Heaven's Feel has been the best route so far, I must say.
Worst girl.
Sakura is quite possibly one of the most unintentionally despicable fictional characters ever written.
>>315372197
Don't be like that anon. Now open up!
![[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 25 [720p].mkv_snapshot_12.01_[2015.06.27_14.18.44].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dLyJITS.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 25 [720p].mkv_snapshot_12.01_[2015.06.27_14.18.44].jpg")
>>315372197
>>315372324
forgot image
>>315372197
Sakura did nothing wrong.
I too am a fan of semen demons
>>315372020
>not unlimited blade works
Pleb
Post the worms pic
>>315372530
>Naruto Blade Works
>>315372530
The best.
>>315372608
Nah.
To this day I still don't understand the hate for her.
You have a rape victim who instead of hiding in a corner crying, she mans up, finds love, takes a proactive effort for said love, fucks with her rapist, kills her rapist and ultimately gets her love.
I guess /v/ really doesn't like strong women.
>>315372727
Are you even the bone of your sword?
>>315372794
The whole point of her story is that she is weak.
>>315372727
I like all the routes, but UBW will always be my jam.
>>315372872
>>315372870
Did we read the same route ?
>>315372530
>nothing fucking happens for 2/3 of the story
>then the game drops on you a twist you already figured out because Archer is the only person in the universe besides Shirou that uses projection magic
>"I'm going to kill you to change fate, even though since in the Grail I exist outside of time and shit won't change for me anyway"
>Gil jobbing the 2nd hardest he's ever jobbed
>best route
Are you fucking serious? UBW is the Ciel route of Fate, pointless.best girl though
>>315373017
>nothing fucking happens for 2/3 of the story
But that's HF. The whole route is nothing but massive kitchen build up for last two days.
>>315373017
That Caster/Kuzuki/Assassin combo tho
>>315373073
>But that's HF.
Except you know, what happens during the "dreams" at night.
And when Saber encounters true Assassin.
>>315373017
>nothing fucking happens for 2/3 of the story
Is this HF? My god man, UBW is widely regarded as having the tightest story with the best pacing as far as narrative goes.
>"I'm going to kill you to change fate, even though since in the Grail I exist outside of time and shit won't change for me anyway"
Yeah, that's kind of the point, anon. Archer was having a mental break down and only wanted to take his frustration out on his past self. At best he'd somehow poof out of existence, at worst, he could prevent his other self from going down the same path by killing him.
Wild card though was him realizing Shirou was actually right.
Why does Ciel hate Arcueid?
>>315373017
VNs are not videogames
>>315373017
What exactly is the outcome of the story there? I mean, it’s just… Archer never really gave up on his ideals. He just got tired of being forced to kill people under Alaya’s orders, even if it is “for the greater good.” One would think the obvious answer is that Shirou should just make sure not to make a pact with Alaya, and that’s all he really needs to worry about. But overall, there was so much vaguely philosophical talking that I totally lost track of what they were trying to say. The other two routes mostly manage to avoid this by either not going as deep, or just throwing away the ideals full-stop.
>>315373148
>My god man, UBW is widely regarded as having the tightest story with the best pacing as far as narrative goes.
Best pacing by what factor? I finished Muramasa last week, UBW felt like a fucking snail by comparison.
>>315373017
Ciel route had a way better conclusion than Arcueid route. Way better drama and conflict, too. Just shame that there's so much overlap with the route you probably did first that many people get too bored with the similar content to get properly invested in what's different and the heroine.
Most underrated route, and most underrated girl. Praying the remake makes some adjustments to make it less of a slog for readers.
>>315373269
Mods are still allowing them.
>>315373175
Tsukihime remake whereor anime, Ufotable-sama pls
>>315373269
fate series has actual video games though so you're shit outta luck
>>315373346
>wanting an anime
>when you could get six routes with incredible graphics
>>315373325
>most underrated girl
>>315373319
In the very least compared t the other two routes. It's 50k words shorter than either of the other two routes. It cuts down the exposition from Fate and HF significantly.
I mean this is something Nasu himself admitted, and the reason it was given the TV series. Check the first few paragraphs.
who /rider/ here
>>315373384
Remake would be preferable, yes.
>>315373325
>suppressing a demon in a vampire hunter's ass
>>315373354
Well the OP is about Fate/Stay night visual novel in particular and not about the Fate videogames so YOU'RE shit outta luck faggot baka
>>315373447
who isn't?
>>315373447
yeah I'd ride her if you know what I mean
>>315373148
Archer was just fucking around, he knew that due to multiple realities even if he stopped this Shirou there would still be another one making the same choices somewhere else.
He was really just desperate to get out of the grail and stop being a counter guardian.
Also no, the whole point is that Shirou isn't right, his ideals are simply not compatible with reality and it doesn't matter how strong he gets, and how much he's willing to sacrifice alone, there will be one day when he finds himself on a situation he can't handle and that day he'll break,
Archer just recalled how beautiful his past self's convictions were, he still didn't think Shirou was "right".
>>315373175
Inherent bias against vampires (because of Roa)
Roa is also obsessed with Arc and she even serves as his driving motivation, so she can't help but associate Arc with that
She's trying to bed her cute kouhai
Probably more shit about her association with Roa
et cetera
>>315373319
UBW had Lancer. Your argument is invalid.
>>315373325
I think Ciel makes a much better supporting character than heroine. Hell, she's downright cool in Akiha's route when she convinces Shiki he isn't the killer.
>>315373596
I was so sad that she didn't get a cameo when Lancer exited the show. Waver got one in the boring epilogue, so that kind of makes up for it.
>>315373596
>UBW had Lancer.
But it didn't have a cute suit of armor
>>315373325
>>315373539
>Archer was just fucking around
No, no he wasn't. He wanted to take his anger out on Shirou, and in the very least, prevent another murderer like himself from coming into the world.
>He was really just desperate to get out of the grail and stop being a counter guardian.
