight
>No Yoshi
>>315727014
Falcon and Mario have way more results than MK.
>>315727140
Falcon doesn't have a back kick
>>315727201
>>315727234
It's better this way. Trust me.
>>315727408
it would make a LOT more sense if it was Fox Bairing Falcon
>>315727408
Melee > 64 > PM > Smash 4 > Brawl
>>315727210
Luigi can still tornado kill its just not true anymore and reliant on DI reading, he got more combos due to the "nerf" than he had before and his Dair is better
He's honestly a better character now just harder
Yoshi isnt top ten/
>>315727216
MK also recently got buffs and is picking steam up. He will get those numbers easily. He's far better than Falcon, the only argument is Mario
64=Melee>Sm4sh>Brawl
Pm>Melee>64>Rivals>SDremix>SSF2>Sm4sh>Crusade>Brawl->PSASBR>Brawl
/autism
>M2Ks Twitter
This is the end
>>315722431
>64 has no kirby
>melee has no marth
>sm4sh doesn't have "all characters"
0/10
>>315729101
>I really truely have no motivation for anything
He's going to hang himself with a GC controller wire just you wait
sm4sh>project M>brawl>melee>64
>>315722431
>>315729218
Melee marth isn't for shitters though...
>>315729218
Marth's recovery is trash, unlike Peach/Puff. That's what separates the good Marth players from the bad ones.
>>315728648
look if you're gonna be a flaming faggot why don't you add in brawl + and - too
>>315722431
64 falcon is the most brain dead character it all of smash
>>315722431
>ness
>shitter
literally git gud, ness is his own nerf
>>315729648
>The whole smash 4 roster vertical
>>315729382
Switch 64 with melee and you're good. Also I noticed you accidently put the list backwards, you should probably fix that first.
>>315722431
>getting upset about Wario
>>315722431
64
>No Kirby in U-Tilt pose
>No Pikachu with janky Up-B
Melee
>k
PM
>No Cuntdestroy (AKA: Lucas)
WiiU
>ZSS and Luma
>>315719676
THIS
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I
S
>>315730281
Most PM Warios just GO so he's not really wrong.
I swear, you PMfags are fucking cancer with your bias bullshit
>>315730281
>GO
>GO
>GO
>>315729648
kek'd
>Project Missfire already flew off into total irrelevancy oblivion
fuggetaboutit
>>315730613
It's bigger than ever in terms of players senpai
>>315719676
>>315719676
No man Melee is really better than PM.
>>315722431
Fuck off Ganondorf is cool, especially in melee
>>315719676
>project M over anything
I need a Melee anon's help. I have a Benq 1ms monitor and I want to hook up my gamecube to it. Is there a composite to hdmi adapter that won't blow the response time/delay way up? I don't really want to go buy a CRT.
>>315730979
I'm in the same boat. I've been looking for a CRT forever and it seems like I started looking right after everyone in my family threw theirs away
>>315730979
Just google that shit dude.
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/26got5/quick_followup_to_miom_lag_article/
>>315730979
I bought a CRT for $15 not too long ago, that would probably cost less than an adapter.
>>315719676
>>315730979
As far as I know you need a CRT. Sorry, anon. You could maybe get a really small cheap one you could use to transport easily, too.
>>315731181
>MH
>>315731181
>64
kek
Why do Meleefags hate PM fags
>Not being part of the glorious PM and Melee master race
>>315731115
This kind of lead me to the same issue. Does the Wii2HDMI converter work on a gamecube? I thought they had different output signals.
>>315725827
Ganon is the Dan of smash.
>playing a character with a permanent real life option select
Pleb tier.
>>315730979
Just emulate and use VGA or DisplayPort.
>inb4 emulation isn't the real thing
It's PRETTY fucking close. And it looks better too. And you can have neato hacks which makes things a little more convenient such as not having to unlock anything and going straight to character select.
>>315731343
Playing both is a waste of time.
