Still feeling good about your preorder?
>>315319937
You can literally crop any map from any game over another to give the false appearance that they're scaled the same.
I'm not even shilling, this game looks terrible and so is this thread.
>>315319937
Is this true?
This sucks fucking dick
>>315320290
>4000x4000
>>315319937
>1086x1085
???
Fuck off you autists.
Now post them to accurate scale.
Also, never ever trust a developer when them mention how big their game world is. The most accurate way to measure is to fine one end of the world, and walk to the other at normal walking speed and measure how long it took. Every hour is 3.5 miles.
Most games you can walk across the world in less than an hour but they boast shit like 256 square miles of area or some shit.
>>315319937
once you single out the areas with literally nothing in them other than LOLRAIDERS or LOLMUTANTS or LOLENCLAVE the game is a lot smaller than you might remember
Stop posting dumb shit. Fallout 3 map was something like 18x18 and 4 is 27x27 or similar.
>>315319937
Holy shit is this true????
>>315319937
>Doesn't even line up the Highways to the same size.
Fucking retard.
>>315322267
that's some good memory you have to remember every spot that doesn't have stuff in it
>>315322267
good, now do the same with the FO4 map, take out the empty areas.
>>315322592
It's like he played the game or something. Personally, I feel he's being too kind since there are way more spaces that are just empty wasteland, but his point still stands.
Now for the actual truth
>>315319937
comparsion to industrial standarts
>>315322592
It's not hard to be honest, especially with fallout 3 since most of it is literally wasteland with nothing and I mean NOTHING in it, DC is completely copy pasted underground shit with 10 unique vistas at best and millions of invisible walls, New Vegas is by far more open despite the stupid invisible walls, it also has more meaningful content as a whole, it's also cohesive and makes sense both for the world and the setting, the Capital Wasteland has no business being like that in THAT specific year...like...at all.
>>315322806
You meme loving fuck, my point was that bethesda used to make gigantic worlds with nothing in it so a small world could easily mean they are simply compacting it for the sake of not wasting resources giving you hours to walk on nothing, they are doing the skyrim approach with fallout 4, it's a small as fuck world with more proximity dungeons and shit, expect copy pasted vaults instead of dungeons and zombies instead of Draught
>no one but me is laughing at the OP
You guys are fucking slow.
More importantly, we need to exterminate all Indian scum. They're filthy, autistic and barely even human. Every single one reeks.
>>315321907
I'm kind of glad my county isn't in the game knowing how much it's gonna suck now.
>>315322312
Adding onto this. Fallout 4 is revealed to be 28x28, and Fallout 3 was 17x17.
>>315320290
NV was so disapointingly tiny.
>>315323030
Nice try Todd
>>315323281
>don't shitpost like a retard for replies and post the truth
>"HAHA TODD FUCKING SHILL"
epic
>>315321680
Should've bought a new pair of shoes with that money, Josh.
day 1 pirate
thanks todd
>>315323246
It begs the question of how many of those blocks have any content
>>315323575
Well, 1/3 or 1/4 of the map is water, so there you have it
Still better than unclimbable mountains because you can actually explore underwater
>meme gun crafting only has 23 possible combinations
>map is less than half the size of daggerfall's, a game THEY MADE IN 1996
>virtually no customization of your own character, nothing matters
>only 7 sets of armor
>base building is limited to a couple of houses, doesn't do anything for you
>no interesting dialogue options
>story is short and generic, very little side missions
>100% completion in just under 40 hours, only one ending
>UI that looks like it was made by a toddler in ms paint
>most buildings can't be entered
>loot system sucks
All of this has been CONFIRMED by leakers. Surprise, looks like Todd lied about everything, again.
>Citation Needed: The Thread
>>315323701
>implying that daggerfall didnt have a bland near procedurally generated flat map
>>315323701
>half the size of Daggerfall
Daggerfall was the size of Great Britain you fucking retard. If you weren't talking out of your ass you would know that if that were the case the map would be fucking massive.