This is true, and he had slim hopes that killing Shirou would change something, but he knew deep down it wouldn't. He just wanted to crush Shirou.
>Also no, the whole point is that Shirou isn't right, his ideals are simply not compatible with reality and it doesn't matter how strong he gets, and how much he's willing to sacrifice alone, there will be one day when he finds himself on a situation he can't handle and that day he'll break,
Archer presents all the potential people he'll let down and even kill on his path to becoming a hero, and, unlike how he expected, Shirou didn't back down. Shirou knows he can't save everyone, but he will do his best, because he knows what he's aiming for isn't wrong.
Archer comes to realize it isn't wrong either, that's what his monologue at the end is about. He admits his ideal was right.
Seriously, I can't possibly understand how anyone can come out of UBW thinking Shirou was wrong, when the defining phrase of the route is "It's not a mistake".
>>315373790
>>315372872
Seriously, defining fucking phrase.
>>315373758
Odd, the image didn't post
>>315373325
The problem with Ciel is that, without playing her route, all you get is an extremely biased perspective on her (considering she detests Arc and considers you fair game at times if you help her). On the flipside, her route covers most of what Arc's already does (the concept of vampirism and unnatural beings, the main players in the story, etc), so it feels old hat after playing Arc's.
She's really a doomed character. Unless one plays her route first (unlikely), she usually leaves a bad taste in epople's mouths.
Poor Ciel.
>>315373837
I love you for using a screen cap that isn't from styled subs.
>>315373790
Goddammit I want to finally see UFO's Fate. BD fucking when?
>/v/ likes a VN series that is chuuni as fuck
Why am I not surprised?
>>315374008
Now. They're out dude, with English subs.
Just not UTW.
>>315374039
>Just not UTW.
What's the point then?
>>315374039
Why would anyone wait for UTW?
HF>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UBW
UBW was just your generic shonen shit, even had ANAL with worst girl. HF was better in every single way, and it did a great job of showing shit was getting real even though not much was going on. I feel genuinely bad for every faggot that saw Fate/Zero before experiencing HF, it just fucks up so many cool twists.
>>315374113
>even had ANAL with worst girl
No, HF was the one that had the Rin scene with that.
It also wasn't anal, Shirou just liked looking at Rin's ass.
>>315374113
>doesn't appreciate best girl's anus
>>315373790
>Shirou Emiya
Fuckin' Triggered.
>>315372020
Wow, so much blood! This must be a great game for intelligent and sophisticated individuals such as myself.
>>315374230
How the fuck is generic tsundere bitch #900000023 best girl material at all?
>>315374248
That's part of the localization process, you weeaboo trash.
>>315373148
I don't think it was that he realized that he was right, but that Shirou was deeply convinced in his heroic ideal, probably moreso after having Archer antagonize him over it.
>Seriously, I can't possibly understand how anyone can come out of UBW thinking Shirou was wrong, when the defining phrase of the route is "It's not a mistake".
Because Heaven's Feel is basically him confronted that he can't save everyone.With Sakura, he has something more than an ideal to defend and something he was willing to sacrifice everything/one else for.
I don't think even Archer ever got to realise how much Shirou meant to her.
>>315374310
Rin is the least violent and most hopeful character to Shirou in all the VN.
That's a straight up fact.
>>315374396
Adventuring out into a dark city during a time of magical war to save her school mate. What a kind person.
Shame she didn't seem to give a shit about her dad dying or her mother being crippled.
>>315374335
Keep staying a degenerate mongrel while most people out there have actual ears and pay attention to the words being spoken.
While it might make sense to have the English wording work that way it looks retarded when you listen to the actual Japanese audio pronouncing it the other way around.
>>315374113
>UBW was just your generic shonen shit,
THANK YOU. I swear, no one ever points this shit out. Though honestly it applies to most of Nasu's works in general, just moreso with UBW. I'm sorry, but the shit they're saying isn't meaningful, especially when it all boils down to "I'm right if I beat you."
Especially considering everything Shirou embodies is just mamoru, the same ideal used by the majority of shonen heroes. No, I'm not going in the opposite direction and saying Shirou should be edgy. I'm just saying be something less generic.
>>315374396
Aside from the whole 'if you keep agreeing with me I'll put you under a spell so you can't stop me killing my sister' thing.
>>315374370
>I don't think it was that he realized that he was right
He admits that it was not a mistake.
You seem to be painting this narrative that Shirou is somehow in denial of things, when it's really very much the opposite. HF wasn't the first route that said Shiou couldn't save everyone, UBW outright spoke it, and Shirou's response was that he was fine with that. He would do his best, even in the face of killing others.
I mean that's what Archer showed him. A future where he kills, and kills, and ultimately fails in upholding his ideal of saving everyone, but that doesn't matter, because he will.
Also the story of FSN is not linear. HF isn't a final or definitive answer, it's simply another option. UBW's answer is wholly valid.
Is there a reason to reach out to any of the spinoff/other product outside of the original VN? I always felt it was complete enough and I could pass on any of the other stuff.
>>315374663
Fate/stay night, Fate/hollow ataraxia and Fate/Zero are the only good stories from this franchise. The rest is soulless cashgrab shit.
The best thin about Sakura is that if you choose her, you actually get the best girl, Rider, absolutely free as tour mistress.
This is a known fact.
>>315374534
>when it all boils down to "I'm right if I beat you."
That's not it at all though anon. Shirou didn't win the Archer fight through force, he won because he made Archer realize he wasn't wrong in his ideals.
Wanting to help others isn't wrong, and Shirou is willing to embrace that path, even if it means destroying his own humanity,
>>315374663
Read Hollow/Ataraxia. You get to know Lancer's original master, Kirei's daughter and the Angry Manjew.
>>315374774
>>315374775
There's a reason Saber gets her answer here as well. Shirou is willing to make the same choices that Arthur made, and he will make them without regret.
>>315374663
Zero is a fun ride even though /a/ hates it because of muh secondaries. Extra is okay/10 but you can pretty safely skip it if you're not that interested. Apparently Hollow Ataraxia is good but I still haven't gotten around to it.