>>315719676
>Smash 4 > Smash 64
>>315731581
where is his nose
>>315731343
As a meleefag, I don't hate PM at all. I actually really enjoy it.
At the same time though, there's something about melee that's just...idk
It's fucking perfect.
PM has way more content, way more characters. In all respects it should be better. But people keep coming back to melee for some reason. Even though they're literally supposed to be almost 1-1 clones.
>>315731529
I don't know if my toaster could handle running it. It's a piece of shit laptop that can handle playing league of Legends on occasion or various indie games.
>>315731669
People go back to Melee because Twitch hates PM and Nintendo would never sponsor it
>>315731356
Just buy a wii with a broken disc drive and homebrew it. They're super cheap and 20xx has a lot of really cool training stuff.
>>315731804
Nope. What you said is literally straight up wrong.
>>315730931
>implying anything can be worse than Brawl and tr4sh
>>315731804
It saddens me that this happened tot he game honestly.
But I'm literally just talking about PM itself. I don't give a fuck about what nintendo thinks, I just like melee a little better.
Both are excellent games and I have nothing but respect for the PM dev team for what they accomplished.
...I've thought about it and I honestly kinda just think it's how everyone in PM kinda has auto combos desu.
You don't need to git gud, to be good in PM..
Things are just sorta, handed to you a little bit more
>>315731806
So it doesn't run off of a gamecube then?
Does any other anon know of a decent composite to HDMi converter?
>>315729382
>>315729382
Switch PM and Melee and this is the true list.
>>315730057
Fucking this. Although honestly I'd put brawl at the bottom of the list. That game is shit and will forever be shit.
It's a ghost for a reason.
People play every single smash to this day except for Brawl. Even 64 has more entrants now.
I think the main reason I dislike project meme is because wavedashes feel fucking sloppy compared to melee, even frame ferect wavedashes feel weird in pm, a frame perfect wd in melee feels so fucking smooth, that's mainly why pm will never > melee
Project M>Melee>64>Sm4sh>Brawl
Project M is Melee with better stages, better and more characters, better balancing, better graphics and you can customize it, so, you can have Sm4sh stages, Sm4sh character models, random video game characters' models over already existing characters, Ridley and soon even K.Rool.
Melee is fast-paced, Samus and Ganondorf don't suck, gap between scrub and good player is larger and noobs can't afford just spamming shit and running around like in future games.
64 is also fast-paced and yet simple, its 2nd most balanced and those fucking hit sounds.
Sm4sh is too simplified, balancing is shit, single-player stuff is shit, characters like Pac Man and Sonic are too fucking annoying and still easy to beat so you just get annoyed, Samus is shit, stages are filled with hazards and then there is shit like Palutena's Temple and Orbital Gate.
Brawl has tripping and its too defensive.
>>315732657
Pretty much this
>>315732510
It's the physics mang.
The engine does everything in its power to ruin your day.
Brawl needs to just die. Every single iota of code programmed into that game was garbage. It's the anti-melee of smash, taken to an extreme.
>>315732657
>64
>those fucking hit sounds
I miss those so much.
Those and the skeletons when characters got shocked.
And the animated character models on the character selection screen.
And board the platforms.
>>315732657
You mean PM is Melee with more duplicate stages, subjectively flatter balancing, better graphics, and customizing capabilities. Those guys did a great job, but they simplified the game in tons of ways. It is just as fun as melee, but melee has more variety. Sm4sh does have some balancing issues, but if you think 64 is more balanced than Sm4sh then you are freaking retarded. You bitch about variety and how much little shit bugs you, when you have multiple stages that are flat with no hazards.... Yes, Brawl tried too hard to casual everything. We all know that.
>>315732012
List 20 autocombos that aren't present in Melee then.
>>315732913
Oh, forgot about the skeletons. If only they wouldn't remove them...Then again, that would probably not work well in game like Sm4sh.
