>Bloodborne doesn't try to advertise the game based on "you will die a million times! this is le hardest game ever made!"
>suddenly, becomes best game in the franchise
Discuss.
DeS was the same way, and better for it.
Only DS2 did that because the B Team has no idea what made the others special beyond MUH DIFFICULTY
>>315311762
>Discuss
It's your opinion, anon. You want us to discuss about that?
After putting around 70 hours into BB, I started playing DaS again. I honestly can't tell you what the better game is. BB has great combat and overall feel. DaS has great secrets and cool movesets.
I think LP'ers like PewDiePie started the 'million death' memes, and the company just accepted it and build DaS2 around it.
Where did the whole "souls games are the hardest ever" meme come from anyway? Was it just made up by Bamco to hype up DaS or did people legitimately think it was the hardest game in existence?
>>315311998
Someone didnt watch the first DaS1 trailers.
>>315311998
>Prepare to die edition
>>315312128
Probably both, Bamco are fucking idiots.
also the most forgotten
but i guess replayability was just an added bonus of souls, i got 50+ hours out of bloodborne and am happy with it
dark souls 3 will be better
>>315312141
That was only by a tiny amount. And was primarily pushed by Namco and if Miyazaki had his own way he wouldn't advertise the difficulty as a stage point for the game. With DaS2 it was pushed by both namco and the B-Teams two incompetent directors.
>>315311762
>>315311863
>>315311998
Devs =/= Marketing team
The "B team" had nothing to do with marketing aspect, even though they did add some things that were meant to "increase difficulty" even though all they amounted to was higher enemy damage and giving random poise to armorless enemies.
>Bloodborne isn't released on Xbox or PC
>Quality of the Community dramatically improves
>>315311762
I liked Bloodborne because it was closer to Demons Souls. Dark Souls made the gameplay slow..
Reminder that there's MLGS in TOH.
>bought das2 on release
>played totally blind
>le epic ogre Cyclops that one shots you in the tutorial area
>Achievement Unlocked: THIS IS DARK SOULS GET IT U DIED TO ONE HIT KILL MECHANICS XD
I don't know why I still expected it to be good after that.
>>315312368
This has always been the case
It says Prepare to Die because your characters are undead in those games... morons...
>>315312542
>not fisting that Ogre first try like a real man
>>315312580
Fuck off... homo...
>>315312128
Do people just not remember the introduction of death as a gameplay mechanic? It wasn't about being hard but the whole "no saving, if you fuck up you're fucked up" thing was actually pretty essential to the marketing of the first two games.
Of course everyone associates dying a lot with hard so that's where the hard meme came from.
>>315312468
>Dapper cape
Noice
>>315312368
>Bloodborne is PS4 exclusive
>katanafag weeaboo edgelords everywhere online
Hmm..
>>315312368
This is honestly true. DaS discussion amounted to
>Kek artificial difficulty
>Blamco fans BTFO
>Souls, good. Pick one
>muh giantdad
>BASS CANON
>Sun fags GTFO
and so on and so on.
Back when it was only Demon Souls, and now Bloodborne (with the occasional >sonyfags shitposters), there is actual discussion of lore, tactics, aesthetics, secrets, etc. It isn't perfect, but it is much better.
DaS > DeS > SotFS > BB > DaS2
>>315312368
You mean "HAHA NEVER EVER LE PUCKS LEL LEL PS4 WINS ALL YEARS EVERY YEAR!"
>>315312897
Bloodtinge ain't nothing to fuck with.
DeS > DaS = BB > SotFS > DaS2
>>315313054
Let's be honest, the main reason for that is because of console wars. Of course a game on one console/pc is gonna have less shitposting, since there's no competition. Sonyfags are just as guilty of that as anyone else.
>>315313073
>implying PC wasn't just trolling other PC
>>315313073
>any version of DaS2
>better than Bloodborne
You ain't fooling anyone, PKek.
>>315311762
The director of Bloodborne is different than the director of Dark Souls 2. There, Miyazaki really makes better games than whoever the retard that was directing the shit that ended up being Dark Souls 2.
Is the DLC gonna add a mace flail finally?
>>315311998
Nothing makes them special beyond MUH DIFFICULTY anyway and thats how the fans act too
>>315313476
Sorry that I don't subscribe to the "dark souls 2 is the absolute worst game ever made!" meme. BB was good but it's biggest problem was that there wasn't much of an incentive to replay, due to the lack of customization options by comparison.
>>315312897
It's not the community's fault that katanas are once again the best weapon in the game
>>315313678
At least is has Chalice Dungeons. I know people aren't that excited about them, but I love having an endgame. It's what still keeps me playing.
>>315313571
DaS2 suffered during development because they switched game directors twice and one of those times they scrapped pretty much the whole game and started over. If they just let Miyazaki do BB and DaS2 like he's doing now for DaS3 and TOH we would've been better off
>>315311762
I like its atomsphere, but I can't find a reason to go back to it after the first playthrough. Overall I probably had more fun with DaS2 than I did with BB. They real fucked it up with the small amount of weapons and armors.
DeS>DaS>DaS2=BB
>>315312334
>5 mins into DaS2
>one of those witches sitting at the table saying "You will die over, and over, and over again" while laughing
Sounds to me like the devs are laughing at the players and going "THIS IS SO CUHRAYZEE HARD, PREPARE TO DIE"
>>315313678
It's not a bad game, but it's in no way better than Bloodborne. Only a PKek would think that. Notice how I didn't quote DaS or DeS, because preferring those over Bloodborne is understandable depending on your taste.