>>315323701
New Vegas had 6 power armor sets fucktard
>>315319937
Yes. Yes, I am.
I sincerely hope this doesn't upset you.
>>315319937
>preorder any game
Is there seriously anyone so retarded as to do this in 2015?
>>315324308
>less than half the size of daggerfall
technically he's correct, its like saying a dog is less than half the size of the moon
>>315323701
>only 23 possible combinations
>very little side missions
>map is less than half the size of daggerfall's
>100% completion in just under 40 hours
Are you fucking serious? You're making all this up. I'd really like a fucking source. Not going to believe you until then, because this is all LOW even for Bethesda standards.
>>315324531
>Come on, guys, it's THE CURRENT YEAR and you're still doing this? Ugggh
>>315324171
>>315324308
I said LESS than half the size, which is even more insulting. I expect improvements over a game made nearly 20 years ago now, especially considering it was the same company who made both games.
>>315324337
Who the fuck said anything about New Vegas? I'm talking about 4, and that includes all types of armor sets besides the meme customization of the power armor which doesn't actually do anything anyways.
>>315324812
If you said less than half the size of something like Oblivion your statement would make much more sense. Saying it's less than half the size of Daggerfall is like saying it's less than half the size of Arena.
>>315324812
To be fair a lot of Daggerfall was just randomly generated stuff.
Not as if any of their later games are any better though.
>>315323701
Where are your sources for these highly speculative claims
also
> Map is less then half the size of Daggerfall
> A procedurally generated map
Oh wow what a fucking shocker.
Prove your shit.
>>315324696
>>315325405
It's all in the Neogaf thread, you can check for yourselves
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1128645
>all these fucking "less then"s
Holy
Fucking
Shit
LESS THAN
LESS *THAN*
>>315324812
Holy shit, do you even read what you bludgeon your keyboard with. How exactly is armor customization a meme? Jesus christ seriously! 7 power armor sets is a hefty amount, considering that new vegas and 3 had less (with dlc) and noone complained then.
>>315323701
>>meme gun crafting only has 23 possible combinations
This is fine. Why does every game have to be Borderlands with 1 billion combinations, 90% of which make no real difference?
>>map is less than half the size of daggerfall's, a game THEY MADE IN 1996
Games in 1996 also looked like ass. Quality>Quantity
>>virtually no customization of your own character, nothing matters
Cool source. It's not like the leakers have even found every piece of clothing yet. There is no way you know this for sure
>>only 7 sets of armor
Armour is Armour, it protects you. Why does it have to be a fucking fashion show?
>>base building is limited to a couple of houses, doesn't do anything for you
Quite literally what was shown off then you mean? It always looked limited and gimmicky. Beth didn't lie here
>>no interesting dialogue options
"not interesting" is an opinion, not a fact
>>story is short and generic, very little side missions
opinion, not fact
>>100% completion in just under 40 hours, only one ending
gonna need a source for this one
>>UI that looks like it was made by a toddler in ms paint
It's fine. a little garish, but we'll live
>>most buildings can't be entered
No shit, nukes killed them
God, all those words, but nothing of value said
>>315323031
>He thinks Witcher is that big
>Split into 4 parts
LOL
>>315325796
>God, all those words, but nothing of value said
I agree so fuck off.
>>315325610
>linking to neogaf
end yourself
>>315319937
Fuck you, you shitposting liar. I love NV and I think FO4 is gonna be a steaming pile of shit, but you should atleast be honest about it, you nigger.
I lined up the major roads and fit them so they have the same width. Now it's very possible that either game will have different road sizes, but this comparison seems the most fair. NV's playable area is somewhat smaller than FO4's playable area if you subtract the water, but there will probably be mountains scattered around the edges of the map that I'm not accounting for,
>>315326078
Instead of that, you should have lined up the squares of each map
wow fo4 is only .000000000000000001% the size of minecraft
dead on arrival
>>315326237
I don't think the squares are the same scale
Does a single grid square represent like a 1sq mi or are they just for aesthetic effect
>>315326332
Well they seemed to be the same scale for 3 and NV... so I am a bit optimistic and hope they are same in scale which would mean that atleast we get a bit bigger map
>>315322592
I haven't played Fallout3 in like 5 years and I can still attest to that map.
