I want to start playing OoT and MM /v/, what are the definitive versions? 3DS or N64? I dont mind dated graphics.
>>315380502
3DS has extra shit and better framerate. Go for those.
>>315380502
Original versions obviously, why is this even a question.
Remakes that don't fuck something up are rare to nonexistent.
For OoT in particular there's no reason to play the remake. It looks worse in almost every respect and doesn't have any notable new content.
Ocarina 3D is actually virtually unchanged besides some shitty tutorial Rock you can ignore. MM 3D on the other hand was turned upside down and only a couple of those changes are actually beneficial.
The 3DS versions look better and have consistent framerates in all cases. Go for those.
>>315380502
MM 3DS is easier than the original, take that as you will.
>>315380864
those goggles look a bit tight cunt
>3DS version of Ocarina makes the Water Temple much less annoying since it's a lot quicker equip/unequipping the Iron Boots
Instantly better
>>315380864
xxxxxD
3DS versions aren't unplayable 15fps slideshows.
I hate Link's face in remake
>>315381084
Yeah I was thinking about that. Ive been playing both OOT and MM lately, and even though I enjoy them, the framerate is really low and it takes some time getting used to. I thought there was something wrong with my Wii, but apparently this is just what its like
>There are people on /v/ who seriously think OoT's 3D remake looks good
It's like you know nothing about art style or animation and just count polygons to find out if a game looks good.
Disgusting.
>>315380502
For a casual playthrough? Definitely the 3DS versions. The only reasons anyone still plays the older versions are either for speedrunning or for nostalgia.
>>315381469
Ocarina has some rough spots, namely the impact crater that passes for a lake and Zora's River. That isn't to say the puke yellow forest doesn't somehow look worse.
Majora's Mask pulls this shit off alot better, game looked like a Dreamcast game in spots.
>>315381443
>I thought there was something wrong with my Wii
Haha, Wii VC versions were actually upgraded a bit so actual N64 were even wrose
>>315381469
There's also stuff like solid framerate.
And little graphical flourishes the N64 couldn't dream of, like specular highlights
>>315381756
Majora's Mask needed the RAM expansion, that's why it looks better.
As for the N64 vs 3DS thing, it's not worth taking the improved models of the 3DS version in return for shitty animations, censorship and a completely ruined atmosphere.
>>315381964
>As for the N64 vs 3DS thing, it's not worth taking the improved models of the 3DS version in return for shitty animations, censorship and a completely ruined atmosphere.
i see you completely skipped the framerate issue. :^)
>>315380502
Play OOT on 3DS and play MM on virtual console or an emulator
Trust me
>>315381964
What? I didn't notice any animation changes from the N64 to 3DS versions. And what was censored?inb4 fire temple music and ganon's blood
3ds for both, if you really enjoy MM it's worth checking out the n64 version too.
>>315381964
>ruined atmosphere.
oh no!! its slightly lighter!! everything is ruined!!!
Yeah no. i'll take better models, framerate and controls over the N64 games.
Also MMs atmosphere is great on the 3DS.
>>315380864
>For OoT in particular there's no reason to play the remake. It looks worse in almost every respect
How can someone be this far removed from reality?
>>315382063
The only thing worse in MM3D was the fast swimming requiring magic, and the Gyorg and Twinmold fights taking ten years.
![1415301571458[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/y1wbnzw.jpg "1415301571458[1].jpg")
>>315381959
Plenty of N64 games have specular highlights stupid. That's not an advanced graphics feature.
And in this case it actively detracts from the visual experience, just like all the washed-out brightness they added so the 3D effect would work better.
Here's a classic example. This scene is supposed to be emotional and foreboding, but they clearly failed to grasp that with the 3DS version.
>>315380502
Forget those shitty games and pick up the best Zelda since ALTTP
>>315382275
Top looks better. The lighting alone does not have any emotional impact on me at all.
>>315382275
Does Saria still do the creepy fade in? That's the best part.
>>315380502
N64 to see what we played. 3ds for an improvement in nearly every way for oot. Mm 3ds has next to no improvements.
Really though emulating them is the best way to play them. You can emulate them even with a toaster from 2006.
>>315382430
Yeah. cut to 4:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtlRw6I1gy0
>>315382146
>>315382115
Just because you are too stupid to notice the problems with the 3DS version it doesn't make you right.
As an artist and animator I cringe every time Link somersaults in the remake. And when he doesn't, because there's also a bug in it where you can no longer do a rolling landing after jumping off a cliff. Instead you just instantly transition from the falling animation to walking normally. What a shame.
I hated the remake of MM. Stuff was changed around for absolutely no fucking reason and it ranged from harmless, but also useless (the bank is now in the Clock Tower), to stuff that actually made the game worse (time moves almost twice as fast as it did in the original, even with the Song of Slowed Time; the new save system).