>>315313678
>there wasn't much of an incentive to replay
Compared to what, DS2 which allowed you infinite leveling and in fact PUNISHED you for not leveling as you was invaded by SL387 haveljesters while being on SL100?
I did roughly 3 characters in DS2 because the game was worthless for replaying, making builds was penalized till the time agape ring was introduced and even after largest chunk of playerbase ignored it on top of that thing being a half-assed attempt to fix SM.
At the same time i have 8 specialized characters in bloodborne and they feel like builds because i'm stopping at BL70-140.
>>315313921
That part and getting an achievement for your first death made me realize that something was off.
>>315313887
We're getting more weapons, calm your tits, and unlike dark souls reskins, BB's weapons have their own moves.
I do want more armors. Fashion or bust.
>PeaCocks cannot play Bloodborne
>suddenly, becomes best game in the franchise
Discuss.
>>315313887
I love it when people who have never played Bloodborne criticizes it
>15 weapons, without counting tricked mode
>a lot of different armor sets
So just because it didn't have 15 different scimitars and 15 different long swords means it has no variety?
>>315312128
by normalfags who bought Dark Souls because it kept getting compared to Skyrim by every review site and webcomic artist.
The threads in DeS and early DaS were all talking about fair but difficult.
>>315314071
It's funny that people say "it's not a bad game" and yet most of the time can't say a single positive thing about it without going on about how much they hated everything about it.
Regardless, I said DaS2 wasn't as good. SotFS makes just enough improvements though. But how dare anyone have even a remotely positive opinion of it.
>>315314085
I never really had that problem. Yeah I got invaded sometimes but it wasn't usually such a big deal as all of that. Also might help that I could just make a backup save and reload that if I felt my SL was too high pre-agape. Also the builds felt more different compared to BB's.
>>315314183
Won't call it the best but it's on the same level as DaS. If the Old Hunter adds a load of content it may be my favorite game.
Does the DLC has PvP area? And a place to reset your skills?
>>315314658
>Also the builds felt more different compared to BB
I could agree with you if we were talking about DS1 which had a working midroll and fastroll.
DS2 nerfed most viable playstyles to shit, right now i rate it even lower than BB in terms of builds thanks to this and SM.
>>315314346
>oohhh look guys this weapon has an alternate attack!
>doesn't realize so did every weapon in previous 3 games
>>315313054
I know this is le /v/ and talking about reddit is for h0m0s lawl but /r/bloodborne is a pretty sweet place to talk about all those things.
>>315315125
Having the ability to wield weapons in either hand and powerstance, and 2hand them add way more variety to the combat-which are builds' purpose.
I still prefer DaS over BB, but I admit that I fucking love that I finally have a useful whip weapon, and its a bitching cane that turns into a sword/whip
Overall for me it's
DaS>DeS=BB>DaS2
No I don't consider DaS2 a bad game they are all good games for me. I just couldn't get into DaS2 mood/atmosphere that much, though i ahve yet to try SotFS
>>315315125
I'm not talking what is considered 'viable' for PvP. I mean in total.
>>315315125
Everything about this webm is beautiful
MLB should mean more people get into Arcane, hopefully
>>315315217
>an alternate attack
>attack
More like moveset you idiot. Switching modes in a weapon changes it's whole moveset also there are moves dedicated only to switching the weapon mid swing on top of it.
>>315314346
played it
beat it
didn't like it as much as the others
I'm sorry that any criticism towards BB makes you spaz out
>>315313282
Trash contrarian faggot taste
I suggest you replay DeS
>>315313282
DeS = BB > DaS > DaS2
>>315315315
>wield weapons in either hand and powerstance
Worthless.
Left hand weapon gets ~15% damage debuff which isn't reflected by status screen.
And you can't combo r1 into l1/2 which makes almost all powerstance moves garbage.
> 2hand them
Compared to having two fucking separate weapon modes with different features and sometimes even scaling that is present in bb?
Demons Souls, Dark Souls, and SOTFS are all better than Bloodborne
>>315311762
>350 hours in Demon's, four full build characters
>180 in DS, two and a half full build chars
>100 hours in DS2, DLCs included, , one and a half characters
>60 in BB, one character
I don't like where this is going
Might make a newChikagebuild character for the DLC though
>>315315125
>arc is useless
Looks like twitch was wrong yet again
>>315315540
I have.
DeS has much better level design in general and doesn't drop the ball half way through compared to DaS.
>>315312542
>He got killed by that ogre
Git gud or die tryin'
>>315315696
Bet they never leveled it up to 70 or 90 so as well.
Arcane tools have no scaling softcap and hit like a fucking truck on high arc.
>>315315714
DeS has one decently designed area, has the most poorly balanced magic in the series, tons of pointless and superfluous weapon upgrade paths, janky as fuck animations, and is one of the buggiest games From has ever managed to put out
I like DeS, but I have no idea why people tote it as the best in the series
>>315314346
BB had about 20 sets, not counting shit that's pretty much identical but with a cape. DaS2 had around 80 without the DLC.
>>315315324
SotfS doesn't improve anything at all in either regard. All it does is brighten some things to a stupid degree and make you use a torch in the gutter.
Oh, and it applies this shitty mist effect to the Dragon Aerie that DS2 fans busted many a nut over. But that's about it regarding the atmosphere.