>>315733168
yeah, what would they do with ROB or GnW's skeletons
>>315733581
Something unique like Kirby/Jigglypuff or Samus in Smash 64.
>>315731181
fucking perfect
>>315732510
>I think the main reason I dislike project meme is because wavedashes feel fucking sloppy compared to melee
I find this is so exaggerated. Given, I haven't played Melee since the early 2000's and I've been playing PM since 2.5 consistently. I had a melee session with friends the other day and I was able to wavedash with a near 1:1 accuracy and I learned how to wavedash in PM in the first place.
I am 99% sure this complaint is pure nitpicking.
>>315732980
PM's balancing is objectively better than Melee's. Gap between worst and best character isn't as large here as in Melee. And the only thing they really simplified is imput window for ATs, but thats not much. Also, what duplicate stages?
There are more viable characters in 64 than in 4 (im counting by % of course).
I said nothing about varierity. And while many of PM's stages are some variation of Battlefield, its better than a stage where giant duck comes every minute and fucks everything up, stage where you can't tell where you can stand and where you can't, stage so giant that killing anyone is hard, stage that literally was made in MS Paint, stage with giant yellow shit taking up half of it for a while, stage where you can get KOed just by touching part of it that isn't even a blast zone and so on. There are fun stages, there are stages that let you fight your opponent properly without anything interrupting it and then there are Sm4sh stages.
>>315722997
This. I main Lucas and ness because I love mother 3 and earthbound. I dont feel guilty for using ness at all.
>>315727014
Mario is better than meta knight, luigi, and fox.
>Ness is fun as hell in PM and 64
>bottom of the barrel in Melee
>try hard tier in Sm4sh with the added benefit of not being fun to play
Woah, i believe there are a bigger concentration of Project meme babies here than at their last tournament.
Way to go. /v/
>>315734362
>There are more viable characters in 64 than in 4 (im counting by % of course).
So a game with two characters where one is complete shit and the other is great would have decent balance?
>>315734546
>try hard tier in Sm4sh with the added benefit of not being fun to play
How did they manage this? I don't understand.
He's not even that much different from what I can tell but he's not nearly as fun anymore. What the fuck happened?
One thing I do remember is you can't charge your yoyo anymore. Fuck that.
>>315734689
No, it would be shit because 50% of the cast is shit.
>>315735123
but it would have significantly better balance than Brawl.
>>315734546
>Samus is fun and good in Melee and PM
>shit in Brawl
>abso-fucking-lutely disgusting in 4 and not fun either
>>315733967
>link's sword and shield are bones
>>315735190
Thats not hard to do. You can have 1 viable character out of 1000 and you'll still have better balancing than Brawl with its Meta Knight and ICs.
>>315735385
>not making your sword and shield out of the bones of people that dared to oppose you
how do you even live with yourself?
>>315735385
This is canon. Have you never played a LoZ game?
>>315735385
>Samus' skeleton is a single bone shaped like a woman
>>315731181
What the fuck PM's image even means? And what he fuck last image has to do with 0-Death: The Game?
>>315735385
Well, the master sword IS Fi technically. I got nothing on the shield.
>>315735606
Makes since because she is part bird and birds don't have skeletons.
>>315735639
Its made of some whachamacallit's shell. Here. Asspull, but whatever.
>>315735728
...then what the hell are those things that are left after you eat a chicken?
>>315735773
What the fuck does a chicken have to do with birds?
>>315735773
Chickens aren't birds, cluck kek.
>>315735728
>birds don't have skeletons
>>315735814
>>315735870
Chicken is a bird. And i ate a pigeon at some point too and they have same solid things under all of that meat too. And im sure they are birds.
Brawl>Project M>4>Melee>64But I'm in the minority even when around non-MeleefagsBrawl Fox is best Fox
>>315736073
Brawl isn't as shit as it's led to be.
It literally has more techs than Smash 4.
If you take away tripping and MetaKnight being a bit too OP, then you have a really solid game better than Smash 4
>>315735728
>and birds don't have skeletons.
