Starting up FF8 for the first time. What am I in for, /v/?
shit
>>315568106
A whole bunch of faffing around unexplained systems and silly plot holes.
Like how enemies scale with you. I hope you enjoy the Balamb Garden theme.
The best FF
>>315568106
If you are so inclined, there are guides on how to break the game from the start.
>>315568106
poop
>>315568892
This.
With shit writing, the plot itself is good.
junction or die
cards
8 was really good if you don't try to break the game. Still hold up well too.
Dat boss music...awesome
>>315568106
Draw!
Cure!
>>315568106
>What am I in for
CARD GAMES
RETARDED DIALOGUE
TIMED BUTTON PRESSES
Whatever.
The best card minigame in the history of video games.
Avoid all fights, it's the correct way to play the game
>>315568106
Make sure you pick the right choices at the beginning so you can date Quistis as the end of the game.
>>315568892
Yep best
Soundtrack: 8/10
Character Design: 6.5/10
Characters: 2.5/10 (with exception of Laguna and his troop)
Character Development: 3/10
Gameplay/mechanics: 5/10
Over world: 5/10
Main Villain: 2/10
Over all plot: 1.5/10
Re-play value: 3/10
Game as a Whole: 4.5/10
Don't take this seriously. It's just my opinion of my experience playing the game.
Couldn't you break FF8 by keeping Squall KO'ed?
>>315570247
Hold up, can I really do this? I just started playing, and so far she's best girl. I wanna date her, anon.
>>315568106
a bad game with a shit mnigame and a horrible love story
>>315569310
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=54r8t_5ayto
Still the best boss music
>>315568106
The shittiest main series Final Fantasy by far.
Main hero is actually her own love interest's dog.
>>315570621
Of coursenot. You can date the giant black man in FFVII, but you can't date your sexy teacher in VIII.
>>315569964
>get a couple of character cards
>you now win every game
Cool card game bro
>>315571050
Worse than 1?
>>315569126
>>315569964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoKxXASDGYw
>>315568106
If you want to get a good grade for the initial mission, do not talk to any npcs that you don't have to. Follow your orders and don't take shortcuts.
>>315570259
What a terrible opinion to have. You are not my nigga.
>>315571364
1 is super solid and still holds up. 2 is where they shat the bed.
>>315571673
my mistake
>>315568106
A lot of random battles.
>>315570454
No. The first time you're in Galbadia Garden, and Squall is solo, go out into the desert and grind like a mother fucker, until he's about level 45-50. After your party rejoins, all random encounters and boss battles will be a cake-walk. since you made Squall Over Powered as FUCK, the rest of your party's at a much lower level; the game thinks your team is weak, and therefore, they are the same level as the rest of your party, except for squall; since he's the strongest of the weakest majority.
>>315571364
1 is a solid game, especially after it's five-billionth remake with tons of extra dungeons and shit. It doesn't have any annoying characters or forced romances/drama/hour-long cutscenes. It's just a minimalistic gameplay-focused RPG.
FF8 is a huge mess in almost every department, gameplay, characters and story. Draw system is even worse than FF2's whack-your-friends-to-level-up gimmick. At least that's my opinion after autismally playing through every main series title multiple times.
You can expect to fall in love with this cute retard.
>>315572285
>retard
>implying she's not a sadistic mastermind
>>315572428
Shut up and buy that gun, anon.
>>315572762
>tfw soon I'll be together with her in Balamb
Keep Squall dead, I think the level scaling depends solely on him.
The game is easy-modo when you continuously keep your guys at yellow HP.
The hot sexy BDSM teacherhas the hots for Squall early on,.but later finds out she cares for him as a big sisterSo much for taking advantage of that thirSSt
>>315573379
I don't think anyone in history has classified Squall as a shota.
>>315568106
First disc is good.
Junction system is good, once you read a wiki on how to use it.
Triple Triad is the best.
Limit Breaks break the game.
>>315571050
Nothing is worse than xiii and xiv
>>315574621
Surely you mean XIII and II.
XIV is actually a good final fantasy. Too bad it's a mmo, but if it was done as a normal ff, would hold itself quite well.
>>315574621
The MMOs are good considering the genre.
XIII is easily one of the worst, but at least it has quality cinematics, graphic design, voice acting, and a tangible story. FF8 has an unforgivably shit story, characters and a plot that I could still barely comprehend after two playthroughs.
8 has good music and cool-looking summons, but that's it.
>>315568106
Regret, for wasting your time on that shit.
>>315575596
The hell you talking about, jesus how can someone write this down with a straight face.
>>315571930
>we found a way to beat an rpg by spending hours grinding!
wow you must feel so clever
>>315571316
>he never played any of the rules other than basic
should i skip FF8? and what should i play instead? i only played FF7 so far
>>315568106
Don' t forget to Draw the ??? from Bosses.
>>315576423
Are there any JRPGs where you can't just level-grind to steamroll everything (or the reverse, as with this game)? I like turn-based combat but it always seem to go hand-in-hand with grinding.
>>315568106
Disappointment.