As long as you don't quick travel everywhere, it's easy to remember which areas actually have shit in them and isn't just large swathes of nothing.
>>315325610
Not sorting through 120+ pages of content senpai. And also the fact that they're actually still excited about and circlejerking over the leaks tells me there's practically no negativity in that entire thread. So, nice lies there.
>>315325992
Also this
>>315326078
Can you post just the 4 map
>/r Fallout banned leaks thread
LeL
The leaker said the scale of the map doesn't accurately represent the scale of the game. As in, small map big game.
Might be lies but it might also be true.
>>315326937
mod team paid by bethesda :^)
>>315327036
During that time /r gaming is shitting all over Fallout 4 and /r Fallout is living in their little denial world. It's fun to watch the meltdown.
>>315327003
The map seems to be zoomed at various levels throughout the picture yet the arrow size remains consistent.
>>315319937
>>315320290
So obvious bait, fallout 3 was bigger than nv
>>315326971
>Might be lies but it might also be true.
Don´t forget human fallability and the will to misrepresent observation for agenda and last but not least biased observation.
>>315323701
all of that is true but daggerfall was procedurally generated, which is pretty shit.
>>315327003
>>315327291
I was trying to do what >>315326078
did but I'm having a hard time becuase the Boxes are not scaled the same
>>315327427
>all of that is true
Again, where's the source
>>315319937
PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY FALL FOR THIS B8, GOOD JOB OP
>>315319937
>>315320290
BETHESDA are you even TRYING?!
>>315319937
Yeah
I was gonna post the F4 map in the corner for scale, but making it a single pixel would be far too large.
>>315326078
This is gold.
>Assuming the road thickesses are the exact same in both maps
You have no idea if the road thickness will be the exact same.
You in high school m8?
>>315327869
Considering it's on gamebr-er..Creation! They will probably be the same size.
>>315323701
>map is less than half the size of daggerfall's, a game THEY MADE IN 1996
Yes, and also less than 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 etc. because daggerfall was about as big as great britain, which is about 60 times the size of the entirety of massachusetts.
No game that is fully handcrafted will ever be the size of daggerfall for a long, long, fucking long time.
>>315327756
I've always heard most of this map was empty space.
Y/N?
>>315323030
>>315323246
>wow, look how much bigger it is!
>1/3rd of it is just going to be unaccessible water
lol
>>315321907
>they reference Mike's Pastries as a building in the game
>mfw more god damn tourists shitting up Hannover
FO4's map looks like it's going to end up being about the same size as 3 because a third of the map is fucking water, unless there's a new underwater civilization near boston or some shit
>>315326078
God I hate how there is nothing on the legion side of the map.
>>315328091
it's procedurally generated, even the dungeons, so miles and miles of bumfucking nothing, but it's a dungeon crawler at its heart
>>315328158
>unaccessible
I doubt it. I bet you can explore underwater.
![That+s+the+best+discription+of+elfenlied+i+ve+ever+read+_942a51a0aa19d18515c62ce43062a19b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JZHbq5D.jpg "That+s+the+best+discription+of+elfenlied+i+ve+ever+read+_942a51a0aa19d18515c62ce43062a19b[1].jpg")
>>315324662
>>315328091
Yes. Just try the game out yourself: It sucks pretty badly in a lot of ways.
>>315328091
>Huge fucking bay in the middle
Gee I dunno. Maybe it's mostly empty space. It's a larger scale than anything this generation can do, simply because it's not an actual "world", like the map on a classic Fallout game. You're just a dot that moves from place to place.
>>315323701
>NO dragon shouts
Why the fuck does Bethesda keep removing features?!
>>315328326
>I told Geralt to get all of the smuggler's caches, he actually did it the absolute madman!