>>315736073
Wow. This is the most wrong opinion someone can have.
>>315736167
Thats like saying shit i took yesterday is better than what i had today. And tripping, floatiness and horrible balancing is exactly why its shit.
>>315736073
I can agree with the Fox part to a certain degree. I like Brawl Falco's moveset the most myself.
>>315736167
>>315736073
Wrong.
http://pastebin.com/pJt3J0Wu
http://pastebin.com/pJt3J0Wu
http://pastebin.com/pJt3J0Wu
>>315736298I like the floatiness. It prevents players from winning simply because they have faster reflexes. It also makes it easier to see what players are doing before they do them.
>>315736405
kill you'reself
64 > powergap > the rest
Not even kidding.
Everything else is really a cheap knockoff.
Melee is a lazy piece of garbage full of literal clones with the same animations, but for Meleefags it's okay because they have "different properties." Everything about it just screams rushed development.
I don't even have to go into why Brawl is garbage
And Sm4sh is weighed down by the 3DS version as well as being a dodge roll defensive play fest.
No other Smash game will ever be as genuinely good and full of soul as 64.
>>315736405>it prevents good players from winning because they are better
Wow. What next? Sm4sh Samus is the best? Brawl Ganondorf is the best Ganondorf? Great Cave Offensive is the best stage? PM Mewtwo is worst Mewtwo? Brawl is the most balanced Smash game? Stages where you fight against the stage and not other characters are a good idea? Sm4sh Ducky Ducky is the best Ridley and 100% accurate?
>>315736661
>faster reflexes = better
It just changed how the game was played and what it was that determined if someone would win. Speed and reflexes were no longer the deciding factor in a fight.
>>315736565
>literal clones with the same animations
>Captain Falcon has animation where he spins and uncurls, animation where he lifts his leg and brings it down after ten years, animation where he laughs, animation where he swings his sword and plants it into the ground
>Mario has animation where he kicks dust with his foot, animation where he charges up and flies forward like a fucking missle, animation where he karate chops
Dude, literal clones with same animations is 4's thing.
>>315736821
...wat? Faster reflexes IS better. If i can react to opponent attacking or rolling while someone else can't notice Ganondorf using his UTilt, it means im better.
>>315736821
Dude, just stop. You're not making yourself look better like this.Unless you are trolling of course. Then keep doing this.
>>315736981
>Captain Falcon has animation where he spins and uncurls,
Taunt.
>animation where he lifts his leg and brings it down after ten years
One move.
>animation where he laughs
Taunt
>animation where he swings his sword and plants it into the ground
Who are you even talking about here
>Mario has animation where he kicks dust with his foot,
Taunt.
>animation where he charges up and flies forward like a fucking missle, animation where he karate chops
Two moves.
I love how you purposefully omitted Falco, Young Link, Roy, Pichu, and Dr. Mario. Because. If I'm remembering correctly, most of their animations are copy pasted right from others.
I can't believe you really think Taunts count.
>>315719676
Melee = Project M > Brawl = 64
Haven't played 4 enough to rate.I play these games for fun with items on most of the time. I don't take it serious. Game & Watch is the best.
brawl needs more credit.
that game is amazing anyone who says otherwise is delusional. its fun as fuck 1v1 and 2v2 way more fun than smash 4 (nowhere near as fun as melee though)
>>315737582
>tripping
>0 gravity
>horrible balancing with one absurdly broken character and several outright unusable characters
Sure, they are delusional.
>>315737582
>http://pastebin.com/pJt3J0Wu
It gets all the hate it deserves.
Also that's a shitty way to store your games. What if I wanted to play a game from the bottom? The whole thing will come crashing down
>>315737582
Brawl needs less credit.
It made probably the best additions to the roster of any of the Smash games, with no clones aside from Snake, but the gameplay is just so slow and mediocre and turtley, and there's indefensible shit like tripping and Meta Knight being objectively better than every other character by a wide margin.