>>315576715
everybody considers everything after FF6 to be shit; FF7 to FF12 is garbage except for FF13 because waifu wars. You should just play them to gauge your own opinion anon.
>aura
>RENZOKUKEN
BA BA BA BAH BA BA BA-BA BAH!
doo doo doo dooo do-da-doo doo doo
>>315571050
2 and 13 are worse.
>>315568106
Coolest intro in the whole series
>Now for your exam
>WAR
It stays pretty fucking cool when the focus is the SeeDs missions.
>>315572762
Is that Tidus with a wig?
>>315577173
7 is good if you're not a contrarian fuck
8 was alright but had a lot of problems
9 was great
10 was total shit
11 was an MMO
12 I heard was OK
13 was total shit, only 2 might be worse.
>>315576715
FF V, VI, IX, I, and IV
Personally I'd recommend V next. Best gameplay by far, but storywise it's just okay.
>>315577428
Fucking thank you. This really accurate, especially because a lot of people don't want to except that 10 was absolutely terrible.
>>315577428
Pretty good assessment.
Also note.
FF7 Dirge of Cerberus (Awful TPS with good Sqaure CGI scenes.)
FF Crystal Chronicles Fun game, horrible sales, failure. Personal opinion.
FF Tactics Great game
FFX-2 (Cash in for japanese girls who were the biggest buying demographic for FFX.)
FFXIII-2 and Lightning Returns (Even more soulless cash-ins with a horrible ending if you manage to make it to the end.)
>>315577428
If you didnt like 10 you'd probably like 12
>>315568106
A confusing combat system that makes no fucking sense.
Ive tried to play the game on an emulator multiple times but the "junction" system is way too complicated. I want to play a video game not solve fucking calculus.
Shit game.
>>315578157
>junction system is way too complicated
if you actually figure it out you realize that "atk def mag" options actually optimize it more or less perfectly and would've saved you 3 hours of reading through menus.
Did the story line and junction system really confuse that many people?
How dumb do you have to be? You don't have to like the game, but saying it's bad because you're too retarded to understand it doesn't make it bad
>>315568106
Don't level up
Just gain AP and learn2junction and drawing rare magic
>>315578157
nigs i beat this game when I was 10. That means your dumber than a bag of dicks.
Great tier:
1, 3, 4, After Years, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, FFT, FFTA, Revenant Wings, Crystal Chronicles
Meh tier:
2, 8, 10-2, 13, Dissidia, Crisis Core
Diarrhea tier:
13-2, 13-3, DoC, that one CGI movieGod tier:Chocobo's Dungeon, Chocobo Racing
>>315568106
hot dogs
The game ain't bad, but the card game is much more fun than the actual game because it's the best card game that's ever been included in a game.
>>315568106
DRAW
R
A
W
TRIPLE TRIAD MOTHERFUCKER
>>315568106
I liked it. Never beat it. Of course it was a lot more impressive when it first came out. Can't tell you if it holds up. Glory days of FF, though, so it's good... ish.
>>315578157
>You get magic from monsters
>You can augment your stats with said magic to become more powerful
>Confusing
FF7 fan boys, everyone
>>315578749
FFT is a tier or two above all the rest, Anon.
>>315578959
Yeah, it isn't confusing.
It does have beyond shit implementation, though.
>>315578749
Switch 13 and 13-2 and I'll sign off on this.
>>315577428
I really enjoyed 10's battle system and some of the music. That's about it.
>>315578749
10 does not belong in the Great tier.
>>315568903
How? Where? Tell me, anon.
>>315568106
Before this thread turns into a massive shitflinging contest like the last FF thread,
>Laguna sections were the best parts in the game
>7 is a good game, but it looks like utter shit. Music is great tho
>9 has retardedly slow combat opening animation but is otherwise good
>10 is unbearable unless it's your first time and you're only playing for the story (then it can still be pretty disappointing depending on your tolerance for wapanese horse shit)
>>315578464
most criticism comes from the fact that almost every system in the game had some fundamental flaw that could break the game
>level scaling
so why level? or you can just fuck over the scaling in weird ways by making the game think you're way weaker than you really are
>limit breaks
get slightly low health, mash cancel, free limits
>gf summoning
do a shitload of damage to all targets AND you get an hp buffer. the cost? YOU HAVE TO WATCH THAT FUCKING UNSKIPPABLE MOVIE SEQUENCE. also it costs a bit of time (unless you summon more often and watch that fucking movie sequence 100 more times)
>expendable magic
draw for 20 minutes until you have 99, they added a grind even more boring than level grinding
>junction magic to your stats!
so you spend 10 minutes fiddling with menus any time you have to change your party which happens all the fucking time and sometimes when you don't even expect it thanks to laguna sequences. also junctioning the better spells to your stats breaks the game.
>choose between having magic, item, or draw!
>picking item
>>315577428
You are exactly correct.
>>315579160
It doesn't. Play cards, nigga.
>>315568106
A fantastic game with unrivaled aesthetics.