>>315312468
>Arcane paper
muh memespear!
>>315316141
But how much of those sets are actually worth wearing?
>tfw you never beat BB because you weren't good enough to beat Ebrietas and were too stubborn to move on and skip the optional content
I'll just watch the true ending on youtube!
>>315316141
>DaS2 had around 80 without the DLC.
Probably one of the most amazing things about DS2's failure is that this is actually completely true (it's actually closer to 90), yet no one gives a shit because of how many of these sets are ugly as sin.
>>315311762
Good shit about bloodborne is it's not shield reliant
I felt like in DeS Dks & (not so much) Dks2 when starting up you felt like without a shield you were fucked and most o' the time you made the game rely on your shield.
The whole thing made them clunky
In Ds2 some perma roll dex builds were viable from the start & it already felt better
Bloodborne was the next step & Dks3 is already going on the same path which is ideal
>>315316157
So none of the new enemy/item placement or behaviors matter? Cause I think those added quite a bit to it.
>Mfw Micolash boss fight
It's not even hard, just incredibly annoying and the Oompaloompas in the stairs are more fucking dangerous than anything before
>>315316121
>DeS has one decently designed area
I enjoyed every area in DeS, aside from maybe Stonefang but that's mostly for aesthetics
I sometimes hate replaying the other games in the series because there's a point where the games drop in quality and it no longer becomes fun to play
>after Anor Londo
>after Shadows of Yharnam
>after the Lost Bastille
Sure, some thing needed streamlining and fixing, and some of it was, but I still prefer DeS.
>>315316552
At least his speech is interesting the first time.
>>315315635
Tricked weapon mode is just simply wielding a weapon 2handed.
Sure there are weapons that don't change too much in DS2 when you 2hand them but there are a ton that certainly do.
I don't even know why I'm bothering explaining this to you. If you actually played both games you wouldn't claim bloodborne has more variety.
I'll admit that bloodborne has more variety than some people would claim since there are alot of different attacks for weapons depending on what you are chaining them off of.
>>315316706
>Tricked weapon mode is just simply wielding a weapon 2handed.
Confirmed for never playing in BB.
>>315316706
>is just simply wielding a weapon 2handed
kek
I feel like the difficulty is more fair hetre in BB, I have so far soloe'd everything in the game without problems, just like in DeS and DaS (except for Bulk and Skull)
Something I couldn't do in DaS2 for some reason, everything was too unfair
>>315314163
almost every weapon in DaS had a unique moveset, with the exception of obvious ones like some greathammers and spears
2 was the one that had every weapon type have pretty much the exact same
>>315316921
>without problems
And by this I mean without the need of summoning anyone, not that it was easy, fuck Vicar Amelia and ROM they made me hate life itself
>>315316240
>>315316463
You could argue that some of BB's aren't really worth wearing/are pretty ugly as well. I'm just putting down numbers. Fashion Souls and all.
>>315316482
I liked using a shield though. There aren't actually that many games where you need to rely so heavily on blocking; usually rolling/dodging is more effective unless you count shit like timed blocks.
Also BB sorta offset that by making dodges use considerably less stamina.
>>315316482
DaS 3 has no shields?
>>315316615
Honestly the Duke's Archives, Darkroot Basin, Painted World, Ash Lake, and New Londo ruins were some of my favorite areas in DaS, and those are all post Anor Londo. Really the only shitty areas are Lost Izalith and the Crystal Cave. Not to mention everything in Artorias of the Abyss was great
I never really got why everyone hated the second half of the game
>>315317045
>2 was the one that had every weapon type have pretty much the exact same
Not only inside one weapon type. They actually reused some animations BETWEEN weapon types and even on boss weapons.
>>315316180
>memespear
Huh?
Either way, the animation for applying paper to Ludwig's is to flick the sword downwards at your hip.
But Bloodborne is the hardest game in the franchise?
>>315313887
>fucked it up wrt weapons and armor
>in comparison to DaS2
OH BOY I SURE LOVE COPYPASTED MOVESETS
HERE'S A GREATSWORD
AND ANOTHER GREATSWORD
AND ANOTHER GREATSWORD
AND ANOTHER GREATSWORD
AND ANOTHER GREATSWORD
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
TRICK QUESTION!!! THEY'RE PALLETE SWAPS!
I SURE DO ENJOY EVERY WEAPON IN A CLASS HAVING THE EXACT SAME MOVESET WITH SLIGHTLY TWEAKED STATS
SUCH VARIETY WOW
>>315312542
But Demons Souls did the same fucking thing.
>>315317609
That's the thing. Sure, it's nice to have lots of variety, but there really wasn't much. 99% of the items were USELESS in the game. They were trash.
I'd much rather have 5 useful weapons that I WILL use than 45 useless weapons and five useful ones.
>Playing chalice dungeons because fuck it
>Farming for flat arcane gems
>pickup one, +67 flat arcane
Noice
>Realise somehow it dropped the gem as a fucking CIRCULAR gem instead of a radial
WHAT THE F
>Put it in blunderbuss
>Literally doubled it's damage
Holy FUCK, I didn't know this was a thing? Is there like some random chance a gem will give you a different shape?
>>315317437
Saw spear. And who knows, maybe it's a new spell animation or even the REAL Ludwig's Holy Blade.
>>315317782
Except there was no trophy for dying and it happens to bring you to the nexus and advance the story.