I would also say it's worse for casual party play than Melee since the max item rate is significantly lower than it was in Melee, and there are strict, very low limits on stuff like how many Pokemon can be in play at once.
64 always goes last.
Project M is a glorified meme that should never have gotten as popular as it did.
Smash 4 > Melee = Brawl
>>315719676
You know the way you typed that you said all those games are less than Brawl right?
Other than that I agree with your rankings
>>315737582
>the only game in the series that has lasting singleplayer appeal
As a forever alonefag I love Brawl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVM5xSeTWrg
>this cutscene
>space battleground playing in the background
>the FUCKING tea
>>315738056
SSE sucks. The cutscenes were fun, but the gameplay was complete shit, and I will never get over fighting generic enemies in generic environments instead of fighting enemies from Nintendo games in Nintendo environments.
PM falcon makes me sweat cum
>>315738009
>Melee=Brawl
>>315737582
>brawl needs more credit
>that game is amazing anyone who says otherwise is delusional
>its fun as fuck
>>315736565
>64 > powergap > the rest
>>315736073
>Brawl>Project M
>Brawl>Melee
>Brawl>64
>>315738205
What's wrong with generic enemies? I mean it gives the game its own identity instead of just being a hodgepodge of pre-existing Nintendo enemies. They actually made something new, complete with a hard final boss.
>>315719676
Smash 4 isn't better than 64 or Brawl, though. It's the worst one so far.
Project M is Brawl, no need to give it its own space.
>>315738440
A hodgepodge of pre-existing Nintendo enemies is exactly what we should have gotten. The game is "NINTENDO ALL-STARS", not "nintendo fights my OC"
>>315738440
>I mean it gives the game its own identity instead of just being a hodgepodge of pre-existing Nintendo enemies.
That's all well and good, but you're still using Nintendo characters, picking up Nintendo items, seeing vehicles and shit from Nintendo games in cutscenes, fighting Nintendo bosses like Ridley and Pokey and Rayquaza, running from Nintendo enemies like that Pokey statue, and fighting some Mario enemies like Goombas and Koopas and Bullet Bills, but strangely nothing else.
It manages to be a half-assed sort of kind of hodgepodge, instead of being totally original or being a love letter to Nintendo properties like a Nintendo crossover fighter should be.
No one wins basically, not even you.
>>315738440
Generic enemies in NINTENDO ALL-STARS game and they didn't even look good. Why add random mooks instead of something like Space Pirates, Kremlings, Waddle Dees, Shy Guys, ReDeads, Slicers/those fucking praying mantis robots, etc? And why all of this shit happens in completly random and generic enviroments instead of Bowser's Castle, random piece of Zebes for whatever reasons, Green Hill Zone, Hyrule Castle, etc.?
>>315738929
>>315738994
I guess that's true. They very well could have made the enemies look better and be more interesting, and go all the way original or all the way Nintendo, but instead it was neither with kind of boring enemies. So I suppose I can agree with that, as much as I like SSE. It certainly could've been done better.
>>315737829
if i pull a game out from the bottom as long as i move the two next to it slightly to take its place nothing comes "crashing down". i can straight up pull games out from any row and nothing moves
>>315738520
>Project M is Brawl
WHAT?! It has no tripping, it has normal gravity, it has good balancing, it has Roy and Mewtwo (and 5 more characters soon or later), it has Melee's ATs, it has its own stages, some characters are nothing like in Brawl and so on. If i put ham and several other things on bread, it becomes a sandwich. Same applies here.
>>315738056
>smash bros will never be this cool again
why even live
all nintendo games are on purpose super kawaii barney tier shit now
>>315739240
Modded Brawl is great, I agree.
>>315719676
Sm4sh = PM> Melee> Brawl = 64
Only true list
>>315739371
Sm4sh looks better than Brawl, though. Observing change is cool, but you shouldn't pretend one side is objectively better than the other.