Make sure you don't get into the habit of feeling like you have to draw everything. Just draw a little casually as you go along, and more importantly look for opportunities to convert magic from items and cards. You'll be fine, its not a hard game as long as you have decent junctions.
And don't worry about elemental junctions. Stat junctions and status effect junctions are more critical.
Pic is related to the next game you should play after VIII: FFIX.
>>315579349
Maybe I can agree on some of those points
The junction system is fine though, it's only complicated and confusing to retarded people. There's an "auto" option which works just fine. The only reason to not use auto is when you're going into a boss fight who you know has a particular elemental weakness, but god forbid you should spend a little time prepping for a fight
>>315577936
X wasn't total shit. I think it's hit or miss.
>>315579957
Not the guy you're replying too, but 10 was really "meh" for me
The game looked good and had some cool music, but it was the first stepping stone into becoming a linear game series. The voice acting really ruined it for me too, it somehow took away the "charm" of it. I'm not a hipster fag by any means, but it just felt so out of place.
>>315577936
lots of faggots started on X because it was the first PS2 FF, like how millions of deluded people think VII isnt total shit because it was the first PS FF
>>315579957
It did have good qualities about it. It's just that the bad qualities heavily outweigh them.
>>315579874
my complaint wasn't that it's complicated and confusing
my complaint was that it takes a bunch of time going through each character and setting up the gfs and other shit, possibly transferring hoards of magic. even with auto junction this takes too god damn long.
VI had a similar problem with espers but at least that was just "you get this esper you get this esper ok we're done" instead of "gfs here, you get these commands, do you have a stack of magic? ok, transfer it from this guy, fuck where did rinoa go i left my magic on her, well junction whatever you have" "ok zell is done, now for selphie"
>>315576423
You got any better methods, other than having squall Ko'd for every fight?
>>315580238
I didn't find the voice acting bad, I just didn't like any of the characters compared to IX.
X lacked heart to me, and I kinda dislike it because it's where Squeenix started really going off the rails with the over designing of characters and setting.
Ultima + shell for def. junction
Death for atk junction
There you go. You are now OP
>>315577201
>Renzokuken
>not using Duel master Zell instead
>>315568106
Do yourself a favor, play through the first disc and then stop and pretend like that was the whole game.
Everything after that plot-wise is shit-flavored vomit.
>>315579349
>so you spend 10 minutes fiddling with menus any time you have to change your party which happens all the fucking time and sometimes when you don't even expect it thanks to laguna sequences. also junctioning the better spells to your stats breaks the game.
Too lazy to address your whole post but let me say this: there's an option to instantly switch junctions among party members. Additionally, there are options to quickly swap individual magics between members as well. You're right, it does take some time to set up junctions. You have to menu for 10 minutes. But thats something you should do like every couple hours, not every time you change party members. You're doing it wrong if thats the case.
One of the worst mainline FF games
>>315580284
Took the words right out of my mouth.
FF7 and FF10 are nothing fucking special, they just happened to be the newest final fantasy's on a new system.
If FF8 instead released as the first PS1 final fantasy game, everyone would be having the opposite conversation. FF7 fan boys are the worst and don't realize they're getting back pain from wearing nostalgia goggles so thick.
>>315580381
limit break abuse
gf summon spamming (although this may actually be more boring than autistic grinding)
draw 99x ultima and junction it to literally any stat that matters
again, how can you NOT break FFVIII?
One of the absolute worst JRPGs you could possibly suffer through.
Final Fantasy is garbage in general anyway.
>>315579349
Even though most/all of those things are true, story and characters are where it's weakest for me:
>entire party has identical backstory and motivations (not to mention functionally identical in battle, barring Limit Breaks which I guess you spam the entire game anyways so whatever)
>Squall is the only party member with any (but not very much) characterization
>Horrible forced romance with worst character in the game
>Seifer existing
>floating anime high school/Naruto Hogwarts for mercenaries powered by(?) Boss Nass from Star Wars or something
>time compression, the fuck is even happening
>"You all grew up in the same orphanage but you forgot for some reason!"
>bizarre 'congratulations'-tier ending
>card
>card mod
>items ----> spells
>junction
And there you go, game broken.
If you junction correctly the game is a breeze even at lvl 100 with the enemy scaling.
>>315580448
you forgot triple for speed, enjoy having like 5 turns before the enemy can do anything
>>315580524
there is an option but it's suboptimal so players are discouraged from using it. smart players will not give a fuck about being optimal and will only play for the story but when you have to design a button that players don't want to use but use anyways because shit is so time-consuming any other way you need to ask yourself how the system got to this point.
>>315580923
Also, pain and I think Esuna? for status defense (or attack if you want to do that sorta thing, but not too helpful against bosses)
>>315579349
>gf summoning
The main drawback to that was that I think GF summoning killed your seed rank and thus your money flow, though I imagine it wasn't too hard to make money other ways later on.
>>315580874
nice bait faggot but almost all of those things are plain wrong. ff8 is literally the best one, stop being such a contratian faggot and go back to fapping to rat furries you piece of shit
>>315581317
>implying you can't like 8 & 9
It has the highest concept plot in any mainline FF, but it's marred by a poorly written romance that appears out of nowhere on disc 3.