Prettier graphics can't save bad design choices.
>>315382539
You need to see a doctor.
>>315382415
>The lighting alone does not have any emotional impact on me at all.
Thanks for confirming once and for all what I said previously, that people are just saying the 3DS version is better because they are literally completely ignorant about art and cinematography.
I hope this closes the case OP.
>>315382275
3ds version looks like shit
>link has no discernible expression
>pose has no attitude or meaning
>camera angle is worse
>framing is wrong
>camera FOV is different, perspective ruined
>fairy looks like shit
>saria looks like she's about to leave, not actually a player in this important moment in the game
But no, an increase of 6fps, mirror-mode master quest which anyone can emulate for n64, and some higher polyyet objectively worsecharacter models are worth spending money on
>>315382653
OMG LOOK AT THIS SHIT
i totally get it ugh just look. its ruined.. i hate i hate i hate it!! i get no EMOTION from this trailer at all.
FUCK SAKE ugh. these people are so stupid!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n28ML_RK7M
That's how autistic you sound.
>>315382610
Why, because my opinion is far more developed than yours and backed by solid arguments, while all you've got is ad hominem?
That's called getting schooled son.
>>315382597
The Bank and only save statue at least kept South Clock Town from being useless. But why change the geometry so much? None of it affects gameplay at all, it's like some guy on the graphics team was an omega autist and hated the layout of Termina so shit is moved everywhere.
>>315382275
I think a slight decrease in the effect of some scenes is made up for by the updated visuals. N64 looks like such shit that it's distracting, and there are some locations that have an increased effect on 3DS anyway. Kokiri Forest looks so much more idealized and whimsical with brighter colors. You've never been inside the moon unless you've been inside the moon on 3DS.
>>315382818
That's called autism, son.
>>315382785
>This much butthurt
I think it's time to take your medicine son.
>>315382859
>Forest coated in Mustard Gas
>Whole area isn't surrounded by trees so it looks like a meadow instead of a forest clearing
Kokiri forest is the few areas of 3D that looks like vomit.
>>315382939
Lol you got owned by an autist. Are you proud?
>>315380502
The increased framerate and better controls on the 3ds versions make it way better. Also just because they changed the lighting doesn't ruin the feel of the game people complaining about it are just autistic.
>>315382785
holy shit the frame rate alone makes the 3DS game worth it.
Lighting looks way better in the 3DS version too. Infact everything does.
People are trolling right?
>>315383081
No, they are autistic
As someone who loved both games on n64, I played MM on 3DS recently up to the first dungeon and then dropped it.
How can anyone play a big grand adventure game on a tiny handheld? It just doesn't fit.
If you have Wii U just buy them on the virtual console.
>>315383070
>>315383012
Not as proud as you samefag :^)
>>315381001
This guy knows
>>315383140
>How can anyone play a big grand adventure game on a tiny handheld? It just doesn't fit.
size of the screen really doesn't both me. Infact i prefer it on a handheld. i get to sit on the sofa with my headphones on while my girlfriend watches some celeb/reality bullshit on TV.
personal preference i guess.
>>315383148
Do you... not know what samefagging is?
Hint: It's not when the same person replies to more than one post in a thread.
>giving a shit about a small framerate increase in a Zelda game
I'll take the better atmosphere thanks.
>>315382785
I'm not him but if someone makes a reccomendation thread you can't harp a guy for recommending the version that's better.
>>315383250
>Do you... not know what samefagging is?
I do... :^)
>>315380502
The 3DS verisons.
>>315383278
>>giving a shit about a small framerate increase in a Zelda game
n64 15>20
3ds 30
MM
n64 25-30
3ds 60
yeah really small.
>>315380502
Ocarina is good on either n64 or 3ds, i prefer 3ds for graphics and convenience. MM is kind of weird, it takes longer on the n64, (have to wait for events more often and for a longer time) while the 3ds streamlines the experience with being able to choose a specific time when you play that one song. And god damn the 3ds version really kicked ass with improving the difficulty on the stone tower boss.
>>315383051
I'm pretty sure that's mist and it was in the original version too. I think the hue adds atmosphere and mystery because it looks distinct and separate from the other areas in the game.
I don't really care about the forest being slightly more sparse. You're not wrong, but it's so petty that I just don't give a shit. It's not like there are no trees.
>>315383449
>3ds 60
Majora's Mask on 3DS is 30fps dude. Stop lying for Nintendo.
It's not even double the N64 framerate, just a measly 10fps higher. And don't give me that "b-b-but N64 had some drops in FPS", yeah the 3DS version has drops too in 3D mode buddy.