>>315374735
fate/extra ccc was fucking great
>>315374926
>browsing /a/ at all
>browsing the /r/anime of 4chan at all
>>315374641
HF seemed the only point where he's actually tested on that though. He's fine with the concept of killing others to save the majority until he actually gets to the point of killing someone he cares about to do it. UBW Archer never seems to come across that and it's just the nature and cycle of killing that gets to him rather than any particular death.
>>315374663
Hollow/Ataraxia adds more characters and a few more explanations for things. There's always a a reason to watch Carnival Phantasm.
>>315374008
https://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=747828
>>315374775
>Shirou didn't win the Archer fight through force
Except he did, because he used force to show he has the strength to enforce his ideal.
>Wanting to help others isn't wrong, and Shirou is willing to embrace that path, even if it means destroying his own humanity,
Again, the problem isn't his ideal, the problem is it's UTTERLY GENERIC. I don't know how old you are, but I'm near 40 now, and I've gone through characters like this since before you were born, too many of them to count. And you know what, a lot of them in the old days were more interesting characters. Kabuto Kouji believed in protecting everyone, but he was also an asshole that treated his girlfriend like crap basically just because it was the 70s and you could do that (and she was anime's first tsundere).
Shirou brings nothing new or interesting to the table. He's the same character I've seen a hundred times with nothing new to him.
>>315374663
Fate/stay night - The main thing
Fate/hollow ataraxia - semi-sequel to said main thing
Fate/Zero - prequel to said main thing
That's it, really.
>>315375018
>HF seemed the only point where he's actually tested on that though
That would be true if the Gil fight didn't happen. The Gil fight is Shirou's point of taking action instead of just speaking. He saves the city, and he is willing to kill to do it. I mean he did this to Gil. He was going to kill him.
It's true that Shirou was presented a specific instance where he had to choose between a loved one and others, but we know just about everything we need to know about him. He will do his best to save people, but he knows there will be times when he needs to be all business.
>>315374735
>>315374840
>>315374926
>>315375018
Fuck I always putted off Ataraxia for some reason. Guess I'll work on that, cheers.
>>315374775
There's no good reason for him to be broken, it's just forced and completely stupid. Nasu always tries to make a character seem "deep" but fails. You can't just defend a character by saying "he's supposed to be like that." Because you can say that about literally any character, every character is good then, because they're supposed to be what they are. Shirou's tragic past isn't even tragic, he has no reason for constant monologues because he's not really a fake, his motivation doesn't make sense in any context. Shirou is shit, just because he's supposed to be shit doesn't make him less shit. He's not a deconstruction of a hero just because he repeatedly talks about justice. He doesn't actually say anything interesting, anything that provokes thought. He's a shallow tryhard character with no real substance. And he's just boring as hell. A moralfag that is supposed to be an "underdog" when he has a harem, plot armor, counter to the strongest enemy, and friends that can give him a new body when he dies. How idiotic do you have to be to pretend to like the writing in this VN just because you think the heroines are attractive?
>>315375226
>Except he did, because he used force to show he has the strength to enforce his ideal.
Except for the fact that Archer could have killed him countless times over. The entire fight was structured on him trying to break his past self's will, and Archer's continued frustration at the fact that no matter what, Shirou didn't back down. It reached the point of where Archer himself started to wonder if Shirou was on to something, and eventually he realized Shirou was in fact right.
>Shirou brings nothing new or interesting to the table. He's the same character I've seen a hundred times with nothing new to him.
People still readily talk about Shirou 10 years later my friend. He's interesting because there are nuances to him that some people just don't get. He comes off as fairly generic at the start, he is explored in depth, and outright had multiple varying character arcs depending on the route.
>>315375270
Here's a download. As usual, just extract and play it.https://mega.nz/#!XtEnmKbJ!0WcKOUsgzSLd8KHTJ05EZxjWMwPa4MsTE_aQ4dR7W40
>>315375359
>There's no good reason for him to be broken
He was one of the sole survivors of a catastrophe that killed hundreds of people, including his own family, and was never given any sort of psychological help regarding it. How exactly is that not a good reason to have issues?
And while you have the right to as many opinions as you like, saying he has plot armor is a little ridiculous when there are 41 endings where he dies.
>>315375658
He made Gilgamesh his bitch, which was probably the strongest character in the VN. Because he was written to counter his powers. Everything always goes well in the end for him, the drama that comes beforehand mean nothing because of the predictable plot armor. I know there's one ending where he "dies" but of course he gets a new body anyway. Low mana boo hoo I have a harem boo hoo doesn't matter when everything conveniently goes my way and I can defeat characters I shouldn't be able too.
>>315375773
So did Sakura.Are you a Zerobaby?
>>315375974
>Zerobaby xDDDD
Back to >>>/a/
>>315375773
>Everything always goes well in the end for him
Except for the one main ending where he dies, and stays dead (HF Normal), and the other main ending where he outright admits that he may be walking a path that leads to death and suffering. That again is ignoring the 40 other endings where he just dies or something terrible happens to him.
>He made Gilgamesh his bitch
The Shadow made Gilgamesh his bitch, and much easier than Shirou, but you don't seem to bring that up. Shirou winning against Gil was very circumstantial, and was extremely thematically important as far as the narrative went.
>I have a harem
Shirou never really has a harem in the VN. He generally sticks with one girl and that's it. Even UBW Good has him firmly in a relationship with Rin, with Nasu himself relegating Saber to a mother-like figure.
>>315376060
He was written specifically to counter the strongest servant, negating any kind of tension. I don't know why you defend shitty writing just because of generic waifus that aren't even great.
My big problem with it is that it's a pretty cool concept that's completely squandered by its execution.
An international mage competition where a bunch of wizards from different magic traditions come from all over the world to plot and scheme and murder each other with mythological servants? Well, that sounds really cool and fun, but then you get to the actual thing and no one is really interesting at all. I mean in Fate/Stay Night half of the contestants all go to the same fucking school. Like they were just kind of there anyway. Zero at least kind of makes an attempt, but still turns out kind of bland.