>>315581023
>smart players will not give a fuck about being optimal and will only play for the story
b8
>>315568106
>What am I in for, /v/?
sadness over the lack of quistis porn
>>315581492
you're choosing to skip options related to the gameplay because the long way sucks
so you don't care about the combat
what is left?
>>315581448
>Appears out of no where
You have to be autistic if you didn't see it coming
>>315581492
literally the only fight in the game that requires "optimization" is Omega Weapon and even then just use Aura, grab a few Holy Wars and rofl your way to victory.
my favorite ff.
but i played it when i was a kid. i ate up squall's teen angst and the high school setting. i didn't care about the broken gameplay and convoluted story.
i can't imagine enjoying it as an adult.
>>315581946
>Holy Wars
Gilgamesh card ftw
>>315581825
Squall was just starting to act nice towards her, and internally see her as a friend. Then he's suddenly on his knees begging for her to wake up. It's a jarring transition that makes no sense.
>>315568106
second worst game in the franchise, right behind mystic quest and final fantasy thirteen. at least it's not that overrated shit that is seven though.
>b-but muh cloude!
six was the best, suck it up.
>>315582256
>6 was the best
Finally some sense around here
>>315581707
>>315581946
I'd rather waste 100 hours drawing spells and optimizing my party than play ff8 for the story.
>>315582379
well
you're not wrong
>>315582379
i'm not saying the story is great but you might as well not waste time so you can muscle through it and be done with the thing.
>>315582256
>>315582323
How often do you get hit wearing those nostalgia blinders?
>>315581248
did money matter for anything? i never had the item option on and it seemed like weapon upgrades were about finding materials.
whatever
>VIII
>shit game, shit story, godly card game
>IX
>good game, good story, shit card game
which had better priorities?
Angst and Customization
Take that as you will
>>315568106
better card game than hearthstone.
>>315582639
it's been too long I don't really remember, I just know I stopped using GFs because they fucked with your SEED rank.
>>315582759
IX combat was too damn slow for me. I didn't even bother figuring out how trance works.
>>315582379
You never have to draw spells if you just play cards and have card mod.
>>315583038
>the game isn't shit if you find this one skill in your gfs and level it first, then grind card games and take the correct cards from your winnings and use that skill to convert them into resources to save time grinding!
wow i wonder why so many people didn't realize this easy trick.
most people don't realize they could've saved time by doing that until they've already drawn a bunch of spells up to 99 and then look and go "well why the fuck would i spend a card on that when i already hit the cap 5 hours ago"
>>315569964
Xenosaga's was better.
>>315582982
How to make FFIX a 10/10 game
Cut battle intro length by 3/4
Give option to shorten eidolon summons
>>315579676
Thanks anon. IX is next on the list, and VIII is going pretty well so far. The draw system threw me off at first, but after a while you start to see how it works. Questis is still best girl so far.
>>315580642
>grinding being autistic
>JRPG
dude.. Grinding is a lot of JRPG's bread and butter. The only game I remember that didn't require any grinding (unless you just HAVE to fly through the story.) is Chrono Trigger. That game's enemy placement was to give you just enough leveling up to play through the game with minimal difficulty.
>>315584580
In early game, Quistis is rad as fuck. But for late game, that goes to my LEAST favorite, and that's Rinoa. Her ultimate attack is damn near game breaking. I hate her character and personality (I don't like girls that are girly damsels.), but damn is she over powered as fuck in the late game.
>>315584589
final fantasy games haven't required grinding since the SNES era...
>>315583325
>grind card games
implying Triple Triad is ever a grind.
WHAT EVA
The best FF.
It's still good if you break it.
How to not break it and make game peak challenge and fun:
1. Never draw more than once per battle per character; GF drawing doesn't count
2. Draw points are allowed
3. No casbad running. Only run if death is a sure thing not to keep level low.
4. Dropped items will be main source of magic via refine.
5. May only buy 5 items every two hours.
6. Card mod/refine cards allowed
This forces you to balance loot 'n grinding while being smart about magic junctioning. You'll need to exploit weaknesses more. GFs will be more relevant. It prevents you from boring yourself with draw spam or buying out 4239842390432 healing items and refining into tons of life magic. It also encourages based Triple Triad.
Basically perfect way to play the game.
>>315568106
One of the best soundtracks in the series
Interesting plot with shit writing
Whatever.
TRIPLE FUCKING TRIAD NIGGA HOLY SHIT
Junction system
One of the best opening scenes in videogames
Ultimecia hotness
A lot of shit to do
Pretty and comfy pre rendered towns
that it
>>315582759
9 was horrible. It's the biggest step backwards FF has ever taken and that story was horrible shit with its one developed character and DBZ rip off shit.
>>315568106
>unironically playing one of the literally worse Final Fantasy games
are you retarded f.am?
>>315568106
C H I C K E N
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Good as long as you don't read guides on how to break the game.