>>315382539
The fuck are you talking about? I was replaying OoT 3D the other day and rolled after jumping off a cliff. OoT 64's animations weren't perfectly pretty either btw.
>>315383534
It's much lighter and thicker in the 3DS one. I guess because fog doesn't come as naturally as the 64 did so they tried to overcompensate.
It's not a nice effect, though I suppose your right about the trees. Maybe they should have just changed the name instead.
>>315381959
>And little graphical flourishes the N64 couldn't dream of, like specular highlights
ayyy lmao
http://level42.ca/projects/ultra64/Documentation/man/kantan/step3/9-6.html
>>315383762
I kinda like it. In the original it was just drab with awful textures everywhere, but in the 3DS version it looks like a secret and magical place befitting of a bunch of Peter Pan kids. It being so misty sells the idea that it's isolated and perhaps hidden, but it also gives the Kokiri character because they're comfortable and happy living there, breathing the thick forest air and being all mysterious by fading in and out of sight as they decide to be seen or not. It seems like if you went there you probably wouldn't see anyone at all, but all the kids would be watching you in their hiding spots. It's cute and whimsical and I LIKE IT!!!!
>>315383674
>just a measly 10fps higher
I bet you think the human eye can't even process it. Here's something to take into consideration. The lower the framerate, the more important each individual frame is.
>>315383278
>>giving a shit about a small framerate increase in a Zelda game
Watch this. Tell me you can't see a noticeable difference in framerate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n28ML_RK7M
>>315384523
So emulate the original version at 60 fps to get better fps than the 3ds and still get the untainted experience.
>>315383734
No you didn't. You probably just pressed A to roll a bit after landing. That's not the same as rolling to mitigate fall damage, which is done by pressing up on the control stick. And it's incredible that so many people don't notice this bug and even adamantly refuse to accept that it's there. I noticed it within 20 minutes of starting the game.
OP if you can, play OoT version 1.0 on N64, it's the best one. 3DS otherwise.
As for MM, play the 3DS for sure.
>>315384632
Link looks like a pincushion in a green sack that someone drew a face on in the original version.
>>315384632
I don't think you know how emulation works.
>>315384632
the only post that nailed it
How can you people want to experience something through the vision of what some new team redid 15 years after an amazing craft was created?
Would you want some random artist to repaint mona lisa? jesus christ you people have no respect towards the art of videogames
>>315384632
you can't be this stupid
>>315384961
It was an amazing craft using the tools that were available at the time. Now that better tools are available things like the human form looks more convincing than not convincing at all.
3DS OoT is fine, not much changed.
I prefer N64 MM but 3DS is the smoother experience.
reminder
>not much as changed
>>315385324
>Now that photography and Photoshop exists, the original Mona Lisa is obsolete. Here is a woman photoshopped to look like Mona Lisa, but with much more realistic graphics. I suggest everyone look at this instead.
>>315384978
What about my post makes me stupid?
>>315384927
? I've played original when I was 6 and emulated and 3ds later in life. Emulated was best.
>>315384878
Links model is probably the only objectively good change in the remake. Not worth the negatives imo.
>>315385964
Paintings are an almost purely visual medium, video games aren't. Your comparison is shit.
>>315385664
As with most things in the game, the models and textures aren't really the problem with the remake here, even though they've obviously been censored. The problem is something you can't see in the picture, namely that the monster's animations have been dulled down massively.
>>315382415
>Forget those shitty games and pick up the best Zelda since ALTTP
This, desu senpai.
>fish tits censorship
>>315386097
>implying it's not superior
>>315386086
Don't forget the red markings have been entirely removed because "muh blood".
I would never ever play a remake before the original. I played the original Ocarina of Time for the first time a little over a year ago and absolutely loved it. Honestly I have no desire of playing the remake
okay, true facts now
fuck graphics, that shit isn't important
what MECHANICS changes were made in 3ds OoT/MM
I've heard that MM in particular was really fucked with, is this true?
>>315386076
And there are zero improvements to gameplay in OoT 3D. On the contrary, it's slightly worse, due to bugs. The same goes for the story and writing - there are zero new story elements, but some of the writing has been censored, and in other places extra tutorial text has been inserted in the most inappropriate places.
So why should anyone play the 3DS version if an alternative is available?
>>315386270
The save system of MM was massively changed, and that just kills the fun for me
Boss fights and zora swimming are other big changes
>people defending the remakes
I'm not even mad, just sad that you can be so blind
>>315386270
They nerfed the fun as fuck Zora swimming because apparently people are too shit at games to control something fast.
That's enough for me to not buy the game.