>>315325796
What do you get out of defending garbage?
>>315328326
fair point, so 1/3 will be even more empty than the emptiest strech of land from fallout 3, a game which shined in that regard.
>>315327996
Road map lines are made thick enough so you can see them from this very far away view.
There is a chance they are the same, but there is also the chance that the road lines are scaled bigger because the scale of the map is different.
>>315327869
Intersections where four highways meet should cover roughly the same area. Compare the example in the bottom left of the NV map to the one almost due north-west of that on the FO4 map. They're pretty similar, if anything the NV map should be zoomed in even more, meaning the FO4 map is even smaller than it seems.
>>315328158
> Unaccessible water
I'm pretty sure they added in a perk to breathe underwater and not worry about radiation for a reason.
>>315328506
What the fuck are you talking about? Fallout 4 had been stripped down from Fallout 3 and NV. Why can't you just accept that?
>>315327869
>You have no idea if the road thickness will be the exact same
Road measurements are somewhat uniform, because they all need to accomodate the same cars.
the most common road is the 2 way road, going from there is pretty safe to do.
>>315328687
What
That is definitely not true. You keep assuming things that you cannot assume.
> Fallout 4 looking so good, skeptics are having trouble forming arguments
>>315328091
Y
People here obsess over map sizes, but always forget (or choose to ignore for the sake of shitposting) that content is more important.
>>315328717
You could get a rebreather in New Vegas, so odds are you will find a similar item in this game.
>>315325796
you're just shilling now
>no real difference
what's the real difference whether or not we want more than 23 guns? we just want more guns. not 1 billion, but certainly more than just 2 dozen.
character customization will be ass for most players. not me, because i always went for the dark hair handsome charismatic guy anyway, and he has matching VO now. ok.
>why does it have to be a fucking fashion show
it doesn't. it just needs to be better. 7 sets of armor is not much, admit it.
>beth didn't lie here
just by putting it in the e3 demo it hyped people up, making them think there's more to it. it's like, if beth shows the ending cutscene at e3 in its entirety and players then get the game and expect more, it's like, "LEL BETH DIDN'T LIE" you're missing the point.
>"not interesting" is an opinion, not a fact
sorry bruh, it's fact now. fucking absolutely 0 flavor text in conversations, which was ONE OF THE MAIN PILLARS OF THE SERIES. i bet fallout 5 will be set in pre apocalyptic europe
>it's fine. a little garish, but we'll live
it's not fine. we won't live. why expect so little from a brand as beloved as this? are you seriously satisfied with what they made? geez, let the mods roll to overhaul 90% of the game.
>nukes killed them
are you trolling now
>>315329123
It's a perk now
>>315329060
>Fallout 4 will have different sized intersections
Fuck off Bethdrone
>>315329035
LOL
So you're saying this small little lines are exactly acurate to road width?
>Bethesda does open worlds for decades
>suddenly industry chooses to copy them
>Bethesda has already moved on to smaller, more compact worlds with more content
>meanwhile all the recent "massive open world" games have been blunders
Todd is a genius, truly the Steve Jobs of the video game industry.
>>315328242
didn't they say there's a place in the ocean or by water called the radiated sea or some bullshit.
I remember a /v/Irgin on here jokingly said they'd do some rapture type shit with a powerplant on the bottom of the lakebed
hoping there's something like that
>>315329060
>You keep assuming things that you cannot assume.
>Fallout 4 looking so good, skeptics are having trouble forming arguments
>>315329327
Y: baka desu senpai
>>315329203
>Quoting something that was never even mentioned
We are talking about map scale not anything to do with actual map design
>>315329130
23 weapons mods, not weapons dumbass.
>>315329369
Nah, I believe its a particually irradiated area of land which radiation filled wind streams cause BLOWOUT SOON FELLOW STALKER weather effects
>>315329369
yeah there's a flooded vault that alludes to rapture and even has a andrew ryan style overseer.
>>315323701
>people responded seriously to this
this is the real one
>>315320290
is there an image of this with an overlay of actual reachable area?