Dumb question, but what are chalice dungeons? I've just started playing and I feel like I'm a bit into it, but I haven't heard a thing about them yet. I hear people talk about them all the time
>>315312468
>Ned Kelly helmet
MY FUCKING DICK MY ACTUAL FUCKING DICK
BUSHRANGER BUILD IS GO
>>315317072
DaS2 can also be solo'd easily. it's just that since they copy pasted too many bosses to increase difficulty it felt cheap.
>>315317856
They really aren't though unless you are going by PVP meta.I haven't played either game in a while now, pray tell the truthfully.
>>315317856
I used more than 15 weapons In DaSII though which is what the BB shitposters like >>315317609 ignore. Sure there was a lot of copypasted shit, but even if you remove all the duplicates there was still more variety.
>>315317936
>weapon is called 月光の聖剣 right on the picture
>m-maybe it's a new spell!
It's not the best in the franchise though.
>>315317208
Dooks was alright.
Ashlake and Painted world are optional and can be done before the second half of the game
Wasn't really a fan of the enemies in New Londo
I hated Crystal Caves, Demon Ruins, Lost Izaltih, and the Tomb of the Giants. Those all felt incredibly lazy and their bosses weren't too good either
>>315318163
They're weird to figure out at first, but basically they're diablo 2 esque random dungeons with loot.
You basically do chalice dungeons to find interesting and powerful bloodgems. Theres a weapon exclusive to the dungeons too that you find, and also a couple armour sets.
>>315318315
What do the moon runes say, oh master?
>>315311762
>BB best game in the franchise
So what is it sonyggers. Is BB a souls game or not? That's a pretty big jump to best. I would say DaS is better by far because of how replayable it is, but I know you guys bought your ps4 just for this game so bragging about it is a must so carry on.
>>315312468
>Dapper Tarkus
>MGS
>Also, that bow from the trailers
I can't fucking wait.
>>315318425
google it and look at the fucking pictures
Focusing on difficulty always brings out the spergiest opinions. It's always either
>OMG SO HARD I DIED SO MANY TIMES HARDEST GAEM EVAR
or
>HAHA GIT GUD SCRUB I COMPLETED IT WITH MY EYES CLOSED USING ONLY MY DICK
>>315312468
That looks like the Dark Souls 1 buff animation, but in Bloodborne you're supposed to buff quickly?
Could the moonlight gs be self buffable? Or is this a new type of arcane paper that takes longer to apply or something?
Hard to understand this image.
>>315318640
Top is /v/
Botton is /vg/
>>315318310
For what it's worth, the upcoming DLC will change this. It's adding 10 trick weapons
>>315318447
>Is BB a souls game or not
It has MLGS now so yes.
The multiplayer is fucking garbage in bloodborne. There is no longevity compared to other souls games. You can make 20x the different builds in DaS and DeS but in BB you are limited to the few trick weapons there are and build varieties are meh at best.
The password co op was nice if you wanted to play a friend and thank god they didnt go with soul memory again but they still had server issues (at launch and a few months ago when I tried) would take 5 minutes for our bells to resonate.
Also they took a step back from NG+ comntent compared to DaSII, its fucking awful in BB.
>>315316523
They really don't have much to do with the atmosphere, but the enemy placements don't make anywhere near as positive an impact on the world as fans make them out to be. There were decent placements in the Crypt, at the Dragon Shrine (speaking of new behaviors, theirs definitely counts positively towards the world design) and adding Heide Knights to the tower made sense (though their behavior doesn't really), but then you have stupid shit like the horse in the castle, the assassin in the Earthen Peak, an extra dozen miners/Alonne knights/spiders/manikins that are just there to drag out your playtime, and a couple of damage sponge black phantoms that are just there for the sake of being there to offset them.
Fans were waving around how Pursuer actually 'pursues' you through a couple extra areas, which would've been a nice touch had those positions not been as brainless as they are. Especially in the Bastille. The first one you can circumvent immediately by just going up a ladder, and the second one will just despawn if you don't jump back across a gap within 5 seconds.
>>315318675
It's probably just like the Tonitrus. Using L2 will buff it.
>>315318736
>5 minutes for our bells to resonate.
It still happens
>>315318731
Weapon on the picture is literally named as Gekkou no Seiken which is Holy Sword of Moonlight.
Ludwig has it on his back in longsword mode, it will probably transform into magical greatsword while tricking.
>>315311762
>Best game in the franchise
>There's only one game in said franchise
lel
>>315312468
This isn't the moonlight greatsword, retards, but that is a new greatsword.
It's a new buff item called Moonlight Essence. It requires 40 ARC to use and uses bullets. It gives hyper arcane damage scaling, but actually does physical damage. Supposed to be very similar to Curse Weapon from Demon's Souls, but without the HP drain.
>>315318760
>the Pursuer's locations in the Bastille sucked
Maybe if you already knew where he'd spawn. Going in blind was fucking great. I didn't know where he'd show up, so the tension was definitely there
>>315319094
>月光の聖剣
Go spread misinformation in another place.
>>315318850
>Ludwig/Kirkhammer's silver longsword
>buff uses QS to cover it in trademark MGS "Glass"
>heavy attack casts ranged vertical slash attack, dispelling effect
>charged heavy casts horizontal
Fund it.
>>315311762
>not made for 12yo tryhards
>game is actually good
what a surprise
>>315319350
The magazine is saying that you can "achieve" the moonlight greatsword in spirit by using the buff on the holy blade, retard.