>>315386270
If by fucked with you mean made better. The original had events that took a long ass time to complete and a save systen that confused the shit out of me when i was 8, the MM remake everything is streamlined to make the experience enjoyable and quick or slow depending on how you want to play
>>315386359
wrong pic. meant to post this.
>>315386296
Being able to select items quickly and intuitively isn't a gameplay improvement?I agree that the remakes are shit. Zelda in general is dead.
>>315386421
I just finished the remake and it was fine. A lot more good was added than bad.
>>315386531
so who are you as a human being? Do you work for nintendo? Do you have physical copies of oot you're trying to sell? What are your motives for coming to an anonymous ass website and posting lies?
>>315386296
The menus and UI are much smoothed out in the 3DS version, which alone already makes it worth it - remember Iron Boots swapping? The fps increase is also great - it feels much nicer and smoother to just go around as Link in the world. There's, what, four whole lines of dialogue changed, not including the control explanations? It adds a boss gauntlet, too.
Sounds pretty good to me.
http://strawpoll.me/5917861
http://strawpoll.me/5917861
http://strawpoll.me/5917861
>>315386651
>It adds a boss gauntlet, too.
I don't remember this.
>>315386612
Curb that autism faggot
The remakes are fine
>>315385596
This is the only part of the game which I agree the remakes ruined. The final battle had a whole different feeling when Ganon was hiding in the shadows, only slightly seen by lightning.
>>315386704
It's in Link's house.
>>315386670
>No "Play A Good Game" choice
Ganon(dorf) did nothing wrong.
>>315386721
I had no idea.
>>315386704
Sleep in Link's bed
>>315386714
You didn't answer me or respond to me really in any way. Objectively the list of negatives is longer than the list of positives. Subjectively the negatives that are also more numerous weigh heavier than the boons do.
>>315386531
>A lot more good was added than bad.
Aside from the graphics, what good was even added? Because I remember a lot of bad.
>bank in a different place for no fucking reason
>stone mask in a different place for no fucking reason
>time sped up for no fucking reason
>save system changed for no fucking reason
>>315386670
Holy shit the 3DS Ganon looks fucking badass.
>>315382186
>Twinmold fights taking ten years.
Man I didn't know what I was doing wrong there, shit took forever.
>it's a Zelda game this shit should be easy
>am I even using the items I'm supposed to use?
>this shit doesn't fall down
>what the fuck
>oh it's dead
>>315386857
The MM remake did bother me a lot more than the OoT one (which is pretty great generally) - especially the save system is a sticking point. I _get_ why they did it, especially for a handheld game, but definitely takes out some of the urgency I always felt while playing.
>>315386270
Time moves differently
landmarks have been moved around
Zora swimming is completely different
Enemy layouts in dungeons are changed around
New text (But ALL of it are turoials)
Save system is different
Sidequests have been shortened or made easier
Battlesa re rearranged so they're either pathetically easy like Odolwa or fucking marathons like "Why won;t this fucking Red Twinmold die already?"
But the final battle is the same to the letter, they didn't even add health so it's still pathetically easy.
And what did they actually add you may ask?
A measly sidequest and two fishin' holes.
Zelda OOT 1.0 with the muslim chant is the only true option
>>315387009
>Battlesa re rearranged so they're either pathetically easy like Odolwa
Are you implying every boss battle wasn't already pathetically easy? You know this is Zelda, right?
>>315386976
And, if you're like me and can play the game mostly from muscle memory, you'll forget to save after resetting to the first day at least once.
>>315386670
It's a different feel really. OOT Ganon is a lot more frightening and menacing while OOT3D Ganon looks a lot more Powerful and Dangerous.
>get to the final battle in MM
>get the diety mask right before
>assume it'll be helpful
>spam the same attack
>boss dies in seconds
I wish I knew, killed all excitement I had for the final.
>>315387091
I love when people post lists and shitposters who don't have anything to say pick out one thing and then go on a tangent.
From all the screens being posted the most atrocious thing seems to be the lighting. Why did they feel the need to crank the brightness up to 11?
>>315387229
Because the game is 3D, which has an inherent light loss. Screenshots are kind of deceptive here.
>stopping the BOMB bag thief
>shoot him with FIRE arrows because why the fuck not
>he fucking explodes
I'm not sure what I was expecting
>>315387186
Good job dodging the question.
>>315385964
If you're judging the painting on its visuals instead of the context in which it was painted, then yes, Mona Lisa could definitely be improved although it already depicts the human form realistically enough so it doesn't really matter.
Does cremia still stuffs link's face on her tits in the remakes?
>>315387262
Gunna have to go ahead an be the first poster to say bullshit. Parroting something you've read on v doesn't make it true.