>>315323098
>my point was that bethesda used to make gigantic worlds with nothing in it
and now they make small world, with the same ratio of nothing in it. Just look at the screenshots, if you aren't in the middle of the story event, it's literally empty. Not even mostners in teh ghost town, not a single radscorpion in the wild if it's not a point of interest. All they have to show is that fucking blue car model and houses you can't enter.
>>315329679
Reminder that the burnout map is total bullshit.
>>315329679
isn't lineage 2 fucking gigantic? I remember being forced to autorun in straight lines for hours to reach a point to another.
>>315329679
>Burnout map is larger than vanilla WoW's
I'm finding this hard to believe
>>315329553
i was simplifying language, i know it's about the gun mods. also, from what i remember from the e3 presentation, didn't todd say there were 50 base weapons? does that seem like much to you? NV had like 10-20 in each category
>>315329639
your reply calls itself into question.
>>315330138
I wouldn't be surprised if they made each street several kilometers long in comparision so you don't cross everything in 30 at the actual speed of your vehicle.
Todd truly is the man that sold the world.
>>315322532
there are literally quadrants to line up. Fallout 4's map is 2.25 times larger than fallout 3's. 18x18 compared to 27x27
>>315329586
forgot about the windstorms
Has anything leaked on the different environments ?
Hoping for bogs/swamp/marshland type stuff
>>315329605
that'd be cool, hoping its done right but ehh dialogue seems to slackk
>takes image of map
>uses basic paint skills
>shrink it
>paste it over Fallout 3 map
>GUYS LOOK HOW SMALL IT IS LOOK AT MY NEW MEME XDXD
And you all actually bought into it too.
The actual world is the same size as Skyrims but without the mountains. Skyrim's map was larger then Fallout 3s.
Are you all really so gullible as to trust an image that a 12 year old child could make in paint?
>>315322267
yes, god. tthank you. In case any of you have forgotten how much of fallout 3 is forced instancing and undeveloped city, please feel free to go play that trash again.
>>315330695
>And you all actually bought into it too.
Not even.
>>315329679
>Nightfall
That's some bullshit. Coming from someone who got Cartographer.
>>315330893
Alright, they don't buy into it and they all agree with it for memes sake. Same difference.
>>315319937
Porn mods will make it all worth it
>>315327869
It's literally the only thing people have to go off in terms of scale, of course the maps will be compared with that as a reference point.
>>315331041
Still wrong.
>>315323701
This isn't a metal gear solid 5 thread you dumb fuck
>TESVI releases
>the game literally plays itself
I mean, what else can they "streamline" at this point?
>>315328268
It was originally planned that there was going to be a "Legion side" of the map, but it was cancelled due to time constraints.
Such a shame as well, since the intention was to show you how life in the Legion actually looked like, rather than just the military side of things we eventually saw in NV.
We would have seen that there are almost no gangs or raiders in Legion territory, people are safe, have access to food and water, and there is no corrupt, bloated bureaucracy.
Everything would have been highly efficient, but we would also have seen the brutality involved (slave ownership, harsh punishments for breaking the law, moral policing).
We would have gotten a proper view of both the New California Republic and Caesar's Legion, both the good and the bad.
Instead the Legion come off as the obvious "bad guys" and the NCR look like the "good guys" until you start to look deeper into them.
>>315324812
Every Bethesda game map sizes after Daggerfall added up together is still less than half the size of it.
>>315323030
>>315328158
>>315328717
Wow, I think this game might be pretty sick after all.
All this could really add another layer to the game.
>>315331806
careful anon, you might get their autism going.
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tGFvkhE.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>315331806
remember how much I added to my game?
>>315324812
Nigger, you do realize that Daggerfall's map is literally the size of Britain, right? The entire map was randomly-generated shit aside from key areas.
>>315331007
it's probably just the nightfal expansion size, not the full game. And it got bigger latter with Gwen.
minecraft shits all over that futile dick size contest.