The game also requires at least high school level reading comprehension. Seriously I don't know how people can unironically say that some plot point didn't make sense/plotholes/whatever.
>>315568106
If you like teenage angst, build with a battle system that can be broken.
Then you are good. If you don't like it then you are in for a bad time.
Game contains glorious Miss Trepe.
10/10 experience incoming.
>FF8 vs FF12
which is the worst?
>>315585232
>so much kek
>>315582759
>good game, good story
Ripping off of fucking 4 with static class party members and that stupid 'you're really an alien' twist was horrendous. Nevermind that only half of the party was ever relevant and the rest just filler.
>>315588323
Which half?
>>315587261
At least 12's plot wasn't complete garbage with a shitty plot twist, like 8..
>>315587261
8.
At least 12 got fixed with the Zodiac version. Which we never got.
>>315568106
A gay romance. Play FF7 or 9 or gtfo.
Sooo, the card game is actually an important gameplay element?
Now wonder i suck at that game, i never really bother with it.
>>315568106
>What am I in for
Shitposting on 4chan apparently.
>>315589587
Nah. Not really..
>everything is predetermined
>Ultimecia compresses time to save her life
>hunted by SeeD all her life due to her own future actions, caused by her will to stay alive
>after confronting the Squall's SeeD unit, Ultimecia travels to the starting point of FF8 and passes her powers to Edea in order to die
>Squall tells Edea to form SeeD and to train himself, Quistis, Zell, Selphia and Irvine to make absolutely sure the events repeat
>what happens after Squall passes this information along is irrelevant
>the game is a single time loop
The plot for dummies who assume major "coincidences" happens just because.
>>315568106
A subpar Final Fantasy game, with a great minigame and one good song.
May as well replace the combat system with Triple Triad.
>>315568106
It's a very menu driven game, but this allows for quite a lot fo customization.
The thing to do is to just read up enough online to understand hos junctioning works, and then stop. Experiment on your own, rather than read a guide and then claim the game's broken shit.
Anyway, the plot is really tenniebopperie (in other words, lots of drama with no real reason behind it) but it's a decent game otherwise.
>>315568892
>Like how enemies scale with you. I hope you enjoy the Balamb Garden theme.
It's the 2nd FF I played, after VII. So I have fond memories. I liked how all the characters interacted, and the futuristic modern setting. This one predicted the future direction of the series.
Of course it's been 15 years. I rank it alongside X and VII, in terms of impact. I preferred the more mature story, and XV shows more of this in recent times.
I was in Primary school, and I just wanted to grow up. I thought being 17 must be great.
>ITT: retards find time travel confusing
>>315568687
>A whole bunch of faffing around unexplained systems
But the game features tutorials for almost everything that you can always rewatch at any time.
>>315593793
It's information overload to a FF7 babby who thinks the epitome of story telling is an edge lord looking for his mommy who is stopped by someone with a retard sized sword
>>315574197
>>315578157
How stupid people can be?
My first time playing it I was 10 at the time with basic english reading skills (mexifag reporting in) and I never got confused by the junction system nor the game explanations of how it worked.
>>315581317
>can't tell if baiting or being serious
>tfw blinded by nostalgia
Seriously, wat? When was the last time you played that fucking over hyped anime high school soap opera? This nigga >>315580874 fucking nailed it!
>>315580352
>my complaint was that it takes a bunch of time going through each character and setting up the gfs and other shit, possibly transferring hoards of magic.
You only need 3 active characters at the time and you can switch between characters entire junction sets and magic with the press of a single button.
Also giving or taking magic from one member to another was stupidly easy to do.
>>315594029
Sure. Much better to have a bunch of amnesia orphans save the world from a time traveling witch.
>>315568106
One of the coolest openings to ever exist
>>315594427
It is when you're not a half wit who understands basic storytelling and doesn't get confused as soon as time travel is involved
>>315578749
chocobo's dungeon fuck yeah. I played the shit out of CD2
>>315568106
Awesome music, legendary setting, edgy teenager characters, easily breakable gameplay (in that cool way that makes it engaging to play), lots of unmotivated hate by edgy old jaded fucks
>>315594553
I never said the plot was confusing.
I said the plot was shitty.
Can you even read, anon?
>>315568106
a great game that gets super hard towards the end
>>315594795
You never even used the word "shitty"
Can you?
>>315572225
Draw system is relevant for the earliest 20 minutes or so, then it's only used to draw summons from bosses
>>315568106
Lackluster Final Fantasy game. crap story, awful combat system, mixed characters and alright gameplay.
Play FF4, FF6, FF7, FF9, FF10, and FF13 rather than that.
>>315594916
My point was that you can oversimplify any plot to make it sound shitty.
>Dune
>a book about a kid who befriends sand niggers and takes over an empire with MIND POWERS
>>315568106
The best game of a lackluster series. Which is why people on the internet work so hard to hate it.
>>315568106
A pretty short game. It's really strange how there's only one disc.
>>315568106
The whole game is fantastic. Its absolutely ridiculous and obsessed with itself--but good god the story, music, and world absorbs you. Only complaint is that all the characters that arent Squall, Rinoa, and Seifer are sorta just there to pad out the world.