>>315387267
Can you still do that in 3D? Seems like an odd thing to keep in (Alongside the Allahu Akbar guy in Stone Tower) considering how Aonuma thinks the original was 2spooky for him.
>>315387305
Just like you dodged his points? I'm not the guy who made the list faggot.
They retooled boss fights but didn't have any fucking game plan when they did so. Like they had four different groups go do whatever they wanted.
>>315387341
Google it, nigger. 3D visuals having a light loss has been one of its problems forever.
>>315387452
I know exactly what you're talking about and it doesn't have anything to do with the lighting changes in oot.
>>315387445
then the original is objectively better
>>315387267
He explodes with regular arrows too.
>>315387324
>>315387371
Yes and yes.
>>315387371
>Aonuma thinks the original was 2spooky for him.
Source?
Someone should really compose a list of stupid shit Aonuma has said about the series, or has done in it's name.
>>315387487
Makes me laugh how hideous N64 OoT is when I see all the defense for it ITT.
I'm not a grafix fag but OoT 64 was always fucking hideous beyond belief.
>>315387509
Then what does? I have the game right here, and the light changes are noticeably not as bad on the system as on a screenshot.
>>315387706
Most 3D N64 games that aren't Conker are pretty hideous.
>>315380502
3DS versions are better in every way. Ignore the retards saying 64 versions are better.
>>315387781
Yeah, which is why it's one of the shittiest popular systems.
>>315387229
>>315387262
Uh, no you fucking retard. "Inherent light loss" are you completely fucking... wow.
The 3DS version is extremely bright and washed out for two reasons:
1: Because Nintendo caters to people who want to play the console outside, and god forbid it should be hard to see in a dark cave.
2: Because the stereoscopic 3D can't handle strong contrasts without visible ghosting effects, which is actually still a problem in this game even with all the increased brightness.
In other words, the game looks like shit because Nintendo cared more about user friendliness than aesthetics.
>>315387749
They opted for a different lighting system bruh. Also yes your phone or computer has a better picture than the 3ds I'm not sure what you're getting at.
>>315387706
No one is defending the originals graphics compared to the remake. Objectively remake is better. The issue is the huge amount of baggage that comes with those graphics.
>>315388097
There are people ITT saying the original is objectively better.
Fuck off atmosphere fags. That darkness is because the lighting is shit, not intended.
>>315388097
3ds has a smaller resolution
Link's hat is super wiggly in the 3ds remakes which is one of those minor things that shouldn't really matter, but seeing his green hat moving all over the place all the time quickly becomes annoying as fuck.
They are better in every other aspect apart from that.
Asian moot should add "objectively" to the word filter list.
>>315388183
? It is. Just because the 3ds version is prettier doesn't make it better.
>>315388229
Zelda games should be bright and colorful until the point that evil takes over anyway. I'm pretty sure when your game has shit like a wiggling lady who says "I'm not dances, my back itches, ooh aah" it's not going for an oppressive and grim atmosphere (until it obviously is, like when you're in the market as an adult).
>>315388401
Children generally can't handle games before sixth gen because MUH GRAFIX.
>>315388401
It's also better because of motion controlled aiming, how equipping things works, boots being items you can quick select, the game being portable, etc.
>>315388535
Most NES games look better than OoT N64 though.
>>315388591
>motion bow aiming
Holy fuck this was amazing. Good point.
>everything else
trivial, casual filter, worse off for it. respectively
>>315388743
>changing the entire item system around is trivial
>boots being selectable casual
what?
>>315388945
I could flip through the menus with my eyes closed and select what I needed to in next to no time at all. It's a tiny tiny change.
>>315389213
Being able to do things you're doing a fuckton of times in such an item-based games quicker even by a few seconds makes a pretty big difference in gameplay. And don't pretend that boots change isn't for the better, come on.
>>315389427
I'm not saying it's not for the better. I'm saying the benefits do not outweigh the negatives and that emulating the original is the best experience.
>>315389525
What are the negatives here? The 3DS version has added content, updated graphics, and.. that's about all the differences there.
>>315389427
>selecting boots
>a few seconds
Do you have cerebral palsy? Or mental retardation? Or legal blindness? Or no thumbs, fingers, or toes, so you have to play the game with a proxy sitting next to you, and you have to tell vocally tell them what buttons to press on the controller? Because there's no other reason switching boots should take longer than one second.
>>315382415
>>315386087
Capcom games (Oracles, Awakening, and fucking Minish Cap) were better.
>>315390178
>Because there's no other reason switching boots should take longer than one second.
the menu animation takes more than a second to load.
Nice speg rant tho.
>>315390054
Except yknow the bugs, the lighting changes, randomly retooled bosses. Changed dialogue. Randomly retooled areas. Censored enemies.