Melee>PM=64>Sm4sh=Brawl(with MK/ICies banned and no trips)>Brawl(vanilla)
>>315739527
64 is better than Sm4sh and Brawl..
>>315739661
64 is a fun prototype but doesn't have the depth or features S4 and Brawl have
>>315738929
Also, a lot of the "original content" is functionally equivalent to stuff in properties represented by characters in the game in the first place, so it ends up feeling like a cheap knock-off, like those DKC/Kirby launcher barrel things, or those birds that try to dive bomb you when you go under them which could have been those mosquito robots from Sonic CD instead, or those invincible not-Gordo electric spike balls things.
>>315739371
You were called a fool for NOT calling Nintendo games kiddy since SNES days. Nothing changed. And are you fucking serious about Kirby? A franchise known for being so sweet that you get diabetes from looking at it? But if there is something everyone can agree with, its the Metroid Prime Federation Force shit.
>>315739826
Brawl has tripping, shit balancing and 0 gravity. 64 is automatically better than that shit.
People saying brawl is a better competitive game than 4 are delusion. Yes brawl has more tech and depth, but that doesn't mean a goddamn thing when they don't actually improve the game. The vast majority of the matchups in brawl are straight up tedious. None of the top tiers are fun to fight except marth and most aren't even fun to play. Not to mention how shit it was for spectators. 4 is a disappointment, but let's not get crazy here
>>315727408
Wait, did scarflard lose against a Kirby player?
>>315739826
>classic mode that isn't gimmicky shit
>board the platforms
>race to the finish
>break the targets
If Sm4sh had any of that, it'd be better than 64.
>>315739549
>Donkey Kong improves (thanks Rare)
>Toad receives stylin' yellow trim
>Bowser gets very yellow and his head shrinks
>Yoshi becomes furry-bait
>Daisy is given a tan
>this is promptly removed because it was actually good and she is given a hideous fat face instead
Neat.
>>315729648
>IC's are for shitters
i think someone got wobbled recently
Melee>64>PM
Other games don't matter since Brawl is an mess and 4 is designed to reward bad players.
Smash4 > Melee > Brawl > 64
>He counts a shitty mod as a real game
>>315740414
Speaking of classic mode, I miss Metal Mario in Smash 64 being a unique juggernaut of a character.
Later games just having you fight random characters with a permanent metal box status which barely changed their weight and resistance to being stunned compared to Metal Mario was pretty lame.
And they just behaved like regular characters. Metal Mario would stand there and tank hits, and come at you with harder hitting attacks. Felt like you had to do hit and run shit to be safe. It was cool.
>>315741254
>he counts a shitty real game but not a good mod
>>315723145
I don't see PMfags making a thousand threads just to shit on a character being turned into a costume.
Until that happens, sm4shfags are the worse.
>>315739371
But Kirby is supposed to be bright and cheerful, And I don't think anyone was a fan of Brawl's art style.
>No eerie atmospheres
C'mon now
>>315741186
Why 64 is above PM? There are more characters, more attacks, more stages, better graphics, it can be customized and so on.
>>315740721
>Donkey Kong improves
We're in disagreement there, fellow.
>>315741553
Shiggy's DK art is THE BEST.
As much as I love DKC I would let it all burn just to keep DK'94 aka the perfect game.
>>315741553
Look at that sneaky ape.
What's he up to?
I don't trust that fucker.
Modern Donkey Kong is an ape you can trust.
>>315741658
>Shiggy
You mean Yoichi Kotabe, nig
>>315741714
Look at this dopey fuck. He's not going to steal your girlfriend and run across several continents and dimensions with her, that's absurd.
>Melee is 60fps everywhere except for battles where the framerate cuts in half
Is there a way to fix this in Dolphin?
>>315741962
Huh, I read somewhere that shig faxed some art of that DK to Rare, guess it was Yoichi's then.
>>315723145
>Why are *Ballot fags the absolute worst people in the smash fanbase?