In amy case, dont listen to these faggots about grinding or keeping Squall dead. Just play smart. Focus on drawing magic and junctioning the best you find and refine to stats. Aside from this, just be sure to develop your GFs abilities--which of course requires leveling up a bit.
I think by level 27 or so you can start one-shotting everything if you play right.
Seifer is the coolest person in the world.
>>315597517
Bland characters, horrendous pacing, terrible combat system, drab environments, and a boring story.
>>315598357
Yeah not sure why people like FF7 so much
>>315598412
I dislike FF7 even more than I dislike FF8, for all the same reasons except combat.
>>315598412
actually he was talking about 8
deeeeeeeez nuts :p
>>315598586
I could have been easily talking about both.
>oh shit I'm gonna win
>their turn
>plus
>same
>combo
>the "All" rule has spread throughout this region
>>315598412
FFVII had a dark setting and came first.
FFVIII had a bright setting and came after FFVII.
Its really that simple. People claim stuff like gameplay, characters, story. Nah. All of those sucked in FFVII as well. And every FF game as a whole. They're really just bitching about graphical styles and design.
Let's see who needs to git gud. Pick one:
>junction Pain to Status Defense
>junction Pain to Status Attack
>>315599350
I junction your mom daily and she's still in Pain after 29 years of this.
>>315568106
How much you are able to Draw from an enemy depends on how high your magic stat is. Boost that as high as possible and your character will Draw 9 spells every time!
>>315597517
>gets defeated by joke character
>his whole life is based on laguna's movie
>"B-b-but muh romantic dream"
>sorceress' fuccboi
>even his sexfriends want you to slap his shit
>failed SeeD test
>just wont listen
>>315571930
Wat. That's not how you break the game. I mean, okay, it'd break the game, but that would take a long ass time
If you abuse junction though, you can stay ahead of the curve and one shot everything throughout the game, except bosses(3-10 shots), until you get a spell called aura. Then even bosses are one shots, most of the time.
Anyone else see parallels with Kingdom Hearts?
Stuff like your friend/rival getting seduced to the dark side by an evil sorceress.
>>315600252
FF8 is when Nomura got more invovled with the plots of final fantasy since his work on FF7.
>>315600252
>Seifer
>seduced
Not quite so much. He was a victim of mind manipulation. KH relies on their own stupidity. Also, that rival/friend part is a big difference too. Seifer wasn't really friends with Squall.
It was a fun game.
>>315568106
>What am I in for, /v/?
Level 5 death.
>>315600808
Makes sense. Since it has most of the same cliches as Kingdom Hearts and FFXV.
FF8 is the coziest FF.
>tfw no balamb garden gf
>>315570259
Soundtrack: 9/10
Character Design: 7/10
Characters: Squall alone is a high 7/ 8, and the rest of the cast is pretty good. The other main party members aren't well-developed though, I'll give you that.
Character Development: 6/10
Gameplay/mechanics: Entirely subjective depending on how hard you want to break the game
Over world: 7/10 There were hidden spots on the map that you could just walk into, there's the Obell lake side quest and the Pupu quest
Main Villain: 5/10 Ultimecia could have been much better if they'd put more time into hergeddit?
Over all plot: 6/10
Re-play value: subjective/10
Game as a Whole: 8/10
The art direction and the music make the game, and Squall is one of the best main characters in the series.
>>315571930
I thought that the game scaled based on Squall's level?
>>315601607
I found 9 to be cozier.
>>315599543
>FF7
>basically FF6 but with a worse story
>FF8
>retarded as fuck magic system and leveling up is pointless
>FF9
>the second coming of christ would be faster than the combat
>yet these are commonly regarded as some of the best FF games
8 and 9 seem like good games except for those fatal flaws I can't get past. Always end up dropping them on the first disc because of this shit.
7 is alright but is probably the most overrated game in history.
>>315602160
>probably the most overrated game in history
No one can compete with CT for that spot... FF7 may be up there in being overrated, but CT is just in a league of its own.
>>315602443
>CT sold 1.5 million copies
>FFVII sold 10 million
>lol Chrono Trigger is more overrated!
My god, why do FFVII fans make a fool of themselves in every thread? And every FFVII defender is about deflecting hate to some other Square product.
>>315602838
>selling copies makes a game overrated
No, how people talk about the game makes it overrated. Do you think Destiny is overrated? With the amount of hate the game gets and the tons of sales it has gotten?
The biggest difference between FFVII and CT is that criticism is acceptable when talking about FFVII yet people act as if you are just a colossal idiot that has no taste when you try to even apply a little bit of criticism to CT.
Have you ever seen a CT fan accept any form of criticism?
>>315603162
>The biggest difference between FFVII and CT is that criticism is acceptable when talking about FFVII yet people act as if you are just a colossal idiot that has no taste when you try to even apply a little bit of criticism to CT.
Both FFVII and CT have ardent defenders. And FFVII has a far larger fanbase. Therefore, far larger defenders. As can be seen by the daily FF threads.