I think that part of the problem is that the stories tend to focus more on the servants, when the masters are the more interesting part.
>>315376241
The Gil fight was a thematic response to the answer Shirou gave Archer, which was that he was going to follow the path of becoming a hero. The narrative presented him the King of Heroes, and told him to beat him.
There's a lot going on underneath there. It's the climax of the theme of "imitation" throughout the route, with Shirou, the imitation, who has an imitation ideal, with imitation powers, and an imitation hero, going up against Gilgamesh, the original. He's the original hero, with the original weapons, and a goal of wanting to kill everyone, as opposed to Shirou wanting to save everyone.
By beating Gilgamesh, Shirou shows he has what it takes to follow through with his path, and prove that an imitation can surpass an original.
>>315376241
>He was written specifically to counter the strongest servant
That's how themes work, yes. Gil is the King of Heroes, Shirou is the imitation hero. To prove the worth of his ideal, he surpasses the original.
It's consistent with the in universe rules and foreshadowed several times. Get your head out of your ass and pay attention next time
>>315376241
No, it's just coincidence. Saber is also a counter to Gil, and that's just limiting it to Fate.
>>315375453
>People still readily talk about Shirou 10 years later my friend.
That doesn't mean he's good, it means the people talk about the character. This isn't Eye Wide Shut where to this day people go "what the fuck was that movie about?"
>He's interesting because there are nuances to him that some people just don't get. He comes off as fairly generic at the start, he is explored in depth, and outright had multiple varying character arcs depending on the route.
Are you fucking kidding me? Are you really pulling what's basically a 2deep4u?
How much stuff have you read/seen, and I mean seriously. Takaya Aiba is a good example of how to put a twist on a mamoru character, and he has a better arc of how he develops despite in some ways his ideals coming close to UBW Shirou's. He like Shirou loses everything, and to twist the knife further his former friends and family are now the generals of the enemy thanks to mind-controlling bugs. Like Shirou, his powers are destructive to his body (and after his midseason powerup, instead makes him lose memories every time he transforms) and severely shorten his lifespan. And his main villainous rival is his brother who wears red and uses two swords and hates Takaya because his existence sickens him (and because the bugs enhance his jealousy).
How does he differ from Shirou? Because instead of being a generic nice person who upholds the ol' "zettai ni mamoru", he's standoffish, violent, brooding, and for half of the series pushes everyone away from him because he's fighting a bug war by himself and thinks they'll just get hurt near him. That may seem cliche now, but it wasn't in 1993, half a decade before those character types got popular. Yet despite that, he never gives up trying to protect the people he pushes away, even though by the end he loses so much. See that's what I mean, he did something NEW with the archetype.
But more importantly, you should watch the show
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmX564UTabE
>>315376441
Being inspired by someone doesn't make you a fake or a hypocrite. It happens all the time in the real world. There's nothing wrong with it, and there's definitely no reason to monologue the same shit for hours hoping repetition makes it more meaningful. (It doesn't) Copying someone's dream doesn't make you a bad person if the dream is good. Shirou's long ramblings about justice are kinda laughable when you realize he's just saying " I'm a good guy who wants to do good things. I'm a fake because I was inspired by Kiritsugu. I need to be melodramatic because of my inner struggle which itself doesn't make sense."
He's not a faker because of "trace on" either. Using someone's weapon doesn't really make him a fake, unless he's really claiming to be the original wielder. If I picked up Kiritsugu's gun, it doesn't mean I'm trying to be him. If I went around pretending to actually be Kiritsugu, only THEN can I be considered a fake. Borrowing someone's weapon for a while doesn't really make him a fake either. The whole "boo hoo I'm a fake, I'm a hypocrite" is just chuuni nonsense to try and give the character some substance. Maybe to hide the fact that he's a bland shounen hero, Nasu tried to portray him as the biggest underdog. Despite the fact that he has literal plot armor, and his UBW is the specific counter to the strongest servant's powers.
>>315372197
>Unintentional
Did you miss the parts where every major character blows her the fuck out repeatedly?
>>315375453
>People still readily talk about Shirou 10 years later my friend.
Pseudo-intellectuals still interpret Fate as some literary masterpiece for some reason. Shirou's inner struggle is poorly written and makes no sense in itself. It's just unnecessary melodrama for the sake of melodrama.
>>315375359
He LOST his sense of self in the fire. There was no foundation. Only an ideal as a bandaid that became his sole meaning for existence.
If literally dying and being brought back to life by Avalon (henceforth becoming a "Sword") is not a reason to be broken, I don't know what is.
>>315376602
Those are the same people that treat Eva and MGS2 as a masterpiece.
>>315376512
>This isn't Eye Wide Shut where to this day people go "what the fuck was that movie about?"
It's funny you say this, but people to this day still readily misunderstand Shirou, particularly the part with his fight against Archer. I'm not saying it's deep, but there's something there.
And listen dude, you can have all the opinions you want, but it's true that some people miss some stuff regarding his character. You see it in this thread, and you see it in plenty of other threads. There is a bit more to him than what's on the surface level.
I mean he literally does have multiple character arcs, unless you somehow think UBW and HF are the same.
>>315372020
>Heaven's Feel has been the best route so far, I must say.
I've been telling people that for a long time now. People who never played Fate Stay Night just don't believe it. They just go by whoever is the best girl to them.
I don't think Sakura is the best girl either, but her route is definitely the best one.
>>315376512
>Shirou
>generic nice person
Shirou has complete disregard to societal rules or even sense of morality. His "morality" is only governed by his ideal - "making people feel good would make me feel happy so making them feel bad is wrong". Did you even read the "bye, Shinji" ending, or are you just shitposting to shill your shounen shit?
>>315372020
>Heaven's Feel
Sounds retarded.
I bet this whole video game picture book is retarded.