But it's kk anon.
>>315380502
I would choose the orignals.
The remakes are interesting, but I personally don't like the look of them.
The studio they handed the game to didn't do a proper job in my opinion.
Also...the tutorial rock, and the extra signs everywhere. I don't dig it.
ACTUALLY
One temple is so much better due to the touch screen functionality. I won't spoil why, but lets just say you needed to go to the inventory screen over and over again.
Again, I prefer the original visual style, but that temple....yeah.
>>315390425
What the h*ck is the tutorial rock? I've played through the game twice and I don't think I've ever seen it.
>>315390376
>bugs
You're saying 3DS has more bugs than the N64 version? Don't kid yourself.
>Lighting changes
Fair enough, but not a dealbreaker.
> randomly retooled bosses
You sure you're not thinking of MM here?
>Changed dialogue.
4 lines, all of which minor. Stop this shitty meme.
>Randomly retooled areas. Censored enemies.
The censoring sucks, but is pretty minor. The retooled areas are never worse.
Let's get one thing straight and you don't even have to lie at this point, since I know it's true. When this game came out, or when you were first able to play this game, you probably shit your pants at how exciting this game was. You probably played it all day and all throughout the night. And you probably also jizzed your pants after you beat the game. You know you loved this game. Spare me the bull shit about how this game sucks now when you were practically deep throating it as a kid. It was the best game of its time.
>>315390548
>What the h*ck
Anon why do you do this to me.
>>315390597
I'm talking about both remakes. I'll admit the oot remake is better than the 3ds remake but they're both really fucking disappointing. Especially when they could've been wii u games at 1080p.
The fact of the matter is they took an amazing game (arguments for it being the best ever aren't insane) and gave it to a studio who didn't give a fuck.
The fact that you think the lighting change isn't a deal breaker just goes to show we have two very very different outlooks on videogames.
>>315390867
Just look at >>315388229 to see why it isn't a dealbreaker for me. A lot of areas actually gain a lot of atmosphere through the new graphics.
What if I prefer the lighting in the 3DS version? It's bright and colorful and Hyrule is a beautiful place that I'd like to spend time in. I like how there's more of a contrast between Hyrule as it was and as it is when you're adult Link too.
always play the original.
>>315390867
>it's worse because it just is
>>315390959
Mm definitely got fucked less by the lighting in general but it's the cut scenes that are hit hardest by the lighting changes.
>>315390273
I prefered ALBW but it doesn't matter.
>Bird's-eye view Zeldas >>> 3D Zeldas
>>315390613
>posting this again
The best game of its time was Metal Gear Solid. OoT was a good realization of Zelda in 3D mechanically, but I thought the overworld was lacking and it felt a little clumsy at the time.
For instance the bow; it's useless in combat when usually it's one of the best items.
There are lots of little things like that which 3D Zelda games still do to this day, such as moving the camera to show the door locking behind you. It's pointless, and a little grating after the millionth time.
>>315390273
>LA
>capcom
It's not.
>>315380502
Honestly, if it IS your first time, experience it like the developers meant it to be experienced:
Get a Nintendo 64 and a CRT TV and go play.
If you can't do that:
>Get RetroArch
>Emulate game with resolution set to 320x240
>Use crt-hylian-glow as shader to simulate a CRT properly
have fun!
Ocarina looks and feels like shit on the 64, the 3DS fully improved it and added new dungeons. MM3D fucked up the first boss, but looks significantly better and it has a saving system that ISN'T retarded! Also, there's a mission book so that's pretty good.
Ocarina: Shit, don't bother
Ocarina 3D: superior, has the Ura Zelda dungeons in Hero Mode.
Majora: Good
Majora 3D: Better, but made one of the bosses a really bad joke. Saving is not stupid.
>>315393073
>appreciates CRT
What. the. fuck.
>>315384609
I can see a difference in the framerate, but who gives a shit honestly. It's a Zelda game, the combat is so simplistic those 10 extra frames hardly make any difference to how it plays.
I'd rather take better atmosphere and 20fps than worse atmosphere and 30fps in a Zelda game.
I wouldn't necessarily make this choice for other types of games, but it's a damn Zelda game. You literally lose nothing other than slightly less smooth animation. But you gain atmosphere, you gain the artstyle that the people who made the originals intended, you gain no censorship, and you gain the original less handholdy experience.
Let's face it, the people who prefer the 3DS version are just graphics whores with no taste for actual artstyles.
>>315394220
atmosphere isn't any worse in the 3ds versions
>>315385596
>in-game screenshot vs photograph taken of the 3DS screen
epic.
kill yourself
>>315386421
yeah, fuck them for turning my bacon strip boss into an actual monster!