As I said, it's not actually a weapon. It's a buff item with it's own buff animation that is identical to buffing in Dark Souls.
>>315316121
>has the most poorly balanced magic in the series
His taste is shit, but DaS has by far and large the most broken magic in the entire series.
2 - 3 beads off a Dark Bead can literally one shot you with 40 VIT and favour ring on.
>>315315691
or could it be that you are becoming better at the game mechanics and you clear them faster & have seen the same shit already they offer??
>>315317208
>Darkroot Basin
Who the fuck does Darkroot AFTER that?
I always counted that as before Anor Londo.
>>315319834
It's impossible to read anything on that picture aside from the name of weapon.
It also has a different handle, the same handle that was present on Ludwig's back in cutscene.
>>315315691
Don't, it makes the game even easier. Chikage build is fucking broken. They fucked up on pvp/NG+ in BB. Chalices not scaling with NG+ and pvp only in few spots is awful.
>>315312214
That was bamcos marketing. With das2 the devs bought into it a bit too much
I really fucking hope From fix their fuckup and include a Dragon Bone Smasher successor in the DLC.
Grave Bone Smasher. Literally a headstone on a stick that you swing around. Complete with delicious roll juggles. Transforms into a stone shield + wooden club.
>>315315315
Powerstancing was absolute trash, what the fuck are you on about? You couldn't even chain it into a combo. At least with trick weapons you can actually R1 or R2 into an L1 trick attack.
Powerstancing felt like the beta mode for trick weapons in all honesty, it was so poorly handled and unimaginative.
>>315320296
>Chikage build is fucking broken
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
you never been in fight clubs if you're saying this
a good quality build can fucking TRADE against chikage and that thing only relies on DPS to do anything
>>315311762
> different franchise
> best
Even if it were the same franchise, calling it better is arguable
>>315315696
Ironically magic actually takes some degree of skill in Bloodborne, unlike Souls.
>>315320486
The point was the total amount of variety, you baby. Keep your attention up.
>>315316460
I'll help you beat her if you'd like bro.
>>315320561
Axe is literally the best weapon.
Anyone starting a new game not using it is pleb teir.
You get the one handed moveset with all the staggers, gives loads of health back, and gives you the flexibility of a 2 handed moveset. It's the complete package.
Saw Cleaver is just one handed light spam only. Cane is the same.
Axe is just delicious. I REALLY hope they make Halberds in Dark Souls 3 basically rip that weapon off.
>>315320561
Yeah, but with the chikage build also comes the evelyn.
I dont think I need to tell you what a bone marrow shot from it can do.
>>315320861
>tfw Threaded Cleaver in 2.5 weeks
>>315320561
>Hitting the enemy with the handle and doing that much damage.
Even Dark Souls 2 did that right and /v/ shits on that game.
What's a decently fun build in BB?
I've already done a quality build, a dex+arcane build, and a bit of a strength+arcane build
>>315320695
Variety is only good when there's quality there too.
DaS2 had fuck tons of weapons, but the fact remains that out of all those dozens of weapons per weapon category, only 2 - 3 were actually viable, the rest were fodder and filler with inferior scaling and movesets and made irrelevant by those 2 - 3 top tier weapons of each category.
>>315320561
>a good quality build can fucking TRADE against chikage
I think you mean a Hunter's Axe can trade against Chikage, since the thing recovers like 3x the HP than any other weapon in the fucking game.
>>315321028
>evelyn
plank shield
>>315321028
Use shields you retard and dodge to the right side of their bodies so they will miss all shots.
>>315321054
you've pretty much done every BB ever besides a bloodtinge
theres not a lot of variety builds
>>315311762
I wish it was good so I didn't have to feel this 450€ buyers remorse.
>>315319335
>Maybe if you already knew where he'd spawn.
The thing is, on my run through SotFS I didn't, and I'm not sure where you'd get any kind of tension from. If he suddenly appeared in the middle of a cramped hallway or something and it was really hard to get around him I could understand. They could've just stuck him with the exploding prisoners in that waterway and it would've been twice as effective as what we got, since that room is both mandatory and reasonably difficult to get through if you're not just rushing past everything.
It was especially stupid in that second case. I went into my menu to get out my bow and by the time I backed out he was already despawning.
>>315312128
It was mostly Bamco. People reviewed Demon's Souls and praised its punishing nature, and how it didn't hold the player's hand. Some people thought it was really, really absurdly difficult, but those people just dropped the game. Then Bamco took the idea of the game's difficulty and marketed with it to the extreme, making the games seem to cheaply revolve around "being difficult", which is just stupid in my opinion. But many people ate that up anyway... So although it's not true, and wasn't the intentions of the developers, "souls game are the hardest ever" is a thought that floats around.
>>315321065
>I think you mean a Hunter's Axe can trade against Chikage
I mean a quality build. Do you have any idea how much a blunt gemmed LHB dishes out? How good BB's transform attacks to hyperarmor through chikage? How saw weapons can outspam that thing and outrange it at the same time?
>>315321028
>tfw quality build with some BT and Evelyn on the side
Oh the look on those little Chikage fucker's faces.
>>315321280
I agree that if they didn't make him despawn he'd be a lot better, in general
>exploding enemies
hands-down worst enemies in the whole fucking series
>SotFS dragon aerie
>walking along
>acid pomf zombie explodes in your face
>RING BROKEN
>RING BROKEN
>RING BROKEN
>HELMET BROKEN
>ARMOR BROKEN
>have to port back to Majula since you can't repair shit a bonfire
It would actually be less annoying if they instakilled you
>>315321195
Do you mean the only shield in the game which looks like crap and is a piece of shit against anything else?