I reallydon't get why there's been a sudden surge in people acting like Chrono Trigger sucks and is overhyped. They're mentioning Chrono Trigger more than Chrono Trigger fans even bring it up. Its a lot like FFVII fans keep bitching about how bad FFVI fans are. When no one was even talking about FFVI until they mentioned it.
t;dr I think you have a complex against Chrono Trigger where no real issue exists.
>>315568106
Don't bother stocking magic for anyone except Squall until after the first disc.
>>315568892
Did everyone forget about VI already? I mean I know this board is getting more underage by the year but still.
>>315568985
If the writing is shit the plot is also shit.
Game is meh..
>>315602160
Everything about 8 was flawed as fuck, I don't know how anyone can consider it good by any stretch of the imagination.
9 had some fun characters but was otherwise basic as fuck.
>7 is alright but is probably the most overrated game in history.
No that would be TLOU.
>>315602838
>>315603645
I love CT too but that guy does have a point, I've seen way more fanboys treating CT like the holy grail of JRPGs than I have for FF7. Yes it's a fantastic game and definitely a classic that everyone should play at least once in their lifetime, but it's as much the final word of JRPGs as FF7 is.
>When no one was even talking about FFVI until they mentioned it.
You mean aside from the times they explicitly state FFVI is the best game ever after stating FFVII is the worst game ever?
>>315603645
>blah blah blah size blah blah
Yet again, not important. A lot of people like COD. A lot of people like Destiny. So on. Both of those games are hated to the point that you would think they are 3/10 in quality. A large fanbase doesn't make a game overrated.
>I reallydon't get why there's been a sudden surge in people acting like Chrono Trigger sucks and is overhyped.
See, you can't even accept that people don't like the game. Its as if the game is flawless in your eyes. I'll give you a clue, no game is flawless.
>They're mentioning Chrono Trigger more than Chrono Trigger fans even bring it up.
Sorry but you talked about what is the "most overrated game in history." If you can't accept CT being a highly overrated game, then you are pretty much proving my point. Also, what kind of idiot brings up a subject dealing with ALL games, then decides that we can only talk about FFVII and we must have a complex if we mention some other game? I mean, have you ever heard the phrase "pot calling the kettle black"?
>t;dr I think you have a complex against Chrono Trigger where no real issue exists.
>I can't accept that someone doesn't like my beloved game so they must have a complex since clearly no one is allowed to dislike what I like.
>>315604520
>No that would be TLOU.
People forgot it already. FFVII is still going strong.
>>315604559
>all this generalization
I never said I even liked Chrono Trigger. And now according to you, I'm just a rabid Chrono Trigger fanatic.
You're basically just confirming my point that the problem lies with you looking for a scapegoat.
>>315604520
>No that would be TLOU.
TLOU is overrated as fuck too, but I haven't seen anyone call it the best game ever. It's a decent story wrapped up in shit gameplay like a lot of modern Naughty Dog games.
Meanwhile people act like FF7 revolutionized RPGs and gaming as a whole when basically everything in it, 6 did first and better.
>>315604520
>You mean aside from the times they explicitly state FFVI is the best game ever after stating FFVII is the worst game ever?
Which happens far less than the opposite scenario. Its also a pointless argument since almost all other FF games also have their own defenders. Why are the FFVI fans getting singled out when FFIV, V, IX, X and XII fans also rag on FFVII?
>>315568106
Don't be a c u c k. NEVER draw magic from enemies. Refine it from items/cards.
Learn the item/card refining abilities ASAP by grinding the fish enemies at Balamb Beach (3 AP each, I think you can sometimes fight 3 at a time, most of the time 2 - potential for 6/9 AP after every battle).
(The fish's fins refine into water magic. Water magic is a very good early game spell to junction to your STR(ength) attribute)
>>315604731
>People forgot it already.
HAHAHAHAHAHA you're joking right?
>>315604769
>TLOU is overrated as fuck too, but I haven't seen anyone call it the best game ever.
Consider yourself very lucky.
>Meanwhile people act like FF7 revolutionized RPGs and gaming as a whole when basically everything in it, 6 did first and better.
Most of it is due to the flashy cinematics though, which I agree are merits hardly worthy of championing. I love FF7 but the fandom can annoy the shit out of me too.
>>315604889
>Which happens far less than the opposite scenario.
I've seen this happen more than enough times with my own eyes, you can fuck right off with this "DINDU NUFFIN" crap.
>Why are the FFVI fans getting singled out when FFIV, V, IX, X and XII fans also rag on FFVII?
Because VI fans are the most vocal of the bunch.
IX fans get singled out quite a lot too.
And nobody takes X fans seriously.
>>315568106
I don't know, I've never played it.
>>315604913
>have to play that stupid as fuck minigame or waste tons of time drawing magic so you can junction shit to your stats and have magic to cast
Why the fuck couldn't they just have kept the magicite/materia system? The Sphere grid is the only time them changing that style actually worked out..