FIFY
>>315723145
>anybody in Smash
>sacred
any love for Brawl Minus?
>>315741520
don't forget Zero-2-Hit mode
>a special mode where character's damage resets after avoiding hits for a certain amount of time.
but seem like PM players and Smashers keeps forgetting about that new mode
>>315742097
He made the base designs, but Yoichi perfected them and drew all the official art.
I've never read anything about faxing Rare, could've been Miyamoto's art.
>>315740051
>>315741519
>>315739549
stop replying to that faggot
he keep posting shitty cherrypicked image of whatever game he hates
>>315742272
I like it way more than PM. Really wish there was a scene for it.
>>315738426
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>>315742272
>>315742714
what's the difference?
>>315742743
Where did this image come from?
>>315742443
Its not everyone's thing and kinda pointless if you actually want to perform 0-death combos.
>>315742743
>that image
I'm dying.
>>315742770
Brawl= pisspoor gameplay
Brawl Minus= "When everybody's overpowered, no one is."
Balanced Brawl = better Brawl gameplay, everyone's viable
Project M = best of both worlds, include things you never see in other Smashes including fangames beforehand
>>315742903
lurk more
i'll give ya a hint
>>315741962
>>315742770
Basically, every character is broken as shit and since everyone is OP, the game is balanced.
It's different from PM in that PM was made with competitiveness in mind and Minus was made with crazy fun in mind. It still has regular Brawl mechanics minus tripping and the floatiness.
>>315741553
Wait, is Bowser tickling Toad?
I-is there something going on that we should know about?
>>315731343
to me, i think they prefer modded Melee like 20XXTE and SD Remix over Melee on the Brawl enginecould be the frame limit
>>315743136
Ah. Makes sense. But who made that image and are there any other images with that duck thing from Pyrosphere?
>>315743159
lol
Also, does DK the third have any theme music as badass than this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNsiX0gKMEU
This song is just begging for a metal/orchestral remix in Smash.
>>315743597
>But who made that image and are there any other images with that duck thing from Pyrosphere?
i think it was pic related making fun of Sm4sh's Ridley model due to how unpolished it is
>are there any other images with that duck thing from Pyrosphere?
i wish
>>315741520
64 has better balance, and doesn't just feel like an worse Melee
>>315743793
>Bagan
that kid is nuts
that Ridley mod is amazing, just need more balancing and better animations to be viable enough to be part of PM's roster. and the throwback redesign rocks, though i want Brawl ridley instead.
i even hear he's doing a mod ofMini-KraidandMetal Facealong with K. Rool afterwards.
>>315743793
Oh. That guy again. Makes sense considering how much he likes Ridley and how fucked up Ducky Ducky is in so many ways.
>>315742770
it's Brawl but in DBZ levels of balancing and gameplay
K.Rool is certainly "hype", but...Metal Face? And fucking Kraid, who unlike Ridley has being big as his main thing?! I need whatever shit he is smoking. You can't think of that without being high as fuck
>>315745145
i'm very sure he's doing Kraid and Metal Face for fun reasons, nothing serious. (he really loves Metal Face)
Ridley was for that, show and tell, and for people who really just want to play as Ridley in a Smash game.
>>315745348
Huh. Weird. Wonder how many downloads those 2 will get. Ridley got over 10000 downloads after a year, but those don't have same kind of popularity.
>>315745145
Wait, who's making this?
>>315745494
probably more than the Velociraptor mod
6000-7250 for Kraid maybe.
>>315745730
Bagan. I meant to reply to >>315744569
I'M DONE FUCKING AROUND
WHERE IS LYN AND KNUCKLES
>>315745856
Oh that guy? I lost interest when he switched to using the Other M design.
He should have modified the Super design to look more like this.
He did that because model that had Super design was literally too big. Animations with it, even when they weren't really complicated, were big in size and Brawl has its limits. Other M model had less bones and he more-or-less fixed main flaws of that design. And he also said he will make classic Ridley at some point and there was screenshot of it somewhere.