>>315386670
>shitty generic cloudy day at 6pm
vs
>the fucking apocalypse happening right in front of you
I'll take the 3DS version. Thanks
Ah yes, rupee-head Malon is soooo much better.
>it's okay if my nostalgia N64 game has muddy, shit-smeared textures
Get the collectors edition of WW, it has OoT, MM and Master Quest.
>>315395575
TP looks like shit! It has no colors! Muddy textures everywhere!
But it's okay when N64 OoT does it!
3DS versions are the definitive versions. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a nostalgia. Majora's Mask especially is an improvement as they dropped the asinine, overly complicated save system for a more traditional one.
>>315395776
*nostalgiafag
>>315395449
Why are you comparing Adult Malon with child Malon?
>>315395575
Poorly coded N64 emulators (which is all of them) are known for making the textures look even worse than the real console.
>>315396169
Those are both adult Malon, child Malon has a single colored dress with no belt.
>>315395623
No it does not, just OoT and MQ (Although they are good versions to play, as well as the Wii versions). MM was not until the Collectors Edition you got with a new gamecube or a promo from nintendo, and that version is buggy as fuck.
>>315380920
Don't forget the item shops and other stupid gimmicks.
>>315395776
The revised Star wars films are the definitive versions. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a nostalgiafag.
>>315394220
>but who gives a shit honestly
I do. Low framerate games put strain on my eyes.
Don't care what game it is. Id prefer shit graphics no lighting blocks with a solid framerate over anything.
>>315394220
>Let's face it, the people who prefer the 3DS version are just graphics whores with no taste for actual artstyles.
No. People have different opinions.
That's like me just saying. You N64 fags only prefer it to have a nostalgia wank over your 20fps shit looking game.
See.
Also the art style used in the remakes was based on the actual art of the N64 games.
>>315381768
god the wii version of MM is fucking garbage though. Freezes all the time and has worse textures than the original
>>315396478
Oh! Yeah just saw it. Sorry.
>>315396717
>Low framerate games put strain on my eyes.
That's bullshit if I ever heard it. Eyes get strain from CRTs if the refresh rate is too low, but when playing a game console the refresh rate (the flicker) will always be 60hz no matter how often the game display is updating.
On a flatscreen technology like LCD you have even less of an excuse because it only updates the changes and does not flicker.
So don't give me that garbage. Low framerates only affect gameplay and animation smoothness, they literally cannot give you a headache if the display refresh rate is high.
>>315393785
pixels look different on crt, they were MADE thinking of CRT monitors, you will get a very different look than what was intended if you're not using/emulating a CRT screen.
http://www.tested.com/tech/gaming/2982-a-link-to-the-past-how-to-add-crt-filters-to-16-bit-games-on-pc/
Lonk's face looks terrifying in the old versions, he looks pretty cool in the 3DS remake, so I'd go there. Alsothat 3DS fine ass Zelda is worth it
>>315397037
a stuttering image can give you eye strain and a headache. If you notice the stutter and focus into it.
>>315397221
Sounds like your problem is psychological and not physiological.
>>315397051
comparison
>>315397319
yeah because enjoying a visible stutter in an image is super fun and not eye straining at all.
>>315397421
goddamit uploaded wrong image
>>315397431
>stutter
I don't think you know what that word means. Stutter implies unevenness. A low framerate is not necessarily uneven. You can have a "60fps" game with more stutter than a 20fps game.
It's not like the 3DS version has a 100% stable framerate either.
>>315397604
>It's not like the 3DS version has a 100% stable framerate either.
KICKASS HOMEBREW on a n3DS fixes that issue.
You telling me the video you watched doesn't strain your eyes? the n64 frame rate is murder on the eyes. Literally see every frame.
Nausea inducing.
>>315397857
young fag detected
>>315398002
i wish i was young. Worryingly i'm probably older than most the people in this thread.
I got OOT when i was in highschool.
>>315380502
They're short games. Why not just play both and see for yourself?
The 64 versions are gloomy and set a dark mood, but the 3DS versions have a lot of cool hidden details.
>>315380502
you are 10 years too late and will probably not enjoy it
>>315380502
OoT 3D, Majora's Mask 64.
>>315395112
>random eye
lol
>>315398531
Majora's eye. it's been corrupted by an ancient evil!!
didn't actually bother me desu tho i can understand why some people might be triggered by this.
>>315390597
>You're saying 3DS has more bugs than the N64 version? Don't kid yourself.
It does, this is widely known to be true.
>>315391513
>For instance the bow; it's useless in combat when usually it's one of the best items.
what? i think you have it backwards there, OoT bow is awesome, the previous games in the series the bow was fucking garbage
>>315398531
I didn't like the eye at first but it added some new strategies to the boss fights, the bosses became more memorable which I was pleased about.