>thread asking about FFVIII
>idiots start whining that Chrono Trigger and FFVI are more overrated than FFVII
>>315604756
>I never said I even liked Chrono Trigger
>I reallydon't get why there's been a sudden surge in people acting like Chrono Trigger sucks and is overhyped
Sorry but the phrase "acting like Chrono Trigger sucks" means that you believe that Chrono Trigger is good. Don't even pretend like this is a chance for you to take the high road and pretend you aren't a fanboy, thus making your arguments magically right. You are assuming I am a FFVII fanboy so you are guilty of your own argument too.
If you want to pretend you have an unbiased opinion, then please take your bias out of it.
>>315605120
>I've seen this happen more than enough times with my own eyes, you can fuck right off
>Because VI fans are the most vocal of the bunch.
I see more FFVII and IX fans bitching about FFVI than the other way around. And you were the idiot who brought up Chrono Trigger i nthe first place.
Keep deflecting if you want though. You're just going to turn the hate focus on yourself and FFVII.
>>315605182
Nobody here said anything about VI being more overrated than VII. I swear to god you VIfags have the biggest persecution complex of any fandom I've ever seen.
Post FF characters that most resemble you in looks/personality.
Me first.
>>315605326
>I see more FFVII and IX fans bitching about FFVI than the other way around.
I have never seen any FFVII fans bitching about any of the classic games. Bitching about the fans sure, but not the games.
>And you were the idiot who brought up Chrono Trigger i nthe first place.
I'm the guy who brought up TLOU actually.
>Keep deflecting if you want though. You're just going to turn the hate focus on yourself and FFVII.
Whatever you say m8.
>>315605306
>Sorry but the phrase "acting like Chrono Trigger sucks" means that you believe that Chrono Trigger is good.
Look up devil's advocate on google.
>>315604185
>VI
>good
>>315604769
>decent story
I found the story to be lacking in character developmentnot specifically targeting the 2 main characters as everyone thinks you would be, and thinking they could harvest a cure from her brain seems based 100% in science fiction and tries to pass itself off as being believable instead of just a work of fiction.
I wouldn't even call that decent.
why do you guys take it so personally if someone prefers a ff game you don't like?
>>315605518
>>315605618
It's fucking /v/. How new are you?
>>315568985
No it isn't. It's fucking ridiculous.
>>315605335
>Nobody here said anything about VI being more overrated than VII.
Read the quote chain that came after someone (most likely you) brought up Chrono Trigger as being more overrated than FFVII.
>I swear to god you VIfags have the biggest persecution complex of any fandom I've ever seen.
That's rich coming from someone who is bitching about Chrono Trigger and FFVI.
>>315605357
>>315605618
That's the entire basis of the Final Fantasy fanbase. Pointing out which games you hate to build up the few you like.
>>315568106
I'm surprised this one gets alot of hate.
I figured IX would get a little more.
>>315605357
>>315605791
Point out to me where they said or even implied that VI is more overrated than VII, because I sure as hell can't find it.
>That's rich coming from someone who is bitching about Chrono Trigger and FFVI.
I never bitched about either of them. I'm bitching about the fans of the latter game though.
>>315605326
Never seen 9 fags bitch about the classic ones since 9 was made to bring back the old.
>>315605517
Feel free to look it up yourself. Are you pretending that you don't actually believe FFVII is overrated, or that you think CT is the most overrated game out there? Because if you want to claim that you are playing devil's advocate, then one of those 2 actually apply. Hell, you can't even go with the FFVII one since you are the one who brought it up. You weren't contesting an opinion already presented but rather presented your own opinion. Do you actually know how devil's advocate works or did it just sound fancy to you so you decided to claim that was what you were doing?
>>315605986
Why due to art style?
>>315606190
that and the kuja plot
>>315605986
FFVIII came out after the most popular game in the series. And did pretty much the exact opposite of everything FFVII did (aside from arguably Squall being a loner and having big swords). So most of the hate comes from it not being FFVII-2. But FFVIII was still one of the best selling in the series and got lots of praise from reviewers and fans when it came out. The hatred came a few years later from internet reviews and people on forums.
FFIX on the other hand got a lot of negative reviews and fan criticism when it came out. And was mostly forgotten until in the last 5 years or so when sites like 4chan started to obsess over it for being the 'forgotten black sheep' in the series. As /v/ seems to gravitate towards these lesser known, less popular games. Same reason we can't go a single Zelda thread without people derailing it into a Majora's Mask thread.
tl;dr: FFVIII was popular when it came out. But became hated by the contrarian movement on the internet.
>>315606134
Nothing you said was my point at all. You're once again warping the points I made into the absolutes you think I mean. Which I never said.
>>315606298
Nice copypasta. Anyway I went into 8 with an open mind knowing full well I wouldn't be getting 7-2, and it still let me down. Everything about that game is so ridiculously flawed that I'm baffled as to how anyone can defend it. I mean yeah, I can give it points for at least attempting something new, but that doesn't mean much when the end result is a hot mess. Nor does it excuse the retarded story and characters even by Square's incredibly low standards.