>>315325852
Each single meter of The Witcher 3 was well looked after. Every time I walked from one area to another, even though I already did the same road other times, I'd always find more interesting content.
I can't fucking play open world MMOs anymore because TW3 spoiled me, fuck. It was just too full of carefully planned content.
>>315325796
>This is fine. Why does every game have to be Borderlands with 1 billion combinations, 90% of which make no real difference?
Fallout 4 is literally Borderlands with less guns.
Defend legendary weapons in Fallout.
Go ahead.
>>315328418
It is an actual world though, you can walk across it if you so wished but nobody ever uses walking as a form of transportation anyways because fast travel exists
>>315332508
>defend unique, interesting hand placed content amidst a sea of random garbage
Not that hard.
>>315323382
Welcome to Neo-V.
>>315319937
What are the dots for?
>>315320290
>>315319937
>>315332957
Why is this allowed in the year 2015
>>315332957
this is out of control
>>315329346
>Bethesda has already moved on to smaller, more compact worlds with more content
Is that why the Capital Wasteland and Skyrim are mostly empty?
There is literally nothing between towns and other points of interest.
>>315323252
It's not even the size that made it boring. Large parts of it consisted of just dull desert with nothing on it. It only confirmed what I'd been already convinced of. Desert setting in an rpg is always boring.
>>315332957
What were you thinking Todd?
>>315332957
>Bethesdrones will defend this
>>315334264
Todd you dumbass! What were you thinking?
>>315334264
>not showing the Fallout 4 map on the map in the upper corner
One job.
>>315334441
Is that better anon?
>>315334264
>>315332957
>>315319937
>>315320479
Can't samefag any harder. You didn't even wait long, you basically made the thread and then immediately posted.
>>315332957
Reminder that Counter Strike came out 18 YEARS AGO. There's no excuse for a 2015 game to be smaller.
>>315334690
>>315334841
Wow, I'm glad I didn't pre-order this garbage.
>>315329201
Just because it is a perk, doesn't mean there won't be an item that does a similar function but probably has some sort of down side.
AHAHAHAHA
BETHESDA IS FINISHED THEY'LL HAVE TO CLOSE THEIR DOORS
>>315334690
Yes
>>315334690
You absolute madman
>>315334962
>expecting a shitposter not to be a faggot
nigga do you even 4chan
>>315334690
Fucking 5 star post
>>315323701
>meme gun crafting only has 23 possible combinations
How is that possible? Wasn't there more than that shown in the E3 trailer alone?
>>315334690
You HAD one job
>>315335849
His was better, git gud.
>>315329868
>>315335849
I don't think you noticed what he did anon. The map of Fallout 4 is indeed in the Zelda map screen.
>>315335615
>2015
>still believing Todd's lies
you should know better by now
THESE FUCKING CONNECTION ERRORS
HIROSHIMOOOOOOOOOT
>>315319937
Just a month ago /v/ shit the bed due to MGSV's barren map designs. Bigger isn't necessarily better. I don't even like how fallout 4 is shaping up to be but at least criticize things uniformly...I'm guessing there's no way to even confirm if the OP image is true
>>315323252
Actual Las Vegas isn't that big though.
>>315333704 Just like the actual LV.
>>315332068
>he didn't explore shipwrecks and buried structures
>he didn't ram whales
One time I spent 40 minutes trying to kill a whale with a knife. I did.
That was baller as fuck, desu, senpai.
>>315336559
it gives me autistic rage that i saw a thousand threads shitting on mgsv's "open world". it's not open world, they never said it would be open world. it has a large open map. that doesnt mean it's an open world game
anyway it's hilarious that they could've put 10000 tiny things scattered in the map and people would exalt it as the richest open world game ever
I hope Boston gets bombed again for this game.
>>315332957
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>>315335897
>>315329679
funny how theres a correlation between the larger the maps and the fucking nose dive in actual overall game quality
>>315330014
>Reminder that the burnout map is total bullshit.
Trying to compare world scales in games in itself is total bullshit.