>>315746082
>He should have modified the Super design to look more like this.
easier said than done. That "guy" was like 14 years old. Amazing he managed to do what he did in the first place.
>>315726581
I gave you shit yesterday for being a /mu/fag and /tv/fag and having loadsa tabs.
Today I noticed you're using firefox and skype.
You've personally hurt me with your shit taste anon.
>>315745730
BaganSmashBros and few certain modders in Smashboards/KC-MM
also a modeler is doing a new model for Kraid and possibly Ridley for the "original Ridley" PM mod Bagan previously cancelled once.
>>315729648
It's a good thing I main Lucas in smash 4.
>>315731181
>Melee hell
Kill yourself and go back to memeing on Facebook
There's too much talk about Bagan's shit here. What the fuck?
>>315731669
>It's fucking perfect
No it's not. No competitive game is perfect. Go study some other high level games. They are all flawed.
>>315746398
>Animations with it, even when they weren't really complicated, were big in size and Brawl has its limits. Other M model had less bones and he more-or-less fixed main flaws of that design.
that and he's later cancelled the mod, then revived it by putting PM Other M Ridley's wings on him, then decide to keep the old wings and not to put too many animations movements on it.
if the guy who's modeling Kraid for the upcoming mod does Ridley next (or at least fix the Brawl model) the mod could be finally be put to work and be finished for once.
>>315746706
is it morning already?
>>315719676
>Project M is better than melee
this is what PM-fags actually believe
>>315725970
>Mario isn't top 10
Name 9 characters who are definitely better than him
Ness isn't top tier? Have you never heard about NAKAT?
>>315747121
Forgot about that.
Yeah, that would be great. And considering that that guy's model wouldn't be limited by anything other than his imagination and Ridley's usual design, it would be even better.
here's the Kraid model btw
>>315749197
>those fucking legs
How can they support his fat body?
>>315749348
probably like this
note: this is the golden statue model he did
Melee > PM > Smash 4 > Brawl > 64
and here's his model skeleton
>>315749506
Thats him just standing though. What will happen when he will run or jump?
ATTENTION NEW PLAYERS: DO NOT FALL FOR THE PM > MELEE MEME.
It is a waste of goddamn time and will literally waste your potential. Melee strengthens your neutral and tech skill at much faster rate than PM, and will overall make you a better player. PM SKILL DOES NOT TRANSFER TO MELEE, I REPEAT IT IS NON-TRANSFERABLE.
Also twitch banned pm from ever being streamed again. It will never see large stream numbers or the big stage ever ever again. DON'T FALL FOR IT.
>>315750358
Do we always need THIS guy coming in in every thread?
>>315749842
honestly that's what i'm hoping to see when they are done rigging Kraid
i can see Kraid jumping with those bipedal legs in the weight of Bowser, though it's kinda hard to imagine how Kraid's going to run fast other than slowly walking or that in a much faster pace.
>>315750565
Then again, we have Godzilla (who isn't fat, but still a lot bulkier than Kraid) running around in games like Godzilla Save the Earth and doing all sorts of stuff like dropkicks.
>>315750358
SD Remix > Melee
>>315750527
I need to warn the poor souls who would get tricked. They tricked me with project meme and I can't let it happen to anybody else.
>>315751391
Sure, Project Meme v6.9 is the true evil. Soon the The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse disguised as smash gods will arrive and bring the judgement day (also known as 20XX) to Sm4sh, PM, Melee and 64 and all of this shit. Brawl will be immune to it thanks to Meta Knight. The crysis will be averted thanks to best Brawl players using Meta Knight to beat all of those PM characters brought to TAS levels and Melee, Sm4sh and 64 characters infected with the virus that also brings them to TAS levels. Then Sakurai will personally meet those heroes and suddenly, Iwata will rise from his grave and restore the world. And then, everyone will understand...
>>315750358
Kirby Fighters DX is still way more better than Melee, PM, and 64