>>315376539
>Copying someone's dream doesn't make you a bad person if the dream is good
Yeah, and that's the answer Shirou receives. The rub comes in the fact that he's presented with a future that's full of suffering and failure, and his response to that is that it's still worth it.
The struggle lies not in him coming to understand his ideal, he knew it from the beginning, but from him going to comprehend the weight of all it means.
>"boo hoo I'm a fake, I'm a hypocrite"
I don't remember Shirou moaning on about him being a fake at all, I remember other people moaning on about him being a fake, and him responding by holding on to his ideal, and then coming to realize being a fake isn't wrong.
>>315374663
Prisma Illya is unironically the pinnacle of Fate
outside of Carnival Phantasm, of course
>>315376930
Authors like Nasu, Nisio and Maeda write primarily for an endemic audience. They couldn't quite cut it as real authors of compelling literature so instead, rely on audiences that are amazed by simple prose, mediocre themes and and unimaginative settings. These authors also pad their stories with useless females and get artists of considerable skill to draw them in the most appealing of ways, otherwise no one would recognize these girls as characters of a story.
>>315376539
There is a difference between being "inspired" by someone and literally living for the sole purpose of fulfilling their ideal.
>Despite the fact that he has literal plot armor, and his UBW is the specific counter to the strongest servant's powers.
You aren't even processing what anybody is saying. Stop repeating the same arguments.
>>315376959
Fucking this.
>>315376930
I personally just can't take the VN seriously because of the harem and moe parts and too many children who want to be strong. I always considered as shounen/harem mix. I don't like genre mixes in general to be honest. I don't want to see comedy when I watch something serious. It detroys the atmosphere for me. Comedy is for parodies like CP.
Look at this thread. 90% here are defending a moe harem hentai VN with stuffed lions, cute lolis and blushing King Arthurs who suck cocks of school kids after knowing them for a few days.
>It isn't a harem
Which is why it has routes in which you have sex with the chosen girl and which is why Shirou has a bunch of girls around him who even partially live in the same house and which is why they had to genderbend male characters to make them fit the harem
>Who cares?
Too many children already. Lolis make it worse. Sad but I can't insert into kids or atleast not anymore and I don't find them cute.
>People will suck your cock after only knowing them for a few hours and a few minutes.
Many people yes. And this is actually a bad thing and has nothing to do with romance or friendship which the VN pretended to show.
>>315376997
>simple prose
I assume you read F/SN in Japanese?
>mediocre themes
Disagree. F/SN deals with topics 99% of VNs do not.
>unimaginative settings
>the Nasuverse
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>315373790
I think the moral dilemma's presented in the Fate franchise are rather poorly written. Kiritsugu showed an almost completely inability to use critical thinking. His thinking basically came down to kill one spare the other. Of course, given time limitations and dire circumstances, people don't always get to think things as through, and there are situations in which hard choices have to be made, even if they'd seem unfair and even evil to some. However, from what we saw, Kiritsugu was rarely shown in those type of situations and yet he always showed an extremely narrow-outlook of things.
Shirou is the same. In Fate and UBW he barely had to go through situations in which his resolve was actually tested through actions. At worse he had to let those nearly-dead-kids at the Chapel's basement, but other than that you don't see much real development on the path of justice. Even in HF Shirou was still far too bland, as there weren't many real dilemmas here, since Sakura was a victim.
I think the ideal of justice is something great and worth commending, but the way it is presented in the Fate franchise seems very half-assed.
>>315377085
Why do people always bring up the porn when Realta Nua's existed for years?
>>315377085
>>315377085
>personally just can't take the VN seriously because of the harem
It isn't a harem.
>too many children who want to be strong?
What? Also, F/SN is about how ideals we internalize as children play out in the real world.
>I always considered as shounen/harem mix.
It's a seinen. The current manga adaptation is serialized in a seinen magazine. There is no harem.
>Which is why it has routes in which you have sex with the chosen girl and which is why Shirou has a bunch of girls around him who even partially live in the same house and which is why they had to genderbend male characters to make them fit the harem
Illya is his fucking sister, Taiga is his guardian. It's not a harem when there is romance with a single girl per route.
>>315377169
>>315377085
>>315376539
Oh. Google these posts. They're all from /jp/, with two of them from 2013.
Don't bother responding.
It still hurts, /v/.
>>315372020
How do you adapt Fate Stay/Night into being more of a video game?
Would Cyberconnect2 be able to do the VN justice?
>>315377246
>It isn't a harem.
Anon I'm not even that guy but come the fuck on
>>315377259
>troll copypaste
/v/ should really be above automatically ignoring legitimate criticism of anything as 'le trolling'
>>315377271
Damn it, why did you have to remind me?
>>315377246
>Illya is his fucking sister
And?
>>315376747
>It's funny you say this, but people to this day still readily misunderstand Shirou, particularly the part with his fight against Archer. I'm not saying it's deep, but there's something there.
There's a difference. People misunderstand Shirou because they're idiots. People misunderstand Eyes Wide Shut because the half the movie is dream sequences and symbolism.
>There is a bit more to him than what's on the surface level.
Yes, and what's there isn't particularly interesting, and certainly not innovative.
>>315376834
>Shirou has complete disregard to societal rules or even sense of morality.
Except he doesn't. Shirou's problem (in 2 routes anyway) is that he takes the Japanese ideal of 一体感 to an extreme, becoming pure selflessness in pursuit of a greater good. Essentially a humanistic form of utilitarianism, which funnily is what his father believed in on the extreme logical end and was shown to be wrong.
>or are you just shitposting to shill your shounen shit
Except Tekkaman Blade isn't a shonen anime at all, it's a mecha anime.
>>315377312
Leave blond King Arthur with a vagina sucking a Japanese school boy's cock out of this.
>>315377312
Why would you use the fanservice ending as your example?
>>315377271
I hope it inspires Nasu to finish the Tsukihime remake. R.I.P Miyu Matsuki
>>315377347
Dude, there's a thing in TM threads where people copy and paste shit either from /jp/, or NeoGAF, or MAL, or other places like that in an attempt to fuck with people.