You were one of the mongs that said climax was fine in early DaS2 cause "just roll thru it (^:" weren't you
>>315311762
>Bamco has nothing to do with the game
>????
People saying "there aren't any builds in Bloodborne" are wierd to me.
Bloodgems open up loads of weird shit.
You can go for a high END build, with radiant bloodgems for stamina usage and just have near infinite pressure on the opponent.
You can go base stats, high VIT build using flat gems. You can stack up to +20 healing between gun and weapon and have a very viable healing build.
A build focussed entirely around poison using the wheel.
There's not SHITLOADS but there are still a few interesting things. I'm yet to try going max rally potential possible on a weapon and seeing what it can do.
>>315321426
Logarius would be proud.
>>315319062
do you know what a franchise is?
>>315321559
Climax is absolutely balanced and yes, shield is a legit counter to evelyn spam.
Get good or get out retard.
>>315321559
>He hasn't played The Old Hunters
>>315321620
Isn't the axe already at 100? You can go beyond 100 percent of the damage you output?
Reminder that Amelia is the worst boss in the game.
>>315321559
>Do you mean the only shield in the game which looks like crap and is a piece of shit against anything else?
Go away retard. The shield is really good against guns and BoM.
>>315321768
Nah thats Wet Nurse. What a joke of a boss. Just stay on her back and spam whatever you have. Boss feels unfinished to me.
>>315321768
Well that's funny because she's better than everything in all previous games.
>>315321768
No that's the witch of Hemwick
>>315321768
And?
>>315321768
>I died to amelia because I'm bad
fixed
>>315321715
Yes.
You could potentially stack 3 of the absolute best possible rally % up gems and stick them on it.
Of course your damage on the weapon isn't jacked because you're not using pure phys gems, but I can see it working really well trading someone to death.
I know how surprised I was with the stamina build. stacked max stamina usage down on the stake driver. I literally didn't let them have any breathing room, I could just keep dashing and slashing while they got to a point where all they could do was spam backdash to try and find some object to heal behind.
Also, due to gems having rare chance to drop the wrong shape, you can do strange stuff with gems not fully known or intended.
You can potentially get any gem that exists in any shape. Flat arcane gem as a circular can be put on a shotgun and do massive damage increase.
>>315321768
Paarl is worse.
I really don't like any of the beast bosses.
Das2 is honestly my second favorite game I have ever played I love it and everything about the game it's just so fun to me do others honestly think it's that bad? Sure there are a lot of dumb ass problems with the game but still I always wondered if people actually played it for awhile to try and like it
>>315321768
>he thinks amelia is bad
I don't know how anyone who likes Souls PvP couldn't enjoy this, it's so much more balanced than any Souls imo.
>that pressure to perform well that you feel when fighting someone using the same weapon
So good.
>>315321945
>>315321921
>>315321918
>>315321768
90% of the fights in BB are fucking awful. Logarious, Gehrman, and Gascoigne are the only good ones
>>315322078
>I really don't like any of the beast bosses.
The smaller beasts bosses are great fun. Its the fuck huge ones that suck because once again From Software cant make a proper camera and they place bosses in small rooms with pillars and other obstacles. You try to turn the camera and when an object comes close the fucking thing zooms in.
>>315322176
Damn that looks really fun and smooth I wish it was released on pc or atleast ps3 along with the ps4
>>315322078
Paarl is the one boss that Miyazaki designed and no critique or team fixes or anything were allowed to be done on it. He was "his vision".
Paarl/Loran Darkbeast is objectively the worst boss in the game.
Incredibly hard to hit, moves away from you in an instant, has neverending spam combos after halfway, an AOE attack if you try to do any reasonable damage to him that you have to dash perfectly to avoid, becomes basically a OHKO after halfway.
Loran Darkbeast is just the fucking worst shit in the series. He moves around like Michael J Fox in a runaway bumper car.
>>315322176
I dont like it because healing is too damn easy and hard to punish. Fights last forever.
>>315321665
>le git gud faec
Just because there's a way to mitigate a clearly overpowered tactic doesn't mean it's balanced. In fact, having to dramatically change your playstyle or have to take item X alost specifically just to counter tactic Y is a good indicator that it's too strong.
Face it, bloodborne has the worst pvp in the series, and you only defend it since it's the only exclusive the ps4 has.
>>315311863
>>315311762
T-the non-PC ones were the best! S-sony wins again..
>>315322252
What is wrong with the other bosses?
>>315322394
>waaah i need to change my playstyle a little against certain danger
>>315322147
I've played Dark Souls 2 the second most out of all Souls games, just because of the sheer amount of content the game has. But yes, it's markedly worse than every other game in quality and design.
The fucking random NPC hunters you find in chalices are harder than most bosses.
>>315322176
It's alright but Axe and ludwig sword is beyond broken, the actual pvp is decent, the way they implemented pvp in the game is awful.
I really enjoy DaS3 pvp though from what I played during stress test. So fucking good. Fixed lagstabs, more depth with weapons and spells with magic/battle skills
BB is the least played pvp game I played out of the other games.