>>315381959
>muh framerates
Spot the autist.
N64 versions are better in every single way for both.
>>315398929
>muh atmosphere
The autist is you
>>315397857
>You telling me the video you watched doesn't strain your eyes?
Oh come on.. It's not that bad surely i'll just load youtube video and..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvV56AJS8dY
Holy shit. I had no idea it was so shitty.
Actual Zelda fans will tell you to play the original.
Poser "Zelda fans" who enjoy Toon Link and puzzle solving (because of autism) will tell you the remakes.
The real Zelda fans are correct.
Ocarina of Time 3D is a massive let down, such a waste of potential, just as boring as it was originally. Majora's Mask is much, much better.
>>315380502
OoT is basically the same for all versions, the 3DS made the water temple a bit easier which is meme status hard (it really wasn't)
MM should be played on 3DS as it takes away the unnecessary and obnoxious save mechanics
>>315398687
OoT is one of those early 3D games that's completely broken in places. Its hitboxes are all over the place, enemies fuck up, graphics and momentum can completely fuck up.
The 3DS versions are better.
>>315399005
>muh atmosphere
Neo-Nintendo fans everyone!
>>315399153
>I didn't play the game but let me just say the atmosphere is worse!
remember when you last bought a Nintendo game? probably not
>>315399028
Cool ad hominem.
No I don't like either version of your rehash repetitive boring games.
Nostalgiafags will tell you to play the original
People who actually care about the franchise will tell you to play the remakes, the better versions.
>>315393705
>the 3DS fully improved it and added new dungeons
what? there's no new dungeons
>>315399250
>remember when you last bought a Nintendo game?
Mario Maker actually. Fuck off neo-nintendo.
>>315399357
mario maker isn't a game, it's a poor mans mine craft
>>315398828
Yeah, I was probably forgetting you didn't have to aim in first person. It has been a while.
>>315399056
And the remake has all that plus more bugs they introduced
>>315399557
OOT was shit to begin with, nothing really lost with the addition of more bugs.
If you enjoy Nintendo butchering the atmosphere of their games then by all means play the remakes.
>>315382539
As a regular person who is neither an artist nor an animator, you're a dumb cunt.
Nobody gives a shit about who you are if your opinion is still stupid.
>>315380502
The 3ds versions of both are objectively better. Anyone who says otherwise is either shitposting or nostalgia fagging.
>>315399649
It makes it better honestly, I agree.
>>315399009
After you play for a while, you get used to it and don't even notice the framerate.
Actual people that played it back in the day remember this very well.
The very first time I heard people bitch about the framerate in OoT and MM was maybe in 2005, 7 years after OoT came out.
>People think obtuse saving makes a game better
I bet you people will defend ink ribbons in resident evil too
>>315399357
you're calling people neo-Nintendo while showing through your posts that you didn't even play the game you're talking about, bruv
>people are complaining about the fucking frame rate of an N64 game
Young "gamers" are just the fucking worst.
>>315400483
Them having a low frame rate doesn't make them bad. But if there's a version with a better frame rate then play that version. Simple.
>>315400483
i grew up with a Pal N64. You have no fucking idea how painful that was.
OoT for us was like 17fps
Here's an interesting fact about OoT on N64, the game engine actually ran different things at different speeds.
The display was updated 20fps.
The collision detection was calculated 20fps
But controller inputs were read at 60fps.
In-game menus are at 30fps.
File select menu is at 60fps.
>>315400809
>You have no fucking idea how painful that was.
Nobody gave a shit back in the day. The fact that a game with as big of a scope as OoT even ran on a console at all was considered good enough.
Unreal at on my 1998 PC ran at less than 17fps.
>>315384709
>noticed it within 20 minutes of starting the game.
I'm going to guess that's an issue with your game that or you're jumping from a great height you can't roll from.
That said OP go with the remakes especially OoT 3D because it has boss rebattles and master quest along with a better framerate.
I prefer N64/GC just because I can't stand using the circle pad. The remakes themselves are fine but that thing is a piece of shit. Maybe the XL/New versions are good though
>>315387186
Did it ever occur to you that those points might not actually be relevant?
just emulate the originals for free
the changes will never be worth the forever inflated nintendo prices of the 3DS games
>>315403587
Stop buying used then.
>>315382653
>art and cinematography
You're talking about a childrens game for the N64. Get some perspective son. Just because the remakes are better than the original doesn't mean that your treasured childhood memories will be gone, you manchild.
Threads about the new multiplayer Zelda game get 10-20 replies and die, while a thread on the N64 Zeldas gets over 250 replies. BAKA desu, /v/.