>>315377432
Arthur still exists.
>>315377492
Go shitpost somewhere else Gawain.
>>315377384
>People misunderstand Shirou because they're idiots.
Well you certainly seem very confident that lots of other people are stupider than you. Listen pal, I'm not saying it's super deep, but if you can't understand something fully without a little extra help, there's probably more than nothing there.
>Yes, and what's there isn't particularly interesting, and certainly not innovative.
And hey man, if you don't like it, you don't like. By all means, no one's forcing you.
You will never protect that smile
>>315377550
That's King Arthur you dumbass.
>>315377384
>Except he doesn't. Shirou's problem (in 2 routes anyway) is that he takes the Japanese ideal of
At the very beginning of the VN he admits that he WANTS people to be in danger so there exists something for him to save others from.
He is not driven by morality or conscience. The clear parallels with Kirei only reinforces this.
>>315377550
But my King must be acknowledged, even if he is in another universe.
>>315377312
That's Rin's harem, though.
>>315377441
It's 4chan, the home of shitposting, what did you expect? Friends drinking coffee while casually discussing their favorite stories?
It's not fair.
>>315377593
>Well you certainly seem very confident that lots of other people are stupider than you.
Do you know how many people on /a/ didn't understand what Shirou meant to Archer when he said that just because what Archer said is true doesn't make it "right"?
>>315377784
I think it's more expecting /v/ not to be shit when it's been like that for years.
>>315377818
>/a/
>the /r/anime of 4chan
Don't set your expectations high.
>>315377818
whoops quoted wrong post. I meant for >>315377579
>>315377818
That line wasn't even in the VN so I'm not sure how it is relevant. Unless we're suddenly discussing the non-canon shit anime.
>>315377784
No, but there's a difference between shitposting, and just posting random shit from other sites.
>>315377874
No, I'm saying that if people can't understand how doublethink works, then yes I consider myself smarter than them.
>>315377818
Can you not understand that people were itching to make a meme with that more than anything? It wasn't that people didn't understand, it was just they wanted another "people die when they are killed".
People actually do misunderstand shit all the time with FSN though, and frankly that shouldn't seem like a shocker, considering it's longer than the entirety of the Lord of the Rings + The Hobbit.
>>315377798
Her last few messages were fucking heartbreaking.
I mean seriously, they through her a birthday party where she got a wedding cake, because she really wanted to be married.
>>315377983
Why'd the Hobbit have to be 3 movies?
>>315377983
The problem is that most people speedread the VN in order to get to Zero, or just halfass it and watch the anime.
Hence the:
>Shirou has no reason to be broken his trauma isn't even that bad!
>Archer was right!
>Shirou Rin romance is forced!
>Shirou defeating Gilgamesh is an asspull!
Fucking secondaries
>>315378092
Hackson.
>>315377983
I don't get it, how is it possible to compress routes into 13-26 episode shows if it's that long?
>>315378115
>The problem is that most people speedread the VN in order to get to Zero, or just halfass it and watch the anime.
How could you even know this?
>>315377983
>People actually do misunderstand shit all the time with FSN
I'll never understand how when literally every character gets at least one monologue completely explaining who they are, what they're doing and why they want to do it.
>>315377092
>Disagree. F/SN deals with topics 99% of VNs do not.
Full stop. Can you back up that claim with any proof? Because you would have to have read 99% of VNs to know that that's true.
And Nasu is not a good writer. Asimov is a good writer, Nasu is someone with interesting ideas but not enough writing talent to make something great out of them.
>>315378168
Because most posts on /a/ are "I wanna watch Fate/Zero, what do I need to start with?"
Zero is one of the best selling and acclaimed anime of all time, it isn't surprising that people just want to do whatever they can to quickly get to it.
>>315378157
Because there's so much drivel in Fate/stay night it's easy to focus on what scenes matter. They removed a ton of dialogue in the show.
>>315378115
Don't forget plot armor.
>>315378157
UBW with the prologue and opening days is about 250l words long, so it's not unmanageable, and content-wise, it was more like it got 30 episodes.
Now watching the UBW movie, which compressed it into 105 minutes, oh boy...
>>315378157
By skipping over the shitton of internal commentary
>>315378240
Sounds like torture to play through a PC game that has more text than The Bible just to watch an anime.
>>315378254
250k*
>>315372020
>so far
But its the last route...
Anyway, yeah its the best.
>>315378228
Look, you want someone to compare Nasu to? Hideo Kojima.
>>315378326
That isn't really a compliment you know.
>>315378228
At least Nasu saved Urobuchi's career!
>>315378349
I know it isn't, but that's the best comparison to make.
>>315378228
>Can you back up that claim with any proof?
A dissertation of the essential nature of heroic ideals; pragmatism and selfless actions for selfish reasons. Emotions and logic. Facades in society. Consequences of our actions. Regret. Nihilism. Meaning of existence and sense of self. Meaning of choice. Perception of people. Perspectives on good/evil. Consent and fate. Societal values and morality. And a shitload of other things.
>>315378313
What a fucking ride
Here's something to ponder.
Can it be said you actually read Fate/Stay Night if you only read it in English?
Also recently I saw F/SN+F/HA set in Akihabara for around 12000 yen. Do you think it's a good price?
Is this series safe for kids to watch? I need to keep my friend's son entertained for a while.
>>315378461
It's a fine price for what you are getting out of it. The art book is great to look at every once and a while.I wonder who decided to have Rin and Sakura naked on the cover...?
>>315378470
Show him Dragon Ball.
>>315378461
>Can it be said you actually read Fate/Stay Night if you only read it in English?
No, but you can get the general gist of the plot and characters.
>Also recently I saw F/SN+F/HA set in Akihabara for around 12000 yen. Do you think it's a good price?
Don't support Type-Moon or Nasu until they stop milking Fate and get the Tsukihime remake out.
>>315378470
No.
>>315378350
>saved
Saya was very popular.