>>315322384
>complaining about Paarl
>complainging about his difficulty
Easy as fuck senpai what the hell
>>315322078
Paarl is cancer incarnate
I mean he wouldn't be so bad if you weren't spending the majority of the time fighting the camera
I can only tolerate fighting him later on now when my weapons are strong enough to stunlock him to death
>>315322252
can you give a reason or are they "just bad!!!!"
>>315320667
This is why I love the Executioner Gloves. They're essentially Pursuers from DS1 except you actually have to have a working brain to be effective with them.
I'm in the process of making a 99 arc build right now and I'll finally be able to use them as my main damage dealer.
>>315321559
You've never actually used the plank shield in gunspam pvp before, have you? Reiter + shield is a popular combination.
>Boot up BB because of this thread
>They still haven't given you a refilling Estus Blood Flask and let you sit at lamps to refresh everything
Why the fuck is this allowed. I'm sick to death of my autism of farming for bullets and vials. This shit wasn't fun in des having to constantly buy grass and bullshit.
It's literally a deterrent to playing the game.
They should've given you a max 10 use refilling vial.
>>315311762
Is Bloodborne the only game Playstation 4 owners have? You still see threads about it after months when it's just some shitty 30 hours PvE game with no replay value.
You didn't see ANY Bayonetta 2 threads after a month it was released.
>>315322176
>Dash, gun spam, dash, gun spam
No matter what weapons you use and what builds every PVP fight feels the same. There is also the shitty gems. The player who grind the hardest for those three 30% atk gems will have a big advantage and they can 1 or 2 hit kill you. If you do grind like him then you kill him just as fast.
Its just boring as shit.
>>315311762
I think bloodborne is [Spoiler]fun [Spoiler];_;[/Spoiler][/Spoiler]
>>315317920
Gems have a very small chance of being off shape, I can't remember the actual chance rate but you got something lucky there.
But I want to know how much damage are you getting out of that blunderbuss? tell me.
>>315322313
In all honestly even though I have a PS4 I'd love it on PC with 60fps, shit would be cash as fuck but it's not the end of the world, I don't mind 30fps as much as most PC guys.
>>315322392
It just takes a while to get into it m8, once you get the rythm you can parry heals without much effort, it's all about reading your opponent and generally the tells of when someone is about to try and heal are really obvious.
>>315322808
Eh I just co-op and farmed some blood vials. It's brutal in the beginning, but then you can just farm werewolves for ez vials
>>315322392
>healing is too damn easy and hard to punish
Only for shitters like you.
>>315323023
I don't mind fps either I just don't have a ps4 the only console I really thought I would use still is my ps3 I've had that shit since it came out and I still do use it since it's still pretty good
>>315322808
Send me your ps4 and Bloodborne I would love to play it if you won't>>315322808
>can only pvp in 2 areas
who the fuck thought this was a good idea, and being able to disable pvp by killing a npc
fucking garbage carebears ruined pvp for this game
>>315322939
>ds1: roll, backstab, roll, backstab
>ds2: WoG/climax, ded
>>315323490
Pretty much yeah. Souls games all have terrible pvp. Bloodborne just happens to be the worst of them all.
>>315323479
technically its 3 but eh. Also you could invade cooperators if you want in other areas
>>315323005
132 damage on my blunderbuss.
From a distance it's a nice little chunk of damage, but nothing super crazy.
Point blank it's fucking insanity. Nothing like the arcane rifle spear ever was, but still about half as good. Like 800 on a player point blank, 1.5k+ on enemies
>>315323632
>Bloodborne is the worst of them all
I hope youre talking about matchmaking here because all of the series pvp is fun in the right circumstances
>>315323479
You can actually pvp in every area in the game that lets you ring either bell, including the Hunters Dream. The problem is bell maidens having one restriction too many and the connectivity being shit in general (though it's much more about the latter than the former).
>>315321918
Funny thing is when I was cooping online half of my host dies for some reason.
>>315323730
Dear fuck, does bone marrow ash increase it's damage?
>>315313282
oh fuck me the wound on Yharnam lines up with where MP glomps you
L O R E
>SL150
>Decide what the hell, try summoning at Old Yarnham for some co op
>"X has arrived"
what
>a fucking PURPLE guy shows up
I summoned a fucking invader? Shit was weird. we started fighting and he stopped and then we went through the area together.
Shit was super weird. It was like a co op buddy and friendly fire turned on. He died before I got to the boss gate so I don't know if they can come in with you or not.
Shit was cool as fuck.
>>315314364
Was IGN right for once?
http://www.au.ign.com/articles/2011/09/24/top-five-reasons-dark-souls-will-eat-skyrims-face
>>315324129
Was probably in the Eileen covenant
>>315324129
Sounds like the covenant thing, done it a few times when I had a different covenant rune equipped than a friend.
All the souls' games are good in their own way.I hated DaS2 passionately until my friend convinced me to make a new character play the DLC. It was neat.
>>315324129
I don't have bloodborne but if there are factions maybe it was just something like the dragon remnants
>>315324371
>blacked
is this racism or insecurity?
>>315323993
Yes, but not as major as you'd think, I'm assuming it only works off the BLD portion of the damage, but it's still a decent bump, but I was expecting like 2k damage after I used it, which It wasn't. Evelyn + bone ash is more powerful at a distance, but holy shit.
I didn't even know you could get wrong gem shapes. Been looking it up this past half hour. I feel like I caught a shiny mew or something.
I feel like I've probably got a few odd gems like this but didn't notice at the time, I remember having a triangle drop in an Ihyll once.