>>315378403
You know Muramasa dealt with literally all of those topics and did it better, right? Hell all the things you mentioned were staples of Nitro+ works.
>>315378403
Yeah, it "tackles" those subjects with all the force of an infant tackling a professional linebacker.
>>315378470
>>315378538
I have some hope for at least Tsukihime remake's trial on the next summer Comiket. Would be really cool.
>>315378538
so you'd rather they milk something shittier
>>315378569
>>315378546
Urobuchi was going to commit suicide.
>>315378598
brutal
>>315378663
Is Nasu that much of a bro?
>>315378546
Urobuchi had a serious writer's block until Nasu came along and helped him out, offering the Fate/Zero project to him.
If not for Nasu we wouldn't have Madoka or Psycho Pass.
>>315378598
There's another bit where a delusional guy who is just hanging onto his dear life rapes the woman he loves with a lot of rape imagery
>>315372020
Only because the actual war between Masters and Servants wasn't that great. Killing that annoying faggot Gilgamesh off early was the best, though.
>>315378663
Which wasn't because of his career, it was because of depression. He had written a very popular VN only a few years earlier.
>>315378714
>Urobuchi had a serious writer's block until Nasu came along and helped him out, offering the Fate/Zero project to him.
That's not saving your career, that's getting you out of a slump.
Saving Urobuchi's career is what Madoka did after Blassreiter.
>Psycho Pass
Tow is more responsible for that.
>>315378428
I cant believe it took them this long to decide to animate Heavens Feel.
Really cant wait for the movie.
>>315372197
Kek, Sakura is hated for being a "whore"
Literally everyone else no matter their gender in this VN is a whore
She's hated for being a "doormat" in some routes, that's because of those fucking worms
>>315378598
I'm only reminded how much moreheartwrenchingthis was in the VN
>>315378789
I wasn't the guy who said it "saved his career", but no, we wouldn't have any of Urobuchi's post-F/Z works if Nasu didn't help him out at that time.
>>315378598
Movie version and TV versions went for some interesting, if different tones. TV had him being extra casual, like he was wondering whether or not he left his oven.
Movie version though he was just a complete fucking psychopath.
>>315378842
Everything was more heartwrenching in the VN because Miura is a fucking hack who couldn't make a good anime if his life depended on it.
>>315378902
>we wouldn't have any of Urobuchi's post-F/Z works
Good, he hasn't written anything good since Saya. Even Gaim was a subpar KR.
>>315378949
Put your trip on Cooking Priest.
>>315378949
>>315378985
I guess /a/ and /v/ are one and the same.
Prisma Illya spectacle fighter when?
>>315378954
Madoka is his masterpiece.
>>315379076
What are some video games where I can play as a magical girl?
I can't believe some people think Urobuchi came up with Kiritsugu when Nasu said like five times that Kiritsugu was the negative of Shirou.
>>315379301
Fuck off, Nasu is a HACK who could never approach the level of quality demonstrated in the avant-garde Fate/Zero.
>>315379301
People attribute Uro with creating a lot of characters he didn't. Waver is Nasu's, for instance.
>>315379301
Urobutcher didn't make Kerry, he just made him an edgelord
>>315379353
Urobuchi even said that Kiritsugu's whole character was meant to be a negative of Shirou/Archer. What are you smoking?
>>315379301
Was Zero being used as an entry point a mistake?
Hell, the butcher even said he wouldn't release the Zero Light Novels in the US because S/N wasn't out over there, since they're tied together.
>>315379419
It was Kondo's idea. They didn't think of making a Fate/stay night anime until fans cheered for the PSVITA opening clips, you know the ones I'm talking about.
>>315379413
But Archer is Kerry if he became a Hero of Justice through Shirou.
>>315379419
Yes, but it's not like Ufotable could do a lot. DEEN was still working with FSN when they were starting their projects.
>>315379419
>Was Zero being used as an entry point a mistake?
You tell me.
>>315379463
Oh for fucks sake.
It's bad enough DEEN made a subpar adaption as it is, but this?
Uno – Among your works, even if we put side the issue of sexuality, it seems “Fate/Zero” is a turning point. Of the works before it, “Saya no Uta” is a good representative, where we can see a composition in which catharsis is obtained by means by giving priority to personal emotion over social mores when both are present. On the other hand, after “Fate/Zero”, the style is shifted to a direction in which the strength of the story was pulled up and tension was raised by continuously taking in concepts of morals and social responsibilities. The depiction of Kiritsugu Emiya in “Fate/Zero” is typical of this. [symbv: Kiritsugu Emya is the protagonist and master of Saber in “Fate/Zero”]
Urobuchi – I wrote it in the afterword of “Fate/Zero” too. It was the time when I got so troubled by the fact that as much as I wanted to write a heartwarming story, somewhere in me just could not believe in legitimate happiness but I had to move the work to a happy end, and I almost wanted to hang up my pen. From very beginning, to opt for the individual instead of the world, to affirm his own desire and ambition is to me an absoulte bad-end. If the world should be destroyed then there was no salvation whatsoever left. I think in the past I just picked the escape route by landing the story in way that is a bad-end in a macro perspective but a happy-end from the individual's point of view. However, “Fate/Zero” is a story that had the individuals fallen into misfortune but got the world saved. Perhaps this became the turning point like you said and finally I could write my happy-end. After that, be it “Eisen Fluegel” or “Madoka”, I approached to write works in which the protagonist may face ruin and destruction but to the world it holds a good ending.
http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Shinjidai_no_Mixture_Magazine_BLACK_PAST
does anyone remember waiting for the patch to come out?
Remember waiting months for someone to make a shitty installer?
>>315379463
Honestly I'm glad Ufotable adapted Boundary of Emptiness instead of F/SN. It's a much better novel and needed the popularity boost.
>>315376578
>>315376637
>>315376834
Gee, I can't wait to invest tens of hours into a picture book that reads like this
>>315379597
I never bothered playing the Heaven's Feel route and deleted it because they were taking too long
>>315379612
Learn Japanese then?
>>315379607
Kondo: I worked with TYPE-MOON on the Garden of sinners, and while that definitely led to Fate/Zero, it was a piece that was beyond that. The two of us, along with Mr. Takeuchi and Mr. Nasu, as well as Aniplex producer Atsuhiro Iwakami, tried to make something even better as a team. Maybe you call it a piece that we arrived at by building on those expectations. That said, at the time to make an anime of Fate/stay night was the furthest thing from my mind.
Miura: When we were making the opening cinematic for Réalta, we were working concurrently on the Fate/Zero anime, so my only impression is that we were busy.
Is this a type moon girls thread ?
>>315379779
>>315379779
Sure.
It'd be nice to discuss Type Moon vidya as well.
>>315379779
I never found the Fate girls attractive but Mahoyo's are really great.
Remider that Tsukihime is just a rip-off of Kizuato.
>>315379825
MELTY BLOOD Actress Again Current Code got a new patch.
>What's New:
>- Nrvnqsr Chaos, Len and Fully Armed Ciel's scenarios are now edited and playable.
>- Edited scenarios and win quotes for: Sion, Arcueid, Ciel, Akiha, Hisui & Kohaku, Hisui, Kohaku, Tohno Shiki, Arima Miyako, Wallachia, Nrvnqsr Chaos, Vampire Sion, Berserk Arcueid, Yumizuka Satsuki, Len, Fully Armed Ciel, Aozaki Aoko, White Len, Neco Arc Chaos, Kishima Kouma, Tohno Akiha (Seifuku), Riesbyfe, Ryougi Shiki, True Ancestor Arcueid, Dust of Osiris.
>- Changed instances of Knight to Templar and fixed typos.
Game:https://mega.nz/#!y08RyC4K!aLmLG2utZ-l5rmB51V_EBNxaS-bVHMaeW96Tueff7aA
Patch:http://www.mediafire.com/download/iiwsvh4jn3w4wc6/MBAACC_English_Beta_20151102.7z
>>315379719
nice rebuttal there
>>315380074
Meteor clearly had a positive influence on Nasu (in the atogaki of the first volume of Fire Girl Nasu mentions that Meteor pretty much caused him to totally rethink the way he writes - I buy it, personally) and the simple fact that Mahoyo isn't ridiculously bloated and filled with exposition like Fate goes a long way toward making it more pleasant to read.
>>315380074
Refute what? Everybody knows that the translation is shit, but it is (currently) the only one available.
If you're going to complain about prose, learn Japanese.
>>315379839
I like every works of Type moon but Fate. Not sure how I should feel about that.
>>315380036
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>>315380539
It's my least favorite too. KnK a best
>>315380602
What is Type-Moon's involvement in this game anyway? I saw a few of the characters drawn by Takeuchi on Danbooru.
Rin is supreme.
>>315380036
WHEN WILL THEY FUCKING FIX RYOUGIs MAP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>315381793
Do you mean the "...not nothing heart" level? You could already play that in versus mode.
>>315380602
What's this?Does it have Ryougi?
>>315381851
Under Night In-Birth
Sion is a bonus character who wonders when French Bread will release the next Melty Blood game
>>315380779
If you mean supreme bitch, then yes.
>>315380602
If you make a good game people will continue to play it no matter how old it is.
>tfw no bazett route
>>315382170
>tfw no bazett cameo in ubw
>>315381851
sort of
>>315382328
>No kimono
Dropped
>>315382328
Thousand night, Recurrence night, Reverie end Invite, and... [7days Immoral] Unreal Black Things.
>>315376578
Doesn't Rin cry like a dumb bitch in the last dead end, begging for mercy and death when Sakura showed more grit as a ten year old? Showing she's just trying to set Sakura off in the actual ending?
>>315382598
Yes.
>They wanted to do a new Melty Blood (tentatively Melty Blood HD) but they need to find a way to continue the story first. At the time, TYPE-MOON's Kinoko Nasu (author) was busy with Mahou Tsukai no Yoru, so the project is postponed.
>However, UNI is completely new project. It's not based on Melty Blood HD prototype.
>They fear that UNI won't sell because it's an original work (not based on any popular work). They had a bad experience before when they did self-published stuff (doujin).
>They took a challenge by making it an arcade game instead of a doujin game. One of the reasons is there's no real brand new fighting game at the moment.
>UNI is distributed through Sega's ALL.Net P-ras MULTI. (A network that distributes arcade games to game centers, same with Taito's NESiCAxLive and Konami's e-AMUSEMENT Participation. The shops take no risk of losing money on buying dedicated cabinets each game, but they share income with the network owners.)
>The first idea in the development of UNI is "something different from Melty Blood." This's why it has no aerial combo like MB.
>They said MB has "launch, aerial, then air throw" impression.
>They feel relieved after getting good feedbacks from players, especially about characters and world setting.
>UNI is about ground game so they were worried about Hilda which is (as they said) the only projectile-dependent character in the game. (Boss character Hilda was unlocked as playable on November 2.)
>They said Vatista (also has long-range projectiles) is different from Hilda. Vatista is wait-and-see character.
>Eltnum is actually a modified test character from "Melty Blood HD." They had some time after the early stage of development and they wanted to add one more character but they didn't have enough time to make a complete new character. They had permission from TYPE-MOON.
>Narita personally wants to distribute [UNI PC version] on Steam.
>>315374537
fell right into this trap my first time through
>>315373312
Fate is basically an intro. It shows how arthur her thoughts and shirou his thoughts are the same. And even though they want to sacrifice themselves they hate it if they see someone else try the same. Showing how hypocritical they are.
In UBW shirou goes all the way in his believes. He runs into himself and then accepts that while he cant save everyone, it is still a beautiful ideal and it is at least worth pursuing to some extend.
In HF they show what happens if the one you cant save is more important than the others. (robber/bank idea but then the robber is sakura nad the bank is the other people) and shows shirou giving it up.