>>315324287
Best game? No. It was good. I had fun. I played thru it once, tried to get thru NG+ and was just so fucking bored by the lack of variety. The atmosphere was good but over-used, it just ran out of spooky factor halfway through.
I really don't get the praise for BB. Fun, yeah. Zero replay value which with From, is definitely not a good sign.
>>315324129
The covenants actually conflict with each other so say you have a vileblood rune and the person you summon has an executioner rune then you guys will be enemies, b/c they're enemies in the actual game. Eileen's is the same but different.
>>315324129
Depends on the covenant runes, if you're a vileblood and you summon an executioner he'll be hostile because executioners hate vilebloods.
Hunter of hunters I'm not sure but they be hostile to hosts too.
>>315324603
>>315324595
>>315324287
>>315324276
Well fuck me sideways. I would've thought this would've happened way more often then if it's just opposing runes?
Why have I literally only just had this happen?
>>315324603
>>315324595
I really wish they did more with the covenants then that, I felt like they had the base ideas down for it then later down development just was like eh
felt lazy as shit besides the covenants conflicting, not to mention how far into the game they are
>>315324542
Personally I see it differently. While there are less weapons, I ended up replaying it more than DeS and DaS2 (not DaS1 though because I loved PvP in that) simply because the combat was so fun and I wanted to keep playing.
All the hundreds of weapons in DaS2 couldn't keep me entertained because the combat was so hollow, and it was just after DaS1 so I'd been played out a bit and it didn't offer much new over DaS1.
Different strokes.
>>315324734
Because covenants are a pile of shit in this and there's only 3, and one of them has a rune that shits on the others so everyone just uses it.
>>315324603
Too bad that Covenant runes are total garbage, so nobody ever uses them unless they're specifically trying to proc one of these encounters
>>315324445
It's a /pol/ thing. Of course it's insecurity
DaS1 > DeS >> BB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog shit > DaS2
objectively
>>315325030
>Covenant Runes are garbage
You have a specific slot for covenant runes man.
>>315324595
Exectutioners are SHIT! Vilebloods4lyfe!
>>315325109
>objectively
I still pretty much agree though
>>315313282
Quality of gameplay
DeS = BB > DaS >SotFS > DaSII
Quantity of gameplay
SotFS > DaSII >DaS > DeS > BB
Personally though, in terms of overall enjoyment, my power ranking goes
DaS = DeS > BB >> SotFS > DaSII
>>315312368
Nobody on Xbox talked about the game
Everyone was too busy playing reach
>Ah, tu etais a mes cotes, depuis toujours.
>Ah, you were at my side, always.
This is what Ludwig says after you kill him. Do you think he could be talking about the sword? And if any French speakers out there think my translation is wrong, please correct it.
>>315312542
Das2 was my first and I kicked that ogres shit in
>>315325109
I feel like DaS2 did a few things right, NG+ being the big thing.
Things should fucking change when you go into NG+, bosses should have new moves, items, weapons, etc
something to make you want to spice up the NG+
shit was awesome, however it did do a lot of bad things as well, I just hope they add DaS2 NG+ system to 3
>>315325030
I leave Vileblood on all the time so I get free insight consumables from pvp. It's not like having one on is a negative in any way.
>>315325384
>the sword
Silly anon.He's talking about the 'horse' part of rape horse
>>315325449
First time I fought it I got nuthin personneled by it's grab attack
>>315325384
Sounds like lore. I'm going to kill him with my Ludwig's to teach him a lesson.
>>315324445
neither. it's porn
>>315320561
nice gems
>>315325509
It's confirmed Das3 does indeed have Dark Souls 2's NG+ system.
Put me in the camp of Dark Souls 2 being one of my favourites, just because of build variety.
All the wonderful neat and wacky weapon and armour combos was my festish. I just wish the game as a whole was better.
Dark Souls 3 has the potential to be GOAT, as long as they learned from what did and didn't work in each game.
>>315325509
I really dislike BB NG+. This shit could have been so much better if it chalice dungeons scaled with NG+.
Why the fuck did they mess up so bad.
>>315325241
>Quantity of gameplay
BB was longer than DeS for me dafuck. BB clocked in ~50 hours first playthrough for me, while DeS was 30.
And DeS was my first Souls game, bought it back in the import days so I was shit at it too.
>>315325770
>if it chalice dungeons scaled with NG+.
baka desu senpai kek
The thought of that is giving me a fucking aneurysm.
>>315325986
why
>>315325770
You didn't go very far with the chalice dungeons, did you?
>>315326092
Because dying even quicker on Defiled CD's sure sounds like fucking fun.
>>315325770
>FRC Lower Loran with NG+ health and damage scaling
Would that even be winnable?
>>315326139
I did a shitload of chalice dungeons, more than needed for the platinum.
I LOVE DAS 2 GREATHAMMERS
>>315326324
>tfw no PC release to mod in NG+ scaling, just to see what would happen
>>315326324
It would turn the game into DS2 at the very least.
>>315326324
lower loran wasn't even hard, all you have to do is dodge left with abhorrent beast and he was the only challenging boss
I wanna make a wheel build, what do you guys think my Strength/Arcane spread should be? I plan to rely heavily on the buff, but maybe not stack it too hard. Also, is it worth putting health regen bloodgems on to slow the health drain or should I just go full glass cannon?
>>315326675
You can go either mostly arc or full strength for the wheel depending on what other shit you want to use with it. See /bbg/'s OP for more details.
